Only time will tell, relative to the circumstance, for the reason of the Pope's resignation. But who gets selected as the next Pope, could possibly be more interesting, because of the "prophecies of Malachy". Saint Malachy was a 12th century Bishop that apparently wrote prophetically about the last the Popes, to the end.
I guess we can "watch and listen", to see how all of this plays out! ;)
A Hal Lindsey video that discusses Malachy's Prophecies.
http://www.hallindsey.com/videos/?vid=223
A recent article on the Pope's resignation, relative to the Malachy prophecies - "Is The Last Pope Already Running The Vatican?"
http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/final-pope-already-running-vatican/
Malachy's Prophecies - The Last Ten Popes
http://www.bibleprobe.com/last10popes.htm
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Supposedly the vatican has twenty million invested in europes largest gay bar/apartment building and a cardinal lives in a twelve room apartment above the bar.in rome.
I have been informed by a senior Cardinal that this is Ratzinger's favourite tune!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XNFokmDKrE
ah first the olympics and now a pope... interesting times for south america
Pope Francis I: Argentina's Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio is new Catholic leader
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By Alastair Jamieson and Ian Johnston, NBC News
VATICAN CITY - Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Buenos Aires was named leader of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics on Wednesday after being elected pope. He will be known as Pope Francis I.
The 76-year-old - the first Jesuit, the first South American and the first non-European pope of the modern era - was introduced to the world from the balcony of St. Peter's Basilica in front of tens of thousands gathered in the square below.
Smartphone user? Watch live scenes from Vatican here
In Italian, he joked with the rain-soaked crowd before delivering his blessing, saying: "As you know the duty of the conclave is to give Rome a bishop. It seems that my brother cardinals went almost to the end of the world."the rest at the link
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/13/17290508-pope-francis-i-argentinas-cardinal-jorge-mario-bergoglio-is-new-catholic-leader
Quote from: robomont on March 13, 2013, 01:02:04 PM
Supposedly the vatican has twenty million invested in europes largest gay bar/apartment building and a cardinal lives in a twelve room apartment above the bar.in rome.
Freddy Mercury's dream
itccs.org (http://itccs.org)
These guys have linked the new pope to "baby trafficking" and kidnapping. He looks like he's a real go getter.
A Jesuit finally has the job. Hmmmm
What does this mean to our esteemed membership?
ETA: Apologies if I offended above. T'was a joke is all....
just an FYI post for anyone interested
mostly Neutral
A Brief History of the Jesuits
http://faculty.fairfield.edu/jmac/sj/briefsjhistory.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus
http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/plaintexthistories.asp?historyid=ab30
Pro's
http://www.jesuit.org/about/our-history/
http://www.ignatianspirituality.com/category/jesuit-history/
Con's
http://one-evil.org/content/entities_organizations_jesuits.html
http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/0191.asp
This pope is taking his name from Francis of Assisi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_of_Assisi
Now Francis of Assisi 's real name was.....Francesco di Pietro di Bernardone
Or Peter.
Any thoughts?
This is the only connection I can make to fulfill the Petrus Romanus prophecy.
Now I agree that the Black Pope and being the first Jesuit elected is in line. The Jesuits ran the place anyways. Now they have one of their own in there.
Quote from: Pimander on March 14, 2013, 12:15:56 AM
A Jesuit finally has the job. Hmmmm
What does this mean to our esteemed membership?
I don't actually know much about the Jesuits; although from the few hints I'd managed to pick up here and on ATS, I'd more or less gathered that they were supposedly right between Satan and the National Security Agency on the morality scale. Is that about the perception that the average tinfoiler has of them? ;)
Quote from: micjer on March 14, 2013, 04:59:17 PM
This pope is taking his name from Francis of Assisi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_of_Assisi
Now Francis of Assisi 's real name was.....Francesco di Pietro di Bernardone
Or Peter.
Any thoughts?
