Area 51 Experience Tour
Anyone who wants to go on a guided trip to Area 51...
Joerg Arnu from Dreamland resort has organized one in early April..5th to 7th 2013..
From his website ........His words...
I am excited to let you all know about an upcoming, exclusive guided Area 51 tour on April 5-7, 2013. I will be guiding the tour around the perimeter of Area 51, and other experts will provide insight from their area of expertise. This will be a unique opportunity for those who always wanted to know more about the secret base... and a lot of fun!
The tour includes a visit to the Atomic Testing Museum and Area 51 exhibit in Las Vegas, lectures, a guided tour of the Area 51 perimeter with skywatch at the Black Mailbox at night and overnight stay at the Little A'Le'Inn in Rachel.
The tour is organized by Alpventures Top Secret Tours. Please see the attached link for more information and to sign up for the event.
Attached link: Area 51 Experience tour, April 5-7, 2013
http://www.alpventures.com/topsecret/TS_area51_tour_EVENTS.html#.UVdsXjcRaSo
Thanks but I will pass. Joerg Arnu doesn't believe anything about UFO's and Aliens and thinks Bob and John are lunatics :P
Besides I can visit the test site and the museum anytime I need and getting to Area 51, the closest you will get is those signs...
Here is a rare picture when we had a lot of snow in 2010
(http://www.lazygranch.com/images/fg/warningsigns.jpg)
That is about as close as you will get to anything :P
If your really brave you might make it to the back gate. I doubt that will be on the tour though
(http://www.lazygranch.com/images/bg/bg_jan_2010.jpg)
Seems this guy followed some gravel trucks to the gate :D
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_OEQH6e3VqNU/SyMvKuz6xJI/AAAAAAAAAak/NteZSk_Xqo8/s400/Area51trip121109+019.jpg)
http://theparadiserancharea51.blogspot.com/2009/12/area-51-winter-wonderland.html
Hi "Z",
I wasn't sure if I should post the details or not...
Delete it if you think best..
As you say about Joerg....
He promotes his trip and includes part that refers to Bob Lazar...
But we know that he say that he does not believe the story and says hes a fraud.
As you say... all you will probably see is the Desert and the tracks & the Gates...with Rachel & the Little Alien.
But for anyone who has not been..I suspect for many would not attempt the trip out their without a guide...
I wonder how well those trips would have done in the past in the early days after Bobs story became known..
And I wonder How many trips Glen Campbell would have done in his time and if it was a good business for him..!
Talking about Joerg...
I watched a TV program about the Nevada Triangle that showed Joerg talking and looking around close to Area 51...
I am trying to find where he was & when I asked him he said that he could not tell me..
I wonder if anyone knows the location where is was standing when he was searching for a crashed aircraft that came down in 1979 near Groom Lake..
I did find some info below & I have asked Peter Merlin who says he visited it but that he cannot recall exactly where..
I wonder if anyone knows..I believe that Its on the Rachel side of Area 51..
This was my message to Peter Merlin..
I wonder if you can advise me..
I was watching a TV program called the Nevada Triangle...About the disappearence of Steve Fosset....and part of the program referred to Area 51...and showed Joerg travelling around the area for a Crashed F4 aircraft that crashed in 1979..If I recall he was with someone called Jim Barfield..a Aircrash engineer..
Looking at the area on the progam.. It seemed that Joerg was high up looking down across a valley towards Area 51 and it showed a Cameo Dude quite a distance below him.
(see 5 minutes into the video..)
I wonder if you could tell me where the site is and where he was looking from..
I believe its more on the Rachel side of Area 51..but I don't know the exact location..
It shows Joerg travelling down a rough track...
later he is stood on a view point at 6 mins 11 secs.. can you tell me where that is ?
There is a good view on the video at 6 mins 20 secs to 6 min 30 seconds looking to what I think is Area 51 or its surrounding mountains..( I dont think its from the 375 highway looking west..)
Again do you know where this is ?
