Nasa's Stunning New Mars Photo Shows Mount Sharp With Earth-Like Lighting QuoteNasa has released a new, incredibly detailed picture of a giant mountain on Mars.
Mount Sharp, also known as Aeolis Mons, is located in Mars' enormous Gale Crater, and rises more than 3 miles above the surface.
The $2.5 billion rover Curiosity is currently perched on its slopes looking for chemical hints that life once existed on the planet.
It took the new photograph over dozens of separate exposures, using the 100-millimeter telephoto lens camera.
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1042358/thumbs/o-PIA16768-570.jpg?2)
QuoteNasa released the picture in a 'white balanced' version which shows what the mountain would look like under Earth lighting.
The effect is an eerie Earth-like image, but one which is also distinctly alien.
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1042358/thumbs/o-PIA16768-570.jpg?7)
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1042366/thumbs/o-PIA16768-570.jpg?6)
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/03/18/nasas-stunning-new-mars-photo-mount-sharp_n_2898965.html
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Obvious question here, but, what makes that picture look distinctly alien?
Quote from: Pimander on March 18, 2013, 12:36:46 PM
Obvious question here, but, what makes that picture look distinctly alien?
Certainly not that clay banked dry lake bed at the base... :0
Quote from: Littleenki on March 18, 2013, 02:03:38 PM
Certainly not that clay banked dry lake bed at the base... :0
Precisely what I thought it looked like.
There must be water underground on Mars if it is warm down there. Now we just need to meet the critters
Quote from: Pimander on March 18, 2013, 12:36:46 PM
Obvious question here, but, what makes that picture look distinctly alien?
To me, the lack of signs of water erosion. :)
It will be interesting to see the NASA response, when Water starts to erupt from below the surface of Mars.
A fairly common "phenomena" seen in other planets throughout this Universe... :)
It's due to happen possible not too far away in the Future (impossible to say exactly when)
Could introduce some intense observation and the rewriting of some human based theory, which could change our understanding of Earths behaviour too.
This (the huge eruptions of Water) has happened on Earth before, as well as the Seas disappearing.
Both just part of the same "Thermal" cycle.
Guess we will just have to be patient in waiting, and see what happens... :)
Quote from: Pimander on March 18, 2013, 12:36:46 PM
Obvious question here, but, what makes that picture look distinctly alien?
Obvious answer..
Because NASA says so ;D
::)
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 18, 2013, 09:03:18 PM
It will be interesting to see the NASA response, when Water starts to erupt from below the surface of Mars.
Speaking of water...
I have been getting a small trickle of text link ads from an independent agent. Nothing big a few bucks one time deal for 1 year.
These few links are on a couple of pages, almost unnoticable by the average reader (in fact a couple are in the meta tag) These are designed mostly for robots. As I said in the money thread ads like this can net $30.00ish per month but this is just getting our feet wet as it were.
But you all need to see this one... What is important here is WHERE the links are and WHO paid for them...
First here is the page that it is on....
Does the Moon Have an Atmosphere? (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Moon_Atmosphere.html)Now text link ads come in three forms
1) words in the meta tag (hidden)
2) a single word with a link (no popup like google adsense
3) a small phrase or line of text that is relevant to the page, but links to the ad.
Okay these ones are type three so go down that page and look at;
17) Water in Atmosphere?
21) Water Filtration Systems - Lessons Learned for Space
:o :P ;D
::)
hey that's good new ;D
too bad no one knows how to count the visitors/lurkers/not members
into the head count for more bucks ???
Quote from: sky otter on March 18, 2013, 09:17:57 PM
too bad no one knows how to count the visitors/lurkers/not members
into the head count for more bucks ???
Views are views, regardless of being members or not.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 18, 2013, 08:40:42 PM
To me, the lack of signs of water erosion. :)
What do you think the greyer mineral is? How did it get there and look like that?
Quote from: Pimander on March 18, 2013, 11:47:57 PM
What do you think the greyer mineral is? How did it get there and look like that?
I don't understand what greyer mineral you are talking about, but I know that I don't have the slightest idea of how any of those minerals got there. :)
The greyer material at the bottom of the mountain in the pictures above. ::)
Thank for the Link Z I love the one re. Cloud Above the Crater Alphonsus - 1956
Looks like even our moon has similar behaviour... :) even though to date No evidence
has been found on our moon. But obviously some thermal activity exists...
Re. "Cloud Above the Crater Alphonsus - 1956"
if so, then convectional eddies will probably exist below the moons surface.
http://www.odec.ca/projects/2004/ross4f0/public_html/tectonicplates.jpg (http://www.odec.ca/projects/2004/ross4f0/public_html/tectonicplates.jpg)
Much of our Resources come from
inside our Planet..
Which are released through Thermal Vents.
This includes minerals, water and atmosphere.
Mars and Tectonic plates...
http://io9.com/5933638/plate-tectonics-confirmed-on-mars
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17vjmgbt15uuwjpg/original.jpg (http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17vjmgbt15uuwjpg/original.jpg)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120809155831.htm
Quote"Mars is at a primitive stage of plate tectonics. It gives us a glimpse of how the early Earth
may have looked and may help us understand how plate tectonics began on Earth," said An Yin,
a UCLA professor of Earth and space sciences and the sole author of the new research.
Much of a Planets environment comes from within the Planet Via "Tectonic Vents" or thermally
produced "Vents".
I suspect they will find more Tectonic Plates on Mars, than presently thought.
Quote from: Pimander on March 19, 2013, 12:30:33 AM
The greyer material at the bottom of the mountain in the pictures above. ::)
It looks more blue than grey to me, that's why I didn't understand what you meant by grey. :)
It looks like the same blueish dust that can be seen almost everywhere on Mars and that many people think it's water.
