this subject is a little of everything. it incorporates info from ancient sumer, religious texts, ufo ET stuff. i didn't want to put it in the religious section because i think it has an et / ancient culture theme that makes it more than a religious topic. however, it does assume a few things as regards religion. it's gonna be short and just drop a little odd thought for people who know the subject matter to consider:
if sitchin was right about the pyramid wars, and about enki's role in it, and if i'm right that enki was jesus as well, i would like to point you to the description of his plans to return to the earth as a ruler. remember the jesus coming back stuff? well if he's enki, this could explain why the text says there's a huge battle over it, particularly in light of the info in the pyramid wars.
this concept just struck me today, and it's got me wondering: how is this gonna play out? if you read the text regarding the arrival, it sounds like ufos descending to the planet. i'm rather shocked at the idea.
anybody know what i'm talking about?
Hi undo;
Let me toss this back at you..I think Jesus is the son of God, but
is not enki.Enki and the rest of his clan were the fallen angels of the
bible.These fallen angels dictated the story of their creation to scribes
who wrote on clay tablets.This story is a lie, and was told to convince
humans that the fallen angels were gods to get absolute control to
use humans as slave labor.
Enki and the fallen angels will return using spacecraft (ufo's) and
pretend to be Jesus returning.If a ufo lands near you, and someone
claiming to be Jesus, says, 'come, get in my ship and follow me to
paradice'..DO NOT GET ON THAT SHIP. Jesus will return at a later
date as it is writen. By the way, I really enjoy your writing. I try to
read everything I can find under your name.Thanks for your very
interresting view of the aincients.
08rubicon
rubicon
hi. well unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, according to genesis and pretty much the entire bible, humans were created as servants. if you do a concordance search on that word (servant or servants) you will see we are viewed as servants of the most high god. i don't think he was kidding.
That is the question, isn't it, Beth? remember the terra papers? sounds a lot like your moment of AHA!...
I wouldn't worry too much about it; i would focus more on studying how to become an adept Master as Yasheuh the carpenter was reported to be; after all, we are spiritual beings having a human experience...
seeker
just as the jews are chosen but no one has said for what.
we on the otherhand are probly leftover slaves.
kinda like tunnel boring machines left to rust away.
if there really was a compassionate all powerful god then there would not be children being raped and murdered everyday.
we must crawl out of the ooze on our own.daddy is not here to save us.we are on our own to let the chips fall where they may.to relearn the secrets that have been lost through time and perfect them.
if we are children of god then we will be gods.so our will is the will of god.your prayer is the will of god.
Quote from: robomont on May 11, 2013, 05:03:46 AM
just as the jews are chosen but no one has said for what.
we on the otherhand are probly leftover slaves.
kinda like tunnel boring machines left to rust away.
if there really was a compassionate all powerful god then there would not be children being raped and murdered everyday.
we must crawl out of the ooze on our own.daddy is not here to save us.we are on our own to let the chips fall where they may.to relearn the secrets that have been lost through time and perfect them.
if we are children of god then we will be gods.so our will is the will of god.your prayer is the will of god.
that's the confusing part. jesus said : Ye are gods. he did not preface that by saying they would be gods some day. he used the present tense and implied past tense. they were already gods.
Quote from: the seeker on May 11, 2013, 04:24:28 AM
That is the question, isn't it, Beth? remember the terra papers? sounds a lot like your moment of AHA!...
I wouldn't worry too much about it; i would focus more on studying how to become an adept Master as Yasheuh the carpenter was reported to be; after all, we are spiritual beings having a human experience...
seeker
you mean yasheuh the master mason, right? i mean, if he was the last pharaoh, certainly he knew all the secrets of the order.
undo;
I do not know where in the bible to find 'ye are gods' can you give the
approximate location ? God saw everything he had made, and it was
very good ( genesis 2:31) then came the 'serpent', (enki ?) and things
went downhill from that point on. I think it may be possible from the
sumarian tablets, and bible, that the 'falen angels' may have altered
mans dna.However, it was not to advance humanity, but to retard it to
a more managable level. We may still be going through that process .
A long time ago, there was conflict in heaven.Lucifer chalanged God
for control of the universe...Satan and his followers thought they had
a better method of leadership..Over 100 years ago, Ellen White, wrote
that this earth is like a stage, where satans leadership is demonstrated
to all the inhabitants of the universe. These 'people' come to earth to
compare satans rule to that of God. The condition of this earth is the
result of satans method of leadership ! After adams rebelion, he and
eve were banished from the garden to the earth.After satans rebelion,
he and his followers were cast out of heaver to the earth..Some day,
Gods methods will be vindicated to the entire population of the
universe.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came , and the scripture cannot be broken ;
John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified , and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest ; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High.
i've had time to step back and look at the whole thing, objectively.
the impression i get is, there 3 gods, all interacting with humans. one didn't like humans and was constantly accusing them. this i determined must be the bad guy, cause that's what satan means -- the accuser.
BUT what was he accusing them of? being human? why would he accuse them for what he made them in the first place?
well he didn't make them that way in the first place, now did he?
so that means the first adam was not a human being because it is human beings that the accuser doesn't like.
it's flipped on its head.
the one who does like us, is the one who made us human. he taught noah how to build the ark, for example.
so in effect, the story is presented in the old testament, in favor of the guy who doesn't like humans. the one who is our side, is the one who made us human, has more than once had to run interference for us, his creation.
now you could say "well, the guy who made us human screwed us over" and i would be hard pressed to disagree because i don't know what we were like before we were made human. for all i know, we could've been a bunch of robots. but the issue is, if the guy who made us human spends so much time trying to protect us from the accuser, clearly someone has removed important details from the text.
this is where i began to suspect the vatican had removed key pieces of information and prior to that, the "synagogue of satan" (the accuser (enlil)) had as well, so that it sounds like enlil is just a very patient father figure who just can't help but massacre us at the drop of a hat.
it's a logic puzzle. important details are missing. you have to fill them in by the process of elimination
Quote from: undo11 on May 11, 2013, 09:01:42 AM
you mean yasheuh the master mason, right? i mean, if he was the last pharaoh, certainly he knew all the secrets of the order.
yes, indeed; too many hands have re-written the records for much of anything of value to be discernable; Constantine was one of the first to start the hatchet job on what most deem the scriptures...
does not really matter to me, my nde changed my outlook; 'tis up to each to find their own way, just too many do not seek but blindly follow along...
seeker
Quote from: the seeker on May 11, 2013, 04:24:28 AM
That is the question, isn't it, Beth? remember the terra papers? sounds a lot like your moment of AHA!...
I wouldn't worry too much about it; i would focus more on studying how to become an adept Master as Yasheuh the carpenter was reported to be; after all, we are spiritual beings having a human experience...
seeker
In total agreement Seeker!
The lofty goal of the initiate to become an adept is always the ultimate desire of the truly open minded explorer of man's true accord with the universe.
