i think while the conspiracy here seems to be about what did or did not happen..
that we are being played and the story is perpetuated by folks who will jump on anything
.i think it is a test to see who can be played and then who can be counted on to continue to float the story
also
a test to see how gullible some are to beliveing the most outrageous and just where it goes
i do have a feeling that the test is to see how they can play the next news blip and one of those blips coming just might be the big alien reveal..but by that time no one will believe it
but hey.. that's just my opinion
lots of embeded stuff in the article and vids..go to the link for those
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/sandy-hook-conspiracy-theory-video-debunked_n_2487427.html?utm_hp_ref=weird-news
Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theory Video Debunked By Experts
The Huffington Post | By Cavan Sieczkowski Posted: 01/16/2013 8:20 pm EST | Updated: 01/16/2013 9:16 pm EST
Conspiracy theories surrounding the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting have reached a new level with a viral "truther" video that has been viewed by millions of people in just one week. However, experts in conspiracy theory have debunked the video as a mere marketing trade on questions, not answers.
On Jan. 7, the video titled "The Sandy Hook Shooting - Fully Exposed" was posted to the YouTube channel ThinkOutsideTheTV, where it garnered more than 8.6 million views in just nine days. The 30-minute video uses news clips to point out "inconsistencies" in the Sandy Hook coverage.
The video opens with a disclaimer: "This is a simple, logical video. No aliens, holigrams [sic], rituals or anything like that, just facts."
"The video begins with something that really everybody can accept -- 'We are just raising questions,'" Benjamin Radford, author of "Media Mythmakers" and deputy editor of the Skeptical Inquirer, told The Huffington Post. "The whole subject is framed like, 'Don't look at us, we're not saying this crazy stuff, we're just asking questions.'"
But that's all the video is -- just questions.
"All they offer are tantalizing 'could be's," Radford said.
"The classic conspiracy theorist sees the hidden hand in everything. Nothing is as it seems," he added. "There's something bigger that's going on. They dont know where it is, but they are willing to tantalize people and throw out any number of suggestions, which are oftentimes contradictory."
David Mikkelson, founder of myth-bunking site Snopes.com, agrees.
"In any kind of disaster or tragedy like this, if you go through things with a fine-toothed comb, you will find a number of contradictory statements," Mikkelson told HuffPost. "Of course, most of them are cleared up within a few days of the initial reporting, but it's not something you're going to see in these [conspiracy] videos."
Some questions posited by ThinkOutsideTheTV include:
•How Adam Lanza's AR-15 rifle got locked in his trunk (later proven to be an extra shotgun);
•If grieving Newtown citizens are really just "crisis actors" (targeted hero Gene Rosen is actually a retired psychologist);
•Why memorial websites were seemingly set up before the shooting on Dec. 14 ("Google search result entries are imprecise and do not always accurately reflect the date on which the reference material first appeared on the web," notes Mikkelson on Snopes).
In addition, truthers have claimed that the victims' parents didn't express the proper level of grief. However, by cherry-picking certain portions of certain news clips, evidence to such claims becomes "beneath worthless and is actually misleading," Robert Blaskiewicz, writer for the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry and co-editor of the blog Skeptical Humanities, said in an email to HuffPost. "Doing that means ignoring (or simply rejecting) vast quantities of evidence that doesn't support their conclusion."
View the conspiracy video at the link (Story continues below)
Some truthers went as far as saying 6-year-old Emilie Parker, a victim of the shooting, later appears in a photo with the president.
"They'll see things that have double meanings," Radford said. "What the rest of us see [in that photo] is Emilie Parker's sister, but they're looking at the exact same photograph and they are interpreting it very differently."
"You can get a lot of mileage out of vague physical similarities," Mikkelson added.
Compiled together, this "evidence" not only addresses a theory, but also a much larger issue: Most conspiracy theorists have a very specific agenda, the experts said.
ThinkOutsideTheTV, for example, points to the notion that Sandy Hook could've been a scheme to disarm the American public and destroy the Second Amendment.
