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MSL SOL107-109-MASTCAM
I don't think it's water. It looks like sand to me.
What a desolate place.
I agree, it looks like sand.
And it looks like it's not horizontal, something that water (or any other liquid) should be.
I will take a look at the original photo. :)
ty armap
well i can see the sand also on lower left hand side all most like a beach.I can see the line where the sand ends and a liquid in a pool,alos can see the reflection in the liquid .Its much easier to say hey its sand and end the post. ARmap I follow your post and u looking into it with some value to your comment is awsome ty.
Quote from: VillageIdiot on March 24, 2013, 10:21:04 PM
I don't think it's water. It looks like sand to me.
What a desolate place.
And the planet mars is red with a red sky too I suppose you still believe?
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b28/EdSchelling/1996361-marsspirit.jpg)
(This is a mars spirit image from back in the day)
If the image of the proported "water" image is a valid image then if it's a illusion or trickery of light and no water there, then what could make the sand such a darker color than the immediate surrounding soil/sand and rocks? Perhaps it was freshly wet from Ice that has melted recently? Or in fact there is indeed water or some form of liquid, which could be the case because there seems to be reflection of some sort and you can see shadowing from the over hanging and inset rocks. Its a great picture but we need to break it down a little more.
Edward
I thought I left the d*cks behind at ATS.
The place looks like one big rock to me. I'm looking at it on a smartphone. Do you know how big a smartphone is? Not very. What I see looks like sand with shadows on it from overhanging rock.
If you want to believe there's water on Mars, fine. Believe. Believe in the F'ing Easter Bunny. I don't care. But don't come around asking for an opinion and then jump my sh*t when I give you one.
It's a rock. It's always going to be a rock. Stop wasting your time on pipe dreams. There are more interesting planets.
:P :P :P
woah, horsey, woah horsey..........Simmer down pardner.
You are right about one thing, there are more interesting planets. Namely the one we called Earth. Lot's of cool stuff to still discover or shall I say be let known. That's why we are all here right? ;)
Edward
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I thought I left the d*cks behind at ATS.
The place looks like one big rock to me. I'm looking at it on a smartphone. Do you know how big a smartphone is? Not very. What I see looks like sand with shadows on it from overhanging rock.
If you want to believe there's water on Mars, fine. Believe. Believe in the F'ing Easter Bunny. I don't care. But don't come around asking for an opinion and then jump my sh*t when I give you one.
It's a rock. It's always going to be a rock. Stop wasting your time on pipe dreams. There are more interesting planets.
:P :P :P
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Ed,
I was addressing the person(s) giving me a hard time about my succinct post above.
No worries.
Quote from: VillageIdiot on March 25, 2013, 12:17:49 AM
Ed,
I was addressing the person(s) giving me a hard time about my succinct post above.
No worries.
I feel like Im in a South park episode right now.
"ooooohhhhh Naggers, my bad" :P ;D
Opps, :o :(
Edward
Guess that person would be me lol.Not sure how i was giving u a hard time what so ever
Here (http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00109/mcam/0109MR0684009000E1_DXXX.jpg) is the original photo.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 25, 2013, 12:46:53 AM
Here (http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00109/mcam/0109MR0684009000E1_DXXX.jpg) is the original photo.
From that angel it looks like a better picture. It's clearly shading with shadow's giving the sand a darker color.
Thanks.
Edward
And here (http://gigapan.com/gigapans/126202) is a GigaPan panorama from that area. No signs of water in sight.
(I had added this to my previous post, but as it wasn't the last post when I finished modifying my post I thought it was better to make a new post)
ty ArMap
Another version of the panorama, this time with the horizon in the right position. :-[
I forgot the link. ;D
It's this one (http://gigapan.com/gigapans/126203).
Quote from: ArMaP on March 25, 2013, 12:46:53 AM
Here (http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00109/mcam/0109MR0684009000E1_DXXX.jpg) is the original photo.
Damn if that doesn't look PhotoShopped.
Underneath the overhanging rock on the left, foreground.
So u think it it fine sand that seems like the liquid im talking about ArMap. For me still looks like liquid.
Quote from: VillageIdiot on March 25, 2013, 01:15:23 AM
Damn if that doesn't look PhotoShopped.
If it was Photoshopped nobody would notice. :)
Quote from: dragar on March 25, 2013, 01:21:06 AM
So u think it it fine sand that seems like the liquid im talking about ArMap.
Yes, just sand, only extreme fine sand.
QuoteFor me still looks like liquid.
If it was a liquid, the sand below it would appear with a different colour, right?
And there would be a "frontier" between the liquid and the dry ground near it.
Also, an extremely fine dust acts like a liquid, the original Diesel engines could use, besides what is now called Diesel fuel, several types of oil or coal dust.
Quote from: Edward on March 24, 2013, 10:53:54 PM
And the planet mars is red with a red sky too I suppose you still believe?
We settled the blue sky issue long ago :P Even ArMaP is on board with that. And the new NASA images from Curiosity are now showing blue skies.
As to water Well this one sure looks wet with reflection. Doesn't look like Mars though. I will have to see the original source. I am sure ArMap has it by now :D
But why all the fuss about water on Mars? NASA already told us day time temps in summer can reach 80 F And ESA already showed us snow and a frozen lake...
(http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/multimedia/gallery/ESA_Mars_Crater.jpg)
Awesome Photo Z.... I wonder if Mars has "Sinkholes" too.
