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This is from a Show called Fact or Faked which aired 2 weeks ago. Their are 3 parts the 1st and 2nd parts are mainly about a ghost in Louisiana.

I'm only going to Post Part 3 as they do a night investigation of Area 51. Two guys at the top of Tikaboo Peak and a small crew at Campfire Hill Simultaneously. Now a little background this show has been highly skeptical in the past so I don't think this is any television magic.

The Team at Campfire Hill has 4 or 5 cameras fixated on the skies above Area 51 While the guy at the Top of Tikaboo has one camera with night vision focused on the base.

Here's the perspectives the location of the 4 Fixed cameras on Area 51 skies below:
(http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff487/earfull2/OMF/Area51-FOFlocation.jpg)

Now here's the Map of both crews positions only 2 people on top of Tikaboo:

(http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff487/earfull2/OMF/Area51-FOF-Location2.jpg)

Below is the Video if you want to watch all of part 3 be my guest but If you want to see the parts that I speak of start at about 6:35 of this video. Whats most important is that you watch it till the very end so you can view all the different camera angles in the situation room at the end.

I think this in incredible I don't want to spoil it watch it for yourself and tell me your thoughts here we go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tTgvlo-8pU
Bigpappy51 8) 8)

Nice video Bigpappy51,

Thanks for sharing. I watched part 3 and was laughing as I watched them film their intro on that card table with the back- lights making them stick out like a sore thumb out in the desert there. Think security might have made them?  ;D 

I think only UFO hunters bested them in naivety by unloading a huge van full of gear in broad daylight out there.

However... that thing they managed to record certainly was going like blue blazes wasn't it? Too bad it didn't pull a nice 90 degree corner for them. That would have ended the meteor speculation.

The craft I saw being tested displayed that same speed with ease. It could go from a dead still hover to that speed instantaneously then come to an instant stop some distance away and hover again. Or pull one or more 90 degree turns while flying that fast, like the stair- step maneuver Gene described to George Knapp during the interview.

I am so jealous of their night vision recording gear. Back in the day (20 years ago) when testing was going on there, you would have had to get a 2nd mortgage on your house to get your hands on one of those.

Nice thought in hindsight, but before you go out there, you don't even know if your going to see anything at all.

yep sure would like to have the night vision stuff..wow..maybe if i win the lottery

and
cracks me up them saying the guy was all by himself over on that hill..yeah..him and the camera crew filming him..he sure didn't film himself..same with the other two...probably at least nine or more bodies out there

and
i have watched this show..and still a bit undecided about it
but
if THEY didn't want that shown..you get my drift here..so just what do you supposed they want us to think?more bread crumbs or are we being led by the nose on this one

don't get me wrong..i know there's stuff out there..i've seen stuff here - more than once...but i also don't believe they would have let that be filmed if they didn't want it to be shown..

hey just my cynical opinion
::)

The guy on Tikaboo peak was with one other camera guy. Now if you remember UFO Hunters or MysteryQuest on the History Channel when they went to the top of Tikaboo peak it was a giant crew of people. On MysteryQuest Glenn Campbell and Peter Merlin were harassed by helicopters and an F-15 flying through Tikaboo valley they were basically saying your not welcomed.

Heres a still of  The Craft notice this is far to low to be a meteor its within the atmosphere:
(http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff487/earfull2/OMF/Area51-FOF-RtoL.jpg)

Also a point of interest the landing lights of the base light up then we see the craft then the lights go out. I think Area-51 is very much alive.
             BigPappy51

Guys I only wish I lived near Nevada so I could see myself. I'm stuck here in south central Pennsylvania. I would love to go out in the desert and just watch the skies to me that sounds like a great time. Also Area 51 watcher I cant wait to see part 2 of your video when you went to Area 51 it has to be awesome. This is a pretty cool sight Zorgon has put together. Im excited to be a part of this site.
BigPappy51

Quote from: Bigpappy51 on November 15, 2011, 07:16:56 PM
Heres a still of  The Craft notice this is far to low to be a meteor its within the atmosphere:

It could be a meteor mate.

Quotemeteor science definition

1.   A bright trail or streak of light that appears in the night sky when a meteoroid enters the Earth's atmosphere. The friction with the air causes the rock to glow with heat. Also called shooting star.
2.    A rocky body that produces such light. Most meteors burn up before reaching the Earth's surface. See Note at solar system.

