Looking for more info on this one
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QuoteAnd what might happen if the commander of that warship, even though it was a training ship, hastily ordered to open fire on the UFO? Neither can imagine! Although they seem peaceful Mans who these mysterious celestial objects do not escape the confrontation. And there are cases truly staggering. In 1950, in the midst of the Korean War, two Soviet MIG fighters, like the photo, patrolled the Sea of Japan and Japanese flew a freighter. Suddenly, a UFO approached the scene and parked in the air. Soviet pilots performed maneuvers to approach and fired their weapons on board against the object. And the powerful projectiles from guns of the MIG even rocked! In the second attack, but when again opened fire, happened the creepiest of all scenes - witnessed by the entire crew of the Japanese ship: Both MIG froze in midair! Literally remained suspended, motionless, as if supported by an unknown, sinister force. And then began to vibrate violently shortly after to fragment into myriad pieces as small parts of a mirror is broken, finally coming to violently explode through an eerie reddish flame. Thereafter, the UFO moved away quietly disappearing into the sky in amazing speed! Sinister? Yes, but at this point it will be good that we should heed the words of General Benjamin Chidlaw, who at one time was chief of the U.S. Air Defense, referring to UFO's: "- We take very seriously. Not have Alternatively, because we have already lost many men and planes trying to intercept them. "
Original Portuguese on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=200783076708995&set=a.199255923528377.51446.100003319123734&type=1&ref=nf)
It looks like the only source is this site (http://www.dominiosfantasticos.xpg.com.br/id56.htm).
It doesn't even make sense, as in 1950 there were no jets like the one on the photo, they were like the one in the photo below (a MiG 21).
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21PF_USAF.jpg/640px-Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21PF_USAF.jpg)
;D ;D ;D
this is an otter trap...isn't it..?
anything else you can add would be helpful and i'll see what i can find
like what was the name of the japanese ship..or a more exact date
ya know it's not nice to bait otters ;)
Found a bit more related to this...Americans were losing an average of a plane a day to UFOs during that period. :o You would think a lot more people would be talking if that were indeed the case. I doubt they were even sustaining those sort of losses from the enemy.
QuoteTimothy Good writes, "The destruction or disappearance of military aircraft during interceptions of UFOs continued apace." As General Benjamin Chidlaw, former commanding general of the Air Defense Command told Robert C. Gardener (ex USAF) in 1953: "We have stack of reports of flying saucers. We take them seriously, when you consider we have lost many men and planes trying to intercept them." Leonard Stringfield, the former Air Force intelligence officer was told by a reliable source in the 1950s that the "Air Force was losing about a plane a day to the UFOs. According to US Defense Department figures, from 1952 until the end of October 1956, there were 18,662 major accidents of military aircraft, broken down as follows: Year - Air Force - Navy - Total Accidents
1952 2,274 2,086 = 4360
1953 2,075 2,325 = 4400
1954 1,873 1,911 = 3784
1955 1,664 1,566 = 3230
1956 1,530 1,358 = 2888
Of this astonishing four year total of 14,302 US aircraft losses, most involved fast new jets (such as those scrambled in UFO interceptions), of which 56.2 per cent were found to be caused by pilot error; 8.1 per cent by ground-crew or other personnel failure; 23.4 per cent by failure of parts and equipment in the aircraft; 2.8 per cent by various "unsafe conditions", and ?9.5 per cent (1,773) were due to unknown factors. Thanks to Timothy Good's new book, Need to Know (http://www.amazon.com/Need-Know-UFOs-Military-Intelligence/dp/1933648384/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1361038140&sr=1-1&keywords=need+to+know) P.172
http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman/publish/article_280.php (http://www.nationalufocenter.com/artman/publish/article_280.php)
Quote from: ArMaP on February 08, 2013, 10:06:20 PM
It looks like the only source is this site (http://www.dominiosfantasticos.xpg.com.br/id56.htm).
yes that looks like the source of the copy and past at facebook :D I agree on that airplane
Quote from: sky otter on February 08, 2013, 10:42:30 PM
ya know it's not nice to bait otters ;)
Bought a case :P
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(http://static.theb9.com/img/users/1344444000xP6ZrcN14L3.jpg?type=large)
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Quote from: Ellirium113 on February 08, 2013, 11:26:04 PM
Found a bit more related to this...Americans were losing an average of a plane a day to UFOs during that period. :o You would think a lot more people would be talking if that were indeed the case. I doubt they were even sustaining those sort of losses from the enemy.