This is the only connection I can make to fulfill the Petrus Romanus prophecy.
It's slim. Benedict's link was a lot clearer, IMHO. "From the Glory of the Olive." Apparently olives were the symbol of the Benedictine Order. Hence, olive = Benedict = second last pope according to Malachy.
Mind you, I think we can expect pundits to go to ridiculous lengths to trace the current pope to Petrus Romanus in the coming days. It's also got a bit more difficult at this point for me to think that Catholicism is really done for just yet, with the new pope drawing the crowd he did. The Vatican evidently still means a lot to quite a large number of people. I think I'd need to see that crowd thin out a bit more, before I start thinking for sure that we've got the last pontiff on our hands.
http://www.advocate.com/politics/religion/2013/03/12/vatican-buys-property-including-europes-biggest-gay-spa
Apparently this just came to light three days ago, in somewhat related news.
This is why I think the people who were after Ratzinger's head over the child sex abuse issue, to a partial degree at least, are hypocrites. Most of them are formally self-identifying atheists, and are also supportive of homosexuality. These people will criticise the Vatican for being supposedly anti-gay on the one hand, yet want the abolition of the institution for male priests having sex with boys on the other. Some of you might remember the North American Man Boy Love Association, which at one point was part of the gay movement.
Quote from: petrus4 on March 14, 2013, 05:44:10 PM
Is that about the perception that the average tinfoiler has of them? ;)
I haven't seen a great deal of evidence that the average tin foil hat wearer knows much at all about "The Society of Jesus."
I'm tempted to do some work on it but part of me thinks perhaps it's best left alone for now....
Well I have done some research on them. Let's call them the vatican's mafia branch.
They are sneaky folk that like to mix truth with deception to get their ways.
Here is a link to a book that is really worth the read if you are interested in the subject.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/93659058/Rulers-of-Evil
RULERS OF EVIL
Useful Knowledge About Governing Bodies
F. TUPPER SAUSSY
Quote from: petrus4 on March 14, 2013, 05:58:45 PM
http://www.advocate.com/politics/religion/2013/03/12/vatican-buys-property-including-europes-biggest-gay-spa
Apparently this just came to light three days ago, in somewhat related news.
This is why I think the people who were after Ratzinger's head over the child sex abuse issue, to a partial degree at least, are hypocrites. Most of them are formally self-identifying atheists, and are also supportive of homosexuality. These people will criticise the Vatican for being supposedly anti-gay on the one hand, yet want the abolition of the institution for male priests having sex with boys on the other. Some of you might remember the North American Man Boy Love Association, which at one point was part of the gay movement.
I thought it was a joke. Unbelievable. Can you say Hypocrites?
just some odd thoughts
he was elected on 3-13-13 same number coming and going
he is 76 7+6 = 13
he took the name of a 13 century saint
hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
"The Carpenter" was given a group of (12 Disciples) which gives a total of 13, including "The Carpenter".
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 15, 2013, 02:03:15 AM
"The Carpenter" was given a group of (12 Disciples) which gives a total of 13, including "The Carpenter".
Can we assume that when you refer to "The Carpenter" you actually mean "Jesus"? I know of no one else that had "12 Disciples".
Quote from: sky otter on March 15, 2013, 01:17:47 AM
just some odd thoughts
he was elected on 3-13-13 same number coming and going
he is 76 7+6 = 13
he took the name of a 13 century saint
hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Occultists Worship Numbers
Quote"During the Salem, Massachusetts witch trials of 1692, 13 women were executed." http://www2.ari.net/rjohnson/articles/FEAR.MUP.html
I remember reading somewhere that this wasn't witches at all. It was Christian women who caught the elite using witchcraft and they were burned at the stake instead.
In the Nation's Capitol the father of "ONE nation under God," George Washington, is memorialized in the rotunda ceiling on a mural entitled, The Apophiosis of Washington. The mural pictures the nations first father surrounded by 13 maidens.