"What I think we are looking at in the video is an attempt to find evidence to fit a preexisting narrative, that the government is or is quickly becoming a tyranny and that the only thing stopping the government from terrorizing the nation is that the populace is armed," Blaskiewicz said.
Blaskiewicz added that such a diseased investigative process is almost always guaranteed to fail.
"The only possible answer at the end of that process of investigation is some sort of omnipotent puppet master who controls everything. In this case, it's the government, but it's often Jews, the New World Order, the other political party, the Illuminati, Masons, or even inter-dimensional mind-controlling reptilian space aliens who impersonate political leaders."
D.J. Grothe, president of the James Randi Educational Foundation, does note that truthers shouldn't be immediately dismissed as raving lunatics, however.
"Political conspiracy theorists are completely wrong [in their conclusions], but they're not crazy," he told HuffPost. "The leading conspiracy theorists ... are right on many of their initial factual claims. Depending on what the theory is, they might even be correct in all of their claims. Where they are wrong is connecting the dots that aren't there."
"We are hardwired to seek order in chaos, make meaning out of data noise, and it is paradoxically comforting to imagine that great tragedy is not just time and chance, but a function of some nefarious, pre-planned grand design," he added.
Related on HuffPost:
another video
I'm guessing They're scrabbling to "debunk" these anomalies... But I notice one specific issue NONE of these "debunkers" will touch.
WHY is a "dead" girl sitting on Obama's lap the day He visited Sandy Hook? There She is, in the exact same dress as She was wearing in the "family portrait." Her eyes, the same, Her nose the same, Her smile the same, Her hair the same - yeah.....
actually they did address that..try looking thur the print again..you may actually find it
Screw the experts. The shooting had exactly the same pattern that we saw with the Batman shooting in Denver; in the sense that initial media reports mentioned multiple shooters, and then the official story was reduced to just one.
It's always the same; the media's initial reports contain the truth, before the authorities then formulate and disseminate an "official" (read: fecal matter) story, for the media to then feed to the public.
Quote from: sky otter on January 17, 2013, 04:13:53 AM
actually they did address that..try looking thur the print again..you may actually find it
Ah, I did miss that. I will say for sure that that was the same girl - unless "Emilie" had a twin? And (presuming the "sister" theory) why would They dress Her in Emilie's dress? And for kids that just lost a sibling...MAN They look UNshell-shocked. In fact, They look downright celebratory!
"Robbie" doesn't seem too distraught until He gets into character for the cameras. Even then, He looks like He's reading from a script. And lacks any real passion.
I have yet to see a single tear in all of this - "cherry-picked" or not. A truly grief-stricken Person would tend greatly towards that - and yet... Not ONE.
And I DON'T see any addressing of The Dark Knight... What is the probability that:
1. A film would have the word "Aurora" in it (not shown in that particular piece)
AND2. It would also have "Sandy Hook"
AND3. The map matches the area of a school called "Sandy Hook"
AND4. A "shooting" takes place in places with BOTH names
AND5. Both initially have "multiple shooters" that are pared down to one...
I'm sure more can be added to that list but that list ALONE has a probability of 1 to (some number with many, many zeroes before the decimal point) if it all occurred randomly. IF it was planned and staged, the probabilities drop to about 1 to 1.
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Petrus, I agree. The "experts" are in on it. Snopes has been caught out offering the "official version" on some incident - wish I could remember what or I would link to it - and that was proven false, I do remember.
AnyOne believing this was NOT a setup are likely the Ones who think 9/11 was caused by an ex-CIA agent inciting 19 religion-crazed men to hijack airplanes and expertly fly them into buildings.
good grief, this guy spent 2 and a half hours reporting the info on sandy hook so far! and he plans on reporting more later. (to me, he looks like brad pitt)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fIdNl_KwEo
(http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/192376_328879310558849_741341059_o.jpg)
This just came through on Facebook. Some of you might find it interesting.