Hope you don't mind me asking ! I am just curious...
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I just found the lower links below on dreamland site..
I can see one crash that took lace in 1979..
unfortunately it does not say exactly where it took place..or show a map..
It just says that it was at
North end of Groom Range
about 6 miles SSW of Rachel
I wonder if you have the cordinates or can tell me where to look on google maps !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV0CREum5jM
http://www.dreamlandresort.com/info/crash_sites.html
http://www.dreamlandresort.com/info/crash_2.html
I wonder if this is the crash that is mentioned in the video ?
USAF F-4D (serial #66-0227), crashed on ingress during Red Flag, no survivors North end of Groom Range
about 6 miles SSW of Rachel March 7, 1979
Quote from: astr0144 on March 29, 2013, 11:49:34 PM
I wasn't sure if I should post the details or not..
Go ahead :D
QuoteAs you say about Joerg....
He promotes his trip and includes part that refers to Bob Lazar...
Yeah he doesn't believe the guy but uses his name to make money... I call that foul play. Friedman does the same thing
QuoteBut we know that he say that he does not believe the story and says hes a fraud.
If I was Bob I would be suing the asshole every time he mentioned my name and called me a fraud. these jerks have nothing so they need to drag Bob's name up because anyone with any brain knows there is no Area 51 story without Bob.
QuoteAs you say... all you will probably see is the Desert and the tracks & the Gates...with Rachel & the Little Alien.
Times are tough the Inn needs business :P i wonder if Joergie gets a kickback
QuoteBut for anyone who has not been..I suspect for many would not attempt the trip out their without a guide...
True enough... not smart to poke around there on your own, but on the other hand NO ONE has ever been shot for trespassing yet. ;) As long as your on the outside of the gates you may get hassled, you may lose your camera, but you won't get shot
QuoteI wonder how well those trips would have done in the past in the early days after Bobs story became known..
And I wonder How many trips Glen Campbell would have done in his time and if it was a good business for him..!
Glen Campbell used to do regular trips and until recently did the odd one every year... But seriously, there are not really that many serious people booking trips to A51
And you could just ask him :P
http://www.glenn-campbell.com/
(http://www.ufomind.com/area51/articles/1994/nyt_940624/campbell.jpg)
Quote from: astr0144 on March 30, 2013, 12:05:38 AM
North end of Groom Range
about 6 miles SSW of Rachel
I wonder if you have the cordinates or can tell me where to look on google maps !
About 6 miles SSW of Rachel March 7, 1979 on Google Earth :P
I am sure he won't tell you where it is exactly because it will just attract tourists and scroungers :D
Hi "Z",
Yes...No doubt that will be the reason..
QuoteI am sure he won't tell you where it is exactly because it will just attract tourists and scroungers
Just realized its not as far as I was initially thinking..
Its off one of the trails off the Back Gate Road Just south of Rachel & somewhere between Bald Mountain that goes into one of Area 51s North Entrance...where he is looking down to the valley & Rachel..
That is relatively close to Area 51 no doubt...I wonder how many crashes have occurred & if that may be one of the closest to the base..
Quote6 miles SSW of Rachel
Glenn Campbell was doing a TV Pitch called "Extreme Weekend" last I knew and he said he was done with anything Area-51. One must wonder why a successful computer programmer leaves his normal life behind and moves to Rachel back after Lazar made his disclosure??
I have wondered if Glenn Campbell is exactly who he is. Chuck Clarke was raided by The FBI and The Joint Terrorism Task Force when he lived in Rachel for unhooking sensors on BLM land or public land leading to the famous Groom signs. Well Glenn did the same thing on camera and was never arrested or raided as far as i know the question to me always was why was Chuck Clarke singled pout and not Glenn.
Glenn also like Joerg "The Mullet head" Arnue don't believe Lazar but used his name to make money and yes that is wrong for sure.