On August 6, 1945 at 8:15 a.m. United States B-29 bomber Enola Gay, on Mission No. 13, dropped an atomic bomb called "Little Boy" on Hiroshima, Japan near the 33rd Parallel. This was "Day One" of a new age, the Nuclear Age. To understand the change that took place, we must back up and look at the importance of the number 13 from the formation of the United States to the atomic bomb's explosion in Hiroshima.
In 1935, Paul Foster Case wrote: "Since the date, 1776, is placed on the bottom course of the pyramid [on the Great Seal], and since the number 13 has been so important in the history of the United States and in the symbols of the seal, it is not unreasonable to suppose that the thirteen courses of the pyramid may represent thirteen time-periods of thirteen years each." The 13 time-periods of 13 years each equaled 169 years. From July 4, 1776 to July 4, 1945 equaled 169 years. From July 4, 1945 to August 6, 1945 (Hiroshima) was 33 days.
May 13, 1914 - Fatima Vision
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/13_33_freemason_sig.htm
And doesn't it seem weird that they presented the new pope at night? Has that ever been done before?
It gets Worse!
QuotePope Francis Kidnapping Controversy: Jorge Mario Bergoglio Accused Of Involvement In 1976 Abductions
The Catholic hierarchy was tacitly complicit in torture and mass killings, an estimated "22,000 dead and disappeared, from 1976 to 1978 ... Thousands of additional victims were killed between 1978 and 1983 when the military was forced from power.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=54349 (http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=54349)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/pope-francis-kidnapping_n_2870251.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/pope-francis-kidnapping_n_2870251.html)
Where did all the Nazi's flee before the war ended? If you can find that answer, you know why this new pope was voted in.
That was my immediate reaction when I heard Argentina: "oh good ,a pope from the Nazi nest " how ironic is that?
There should be a big deal made of this right ?
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/128911/Pope_Francis__Coat_of_Arms_Jesuit_Order_and_Black_Pope_Adolfo_Nilcolas_______31313/
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This was his coat of arms. Take note of the Double Cross.
The link to this on Wiki has been taken down btw.
Btw if anyone does not think the double cross or also known as the Cross of Lorraine is not dark take a gander at this website.
http://www.nachtkabarett.com/CelebritarianCorporation/DoubleCross
Quote from: micjer on March 14, 2013, 07:49:24 PM
Here is a link to a book that is really worth the read if you are interested in the subject.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/93659058/Rulers-of-Evil
I know something about them. I notice they came up whenever I researched certain topics about early Christianity and suspect some senior Jesuits may be hiding/suppressing information about the origins of Christianity. I haven't read the book though so I have downloaded it and will take a look soon.
Thanks
Quote from: micjer on March 15, 2013, 01:13:57 PM
Btw if anyone does not think the double cross or also known as the Cross of Lorraine is not dark take a gander at this website.
http://www.nachtkabarett.com/CelebritarianCorporation/DoubleCross
Even before reading what Manson said there, the design itself made me think that it represents the union of opposites; and thus neutrality, not evil. Evil was the inverted Cross; Good was symbolised by the upright one. So what you've got here is the equivalent of the Taoist Yin/Yang symbol.
Quote from: micjer on March 15, 2013, 02:56:12 AM
Occultists Worship Numbers
No they do not worship symbols. They believe that numbers represent/symbolise fundamental ideas and have quality not just quantity.
Some "occultists" worship the fundamental principles those numbers are symbols of. 1 or "One" would be the primordial masculine principle, also represented by something like the picture below.
Saying Occultists worship numbers is similar to saying Christians worship shapes. They do not worship a cross, they worship what it symbolises (or are supposed to).
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CLEOPATRAS NEEDLE IN LONDON http://www.dailyventure.com/photo/Cleopatra
i'm only doing this because i truly can't believe anyone would use manson as a reference for info
ok.. i could just give you i the link for the history on the cross of lorraine.
.but no one would read it .
