QuoteA satellite ground station in Western Australia is being used by the Chinese military to help find Australian and US navy warships, an expert on space-based espionage says.
Professor Des Ball says the government may have inadvertently acted against the national interest by allowing China to use the ground station at Mingenew to track Beijing's space satellites, The Australian reported on Wednesday.
"This ground station would help China's space-based listening devices more precisely locate the electronic emissions from aircraft carriers, destroyers and other navy ships," Mr Ball told paper.
"We're talking serious stuff here."
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/11701993/chinese-military-using-satellite-station/ (http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/11701993/chinese-military-using-satellite-station/)
Quote"This ground station would help China's space-based listening devices to more precisely locate the electronic emissions from aircraft carriers, destroyers and other navy ships," Professor Ball told The Australian.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/chinese-military-using-wa-station/story-e6frg8yo-1226196147004 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/chinese-military-using-wa-station/story-e6frg8yo-1226196147004)
Who is Des Ball?QuoteHe is a former head of the Strategic and Defence Studies Centre and a firm believer in the need for constructive public debate on defence and security issues.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/writer-des-ball-an-expert-at-making-waves/story-e6frg6nf-1226036247834 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/writer-des-ball-an-expert-at-making-waves/story-e6frg6nf-1226036247834)
http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/people/personal/balld_sdsc.php (http://asiapacific.anu.edu.au/people/personal/balld_sdsc.php)
Strategic & Defence Studies Centrehttp://ips.cap.anu.edu.au/sdsc/ (http://ips.cap.anu.edu.au/sdsc/)
A royal marine once told me that one of the "most watched" nations by British intelligence is Australia. He reckons there is a lack of trust. He was close friends with a guy we knew who worked for Army Intelligence so his sources were probably reliable.
Has anyone else heard similar?
Quote from: Pimander on November 15, 2011, 11:35:17 PM
A royal marine once told me that one of the "most watched" nations by British intelligence is Australia. He reckons there is a lack of trust. He was close friends with a guy we knew who worked for Army Intelligence so his sources were probably reliable.
Has anyone else heard similar?
Highly likely! CI5 and MI6 both regularly spy on Civilian, Military, Commercial and Governmental 'Assets' (within Australia) on a regular basis. In fact it got so bad in the 90's that certain 'agents of the Crown' were expelled from the country.
It all boils down to Australia's Foreign Policy. If we maintained a course that fit in with the "Mother Country" and it's ideological outlook everything would be ok, but our politicians seem hell-bent on a course of pampering the 'enemy' and placating those that would harm the 'Status Quo'.
This 'Lack of Trust' belies a hidden agenda, one that has been forming in Australia for decades, and that is Socialism.
Now we have a Fabian Socialist Prime Minister who has a 'Secret Agenda' wouldn't that make England and other Allied Countries worried??
Quote from: starwarp2000 on November 16, 2011, 02:36:03 AM
Now we have a Fabian Socialist Prime Minister who has a 'Secret Agenda' wouldn't that make England and other Allied Countries worried??
That depends on the type of Socialism I guess. The monarchy have their own protectors not just MI6 and Defence intel.
As Australia forge stronger and stronger links with Asia the Brits will get more and more worried I imagine.
Quote from: Pimander on November 16, 2011, 03:50:09 AM
That depends on the type of Socialism I guess.
Fabian Socialism!
Dont' make me start a thread on it, Google it ;D
Basically started in England in the 1800's. Main agenda: Slowly change the government of a country by infiltration and changes until it becomes 'inevitable'.
Most noteworthy members: Jules Verne, Anne Besant, and George Bernard Shaw.
George Bernard Shaw was a piece of work. Backed the Nazi's and came up with the idea of using 'gas' to remove those branded 'disposable' to society. Adhered to all the same doctrines as the Nazi's: Eugenics etc.
People often forget that we expended 100 million lives getting rid of one Socialist regime and now it is slowly creeping back into our countries?
I'm aware of the Fabian Society. I don't agree with you that it is so black and white. When people try to convince you a political persuation is pure evil there is often an agenda at work.
The aims of the Fabians are not secret. They advocate the introduction of socialism by gradual means rather than revolution. NAZIsm or National Socialism was not socialism at all, it was fascism.
QuoteThe communists and Social Democrats were, in fact, the main opponents of the rise of Nazi power in Weimar Germany; Nazi Germany and Socialist Russia were at each other's throats in World War II.
SOURCE: http://www.lawrence.edu/sorg/objectivism/socfasc.html
As I say, it just isn't as black and white as you portray.
As we are well off topic, it's probably better if we continue this via PM. I also don't get too deeply into politics on interent forums.
:o
Now that is interesting because not so long ago, I mean only in the last couple of weeks not so long ago Des Ball published a paper Saying China's hacking was fairly limited.
News article :
China's Cyberwar Capabilities Called 'Fairly Limited'
http://www.securitynewsdaily.com/china-cyberwar-weak-ability-1303/
Des Ball's Paper in PDF:
Chinas Cyber Warfare Capabilities By Desmond Ball
http://www.securitychallenges.org.au/ArticlePDFs/vol7no2Ball.pdf
Quote from: Pimander on November 16, 2011, 12:06:51 PM
As we are well off topic, it's probably better if we continue this via PM. I also don't get too deeply into politics on interent forums.
Agree! Let's leave the politics to the political ;D
Quote from: Somamech on November 16, 2011, 03:27:51 PM
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Now that is interesting because not so long ago, I mean only in the last couple of weeks not so long ago Des Ball published a paper Saying China's hacking was fairly limited.
Very Interesting!
Sounds like he is buttering both sides of the bread!
Funny that China has the world's fastest supercomputer.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2395554,00.asp#fbid=XaO5gm1HQ9Y (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2395554,00.asp#fbid=XaO5gm1HQ9Y)
People often overlook China's Hacking partners > India and Pakistan.
Not so long ago, my ISP had their service centre and infrastructure in India and i constantly got routed through Chinese servers.
Don't know how many times they installed keyloggers, did packet injection, stole bandwidth, but it wouldn't fit on your fingers.
So maybe they can't construct polymorphic encrypting viruses yet, but they are very, very good at the workhorse hacking which is the mainstay of Cyber Espionage.