Stanton Friedman gave up a supposed career in Nuclear physics to become a door to door UFO salesman... He too calls Bob a fraud every time he says anything. What is sad is that these wannbes need Bob to make a career :P
Quote from: astr0144 on March 30, 2013, 04:59:50 AM
Its off one of the trails off the Back Gate Road Just south of Rachel & somewhere between Bald Mountain that goes into one of Area 51s North Entrance...where he is looking down to the valley & Rachel..
Not sure why plane crashes are of such interest in that area. After all it is the Nellis AFB Boming and Testing range. Accidents happen all the time during Red Flag exercises. You get young gung ho pilots from all over the world wanting to show their stuff
I am sure if you call the base commander or the PR office at Nellis they can tell you how many planes crashed
Base Operator, 652-1110
Open: 24/7
Public Affairs - Main Office, 652-2750
Monday - Friday: 7:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m.
Saturday & Sunday: Closed
Public Affairs - Photo Lab, 652-4603
Monday - Friday: 7:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m.
Saturday & Sunday: Closed
Public Affairs - Video Shop, 652-7913
Monday - Friday: 7:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m.
Saturday & Sunday: Closed
Yes, no doubt there are some questions to be asked as to why Glen Campbell has done what he has in his life.
Last I heard of him is that he travels around the USA in his & often sleeps in his car to save on accommodation..often parking in Walmart's around the USA...and he says he does it from choice. He writes his experiences in a blog.I don't know if he can claim benefits in the USA if he says that he is searching for work during his travels.
I suspect this is just a short term thing that hes doing to travel around the USA & that he need not be homeless..
But it seems a strange thing to do after how well known that he became. He has traveled to various countries in his time..
Maybe hes a Gypsy at heart ! :)
No Maybe Not ! seems Glen ran into employment difficulties and struggled to pay for his home..
Glenn Campbell is this dude who lives entirely on the road, with no fixed residence. It started when he was laid off from his job as an airline baggage handler. The good news: He still got to fly for free for three more years without the inconvenience of working for it. The bad news: He had little money and couldn't afford to both travel and maintain a permanent home. The solution: He became deliberately homeless, finding ways to live comfortably and travel continuously while paying little or no rent. (He still has employment, but it doesn't require a fixed location.) This blog recounts some of the things he has learned along the way. It's all about freedom, creativity and finding clever ways to do what you want within the limited resources you have.
http://travel.baddalailama.com/
After all the time that he looked into Area 51 ... it suggests that he decides that he does not believe that Saucers were their..Yet he was possibly in that area more & longer than anyone I am aware about during those days.
Why did he not witness any Saucer flights..was he there well after the various sitings that have been shown to us By A51 Watcher..
Surely he must have known about some of them !
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QuoteGlenn Campbell was doing a TV Pitch called "Extreme Weekend" last I knew and he said he was done with anything Area-51. One must wonder why a successful computer programmer leaves his normal life behind and moves to Rachel back after Lazar made his disclosure??
It seems on the Dreamland resort site that many of the members are more keen on Aircraft from around Nellis than anything else to do with Area 51..and often visit crash sites..Peter Merlin and Joerg seem to do so.
I was interested in that because I saw the "Nevada Triangle" and noticed the views from the location that interested me as Joerg was looking down onto a cameo dude..that Is not the norm when one visits around Area 51..
I was wondering if there may had been another view location of the base.. but from what I am led to believe this is not so..BUT there are other entrances into the base from those tracks that go off the "Back gate Road" that most people are not aware off ! Some lead upto & around Bald Mountain.. where no doubt there will be good views...
But the Public are not allowed to access those areas unfortunately :(
QuoteNot sure why plane crashes are of such interest in that area.
Quote from: zorgon on March 30, 2013, 08:28:10 AM
Stanton Friedman gave up a supposed career in Nuclear physics to become a door to door UFO salesman... He too calls Bob a fraud every time he says anything. What is sad is that these wannbes need Bob to make a career :P
It never seems to occur to these guys that Bob may have been the the victim of fraud.