Martian Weather Discussion Thread
from here : The Serpent Dust Devil of Mars - Martian Weather (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2308.msg32072#msg32072)
(I did first search for this here at PRC, and didn't find anything on it)
I don't know whether "anomaly" is the right term for this post, but, in all of the photos I have looked at, these are the first Mars clouds I have seen. To me, it is rather interesting to see real clouds on Mars! But, I suppose these clouds are not a big deal for NASA.The pic is noted as PIA11184, and is taken in the "northern region" of Mars.
(http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/browse/PIA11184.gif)
I will post a link to the photo - actually a combination series of photos taken over an elapsed time of about 30 minutes, resulting in a movie-photo display of moving clouds. When viewing the "photo-movie" the clouds can be seen seen with both regular and negative screen. In my opinion, the clouds seem to show up a little better in negative screen/black.
And here are the words found in the jpl/NASA link:
Original Caption Released with Image:
This sequence combines 32 images of clouds moving eastward across a Martian horizon. The Surface Stereo Imager on NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander took this set of images on Sept. 18, 2008, during early afternoon hours of the 113th Martian day of the mission.
The view is toward the north. The actual elapsed time between the first image and the last image is nearly half an hour. The numbers inset at lower left are the elapsed time, in seconds, after the first image of the sequence. The particles in the clouds are water-ice, as in cirrus clouds on Earth.
Phoenix landed in the northern region of Mars on May 25, 2008. The mission is led by the University of Arizona, Tucson, on behalf of NASA. Project management of the mission is led by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Spacecraft development was by Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver.
Photojournal Note: As planned, the Phoenix lander, which landed May 25, 2008 23:53 UTC, ended communications in November 2008, about six months after landing, when its solar panels ceased operating in the dark Martian winter.
Image Credit:
NASA/JPL-Caltech/University of Arizona/ Texas A&M University
Image Addition Date:
2008-09-20
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA11184
wtf.i thought there was no atmosphere on mars?
shouldnt this news be all over the msm?lol.
man i dont know what to believe anymore regarding rovers.i lean towards there not being a rover on mars.
Quote from: robomont on June 11, 2013, 09:32:10 AM
wtf.i thought there was no atmosphere on mars?
Who told you that? ::) Doesn't anyone read The Livingmoon Website? >:( Even ArMap will tell you the skies on Mars are blue :D
Martian Clouds Above Phoenix (https://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/Phoenix/Clouds_Phoenix_vid_03.gif)
September 29, 2008
The Surface Stereo Imager onboard NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander observed clouds drifting across the horizon in the early morning on the 119th sol, or Martian day, since landing (September 25, 2008). Clouds were observed each night after Sol 80 (August 15, 2008) as the atmospheric temperature decreased.
Clouds Move Across Mars Horizon Phoenix Lander (https://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/Phoenix/Clouds_Phoenix_vid_02.gif)
September 19, 2008
This sequence combines 32 images of clouds moving eastward across a Martian horizon. The Surface Stereo Imager on NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander took this set of images on Sept. 18, 2008, during early afternoon hours of the 113th Martian day of the mission.
The view is toward the north. The actual elapsed time between the first image and the last image is nearly half an hour. The numbers inset at lower left are the elapsed time, in seconds, after the first image of the sequence. The particles in the clouds are water-ice, as in cirrus clouds on Earth.
Phoenix landed in the northern region of Mars on May 25, 2008. The mission is led by the University of Arizona, Tucson, on behalf of NASA. Project management of the mission is led by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Spacecraft development is by Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver.
Nighttime Clouds in Martian Arctic
(Accelerated Movie) (https://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/Phoenix/Clouds_Phoenix_vid_04.gif)
September 11, 2008
An angry looking sky is captured in a movie clip consisting of 10 frames taken by the Surface Stereo Imager on NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander.
The clip accelerates the motion. The images were take around 3 a.m. local solar time at the Phoenix site during Sol 95 (Aug. 30), the 95th Martian day since landing.
The swirling clouds may be moving generally in a westward direction over the lander.
The Phoenix Mission is led by the University of Arizona, Tucson, on behalf of NASA. Project management of the mission is by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Spacecraft development is by Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver.
Ice Clouds in Martian Arctic
(Accelerated Movie) (https://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/Phoenix/Clouds_Phoenix_vid_01.gif)
September 01, 2008
Clouds scoot across the Martian sky in a movie clip consisting of 10 frames taken by the Surface Stereo Imager on NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander.
This clip accelerates the motion. The camera took these 10 frames over a 10-minute period from 2:52 p.m. to 3:02 p.m. local solar time at the Phoenix site during Sol 94 (Aug. 29), the 94th Martian day since landing.
Particles of water-ice make up these clouds, like ice-crystal cirrus clouds on Earth. Ice hazes have been common at the Phoenix site in recent days.
The camera took these images as part of a campaign by the Phoenix team to see clouds and track winds. The view is toward slightly west of due south, so the clouds are moving westward or west-northwestward.
The clouds are a dramatic visualization of the Martian water cycle. The water vapor comes off the north pole during the peak of summer. The northern-Mars summer has just passed its peak water-vapor abundance at the Phoenix site. The atmospheric water is available to form into clouds, fog and frost, such as the lander has been observing recently.
The Phoenix Mission is led by the University of Arizona, Tucson, on behalf of NASA. Project management of the mission is by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Spacecraft development is by Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver.
Martian Sunrise at Phoenix Landing Site
Sol 101 (https://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/Phoenix/Sunrise_Sol_101.gif)
September 29, 2008
This sequence of nine images taken by the Surface Stereo Imager on NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander shows the sun rising on the morning of the lander's 101st Martian day after landing.
