;D
I never get tired of reading about epic fails like keeping your top secret data unsecured...
Pentagon: The Chinese stole our newest weapons
QuoteThe designs for more than two dozen major weapons systems used by the United States military have fallen into the hands of the Chinese, US Department of Defense officials say.
Blueprints for the Pentagon's most advanced weaponry, including the Black Hawk helicopter and the brand new Littoral Combat Ship used by the Navy, have all been compromised, the Defense Science Board claims in a new confidential report.
The Washington Post acknowledged late Monday that they have seen a copy of the report and confirmed that the Chinese now have the know-how to emulate some of the Pentagon's most sophisticated programs.
"This is billions of dollars of combat advantage for China," a senior military official not authorized to speak on the record told Post reporters. "They've just saved themselves 25 years of research and development."
"It's nuts," the source said of the report.
Quote"If they got into the combat systems, it enables them to understand it to be able to jam it or otherwise disable it," Winslow T. Wheeler, director of the Straus Military Reform Project at the Project on Government Oversight, told the Post. "If they've got into the basic algorithms for the missile and how they behave, somebody better get out a clean piece of paper and start to design all over again."
http://rt.com/usa/us-chinese-report-defense-888/ (http://rt.com/usa/us-chinese-report-defense-888/)
Jam it or disable it?
why? they will likely turn it on ourselves. I bet that any of their "
re-designs" would
STILL include components made in China. I also would put money on the new systems still being put on the same old network for all the hackers to find. It seems common sense may be the most formidable weapon. I guess that being said we lost the battle there. :P
Hahaha
It get's even better Ell :D
Plans stolen from ASIO building in suspected cyber attack
SOURCE:
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2013/s3768621.htm
This was on every new's site regardless of ownership today in Oz LOL
QuoteBeijing, riding a wave of robust economic growth, has been building up its military—and while the report does not accuse China's government of stealing the designs, such intrusions could help the world's most populous country enhance its armed forces.
The Post published the list of compromised systems here. It includes drone video systems, "directed energy" (a category that includes lasers and the like) and advanced Patriot missile systems. Also compromised were designs for the F/A 18 fighter jet, V-22 Osprey, F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters and the Navy's new Littoral Combat Ship meant to prowl the coasts. The list also includes the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) designed to shoot down ballistic missiles.
Well, I suppose that can't blame Wiki Leaks for this one, but none the less, if mil is going too leave these types of top Secr3t information unsecured, or rather easy to hack, then I guess there will always be these issues.
Lets just hope that these types of scenario's don't back fire and catch the US and it's allies put of there Kevlar vests.. ???
The Full Article (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/chinese-hackers-breach-key-u-weapons-designs-133849940.html)
1WW
I really fail to see why a Mil network need's to even touch a public network. But in saying so I knew someone once who worked for a major telco here in Oz who also happened to make a network in a navy base and he said there were 3 switches.
It would be nice to hear the story's of how much the west has hacked other country's dang it so we get a balanced story :D
Actually 1ww i think if anything it make's those that search obscure PUBLIC DOMAIN Mil Doc's more at risk than anyone sadly :(
I never thought twice a few year's ago when posting, now I do think more than thrice :(
Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 28, 2013, 06:36:12 PM
;D
I never get tired of reading about epic fails like keeping your top secret data unsecured...
Pentagon: The Chinese stole our newest weapons
http://rt.com/usa/us-chinese-report-defense-888/ (http://rt.com/usa/us-chinese-report-defense-888/)
Jam it or disable it? why? they will likely turn it on ourselves. I bet that any of their "re-designs" would STILL include components made in China. I also would put money on the new systems still being put on the same old network for all the hackers to find. It seems common sense may be the most formidable weapon. I guess that being said we lost the battle there. :P
Sorry Ellirium, just found your post over this issue, maybe we can have a MOD merge them. Do apologize my friend.. :-[
MY THREAD (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=4471.msg60668;topicseen#new)
With Great Respect,
1Worldwatcher
The line has become blurred between someone who would like to know the truth and someone who would like exploit it.
Thats the end of democracy... It's all over and done with.