SOURCE: http://science.yourdictionary.com/meteor

I think the object in the video could be a meteor.  However, the lights all going on does has to get you thinking.  Especially if you don't believe in coincidences. ;)

Quote from: Bigpappy51 on November 15, 2011, 07:22:16 PM
Guys I only wish I lived near Nevada so I could see myself. I'm stuck here in south central Pennsylvania. I would love to go out in the desert and just watch the skies to me that sounds like a great time.

I can't help but share your sentiments.  I fully intend to go there even if it is just so I've seen the place for myself.

In summer I can often be found on the Moors in Derbyshire, England, sky watching but it's too cold up there a lot of the year to be honest.  In fact when I was camping in Lincolnshire I remember seeing some crazy stuff but I think it was weapons testing or training.  There are a lot of RAF bases in Lincolnshire.  I don't think they would test a disk there though as there are too many people.

Quote from: Pimander on November 16, 2011, 12:50:28 AM
I can't help but share your sentiments.  I fully intend to go there even if it is just so I've seen the place for myself.

In summer I can often be found on the Moors in Derbyshire, England, sky watching but it's too cold up there a lot of the year to be honest.  In fact when I was camping in Lincolnshire I remember seeing some crazy stuff but I think it was weapons testing or training.  There are a lot of RAF bases in Lincolnshire.  I don't think they would test a disk there though as there are too many people.

As far as testing a Disc there you say too many people around. What do you think is the best testing grounds in all of the Great Britain ? I think they utilize the North Sea and Atlantic very much to their advantage.

One of these bases is located on the West Coast of Scotland, RAF Machrihanish. Many rumors have came out of the area for over 10 years from the secret hypersonic spy plane "Aurora" being operated from the base, to the other extreme of crashed UFO's being dismantled and reversed engineered at the base.

1989: Chris Gibson, a former member of the Royal Observer Corps, while working on the Gavelston Key oil rig in the North Sea reported seeing what could possibly be the USAF's new spy plane. He observed a loud black triangle in the process of refueling with a USAF KC-135 Stratotanker, being escorted by two F-111 Fighter-Bombers. He said that if he could not identify the craft, then it is not in any book.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Blackswift/aurora.jpg)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Blackswift/aurora1.jpg)

I think The Aurora has a depot at this base. The Aurora is still a mystery  I think  The Aurora is its own craft. Possibly Nuclear Powered? not sure the rumors are out there.

Heres a good links to RAF Machrihanish and Aurora
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/RAF_Machrihanish.html (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/RAF_Machrihanish.html)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/aurora.htm (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/aurora.htm)

Here's a fantastic Picture of the Base its an excellent spot one thing I have always noticed is its lack of Hangers? I would think there would be a myriad of Hangers on the base ??? Lets think of reasons why this might be? Hmmm...  ???

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Blackswift/Scotland_001.png)

Their have been some fabulous UFO cases out of Great Britain areas. The Bentwaters UFO incident which was 100% real with evidence. This incident had drawn John Lear into the investigations of UFOs Alien Craft . Eventually making Area-51 a very well known secret base sounds kind of funny, But to this day its the most famous secret base  :D :D We may have to start a new thread for this info. Once again one thing leads to another in Ufology that's one of the major interests I have in the subject.   :)
BigPappy51 8) 8)

I'd say the coast of Scotland is the most likely place in the UK for secret aircraft testing....  It seems more sensible than starting a UFO flap in Belgium.

Quote from: Bigpappy51 on November 16, 2011, 11:16:19 AM
The Bentwaters UFO incident which was 100% real with evidence. This incident had drawn John Lear into the investigations of UFOs Alien Craft...

Rendlesham Forest is a case I'm very familiar with.  They have based stealth aircraft at Bentwaters, it isn't just some run of the mill underground alien base you know. ;)

Bigpappy51 -

re: Gene Huff

I was about to post a fairly detailed response Gene put together responding to questions about Bob, but I see Zorgon has beat me to it already.  ;D

It's in the Lazar library here:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=190.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=190.0)

The Gene Huff story eventually leads to one of my favorite quotes by John... "You haven't been flamed till you been flamed by Gene Huff."   ;D   8)


(edit: I just made an addition to the Lazar Library that shows Gene in top form.  8) )

Quote from: A51Watcher on November 17, 2011, 04:51:08 AM
Bigpappy51 -

re: Gene Huff

I was about to post a fairly detailed response Gene put together responding to questions about Bob, but I see Zorgon has beat me to it already.  ;D

It's in the Lazar library here:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=190.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=190.0)

The Gene Huff story eventually leads to one of my favorite quotes by John... "You haven't been flamed till you been flamed by Gene Huff."   ;D   8)


(edit: I just made an addition to the Lazar Library that shows Gene in top form.  8) )

Hey Are51Hunter could you link me where Glenn Campbell posted his various opinions on Lazar ? Was this on ATS ? On The Fact or Faked Video they show Glen at The Area 51 Gate section well where the Signs are. I didn't even recognize him he shaved his head and mustache off. I knew it was him because of what they introduced him. I guess he is still taking people to the to[p of the Peak for $250 a person. I was wondering if you were referring to the Lazar Corner?

