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Apollo Reality

When I was a kid... (a long time ago... in a galaxy far far away...) I was an Apollo groupie...

Then over the years in research from various angles I started seeing flaws and holes in the story...

Then I met John  ;D

So just to set the records straight..

At this point in time... (subject to possible revision :D )

I believe we had an active small base on the farside of the Moon as early as 1962. I believe we were mining it shortly after.

Of this I have gathered a lot of evidence that satisfies me and I will present it soon. We also went so far as to have NASA get us some pics of Tsiolkowsky region from LRO. They offered a chance to take pics of any area 'for scientific' purposes... So Jack applied for geological reasons, we wanted to see if any rocks had been disturbed...  they did... there were... and even uber skeptic ArMaP at ATS did the work highlighting the movement

As to Apollo series, especially 11...

I have so much documentation that shows monkey business, yet there are obvious problems like the laser reflectors left behind...

Point is IF they did indeed go... why did they leave such a trail of fakery, of loosing all the video tapes and other things that don't add up.

Though this is an old and touchy subject... I would like to use this thread to reexamine all the available data, both pro and con, and see which crater we land in.

Now one of my biggest issues in all the photos is this....

In the lunar orbiter photos we see sharp jagged peaks, rough rocks and debris scattered everywhere...

In the Apollo photos ALL the hills in the background are smooth and rounded... no crags, no sharp spires... just smoothe rounded dust covered hills that are generally blurry compared to the rest of the image.

Now amazingly and to his credit, ArMaP also was bothered by this and we planned to do a joint thread on ATS

IF there is no atmosphere on the moon, how do we account for these smooth eroded hills? Why were we shown jagged rocks in LO images and smooth hills in Apollo?

Even here on Earth where we know we have erosion, we still have jagged rock peaks

What I need is to match locations between Apollo images and LO images...

But to my eye, the hills seem added into the pictures. And why are they blurry? If there is no atmosphere they should be sharp and clear, no matter the distance.

Laser targets? well if there is a base up there, doesn't seem hard to drive over and plop down a few artifacts ( and leave some tracks  ;D

So to begin let me post John's favorite video clip...

John's Favorite Moon Landing Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mouUUWpEec0

Apollo Reality

The following article is reprinted by permission. The photos are from a book about the history of Langley, so as such are authentic photos.

By Sam Colby
nasascam@yahoo.com (http://mailto:nasascam@yahoo.com)

How, and where NASA faked the lunar orbit, landing and lift off.

This web page will show how, and where NASA faked the lunar approach, lunar orbit, lunar landing, and lunar take off, for all the Apollo Moon landing video's. Contrary to what many believe, the sequences were not shot in a desert, Hollywood studio, or Area 51. There may have been the odd picture taken at Area 51, and a few Apollo pictures that were taken in some remote desert, but the majority of stills and video were performed at Langley Research Center, Hampton, Virginia. Scientist's at NASA knew in the early 60's that a manned mission to the Moon was impossible within 8 years, and a plan to fake the Moon landings was put into operation.

  NASA's fake Moon pictures were taken at various locations such as KSC, JSC, LRC, and of course the odd one or two desert locations. I would also like to point out to that the art of faking both still photographs, and movie film is as old as photography and film itself. The 1930's film "King Kong" showed a huge gorilla scaling up the Empire State building. If it's on film are we led to believe it's real? No of course not, but that is exactly what PAN's, (Pro Apollo Nutters) are claiming. Their ridiculous debunking claim is that digital manipulation of photographs and film was not available back in the 1960's, but they did not have digital artifacts back in 1930 when the film "King Kong" was made.  Langley is NASA's space research facility, and staff are sworn to secrecy. All files pertaining to the Apollo (fake Moon missions) are stored there and not due for declassification until 2026. Other artifacts including the burnt out Apollo 7 capsule which killed Grissom, Chaffe and White. They have the facilities to perform anything, fake backgrounds, simulated orbiters etc. First piece of evidence is the large 250 foot traverse crane shown below. Notice fake Moon crater surface created beneath the crane.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/04df68c0.jpe)

  This crane was PURPOSELY built in 63/64 to perfect the lunar landing as close as possible to the real thing, and used to suspend both astronauts, and the LM itself. It enabled movement of the astronauts and LM in all directions, i.e., up down, left right, forward and reverse. The trial runs were so good, and with NASA, fully aware that a Moon landing was impossible, opted to use the setup for faking the alleged   film of lunar landing, and take off, whereby the flag is blown over.

