I just finished watching Star Trek Into Darkness. I will not elaborate on my means of doing so, but I do intend to view it cinematically, if only to satisfy the moral obligation that I feel I have now incurred.
I was wrong about this film, and I am very glad about that. The underlying message is very strongly present; and I think that message is what undo has told me in the past.
That we, and I, cannot give in to rage and a desire for revenge, in response to terrorism or various other things that happen. As many of you here are no doubt aware, Amaterasu and I are of like mind, in believing that a society similar to that depicted by Star Trek is literally possible, and sharing a mutual desire to one day implement it. This film served as a very positive and effective reminder, however, of the truth behind Amaterasu's document, entitled Let Us Forgive (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1387.0).
I've been wrong in my recent denunciation of rdunk, as well. The fundamental point here, is that we sabotage and render worthless, any idea of a better society, if we are in any way exclusionary about it. We need to think of a more positive scenario, being one that exists for everyone; not simply the few people that we arbitrarily decide that we like or consider worthwhile.
If rdunk considers me damned, and I respond to him in the manner that I have done, then all I am really doing is providing him with evidence to support that belief. Irrespective...and indeed, because of...the degree of pain and psychological damage that I have been caused as a result of abuse from numerous Christians, I have a moral responsibility to respond to them in a manner which is fundamentally different to their treatment of me, and one that is more positive. I need to provide a better example.
Another thing I am being reminded of, is the truth that any end result that we end up producing, will only be as good as the intentions we are able to maintain. If we incorporate the idea of exclusion of people we disagree with, or the idea that continual exceptions to the usual processes of justice need to be made, in the case of people who we have arbitrarily decided are monsters, then we will end up with a flawed result, and one in which conflict will continue, as a result of the pain that people naturally experience over being left out.
I have a younger brother, who can be a difficult person to live with at times. He has difficulty practically understanding the concepts of reciprocity, or of moderation and avoiding excess. Yet recently, I have started attempting to embrace the opportunity that he has presented me with.
That opportunity, is to respond in a manner that demonstrates that in my own heart and mind, the Abundance Paradigm already exists, and has been implemented; and that I do not want it only for people who I consider to already be sufficiently mature, or people who are not criminal, or people who are not "terrorists," but that in fact, I realise that people who are motivated by their own pain, misery, wretchedness, and lack, are actually those who need such a society most of all, and who need me to show them, through my own positive actions, what it looks like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfi-SuOj0c0
would you be so kind as to send me a pm about what you thought about the bad guy (well the bad british guy) ?
Brilliantly stated, Petrus. Indeed, ALL Conscious Beings (sentient, sapient) deserve TAP. Regardless of Their personal perspectives.
The "elite" deserve it - They will not lose materially, but only in terms of power over Others. The rest of Us deserve it because Consciousness is noble, irrespective of values and perspectives.
Thank You for this, and I apologize for missing it on the day You posted.
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Petrus said, "I've been wrong in my recent denunciation of rdunk, as well. The fundamental point here, is that we sabotage and render worthless, any idea of a better society, if we are in any way exclusionary about it. We need to think of a more positive scenario, being one that exists for everyone; not simply the few people that we arbitrarily decide that we like or consider worthwhile.
If rdunk considers me damned, and I respond to him in the manner that I have done, then all I am really doing is providing him with evidence to support that belief. Irrespective...and indeed, because of...the degree of pain and psychological damage that I have been caused as a result of abuse from numerous Christians, I have a moral responsibility to respond to them in a manner which is fundamentally different to their treatment of me, and one that is more positive. I need to provide a better example".
Petrus. I DO NOT CONSIDER YOU DAMNED!!! And I am sure I have never said that I did. If I were to say anything of that nature to you directly, it would be "I love you, and God loves both of us. And, I do love you! We don't agree on some things, but most of those things are "temporary". I am a Christian, and you have said you are not, but that should not keep us from being friends.
Petrus, you have some knowledge about Christianity, so you do know at least a little about what I believe too. And one of the big things about being a Christian is...............thank God, I don't get to judge anybody.
One thing I will say to specifics on this OP subject of "The Abundance Paradigm" - in a very real way, I believe that what God has promised to "all that will", will result in a "paradigm of abundance" beyond anything we could possibly think or imagine! But then, that takes an action from each of us.
