If you happen to believe that ET disclosure is a gradual process by aliens to avoid panic on earth, then what might we learn from recent guncontrol efforts, as to method?
If you are a politician confronted with a nasty, emotional issue in which people become violently inflamed, you have two practical choices:
1) make the changes gradually over a long span of time so that people can adapt without excess opposition ( think Lincoln and slavery)
2) make the changes very rapidly, amidst crisis and confusion before anyone has a chance to analyse what's really happening.
NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo rammed gun control thru, giving the legislature 20 minutes to read the bill. Obama is trying to do the same thing. Practical politics, whatever your viewpoint....
So, what about Full Disclosure of ETs? The gradual path has met a dead end as Photoshop and internet garbage have wrecked any chance of proof - except for open manifestation.
If disclosure is the alien's agenda, they may now have no choice but to expose this Grand Truth rapidly amidst crisis and global emergencies, so that there 'is no time to think about it' , as human politicians do. The claim of some psychics about "The Event" could have a basis in logic.
Eighthman
Quote from: Eighthman on January 17, 2013, 04:23:55 PM
If disclosure is the alien's agenda, they may now have no choice but to expose this Grand Truth rapidly amidst crisis and global emergencies, so that there 'is no time to think about it' , as human politicians do. The claim of some psychics about "The Event" could have a basis in logic.
The Aliens have no agenda for disclosure. They have been visiting this rock for millennia and still haven't stepped forward, unless you count the stories that created our religious texts :P
The Government has no agenda to disclose anything, in fact they have more of an agenda to keep it covered up..
Gun control and maniacs shooting people have nothing to do with UFO disclosure
The UFO scene is pretty much dead at this point, AFAIK. The hybrid program ended back in the late 90s. Nothing really new has turned up in years. About the most we get is people posting videos of ambiguous flickering lights on YouTube every now and then.
Yes, I think there are some positive ET races, however I also believe that at this point, they've pretty much decided to let us figure it out for ourselves. Billy Meier himself might have been fake, but that doesn't mean I disbelieve in the Pleiadians entirely; some of the channelled material I've read from them makes a lot of sense.
Nobody is listening, though. Sasha's message about individual sovereignty is the last thing anyone in this society wants to hear. We're all obsessed with victimhood because we think it is going to benefit us to be; why work, if after being in a car wreck or something similar, you can become a millionaire via compensation?
We also don't listen to the message of sovereignty meaning that the government's perceived authority over us is essentially bullshit, either; again, because most of us want to. Most of us *want* to defer to fictitious authorities. We *want* to worship the military, and believe that we have no choice but to take it up the rear end from the police. We derive an entirely false sense of security from believing that. Having to think for ourselves, and otherwise actually behave like adults, is far too scary for some people.
We also are in no way remotely interested in learning to treat our fellow human beings better. One of the most popular ideas on this planet, is still the myth that you too can get rich, as long as you're willing to build a giant pile of corpses and then climb to the top of it. Sasha's society is one built on the idea that, because they know about the existence of other civilisations, her own species view themselves as a single family. That means that they don't view each other as tools to be used and discarded for a single individual's own benefit, and it also means that they aren't willing to accept a scenario where any of them eat, while the rest of them starve.
I'm currently having this conversation with a group of individuals on 4chan, who are far more nihilistic and emotionally crippled than the people here. As I said to them though, so I say to you; while we all talk about the myriad reasons why TAP won't work, the single main reason why it won't work, is purely because virtually nobody is willing to work towards a scenario, which is to the benefit of anybody but themselves. Americans in particular are the single most selfish group of people on the planet; and THAT is the major obstacle.
A minor digression, perhaps; but my point? Disclosure is irrelevant at this stage in the game. We're not going to be hearing from negative/STS ETs, because they're too busy working with governments on more ways to screw us over; and we're not going to hear from the positives, because at this point they are tired of taking our crap, of having the advice that they repeatedly try and give us being completely ignored, and of being accused of being demons when they try and help us.
We're on our own.
Not so fast:
Did Sleeper suggest that inspiration and technology may come into our minds from ET's?
Does credible intervention in regard to nuclear weapons suggest that aliens are interested in us?
Are there other odd incidents that suggest intervention, especially in regard to war? Or asteroids/CME's?
The only question I have on this is, how far are they willing to go?
wellllllll
there isn't going to be any official disclousure..
offical disclosure is the same as Y2K and 12-21-12..just lots of talk
you either know, think or belive they are here
or
you think any thing about aliens is talk of folk crossing borders
but hey
here's some fun
maybe we can start a good conspiracy about this..
i mean just look at the shape..and the names involved
humans are sooo slow.................but fun to watch
(http://i17.servimg.com/u/f17/13/55/53/83/image10.jpg)
and hey maybe it is connected to this
Tens of thousands of dead fish wash ashore on South Carolina beach
Jan. 17, 2013: Two boxers train under the glow of the Haslingden Halo Panopticon in Rawtenstall, England, on Jan. 15. The installation, designed by John Kennedy of LandLab, sits on a hill called Top o' Slate, a reclaimed landfill site in East Lancashire, & has become a major landmark since opening in 2011. The steel structure is the centerpiece of several works of art that are part of the local initiative to recover neglected land throughout the region for public use. (© Christopher Furlong/Getty Images)
Additionally, whether we are talking about mainstream religion or the book of Enoch or legends of helpful gods among Mayans or Sumerians, we can observe the same thought/behavior: interventions intended to help humans progress.
Are we naive enough to think that these actions are passing whims from an alien culture that is almost eternal? Is there any resonance from a StarTrek first contact scenario? In which Contact happens when interstellar travel is achieved?
In regard to popular morality, here too I see impending change. We may have gone as far as we can in a moral self organization that is based mostly on tradition and religious fixations.
The proper and lasting moral basis of a more advanced society ought to at least partly involve psychic ability or a partial merging of minds towards the interests of the group. Mr. Spock, anyone?
Indeed, the mass development of such ability would propel us into peace and prosperity almost automatically.
Quote from: Eighthman on January 17, 2013, 09:54:15 PM
Not so fast:
Did Sleeper suggest that inspiration and technology may come into our minds from ET's?
Inspiration, whether from the mind of ET, or divine presence, or the Akashic Records or from the Force that IS the Cosmos... thta is PERSONAL revelation, not disclosure on a massive scale
QuoteDoes credible intervention in regard to nuclear weapons suggest that aliens are interested in us?
NO! Because so far the only 'intervention" has been EM effects that are most likely caused by curious plasma critters getting to close or human error.
QuoteAre there other odd incidents that suggest intervention, especially in regard to war? Or asteroids/CME's?
No there are no other cases of intervention that can be shown DIRECTLY are caused by aliens Asteroids and CME's? Those "suggest interventions" are mostly CTers misrepresentations like saying the boosters falling away from a Russian rocket launch are UFO's destroying a missile. Heck its not even 'falling' its merely going into space down range and gives the illusion its 'falling'
QuoteThe only question I have on this is, how far are they willing to go?
If they cared a rats ass about intervention, they would have sent down a force and taken over the running of this place :D