Another oddity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv3XJ6Qi4PA
with the nun habit comments, are they trying to say that people wearing something like abayas were seen at the location? i don't think muslims would stoop that low unless it was a revenge killing for drone attacks on civilian areas in afghanistan and pakistan. and i can't imagine nuns doing it, as i can't think of a single motive a nun would have. dang sure muslim women wouldn't have done it. could've been occult related, i suppose, or drug war retaliation or ....well the possibilities are near endless.
emily..
.....i have a sister who is 6 yrs younger when we were growing up the 'good ' dresses were passed down and the younger one felt 'grown up' to get them
in our family photoes..you can't tell my sister and i apart unless the date is on the back or other people are in the shot
young siblings do look very much alike
...aunt being confused and saying she had older sisters..have you ever mis spoke and not realized it till it was pointed out..she was probably trying to say emily was the older sister and a good example
....i didn't hear anything about nun stuff and i listened twice..
...the prop guy was from a near by town and put that on the map..haven't you come across folks who have down this
.... of course i would not argue that the news gets sanitized...
BUT..yep big butt here
But haven't you become aware yet of how the first news guys on the scene sorta kinda blow it up a little so that they have the best story going
they do get things wrong...not all corrections later are of the news being sanitized..
guess what..some are really correcting
... many different stories..
have you ever taken witness statments at an accident
from person to person very little of it matches and very little of it is fact..
all of our observations are colored by our own lives and experiences and the explaining of what was seen seldom matches
... as far as no tears...let me tell you something
i had a sister at 29 who rolled a jeep and died..leaving a 10 yr old in icu with head injuries
did we smile and even laugh at the funeral..yeah...it's called trying to remember the good times
i also had a brother who committed suicide....and while in shock tears just don't form and
words get twisted as you speak..it's called shock
the real tragedy here..in my un humble opinion is the trying to make something out of a real tragedy..just to satisfy a need to believe that somehow there are big bad folks at work and we are stupid to not see it
well i guess you've got my number on who i think are the stupids
it's real interesting that only questions are asked and fingers are pointed and a total regurgitation
on on the stories..over and over
but when it come to digging..really digging for facts and reasons and what really happened so that you can get some answers
no body does it..
i don't think you can use the title of researcher any longer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wymUIE4Nvqo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhI64eAWFdk
Quote from: sky otter on January 17, 2013, 06:26:05 PM
the real tragedy here..in my un humble opinion is the trying to make something out of a real tragedy..just to satisfy a need to believe that somehow there are big bad folks at work and we are stupid to not see it
We still had the usual scenario of the media first talking about multiple shooters, complete with footage/sightings of unidentified people leaving the scene, which then was condensed down into an official story of only one shooter, otter.
You can say that the TDKR map thing is screwy if you want; that's fine. I'm not, however, dismissing the above, because it's a standard feature in these shootings. It comes up every time. If these were just a case of some random nut going off, you wouldn't have those sorts of consistent elements.
It comes up every time. If these were just a case of some random nut going off, you wouldn't have those sorts of consistent elements.
pets r 4 us
i think you need to connect with the jesse ventura mind control thing..that covers it pretty clearly
I have been thinking about this tragedy...
It weighs heavy on my heart.
I think you have some very valid points sky.
I have read several stories today, and from them I
think any story that claims this did not happen,
and the story is a hoax is just off base.
I dont know who is responsible in large part, or small...
it could be a test to see how people react to a real tragedy,
and then how they react to have a huge backlash calling
it a hoax.
Many children are dead, and that is a fact. That is a tragedy!
Who did this, well it seems there are a lot of inconsistencies
to the story. Maybe time will tell, maybe it wont.
I dont think the shooting is a "hoax"....I think there is much
to the story we dont know, and I am holding off to say much
more until more documentation has been released.
I am going to post this article here, I dont think I have seen
this posted anywhere else.
It does answer a few questions, yet then it raises more questions
than it answers.
http://norwalk.dailyvoice.com/police-fire/shooting-newtowns-sandy-hook-elementary-school
Its late, so I am just going to make the point that in the latter
part of this article a woman witness said that 5 children ran
through her backyard at 9:30 am.