Wow good one... worth looking into those loses. They should be out of classification by now. I'll try the CIA library
Quote from: zorgon on February 08, 2013, 11:55:56 PM
Wow good one... worth looking into those loses. They should be out of classification by now. I'll try the CIA library
Maybe they preferred to say that they lost them to UFOs than to the Soviets. :)
Advanced aerial devices reported during the Korean war:
http://www.nicap.org/books/aadkw/aadkw_complete.htm (http://www.nicap.org/books/aadkw/aadkw_complete.htm)
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Overview
This book begins with a brief overview of the major historical events of the Korean War period to help set the stage for the UFO sighting reports which follow. Also presented are some important UFO events which took place just before and during the war years. Forty two UFO reports are presented here. More than 63 military pilots, soldiers, ground radar operators, naval personnel, and others covering the period September 1950 to the winter of 1954 contributed to these interesting reports. Six of these cases (14%) involve some kind of electromagnetic effect while another seven (17%) include flight maneuvers by aerial phenomena that rival or exceed those of the airplanes that flew in the war. Another six cases (14%) strongly suggest intelligently guided flight control of the UFO relative to the airplane's movements. UFO shape names (number of each in parentheses) include: disc (9), sphere, round, circular (7), oval (2), cigar, Japanese lantern, coolie hat, cylinder, coin, cartwheel, cloud-like. Of the eighteen cases (43%) in which sighting duration is cited, the mean is 6.14 minutes. Fifteen sightings (36%) took place during daylight hours. One report was made during 1950, three in 1951, 24 (57%) in 1952, five in 1953, and one in 1954. Of those that occurred in 1952, seven took place in May and seven in June. Descriptions of the UFOs involved during the May-June 1952 period show a remarkable consistency including such shape names as: oval that is "larger than a MiG", "50 foot diameter", "circular dark object that is flattened on top and bottom", "round", "coin with a 7:1 ratio", "disc with 7:1 ratio and 15-20 foot diameter", "revolving disc". Although the U.S. Air Force's official conclusions for many of these cases was a lighted enemy balloon, most of the sighting data do not support this explanation. It is quite clear that the reported phenomena are closely similar in all major respects to other UFO cases both before and after the Korean War. There is virtually no evidence of hostile intent shown by the UFO(s) during any of these close aerial encounters. Is it possible that others were only interested in how wars are fought on Earth?
..looking for migs lost but not finding useful info.sorry
here's some info and lots of plane stuff with pictures
kinda got carried away....
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Korean War 6-25-50 thur 7-25-53
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http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/korean-war-aircraft.asp
There are a total of 45 Korean War Aircraft in the Military Factory.
Entries are listed below in alphanumeric order. Flag images indicative of country of origin.
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http://www.realclearhistory.com/articles/2012/12/04/korean_wars_ghost_pilots_and_mystery_planes.html
December 4, 2012 ..... By Mark Sauter
Korean War's Ghost Pilots and Mystery Planes
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http://thehistoryprofessor.us/bin/histprof/misc/korea.html
Air and naval activity
The Korean War marked the first battles between jet aircraft. Early in the conflict, Allied bombers and fighter planes based in Japan, Okinawa, and South Korea roared over North Korea unopposed. They supported Allied troops, killed enemy troops, and damaged Communist bases.
The Soviet Union soon began to supply North Korea with MIG-15 jets, and dogfights became an important part of the war. As many as 100 to 150 U.S. F-86 Sabre jets and Soviet-built MIG-15's took part in some air battles. All the dogfights occurred over North Korea because Allied planes were not permitted to cross the Yalu River, and the MIG-15's never flew south of the 38th parallel. Most of the battles took place in "MIG Alley," an area between the Yalu and Pyongyang.
The Allies used helicopters to carry wounded soldiers from battle zones to hospitals. Helicopter pilots made daring rescues of Allied fliers who had been shot down. For the first time, helicopters carried troops into combat.
The U.S. Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps lost more than 2,000 planes during the war. Most of them were shot down by Communist anti-aircraft guns. Allied fliers destroyed more than 1,000 Communist planes. Navy and Marine fliers killed about 100,000 Communist troops, and Air Force fliers killed about 184,800.
The Allied naval forces included 80 destroyers, 16 aircraft carriers, 8 cruisers, and 4 battleships. The U.S. Navy helped troops land by firing shells at enemy targets on shore. Wonsan, a Communist oil refining and industrial city, was under naval siege for more than two years.