@undo i almost totally agree w your last statement.thats why i studied all the religions and cherry picked out what fit.most people say they have read the bible but have you really.take every word that says gods throne and replace with ufo.
why would someone execute judgement?every act we do causes judgement and punishment.i can personally motivate people without all that.all sin is ignorance and ignorance is forgivable.once the chain is broken there is no locking the mind back up.by these words i prove im smarter than god.if blasphemy would cause ones death i would have been dead years ago.the only wrath on this planet is from man.self .or nature.
fanatics think they are the hand or servant of god.their ego gets the better of them because no god is allowed to interfere in anothers space.
when heyzeus said we are reborn he meant reincarnated.the church changed to us all burning in hell or going to nirvana for a few and selling tickets through the catholic church.lol.the tickets are free!
peace of mind is too.so strive to be a god and be one or bow to your masters.the choice is ours.in my world im god.in your world you can be too.just believe and eat mustard.but keep your ego under control.for it can lead one astray.dont react just act.imho.
Quote.just believe and eat mustard.
:D
i think where it finally started to make sense, was when i realized the translators had taken out the word adam and replaced it with man, concerning the creation of the first males and females. male and female what? they are called adam. they can't be called man, sexually, because some are female. and the females are not created in the image of the adam but in the image of the elohim. something was seriously wrong with the story the way is explained to us in church.
the way this particular bit is bypassed is to say that creation was when our spirits were created. that makes no sense since there had to be a female concept in the first place for a female spirit to be put in and according to the story, eve was an idea that god came up with after adam was created so adam wouldn't be lonely.
and if adam was male and female, he either had to be a hermaphrodite, in which case he's not a he, or there were male adam and female adam before eve ever came about. in essence, eve was a female adam. adam would have to mean spirit, in order for this subject to suggest the creation of the female adam was simply a spirit, since the word there was originally, ADAM not man. adam was males and females.
on top of that, if you look at the text that describes the creation of eve, when it says she was created from adam, and look up the original word for adam there, it's not adam but iysh. i was like, what the heck is an iysh?
later when she gives birth to cain, she says, she has gotten a man from the lord, yet the word for man there is iysh. why did the translators keep switching around the words related to the male human or related to the adam people?
and why is it we are taught that when the adam was created, male and female, and in the image of elohim, that later they try to make it seem like eve is the first female. how can she be the first female, if there was a female adam before that? PARTS ARE MISSING.
i use to think it was just the result of being highly condensed, now i see they are leaving out details on purpose and not just leaving them out, but making the existing details read a certain way by very clever abuse of the language.
some say he was a hermaphrodite (and like i said before that means he was not a he) and that eve was extracted from him so he would have someone to talk to. but he's not a he until she was extracted, in which case, why do the translators call him a man? ((the text there says adam not man. naughty translators. how can a hermaphrodite be a man? if it means to say homo sapians, then why are gay homo sapians considered to be ungodly since they have male and female characteristics? wouldn't that make them more god like since the adam was created in the image of elohim with both sexes in one body? i mean, this is a freakin' merry go 'round.))
further, how do you extract the essence of females from a rib? was the female part of adam in its rib? (i have to call it, IT, because it's not a male or female under the hermaphrodite approach but both.)
where's the rest of the story?
where'd the iysh come from? i mean that word just comes out of left field. if eve was made from an iysh, she wasn't made from an adam. and if she wasn't made from adam, why is adam male and female.
argh.
i finally realized it was a logic puzzle at this point and started applying my theory to the whole bible.
along comes the story of job. there's an accuser. night and day, the accuser is accusing the humans before the most high god. what's he accusing them of? being human=having sin.
later, i read that the law accuses us of sin. i had to do a double take on that. this was when it started to dawn on me that jesus' reference to the SYNagogue of satan was referring to the accuser. the law accuses us because we are human. being human was the problem. and if being human was the problem, why does jesus and the book of psalms call us gods and children of the most high?
how can the law be satan? that made no sense to me. i had to back track to the first time the word satan shows up in the text. it's not till the time of david. that was a bit of a shocker. so i attempted to find out where it derived from originally and realized the etymology was probably egyptian, from SET (the serpent) + AN (the word for god) = the serpent god.
at this point i had determined that the serpent god of egypt was yet another name for the devil. nothing new here. however, then i came across an even more distressing bit of info.
the word seraphim, which is a race of angels (sons of God) came from the word "seraph" singular form, which is serpent, flying serpent, dragon. things were starting to clear up a teeny tiny bit. here we have a paper trail from the serpent to a son of god to the dragon. now all i had to do was find out which son of god was the dragon or serpent referred to in the text, since there were many serpents because there were many seraphim. some seraphim are in fact, in front of the throne of god, i find out. yeah another double take i did there.
didn't jesus call himself son of God? what was the actual defintion of a son of God? didn't the psalms call us all children (sons) of the most high god? yet we aren't serpents or dragons or angels. how is this possible and furthermore, if many sons of God were dragons/serpents/seraphim, which one was the devil? according to the text the devil is the accuser. sooo, who was always accusing us of being evil and worthy of eternal fire and destruction?
smacked me right upside the head it did.
Undo you've been asking good questions indeed.
I pose this to further the conundrum. Imagine if you will that there are various "entities or gods" shall we say that are vying for control and they each have a hand in what "we/me/you" are as a species. In doing so there are various stories and creation myths spewed out and lost in translation, either intentionally or metaphorically. It seems to me that there may be a larger galactic issue going on here and we are merely pawns in the middle of it all but its much greater than that as such being pawns to a certain extent we are of GREAT VALUE to seemingly various entities. Gotta ask ourselves why is that. Anyways. What if there is a great disinfo campaign going on about various entities as being the evil ones being the decievers, when in fact the ones espousing that "Fallen ones" are the evil doers are perhaps the one's that are perhaps championing for our continued existence. There is a lot of muck in the waters so to speak and from my vantage point it seems like everyone has had a hand in something and there is a lot of finger pointing going on about who is this and who is that.
Edward
ats had a thread stating that the torah or some jewish religion that seems like devil worshipping was actually another name for god.
i just know that first god made man and then later he made adam.
now ive never met a bigfoot but the us army field manual for north american species has a pic and statement on them.
so im deducing that bf was man but wouldnt be a servant to take care of the garden so he made human.later on man probly crossed w human and thats where we are today w all the diff types of humans/man.thats who cain probly married into.not a sister as some claim.
if you add in the lilith story then it really gets crazy.