Quote from: Somamech on May 28, 2013, 08:05:38 PM
Actually 1ww i think if anything it make's those that search obscure PUBLIC DOMAIN Mil Doc's more at risk than anyone sadly :(
Yes, I was discussing this with 'Z' about some intel on the tether information and how almost every 'USED TOO BE' public domain has now been shut down. Error after error page notifications. really is sad when they can't even admit to the fact of the matters.
QuoteI never thought twice a few year's ago when posting, now I do think more than thrice :(
Yes, but is rather important when one thinks about things like this happening, making the Civvies more aware as it were. But totally agree with you here Soma. ;)
QuoteThe line has become blurred between someone who would like to know the truth and someone who would like exploit it.
Sometimes I think they are going to get more PO-ed when the general Public finds out that they were misappropriating funds throughout these endeavor's. I personally feel both Violated and on edge over the whole debacle of Mil contracts and advanced weapon*y as a whole. Something has got to give somewhere I guess. :(
QuoteThats the end of democracy... It's all over and done with.
You may very well be right Soma. I can't understand why advancements in Wea9onry is more vital than a new cheaper/Free form of energy. Spend trill's on these kind of Mil active endeavor's and then they bitch about not having funds too take care of our infrastructures and tax us more and more. Gigas thread says it all for that topic. Things are going down dark paths, and I for one don't like the climate I am personally feeling, if you know what I mean. ;)
I have seen that Ellirium had placed a thread dealing with subject too, so if there is a MOD available looking at this thread, Can you please merge them for us, they are the same story line after all. Sorry for the double thread posting a head of time guy's & Gal's, was unintended. :-[
1WW
Threads merged.... I kept the new title though because its more on topic and thus easier fro people to find in search..
On the "leak"
If ANYONE thinks that this was 'hacked' by Chinese.... I have a great deal on some property on TITAN for ya 8)
This was a deliberate leak of tech that is getting old and gives them an excuse to
A) spend more money developing new tech and the public will gladly allow it because "...the Chinese stole our stuff"
B) Blame it on hackers, giving them an excuse to tighten up even more what they already released to the public
This leave's the public in a state of cold hard paranoia, blind nationalism or worse still, paranoia.
No stone seem's to be left unturned when it come's to so called leader's ruling the roost.
I like to think they forgot a few stone's though that will bite them in the rear end :D
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on May 28, 2013, 08:02:51 PM
Well, I suppose that can't blame Wiki Leaks for this one, but none the less, if mil is going too leave these types of top Secr3t information unsecured, or rather easy to hack, then I guess there will always be these issues.
The ONLY way that this stuff was not on the Secret and Top Secret networks that CANNOT be accessed from the web is if SOMEONE deliberately posted it on the web. Chinese hackers may be good... but they would need to access a .mil terminal directly.
Wiki leaks had over 250,000 leaked documents but all those were simply inter department embassy chit chat and gossip. Sure it caused some damage in the embassy circle but how many REAL leaks did we get in all that? I have yet to see ONE that is relevant to anything we care about.
There may be one but I never saw it and the ATS crowd went through most of them
You all here believe the government can keep all secrets from leaking about Aliens and UFO's yet at the same time you think that top military secrets are just lying around carelessly
Does that make sense?
The most plausible circumstance is that this was a deliberate leak. Also if China wanted to attack the USA, they had the best opportunity under Mao... when everyone in China was under the gun and they had all those nukes.
Today the new policy in China is Communist Capitalism... in other words people are allowed to make as much money as they want, so long as they keep their nose out of politics. Its working too :P Prices in China are skyrocketing
I just learned from Ebay that the US Post Office has placed an office in China... making China a US postal address and they now ship stuff in a few days
Things are not as they seem.
