http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeZuYO-bNfY
I am aware of the fact that at this point, Dr Steven Greer is apparently not terribly well-regarded in at least some quarters. The apparent consensus on ATS was that he was a commercialistic fraud. Be that as it may, this film potentially still has far reaching, and, we can hope, positive implications; and I for one am looking forward to its' release. We can hope that Greer does not suffer any "accidents," and that the film is released on schedule.
i think all ufo related material is interesting. i don't spend time trying to decide who is good or bad in that regard, i just review the information. if i think it's inaccurate, i must have a very good reason to say so, such as obvious photomanipulation. so i don't mind steve's stuff or john lear's stuff or anyone else who talks on the subject.
where most christians struggle with the information is: are they from other planets or other dimensions? and if other dimensional, that puts them squarely in the frame of spiritual entities of ancient texts. if other planets, that puts them squarely in the frame of references to travel thru the sky in ancient texts, which may or may not be other dimensional evidence as well, depending on if you are seeing the whole craft, a technological aberration such as a partially cloaked ship, or a 4th dimensional craft, appearing in an odd way to the viewer due to 3rd dimensional limitations.
first, thank you for your post.
a couple of observations:
Quote from: petrus4
I am aware of the fact that at this point, Dr Steven Greer is apparently not terribly well-regarded in at least some quarters.
Well, Dr. Steven Greer did a terrific work 10 years ago with the Disclosure Project,
bringing dozens of witnesses from the military and intelligence.
This is a fact.
Not to mention the 2001 Press Conference at the Washington Press Club.
Another fact.
If few or many, on ATS or elsewhere, are so dumb and ignorant to dismiss or riducule Greer's work,
it means they have not studied it and that their mental capabilities are very limited.
So it is THEIR problem.
Quote from: petrus4
The apparent consensus on ATS was that he was a commercialistic fraud.
Wherever there is a "consensus" on anything,
I know the truth is in a different direction.
I will be more that happy to view Dr. Greer's new movie.
I am not sure about Greer either, but hey lets's give it a look see before we judge it.
At least he is putting something out for people to watch.
Looks like he is moving back towards ET disclosure...and a little away from free energy disclosure..
I have a great deal of "trouble" with Greer. He is a man that left a successful career as a MD to "hawk" ET and disclosure.
When I discovered that I was, in all likelyhood, ET; I didn't suddenly stop being a software engineer and become "full time ET", that was more than 20 years ago. No, I continued my career as an engineer up to the time that I "sort of" retired. And, even though I like to "push" the ET aspect, it still has to make room for the engineer.
What I'd like to "see" Greer disclose is his sources, especially in regards to the Sirian people. I have this feeling that he is going to make out like the Sirians are the very "good" ETs that will help Earth. I don' think this will be the case.
The Sirians discovered and colonized the Earth some 6000 - 8000 years ago, and the neighborhood has been going downhill ever since. The colonies failed, by the way, and the stories of "giants", etc. that "slept" with Human women came about. By the way ... there may be evidence of that in the Terrestrial genetic record (DNA), the remains of this Sirian occupation may also be the source of "stories" of TPTB.
My sources: Andromedan Cultural and Historic database, Sirian Historical records.
This may be of interest... ;)
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3322.msg46957#msg46957
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/lg50aa500a.gif) (//http://)
Funny how this all ties together...
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3582.msg49889;topicseen#new
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJtBpmsBd5s
George Knapp was joined by ufologist Grant Cameron who discussed his analysis of government leaks into the classified world of UFOs. Historian and UFO researcher Richard Dolan appeared in the first half of the 2nd hour to talk about Cameron's new book and aviator John Lear joined the conversation in the second half of the 3rd hour.
Grant Cameron pointed out that a lot of the information that is "leaked" out is actually disinfo. The true Classified documents are held tightly and if someone were to leak them they or their family would be disposed of.
Soooo......what is in this movie?????
Quote from: thorfourwinds on January 28, 2013, 07:32:11 PM
This may be of interest... ;)
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3322.msg46957#msg46957
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/lg50aa500a.gif) (//http://)
This is true, Thor. We can speculate about Greer supposedly being a fraud and a troll. We can acknowledge the fact that participants in the moonlit UFO hunts on his property have to sign non-disclosure agreements. Yet at the same time, Steven Greer is still a man who has been willing to take an enormous amount of pseudoskeptical abuse, as well as heat from a relentlessly depraved and degenerate government, up to the point of risking his life, in order to promote a cause that he considers of vital importance to his fellow man.
If Greer wants to hold weekend NDA-bound love-ins at his place of residence and charge $1500 a head, I truthfully do not consider that much more than a normal character flaw. My own father has a far greater degree of affection for money than I consider wholesome, yet I try not to hold it against him too much. Even if Dr Greer was proven to be a fraud in every other respect, there was one quote made at the end of the
Sirius trailer, which I consider completely worthwhile.
"It isn't about overthrowing the Pentagon. It's about leaving it behind."
Quote from: petrus4 on January 28, 2013, 09:59:27 PM
We can speculate about Greer supposedly being a fraud and a troll.
I don't think speculation is necessary as the evidence is in the public domain and based on the actions of Dr Greer .
From his now legendary $800 a peek Moth picture to his latest tiny Alien mummy claim which after some investigation I believe is one of these ... A Kappa mummy from the Japanese Edo period
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/df511012cd.jpg)
QuoteThis mummified kappa, which now resides in a Dutch museum, appears to consist of various animal parts put together in a seamless whole. It is believed to have been created for the purpose of carnival entertainment in the Edo period.
http://naturalplane.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/monster-mummies-of-japan.html (http://naturalplane.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/monster-mummies-of-japan.html)
In my view Dr Greer has two interests , Steven Greer and money .. Aliens and UFOs are just a way for him to promote one and amass the other .
Sorry my first post had to be a negative one :)
Does anyone know about this ??
Thanks!!
Sirius Film Feat. Dr. Steven Greer By Emmy Winning Amardeep Kaleka Opens April 22
Inspired by the work of Dr. Steven Greer, directed by Emmy Award winning Amardeep Kaleka and funded by the highest documentary crowd-funding in history, 'Sirius' introduces a DNA sequenced humanoid of unknown classification to the world and sheds definitive light on the scientific reality of UFO's, ET's, and Advanced Alternative Energy Technology. 'Sirius' is narrated by actor Thomas Jane (HBO series 'Hung').
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/4/prweb10591131.htm
Greer looks like he's on steroids.
Honestly, the movies coming out have been so wretched that I can't wait to see this. Interesting little fake alien.
I heard about it, but didn't know when it was to be released. Thanks Carver for the info. ;)
I think this is real. The Xray is way to good to just HOAX. Because its so small.
Way to much pictures, close ups and people involved.
Following this thread with interest.
I haven't looked into the DNA sequence data. If any has been made available - which it should be if it is to have any scientific value - I will be able to shed any light on whether the DNA comes from a terrestrial monkey for a start. If the data is not published then more snake oil available so buy mine please. :P
ETA: I may reconsider whether there is any value in posting a real scientific analysis but still won't post it using my real name.