Perhaps psalm 82 is the problem. 82.1 God standeth in the
congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.. 82.6 I have
said,ye are gods,and all of you are children of themost high. 82.7 But
ye shall die like men.. This is refering to the most high God, talking
to an assembly of lesser gods on how to relate to men ( humans)
Quote from: undo11 on May 11, 2013, 11:58:38 PM
some say he was a hermaphrodite (and like i said before that means he was not a he) and that eve was extracted from him so he would have someone to talk to. but he's not a he until she was extracted, in which case, why do the translators call him a man? ((the text there says adam not man. naughty translators. how can a hermaphrodite be a man? if it means to say homo sapians, then why are gay homo sapians considered to be ungodly since they have male and female characteristics? wouldn't that make them more god like since the adam was created in the image of elohim with both sexes in one body? i mean, this is a freakin' merry go 'round.))
further, how do you extract the essence of females from a rib? was the female part of adam in its rib? (i have to call it, IT, because it's not a male or female under the hermaphrodite approach but both.)
where's the rest of the story?
where'd the iysh come from? i mean that word just comes out of left field. if eve was made from an iysh, she wasn't made from an adam. and if she wasn't made from adam, why is adam male and female.
argh.
i finally realized it was a logic puzzle at this point and started applying my theory to the whole bible.
along comes the story of job. there's an accuser. night and day, the accuser is accusing the humans before the most high god. what's he accusing them of? being human=having sin.
later, i read that the law accuses us of sin. i had to do a double take on that. this was when it started to dawn on me that jesus' reference to the SYNagogue of satan was referring to the accuser. the law accuses us because we are human. being human was the problem. and if being human was the problem, why does jesus and the book of psalms call us gods and children of the most high?
how can the law be satan? that made no sense to me. i had to back track to the first time the word satan shows up in the text. it's not till the time of david. that was a bit of a shocker. so i attempted to find out where it derived from originally and realized the etymology was probably egyptian, from SET (the serpent) + AN (the word for god) = the serpent god.
at this point i had determined that the serpent god of egypt was yet another name for the devil. nothing new here. however, then i came across an even more distressing bit of info.
the word seraphim, which is a race of angels (sons of God) came from the word "seraph" singular form, which is serpent, flying serpent, dragon. things were starting to clear up a teeny tiny bit. here we have a paper trail from the serpent to a son of god to the dragon. now all i had to do was find out which son of god was the dragon or serpent referred to in the text, since there were many serpents because there were many seraphim. some seraphim are in fact, in front of the throne of god, i find out. yeah another double take i did there.
didn't jesus call himself son of God? what was the actual defintion of a son of God? didn't the psalms call us all children (sons) of the most high god? yet we aren't serpents or dragons or angels. how is this possible and furthermore, if many sons of God were dragons/serpents/seraphim, which one was the devil? according to the text the devil is the accuser. sooo, who was always accusing us of being evil and worthy of eternal fire and destruction?
smacked me right upside the head it did.
Hi Undo, I found this website that I thought did a good job of explaining what was going on back in the beginning.
Lots of help with who made who and what their name was [grin]
http://earth-history.com/index.htm
i kinda think of it like a pirate ship in space.some hands decided to jump ship and scew the natives.the captain tried to clean up the mess but the island was too contaminated so he just said screw it and left promising the natives he would come back and save them so to make a safe gettaway.poop happens?
Quote from: robomont on May 12, 2013, 12:58:55 AM
i kinda think of it like a pirate ship in space.some hands decided to jump ship and scew the natives.the captain tried to clean up the mess but the island was too contaminated so he just said screw it and left promising the natives he would come back and save them so to make a safe gettaway.poop happens?
Yeah....something like that [grin]. But check out that link I posted it is really interesting, Cleared up a lot of my questions .
yea i read that site a few years ago.one of the best descriptions ive ever heard .i would back it before i would the bible and i grew up in a christian house.i was a religious nut until 2001.now i find religion the biggest problem in the world.the problem is religion promotes birth and atheism doesnt so the nuts outbread the smarts and here we are.idiocracy run amuk.plus i theorize the financial foundation of this country are the churches.if religion dies then so does the economy.a vibrant economy requires idiots spending money and financing big useless buildings.
Quote from: 08rubicon on May 12, 2013, 12:53:44 AM
Perhaps psalm 82 is the problem. 82.1 God standeth in the
congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.. 82.6 I have
said,ye are gods,and all of you are children of themost high. 82.7 But
ye shall die like men.. This is refering to the most high God, talking
to an assembly of lesser gods on how to relate to men ( humans)
sooo, why would jesus quote the psalms and say that to the apostles?
Quote from: hoss58 on May 12, 2013, 12:56:47 AM
Hi Undo, I found this website that I thought did a good job of explaining what was going on back in the beginning.
Lots of help with who made who and what their name was [grin]
http://earth-history.com/index.htm
i got stuck on the cave of treasures text. i started reading it and realized it was suggesting the adam and eve were booted from the garden and put in a mine to mine "treasure." it doesn't say that, but it sure as heck suggests it. i also kept noticing the references to the "Word" who would come and resurrect adam when he died on several different occassions (odd that). The Word is a title given to Jesus in the New Testament.
Straaange book.
undo;
I do not have the answer as to why Jesus would quote psalm 82.
However, in John 10, Jesus is talking to the Pharisees.As for the
disciples, Jesus chose them carefully.(john 6.70 'have I not chosen
you twelve,and one of you is a devil?) Is it possible that the disciples
may have been more than mere mortals.? Especially after having
been with God (Jesus). Some here on pegasus and at ats, have
wondered if powerfull church and political world leaders may be more
than 'mere mortals' ? This is my thoughts. The Pharisees were
powerfull church leaders of that time.
rubicon
that's possible.
have you read that cave of treasures book?
i can't help but remember sitchin's claim that the human race was made to work the mines on earth, as replacements for the lesser gods, who didn't want to do it anymore, and that the only reason the lesser gods were doing it in the first place, was because they had to rebuild all the infrastructure after some cataclysmic war. they went on strike, and appealed to enki for a solution. so he created humans to solve the problem.
i think that's a bit of a contradiction, considering the references to the garden, which is mentioned in passing. if they were created to mine, why'd they start out in a garden.
my theory was, at the time i first pondered sitchin's work on the subject (based on the actual sumerian-akkadian texts), that the gates of eden were stargates and rather than creating us on earth, he had brought us here thru the gates from the garden. and the garden wasn't even on this planet. the 2 rivers, euphrates and tigris, were given those names afterwards, by the humans who lived in the area, as reminders of their real home (Whereever the garden really was), where the actual rivers mentioned are located.
that doesn't mean that we weren't created by enki elsewhere, but that our expulsion from the gates of the garden, was more like we were forced into the gate, to come here and dig their mines and so forth.