Don't forget that our oil barons are working with China to run pipelines to Tibet
Don't forget that the US Customs allows Chinese merchandise to flow unchecked. Chinese jewelers have an advantage a .99 cent item on ebay with free shipping can beat all US competition. There is no duty or tarif on those sales. How can they do it? Simple the exchange rate/dollar value. Last I checked the buying power of .99 USD in Chine is equivalent to $30.00 in China based on average wages
Back when I was working conventions one of our clients was a Chinese company. They brought a few workers with them and they were allowed to work under limited conditions (Union rules) They told me that coming to the US shows was a real privilege because they made in a day what they would earn in a week back home
Don't forget that Buzz Aldrin and Dr Baker are working on anti gravity with the Chinese
China is our business Partner... but we cannot just outright give them our military tech without causing a stir (need to keep up appearance like that Russian Cold War :P)
But a leak that blames anonymous hackers.... well THAT works out for everyone :D
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on May 28, 2013, 08:19:33 PM
Yes, I was discussing this with 'Z' about some intel on the tether information and how almost every 'USED TOO BE' public domain has now been shut down. Error after error page notifications. really is sad when they can't even admit to the fact of the matters.
Yes, but is rather important when one thinks about things like this happening, making the Civvies more aware as it were. But totally agree with you here Soma. ;)
Sometimes I think they are going to get more PO-ed when the general Public finds out that they were misappropriating funds throughout these endeavor's. I personally feel both Violated and on edge over the whole debacle of Mil contracts and advanced weapon*y as a whole. Something has got to give somewhere I guess. :(
You may very well be right Soma. I can't understand why advancements in Wea9onry is more vital than a new cheaper/Free form of energy. Spend trill's on these kind of Mil active endeavor's and then they bitch about not having funds too take care of our infrastructures and tax us more and more. Gigas thread says it all for that topic. Things are going down dark paths, and I for one don't like the climate I am personally feeling, if you know what I mean. ;)
I have seen that Ellirium had placed a thread dealing with subject too, so if there is a MOD available looking at this thread, Can you please merge them for us, they are the same story line after all. Sorry for the double thread posting a head of time guy's & Gal's, was unintended. :-[
1WW
Well thanks to Zorgonite he fixed my Tard :D
But yeah getting back to basic's of us Pegonuaght's getting all happy about posting some obscure public domain doc to back up our first hand "heard it in the ear" from a gen mil sort person is becoming quite tricky sadly!
And I am not too sure why people worry about China, they have their own demons to worry about, which are huge as in HUGE :D
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on May 28, 2013, 08:19:33 PM
Yes, I was discussing this with 'Z' about some intel on the tether information and how almost every 'USED TOO BE' public domain has now been shut down. Error after error page notifications. really is sad when they can't even admit to the fact of the matters.
Okay let's clarify that....
A) It still IS in public domain... yes they shut down that first website "hyperspace.nrl.navy.mil" That was moved to "http ://projects.nrl.navy.mil" and then to a secured site with https
B) They gave me permission to copy ALL the pages and files so while the links back to the original page no longer work, my pages contain all the data and the PDF's are in storage waiting for me to fix the database
Most .mil sites these days that have public info are of two types
1) The public showcase. Which is usually promo stuff and basic whats happening stuff and an interface for the public example... the NAVY SPAWAR site...
A while back I posted a direct link to some space related pages. A week later they were gone. I have since found them again but I will no longer post direct links to stuff because they always move it. Why? Because a page that maybe got 1 or 2 hits a month suddenly gets a 1000 a day when posted on ATS or other site and that sends up red flags.
SPAWAR now has a PUBLIC portal
http://www.public.navy.mil/spawar/Pages/default.aspx
The original Spawar address is now under https
2) Most .mil sites when you access them the first time will require you to accept a certificate sometimes 2 or 3 and then warning will pop up :D This usually scares off most looky loos :D
I once posted a link on ATS and everyone that just landed on that thread page got a certificate pop up LOL I had to stop that
The public info is still public... but intended for access to US citizens not just anyone in the world. So you have to dig for it and save a copy. Even NASA moves stuff around and more than that they have thousands of url's for specific topics so you really have to know WHAT to ask for
The TiPS tether info was an old experiment in 1996... the military tends to move on and just drop old stuff. Same as main stream news sites After a few years the articles are removed. BBC archives ALL their stories but not most sites
And finally don't forget to search the internet archives. They have 313 pages archived for projects.nrl.navy.mil
i agree with zorgon.clamp down on internet and the american tech is junk.the real stuff is in file cabinets.
let them invade.kill off large portions of the east and west coast.then pull out the big stick.squish the enemy and owne the world.