Also this huge river delta
(http://thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars3/Delta01.png)
Lakes
(http://thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars3/Lakes01.png)
Pack Ice Spotted Near the Mars Equator
(http://thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Water/050316_Mars_Packice_02.jpg)
Plates of apparent fractured pack ice spotted near the Mars equator (left) compared to ice in the Weddell Sea, Antarctica. Credit: Nature
Glacier at Base of Olympus Mons Volcano on Mars
(http://thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Water/050316_Mars_Glacier_02.jpg)
A glacier at the base of the towering Olympus Mons volcano on Mars (left) compared to an Antarctic glacier. Deposits in the left image are darkened for emphasis. Credit: Nature/ESA/ David Marchant
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 25, 2013, 09:50:03 AM
Awesome Photo Z.... I wonder if Mars has "Sinkholes" too.
Yeah a few :D
(http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0705/marshole_hirise.jpg)
(http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0709/PSP_004847_1745_cut_b.jpg)
(http://www.it-ca.net/Physics/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/mars-pits-overview_30639_600x450-e1293058804721.jpg)
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/bt513248b8.jpg)
Water under the Surface of Mars ?
I think so.... :)
Quote from: ArMaP on March 25, 2013, 02:03:56 AM
If it was Photoshopped nobody would notice. :)
It doesn't look right. It looks blurry under there and too uniform.
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 25, 2013, 10:10:17 AM
Water under the Surface of Mars ?
I think so.... :)
So do I. I base that opinion on the fact that liquid water has existed on the surface in the past and the temperature beneath the surface could allow liquid water to exist for long periods of time - perhaps enough to allow life to survive down there.
Quote from: zorgon on March 25, 2013, 09:50:16 AM
Lakes
(http://thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars3/Lakes01.png)
I think those "lakes" are mesas. :)
Quote from: Pimander on March 25, 2013, 01:32:45 PM
So do I. I base that opinion on the fact that liquid water has existed on the surface in the past and the temperature beneath the surface could allow liquid water to exist for long periods of time - perhaps enough to allow life to survive down there.
And the pressure is higher, although I don't how much the pressure increases with depth.
Quote from: ArMaP on March 25, 2013, 02:16:44 PM
And the pressure is higher, although I don't how much the pressure increases with depth.
Well the Mariana trench on Earth is 10km deep and has a pressure of 1000 bars (1000 times atmospheric pressure). It is also almost completely dark. The temperarue is between 1C and 4C. Is there life there?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Marianatrenchmap.png/461px-Marianatrenchmap.png)
QuoteXenophyophores have been found in the trench by Scripps Institution of Oceanography researchers at a record depth of 10.6 km (6.6 mi) below the sea surface.[6] On 17 March 2013, researchers reported data that suggested microbial life forms thrive in the Mariana Trench.[7][8] Other researchers reported related studies that microbes thrive inside rocks up to 1900 feet below the sea floor under 8500 feet of ocean off the coast of the northwestern United States.[7][9] According to one of the researchers,"You can find microbes everywhere — they're extremely adaptable to conditions, and survive wherever they are."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariana_Trench
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxUZM-cLtGg
We KNOW that life can survive in those conditions so beneath the surface of Mars looks like a possibility.
Then there is the alien base at Cydonia. That looks like pure BS to me though.... :o
ArMap the "I think this one" link takes us to a photograph of a beach. Nevermind the biggish rock midpicture--behind it is a cove beach and hillside beyond the cove waters. You can see salt deposits and breakers on the beach. Of course NASA has always photoshopped and airbrushed to eradicate whatever ET craft might have inadvertantly wandered in view, and they ALWAYS change the hue of photos before we see them...so we keep seeing a red planetscape. Mars looks a lot like Arizona and New Mexico up close and in person. Red in some places, but not in general.
Peace and Love,
JD
Im getting my schwimm-flugels on!
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Quote from: ArMaP on March 25, 2013, 02:01:48 PM
I think those "lakes" are mesas. :)
Well actually they are melts in the ice... what you are looking at is the polar ice cap. In this case most likely CO
2 ice
Quote from: Anynonmouses on March 25, 2013, 02:49:27 PM
ArMap the "I think this one" link takes us to a photograph of a beach.
What "I think this one" link? ???
QuoteNevermind the biggish rock midpicture--behind it is a cove beach and hillside beyond the cove waters. You can see salt deposits and breakers on the beach.
I have seen many people confuse sand dunes with waves, but dunes remain in the same place in different photos, while waves are always moving, so they should be easy to spot on different photos.
QuoteOf course NASA has always photoshopped and airbrushed to eradicate whatever ET craft might have inadvertantly wandered in view, and they ALWAYS change the hue of photos before we see them...so we keep seeing a red planetscape. Mars looks a lot like Arizona and New Mexico up close and in person. Red in some places, but not in general.
No need to change the hue of the photos, just a little dust in the air makes photos look reddish.
And by using NASA photos you can get nice images of blue skies.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img140/5305/2p261833623effay00p2298kk9.jpg)
Quote from: zorgon on March 25, 2013, 05:13:14 PM
Well actually they are melts in the ice... what you are looking at is the polar ice cap. In this case most likely CO2 ice
The image below was rotated to have the north at the top of the image. The yellow arrow points to the direction of the light in the scene, according to the data in this page (http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/r03_r09/images/R07/R0701100.html).
(http://imageshack.us/a/img441/7516/r0701100.png)