  According to Bobby Braun and other NASA officials the idea was to teach the astronauts how to land a rocket propelled LM. However NO ROCKET POWERED LM WAS EVER SUSPENDED FROM THIS CRANE. In any case anyone with the slightest gumption knows that it is IMPOSSIBLE to control a rocket engine. If the PAN's disagree, then perhaps they could direct me to a video or film showing how the feat was, or could be accomplished. The landings were controlled purely by traverse and lowering of the LM in the same way as a conventional crane.

  Below are more pictures showing mock LM suspended from this crane. In the center (left) picture note the circular objects on the ground floor. The vast expanse of ground area beneath this crane was ideal for creating mock lunar landscapes. In reality the area was covered with gray ash, (possibly from some coal fired power station or boiler house), or plain cement. The circular objects were then raised by crane to create authentic looking Moon craters, as shown later.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/04ef58b0.jpe)

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  The far right picture above is a time lapse sequence taken at night. Notice spotlights on crane gantry, and how it illuminates the ground surface. The mock LM was traversed full length of crane, and simultaneously lowered at the same time in order to create an authentic looking lunar landing, when viewed from within the mock LM itself. Power supply to the mock LM was by cable from crane tower. This enabled a large fan, (fitted beneath the mock LM), to create the dust scatter effect of a rocket engine as it descended to the fake Moon surface. The film shown to public of the LM supposedly blasting off from the Moon's surface was also created beneath this crane at LRC. The mock LM was simply attached to the crane, and hoisted very rapidly at the same time a pathetic looking blast off sparks was enacted beneath it. The film was then speeded up for showing to the public, and it is interesting to note that the camera filming this sequence cut short once the LM had reached the crane maximum height. In other words WHY didn't the camera continue to film the LM until it was out of view? Quite simply because it was not possible to do under the circumstances in which the "lift off" was faked.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/057c8440.jpe)

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The above pictures were taken by Bob Nye on June 20 1969, one month before Armstrong, err, supposedly stepped on the Moon. Picture on right shows the lander hovering above fake Moon crater surface beneath the crane. Believe me folks this is how it was done, even if Pro Apollo Nutters say no way. Picture on left, taken at night, looks like a realistic Moon setting, although I am in no doubt that some out there will actually say this photo is the Moon. I have heard so much BS from the Pro Apollo Nutters nothing would surprise me. The light source seen in left picture is the same light source that highlights Buzz Aldrin in the controversial picture of him allegedly on the Moon. Those lights are fixed at top of crane gantry, as shown in earlier picture.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/05908870.jpe)

The picture shown above shows Armstrong at the site in January 1970. This is 6 months after he supposedly landed on the Moon, and likewise Apollo 12 had done the same. Evidently he returned to the simulation site 6 months later to figure out how he could do it, having conned the world into believing he actually did land on the Moon 6 months before this picture was taken.

  Pictures below show how astronauts were suspended from the crane in order to simulate low gravity. They eventually settled for an upright position with the astronaut suspended by strong elastic bungee cord, so that his feet were only just touching the ground, the same way as a baby bouncer. You can try it yourself by placing a given weight at the end of an elastic band. As the astronauts walked in a given direction, the overhead crane moved in the same direction. This enabled the astronauts to literally float along in a crude "Moon walk" fashion.