Hello Bigpappy51, I checked in to see whats happenin here.

In that fact or faked segment, I wished they would have spent more time on that area51 light show. Personally, It looks legit to me. Certainly a UFO of some kind. I would safely opinion it was a craft since it showed a wavy pattern as it filled the frame.

Were going to have to inquire Glenn Campbell on that one from his website.

Quote from: Gigas on November 18, 2011, 04:35:02 AM
Hello Bigpappy51, I checked in to see whats happenin here.

In that fact or faked segment, I wished they would have spent more time on that area51 light show. Personally, It looks legit to me. Certainly a UFO of some kind. I would safely opinion it was a craft since it showed a wavy pattern as it filled the frame.

Were going to have to inquire Glenn Campbell on that one from his website.

Hey Gigas whats going on ?? We spent some time you and I on this incident already. It is quite fascinating I thought I should post it on here also. I though Lear would comment on it but i guess he has not seen it,  I would like to see this show get some really really serious attention. I bet they have alot of people writing in about it.
Glenn Campbell contact him, He may have some answers for us. I been hanging out over here the past week.  8) 8)

Ya Bigpappy51, I'm interested in hearing his take on the video myself. Lets hope he has some stuff on the question. I did look up glenns contact information, all I found was a youtube pm link. I did send him a message asking about the light on the show. I'll let you know if he ever answers back.

Quote from: Gigas on November 18, 2011, 08:06:05 PM
Ya Bigpappy51, I'm interested in hearing his take on the video myself. Lets hope he has some stuff on the question. I did look up glenns contact information, all I found was a youtube pm link. I did send him a message asking about the light on the show. I'll let you know if he ever answers back.

What do you think of this forum? Its Zorgons. I know Zorgon had taken alot of time and effort putting it together. Me personally I really like it the colors are so easy on the eyes and the Topics are more my cup of tea. I have my own forum yet spend my time over here lately LoL.

Quote from: Bigpappy51 on November 17, 2011, 01:16:43 PM
Hey Are51Hunter ...

Haven't been hunting in a while

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could you link me where Glenn Campbell posted his various opinions on Lazar ?

Glenn and Gene posted on usenet threads in the pre- internet days.
These are some of the exchanges I have found archived.

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On The Fact or Faked Video they show Glen at The Area 51 Gate section well where the Signs are. I didn't even recognize him he shaved his head and mustache off. I knew it was him because of what they introduced him. I guess he is still taking people to the top of the Peak for $250 a person. I was wondering if you were referring to the Lazar Corner?

No. But I gave up reading his BS a long time ago.

He 'simply isn't worth my time anymore'.  ;D

I like it. Very colorful and mind engaging. Zorgon never does it half way. The guys a machine I tell you.

Hey BP.

I just added a couple of items to the Lazar library you should find interesting.

One is a sighting there by Mark Farmer -

"As he watched it for the next hour and 45 minutes, it made sharp, instantaneous horizontal movements, near-instantaneous turns, then it would slowly wobble for minutes at a time, then become rock solid."

Umm yeah sounds to me like he got to see one alright. You will note from the first Gene Huff post in the Lazar library that they went out there on 3 separate occasions, and some nights the tests were more spectatular than others.

From the various videos I have collected and descriptions I have heard from others, that indeed seemed to always be the case.

Ever wonder why that clip from Bob's home video of the tests out there that Knapp broadcast is so short?

I can tell you why - as you can hear Gene exclaiming in the audio "Look at how bright it is getting!" and as he later explained they thought the thing was going to explode it was getting so bright.

Indeed... when they do that, it lights up the desert floor like daylight, in the middle of the night!  :o

However, if you notice in his video (and even in mine when security drives by) the VCR cameras of the day do not pick up starlight. Even though it is a clear cloudless night, full of stars, the lux capability of those cameras were unable to capture stars.

So... only when the craft get super- bright do they finally appear on film. Most of the time they are about the same brightness as the stars.

And what makes them get bright? That is the really odd thing -

There is no correlation between how fast they are going and how bright they are.

They can go fast either bright or dim, and they can go slow either bright or dim. Makes no difference. Same for hover mode.

Brightness has no bearing on what they are doing, which is very odd to our eye.