Quote from: undo11 on May 13, 2013, 12:07:29 AM
rubicon
that's possible.
have you read that cave of treasures book?
i can't help but remember sitchin's claim that the human race was made to work the mines on earth, as replacements for the lesser gods, who didn't want to do it anymore, and that the only reason the lesser gods were doing it in the first place, was because they had to rebuild all the infrastructure after some cataclysmic war. they went on strike, and appealed to enki for a solution. so he created humans to solve the problem.
i think that's a bit of a contradiction, considering the references to the garden, which is mentioned in passing. if they were created to mine, why'd they start out in a garden.
my theory was, at the time i first pondered sitchin's work on the subject (based on the actual sumerian-akkadian texts), that the gates of eden were stargates and rather than creating us on earth, he had brought us here thru the gates from the garden. and the garden wasn't even on this planet. the 2 rivers, euphrates and tigris, were given those names afterwards, by the humans who lived in the area, as reminders of their real home (Whereever the garden really was), where the actual rivers mentioned are located.
that doesn't mean that we weren't created by enki elsewhere, but that our expulsion from the gates of the garden, was more like we were forced into the gate, to come here and dig their mines and so forth.
Basically go see Stargate The Movie with James Spader and Kurt Russell and the following Stargate sg-1 series that was made afterwards. 8) Pretty much says it all right there. ;) :) 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaR-V9vIrGU
Edward
edward
you mean like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh6EYbcBv5Y
yeah i've seen the movie several times and the tv shows as well. i have a thread on ats on the subject that's over 300 pages long.
Quote from: undo11 on May 13, 2013, 12:43:09 AM
edward
you mean like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lh6EYbcBv5Y
yeah i've seen the movie several times and the tv shows as well. i have a thread on ats on the subject that's over 300 pages long.
LOL I was just about to post this haha. NICE!!!!!!! 8)
Edward
stargates are real,317 pages.
undo;
Revelation 2.7 'to him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree
of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God'. So,eden must
be in heaven and not on this earth. I have read Beth Vegh' e-books,
stargates are real, and most of Z.Sitchin including the lost book of
enki..As I said earlier, Adam and Eve were thrown out of eden to the
earth, as was satan cast out of heaven on to the earth. Sometimes I
think I know nothing..
Enki coming back ??
I will believe it when I see it .. I'm fairly confident it won't happen.
Enki and Enlil ... Seth and Osiris ... Cain and Able are the names of ancient humans set in a morality tale .. the names may change but the song remains the same.
As for Jesus/Tammuz/Mithra dying for three days from Dec 23 to Dec 26 clearly this is a story about the Sun.
Issa was the son of Mary, a Judean Princess he was also the son of Emperor Tiberius who had a proclivity for humping the Royal families of his subject Kingdoms .. this made him the heir to the Roman throne over the other Roman families .. neither the Romans nor the Pharisee's or the Sadducee's were happy to have a Nazarene overlord so sought to neutralize him .. as to whether he was a Prophet or a Healer he did have the benefit of a Royal education and so had knowledge above that of the average pleb.
A simple soul who shunned the excess of the elite made him a popular character .. deified long after his passing from this mortal coil.
All these stories were lumped together to form a Universal Religion compatible with most cultures .. embracing parts from all cultures.
The Serpent God comes from Gnosticism ... They would call these self proclaimed Gods the Archon's .. the Serpent Reptile Type and the Embryonic Grey Type .. Only in Gnosticism these Gods are not flesh and blood but Ethereal beings who interact with our minds.
Carlos Castaneda wrote some great books about the teachings of the Sorcerer Don Juan .. Gnosticism in all but name .. " When the others came...they did not come in ships...they invaded our minds" ... something to think about.
C..
isa was the son of cleopatra and julius caesar. when julius was killed, cleo sent isa off on the silk route, which eventually took him to israel to stay with relatives. cleo was descendant of king david via the ptolemy line. i have a theory that she faked her own death and met him back in israel and that she is mary. with her husband deceased she was free to remarry.
when it says virgin birth it doesn't mean the woman has never had sex, it means the birth is the result of some kind of artificial insemination.
he was the rightful and legal heir of every throne of import on the planet at the time. thru julius, he was the heir of the roman empire. thru cleo, he was the heir of the egyptian empire, thru king david, he was the heir of the throne of israel. he had so many targets painted on him, it's a wonder he wasnt dead before he was born.
by all accounts, isa was EXACTLY the messiah they were hoping for, but the priests of israel were from a different egyptian school of learning. presumably the temple of set, since jesus identified them as the synagogue of satan. jesus on the other hand, would've been from the school that supported the resurrection of the dead and life and healing, which would've been osiris and isis etc, backwards to the creator. if the creator was enki, which the sumerian texts state, and if the pyramid wars are true, he had dealings with enlil-ites before, who became the temple of set guys later.
theoretically, of course.
Julius and Cleopatra were born 100 yrs before Issa ... Julius died in 45 BC.
It was Tiberius ..
When it says a Virgin birth it means without the father being present or known .. in a pleasant politically correct manner.
The rest we agree .. :)
C..
Quote from: Cosmic4life on May 13, 2013, 01:39:53 AM
Julius and Cleopatra were born 100 yrs before Issa ... Julius died in 45 BC.
It was Tiberius ..
When it says a Virgin birth it means without the father being present or known .. in a pleasant politically correct manner.
The rest we agree .. :)
C..
cleo's son, who was given the roman name caesarian, had the egyptian name esu. she had 2 other children after him, with mark antony. they ended up being 2 of his disciples.
the best explanation i have ever heard, on how it all comes together, is in the video, the ring of power. however, the video is 4 hours long. the versions that have it split into 10-minute chunks, originally had the chunk with the explanation for jesus' identity in it, but some movie company decided to force them to take it down because it has footage in it, from a movie about jesus.
i just went to get it for you to watch, and it's been axed. the rest are there tho but none of them talk about jesus' identity, and how it all works. all they do is briefly mention that he was cleo's son and show pics of his relatives and identify mary as mary of bythinia.
she has some points completely wrong but has enough parts right that it's worth the looksee. i will check if it's been bleeped out of the 3 hour version as well.
here ya go.
it's located at 1:33:33
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX0PHt1HDQI
Actually Cleopatra had Caesarion who was killed by Augustus Octavian (Step Father of Tiberius) ... then Cleopatra Selene II and Alexander Helios the twins .. then Ptolemy Philadelphus.
And as I have already mentioned Julius Caesar/Cleopatra/Mark Anthony are all dead 60-70 yrs before the time of Issa.
Pontius Pilate was the prefect of Judaea from AD 26 -36 in the time of Tiberius.
C..
Quote from: Cosmic4life on May 13, 2013, 02:29:13 AM
Actually Cleopatra had Caesarion who was killed by Augustus Octavian (Step Father of Tiberius) ... then Cleopatra Selene II and Alexander Helios the twins .. then Ptolemy Philadelphus.
And as I have already mentioned Julius Caesar/Cleopatra/Mark Anthony are all dead 60-70 yrs before the time of Issa.
Pontius Pilate was the prefect of Judaea from AD 26 -36 in the time of Tiberius.
C..
did you listen to the whole thing? it's not issa. it's esu in egyptian. the calendar is not correct.
I did not listen to any of it ..
The history of the Roman Republic/Roman Empire is fully documented.
The Calender is absolutely correct.
Pontius Pilate was the prefect of Judaea from AD 26-36 .... any son of Cleopatra would be 70 yrs old at the crucifixion.