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There is a classic piece of film, and I have only ever seen it once. It shows two astronauts supposedly on the Moon, but one astronaut is following behind the other in a dead straight line, and at a fixed distance. Two partners in a strange desolate place would not walk in such a stupid fashion, and so far apart. It's obvious both are following a given line/route, i.e., the line or route in which the two overhead cranes are forcing them to follow. In the pictures below, it can be seen how astronauts were suspended from this crane. It is interesting to note that high backward leg swing in far left picture. That high backward leg swing is identical to the back leg swing in the Apollo 17 photo of Harrison Schmitt supposedly tripping up on the Moon (shown right). In another video sequence of Apollo 17 astronauts supposedly cavorting on the Moon, one of them is actually suspended 2 feet horizontally off the ground. This sequence lasts for a couple of seconds, so how do NASA officials explain that, and why is it that no one else has passed comment on this totally absurd picture shot? It's clear evidence that person in space suit is suspended from wires, or some other line. The picture below shows astronaut suspended via a tubular spring to create the "bounce effect" as though they were walking in reduced gravity on the Moon.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/0951fb00.jpe)

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Picture on left is a view taken from top of the Langley crane, looking down onto fake lunar surface created beneath. Picture right shows Donald Hewes beneath the Langley crane. Hewes created the fake lunar surface, and was heavily involved in the fake lunar landing and lift off video's.

CONTINUED...

Astronauts on wires?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz9Bzi_GyD0

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PART TWO
The Studio Moon Set

By Sam Colby
nasascam@yahoo.com (http://mailto:nasascam@yahoo.com)

  Still not convinced? Then maybe this NASA archive, dated 26 August 1969, and copied word for word, will change your mind. It relates to Donald Hewes, who oversaw operations/filming with the fake landing and take off. Read it, then think hard about it. Why were NASA phaffing around with fake lunar landscapes, one month AFTER Armstrong supposedly pulled it off for real? Answer, to make the fake film look ever more realistic, when future, higher quality images were broadcast to an already gullible audience.

Quote  Looking down from the top of the gantry on to the simulated Lunar Surface. James Hansen writes: "To make the simulated landings more authentic, [Donald] Hewes and his men filled the base of the huge eight legged, red and white structure with dirt and modeled it to resemble the moon's surface. They erected floodlights at the proper angles to simulate lunar light and installed a black screen at the far end of the gantry to mimic the airless lunar "sky." Hewes personally climbed into the fake craters with cans of everyday black enamel to spray them so that the astronauts could experience the shadows that they would see during the actual moon landing." (p. 375) From A.W. Vigil, "Piloted Space Flight Simulation at Langley Research Center," Paper presented at the American Society of Mechanical Engineers, 1966 Winter Meeting, New York, NY, November 27 - December 1, 1966. "Ground based simulators are not very satisfactory for studying the problems associated with the final phases of landing. This is due primarily to the fact that the visual scene cannot be simulated with sufficient realism. For this reason it is preferable to go to some sort of flight test simulator which can provide real life visual cues. One research facility designed to study the final phases of lunar landing is in operation at Langley. ... The facility is an overhead crane structure about 250 feet tall and 400 feet long. The crane system supports five sixths of the vehicle's weight through servo driven vertical cables. The remaining one sixth of the vehicle weight pulls the vehicle downward simulating the lunar gravitational force. During actual flights the overhead crane system is slaved to keep the cable near vertical at all times. A gimbal system on the vehicle permits angular freedom for pitch, roll, and yaw. The facility is capable of testing vehicles up to 20,000 pounds. A research vehicle, weighing 10,500 pounds fully loaded, is being used and is shown [in this picture]. This vehicle is provided with a large degree of flexibility in cockpit positions, instrumentation, and control parameters. It has main engines of 6,000 pounds thrust, throttle able down to 600 pounds, and attitude jets. This facility is studying the problems of the final 200 feet of lunar landing and the problems of maneuvering about in close proximity to the lunar surface."

Published in James R. Hansen, Space flight Revolution: NASA Langley Research Center From Sputnik to Apollo (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1177005905/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=pegasreseacon-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=1177005905), (Washington: NASA, 1995), pp. 373-378.