Five Navy ships were sunk and 82 were hit during the war. The vessels sunk were the minesweepers Pledge, Partridge, Pirate, and Magpie, and the tug Sarsi.
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general plane info and personal accounts
http://acepilots.com/russian/rus_aces.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-15
http://www.airforce-magazine.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2000/July%202000/0700korea.aspx
http://www.historynet.com/mig-madness-the-air-war-over-korea.htm
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a russian roswell tubie..probably needs a different home
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dml274Wqvag
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same time period
http://www.ufodigest.com/article/ufos-undeclared-air-war
Apparently 2 UFO incidents predated the 1950 attempted shoot down with the unknown aerial object taking the hostile initiative. According to Timothy Good in his book "Above Top Secret" he mentions a P-51 Air Force pilot who encounters an unknown aerial craft that repeatedly makes high speed passes at his prop fighter plane and is forced to take several evasive maneuvers to avoid collision. After a harrowing experience, he manages to fly land his fighter plane at San Antonio Air Field where intelligence officers are ready to debrief the hysterical flyer.
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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/scalar_tech/esp_scalartech37.htm#7._THE_1940s
5. RUSSIA'S 'WOODPECKER' SCALAR WAVE TRANSMITTERS
Bearden writes:
"About 1950-1952, the Soviets developed [scalar] EM machines that could influence the brain and nervous system directly. This included the Lida machine, which can induce a catatonic state into a mammal such as a man, a cat, etc. U.S. scientists, obtaining one of these devices in the 1980's, reported that it utilized a 40 MHz carrier, and produced unusual waveforms (showing the multiple frequency content).
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http://www.ufosinwartime.com/korea.html
Early one day in September 1950, a trio of U.S. Navy fighter-bombers launched from an aircraft carrier cruising off the coast of the war-torn Korea.
The mission for the Navy planes was to bomb a North Korean truck convoy near the Communist Chinese border.
The sun was just coming up when the Navy planes reached their target. But as they were preparing for their bombing runs, the fliers were astonished to see a pair of saucer-shaped objects approaching from the northwest. Incredibly, these objects were traveling close to Mach 2, or 1,200 mph, twice as fast as any aircraft of the day.
Most astonishing, though, was their size. The Navy crews estimated the silver-colored objects were nearly 700 feet in diameter – more than two football fields put together!
The Navy pilots instinctively went to arm their guns, but found all their equipment was being jammed. Suddenly, the saucers changed direction and swung around towards the Navy planes. In seconds the gigantic saucers were effortlessly maneuvering both above and below the fighter-bombers, circling them, as if inspecting them.
Then just as abruptly, the saucers turned back towards the northwest and left the area at high speed
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http://www.nicap.org/books/aadkw/aadkw_complete.htm
Advanced Ariel Devices reported during the Korean War
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Overview
This book begins with a brief overview of the major historical events of the Korean War period to help set the stage for the UFO sighting reports which follow. Also presented are some important UFO events which took place just before and during the war years. Forty two UFO reports are presented here. More than 63 military pilots, soldiers, ground radar operators, naval personnel, and others covering the period September 1950 to the winter of 1954 contributed to these interesting reports. Six of these cases (14%) involve some kind of electromagnetic effect while another seven (17%) include flight maneuvers by aerial phenomena that rival or exceed those of the airplanes that flew in the war. Another six cases (14%) strongly suggest intelligently guided flight control of the UFO relative to the airplane's movements. UFO shape names (number of each in parentheses) include: disc (9), sphere, round, circular (7), oval (2), cigar, Japanese lantern, coolie hat, cylinder, coin, cartwheel, cloud-like. Of the eighteen cases (43%) in which sighting duration is cited, the mean is 6.14 minutes. Fifteen sightings (36%) took place during daylight hours. One report was made during 1950, three in 1951, 24 (57%) in 1952, five in 1953, and one in 1954. Of those that occurred in 1952, seven took place in May and seven in June. Descriptions of the UFOs involved during the May-June 1952 period show a remarkable consistency including such shape names as: oval that is "larger than a MiG", "50 foot diameter", "circular dark object that is flattened on top and bottom", "round", "coin with a 7:1 ratio", "disc with 7:1 ratio and 15-20 foot diameter", "revolving disc". Although the U.S. Air Force's official conclusions for many of these cases was a lighted enemy balloon, most of the sighting data do not support this explanation. It is quite clear that the reported phenomena are closely similar in all major respects to other UFO cases both before and after the Korean War. There is virtually no evidence of hostile intent shown by the UFO(s) during any of these close aerial encounters. Is it possible that others were only interested in how wars are fought on Earth?