It is quite clear that Augustus Octavian had Caesarion killed early in his life.
The true killers of Issa were the Piso and Claudia families who saw themselves as the rightful heirs to Tiberius the adopted son of Augustus Octavian.
The possibility that Caesarion was called Esu in Egypt means nothing .. to connect Esu to Issa/Jesus requires a leap of the imagination/ a Time machine and an SG1 Sarcophagus.
C..
i kinda lean towards undo from what ive read.i think i read a book called the gods of eden and i dont have a problem with the name change as sounds in language change fast.most native american tribes have tales of jesus in the new world from what ive read.
now roman paperwork is a great foundation for researching history so that i will give you.
look at the word cherokee.that could easily be cherub key.
supposedly via book of mormon.lol.there are some lost tribes of israel and native americans could have blended w them.i read somewhere that the secrets may have split.the egyptians may have held onto the darkside by the time jesus comes around but the lightside moved on to some other sect.maybe east.or south to africa along w the ark.moses may have had the ark built but he stole it from the egyptions and sold it to the masses as god gave it to him.it would have powered the snake lightbulbs.there is no doubt at all.the ark for a fact is a giant electricle capacitor.it was designed and built as such.kinda got off track there.
"No documentation has been discovered about his death; because of his young age, it is thought he died of strangulation."
http://www.executedtoday.com/2009/08/27/30-bce-caesarion-little-caesar/
esu is a title. not his real name. in greek it was iesu and iesous. the video says it means "son of isis". check out some of the egyptian names caesarion had and their meanings.
Iwapanetjer entynehem
Setepenptah
Irmaatenre
Sekhemankhamun
These are usually translated as:
"Heir of the God who saves"
"Chosen of Ptah"
"Carrying out the rule of Ra" or "Sun of Righteousness"
"Living Image of Amun"[6]
-------------
also there's "king of kings" (see the donations of alexandria).
the etymology of amun, from egypt to mesopotamia is amen, amun, anu, an, the sumerian god of the heavens. (if you want the full etymology trace, let me know)
amen appears in the bible countless times, at the end of every prayer.
the bible is an egyptian-mesopotamian book
jesus was a pharaoh and even identifies himself as one, by the title, alpha and omega. alpha and omega were names given to the crook and flail of pharaoh, otherwise known as the rod and staff of jehovah. it also identified him as the first pharaoh and the last pharaoh of egypt. caesarion-esu, was the last pharaoh of egypt, literally.
(http://thelivingmoon.com/undomiel/frameset2/alphaomega.jpg)
if the calendar is not wrong, then somebody is lying big time.
he was the jews ticket to world domination (the messiah and fulfillment of the covenant), as he was heir to the two biggest empires on the planet, and the throne of israel. in short, they tossed the baby out with the bathwater. as a result, they have spent the last 2000 years trying to get, by any means necessary, what they could've had fair and square, 2000 years ago.
I agree with C4L, and I prefer not to listen to a 4 hour audio just to hear about ESU/ESSU...It's all semantics. The Romans did a very good job of co-opting local religious practices of their conquered nations. There is historical documentation and a timeline that fits...The Romans called ESU ZEUS, and it was not an honorific. He was king in a pantheon of Gods...King of Kings so to say. All of the other speculation is not new.....It can be found here:
http://www.freedomfighter.co/needtoknow.htm (http://www.freedomfighter.co/needtoknow.htm)
Andy
i went to the trouble of isolating out the exact time in the video where you could watch the information and posted it right above the video so you could skip right to the spot. i'm disappointed that you won't at least attempt to watch it since i went to the trouble to post it and find the information. however, i can't force people to have an actual conversation with me. if it makes you feel better just ignoring the information, that's fine but realize you're arguing against thin air cause you don't know what i'm referring to.
that link you posted does cover some of the information from the video, but there's a great deal missing too.
i suspect also, that if the pyramid wars info is correct, that the entire osiris thing that started at abydos, was a continuation of a long chain of body hopping that started way before narmer, predated the black sea flood and may go all the way back to enki. that's my current theory, anyway.
lmao I'm not going to argue the point any further than this ..
All Pharaohs had many titles.
Cleopatra herself was given the title Queen of Kings by Marc-Anthony.
Augustus called himself Divi Filius .. the Son of God.
Indeed Caesarion was the last Pharaoh.
Yes he was therefore Alpha and Omega as were all Pharaohs .. and he may have been called Esu ... after Isis.
But ... he would have been in his 70's at the crucifixion .. as the crucifixion of Issa took place between AD26 - AD36 .. the time when Pontius Pilate was prefect of Judaea.
But .. Caesarion was killed as a teenager upon the orders of Augustus Octavian in August 23 30 BC.
Yes .. much of the New Testament Bible is Egyptian .. Osiris is the Father and the Holy Ghost ... Isis is the Virgin Mother .. Horus is the Son who was called Kryst.. from which we get Christ and Christianity...Set was the homosexual psychopath brother of Osiris ... a follower of the Aten (The Solar Disc) who became Satan.
But as I have said repeatedly ... the Bible as we know it .. written from AD50 onwards is a mash-up of all Religions of the Middle-East designed to unify all peoples under one God.
The figure in the Bible stories .. the hero if you like is Horus Kryst ... the rest is BS Mathew,Mark, Luke etc etc all made-up BS ... 12 Disciples is the Pantheon ... to bring the Pagans into Christianity.
Sorry Undo but I think you're chasing shadows and making connections that don't exist .. you must see the Bible for what it is now and for what it was before .. it is not an Historical Document .. It is a Morality tale from 10500 BC.
The New Testament is based on the Egyptian story with additions from Paganism (The Pantheon) in the West and Mithras in the East.
The Old Testament has greater historical significance and is based on Sumerian/Mesopotamian history.
Your assertion that Caesarion was Jesus is based only on a Title (Esu) and that the Bible has the word Amen .. your timeline is out by at least 70 yrs .. you cannot connect Caesarion to the time of Pontius Pilate and Barabbas.
The real Jesus is Horus Kryst circa 10500 BC.
The real Issa is the Illegitimate son of Tiberius and Mary of the line of David .. a Nazarene who opposed the Pharisee's and the Sadducee's who had become fully Romanized .. a Nazarene Non-Roman who challenged the houses of Piso and Claudia and Octavia for the Title of Holy Roman Emperor (Who by the way were murdering each-other left right and center).
The Documented history of the Roman Republic/Roman Empire is one of Lust, Envy, Greed, Murder and Deception ... and False Gods.
There is no God-Man coming back to save Mankind from itself ... there never was.
There is no Space-Man or Space-God.
There are no Stargates.
Sitchin was a Fantasist who translated cuneiform to suit his own belief system ... he belongs in the same category as Erich Von Daniken.
Nice story ... Total BS.
C..
no star gates ? what does ezekiel 1 mean when it says a hole opened up in the sky and out of it comes metal flying wheels ?