But, with that said, I personally do not believe that an earthly "Abundance Paradigm" can occur here until the one who is responsible for all that is bad (satan), is shackled/taken care of forever. Another way to say that is, "If a house is stinking, when you remove what is stinking from the house, then the house doesn't stink any more"! But, until that happens, that should not keep us from being the best we can be in every area. And we do each have to work out our own way.
Petrus, I appreciate what you said, and your continuing to diligently work to find what is the best way for you in all of this!! I am always available (PM) for questions, or help of any kind!!
What if the odor is neutralized? In essence that is what adding free energy will do, rdunk. No longer will there be power over Others (easily traceable to money which is accounting for meaningful energy expended in an energy-scarce society). And the love of money, being the root of all evil, cannot grow where there is no soil (money).
Not sure where "God helps Those who help Themselves" came from, but whether true or not, if We help Ourselves - through spreading a solution, through a revolution of ideas, We are far more likely to see results than if We do not.
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 01, 2013, 01:47:03 AM
What if the odor is neutralized? In essence that is what adding free energy will do, rdunk. No longer will there be power over Others (easily traceable to money which is accounting for meaningful energy expended in an energy-scarce society). And the love of money, being the root of all evil, cannot grow where there is no soil (money).
Well A-Mater-(of)-ASU, what you propose would be great but.................I believe that to be an impossibility, as the "evil" of this world is whatever satan makes it to be, as he is the source of it. And that darkness is not going to turn into light, just because, as you say, energy is free, and people don't have to pay their gas and electricity bills anymore.
Was the known world, at any time, really any different, even before ENERGY was found or invented?? Were there not people problems always?? Did not people kill people before having to pay for "energy"??
I won't go any deeper into these thoughts, other than to say, problems do not get fixed, as long as the "blame" is fixated and directed to a wrong place, no matter how valiant the thought! ;) And if man could fix the "problem" (like just making energy free), than God would not have had to do "what he did"................... .
Quote from: rdunk on June 01, 2013, 05:18:22 AM
Well A-Mater-(of)-ASU, what you propose would be great but.................I believe that to be an impossibility, as the "evil" of this world is whatever satan makes it to be, as he is the source of it. And that darkness is not going to turn into light, just because, as you say, energy is free, and people don't have to pay their gas and electricity bills anymore.
Was the known world, at any time, really any different, even before ENERGY was found or invented?? Were there not people problems always?? Did not people kill people before having to pay for "energy"??
I won't go any deeper into these thoughts, other than to say, problems do not get fixed, as long as the "blame" is fixated and directed to a wrong place, no matter how valiant the thought! ;) And if man could fix the "problem" (like just making energy free), than God would not have had to do "what he did"................... .
Yes, there were issues - all stemming from needs not fully met, which led to coveting, stealing, murder and other ills. My question is this: if One may have all One wants in general (and surely all needs to survive) for the asking, where is the motive to covet? To steal? To murder? Sure, there may be a jealous lover here and there, but statistically speaking, ALL crime is motivated by some sort of profit.
And yes, the known world is in a UNIQUE position now - We have not had ABUNDANT free energy available, robots to take up slack in necessary work, nor planetwide communication. These are the three elements which are needed to strip power away from "elite" and create a fully egalitarian society.
As for "satan..." I don't believe in this entity, personally, nor that "God" is an entity in the sense of being some Being outside of Consciousness (all is Consciousness) co-creating the NOW. I AM, therefore, "God," as are You and all the rest.
I have had the experience of being the whole of Consciousness, ineffable to describe it in full, all dimensions and yet dimensionless... We have the power to co-create what We will.
Yes, I knew already how you felt/thought, and much of the problem is in the differences in "how people think about things".
Much of the problems of this world have been precipitated by and involved with "religion, and still are. With probably over 80% of the population of the world believing there is at least some type of God, "free energy" is going to "play hell" (no pun intended) :) in changing just the animosities among some religions, ever! And the less than 20% that believe there is no god at all are always going to be a very difficult odds with much of the religion crowd. Please don't misunderstand, "religion" and false gods is but one of the many many frailties of humanity that can degrade into never ending conflicts.