Quote from: Somamech on May 28, 2013, 09:34:08 PM
And I am not too sure why people worry about China, they have their own demons to worry about, which are huge as in HUGE :D
Back in WWII The Japanese did not treat China well...
When the tides turned against Japan... China could have wiped them out and we would have supported them :P
I don't think China has any interest in world domination :D
Off Topic for a second to make a point...Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on May 28, 2013, 08:19:33 PMError after error page notifications. really is sad when they can't even admit to the fact of the matters.
What is REALLY SAD is supposed researchers that are TOO LAZY to use google search to seek updates
For instance... in THIS case
Simply put this in google search "NAVY electrodynamic tether"
And you will find that they launched one recently
QuoteThe Naval Research Laboratory's Tether Electrodynamics Propulsion CubeSat Experiment (TEPCE) underwent successful deployment tests on March 19 and March 23, 2010.
Figure 1: TEPCE integrated prior to deployment test.
TEPCE is a tethered spacecraft being built by NRL to demonstrate electrodynamic propulsion in space. Electrodynamic propulsion holds the promise of limitless propulsion for maneuvering spacecraft without using expendable fuel. The spacecraft, in its orbital configuration, will consist of two CubeSat end masses attached to the end of 1 kilometer of electrically conducting tether
http://www.nrl.navy.mil/media/news-releases/2010/nrls-tepce-spacecraft-undergoes-successful-deployment-test
See? Still public domain... you just need to know WHAT to ask and WHERE to look
::)
America is currently in the process of committing national suicide. Where that is relevant to this article, is in the fact that China's ascendancy at this point is inevitable, at least as far as America is concerned; which renders the Chinese stealing American weapon designs, essentially moot.
Americans should be a lot more concerned about their own country's problems. A very good place to start, would be for the public to demand the military to take action against the current government, rather than continuing to show blind gratitude towards said military for invading other countries, and killing people who have nothing whatsoever to do with the country's current internal crisis, which in fact only serves to make said crisis worse.
If you want a truly legitimate reason to celebrate Memorial Day and show gratitude to the troops, then let them assault Washington, rather than Kabul or Baghdad. I have said it before, and I will say it over, and over, and over again, as many times as it needs to be said.
The threat is not now, and has never been foreign. It is, and always has been, entirely domestic.
Z could be very right about how this info got into the hands of China! But, IMO, everything related to major design secret/BLACK stuff has no business being wired to any type of connection that goes outside brick and mortar. Nor should it be wired to anything inside that goes outside brick and mortar.
Just dealing with human hands, eyes, and ears to maintain high level security requirements is difficult enough in the world of Black. But, when connections to it in some way are made to the outside, even with encryption, nothing is safe to the absolute. There is no access available to "outside hackers", when there is no electronic way into the data.
Nothing wrong with designing and maintaining designs with huge high performance computer data and manufacturing systems, but these just should not be accessible from the outside.
No connection, no hacking!!
P.S. - - Why is it that the National Security systems and operations of this country seems to be just as "dumbed down", as so much of the many other primary responsibilities taken on and assumed by the Federal Government. There are a lot of hands involved in the workings of National Security, but in the end, it is the responsibility of the Federal Government through procedures/regulations/continual security checks, etc, etc, that ensures the "lock-down" of every piece of classified data, to every level required.
Now to say we are losing complete systems designs of major weapons systems..................if they are going to release such loses, then "major heads should roll" (so to speak), for all of those responsible. That is where the example should be made!!
Of course, we should have a way to follow and find the lost data, and either electronically destroy it, or "however", to ensure it can never be used against this nation. This is not petty theft, and it should be dealt with as a major direct offense as is necessary!!!
Quote from: zorgon on May 28, 2013, 09:23:26 PM
You all here believe the government can keep all secrets from leaking about Aliens and UFO's yet at the same time you think that top military secrets are just lying around carelessly
Does that make sense?
The most plausible circumstance is that this was a deliberate leak. Also if China wanted to attack the USA, they had the best opportunity under Mao... when everyone in China was under the gun and they had all those nukes.