All of the above information is very good..only one problem..
Enki and company were very good at disinformation..the clay
tablets were just part of the origional false story. The use of
this method of mind control is still in use today, by the msm,
and official accounts of all important events . Most of you will
agree that recent accounts of 9/11, Boston, Sandy hook, and
maybe Texas, do not seem quite correct, somehow.So, why
should we think ancient 'historical writings' should be the whole
truth and nothing but the truth ? The bible may just be more
truthfull than other ancient writings.Who knows for sure ?
Quote from: undo11 on May 13, 2013, 03:04:14 PM
i went to the trouble of isolating out the exact time in the video where you could watch the information and posted it right above the video so you could skip right to the spot. i'm disappointed that you won't at least attempt to watch it since i went to the trouble to post it and find the information. however, i can't force people to have an actual conversation with me. if it makes you feel better just ignoring the information, that's fine but realize you're arguing against thin air cause you don't know what i'm referring to.
that link you posted does cover some of the information from the video, but there's a great deal missing too.
i suspect also, that if the pyramid wars info is correct, that the entire osiris thing that started at abydos, was a continuation of a long chain of body hopping that started way before narmer, predated the black sea flood and may go all the way back to enki. that's my current theory, anyway.
Ok, to be fair, I went to your link and watched from the point you suggested..I saw nothing to change my opinion..I'll stick with historical facts for the time being...This is not to say that I am not open to other histories, but I prefer not to leap from investigative speculation to outright belief. Plutarch (From his Life of Anthony) said
"Caesarion, who was said to be Cleopatra's son by Julius Caesar, was sent by his mother, with much treasure, into India, by way of Ethiopia. There Rhodon, another tutor like Theodorus, persuaded him to go back, on the ground that [Octavian] Caesar invited him to take the kingdom." Caesar then allegedly had him strangled
As for Ezekiel 1....I'm not sure that the word metal was ever used...Fiery wheel within a wheel with four beings on each side.
."he appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl; and they four had one likeness; and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel within a wheel."
I'm not ruling out a star gate, but maybe Ezekiel was experiencing a metaphysical vision...OR, maybe it was some sort of ET craft...Doesn't necessarily mean star-gate..
Oh, and as for the original topic...It's nice to speculate the Enki-ESSU-Jesus connection...And it is provocative and very imaginative....But the Alpha and Omega never left..Just the 3D body, and every one of us is capable of the same thing..Without a Star-gate...I'm not trying to diminish anything you said Undo..I'm just agreeing to disagree...I appreciate all your hard work and have read your Stargate thread, and posted there. Your research efforts are truly amazing...I'm just holding off on the whole RA-Enil-Enki Star-gate connection for the time being..The last time we talked about this was in a thread about the Terra Papers...Enil being the Star Pilot etc..Anyway, I digress...I just didn't want you to think I was disrespecting your work by not watching the Vid.I respect your work immensely..
Andy
the ET craft comes AFTER the gate dials. the wheels that come out of there, are depicting the gate address (theoretically). the four faces are four constellations, the calves feet are a hint that the point of reference is the taurus gate. normally, when artists depict it, they show the 4 cherubim in the center of the wheels. they aren't in the center of the wheel, they are actually part of the wheel -- they are in the wheel. notice how it says they zip off and back again like lightning. that's the gate wheel with the attached cherubim spinning around the gate and back again to the viewer's pov. the lightning is leaping between cherubim embedded in the wheels. when the wheel stops, their wings lock into place. it's a gate dialing sequence. the wheel within a wheel , i don't think that's gyroscopic. more like two wheels, one smaller than the other, both on the same plane. the outer one is spinning, the inner one contains the "eyes" which are the constellations the cherubim wings are locking onto when the outer wheel stops spinning.
the next thing that happens is, suddenly there's a firmament of awesome ice (event horizon) and above the firmanent is a throne that contains the likeness (???) of jehovah (how's he know what jehovah looks like? nobody had ever seen jehovah supposedly. the likeness of jehovah is a big statue type thing that's similar in appearance to a pharaoh statue). it's described as throne of blue sapphire in appearance and emits a rainbow, like a prism with light shining thru it. so theoretically, it's pyramidal in shape, like a crystalline prism.
so anyway. that's my theory. i have a pic i tried to paint of it, not very good mind you but gets the point across.
(http://thelivingmoon.com/undomiel/frameset2/ezekiel1.jpg)
Hey thanks, very interesting..Still to speculative for me, even after seeing all the SG1 and spinoffs.
BTW, I thinks someone is using your image.
http://enkispeaks.com/2013/01/04/2474/ (http://enkispeaks.com/2013/01/04/2474/)
Andy
Quote from: andolin on May 13, 2013, 06:06:20 PM
Hey thanks, very interesting..Still to speculative for me, even after seeing all the SG1 and spinoffs.
BTW, I thinks someone is using your image.
http://enkispeaks.com/2013/01/04/2474/ (http://enkispeaks.com/2013/01/04/2474/)
Andy
oh dear. well at least he shrank it down so people couldn't see how badly painted it was. i rushed it.
the calves feet were like burnished bronze.
sometimes i read those passages and think, wait, no, my theory is wrong. then it'll dawn on me how it fits into the theory and yet another piece will resolve itself. i think the reference to the spirit is electrical energy. whoever is manipulating the gate is manipulating the energy via the dialing mechanism.
this theory wouldn't have been possible if it hadn't been for dr. michael heiser's interpretation that the entire thing was a big metaphor for god being in control of the heavens. and that the living creatures four faces were references to constellations on the ecliptic and chariots etc.
Yes, I can agree that Ezekiel could be describing beings similar to what was seen in the constellations..Leo, Taurus, Scorpio, Pegasus (Aquarius)..and their related Star Systems..He was called the "Astral Prophet', I think. Or they may have been system lords in ceremonial attire..Who the hell knows, ...Heiser's take on Stichin is particularly interesting..Interesting thought about the wheel within the wheel..I always think of Gyroscope...And then I think of the movie "Contact"...Lots to think about...
Quotehttp://thelivingmoon.com/undomiel/frameset2/ezekiel1.jpg
Undo I only post this so you may reference some current light fixture's... But heck that image looks a lot like what people are meddling with now with LED's :O
Quote from: Somamech on May 13, 2013, 07:51:33 PM
Undo I only post this so you may reference some current light fixture's... But heck that image looks a lot like what people are meddling with now with LED's :O
did you mean to post a different link? cause that's my painting of ezekiel 1
Yeah thats the pic I meant to post mate ;) COOL artwork BTW too :)
If you start to check LED tech it sorta makes one go Hmmm :D
I am so numbed by LED"S right now as i have been quite dues to searching them day in day out :(
http://www.ledsupply.com/
One sight thats kinda intersting
Undo, you have really put a lot of effort and time into all of the various elements of this!!!! It is obvious that some here find this truly interesting
Not that it makes any difference, but undo, you well know where I stand relative to most of this! For me Enki is strictly mythological.....................so of course, resurrect the myths again, and "he is back", but still just as unreal as always.