I am not trying to change the way you think! I am trying to help you see how very very much more broad are the negative circumstance with which you are faced, in your continuing "abundance" pursuits! :)
Quote from: rdunk on June 01, 2013, 07:00:57 AM
Yes, I knew already how you felt/thought, and much of the problem is in the differences in "how people think about things".
Much of the problems of this world have been precipitated by and involved with "religion, and still are. With probably over 80% of the population of the world believing there is at least some type of God, "free energy" is going to "play hell" (no pun intended) :) in changing just the animosities among some religions, ever! And the less than 20% that believe there is no god at all are always going to be a very difficult odds with much of the religion crowd. Please don't misunderstand, "religion" and false gods is but one of the many many frailties of humanity that can degrade into never ending conflicts.
I am not trying to change the way you think! I am trying to help you see how very very much more broad are the negative circumstance with which you are faced, in your continuing "abundance" pursuits! :)
And *I* say to You that the issues between religions have been deliberately fomented by Ones with the profits of war in Their sights. Whether it is building weaponry to supply one or both sides with, whether it's being paid to "reconstruct," whether it's control of resources, whether it's more power over Others (power over Others is one form energy takes - money=power=energy), the religious issues are a construct. Through control of media, control of toadies, infiltration and incitement, wars are created for profit.
In many parts of the world relatively unimportant (no oil or other resources to profit from) many disparate religions have lived peacefully for generations side by side. Without Those who WANT discord adding agents and propaganda to the mix to incite that discord, We Humans tend to get along.
If there is no more profit motive left...why would any of Us incite and propagandize? What purpose would it serve?
Quote from: Amaterasu on June 01, 2013, 02:30:02 PM
And *I* say to You that the issues between religions have been deliberately fomented by Ones with the profits of war in Their sights.
This is true. If you read about Essene Christianity, you find out that it has no fundamental conflict with any other religion on the planet. In particular, it doesn't try and claim that humans are the only form of sentient life in the universe.
I mentioned the religion differences in this world as an example of the many many differences amongst man that will preclude this world from ever becoming a world of peace, harmony, no monetary systems, no slavery, no racists, no I-am-smarter-than-you thinking, no rapes and no abortions (or maybe nobody objecting to abortions), no diseases, no crime, no murders, no casinos, no credit cards, free meals, free sex, free movies, free college, free everything, and everybody works for no pay. And on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on amd on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on ....................................ad-infinitum!!
And I say, without the change I mentioned above, all of this is simply "fairy tale thinking", in this world. Even when there was nothing to life but living life, and eating to stay alive, as was the case for the American Indians, it was still survival of the fittest, so to speak. They fought amongst themselves, and the tribes fought with each other. They stole their women, but they didn't steal their money, because they didn't have any - that is, until they found out after the palefaces came, that they could use their religious beads ("wampum") for money with the palefaces.
All of us (right now) are free to think whatever we wish about such matters. But I personally foresee very little difference in the general life of man, if every form of energy need was all of the sudden made to be free, regardless of how that might be done. The only difference would possibly be, no more fighting over energy, which ebbs and flows anyway.
I feel I have had the opportunity to do this song and dance before, and I do apologize if I have repeated anything. But, as the OP says, this thread is "A re-affirmation"! :))
I do respect your right to desire the abundance/abundant life! Obviously, I do not see that as a reality of this world, with man.
Quote from: rdunk on June 01, 2013, 09:37:58 PM
I mentioned the religion differences in this world as an example of the many many differences amongst man that will preclude this world from ever becoming a world of peace, harmony, no monetary systems, no slavery, no racists, no I-am-smarter-than-you thinking, no rapes and no abortions (or maybe nobody objecting to abortions), no diseases, no crime, no murders, no casinos, no credit cards, free meals, free sex, free movies, free college, free everything, and everybody works for no pay. And on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on amd on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on ....................................ad-infinitum!!
rdunk, where have I ever said that ALL Human interpersonal behavior issues would be solved??? I have said that VIRTUALLY all will be eliminated because STATISTICALLY SPEAKING, all Our issues are tied to money/power/energy.
Even such things as racism are founded in fear that something will be taken away. Rape is a power issue, too. It is a feeling of power that drives rapists, not sexual desire. If One has autonomous power over Self, rape will be rare. Casinos will likely be run for fun and competition by Those who love to organize and host such affairs, with chips given when One enters and the goal to have the most at some point...