There you go making sense again...Zorgon, you ought to be a superhero. ;)
(http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/common-sense-superpower.jpg)
So if this tech was deliberately leaked then I am thinking there is already a suitable advanced replacement. This also would give them more cause for their internet control bills in the form of a false flag.
@rdunk.
you dont see the sport model plans or the tr3b designs in chinas hands.
the new fighter f22 f35 planes are junk.anybody who thinks those planes will secure the us skies is lieing to theirselves.
this is done to drain chinese resources.we have a whole fleet of ufos.they are on standby.the company that manufactured them has since dispersed the guts of the manufactering and closed up shop on them.there is now no proof they even exist.
this is all being staged to look like we are weak.to draw our enemies in.we have moved all our defenses to the center of the country.with drone bases stationed around the border of the country.this is all prep for the big one.all under the view of being weak and incompetant.
notice the military isnt restocking our tanks and heavy gear.our national guard has almost no equipment in their yards.
its all smoke and mirrors.
Quote from: Ellirium113 on May 28, 2013, 11:12:50 PM
There you go making sense again...Zorgon, you ought to be a superhero. ;)
Hehe well thing is even if the stuff wasn't on electronic media there are always the old school spies that copy papers :P Afterall wasn't that the main stay of MI-5, KGB and CIA? spooks out spooking each other to steal anything and everything...
And yet even those old fashioned spies never got us any UFO/Alien secrets :D
Hey someone just sent me this!!! Too bad it didn't come with free Coke :P
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/559465_195888620547344_882127411_n.jpg)
Chinese Cyber Squad
(http://breakingdefense.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2013/02/chinesecyberguys.jpg)
is that you deum.arent you near china?
then of course zorgon is russian blood.
so is this a commie site?
big red flag with zorgon on it.
its all coming together now.
im so a conspiracy theorist.
Quote from: zorgon on May 29, 2013, 10:23:55 AM
Chinese Cyber Squad
(http://breakingdefense.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2013/02/chinesecyberguys.jpg)
LOL!
I think my kids play that same game! I knew a few guys that would dress up to play PC games. This totally reminds me of that.
As to the topic, I think it is highly unlikely anything good is kept on any TCs on the floor and a section of the LAN reachable to outside.
Quote from: zorgon on May 28, 2013, 10:05:08 PM
Back in WWII The Japanese did not treat China well...
When the tides turned against Japan... China could have wiped them out and we would have supported them :P
I don't think China has any interest in world domination :D
True that, and why I get so sick of hearing Jewish story's as the only point of suffering in WW2. The Chinese have a story which is just as good :(
No I wouldn't think at all that China have a Big Map in Mission Control that includes territory's not in their control whatsoever ;)
I also listened to a very good interview on ABC last night with an author who has just released a book about Russia and the lack of faith in Putin these day's. The Author made a very good point in that Russia had the best 19th century economy in a 20th century world. China is no different in those regard's, and what their manufacturing hub is now producing, may not be so in another ten year's, and could you imagine having over a Billion folke's pissed at you as a leader in that country ? :D
If for example the west collape's further than it already has, it still has Mil, and people still have a desire in an environment that most of the world envy's. I think the West is becoming a little more Enterprising when it comes to the individual and how to act, and one example would be how I can see I could undercut in price but not quality on some item's I have in mind. The Caveat is that I don't have world domination in mind. Having worked in the proto industry for many a year that is usually every company's downfall... They all want to be BAAL :D
LS you have 7 gold now
Good Grief man I feel like I am mining the stuff for you alone at some times :D
Quote from: Somamech on May 29, 2013, 07:48:43 PM
LS you have 7 gold now
Good Grief man I feel like I am mining the stuff for you alone at some times :D
Can I trade those in for Zorgon plush dolls, Sommamech Trading cards? ;)
So how do you get gold?
Thanks,
LS.
Quote from: LSWONE on May 29, 2013, 08:11:25 PM
Can I trade those in for Zorgon plush dolls, Sommamech Trading cards? ;)
So how do you get gold?
Thanks,
LS.
