Well, well. Happy New Year to all, and as I awake fully from a few
days of respite from the world, and all of its madness, what do I
find but a trashy article in The New York Times entitled
"Lets Give Up On The Constitution".
WTH? The article starts out by claiming The Constitution
to be evil! ?
QuoteAS the nation teeters at the edge of fiscal chaos, observers are reaching the conclusion that the American system of government is broken. But almost no one blames the culprit: our insistence on obedience to the Constitution, with all its archaic, idiosyncratic and downright evil provisions. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/opinion/lets-give-up-on-the-constitution.html?_r=1&
I suppose this is how its going to go
now, after many of the corrupt members of The Senate and
The House, along with the current administration have over
the last 4 years racked up more debt than all of the other administrations together.
That debt, add to that the continued assualt on our
personal freedoms, our pursuit of Life, Liberty and Happiness.
Oh, I suppose that is the first thing they would want
stipped out, our right to pursue what leads us to happiness!
Next up, I suppose its our right to defend ourselves,
yes with a gun of course. Our right to bear arms,
granted to us by that "evil" constitution!
Following closely behind, I imagine next they would strip
away our right to free speech, our right to assemble
peaceably, and our right of freedom of religion.
Such evil things! :o ??? ::)
Shall we be made to worship The State? The Federal
Government?
>:(
Oh....yes my this would be better than the freedoms
afforded by The "Evil" Constitution?
Of course not!
Then, pray tell why are we seeing this brought up on the
heels of The Fiscal Cliff and The Sandy Hook Shootings,
and Occupy Wallstreet ( the latter being my opinion it was
a covert movement started by the CIA ) ?
The stage has been set, and we are all on it as we speak.
Is there someone waiting in the wings, who will raise an
armed hand and shoot The Eagle from the sky?
I think someone is going to try.
So, with that said...your all free to comment, or not.
:)
Taking our guns from us is NOT the answer, stripping
our rights of free speech, peaceable assembly, freedom
of religion....our right to pursue happiness....now that is what
I see as evil.
If that is not enough what all the places in the US that will not allow you to grow your owned food :(
When will it stop. They want total control
Bless
Back
Quote from: Back on January 02, 2013, 10:55:01 PM
Bless
Back
Yes, right on. They want to feed us GMO food,
without labels and take away the right to grow
our own sustainable foods.
Softkill, and its working very well on a large percent
of the population.
I would encourage a more thorough reading of the article. The author isn't advocating a scenario where nobody has any rights whatsoever. He's talking about Senate beauracracy; although in reality, that would exist with the current Constitution or any other one they wanted to draw up. Legislatures are inherently corrupt institutions, infested, as they always are, with degenerate, senile, fascist geriatrics.
Quote from: petrus4 on January 02, 2013, 11:01:50 PM
I would encourage a more thorough reading of the article. The author isn't advocating a scenario where nobody has any rights whatsoever.
Sure, yes...and I read the whole thing and would encourage
everyone to do so.
They just start with one thing, and move on to the next.
Labeling The Constitution "Evil" is quite literally absurd.
Without men of conviction The Constitution is just another
old document. Its the persistence of the people who carry on
with pursuit of Life Liberty and Happiness that breathes life
into it.
So as we refer to "The Constitution" that is in reference
to in essence what it stands for, what it was drafted as,
the founders intent, and who will stand and protect it now.
:)
QuoteLouis Michael Seidman, a professor of constitutional law at Georgetown University, is the author of the forthcoming book "On Constitutional Disobedience."
I guess that explains the tone of that opinion article... :)
Seriously, I think that when people agree with living in a society they should abide by that society's rules, constitution included, obviously, and if they don't like them then don't expect to be treated as an equal member of that society.
Having old and outdated laws and rules is a natural consequence of having laws and rules, they just need to be updated to the new environment.
For example, living in a country where the president doesn't have any real policy making power, I find all systems where the power is almost all in the hands of just one person (theoretically) strange, outdated and dangerous. Another thing that I find strange is all those upper and lower chambers used in many countries, we have only one parliament and it's already hard to manage, why have more of them? To get more jobs for the friends and family?
Give up on the Constitution? No, fight with the political and civic weapons (not the physical weapons, at least until is really needed) that the Constitution grants you to change it to fit today's needs, not the needs of rich merchants and land owners that lived more than 200 years ago.
But this is just my opinion. :)
Thanks much bts, for this OP and for your thoughts on the very critical subject of the Constitution of the United States of America. I certainly am no expert on it either, but I do most certainly understand its absolute relevance to the substance of this country. It is the backbone of this country, and it represents to all Americans the reality of the Constitutional foundational guarantee for the basis of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in this country.
For sure, the Constitution is not a "document in work", to be changed at the whim of the Federal government, nor at the ever changing whims of the people and political factions. As I said, it is the very foundation upon which this country has been built, and every act to destroy it should be strongly dealt with, by the people.
While there have been 27 amendments to the Constitution, there can certainly be additional amendments, if the people deem it so. However, there are very specific Constitutional requirements in place that dictate the amendment process.