I don't know what it may be.
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 19, 2013, 12:43:56 AM
Thank for the Link Z I love the one re. Cloud Above the Crater Alphonsus - 1956
yeah it's an old page on lunar atmosphere :P but did you look at those two paid for links?
:o
::)
Quote from: ArMaP on March 19, 2013, 01:21:22 AM
It looks like the same blueish dust that can be seen almost everywhere on Mars and that many people think it's water.
I didn't say it looks like water. I said my first thought was it looks like it could have been deposited by water. It looks like it is a finer material, like clays on Earth that were deposited by....... water.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 19, 2013, 01:21:22 AM
It looks like the same blueish dust that can be seen almost everywhere on Mars and that many people think it's water.
Yes the Hematite spheres that NASA "scientist" called 'Blue Berries' (because he was eating a muffin at the time) They would have been deposited by water. There is a similar looking sedimentary bed in Utah that has the same spheres... but the ones on Earth are brown and generally bigger.
Martian Blueberries
(http://www.astro.cornell.edu/img/large/blueberries_op_mars.jpg)
Utah concretions
(http://unews.utah.edu/wp-content/uploads/sf1.jpg)
Hematite is used in jewelry/lapidary. A small percent is hard with a blue/black shiny luster. What makes the martian ones so blue and so abundant is still a big mystery
As to people thinking they are water, even one NASA "scientist" fell for that...made a big case for liquid water found on Mars... until a blogger pointed out that the photo he used as proof was actually on a hillside. i can't find that article right now as it's buried in the new articles. Maybe ArMap remembers... it was a picture like the blueberries above
..oops found it...
(http://thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Opportunity_Sol_128/Sol_135_1P140169092EFF3174P2374L234567M1.JPG)
So from a distance they do look like water. And there are billions of them... entire fields of them. They are also extremely blue because no matter the intensity you set, they are bright blue
(http://thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Opportunity_Sol_037/Snail_001.png)
This one the swedimentary rock is about the same color as those here in Nevada and Utah desert..
(http://thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Opportunity_Sol_103/Sol_103_1P137328724EFF2121P2576L234567M1.JPG)
Quote from: Pimander on March 19, 2013, 02:26:05 AM
I didn't say it looks like water. I said my first thought was it looks like it could have been deposited by water. It looks like it is a finer material, like clays on Earth that were deposited by....... water.
Those rocks are definitely sedimentary there really is no question to any geologist looking at them. Since spectography has identified the spheres as hematite then they would have been deposited by water. I have hundreds of the blue berry pictures and the range from larger oblong shapes, through smaller spheres to a fine blue dust. Since Hematite is iron ore it would collect in crevices as the finer sandstone surrounding it blows away
Here is the story...
Tuesday, June 12, 2007
No puddles on Mars (http://space.newscientist.com/data/images/ns/cms/dn12026/dn12026-2_283.jpg)
QuoteIt was an astonishing claim: Mars may have puddles of liquid water on its surface today. That was the conclusion Ron Levin and Daniel Lyddy of Lockheed Martin in Arizona, US, recently came to after analysing an image taken by NASA's Opportunity rover (see image at left).
QuoteBut it turns out the claim is impossible for an entirely different ? and much more basic ? reason: the terrain in question is on the side of a crater, and is therefore sloped too greatly for water to pool into puddles.
QuoteIn the end, it was savvy readers who first pointed the error out to us over the weekend, sending in panoramic images pinpointing the location of the purported puddles. Though it seemed clear from those images that the terrain was sloped, I found it hard to believe that the researchers themselves could have missed such an obvious ? and crucial ? detail.
But apparently they had, analysing just the smaller images without understanding the larger context of their surroundings ? missing the forest for the trees. "I want to retract the claim in the paper that the smooth area we discussed was 'standing liquid water'," Levin acknowledged on Tuesday. "I am sorry that we made such a large mistake."
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/space/2007/06/no-puddles-on-mars.htmlNot NASA scientist but Lockheed Martin :P
I only studied Geology to A-level so can't claim special knowledge. I have to agree with you Z - if water was there to deposit the minerals then there is still water on Mars today.
If life started in Geothermal waters on Earth and there is water under the surface of a geologically active Mars then there is every chance there is life.
Then there is the Cydonia! Well perhaps that is an SRI fantasy but the part about the water is true..... ;) :P
Quote from: Pimander on March 19, 2013, 02:26:05 AM
I didn't say it looks like water.
I didn't say you did. :)
QuoteI said my first thought was it looks like it could have been deposited by water. It looks like it is a finer material, like clays on Earth that were deposited by....... water.
From what I have seen on other photos, both from orbit and on the ground, that bluish dust looks heavier than the yellow/orange dust, as it remains in the lower areas, like inside small craters.
Clays have been spotted in other areas (I don't remember if this is one of those), but, anyway, I don't think of clays as a sign of water erosion, I think of them more as a result of water action.
To me, water erosion is something like rounded pebbles, created by rolling in streams, or gullies made by fallen rain. Not one of those is visible in this photo, while on Earth we would be seeing, at least, rounded edges on some rocks or marks of old streams in the lower areas.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 19, 2013, 10:13:59 PM
Clays have been spotted in other areas (I don't remember if this is one of those), but, anyway, I don't think of clays as a sign of water erosion, I think of them more as a result of water action.
Agreed. Clay is deposited by water.
It may be heavier but it also may be deposited by low lying water that is no longer on the surface....
It must be fixed or it would have been moved by wind - like cement? What do you think?