Well, I was hoping that "For Once" we may have a chance for full disclosure, but as we have contended here with in these forums as far as this happening, the Greer connection will reach a new level of CIA and psy-ops association with in the UFO-ology and Alien entity disclosure process.
Either way, it is not good for Mr. Greer and his professional stance on these matters being weighed as necessary.
QuoteWhile "Sirius" doesn't completely live up to the "alien entity" hype that's been generated over the past few weeks, it does offer many points of view from legitimate investigators trying to provide as much information to the public about the UFO-ET subject.
Test Results On Ata, The '6-Inch Alien' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/sirius-documentary-dna-re_n_3135628.html)
Too me, the above sounds like covering tracks, and who wouldn't, there has been much enthusiasm for this disclosure with in the UFO community, now dulled by it's extreme amount of re-handling and a decade of nothing but rhetorical submissive assumptions.
Done Deal.
1WW
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on April 24, 2013, 05:28:45 PM
Well, I was hoping that "For Once" we may have a chance for full disclosure,
We do. It has been disclosed that this is probably human.
Quote"The sequence that we got from the mitochondria [energy factories of cells] tells us with extremely high confidence that the mother was an indigenous Indian from the Chilean area. The other thing that immediately fell out of the analysis is that it's male. It probably died in the last century, if I were to make a guess."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/sirius-documentary-dna-re_n_3135628.html
What a joke this little alien circus side show is/was.
Last night on coast they had the great sauroid reptilian barker on making all kind of noises about his little alien figurine. To throw off serious thinking they deluded the spectacular event with numerous names chiming in when questions got tough from snoory, but questions from snoory are never tough, in fact they most the time are lame and childish with no actual getting into the subject for any answers that make sense for anyone looking for solid answers.
It was ridiculously performed as if it's some profound finding to change the way mankind thinks historically of itself and the last guy they should have present the side show is snoory.
Maybe someone like Richard Dolan or anyone with credibility in these things should ask questions about the findings. What I got out of it was the things 6 inches tall, 6 to 8 years old and that's it.
I did like how the sauroid reptiliculous walked over snoory when he began to repeat his scripted question and was cut off by reptilicouses ego.
Quote from: Gigas on April 24, 2013, 06:29:26 PM
What a joke this little alien circus side show is/was.
I find it amusing.
The problem is it makes people who research more interesting related material afraid to risk their credibility by getting involved openly. Even nuts like me have to hide behind an avatar. :o
Quote from: Pimander on April 24, 2013, 06:35:28 PM
The problem is it makes people who research more interesting related material afraid to risk their credibility by getting involved openly. Even nuts like me have to hide behind an avatar. :o
And with THAT statement you have just answered the WHY :P
Quote from: zorgon on April 24, 2013, 06:43:16 PM
And with THAT statement you have just answered the WHY :P
Agreed. Frustrating but true.
PROJECT SIRIUS!
Does anyone know of any other Project Sirius or similar named projects? That might be a lead I'd suggest.
"That which is not explicit is the fittest for instruction because it rouses the faculties to act." ~ William Blake (Chief of the Druids)
"You cannot be Sirius" ~ John McKenroe (is that how you spell it?)
That thing looks like it's made out of that funky plastic.
Quote from: VillageIdiot on April 24, 2013, 11:35:14 PM
That thing looks like it's made out of that funky plastic.
That's what I thought too VI, looks very suspicious, but, if Greer says it's a Alien/Humanoid, I have to believe him, Right? ::) :-X
1WW
QuoteAs the film opens, we see Greer going into a college auditorium in Santa Monica, the audience being checked with metal detectors for weapons. "Most people don't know what a Dead Man Trigger is." Very few people need one. But Greer has one - if the Conspiracy rubs him out, lots of sensitive documents get sent out to influential people. Excuse me while I barf - If Greer actually had any documents as hot as all that, he would have given them to the press long ago. . . .
This guy complains the $10 was a wasted $10 on sirius.
The show must go on!
Step right up and don't be shy
Because you will not believe your eyes
It's right here behind the glass
And you're gonna like her 'cause she's got class
You can look inside another world
Oh ya!.
http://www.theufochronicles.com/2013/04/i-wasted-10-to-watch-greers-ufo.html (http://www.theufochronicles.com/2013/04/i-wasted-10-to-watch-greers-ufo.html)
If we can believe what they said and showed us in the movie Sirius!
I took away from the movie that they proved beyond doubt that it was not a fake and that the little guy was real. They also only said that it was at least half human. Having a human mother. The rest was left out. The father? They stated is was 6 to 8 years old upon death and most likely killed by a blunt object to the head. Ouch! The official report was inconclusive and more tests need to be done. They did say that no know illness caused this mutation. But there might be mutations they don't know about.
They did mention that they wondered how big it was at birth. Seeing it was at least 6 to 8 years old on death and only 6 inches. But look at kangaroos. How small they are at birth and then make their way to a pouch to grow up. In a lot of animals and fish, the babies are so small a birth that they are hard to even see. Sturgeon grow from an egg to over 2 meters long. etc.
Stay tuned and have your money ready at the door...............Deuem
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on April 25, 2013, 12:13:41 AM
That's what I thought too VI, looks very suspicious, but, if Greer says it's a Alien/Humanoid, I have to believe him, Right? ::) :-X
Why is it in all these cases we never get an acredited lab that is INDEPENDANT to study, test or verify these things? Seems to me you would want someone nuetral to verify your work...
The "Turkey" UFO they sent the film out to be tested and the test proved the FILM was real... but NOT what the film showed. But that was enough to say "See? we told you it's real... the labe says so"
Dr Lier will not let anyone else examine those implants he took out of people... and he says he has a piece of Roswell but won't let amyone examine that either...
Phil Schnieder waved around a piece of Corbomite, element 140, really heavy... but no one wanted to test it?
Nassim Haramein has "Mayan" stones of unknown orgin that show aliens and look nothing like Mayan art... yet National Geo believed him
Yeah so you should believe Greer because he says so... everyone else gets away with it :D
I think I will go back to speaking with Elves and Faeries... might as well... at least THOSE are real :P
Quote from: deuem on April 26, 2013, 05:22:17 AM
If we can believe what they said and showed us in the movie Sirius!
I took away from the movie that they proved beyond doubt that it was not a fake and that the little guy was real. They also only said that it was at least half human. Having a human mother. The rest was left out.
Oooooh! It was human?
Big deal. Bovine exc....
Quote from: Pimander on April 24, 2013, 06:35:28 PM
I find it amusing.
The problem is it makes people who research more interesting related material afraid to risk their credibility by getting involved openly. Even nuts like me have to hide behind an avatar. :o
Nuts like you?!!?
You don't need to hide, everything you say coes with a little credibility. Try my stance!
I'm alost surprised at everyones reaction to this latest Greer episode. But, siriusly :) what did y'all expect. Extraterrestrial DNA, at least and interesting, interactive, intelligent, visiting extraterrestrials will not have truly "exotic" DNA, in fact our DNA is not that much different than Terrestrial Human DNA, more like "funny" markers"
Many seem to want ot attack the ET DNA, saying it is "Human", usually without knowing the real differences between Human DNA and other animals. The reality is that some other species (other than Human) can have "DNA" that is virtually identical to Humans. Take the Chimpanzee, DNA is something on the order of 98% identical to YOU. And yo think ET will be significantly different!