She lives about a mile away from the school as far as i can tell....
on google.
I pondered this for an hour, till I cant anymore.
It just does not add up.
If someone can show me how it does, I would really appreciate it.
Kind regards to everyone,
bts
I would like to read one clear, explicit, documented account regarding every GUN that was involved in this case.
He used an AR-15, he only used hand guns and there were 2............. no, there were 4 handguns....... no, he used both rifle and handguns..............the rifle was left in the car, ......no, that was a shotgun...
There should NOT be any ambiguity about how these people died or what weapons were used. It should be clear from the evidence left behind.
guys i agree there are a tons of conflicting reports about this
my main thought is that you can not turn a horrible event
into a consparicy/hoax for that reason
the continuing to hype it rather than try and find real answers is very annoying...to me
so as hard as i tried to back away i wasn't successful and posted
i do know some folk with mental health issues and i do know some folk with anger issues
and i do know they would be capable of something bad if the switch in their heads got flipped
as awful as this..? ? ?
and i also know a good number of law enforcement folk and i know that they would keep as much of the details under raps that they could
but stories leak and stuff gets changed all the time..youi know how it works
i will give the one news network some credit though cause as this played out on tv the guy kept saying..this is what we are being told now and it may not be correct or the whole story...
good for him
so i guess my main point is you can't call or belive that something is a conspiacy/hoax just because of conflicting reports about it
to change a line
who ya gonna (call) believe...?
There's a story just emerging today that the Army sprayed St. Louis with zinc cadmium sulfate during the Cold War, just to see what would happen.
Do we need to consider the experiments with long term syphylis on blacks? Testing biological warfare agents in subways? Did they ever find the WMD's in Iraq?
Is it so difficult to believe that competent psychopaths could gravitate to the highest levels of government and business?
ok.. perfect example
the only thing you know for sure is
There's a story just emerging today
the rest is your feelings because of stuf you think you know ...i am not trying to pick a fight on this..just saying that you need to look at it without emotions and from a step or two back
consider this..we are being played
We ARE BEING PLAYED. That's the whole point!
Quote from: Eighthman on January 19, 2013, 07:17:53 PM
We ARE BEING PLAYED. That's the whole point!
But by who (or should it be 'whom'?)?
From what I have seen, it's very easy to manipulate people to make them think that some event was intended with a specific purpose, so, in this case, it's possible that we are being played so we do not believe that this was the action of a lone man with mental issues when in fact it was.
For example, I have seen people say that, like in other cases (9/11 and some other case I don't remember) there was some kind of FEMA training going on near the area. Does may mean that someone is conditioning people to think that, whenever there's some FEMA training (or whatever it was) then it's possible that there will be some kind of attack.
The possibilities are really many, and the government is not the only one that knows how to manipulate people, it's just the one with most resources.
ok..first off.. I DON"T KNOW WHO/M
trying to break it down for myself
> it could be more than one group
> it could be for more than one reason
when i step back i try to look at what the reasults are so far with this stuff
what i come up with is
to totally finish off any trust you had in any current mostly large organization
i.e ..government or corporate or institutions
so can i think of any reason why no trust in anything would be an accomplishment
and what purpose would it serve
divide and conquer just yells at me
and then i go again who and why
so far on one hand this jumps into my brain
multiple groups looking to be the 'savior'
and take over in some way with the slogan of 'fixing it'
are they trying to wipe out the current 'top guys' so they can be them?
i don't know...
i don't know a lot of stuff..like
who THEY are and would THEY be plural and fight amoungst themselves
then on the other hand i think..
we (humanity) have put ourselves in such a corner with our lack of conservatorship of the planet that we are starting to just grab
what we can for ourselves before it's all used up and we croak
wow..didn't mean to go into a rant...sorry about that
but
i will maintain my one little point that....nothing is as it seems on the surface
sigh
and i will not follow any group....i will think for myself and be as kind as i can while doing it
back to the seed catalogs for me
::)
Look.
Ask yourself this... who would use this to their advantage, and to what advantage?