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Spaceflight revolution: NASA Langley Research Center from Sputnik to Apollo
James R. Hansen (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1177005905/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=pegasreseacon-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=1177005905)

  We now go inside the Langley Research Center complex itself to see how they faked the lunar approach and close orbit of the Moon's surface. We've all seen the film supposedly taken from the LM as it approached the Moon, and then begin to orbit. The speed at which it changes from approach to lunar orbit is utterly ridiculous, as any craft traveling at that speed would crash straight into the Moon. No one could control a craft in such as way as shown in the film, and in reality no one did. The following pictures show exactly how it was done.

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  Size does matter believe me, especially when NASA want to create a fake lunar surface as shown in the above picture on left. It literally dwarfs the two men stood in front of it. It's unbelievable the time, trouble and expense that NASA incurred purely to fake the lunar missions. It was of course done purely to convince the world they were the leaders in space. This very large picture, and others were used in conjunction with a rail mounted camera, which also focused on a large rotating PLASTER PARIS model of the Moon, ) shown on the right).   NASA knew, (after Kennedy's speech in 61), that a lunar landing before 1970 was impossible. Realizing this they had no option but to fake the missions. A program was launched at LRC to design props/backgrounds etc. to convince the media they had achieved the goal set by Kennedy. The pictures above were scanned from a book, hence the poor quality, however the following pictures are from NASA.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/08a9f120.jpe)

  The high resolution picture above left shows a 20' diameter sphere which can be rotated from below. In the left of that picture can be seen a huge blank placard. This is the scene before LRC staff began work on converting the sphere to an authentic looking Moon complete with craters, ( for lunar approach), and the placards were to be lunar orbit. Notice also the rail track around placards, (there were 3 placards in all). Note moving trolley on that track. The camera was mounted on that trolley. It first began to film the rotating sphere, (lunar approach), it then swung around and began scanning the fake lunar surface on placard, (lunar orbit).

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/08ba0120.jpe)

  The picture above shows the sphere after modeling work. Pretty impressive eh? Notice how background is in the dark. Remove that bloke from the picture and you could EASILY pass this photo as being taken by the Apollo command module circling the Moon. It is evident that there were many people involved in the faking of Apollo, and NASA claim that if it were faked someone would have spoken out by now. Well LRC staff are sworn to secrecy, and they must have been 100% in favor of the fakery, otherwise they would not have participated in the first place.

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The two pictures above show how LRC made "plaster paris" copies of the Moon craters on the placards. They are checking that the craters are exactly to scale and layout, as craters shown on the lunar photographs previously taken by high magnification telescope. (Editors Note: Lunar Orbiter Photos 1965-1967) Notice the sphere in left hand picture after modeling work. This sphere had a light inside it which was translucent on the outside, hence the appearance. The large placards with Moon craters was also backlit. Turn off all your lighting, and you end up with the picture shown below left. This is how the Moon would look in the void of space if you could get close enough to it, however no one, not even Armstrong could get anywhere near to the real thing.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/091f48e0.jpe)

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  NASA claim that picture below is far side of Moon, taken by Apollo 8. Compare this sphere with one shown above in left hand pic. It speaks for itself does it not? In all of these pictures notice the black background. This of course made it easier for touching  up photo's to ensure that background space was indeed black.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/098027c0.jpe)

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  These two pictures prove that you do not need pressurized suits to create an authentic Moon approach or orbit. Take a film whilst approaching the plaster paris model, and it would be enough to convince a gullible audience that film was taken whilst approaching the Moon.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/02archives/Apollo_Reality_files/09a1bae0.jpe)

  This final picture shows Charlie Duke (pointing), and John Young, at the simulator controls for lunar approach/orbit. The picture on TV screen is reminiscent of the pictures we saw on our TV screens. We were told it was the Moon, but the picture showing on TV screen in photograph is not the Moon. It is a camera filming the plaster paris model of Moon.
Both John Young and Charlie Duke were heavily involved in faking of the Apollo Moon missions.

  So there you have it. I have shown how NASA faked lunar approach/orbit, and lunar landing/take, so next time you see a film on TV of any Apollo craft supposedly approaching, orbiting, landing on, or taking off from the Moon, you will know exactly how it was done.