The data provide by Greer and others so far had been wholly insufficient. It should be considered almost criminal for Greer to make such statements and not provide the evidence. Also, this lack of real evidence is showing his real colors.
Greer and his cronies have tried to pull the wool of y'alls eyes yet again. The comedyhere is that Greer, with all his medical education, doesn't know how to show this thing of his IS ET (he prolly could if he did it right), none of his friends do either. Worst though, is Y'all, don't know how to understand his evidence (fortunately, there is little evidence, so its hard to go wrong.)
In my opinion, you will never get the kind of "proof" you want for ET. He (ET) could roll up on you , slap you in the face, and you still won't accept.
Zorgon says (I am a Spelling NAZI and I have corrected all the typos):
"Why is it in all these cases we never get an accredited lab that is INDEPENDENT to study, test or verify these things? Seems to me you would want someone neutral to verify your work..."
Hey chief...er...um...ACCREDITED means it is NOT an independent lab. DUH! Who the hell do you think grants and can therefore YANK accreditation? If I'm the first to hip you to THIS one, Zorgy baby, so be it, but here goes...the people who oversee these "labs" you say you'd like to see carry out such research all have a definite agenda, and disclosure is NOT part of it.
Let's get this conversation back to earth, or at least--let's keep it real. By the way, the ALIEN looks like Beavis from the cartoon "Beavis and Butthead," so--henceforth thusly it shall be referred to by moi...
(http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b524/JDStenzel/BEAVIS_zpse2fcfc7d.png)
Peace and Love,
JD
Hello Anthra
QuoteWorst though, is Y'all, don't know how to understand his evidence (fortunately, there is little evidence, so its hard to go wrong.)
In my opinion, you will never get the kind of "proof" you want for ET. He (ET) could roll up on you , slap you in the face, and you still won't accept.
This is the thing for me, "How do we 'KNOW' that Greer did find any DNA at all?" From my understanding of his career with in this field, it has been time consuming, costly (Both too sciences and people being swindled by Greer) and not too mention, awfully cloak and dagger for such an eventual release of information to even happen, come on, 10 years? Really?
You don't know how bad I wish we could put this sleeping dog down, with in the Extraterrestrial possibilities, I have to agree with you that the DNA may very well mimic our's except for those "Marker's" you had mentioned, but it is (This type of forensic research) is never done by private and accredited laboratories for full disclosure.
Zorgon brought up a few really good cases of these event's being too 'Red Flag' for even accepting, and why would this be? They either don't have anything at all that is extraterrestrial or, they are getting hush funds from TPTB too not allow these case and scenario's too make it to the average Joe on the street.
There is no doubt I agree with you Anthra about the DNA possible same relative by design or construct, but why is it seemingly so hard to get answers that most Laboratories can get in a matter of weeks, not years? This makes no sense too me for the investigation in and of itself. Greer is not on my most 'Trusted' bloak's list for such thing's, as important as this is for humanity, the dog and pony show, then sideline attractions (i.e. Butterfly hunting expeditions, Invisible UFO trips) that Greer has openly and seemingly put into the equation for even further discrediting his real intent of the whole "Alien/UFO" field of research.
Just wanted to get that out there Anthra, I agree, DNA may be very similar, just wouldn't take as long as this has and with the side attractions, well, raises red flags of being rather a money thing rather than a scientific research. IMHO ;)
1WW
If I remember right, in the movie one of the scientist said he sent 4 samples to 3 labs. They did not mention the lab names. One sample of the alien, one of his blood and 2 of water. There was another doctor that refused to be on film but did prepare the final report. I would have to watch it again and take notes. They said it was not a monkey or any member of the monkey familly. Only said half human. I was dissapointed that we did not get a better answer. Don't forget it only had 10 ribs. Everything I wrote is what they said and not me saying this. Deuem
1ww,
That's the prble; we don't know if Greer is actually using DNA, nor, if he is, that it is "jr's" DNA. That is a point where we have to trust him, or refuse everything he says. The fact that it takes so long, is another bad point.
I'm not sure if you, or many of the others are aware of my history. But, I have gone down that sae road as Greer. He is doomed to fail, and I can't help but think that He knew that going in, just like I did. But, I think my expirences in this area has given me some insights that may be useful.
For instance, I think we "can" begin to "tell" something about this creature's DNA. My expirence has shown me that ET DNA may be very Terrestrial in nature, thus the wee beast should have recognizable DNA. In that, genetic sequences that belong to several species of Terrestrial animal, should also be present in the little ET. Many of the "markers", and other sapects of the creature's biology will be very much like Terrestrial animals.
None of these things takes longer thana few weeks to determine. Unless ... Greer actually goes into the process of doing a full genome analysis. He hasn't by the way, regardless of what he might say. If he had he would have been touting that from the beginning, and what it cost (rather expensive).
I have to think, that because of the "way" Greer is going about all this, it is ONLY to make money. I should be doing the same!
Bill Chalker did the same in a book he published in regard's to Alien DNA !
Knock yourself out Freely on this link ;D
http://theozfiles.blogspot.com.au/
I Found a whole new complete way to jigger around with plants over the last two day's that changes cell structure through the use of colored light that has Baffled phd's in U-WA. I find that way more interesting considering HUT (Holographic Universe Theory) than a few old hat's getting together around a campfire :P
Quote from: Anthra on April 26, 2013, 05:51:51 PM
1ww,
That's the prble; we don't know if Greer is actually using DNA, nor, if he is, that it is "jr's" DNA. That is a point where we have to trust him, or refuse everything he says. The fact that it takes so long, is another bad point.
I'm not sure if you, or many of the others are aware of my history. But, I have gone down that sae road as Greer. He is doomed to fail, and I can't help but think that He knew that going in, just like I did. But, I think my expirences in this area has given me some insights that may be useful.
For instance, I think we "can" begin to "tell" something about this creature's DNA. My expirence has shown me that ET DNA may be very Terrestrial in nature, thus the wee beast should have recognizable DNA. In that, genetic sequences that belong to several species of Terrestrial animal, should also be present in the little ET. Many of the "markers", and other sapects of the creature's biology will be very much like Terrestrial animals.
None of these things takes longer thana few weeks to determine. Unless ... Greer actually goes into the process of doing a full genome analysis. He hasn't by the way, regardless of what he might say. If he had he would have been touting that from the beginning, and what it cost (rather expensive).
I have to think, that because of the "way" Greer is going about all this, it is ONLY to make money. I should be doing the same!
My apologies for quoting your whole post Anthra, but yeah my thought is... that if someone, or something can be anylised than they MUST share the same or similiar DNA according to HUT theory to even be able to exist on this realm, which in this case is an operating table :D
My point being that if "someone" take's the form of flesh then ofc they will exhibit the same DNA in this program!
Oh, this is too silly. That thing is obviously a piece of cheap plastic. It's made of the same stuff they make those glow-in-the-dark skeletons of.