How often are attempts to manipulate the public so obvious.
What is the result of the event, and who can profit from this... politically, economocally, socially...
This isn't the first event to spark my interest or attention... lets see if anyone else can name the event that first had me EXPECTING this kind of thing to happen. There are bread crumbs people, follow them backwards...
Quote from: Deathcoyote on January 19, 2013, 08:43:08 PM
Ask yourself this... who would use this to their advantage, and to what advantage?
Who? Almost everyone. You can start by the ones that first got something out of this, the media. Does that mean that they were the ones behind it? No, it means only that they could (and probably did) play things in a way that was most advantageous to them.
QuoteHow often are attempts to manipulate the public so obvious.
That's what I was saying, how can we know what is being manipulated? Are "they" (whoever "they" are) making this look like a hoax on purpose? To me that sounds more likely than faking the killing of dozens of people. Knowing what we know of these killing sprees, "they" just had to wait for the next one to play their cards.
QuoteWhat is the result of the event, and who can profit from this... politically, economocally, socially...
The result? Too soon to know, for now, those that have profited the most are the ones presenting their own theories, making YouTube videos that get thousands of views (and get advertising money in return).
What kind of profit can they get from this? Any kind, political, economical, social, etc.
Qui Bono? Who benefits?
Unless the Cabal are utter fools, they should be able to see that a near revolution is about to sweep them out of power. How so?
3-D printing - potentially of almost anything, including guns
Impending default on sovereign debt, everywhere
Loss of growth in mass markets and demographics that predict it will exist indefinitely
potential collapse of fiat currencies and disappearance of accumulated wealth by the 1% thereby
full disclosure of UFO's and loss of control provided by religion
Possible exposure of free energy technology leading to the end of oil companies, oil rich nations, utilities, terror funding, and all hysteria about climate change
Loss of control of information because of the internet and the decline of mass media
I believe we are seeing desperate, often violent or extreme actions taking place because the Powers That Be are becoming terrified. You are witnessing near panic.
Quote from: Eighthman on January 20, 2013, 12:05:06 AM
3-D printing - potentially of almost anything, including guns
Can anyone have one of those printers?
Quotefull disclosure of UFO's and loss of control provided by religion
Yeah, right. I doubt we will ever see the first, I doubt that it will imply the second.
QuotePossible exposure of free energy technology leading to the end of oil companies, oil rich nations, utilities, terror funding, and all hysteria about climate change
Yeah, right, again. Dream on.
QuoteLoss of control of information because of the internet and the decline of mass media
That has been happening for years (mostly in the last two years), and what can we see? Most people still believe in what they see on TV, they do not get their information from the Internet.
QuoteI believe we are seeing desperate, often violent or extreme actions taking place because the Powers That Be are becoming terrified. You are witnessing near panic.
I don't think so, and one reason is that panic is not organised. And I don't think we are seeing "desperate, often violent or extreme actions" because of TPTB are terrified or even very worried.
8th man,
Your analysis may well be correct !
It certainly answers a lot of the issues being considered.
Ref to one of your other posts about changing times, and
Anticipated events that may well not happen,
Such as invasion of Iran...
It has not ocurred as yet ! Hopefully won't !
It would be nice to think some other power may
Be watching over us to prevent such things..
And if they are here or observing from above,
Then I am sure we invite their good intentions.
1) 3-D printers - yes, anyone can buy one. The new ones are falling below 2K in price and CNC or Laser based systems can handle metal. There are projects being developed to 3-D print small buildings and 3-D print a car! Staples in Europe is planning to put them in their stores for customer use.
2)UFO Disclosure - who says that UFO Disclosure will be done willingly? There are a wide variety of scenarios in which disclosure occurs inspite of government opposition - no different from Federal failure in the War on Drugs, the war in Afghanistan (uh... we lost) or any other attempt to keep any conspiracy secret currently. Who says that China or India or other nations are willing to accept US demands to keep ET's secret?
and religion? Why is it even necessary to discuss this? Does anyone really think that Aliens will identify themselves as Muslim, Christian or Jewish? All revealed religions will fade away.