The images were taken on Sept. 5, 2008. The local solar times at the landing site for the nine images were between 1:23 a.m. and 1:41 a.m.
The landing site is on far-northern Mars, and the mission started in late northern spring. For nearly the entire first 90 Martian days of the mission, the sun never set below the horizon. As the amount of sunshine each day declined steadily after that, so has the amount of electricity available for the solar-powered spacecraft.
The Phoenix Mission is led by the University of Arizona, Tucson, on behalf of NASA. Project management of the mission is by JPL, Pasadena, Calif. Spacecraft development was by Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver.
COSMIC SECRETS
The Enigmas on Mars Page 46
https://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Mars_Images_46.html#Clouds
Quote from: rdunk on June 11, 2013, 07:04:05 AM
(I did first search for this here at PRC, and didn't find anything on it)
Yeah my bad... it was still in the workshop but the pages have been on the website a long time. :D o worries got me working :D
last i heard on msm they found maybe frost.i did not know there was that much water.
a two month dust storm? i dont think the mars voluteers realize what they are getting into.
the part mentioning condensation of water in a tornado releasing heat.im an a/c tech and it never crossed my mind.thats what fuels tornadoes.thats alot of heat when the moisture is pulled out.brilliant.
how does zorgons head hold all that info?
Thanks Z, that is a lot of good stuff for this thread subject. Clouds! Clouds! Clouds! Mars is certainly not just a "blank sky"! It is going to be interesting when we learn what is the reality of the make-up of the atmosphere on Mars. I would say it is breathable, if not by us, for sure by "others" there!
Some ESA scientists think that the south pole water ice, when evaporates, is transported to the north hemisphere as ice clouds, and when near the north pole, they fall back to the surface.
Quote from: ArMaP on June 11, 2013, 08:37:21 PM
Some ESA scientists think that the south pole water ice, when evaporates, is transported to the north hemisphere as ice clouds, and when near the north pole, they fall back to the surface.
Wouldn't this contradict the current understanding of Jet Stream meteorological sciences ArMap? Jet Streams are usually acclimated as a force between but away from two hemispherical atmospheric interactions from one another.
Granted, we here on Earth use the northern Jet stream information for the Northern Hemisphere, as is the Southern Hemisphere use's the southern Jet stream, they are the effects of the planets rotational interaction and solar winds being applied for these changes with in wind shift, but never getting intermingled with one another creating a singular jet stream.
For the Mars atmosphere to create such an effect, it would not have a Equatorial rotation, it would have to have a Pole rotational direction? Whatever the ESA is basing this on is news too me, because it makes no scientific sense for these events to even be postulated on as truly being acquirable with in current understanding of rotational/Gravitational cause and effects.
Unless the Mars location in our Solar system has something to do with this being possible, mars pretty much rotates just as any other planet we know of with in our solar system, this being a "Polar Axis" for such thing as a Jet Stream to be acquirable .
If this is wrong in my assumption, would really like to hear how these events of the South Pole actually influencing the North Pole too be able to transfer such clouds or how it is possible for the jet stream too influence these types of Meteorological abnormalities?
1WW
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on June 11, 2013, 09:05:52 PM
Wouldn't this contradict the current understanding of Jet Stream meteorological sciences ArMap? Jet Streams are usually acclimated as a force between but away from two hemispherical atmospheric interactions from one another.
I think two things may affect the functioning of the Martian atmosphere when compared with Earth's atmosphere:
1 - less denser atmosphere on Mars
2 - Mars' slower rotation speed
But I don't really know if that's true or not, I just thought about it after reading your post. :)
PS: I'm still looking for that ESA article.
This is all great stuff, regardless of what it is. It's all been adding up to that we are not in Kansas(Mars) anymore in regards to what has supposed to be a dead planet with little to no atmosphere and a total red sky and surface. Lots of very interesting stuff that has been adding up to there is more to the picture and more to be discovered.
Edward
Edward, I am of the opinion that "much has been discovered" on Mars. But little to nothing made by those "discoveries", by NASA, has been made public. Pretty much the only discoveries in the public realm are those not caught and hidden by NASA, but have been found and presented by anomaly hunters.
We have heard talk about water on Mars. I suppose the photo proof of clouds in the Martian atmosphere have been around for a while. And there are all sorts of anomalies on Mars that are indicative of intelligent design. Plus, for instance, the reptilian in the NASA pic for my avatar is one proof of alien life-form on Mars. And, there is other proof of alien life there, and/or having been there.
I believe the truth of Mars will be astounding, if we can just ever get to that truth, either from NASA, or from "boots on the ground" there.
Quote from: rdunk on June 12, 2013, 02:09:36 AM
Edward, I am of the opinion that "much has been discovered" on Mars. But little to nothing made by those "discoveries", by NASA, has been made public. Pretty much the only discoveries in the public realm are those not caught and hidden by NASA, but have been found and presented by anomaly hunters.
We have heard talk about water on Mars. I suppose the photo proof of clouds in the Martian atmosphere have been around for a while. And there are all sorts of anomalies on Mars that are indicative of intelligent design. Plus, for instance, the reptilian in the NASA pic for my avatar is one proof of alien life-form on Mars. And, there is other proof of alien life there, and/or having been there.
I believe the truth of Mars will be astounding, if we can just ever get to that truth, either from NASA, or from "boots on the ground" there.
Oh I agree and on that note. The truth of our very own planet is much to be desired as well. ;)
Edward
The truth of our very own planet is much to be desired as well.
Yes Edward, if we could just get that, most likely it would open the doors to all truth relative to the Mars subject for sure!!