Pardon my grammar. I'm wasted. Had a tooth pulled.
I'm currently watching Sirius. I'm only about 25% of the way through, but so far, I'm not impressed. At this point I've been shown Eisenhower's speech about the MIC, along with the usual footage of white lights and dots in the sky. Said intro to a large extent felt like a retread of Thrive, more than anything else.
From there, we've moved on to footage from Greer's alien hunting trips, where I'm listening to a number of individuals talk about subjects which make them sound as though they could have been at Jonestown.
People here know that I'm an abductee, and so I really shouldn't be cynical; but this is just really boring, so far at least. The problem is that there is just nothing here that I haven't seen before. I can't actually see mainstream audiences being entertained by it, either. I'm going to keep watching, but I'm not optimistic.
I get the feeling that this really reflects the state of the UFO scene in general at this point; and if that is the case, I think people really just need to give up, more than anything else. At this point, we're not flogging a dead horse; we're flogging a carcass that has already been reduced literally to paste. There is just nothing new. Nothing at all. It's the same thing, over and over and over again. The same speeches, the same "top secret," documents, the same stock footage of lights and so on.
There's just nothing there any more.
Quote from: Anthra on April 26, 2013, 03:04:12 PM
Many seem to want ot attack the ET DNA, saying it is "Human",
What ET DNA? ???
Quoteusually without knowing the real differences between Human DNA and other animals.
There is no difference if you compare animal DNA structure to human, the difference is only in the sequence.
QuoteThe reality is that some other species (other than Human) can have "DNA" that is virtually identical to Humans. Take the Chimpanzee, DNA is something on the order of 98% identical to YOU. And yo think ET will be significantly different!
Most likely yes, unless it is linked to human in a mysterious way (e.g. created us from their DNA). If a species evolved on another planet then it will be radically different in sequence. Even species that evolved on Australasia in isolation from Africa have a greater difference than chimpanzee (which is the closest known relative to the human).
Quote
The data provide by Greer and others so far had been wholly insufficient. It should be considered almost criminal for Greer to make such statements and not provide the evidence. Also, this lack of real evidence is showing his real colors.
Agreed. Unless real evidence is released and tissue samples shared with other labs VERY QUICKLY then this is bovine excreta.
QuoteGreer and his cronies have tried to pull the wool of y'alls eyes yet again. The comedyhere is that Greer, with all his medical education, doesn't know how to show this thing of his IS ET (he prolly could if he did it right), none of his friends do either.
Or it is not ET.
QuoteWorst though, is Y'all, don't know how to understand his evidence (fortunately, there is little evidence, so its hard to go wrong.)
If it was real DNA based evidence, I definitely would be able to understand it.
QuoteIn my opinion, you will never get the kind of "proof" you want for ET. He (ET) could roll up on you , slap you in the face, and you still won't accept.
Not true. We could easily "prove to an ET we are from Earth. Presumable ET could do the same, particularly if ET is more advanced than us. Sketchy stories are NOT PROOF.
Quote from: Anynonmouses on April 26, 2013, 03:26:24 PM
the people who oversee these "labs" you say you'd like to see carry out such research all have a definite agenda, and disclosure is NOT part of it.
In military labs and most government labs this is true. However, there is no way they could keep a lid on something this big in any of the labs I have worked in. Even on classified projects you could get a sample out or leak the data. The main thing that stops that happening on sensitive programs is that the staff don't want dangerous information or material to fall into the wrong hands rather than security or pressure from superiors.
Don't forget, we don't want some crazies having deadly biological material or nuclear information. Even "evil scientists" have a vested interest in there being so called civilisation.
Quote from: VillageIdiot on April 26, 2013, 08:24:28 PM
Oh, this is too silly. That thing is obviously a piece of cheap plastic. It's made of the same stuff they make those glow-in-the-dark skeletons of.
Quote from: petrus4 on April 26, 2013, 11:13:33 PM
At this point, we're not flogging a dead horse; we're flogging a carcass that has already been reduced literally to paste. There is just nothing new. Nothing at all. It's the same thing, over and over and over again. The same speeches, the same "top secret," documents, the same stock footage of lights and so on.
Is this feeling that it is all just a joke engineered? Is it worth giving that battered paste a few more smacks?
Maybe we are not looking at the data we already have in the correct way. We could well have missed something. Have the leading lights on the UFO scene taken us in the wrong direction? I think so.
Quote from: Pimander on May 08, 2013, 10:31:52 AM
There is no difference if you compare animal DNA structure to human, the difference is only in the sequence.
Most likely yes, unless it is linked to human in a mysterious way (e.g. created us from their DNA). If a species evolved on another planet then it will be radically different in sequence. Even species that evolved on Australasia in isolation from Africa have a greater difference than chimpanzee (which is the closest known relative to the human).
Agreed. Unless real evidence is released and tissue samples shared with other labs VERY QUICKLY then this is bovine excreta.
So tell me; why should ET's DNA be so different from yours? Where ET lives isn't so different from Earth. His Star very much the same as yours. the age of ET world is about the same as Earth. So it would appear that perhaps conditions where ET is from could be very much like conditions Here on Earth. The ideas that ET's DNA sequences would be "radically different" has no foundation except in the mind of the fearful.
Quote
Or it is not ET.
If it was real DNA based evidence, I definitely would be able to understand it.
Not true. We could easily "prove to an ET we are from Earth. Presumable ET could do the same, particularly if ET is more advanced than us. Sketchy stories are NOT PROOF.
Lol... I have serious doubts that any Terrestrial, regardless of education and expirence could tell
IF DNA evidence was Terrestrial in origin or not. And it would be quite difficult for you to prove to anyone you were from Earth. And while it is possible to "prove" ET, it is difficult if everyone decides before viewing data.
No "Sketchy stories" do not prove a damn thing; do you know what a "Sketchy story" looks like? Not everythig is as it appears.
Quote from: Anthra on May 08, 2013, 02:32:36 PM
So tell me; why should ET's DNA be so different from yours?
I just said the DNA could be the same. The sequence would be different because it evolved to adapt to different conditions. Even if it evolved a similar form it would have a different DNA sequence. Sharks have adapted similar forms to dolphins but evolved in a different way (sharks from fish and dolphins from dog-like mammals). Even though a dolphin is a lot like a shark, it has a DNA sequence closer to humans than sharks as we have a common evolutionary heritage. If a being evolved on another planet it would be more different not more similar than a shark. UNLESS SOMETHING MYSTERIOUS IS HAPPENING.
QuoteWhere ET lives isn't so different from Earth.
How do you know this?
QuoteIs an His Star very much the same as yours. the age of ET world is about the same as Earth. So it would appear that perhaps conditions where ET is from could be very much like conditions Here on Earth. The ideas that ET's DNA sequences would be "radically different" has no foundation except in the mind of the fearful.
You are just speculating. It is likely different because it evolved independently.
QuoteLol... I have serious doubts that any Terrestrial, regardless of education and expirence could tell IF DNA evidence was Terrestrial in origin or not. And it would be quite difficult for you to prove to anyone you were from Earth. And while it is possible to "prove" ET, it is difficult if everyone decides before viewing data.