I told the above to a Buddhist class recently and they had no trouble understanding it.
3)Free Energy? Well, currently there are at least 3 entities trying to roll out the Rossi device. Toyota funded a 'cold fusion' study that proved transmutation. The evidence is there, if anyone wants to accept it.
Oh, and if they merely developed A Really Good Battery, that would be almost enough, by itself, to wreck the whole fossil fuel based economy. I'm not the first to say this.
4) The Internet - Mainstream outlets such as Newsweek and the NY Times are dying. More and more people are getting their news from the internet while broadcast TV viewership is fading. And as for the Cabal......
Talk to David Wilcock about the father and son who were brutally murdered, execution-style after running a web site that tried to expose the shadier aspects of the Federal Reserve.
Talk to Andrew McGuire, long time trader who tried to expose silver market manipulation by TBTJ banks. He was nearly killed, soon after, by having his car deliberately rammed ( after which the criminals were caught - and just let go!)
The Big Banks conspired with the FBI to suppress Occupy Wall Street and have them considered terrorists.(recently revealed thru published documents). Why ? What were they afraid of?
Or consider the scandal of prosecutorial abuse of power that led to the suicide of a highly effective internet freedom advocate (Aaron S.).
Jimmy Savile sexually abused hundreds of kids over many decades, without anyone ever stopping him, even though well placed political and medical authorities knew about it. It is believed he could do this because he had protection from powerful people in the British government, who were also doing this. There is a large investigation now going on..... and no, this isn't just British tabloid stuff anymore.
It's all unraveling. They are alarmed about it. They even had to schedule an emergency non-annual Bilderberg meeting in Italy to discuss it a few months ago.
Quote from: Eighthman on January 20, 2013, 12:05:06 AM
Qui Bono? Who benefits?
Unless the Cabal are utter fools, they should be able to see that a near revolution is about to sweep them out of power. How so?
3-D printing - potentially of almost anything, including guns
Impending default on sovereign debt, everywhere
Loss of growth in mass markets and demographics that predict it will exist indefinitely
potential collapse of fiat currencies and disappearance of accumulated wealth by the 1% thereby
full disclosure of UFO's and loss of control provided by religion
Possible exposure of free energy technology leading to the end of oil companies, oil rich nations, utilities, terror funding, and all hysteria about climate change
Loss of control of information because of the internet and the decline of mass media
I believe we are seeing desperate, often violent or extreme actions taking place because the Powers That Be are becoming terrified. You are witnessing near panic.
I might guess that is Their plan - so that They can set Obama up as Our new Hitler, send in the heavy artillery for any major trouble spots, and create the Fourth Reich. Here in the US and eventually planetwide.
the fourth reich is a handful of caucasians (semitic) and a whole bunch of black people. it's really not the fourth reich, it is an attempt to duplicate anu (amen), enki and enlil's egyptian empire, without actually admitting that
enki had anything to do with it. so it's a fake version.
since we know anu is always on an away mission, that leaves enlil. and enlil is an environmentalist extraordinaire. he doesn't like humans on "his" planet.
hold onto your hats, this could get a little rough
Quote from: Eighthman on January 20, 2013, 03:37:13 AM
1) 3-D printers - yes, anyone can buy one. The new ones are falling below 2K in price and CNC or Laser based systems can handle metal.
I don't even have 100€ to spend in something like that, so not anyone can buy them. And what do they use to make the objects?
Quote2)UFO Disclosure - who says that UFO Disclosure will be done willingly? There are a wide variety of scenarios in which disclosure occurs inspite of government opposition - no different from Federal failure in the War on Drugs, the war in Afghanistan (uh... we lost) or any other attempt to keep any conspiracy secret currently. Who says that China or India or other nations are willing to accept US demands to keep ET's secret?
I didn't mean to say that UFO disclosure will not happen because of the US government, as I doubt there is any thing major to disclose.
Quoteand religion? Why is it even necessary to discuss this?