As Gene has mentioned, they can be a long way off, then start your direction, and then be up on you in a startling blink of an eye. This fact or faked video clip you posted helps give you an idea of what that looks like. You barely have time to think "what the.." before it is up on you, past you and gone. In my case it zipped overhead north past Hwy 375 and then hovered there behind me for a bit before returning.

They also can hover for a while and start doing odd patterns, like in my 1965 video you see the craft doing a triangle pattern, well these craft in the desert can do odd patterns, sort of like the alien writing Jesse Marcel Jr. has described and drawn.

They start doing an odd pattern continuously over and over repeatedly. Sometimes another disc will join them beforehand and they somehow lock their navigation systems together and perform the pattern in tandem. Then hover and decouple their nav systems.

If you look at the very end of part one of my trip there, when security drives by you can momentarily see one of the craft in the sky above the vehicle.


All of these impossible maneuvers including the stair- step maneuver Gene Huff saw and what Mark Farmer saw and what I saw, all completely violate the laws of aerodynamics and physics. Just can't be done.

And neither could it be done in 1965. But I saw it being done.

And neither could it be done in 1947. But thousands of Americans saw it being done.

-continued-

Another addition is a new transcript I just added to the OP of the Lazar library.

@Area51watcher hey brother thanks for the info on Bob I think that The Bob Lazar Library is the best collection of material on Lazar.

Man what a great find i dint realize I posted this here when I was BigPappy51!!! This ties in to my Charles Hall story Bigtime!!!!
Link:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1700.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1700.0)

man this has been a great night so far this is a sign of great things to come!!! Primus Check it out!!!!

Hi S.I.T.D,

I recall your old name but I am not sure if I have posted on your threads or posts on other forums etc.

I note you intro post...and what you have said about Bob,John and Z.

You post above looks very interesting...Hope to read it in detail later..
I am fascinated what could be or has been going on within the Nellis range..

Welcome back if you have been away !

Astr0144

Quote from: astr0144 on July 31, 2012, 05:56:25 AM
Hi S.I.T.D,

I recall your old name but I am not sure if I have posted on your threads or posts on other forums etc.

I note you intro post...and what you have said about Bob,John and Z.

You post above looks very interesting...Hope to read it in detail later..
I am fascinated what could be or has been going on within the Nellis range..

Welcome back if you have been away !

Astr0144

Hey Astro144 you remind me of myself when I first started posting alot which took place on OpenMindsForum under John Lears Special Guest section which had some of the best threads ever created like " The Case for A Civilization on The Moon" and I and others did many posts on Bob Lazar. Your very enthusiastic and bring up some great topics did you see my new post on The Doc Searls S-4 photos? Link:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2283.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2283.0)

I had chnged my name because I wanted a fresh start again and Zorgon and John Lear are 2 great guys and they have given me that chance and I'm just thrilled this is the most I have posted in a few years!!!

Anytime you want to talk Area-51 S-4 papoose Dry Lake , DogBone Dry Lake , Indian Springs AFB now Creech AFB , The Tall Whites Bob Lazar man you let me know I have studied them all extensively. When it comes to Lazar theres one thing that can never be discounted. And that's the fact that he told John Lear and Gene Huff on what nights and what times UFOs would be tested and man they were there at exactly on cue. So he had to be involved in some way. That's with S-4 which is completely separate and run by the NAVY not the Air Force. You know the NAVY is really heavy into Disc Technology ever look into USOs? Think about all the Discs you could load up on a Giant Aircraft Carrier it would be like plates on a lunch cart. Vertical take off is key to the NAVYs future in my opinion. And they have been looking into it for a long long time!!

Hope to reply in more detail later..

I was on open minds forum about a couple of months before it finished..

I looked at Johns section and some of his posts maps and photos of views  that he showed of the NTS and Nellis range from the Mount Charleston area...

He had some good photos showing all the various locations including Papoose lake...I asked if he could repost them on PRC ..he did for some but some Not of his better ones that he had that labled places..

I am tied up for a while...try and post later or tomorrow.

Quote from: Pimander on November 16, 2011, 12:07:54 AM
It could be a meteor mate.

I think the object in the video could be a meteor.  However, the lights all going on does has to get you thinking.  Especially if you don't believe in coincidences. ;)

Hey Pimander, I thought that too, however, as you say, the lights going on and off was most interesting, and, if you looked closely at this video footage, this thing seemed to arc down ever so slightly, like a slight course change in its downward trajectory. Also, the way it was lit looked more mechanical than natural.