I could prove it if I visited them as I could produce evidence that something I carried had isotopes characteristic of Earth. I could direct them to listen to signals from Earth. There are any number of things I could do. Likewise they could do the same - but only if they were ET aliens.
QuoteNo "Sketchy stories" do not prove a damn thing; do you know what a "Sketchy story" looks like? Not everythig is as it appears.
Correct, not everything is as it seems.
In terms of DNA data, I am able to look at why a person may claim that their DNA sample is ET. I have the knowledge to evaluate their claims. The strongest claim I can think of is a tissue sample that actually produced something that consistently appeared to be nonsense to scientists. "Nonsense" seeming code would imply that the apparatus of replication and gene expression (the enzymes) reads different codes to ours. So far all DNA based Earthly species studied have closely related reading codes.
Quote from: Pimander on May 08, 2013, 03:11:02 PM
I just said the DNA could be the same. The sequence would be different because it evolved to adapt to different conditions. Even if it evolved a similar form it would have a different DNA sequence. Sharks have adapted similar forms to dolphins but evolved in a different way (sharks from fish and dolphins from dog-like mammals). Even though a dolphin is a lot like a shark, it has a DNA sequence closer to humans than sharks as we have a common evolutionary heritage. If a being evolved on another planet it would be more different not more similar than a shark. UNLESS SOMETHING MYSTERIOUS IS HAPPENING.
Yes the sequencing would be different, but, in what ways? The major differences between Humans and Chimps isn't so much the actual sequencing, but rather in the STR strings found within the various chromosomes. (and of course the whole chromosome 2 thing). If these are the differences you are thinking of then we will prolly agree, however, to think that ET has evolved into something truly unique is both silly and absolutely true. While it is true (mustbe) that there are "fantastical" creatures out there, it is also true that there are very ordinary, mundane, beings as well, so to think that ET "must" be very different is counter-productive.
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How do you know this?
How do I know what conditios are like on other worlds? I have eyes that can see, I can look at this world and know what conditions should be like around a similar star. Many of the stars within 50 ly of Earth are class "G", and most are over 4.5 Gyr old.
Earth's star "Sol" is a class "G2" star, some 4.6 Gyr old. Do you think the conditions around say Alpha Centauri are significantly different? Alpha Centauri(a) is a class "G1.5", about 6Gyr old. Very much like Sol, a bit older, not qite as bright. Or how about Alpha Centauri (b), it is the same age, "G" class, and about the same brightness.
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You are just speculating. It is likely different because it evolved independently.
I could prove it if I visited them as I could produce evidence that something I carried had isotopes characteristic of Earth. I could direct them to listen to signals from Earth. There are any number of things I could do. Likewise they could do the same - but only if they were ET aliens.
Correct, not everything is as it seems.
Less speculation than you might think. There are ways of divinig the unknown, from the known. Also, don't forget the wisdom of Hermese; "As above, so below".
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In terms of DNA data, I am able to look at why a person may claim that their DNA sample is ET. I have the knowledge to evaluate their claims. The strongest claim I can think of is a tissue sample that actually produced something that consistently appeared to be nonsense to scientists. "Nonsense" seeming code would imply that the apparatus of replication and gene expression (the enzymes) reads different codes to ours. So far all DNA based Earthly species studied have closely related reading codes.
Do you now? Have the knowledge to evaluate claims? I should challange that! Based on just this paragraph, I'm going to state that neither you, nor, most any Terrestrial scientist has the ability to distiguish Terrestrial DNA from non-Terestrial DNA ... period!
Go here: http://anthra.wolfmagick.com (http://anthra.wolfmagick.com) there you will find a wee bit of DNA evidence. It will tell you that it is Human, it will not tell you it is from Earth! In fact, it will tell you that it is not related to any terrestrial. A question I would have is; "can you see how it is not Terrestrial?" (I bet no).
Quote from: Anthra on May 08, 2013, 04:15:49 PM
Do you now?
Yes.
QuoteHave the knowledge to evaluate claims? I should challange that! Based on just this paragraph, I'm going to state that neither you, nor, most any Terrestrial scientist has the ability to distiguish Terrestrial DNA from non-Terestrial DNA ... period!
Challenge it then. Why do you state that based on what I say?
"Why do you state that based on what I say"?
Pi, certainly, you were not asking me that question, but...........on these forums there is most often not much personal information shared. And, I believe I have noticed you at times being careful not to share specifically, for reason. ;) That being, for all of us, this probably causes "the assumption" for a lot of opinion being shared, when in fact member statements can be based upon knowledge, learning, and experience.
So, that said, with what very little I know about seeing you keep some things close, I have absolutely no question about your statements. I am confident that you know what you are talking about in the DNA area!
Thanks for the "informed" (IMO) comments!
Quote from: Pimander on May 08, 2013, 04:21:53 PM
Yes.
Challenge it then. Why do you state that based on what I say?
Because you imply that you can tell "just by looking", and unless you know what to look for and where, you simply can't. Further, the indicators as to whether the DNA in question is Terrestrial or not does not have to be in the biology or chemistry. It can be in the actual data itself, and quite well hidden in plain sight.
I have to presume that you are like me in this regard; knowledgeable in some aspects of this question, but, not in all.
This whole argument assumes that we have some sort of verified baseline extraterrestrial DNA. Hell if the planet was colonized by ET and (As some parties suggest)..The whole Human species as we know it is a result of ET genetic experimentation, How in the hell will we ever know unless ET shows up and takes claim..In the meantime, I'm just going to put Greer and company on my list of people I'll listen to, but not inherently believe without real SCIENTIFIC evidence. So far he has been lacking in the latter...Promises to keep Dr. Greer.?? Oh and before anybody claims the DNA is unclear and therefore alien..Well there is a lot of Junk DNA out there that the genome has not accounted for yet...The DNA may not be clear, but that doesn't make it ET.
The Little Alien is hitting the MSM here in Oz in the last 12 hours....
Bizarre skeleton leaves UFO hunters and scientists baffled
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/bizarre-skeleton-leaves-ufo-hunters-and-scientists-baffled-20130508-2j7a6.html#ixzz2SodBfyzt
Quote from: Somamech on May 09, 2013, 05:59:38 PM
The Little Alien is hitting the MSM here in Oz in the last 12 hours....
Bizarre skeleton leaves UFO hunters and scientists baffled
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/technology/sci-tech/bizarre-skeleton-leaves-ufo-hunters-and-scientists-baffled-20130508-2j7a6.html#ixzz2SodBfyzt
The whole problem with this
"Breaking Fantastical Discovery" is the time it took to get out as far as research goes, and the association of the Greer associates and affiliations there in and of his ability to make big money off of these little venture's.
If it weren't for the association of the researcher/Scientists and the Greer connection, it may be more acceptable, but it is do convoluted for both time and the eventual answer's that it doesn't make any real sense as too why so long, other than to make the money during the fund raising time during the wait.