What would We war for? Where would the point be?
Nobody will HAVE to work; and in fact, no One will. It is NOT WORK when One is contributing through One's bliss. If One WANTS to do something - say, scrub toilets - robots will move out of the way and the Human who LOVES to scrub toilets can have at it. Same with farming, assembly line work, or whatever. As long as One is not hurting Others, One can go for it.
QuoteAnd I say, without the change I mentioned above, all of this is simply "fairy tale thinking", in this world. Even when there was nothing to life but living life, and eating to stay alive, as was the case for the American Indians, it was still survival of the fittest, so to speak. They fought amongst themselves, and the tribes fought with each other. They stole their women, but they didn't steal their money, because they didn't have any - that is, until they found out after the palefaces came, that they could use their religious beads ("wampum") for money with the palefaces.
And it was still hierarchical, with People required to input Their energy to keep the community surviving. It was still energy-scarce. They fought over RESOURCES (women were degraded to "resources..."). If the resources are flowing freely, WHAT would We fight over? (
QuoteAll of us (right now) are free to think whatever we wish about such matters. But I personally foresee very little difference in the general life of man, if every form of energy need was all of the sudden made to be free, regardless of how that might be done. The only difference would possibly be, no more fighting over energy, which ebbs and flows anyway.
[sigh] It's not the Humans that will change - it's a radical change in MOTIVATION, removing the NEED to add Human energy to survive. Motivation will become from the heart through Our individual gifts rather than finding any way We can to make money so as to survive.
If energy is free and abundant (which it is, though suppressed), no more need account for it via exchange (trade, barter, and the money that represents that). No more fighting over money or resources - this planet has enough resources to support at LEAST 10 times the number We have now. The resources are inhibited from flowing to all of Us now via the system of accounting for meaningful energy expended in an energy-scarce society
QuoteI do respect your right to desire the abundance/abundant life! Obviously, I do not see that as a reality of this world, with man.
Because You presume the propaganda is true - that Humans are "bad" as a rule - I recommend You read Rebecca Solnit's
A Paradise Built in Hell: The Extraordinary Communities That Arise in Disaster to get an idea of what Humanity is REALLY like. Mostly We are very good, but twisted - some more, some less - by this system that requires Us to gain money to survive in exchange for adding Our Human energy to the system that profits largely a mere few.
http://www.amazon.com/Paradise-Built-Hell-Extraordinary-Communities/dp/0143118072
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccReLF6M62Y
This is another reminder, that I must refrain from hypocrisy and arbitrary banishment and exclusion of others, particularly if it is only on the basis of second-hand information.
While looking for the quote of Carl Sagan, which I included in my last post, I also came across this video, from James Randi. Given that Randi was the founder of CSICOP, and he has often been reviled as a malevolent pseudoskeptic by several people who I have encountered on the Internet, I initially refused to listen to what he had to say here, despite the fact that I had never actually heard him speak before.
After reflecting on this response, however, I became ashamed of myself. I realised that even if Randi is enemy of more legitimate rationalism that many have claimed, by refusing to give him literally any hearing, my own behaviour was no better. I once read about Randi's refusal to investigate the claims of Pralad Jani, an Indian man who claimed to have lived for long periods of time without food or water, and felt that such a refusal was the very definition of pseudoskepticism. Given that, my above initial behaviour marked me as a complete and fundamental hypocrite.
More interestingly, on starting to listen to Randi here, I was surprised by the degree to which I agreed with what he was saying. He quotes Carl Sagan as having written that there is a tremendous need for scientific education, and the promotion of intellectualism in Western society; and I could not agree more.
Forgive me, Mr. Randi. Forgive me.
I still don't see what free energy has to do with religion...
We The Peeps should look after our own physical needs, and the Church must look to our spiritual ones ::)
I don't trust Randi, he has a team of lawyers always ready to tackle anyone who makes claims to his million dollar 'reward' for proving free energy or phsychic abilities like telekinesis.
As far as i know, he has never paid out a single cent.
He did agree to enter one of my energy machines for consideration, but if i sent him one that worked, would he pay me anything?
Can i in fact, trust him with such an invention?
We'll keep it under wraps for now, methinks ;)