.so i'm putting the whole thing here ..it started as a herald way back and m mason is mentioned at the end ::)
Cross of Lorraine From Wikipedia
The Cross of Lorraine (French: Croix de Lorraine) is originally a heraldic cross.
The two-barred cross consists of a vertical line crossed by two smaller horizontal bars. In the ancient version, both bars were of the same length. In 20th century use it is "graded" with the upper bar being the shorter. The Lorraine name has come to signify several cross variations, including the patriarchal cross with its bars near the top.
pictures at the link
History
The Lorraine cross was carried to the Crusades by the original Knights Templar, granted to them for their use by the Patriarch of Jerusalem.[1][2]
In the Catholic Church, the equal-armed Lorraine Cross denotes the office of archbishop.
In alchemy, the emblem is used as a symbol of brimstone[3] and lead,[3][4] "both of which are elements affiliated with Lucifer".[3]
[edit] Symbol in France
The tampion of the Rubis features the Cross of Lorraine in honour of the Free French eponymous submarine.In France, the Cross of Lorraine is the symbol of the Free French Forces of World War II, the liberation of France from Nazi Germany, and Gaullism and includes several variations of a two barred cross. The bars are supposed to be equally spaced[5] as can be seen on most images relating to the Free French Forces, though variations are common.
The Cross of Lorraine is part of the heraldic arms of Lorraine in eastern France. Between 1871 and 1918 (and again between 1940 and 1944), the northern third of Lorraine was annexed to Germany, along with Alsace. During that period the Cross served as a rallying point for French ambitions to recover its lost provinces. This historical significance lent it considerable weight as a symbol of French patriotism.
The flag of Free France featured a red Cross of Lorraine on a standard Flag of France.During World War II, Capitaine de corvette Thierry d'Argenlieu suggested the Cross of Lorraine as the symbol of the Free French Forces led by Charles de Gaulle as an answer to the Nazi swastika.
The Cross was displayed on the flags of Free French warships, and the fuselages of Free French aircraft. The medal of the Order of Liberation bears the Cross of Lorraine.
De Gaulle himself is memorialized by a 43 metres (141 ft) high Cross of Lorraine in his home village of Colombey-les-Deux-Églises. The Cross of Lorraine was later adopted by Gaullist political groups such as the Rally for the Republic.
[edit] New World
French Jesuit missionaries and settlers to the New World carried the Cross of Lorraine c. 1750-1810. The symbol was said to have helped the missionaries to convert the native peoples they encountered, because the two armed cross resembled existing local imagery.[6]
[edit] European heraldry
European heraldry
The French frigate Aconit, named after the corvette Aconit of the Free French Forces, flies the Cross of Lorraine on her unit flag
Slovak coat of arms on the Slovak 2 euro coinThe flag and the coat of arms of Slovakia both include the double cross. It was introduced to the territory of todays Slovakia by Constantine and Methodius, who brought christianity to Slavic empire of Great Moravia in the 9th century. In Slovakia, the double cross as a symbol of Lorraine is considered to have arisen when the Great Moravian king Svätopluk I "passed" it to Zwentibold of Lorraine, the godchild of Svätopluk and son of the emperor Arnulf of Carinthia.[citation needed]
The coat of arms of Hungary depicts a double cross, which is often attributed to Byzantine influence as King Béla III of Hungary was raised in the Byzantine Empire in the 12th century, and it was during his rule when the double cross became a symbol of Hungary.