Any real sciences would have been on this ASAP, it would have been the biggest thing in human History to have taken place. Now,as far as the Alien DNA vs. Human DNA, I am a strong advocate of the AA theory, it is more feasible than what we are led too believe by way of religions or religious aspects, and answer's many more question's, so DNA comparison may very well be one and the same as far as detecting or recognizing a DNA anomalous Gene pooling that we have yet to recognize with in ourselves thus far, for those scientists and Geneticists that are declaring what they can't Identify as 'Junk' DNA, which is sad in itself.
Drop the time it took, and then Greer from the sciences and research involved, you have a a palatable possibility for deductive understanding, not a decade of planning and rhetorical dismissive Blah blah crap.
IMHO...... :P
1WW
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on May 10, 2013, 08:19:17 PM
Any real sciences would have been on this ASAP, it would have been the biggest thing in human History to have taken place.
This isn't the first time I've seen this claim made. It is demonstrably false. Scientists will get excited about new developments, as long as said developments are not challenging to the status quo. Radical or paradigm-breaking events, however, are not welcomed at all. Scientists very often want nothing to do with them.
When I refer to the DNA code, I am talking about the instructions referred to in this video. They are similar for all known DNA based species on Earth. Examples of these instructions would be the instruction to stop copying (a stop codon) or an instruction to start copying (start codon). These instructions are found near the beginning and end of genes. The absence of these in certain patterns could be checked for using bioinformatics (which uses computers to study DNA, RNA and protein sequences)
The chances that this code is the same for ETs would be slim unless something very mysterious is happening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MfSYnItYvg
Quote from: Anthra on May 08, 2013, 07:11:08 PM
Because you imply that you can tell "just by looking", and unless you know what to look for and where, you simply can't.
As I said, something to look for could well be along these lines....
A DNA sample taken from tissue that looks like nonsense DNA sequences to a human molecular geneticist.
If the DNA sequence can be read by human transcriptional apparatus (the enzymes that read/copy the genetic code) or translational apparatus (the enzymes that read the genetic code to make proteins) then it is practically impossible to make the case that it is from a non-terrestrial source. If the code makes sense then its probably from Earth.
One day we may have ET samples to change the situation but that is
OFFICIALLY the state of play.
QuoteFurther, the indicators as to whether the DNA in question is Terrestrial or not does not have to be in the biology or chemistry. It can be in the actual data itself, and quite well hidden in plain sight.
I am saying it will be in the data not the chemistry myself. I agree.
QuoteI have to presume that you are like me in this regard; knowledgeable in some aspects of this question, but, not in all.
How Frank can I be?
I doubt there are many scientists on Earth who are in a position to openly tell you more than I can without losing their security clearance.
Quote from: andolin on May 08, 2013, 07:28:12 PM
The DNA may not be clear, but that doesn't make it ET.
Agreed.
If the DNA is taken from living tissue and none of the coding sequence can be read by known transcription/translation factors, then that is a CLUE that it may be of ET origin. It is not proof on its own.
If the sample was from an extraterrestrial source then that would be pretty strong and as near to proof as you are likely to get. ;)
Quote from: petrus4 on May 10, 2013, 10:19:39 PM
This isn't the first time I've seen this claim made. It is demonstrably false.
This I can understand, but I don't think this assumption too be Unfathomable for future research and scientific intuitive understanding.
QuoteScientists will get excited about new developments, as long as said developments are not challenging to the status quo.
There are other types out there petrus, I have too believe this, there is way way too much interest in getting to the bottom of these paranormal issues with in ET and their validity with in our societal grasp. I believe there are those scientists out there that are thinking out side the box, apprehensive as they may be, someone some time will be finding something irrefutable and controversial at the same time. IMHO
QuoteRadical or paradigm-breaking events, however, are not welcomed at all. Scientists very often want nothing to do with them.
Well, TPTB are softening to the whole idea, can't deny that. Problem is, we don't need to spend years and years holding possibly tangible evidence supporting this assumption or theory, then milk it for what it is worth, this is where the public and the MSM get into Skepticism that they seemingly create during such secretive times, and also financially burdening while they sell books, do television and then charge for news release information, it is more of a Capitalism thing at this point to me, not a 'Humbling' one petrus. ;)
1WW
It does look a bit like this one photographed with 1930?s adventurer Robert Ripley which was called "Atta-Boy" and also found in the Atacama Desert.
QuoteBelieve it or Not: The Atacama "Alien" is Human, and Ripley Knew It First
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ux5191cfbe.jpg)
QuoteJust the other day I was flipping through "Search for the Shrunken Heads", a particularly fun book that chronicles some of Robert Ripley's 1930?s adventures around the world, when I noticed a photograph of Ripley holding a particularly familiar tiny humanoid. According to the intrepid adventurer's notes, the oddity turned out to be an unfortunate soul who was chosen for a full-body "reduction" rather than just a shrinking of the head.
Interestingly enough, Robert Ripley found the shrunken body in Peru and named it "Atta-Boy", after the nearby Atacama Desert.. the same desert where Dr. Steven Greer would eventually find the humanoid body in Sirius. Hardly a coincidence worth ignoring..
link (http://whofortedblog.com/2013/05/11/not-atacama-humanoid-human-ripley-knew/)
Quote from: petrus4 on May 10, 2013, 10:19:39 PM
Scientists will get excited about new developments, as long as said developments are not challenging to the status quo. Radical or paradigm-breaking events, however, are not welcomed at all. Scientists very often want nothing to do with them.
This is absolute nonsense. Most scientists would like a Nobel Prize and you get them for radical new ideas. What most conspiracy theorists perceive as wanting nothing to do with "paradigm-breaking" findings is scientific rigour.
There are always a large number of career scientists holding professorships who have a vested interest in the
status quo. On the other hand the majority of scientists career prospects would be enhanced by radical new findings but only if they can be supported by other work. That other work is slow to come not because of the majority of scientists would not welcome it at all but because the people holding the purse strings are the most conservative within science - partly due to their own career protecting bias and other well documented problems.
It is the soft or pseudo sciences like archaeology where things are slowest to change. Think pyramids and pre-Sumerian civilisations; think catastrophism. That is where it is far harder to make so called scientists revise their views.
A semi-truth would be: Paradigms shift are not due to the leaders in science accepting the new findings but to the fact that they will retire or die.
Quote from: karl 12 on May 14, 2013, 07:11:59 AM
It does look a bit like this one photographed with 1930?s adventurer Robert Ripley which was called "Atta-Boy" and also found in the Atacama Desert.
link (http://whofortedblog.com/2013/05/11/not-atacama-humanoid-human-ripley-knew/)
Great memory or find karl 12 !!! I remember this episode when it was aired. As a boy, our family never missed these shows. Forgotten all about this, bares more credence of the "Amnesia" that we as a society are facing, I have even forgotten about this, amnesia is rampant!!! LOL :P
1WW
Pie, 1WW;
I feel that I should disagree vehemently with you on the "desire"/'willingness" of Terrestrial science to discover anything at all about ET. Hell, it seems that your entire species doesn't really want to know. All you ever do is talk, your scientists, and hoaxers alike don't see to ever get past the first "notion" connected with the process.
I've looked at the data available, such as it is. As a "Data scientist" I feel like I should shout out that all the evidence, data, "proof" if you will, is available and wholly unorganized! If the sum of UFO and ET data (just the recorded data) were to be organized into a "real" database, a simple mining process would likely result in all the "proof" you need, as well as a large amount of species specific data for several different ET species.