Such is not the case with the one Jesus that you mention. No "myths" in that regard, except for the many erroneous statements of thought and opinion by those who haven't yet accepted by faith what is written in The Bible.
It is interesting that the heart of man desires to know God, while the mind of man strives to put up every road block possible, including putting up the many "false gods", to prevent man from truly understanding God in a way that makes an eternal difference. And that is a dilemma each of man must deal with during his/her lifetime, as the final decision is an individual one.
The faith of my understanding, of course!
so hear we go.another person who believes the bible is the one and only magic book in the world.even though god allowed the vedas of india to stay intact for close to 7000yrs plus.
but put a bunch of arab writings together along with a jewish family tree.have a bunch of catholics manipulate the words in it like a sharp tongue politician.give the popes blessing and now its the word of god.rotflmao.
if the vedas lasted as long as they did without being corrupted by power hungry child molesting hypocritical fags then im more likely to believe in the indian writings.but then maybe the devil made the holy bible .cause it sure is full of holes in its stories.
but this is all a wild guess by a lowlife lazy pothead that loves corrupting poor little christian brains for lulz.
EZEKIEL Gives a description in "
The Book of The Prophet EZEKIEL" Chapters
40 to and
44,
the
measurements and "
Structural Contents" relating to this.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images2/Mother.jpg)
Of which my "
Real Self" (
LIFE) is
from.
So this is why I can explain
ALL in detail regarding this Structure.
NO Guess work involved ! :)
down the road from me is a museum.i cant get the pics to download but just for kicks you may want to google ezekiel flying machine pittsburg.this preacher tried to build one.even got a historical marker.
Hey robo, I was just making a comment on undo's now 4 page thread. She has done a lot of work on this subject, and has mentioned it in numerous pieces in the past. And I could be wrong, but I do believe undo does accept at least some of what the Bible has to say about the history of this Earth.
I don't think i said anything that would surprise her, nor be taken by her as offensive, because she well knows my position in my Christian faith. It is grounded and unshakeable, no matter the subject.
Robo, since you brought "the Catholics" up, are you even aware that the Roman Catholic Church/pope does not dictate anything to the Protestant Churches? Nothing! The Protestant reformation et al even incorporated a Bible that had deemed certain books of the Catholic Bible to be unacceptable (not the Word of God), So, even the Bibles are different. So, Catholics are under the authority of the Catholic Church, but no other Christians are, that I am aware of.
Also robo, don't worry about "corrupting my poor little Christian brain", cuzz that won't happen either!! :))
Hethen's begone!!!!! Thou sinners must repent unto the glory of the lord. Jesus is thine salvation. Cast out your demons, repent and be saved!!!!!!
........................... what were we talking about? :o ;) ;D 8) :P
Edward
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on May 14, 2013, 12:06:51 AM
EZEKIEL Gives a description in "The Book of The Prophet EZEKIEL" Chapters 40 to and 44,
the measurements and "Structural Contents" relating to this.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images2/Mother.jpg)
Of which my "Real Self" (LIFE) is from.
So this is why I can explain ALL in detail regarding this Structure.
NO Guess work involved ! :)
Relative to Ezekiel 40 thru 48, I certainly no scholar of these scriptures, but...........what these scriptures do present, is Ezekiel's vision of what is often referred to as the coming "Third Temple". And that is just what the measurements in these scriptures describe.
I am not sure how these scriptures relate to the diagram which you present. But, as a for instance comparison, someone has built a 1/16th scale model of the "Millennial Temple", according to these measurements, and it is very much a physical "on the ground" object, with buildings and places.
For any interested (and just FYI), here is a link to the "Temple Model" website, which has a very in-depth discussions of this scriptural subject. †
http://sonstoglory.com/ThirdTempleEzekielsMillennialTemple.htm
oh i know.ive got the apocrypha on the bookshelf beside me.ive got alot of religious literature.went to church every sunday.sometimes twice or three times.was maried to an evangelical that burned my koran and a leatherbound antigue masonic book because she thought they were satanic.lol.i used to have the satanic bible but it bored me.i use to be a religious nut.then god came down and changed my mind.now i despise all religions.religion was created to control the masses.straight up fact.i dont have to try and convert you.i am not my brothers keeper unless he ask and i approve.even god didnt answer cain.so he is not omnipotent.fact.by your own bible.but im sure there is a preacher somewhere that can twist scripture to prove im wrong.there always is.the truth is.if you seek out knowledge .then eventually you too will be converted.heck i once convenced an older married couple to go to virginia from texas to a bible college.i seen both sides and im speaking from experience.the bible says test god.have you tested him?have you questioned your religion to see if its true.or are you going on blind faith.like the majority of sheeple.dont get me wrong.i believe there is something going on but it aint jebus.here is how you can prove it.tonight pray for my orange to turn into a red apple.ill even give jesus three days.if my orange turns into an apple i will get on the forum and proclaim it .if not.then ill proclaim that too.DO YOU HAVE THE GUTS?is your faith that strong.
my guess its not.
awaiting your reply eagerly.pic of orange coming.
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t522/robomont/2013-05-13213004_zpse11cabdb.jpg)
rubicon
one of the problems i have with calling other ancient texts, mythology is that that approach to other ancient texts was a result of the enlightenment, and the vatican's "higher critics". higher criticism was created by the vatican in an attempt to prove the papal interpretation of ancient history was the only valid account of ancient history.
to do this, catholic higher critics began the search for discrepancies in other ancient texts. a scholar named frederic wolfe, determined incorrectly, that the ancient greeks couldn't write when their documents were said to be written. this resulted in the vatican having the greek accounts removed from historical consideration. as a result, the ancient texts of surrounding cultures now had gaping holes as well because the greek texts were no longer allowed to offer support. it snowballed. soon all ancient history was ruled unreliable mythology except the papal interpretation of the bible. however, without the support of the rest of the ancient world, it was now consider unreliable as well, and thus the beginning of the enlightenment.
skip forward 40 years. archaeology as a science is created and it is discovered that the ancient greeks could write afterall. when asked if they were going to restore the greek historical accounts at the very least, to legitimacy, the response was, "do you want to go back to believing in fairies?"
and so, 6000+ years of ancient history, got flushed down the mythology toilet.
i don't think it's accurate to say the other ancient texts are mythological.
Quote from: rdunk on May 14, 2013, 03:19:24 AM
Relative to Ezekiel 40 thru 48, I certainly no scholar of these scriptures, but...........what these scriptures do present, is Ezekiel's vision of what is often referred to as the coming "Third Temple". And that is just what the measurements in these scriptures describe.
I am not sure how these scriptures relate to the diagram which you present. But, as a for instance comparison, someone has built a 1/16th scale model of the "Millennial Temple", according to these measurements, and it is very much a physical "on the ground" object, with buildings and places.