Very interesting case. we don't get to hear about to many hostile attacks
with such a graphic description of the process involved,tragic but self defense?
would 1950's era tech damage a ufo? Is it other worldly tech? or was it some
test of the man made defense kind?
Strange.
Quotewould 1950's era tech damage a ufo?
That same question was also in the Roswell thread, which i can't seem to find (Zorgon, we need a 'favourites' button to keep track of threads!).
My answer was this; The early Marconi radar used tons of power, it was like getting an echo by throwing a hammer ;)
So i would think it's possible that the complex systems in a UFO may well have been affected by it.
I remember the 'woodpecker' & Bearden's scalar wave hypothesis, & i think Ivan has done a lot of research in this area, possibly much further than Uncle Sam, especially in the 50's
It certainly fits into the timeframe of Tesla's death, papers going eastwards, Roswell, etc etc
All coincidence?
Oh i agree PWM, Russia were well ahead in the particle beam or scaler wave
tech than the USA imo. RADAR eh, yes like the supposed ROSWELL culprit.maybe.
I suppose like me, you have TESLA down for the TUNGUSKA event Luke? ;)
I don't know for sure, but the timeline is perfect.
Wardenclyffe was, if not completely finished, at least operational.
And those massive coils, frozen in liquid air, would have put out a LOT of energy.
Rumour has it that Tesla had one last chance of demonstrating his machine & aimed it at the north pole (where there was an expedition in the arctic area, not really at the north pole but close enough to be witnesses). It is said that Tesla fired up the tower, & sent a huge bolt of lightning (scalar waves then, not really lightning as such) and it overshot the pole & landed in Tunguska.
Now there are an awful lot of unanswered questions about all of this, one of the key points being: How often does a meteorite (which was not seen) of a certain size, break up in the atmosphere?
Until last week, i would have put that as being highly unlikely, simply because it would either (coming in at a shallow angle) burn up completely, or it would simply impact (especially if the angle is steep).
the one in Russia clearly came in at a very shallow angle, so it was meeting very high resistance for a long time, long enough it seems, for it to break up.
Notice i said 'break up' not 'explode'..... ::)
The damage was nearly all done by the shock wave, which was presumably a huge sonic boom. What i heard & saw in the Russian vids was more like an actual explosion instead of a sonic boom.
So those reports of the USSR shooting it down seemed also to have some credence, although as we already discussed, it would have been almost impossible to shoot down something going that fast.
But if exploding meteorites are in fact quite common, it could explain the Tunguska event.
Do we have any info that Tesla was actually doing something at Wardenclyffe at that exact time?
At this point, i haven't a clue. I have always felt Tunguska was not a meteorite.
But hey, i could be wrong ;)
At the time of the Tunguska explosion, i recall that Tesla was at Colorado Springs, not Wardenclyffe, PWM.
I will look into the date and time and try to find an answer ;)
Good idea, Starwarp!
I've been digging in my Tesla files, but the dates are all in a paper book that has yet to be scanned in...
Here is my copy of the FBI files on Tesla which may have some dates.
Interesting reading, even if a lot of it has been blanked out.... ::)
(They were not very happy about me downloading these files, so why did they put them on a publicly-accessible site?)
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/files/FreeNRG/Tesla/tesla-fbi-letters.pdf (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/inventors_group/files/FreeNRG/Tesla/tesla-fbi-letters.pdf)
I got the links from Margaret Cheyney's book 'Man out of time' :-X
ETA: Check out the dates of the letters signed by Hoover, was he still in office then? Was he still alive?
John Edgar Hoover was the first Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the United States. WikipediaBorn: January 1, 1895, Washington, D.C.
Died: May 2, 1972, Washington, D.C.
Height: 5' 7" (1.71 m)
Buried: Congressional Cemetery
Parents: Anna Marie Scheitlin, Dick Naylor Hoover, Sr.
Siblings: Dickerson Naylor Hoover, Jr., Lillian Hoover, Sadie Marguerite Hoover
http://www.biography.com/people/j-edgar-hoover-9343398
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was just watching a tesla you t..was interesting.. i'll have to hunt it up again
:)