Science isn't interested in the real answers yet. If they were they would have already produced a mountain of additional data and evidence to augment some 60+ years of Ufology. But, alas, they sit on their collective asses and judge UFO's and ET just like "BillyBob" and all the other rednecks. This is not a case where a "redneck knee jerk reaction" will work, in fact, it will not only fail to produce what you need, but will likely result in your species being held back another 1000 years. You have reached a point in your history where someone truly NEEDS to venture off the reservation and ... oh hell, take the big risk and do nearly anything.
Hell, let me just say; there are people on this rock that are not Terrestrial, and it can be easily demonstrated.
Quote from: Anthra on May 14, 2013, 04:33:50 PM
Pie, 1WW;
So, either you didn't like the comments I have made, or , you just have a large stick shoved up your none sunshine state!! :P
QuoteI feel that I should disagree vehemently with you on the "desire"/'willingness" of Terrestrial science to discover anything at all about ET. Hell, it seems that your entire species doesn't really want to know. All you ever do is talk, your scientists, and hoaxers alike don't see to ever get past the first "notion" connected with the process.
Go a head, I don't care, free world as far as opinion's, scientists and hoaxer are their own little click, I would just like to get the truth, instead of listening to someone give (Once again) their opinion based on their Opinion for the opinion's of others Opinion's, Yaddah yaddah yaddah.
QuoteI've looked at the data available, such as it is. As a "Data scientist" I feel like I should shout out that all the evidence, data, "proof" if you will, is available and wholly unorganized! If the sum of UFO and ET data (just the recorded data) were to be organized into a "real" database, a simple mining process would likely result in all the "proof" you need, as well as a large amount of species specific data for several different ET species.
I have no doubt about the evidence being readily available, I don't need this evidence personally though. Get people like money sucking Greeer and his consort's involved, you have a mainstream media event that will only cost $5.00 USD to get in and have a listen to the most important news release for humanity the world has ever seen!! Sounds awfully close to what Barnum and Bailey had planned.
QuoteScience isn't interested in the real answers yet. If they were they would have already produced a mountain of additional data and evidence to augment some 60+ years of Ufology. But, alas, they sit on their collective asses and judge UFO's and ET just like "BillyBob" and all the other rednecks. This is not a case where a "redneck knee jerk reaction" will work, in fact, it will not only fail to produce what you need, but will likely result in your species being held back another 1000 years. You have reached a point in your history where someone truly NEEDS to venture off the reservation and ... oh hell, take the big risk and do nearly anything.
You know, it is so difficult to get full intentional meanings via a web post, but, for some reason I am taking this "BillyBob" accusation personal, if I am wrong, correct me please. But you have some really bad timing with your "Irrefutable" evidences or, you are a Greer supporter and can't handle the fact he is a milker of dry cows.
I am a "BillyBob" talking on the back porch/Front porch, get off your high horse and take a leak like a man or a squatter like a Gal, who care's, you are just as much a blow hard as Greer is. As I had said, I am in agreement with some others here about the whole shebang of the Greer money making implemented, premeditated crap he pulled, call it what you want, it was a "Fleecing" of the masses, as usual. Don't have too tell me nothing I already knew Anthra......
QuoteHell, let me just say; there are people on this rock that are not Terrestrial, and it can be easily demonstrated.
And this right here is the beginning's of the dog and Pony show of this thread, "Prove it Anthra!!!" or back off, Idle threats yield nothing, especially when trying to give logical explanation with nothing but rhetorical rebuttal due to insignificance of argument.
Call me or judge me as you will, but as far as I am concerned, the water has always ran deep and muddy!!! ::)
And only slightly better here within your contentedness of the scientific or Data available. move on and remember, you are the one with all the answer's "Right?" ::)
1WW
In a nut shell...QuoteWell, much to the dismay of everyone who bought tickets to stream the film, the flick ended up being more about how 'brilliant' ufologist and "new energy" proponent Steven Greer was, and less about any shocking new revelations involving aliens. The interviews were simply rehashes of already available information, footage of widely proven UFO hoaxes was used, and after over an hour of teasing.. the little body of "Ata" was shown to be 91% human. But of course, Greer remained adamant that "questions still remain".
Now that we know, definitively, that Sirius' tiny "alien" is really just a human, be it a shrunken, deformed, or aborted one, ufologists and believers ought to be mighty pissed at Steven Greer for taking advantage of them. Sure, what he found in the desert might have been weird, but Robert Ripley found something strange just the same, and unlike Greer, didn't need to dress his oddities up in stories of aliens and free energy, knowing that sometimes, weird for weirdness sake is all you need to sell tickets.http://whofortedblog.com/2013/05/11/not-atacama-humanoid-human-ripley-knew/
Thanks Karl :D
my isnt this a heated debate.im lovin it.keep it up guys and maybe an answer will be found.personally i lean towards shrunken body but ive not reviewed all the evidence.what i do find interesting is the witness testimony of roswell.at my age its kinda easy to tell when someones lying and those folks dont look like they are lying.so i believe there are species that are alien to us humanoids but i think they live in the sea.and in space.in the bible it said gods throne was in the abyss and in heaven.so maybe thats where they hide.if i were an alien i would make me a pure water/ice pyramid and sink it to the bottom of the ocean.
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on May 14, 2013, 07:29:35 PM
I would just like to get the truth, instead of listening to someone give (Once again) their opinion based on their Opinion for the opinion's of others Opinion's, Yaddah yaddah yaddah.
This is the problem... and the reason why the government doesn't need expensive disinfo agents. There is a host of these Greer types out there doing the disinfo and getting rich in the process... Nassim Haramien, Klaus Dona, Jaimie Maussen, etc etc .... and even the good 'whistle blowers' are forced to pick up the garbage and run with it or risk loosing their own audience.
These smooth talking snake oil used car salesmen schmary smiling hucksters have the believers wrapped around their fingers. It has gotten so bad that there is no point trying to show any truth because if you dare point out that those 'Mayan stones that show aliens' that klaus and Nassim are selling have NO SOURCE OF ORIGIN, do not look remotely Mayan and just appeared from nowhere (and are for sale at Klaus'd website for $70,000.00 ish) then YOU are pounced on for being that disinfo agent.
People like Nassim have that charisma that make all the ladies swoon :P You can hear it in the audience of his videos. That is enough to get him on Natrional Geographic. I used to respect that publication becaues they ALWAYS checked their stories... but now they too have gone the way of History Channel and Discovery and just care about the latest popular CRAP story to sell tickets.
Greer will get you to pay to sit on a chait in an empty filed and tell you you are in an invisible ethereal spacecraft :P
Jamie Maussan hoaxes aliens corpses and still people watch his popular TV show and he gets rich. I think he even believes most of his stuff.
At this rate, unless there is a full fledged alien invasion that takes over the USA, we will never get the truth... and even THAT will likely be called a false flag invasion that both Hollywood (and TV) and the CT websites have been prepping us for all these years...