For any interested (and just FYI), here is a link to the "Temple Model" website, which has a very in-depth discussions of this scriptural subject. †
http://sonstoglory.com/ThirdTempleEzekielsMillennialTemple.htm
http://sonstoglory.com/ThirdTempleEzekielsMillennialTemple.htm
The Above Link involves
Human Imagination according to the flesh... :)
As I said, I "
The Real me" (A "
Partition" of
LIFE) came from this
StructureEZEKIEL mentioned.
I don't need to
guess. :)
ONE knows their Abode. :) Well I do anyway. :)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/48matrix_traveller/images2/Mother.jpg)
This Structure is displayed in many Ancient buildings including, Palaces, Government buildings,
Public Buildings, Religious buildings, including church buildings Monasteries, and Cathedrals,
in the form of Mosaics and Window displays.
You can even find this on the net in
thousands of different photos involving Décor. :)
rdunk
Quote from: rdunk on May 13, 2013, 09:53:12 PM
Undo, you have really put a lot of effort and time into all of the various elements of this!!!! It is obvious that some here find this truly interesting
Not that it makes any difference, but undo, you well know where I stand relative to most of this! For me Enki is strictly mythological.....................so of course, resurrect the myths again, and "he is back", but still just as unreal as always.
Such is not the case with the one Jesus that you mention. No "myths" in that regard, except for the many erroneous statements of thought and opinion by those who haven't yet accepted by faith what is written in The Bible.
It is interesting that the heart of man desires to know God, while the mind of man strives to put up every road block possible, including putting up the many "false gods", to prevent man from truly understanding God in a way that makes an eternal difference. And that is a dilemma each of man must deal with during his/her lifetime, as the final decision is an individual one.
The faith of my understanding, of course!
well i had the same position on the subject till it started to dawn on me that it actually made a great deal of sense. allow me to explain (read all of this before responding, please):
first was the conundrum of jesus being god and son of god and yet god at the same time. this really bugged me. i knew what the official word was on it, et.al, that jesus was called son because he was born of himself as god in a human body. but there were angels called sons of god and they weren't in human bodies, so that didn't make the grade.
then there was jesus was just an angel, which suggests that sons of god as angels, were not gods as in the sense of junior gods or lesser gods, which contradicts old testament texts.
then there was-- its 3 aspects of the same being, one of them being the son. yet we find the son *jesus* praying to the father in gethsehame, as if he were a separate and unique entity.
i realized that something was wrong. now fast forward to my readings of the sumerian and akkadian texts. i note that there's 3 gods, one who is the father god in heaven, who very rarely interacts with humans. and two sons, one who has ownership of the planet and one who is a geneticist/ life scientist.
the life scientist son creates humans, critters, plants, trees. the owner son of earth, doesn't like the humans. he spends the next 6000? years bumping them off in various ways, sometimes for the strangest reasons, and uses the israelites to do some eyebrow raising things, such as slaughtering whole villages of men, women and children.
i note that other christian women tend to avoid the old testament, primarily because its so entirely different than anything jesus said or did. this completely baffles me. fast forward again.
i read the earth chronicles by sitchin and immediately throw up a barrier, thinking his data to be blasphemous at best. but some points catch my attention during a study of the bottomless pit chapter from revelation 9 (i'm a fan of eschatology). like a sloooooooooow train moving, little by little i realize that he's actually right on more points than i originally thought (i still disagree with him on the nibiru thing). at this juncture, i still hadn't made the connection to jesus.
so as i'm studying abyss/abzu references, i come across a text that describes enki confusing the languages at babel. i had to do a double take. sitchin didnt mention this, or perhaps i had missed it. but what this meant was, that jehovah was not just enlil but also enki. sitchin's contention was that jehovah was enlil and yahweh was enki. but this text suggested otherwise.
considering sitchin was a jew ,i thought perhaps he was just being careful, religiously speaking, a sort of political correctness if you will. in this way, he could attribute all god's bad characteristics to jehovah and all his good characteristics to yahweh. when god was pissed it was enlil. when he was compassionate, he was enki. (don't worry, i know that jehovah is just a variant spelling of yahweh and vice-a-versa)
that's when i realized what it actually was suggesting. hit me like a ton of bricks. jesus could say he was jehovah, if he was enki, because that's the name the jews knew him by in several places in the ancient texts, including the flood story and the tower of babel. he could also say he was the son of god, if the father god was anu.
enlil was the accuser, the prosecuting attorney -- his planet, his rules, period. enki was the defense attorney, for the human race. and anu, the father, was the judge. all three are called jehovah or yahweh, in the old testament. enki was repeatedly having to defend his creation, whereas enlil, who owned the planet (takes jesus up in a high mountain and says, you can have all this if you just worship me (work for me) -- gotta be enlil offering him a deal but jesus knows if he just finishes the plan, the planet will end up being his anyway), was not thrilled with its human occupants and said as much on mannnny occasions.
pretty cool idea.sounds like somebody been takin them smart pills.
Quote from: robomont on May 14, 2013, 06:40:35 AM
pretty cool idea.sounds like somebody been takin them smart pills.
who ya talking to? if me, well i am actually not smart unless i'm talking about ancient texts lol then i'm a bit smarter. rocket scientist, i am not. (yoda speak)
yep you undo.brilliant idea.gave you gold for it.
Quote from: robomont on May 14, 2013, 07:46:20 AM
yep you undo.brilliant idea.gave you gold for it.
aww shucks. :D
golly gee willickers. erm......
eh, listen to the words in this song. carefully.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-NBX-HZE6Q
the city from the sky.
that's from the end of revelation. a mammoth flying city made of transparent crystal comes down to earth.
Seems everyone here is searching for the truth. The truth can be
rather elusive.When we find the 'truth', will we know that it is really
the 'truth ? We must take the truth by faith.When searching for the
truth, we must remember some things ...eph 6:12' for we wrestle not
against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual
wickedness in high places' ..Read also mark 13:21,22..and mat 24:22
The 'fallen angels' have been on this earth for a long time.Enough
time to 'plant' any evidence necessary to convince humanity to
worship satan in place of God. This worship satan craves may be
his only hope of defeating Christ, and keeping control of earth for
ever.
satan should be worshipping me.i am the most high god.after i eat this ham sandwich ,im planning on getting most high again.look up canna.it was part of the holy ointment in the temple.them guys had a constant buzz.
https://www.greenpassion.org/index.php?/topic/16139-holy-annointing-oil-from-the-bible/ (https://www.greenpassion.org/index.php?/topic/16139-holy-annointing-oil-from-the-bible/)for those who are lost or confused.
Welcome Back Enki...
If you have a little spare time... can you stop by here and answer a few questions?
EnLil is already back too.... been trying to get an interview... 8)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/04images/Aliens/EnLil_01a.jpg)
awe dude .no way.thats funny man.tryin to stop laughing.