Order of the Cross of Vytis,
a Lithuanian presidential awardA golden double cross with equal bars, known as the Cross of Jagiellons, was used by Grand Duke of Lithuania and King of Poland Jogaila since his conversion to Christianity in 1386, as a personal insignia and was introduced in the Coat of Arms of Lithuania. Initially, the lower bar of the cross was longer than the upper, since it originates from the Hungarian type of the double cross. It later became the symbol of Jagiellon dynasty and is one of the national symbols of Lithuania, featured in the Order of the Cross of Vytis and the badge of the Lithuanian Air Force.
the Cross of Saint Euphrosyne
The double cross is one of the national symbols in Belarus, both as the Jagiellon Cross and as the Cross of St. Euphrosyne of Polatsk, an important religious artifact. The symbol is supposed to have Byzantine roots and is used by the Belarusian Greek Catholic Church as a symbol uniting Eastern-Byzantine and Western-Latin church traditions. The Belarusian Cross can be found on the traditional coat of arms of Belarus, the Pahonia.
[edit] Miscellaneous uses
The double cross is the logo of the Australian Clothing label, Kaas Leisure Wear.
The cross is used as an emblem by the American Lung Association and related organizations through the world, and as such is familiar from their Christmas Seals program. Its use was suggested in 1902 by Paris physician Gilbert Sersiron as a symbol for the "crusade" against tuberculosis.[7][8]
For its defense of France in World War I, the American 79th Infantry Division was nicknamed the "Cross of Lorraine" Division; its insignia is the cross. The German 79th Infantry Division of World War II used the cross of Lorraine as its insignia because its first attack was in the Lorraine region.
In the television series Magnum, P.I., Thomas Magnum and his Vietnam War comrades were all shown to wear rings that bore the cross of Lorraine.
Ironically, the cross is also used as the symbol of the fascist Norsefire party in the film version of the graphic novel V for Vendetta.
The cross of Lorraine is also used in the SABRE GDS (global distribution system), a computer program used by travel agents.
It was also used in the Apollo and Worldspan global distribution systems, however, the latest versions of the Graphical user interfaces for both systems display it as a plus sign, while the latest Graphical user interface for Sabre displays it as a yen symbol.
The "Cross of Lorraine" symbol appears in Unicode as U+2628 ? cross of lorraine (HTML: ☨). It is not to be confused with U+2021 ‡ double dagger (HTML: ‡ ‡).
The Cross of Lorraine was noted as a symbol of the Free French in the film Casablanca.
A ring bearing the Cross was worn by Norwegian underground agent Berger and shown to one of the movies heroes (Victor Laszlo) as proof of loyalty.
It has also been used as a symbol for the city Roeselare (black cross) and Ypres (red cross) in Belgium.
282 (East Ham) Squadron, Air Training Corps
have the "Cross of Lorraine" on their unit crest in honour of their previous Squadron President, Odette Hallowes who worked for an independent French section of the Special Operations Executive during World War II.
The Cross is also used as the symbol for the Celebritarian Corporation/art movement, created and led by musician/painter Marilyn Manson.
I thought it interesting that the new pope wears an iron cross. Actually, it's more ironic than anything. No pun intended.
To the occultist, numbers are fundamental in calculations.
Not to far from gang colors, or hells angels patches.
Quote from: Book on March 16, 2013, 10:01:21 PM
I thought it interesting that the new pope wears an iron cross. Actually, it's more ironic than anything. No pun intended.
It's not the iron cross its the Maltese cross :P It's the symbol of the Kinghts of St John, the Sovereign Military Order of Malta. Germany just adopted it as the iron Cross as well but that cross goes way back The Knights Templar used it, The Druids used it even the Annunaki of Sumeria had it as can be seen on this pendant
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Sumarian/Anunnaki_King_Gate.jpg)
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White cross on black or red... red cross on white, black cross outlines in white... all the same thing
Order of Malta in Singapore
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Yup its all connected...;)
A 1976 military coup unfolded while Pope Francis, then 39 years old, was provincial superior of Argentine Jesuits. Thousands of people thought to have links to leftist guerrilla groups were rounded up. Two Jesuit priests, Orlando Yorio and Franz Jalics, were kidnapped from the slum where they worked, held for five months in an army torture center, then dumped, drugged and disoriented, in a barrio outside the capital. The case fell out of the public eye until 1999, long after Argentina's return to democracy, and not long after Father Bergoglio had been named archbishop of Buenos Aires. A former leftist guerrilla who had become a prominent journalist, Horacio Verbitsky, published an article questioning the cleric's role in the case, under the headline, "What did you do during the Dirty War, Father?"