Quote from: robomont on May 14, 2013, 08:04:44 PM
so i believe there are species that are alien to us humanoids but i think they live in the sea.and in space.in the bible it said gods throne was in the abyss and in heaven.so maybe thats where they hide.if i were an alien i would make me a pure water/ice pyramid and sink it to the bottom of the ocean.
I BELIEVE in FAERIES :DPhotographs show the remains of a fairy found in Derbyshire, England.(http://www.hoax-slayer.com/images/derbyshire-fairy1.jpg)
Fairy Body Found In Sunway(http://demo2.phpfoxmodules.com/file/pic/photo/2010/04/WeiChenTam-fairy-body-found-in-sunway-10_500.jpg)
Tutorial: Mummified Fairy(http://www.shadowmanor.com/attic/howto/fairy/fairy14.jpg)
http://www.shadowmanor.com/blog/?page_id=4666
Quote from: Pimander on May 14, 2013, 08:58:12 AM
This is absolute nonsense. Most scientists would like a Nobel Prize and you get them for radical new ideas. What most conspiracy theorists perceive as wanting nothing to do with "paradigm-breaking" findings is scientific rigour.
It's rigour if they don't want to accept a radical idea, after trying and legitimately failing to experimentally reproduce or validate said idea. Anything else is narrow mindedness. The false, "we don't have time to experimentally validate or disprove every outlandish or wacky claim," rationale of CSICOP is pseudoskepticism.
QuoteThere are always a large number of career scientists holding professorships who have a vested interest in the status quo. On the other hand the majority of scientists career prospects would be enhanced by radical new findings but only if they can be supported by other work. That other work is slow to come not because of the majority of scientists would not welcome it at all but because the people holding the purse strings are the most conservative within science - partly due to their own career protecting bias and other well documented problems.
This I will accept.
QuoteIt is the soft or pseudo sciences like archaeology where things are slowest to change.
The problem with archaeology, paleontology etc is not so much that the sciences themselves are quackery, as that they are largely populated by quacks. There is a difference. ;)
More seriously, I've also read enough to believe that both of these suffer from very serious problems associated with self-perpetuating and enforced bias. In both cases, there is already a large, established, and very deeply entrenched paradigm in existence, and said paradigm tends to be defended and enforced whenever something appears that may seem to challenge it.
In terms of the reason behind why I think that is, George Orwell stated it more eloquently than I could.
"He who controls the past, controls the future. He who controls the present, controls the past."In other words, the mainstream paradigm in the case of both of the above-named sciences, is very largely the product of a massive conspiracy.
I have always considered the debate between evolutionary theory and creationism, as a related example, to be completely irrelevant and futile; and the reason why, is because both models, are held and usually advocated by groups of individuals, who wish to control the minds of others. The degree of validity or real truth contained in either paradigm, is thus again rendered largely irrelevant, because the truth of either of them, cannot be dissociated from the fact that their proponents, both have agendas of social control.
QuoteA semi-truth would be: Paradigms shift are not due to the leaders in science accepting the new findings but to the fact that they will retire or die.
This is one of my favourite quotes from Max Planck, yes. :)
i love that last quote.
and zorgon im shocked .are those picks real or are you screwing with us.you sure stirred my pot.
Quote from: robomont on May 14, 2013, 08:22:36 PM
and zorgon im shocked .are those picks real or are you screwing with us.you sure stirred my pot.
Those are real pics... of real hoaxes and the 'how to' make your own mini mummy by the perps
The first one was sold at auction for £300 and made Wikipedia
QuoteThe Dead fairy hoax was an April Fools' Day prank in 2007. Dan Baines, a sculptor and illusion designer, managed to sell his creation, the fake corpse of a fairy, on an internet auction for nearly £300
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_fairy_hoax
QuoteA few days before April 1, 2007, Dan Baines, a 31-year-old illusion designer for magicians from London, posted images on his website purporting to show the remains of a fairy. He claimed the mummified remains were discovered by a dog walker at Firestone Hill in Duffield, Derbyshire. The "corpse", as shown in the pictures, had intact ears, wings, hair, skin and teeth, and had, according to Baines, 'been examined by anthropologists and forensic experts who can confirm the body is genuine'. According to the website, X-rays of the 'fairy' showed that its body's structure was the same as that of a child. The bones, however, were described to be 'hollow like those of a bird, making them particularly light.'
In spite of the coming of April Fool's Day, the website received feedback from a large number of fairy believers, accumulating over 20,000 hits in one day. On April 1st, Baines appended a note to the website, thanking the readers for expressing their interest in his story and acknowledging that the fairy corpse was fake. He wrote: "Even if you believe in fairies, as I personally do, there will always have been an element of doubt in your mind that would suggest the remains are a hoax. However, the magic created by the possibility of the fairy being real is something you will remember for the rest of your life." Subsequently, Baines listed the mummified fairy on eBay and the model attracted nearly 40 bids. The highest at the close of the sale was made by a private art collector in the United States and the fairy was sold for £280.
Amazing what you can buy on Ebay these days :D
kove it.thankyou zorgon for the info.
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on May 14, 2013, 07:29:35 PM
You know, it is so difficult to get full intentional meanings via a web post, but, for some reason I am taking this "BillyBob" accusation personal, if I am wrong, correct me please. But you have some really bad timing with your "Irrefutable" evidences or, you are a Greer supporter and can't handle the fact he is a milker of dry cows.
Thee was nothing "personal" there, more like speaking to everyone. I feel it is way past time for all yall to step up and take charge, for yall's, and Earth's benefit. Oh, and while I don't try to milk dry cows, I have been known to kick a horse to insure it's not sleeping :)
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And this right here is the beginning's of the dog and Pony show of this thread, "Prove it Anthra!!!" or back off, Idle threats yield nothing, especially when trying to give logical explanation with nothing but rhetorical rebuttal due to insignificance of argument.
Did that! Unless you don't accept mathematics as a science.
Quote from: Anynonmouses on April 26, 2013, 03:26:24 PM
....the people who oversee these "labs" you say you'd like to see carry out such research all have a definite agenda, and disclosure is NOT part of it.
Gotcha!! Thanks for making my point... So we have to take the word of some undisclosed 'lab' that they did the testing... a 'lab' that has an agenda to prove aliens are real so Greer et al can make money and bamboozle the believers
QuoteLet's get this conversation back to earth, or at least--let's keep it real. By the way, the ALIEN looks like Beavis from the cartoon "Beavis and Butthead," so--henceforth thusly it shall be referred to by moi...
Okay yeah THAT sure is "keeping it real"
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I like this one... from Gortex (and Karl's Ripley one :P )
Quote from: gortex on February 05, 2013, 11:32:27 AM
I don't think speculation is necessary as the evidence is in the public domain and based on the actions of Dr Greer .
From his now legendary $800 a peek Moth picture to his latest tiny Alien mummy claim which after some investigation I believe is one of these ... A Kappa mummy from the Japanese Edo period
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/df511012cd.jpg)
In my view Dr Greer has two interests , Steven Greer and money .. Aliens and UFOs are just a way for him to promote one and amass the other .
Sorry my first post had to be a negative one :)
I guess its time to merge the Sirius threads...
Merging