Because you mentioned it. :)
QuoteDoes anyone really think that Aliens will identify themselves as Muslim, Christian or Jewish? All revealed religions will fade away.
Why will they fade away? Where in any of the above mentioned official writings does it say that god only created and populated the Earth? I only read the Old Testament and the Koran, but I don't remember seeing it.
QuoteI told the above to a Buddhist class recently and they had no trouble understanding it.
I don't have any trouble understanding it, it looks more like the people that say that religion will disappear are expecting something that makes it happen, so their wishful thinking kicks in and they can only see that as a result.
Quote3)Free Energy? Well, currently there are at least 3 entities trying to roll out the Rossi device. Toyota funded a 'cold fusion' study that proved transmutation. The evidence is there, if anyone wants to accept it.
I'm still waiting for free (not based on some secret component or on some kind of "fuel" that is not freely available. If I wanted to (and if I had the money to do it) I could build my own solar and/or wind generator and have free electricity.
Quote4) The Internet - Mainstream outlets such as Newsweek and the NY Times are dying. More and more people are getting their news from the internet while broadcast TV viewership is fading.
The funny thing is that, if you ask people on the street, they will tell you about what they saw on TV, from all the people I know only one or two get their information from the Internet.
QuoteAnd as for the Cabal......
Talk to David Wilcock about the father and son who were brutally murdered, execution-style after running a web site that tried to expose the shadier aspects of the Federal Reserve.
I suppose there's clear proof that that was the reason behind it, because if there isn't any then it's just speculation.
QuoteTalk to Andrew McGuire, long time trader who tried to expose silver market manipulation by TBTJ banks. He was nearly killed, soon after, by having his car deliberately rammed ( after which the criminals were caught - and just let go!)
But he is still alive? Why?
QuoteThe Big Banks conspired with the FBI to suppress Occupy Wall Street and have them considered terrorists.(recently revealed thru published documents). Why ? What were they afraid of?
Losing money, probably. :)
QuoteOr consider the scandal of prosecutorial abuse of power that led to the suicide of a highly effective internet freedom advocate (Aaron S.).
If it was a suicide then it was his own fault.
QuoteJimmy Savile sexually abused hundreds of kids over many decades, without anyone ever stopping him, even though well placed political and medical authorities knew about it. It is believed he could do this because he had protection from powerful people in the British government, who were also doing this. There is a large investigation now going on..... and no, this isn't just British tabloid stuff anymore.
Where are is the proof that this is related to the FBI, the big banks and all of the above? Power abusing people are everywhere (even in Internet forums ;D ), that doesn't mean that they are all working together for the same end.
QuoteIt's all unraveling. They are alarmed about it. They even had to schedule an emergency non-annual Bilderberg meeting in Italy to discuss it a few months ago.
Is there any real evidence that that meeting existed? I could only find sites saying that the meeting was going to happen on a hotel where there was a film festival going one, something completely stupid for such a large organisation to do, specially when we know that they have the possibility of using private places for their meetings.
And no, I don't think they are alarmed, just cautious, because TPTB know that when the situation is "volatile" it can change direction very quickly. They would be alarmed if they had signs that the situation was already changing direction, and I don't see any signs of that.
Quote from: undo11 on January 20, 2013, 10:15:59 AM
the fourth reich is a handful of caucasians (semitic) and a whole bunch of black people. it's really not the fourth reich, it is an attempt to duplicate anu (amen), enki and enlil's egyptian empire, without actually admitting that
enki had anything to do with it. so it's a fake version.
since we know anu is always on an away mission, that leaves enlil. and enlil is an environmentalist extraordinaire. he doesn't like humans on "his" planet.
hold onto your hats, this could get a little rough
I imagine that if Humans don't stop accounting for meaningful energy expended, don't take the reigns of the planet - which, if We have Ea's DNA, We are the inheritors of - it WILL get ugly. "A little rough" is likely a gross understatement.
The discussion that was trailing off was moved here,
where it seems to fit :)
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=157.msg49587;topicseen#new