I believe what we see here is likely corroboration of Charles Hall's account of the Scout Craft coming in. Very cool, unfortunately, most UFO's shows on TV are quick sound bites. I would love to see a thorough show dedicated to Hall that way they have for Rendleshem and Bentwaters.

Hi Sitd...

I'm late back and can only manage a further quick reply for now..

I have had an interest in Bobs story for some years now ( maybe 5 to 10 yrs ago )although I was rather late in learning about it compared to when it occurred...I learned about it many only Youtube videos if I recall after seeing a TV program one time that referred to Bob.. I had not really been on many forums though to seek further DETAILED information until the last 2 to 3  years. SO I do not consider myself  greatly knowledgeable or experienced compared to some members on PRC...Zorgon, John and A51 watcher being who I believe are the main members who are more the main Bob Lazar experts...along with several members who are greatly knowledgeable in association with related topics to the UFO topics and the Science behind them.

I was on Dreamland Resort for maybe 2 years, but as it claims not to be a UFO site...not a great deal was discussed in detail during the time I followed it...although they did have quite a bit of material articles etc related to Area 51 and Bobs story..As I suspect that you will be aware...Then about 6 to 8 months ago  there were warnings never to mention Bob Lazar...after I had tried to raise some further questions.

This I found a bit annoying, so I sort other forums...I came across open minds and found John...and within 2 months, it got closed down...

I then decided to Join A.T.S...Id seen it before but never joined it...as I had been given an initial impression that it mostly was negative about Bobs story....Upon seeking to ask questions...I GOT extremely lucky and got an invite to PRC from Zorgon....Just prior to this I had also looked at Alien Scientist...Upon asking Zorgon about it he gave me some feedback about it....and also about Bob and introduced me to A51Watcher...

I did have questions about some of Bobs story and initially was unsure about some other things...but after finding certain information on PRC.. this has given me certain information that has at least allowed me to fill in some gaps and answer some of my concerns..

For now I have become keen and addicted to trying to find some of the truths of what is going on and it is good to have been able to meet such members who share some great content...without being trolled ...

I have wanted to try and find out about Area 51 and its surroundings ... I do find it a fascinating landscape...and have took quite an interest in the land and geography ....

Bobs story was one of the best stories that I had come across...and initially I had not even realized that John Lear had been so closely connected to him....Now having studied some of Johns material..I have learned how things were connected, in which prior to this I had questioned with uncertainty some of the things John had said.

Now I do have further facts to fill in the gaps..

After looking at other UFO stuff...before Bobs story...I had not really been able to determine IF I believed most of them and was sceptical..
This also included Roswell at the time..along with a few more well known cases...A51 Watcher has since educated me further on Roswell on many things that I had never been aware about..

Bobs had been the most convincing story that I had myself believed to come across...Now seeing A51 watchers material and Johns connection...It has become even more convincing...

I have now become interested in your Tall Whites story..and research.
It is exceptionally interesting...

Other things like matrix Travelers thread also...but His work I believe will take some dedicated study to research...but it seems some unique material that he is offering to show us...

Yes I hope that we can discuss the surrounding areas around Groom and Papoose and NTS / Nellis...so many mysteries of this enticing place...

I do have some knowledge of the surrounding area..and would like to get the chance to spend time researching it in greater detail....

Speak later....said enough for now   ??? :)

Cheers
Astr0
   




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Hey Astro144 you remind me of myself when I first started posting alot which took place on OpenMindsForum under John Lears Special Guest section which had some of the best threads ever created like " The Case for A Civilization on The Moon" and I and others did many posts on Bob Lazar. Your very enthusiastic and bring up some great topics did you see my new post on The Doc Searls S-4 photos? Link:
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2283.0 (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2283.0)

I had chnged my name because I wanted a fresh start again and Zorgon and John Lear are 2 great guys and they have given me that chance and I'm just thrilled this is the most I have posted in a few years!!!

Anytime you want to talk Area-51 S-4 papoose Dry Lake , DogBone Dry Lake , Indian Springs AFB now Creech AFB , The Tall Whites Bob Lazar man you let me know I have studied them all extensively. When it comes to Lazar theres one thing that can never be discounted. And that's the fact that he told John Lear and Gene Huff on what nights and what times UFOs would be tested and man they were there at exactly on cue. So he had to be involved in some way. That's with S-4 which is completely separate and run by the NAVY not the Air Force. You know the NAVY is really heavy into Disc Technology ever look into USOs? Think about all the Discs you could load up on a Giant Aircraft Carrier it would be like plates on a lunch cart. Vertical take off is key to the NAVYs future in my opinion. And they have been looking into it for a long long time!!
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