Through gut's and determination soldier ;) LOL
Kidding mate :D
It would be cool though if we could make enough cash to hook people up with the SG Serie's or something like that for fun!
For what it's worth web based gold seem's worth more than a Flag :D
Quote from: zorgon on May 28, 2013, 10:05:08 PM
I don't think China has any interest in world domination :D
Really? ???
Then you don't know anything about the Commies ::)
Actually Sarge I would say you don't know much about the Cappy's ;)
"Cappy's" and "Commie's" are pretty interchangeable as far as terms go for the Minions :D
I still think this is the best video on the planet explaining the above :D
Unfortunately America doe's not have a THRID party. That is where change may happen if it existed :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3wHx4NLHzE
I could say the same about you ;)
Quote from: Somamech on May 29, 2013, 09:57:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3wHx4NLHzE
One very astute observation which the Dalai Lama makes here, is that inequality is not only morally wrong, but is also a source of practical problems. This is a key point which Capitalist advocates either do not understand, or do not want to. They think that as long as they as individuals are fine, then they can preserve themselves from the sort of violence and turmoil that comes from logistical/economic exclusion, by building themselves walls and gated communities.
What they do not understand, however, is that their wealth itself ultimately comes from what they would refer to as the raw material, present within the natural world. So if they continue to destroy the rest of the world around them, eventually it is going to have the result of destroying their own wealth as well. Gated communities might protect them from the people who are starving now, but it will not protect them from their own starvation later.
One of the things I experienced very strongly while walking through some trees and other vegetation during my first LSD experience, was the sense that the only reason why I was alive at all, was due to an in fact very large and complex set of agreements between myself and all of the other surrounding lifeforms. Most of the time, these agreements are unconscious for most of us; but a big part of the purpose of psychedelics, is to make knowledge and awareness of them conscious.
We need to begin to recognise that viewing ourselves as existing in a vacuum from everyone else, is going to kill us. Community is vital for long term survival; and that is not merely some Leftist platitude, but is demonstrable reality.
IMHO , poppycock! ;D
"Poppycock", is that Dutch for "thinking in a different (and possibly equally valid) way"?
Fruitbat.
Lol : ;) ;D
insults? really?
i dont know about yall but true scientist dont bother with such childish things.
even me and armap dont go that low and we are at each others throat all the time.
i tend to agree about rich republicans in general.
i just had one buldoze five feet by three hundred feet of my property.he was looking fo the property line and had no curtisy to ask me first.he also bulldozed half my pig pen that was surrounded by brush .the brush was for shade and shelter but he thought it was just brush.its been two weeks and he still hasntt repaired it.and he is a millionaire.
Quote from: robomont on May 30, 2013, 01:28:43 AM
insults? really?
i dont know about yall but true scientist dont bother with such childish things.
even me and armap dont go that low and we are at each others throat all the time.
i tend to agree about rich republicans in general.
i just had one buldoze five feet by three hundred feet of my property.he was looking fo the property line and had no curtisy to ask me first.he also bulldozed half my pig pen that was surrounded by brush .the brush was for shade and shelter but he thought it was just brush.its been two weeks and he still hasntt repaired it.and he is a millionaire.
Insults? What insults?
Well Zorg...your super powers are working just fine...
Chinese Theft of U.S. Weapon Systems Used to Push CISPA?
QuotePrison Planet.com
May 30, 2013
Why the embarassing admission from the Pentagon that more than 2 dozen major weapons systems have been stolen by the Chinese? The Washington Post broke the story and the focus was on the manner of the theft — cyber spying. Is this yet another attempt by the US government to create a narrative that pushes control of the internet in the name of cyber security?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVfi6qASGB8
http://www.prisonplanet.com/chinese-theft-of-u-s-weapon-systems-used-to-push-cispa.html (http://www.prisonplanet.com/chinese-theft-of-u-s-weapon-systems-used-to-push-cispa.html)
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on May 29, 2013, 08:31:18 PM
Really? ???
Then you don't know anything about the Commies ::)
:D
Between the pair of you I don't which wave of sarcasm to roll on :D
Sarcasm is a fine art. Some get it, some don't! I come from a long line of smartasses! ;D