1. An amendment may be "proposed" by the Congress by a 2/3's majority vote in both the House and the Senate. An amendment can also be proposed by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures.
2. A proposed amendment becomes part of the Constitution as soon as it is ratified by three-fourths of the States (38 of 50 States)
So, the methods for Constitutional changes are in place, for use when needed, and have very strong procedural requirements. The process for Constitutional change does involve the elected members of the House of Representatives and the Senate, but it does not include any participation of the President.
Now, with that said, possibly the greatest enemy of the Constitution, and the enemy of the people, is the authority delegated to the Supreme Court (and maybe not the authority, but the lifetime appointment). The Justices are supposed to rule according to the Constitution, with amendments. But rather, we are witnessing these 9 people making rulings on the basis of political interpretation, rather than on the specific intent of law of the Constitution. BAD BAD!
The Supreme Court is now a very slippery slope for all of us, relative to maintaining a strong Constitutional relevance under which we can live our lives of liberty.
And maybe the 2nd greatest enemy of the Constitution is having a President who ignores the Constitution for personal agenda (contrary to the foundations of this country), and for political gains that should be impeachable offenses, which we are now witnessing!
Here is a short link for a little more info on the Constitutional Amendment process, JFYI.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/
theres nothing wrong with the constitution.
keep it simple worked great until lawyers got ahold of it.
a few dead lawyers could improve its standing.
when i become dictator of the usa,gallows will be built at the steps of congress and another set at the supreme court.
fresh rope will be hung from them every morning to just remind the politicians.
then i would start executing everybody in mainstream media including their children,live on tv.
there would be a gun factory in almost all the states and at the age of twelve,every child in america would be givin a brand new rifle.
the bureau of printing would be a rice paper factory.
gold, silver and copper would be our money.
after four years,the constitution would be brought back except for the part refering to my job.
Quote from: ArMaP on January 03, 2013, 12:40:38 AM
I guess that explains the tone of that opinion article... :)
Yeah, you have to be careful where Lawyers of Constitutional
law are concerned....seriously!
:o
Your entire post, very well said ArMap!
Quote from: rdunk on January 03, 2013, 03:01:20 AM
While there have been 27 amendments to the Constitution, there can certainly be additional amendments, if the people deem it so. However, there are very specific Constitutional requirements in place that dictate the amendment process....
Here is a short link for a little more info on the Constitutional Amendment process, JFYI.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/
Thanks much Rdunk,
That is a good resource, and thank you for sharing your knowledge.
We just might be needing it in the future!
As you have pointed out, its one thing to amend the constitution,
its another thing to call it "evil" as The NYT has done.
Thanks again,
bts
Quote from: robomont on January 03, 2013, 03:33:01 AM
theres nothing wrong with the constitution.
keep it simple worked great until lawyers got ahold of it.
Thats three of us so far saying that....
What do we make of that having one for POTUS?
::)
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there would be a gun factory in almost all the states and at the age of twelve,every child in america would be givin a brand new rifle.
the bureau of printing would be a rice paper factory.
gold, silver and copper would be our money.
:) How bad could that be?
Rice paper....yummm...I used to eat those little candies
when I was a young girl.....
Quote from: robomont on January 03, 2013, 03:33:01 AM
theres nothing wrong with the constitution.
keep it simple worked great until lawyers got ahold of it.
a few dead lawyers could improve its standing.
when i become dictator of the usa,gallows will be built at the steps of congress and another set at the supreme court.
fresh rope will be hung from them every morning to just remind the politicians.
then i would start executing everybody in mainstream media including their children,live on tv.
there would be a gun factory in almost all the states and at the age of twelve,every child in america would be givin a brand new rifle.
the bureau of printing would be a rice paper factory.
gold, silver and copper would be our money.
after four years,the constitution would be brought back except for the part refering to my job.
I might point out that the problem is NOT fiat currency... It is INTEREST. ANY time an entity charges interest on its money, it is setting up debt for the simple reason that there is no way to pay interest back. Simple illustration: If I print $100 and lend it to You at 5% interest...where will You get that 5% interest from after paying back $100? You will be in debt to Me.
All money, in and of itself, is a place holder accounting for meaningful energy expended. Doesn't matter what One uses - shells worked, and so did beads. There was only a true problem when the moneychangers entered the picture, charging interest and then fractionalizing Their lending. THAT is the root of the problem.
IF We had to have an accounting system for meaningful energy expended, a governMENT (controlMIND) could issue interest-free currency literally printed on toilet paper and it would work.
If course, I'm for ending the need to do all this accounting for meaningful energy expended, because finally, in all Our history, We now have the tools that make this possible. And I'm also for getting rid of controlMIND in favor of stigmergic governANCE via the web.
Quote from: robomont on January 03, 2013, 03:33:01 AM
gold, silver and copper would be our money.
And what will you do? Carry a little file and a carat scale around when you go shopping?
::)
Well at least I do have those items :D
nope,round up and round down.there should be enough copper to make change.
no more financing debt by government.pay as you go.