The article quoted Father Yorio as saying the future pope "didn't warn us of the danger" and ostracized the two due to their work in slums, seen as hotbeds of subversion. Father Yorio was quoted saying he had no "reason to think that [Bergoglio] did anything to win our liberty, rather quite the opposite."
The role of the Catholic Church and other institutions during the dictatorship took on greater weight when Mrs. Kirchner's late husband, Néstor, became president in 2003. He revoked a previous government's amnesty for officials from the dictatorship, and began prosecuting long dormant human- rights cases.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324532004578362632464607740.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLE_Video_second
While I admittedly have not read up a great deal on this subject I did however come accross some articles I was saving to read at some point. So here are some more tidbits for anyone else looking into this in more detail...
Secret Instructions of the Jesuits - Revealed at Last!!
http://www.reformation.org/secret.html (http://www.reformation.org/secret.html)
Ex-Gautemala Bishop - Jesuits Are Spiritual Controllers Of NWO
http://rense.com/general73/ener.htm (http://rense.com/general73/ener.htm)
The Most Powerful Man In The World? The "Black" Pope
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/blackpope.htm (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/blackpope.htm)
Zorg
i made that same mistake and had to re-read books words and then go find a picture of the pope
the cross is made of iron ..it's not the iron cross
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so far i like his very direct style..should be interesting to see how the politics of the church handles him
bts
i read a few articles about him and that the two priests were opposite his think and his strict views of the church and that they we were too progressive for his liking but that he was working to get them freed..just not real fast....i looked but can't find the article again ..sorry
i was raised catholic and have not cared a fig since i left my mothers house what the church was doing but this guy for whatever reason has drawn my curious attention
the jesuits as a group aren't to be messed with..sorta the mafia of the church ..but on their own terms..at least from what i have read and been told by a few with personal experience of them
i think it's going to get interesting
8)
looks like a Knights of Malta Banker is also in charge of the finances...
Pope Oks German lawyer to head embattled Vatican bankQuoteVATICAN CITY - Pope Benedict XVI signed off on one of the last major appointments of his papacy Friday, approving a German lawyer and financier to head the Vatican's embattled bank.
Ernst von Freyberg has solid financial and Catholic credentials as a former investment banker and member of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, an ancient chivalrous order drawn from European nobility.
The appointment ends a nine-month search after the Institute of Religious Works ousted its previous president, Ettore Gotti Tedeschi, for incompetence. The ouster came just as the Vatican was submitting its finances to a review by a Council of Europe committee in a bid to join the list of financially transparent countries.
The Vatican said von Freyberg, currently the chairman of a Hamburg-based ship component group Blom+Voss Group, had been appointed by the bank's commission of cardinals and that the pope had "expressed his full consent."
The appointment may well be one of the last major decisions of Benedict's papacy given his planned retirement Feb. 28, and signals what the Vatican hopes will be a revived push to clean up its reputation in international financial circles.
The Vatican passed the Council of Europe Moneyval committee's transparency test over the summer, but the IOR and the Vatican's financial watchdog agency received failing grades. The new president will be tasked with bringing the IOR into compliance by Moneyval's next review.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/pope-oks-german-lawyer-head-embattled-vatican-bank-140333952.html (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/pope-oks-german-lawyer-head-embattled-vatican-bank-140333952.html)
If I'd meant Iron Cross I'd have written it that way. As above, the cross is made of iron, lowercase.
Perhaps wearing an iron cross, lowercase, is his way of wearing the Iron Cross without wearing the Iron Cross.
The irony remains. An Italian from Argentina, a country where many Nazis ended up, has been elected Pope.
The list of "coincidences" continues to grow.