This work was created by Sam Colby and does not necessarily reflect the opinions of Pegasus R.C or its members. However the presentation is well done and contains much historical data and photographs not easily found, and as it touches on the subject of NASA coverup, we felt it a valuable addition. The reader is left to form their own conclusions. The original and other pages concerning this issue can be found at...


By Sam Colby
nasascam@yahoo.com (http://mailto:nasascam@yahoo.com)
APOLLO REALITY  (http://apolloreality.atspace.co.uk)

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Apollo Zero

A new look at an old conspiracy...

Very well done and some new info as well

This one is for John  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P47fB1joHSA

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(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/banners/john_lear_med.jpg)  John Lear

QuoteOriginally posted by majicbar

There is absolutely no doubt that we went to the Moon.

There is not the slightest possibility that any Apollo Mission went to or orbited the moon simply because the moon's gravity is 70% that of earth and there was not enough fuel (22,000 lbs.) in the lander to deorbit, land, take-off, rendezvous and dock with the command module.

That the moon has 70% of the earth's gravity has been worked out and proven mathematically using the Bullialdus//Newton Law of Inverse Square in a 3 body equation for Apollo 11. (Earth, Moon, Sun.)

There is breathable air and the daytime sky is saffron yellow (Menger).

For all you Apollo Huggers you are not using all the facts available to you in your misguided beliefs.

There is no basis for Newton's assumption that gravitational force is due to and proportional to the quantity and or density of matter. Keplers Third Law trumps Newtons second law and those are the facts.

If you don't have a background in College Math and read Pari Spolters "Gravitational force of the Sun" then there is no use debating this issue because you are uninformed.

John Lear

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Originally posted by Gigas

I found the video panning of the landers escape module a rather questionable impossibility unless a guy was left behind on the moon to pan the cam so flawlessly. And it was in color too.

But, ya know, the one thing most telling is this, beside who videoed the first step on the moon, why is there no landing propellant blast indications. After all, we see plenty of soft moon dust laying there as if undisturbed by anything but moon boots.

There is so much phony stuff with the landings that it should be obvious to anyone with a functional mind.

(http://history.nasa.gov/ap11ann/kippsphotos/5920.jpg)

OK, tell us why no landing blast from that engine nozzle just a foot above the surface. Shouldn't there be a hole with a blow off perimeter where the moon dust is blown out.

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(http://avatarmaker.eu/free-avatars/avatars/abstract_231/abstract_18_a/space_fly_avatar_51116.jpg) Originally posted by spacemaverick58

Zorgon,  a question if I may.

In the first youtube presentation (Apollo Zero 1 of 7) it is said that there are two Van Allen belts.  I heard recently that a 3rd had been discovered.  Problem is, I can't find the article.  Do you have any insight or knowledge of a 3rd belt?

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Never mind, I found it.

An orbital nuclear detonation in 1962 code-named Starfish Prime created a third Van Allen belt composed of high-energy electrons. This belt was a hundred times more intense than the existing Van Allen belts and was computed to have a half-life of 20 years. [Bennett and Percy, Dark Moon, p. 309]

An answer to my question:

The authors give no reference for the claim that this artificial radiation belt was "a hundred times" more "intense" than the naturally-occurring belts. Nor do they define what is meant by "intense". The Starfish Prime test did in fact produce a temporary artificial radiation belt, and it's true that this belt persisted longer than anticipated. But it was not an impediment to the Apollo missions because it had dissipated to a safe level by then, and was very small (and easily avoided) to start with.

Radioactive half-life applies to radioisotopes only. It does not apply to clouds of magnetically-retained charged particles. The authors imply that their theory is confirmed by expert authors, but in fact the author they cite discusses only the general concept of radioactive half-life. Bennett and Percy are responsible for having misapplied it to this problem. Radioactive half-life and particle belts have nothing at all to do with each other. The dispersal of this belt doesn't have anything to do with radioactive decay, and a great deal to do with solar weather and shifting magnetic fields.

The authors argue that such a radiation belt would still be highly intense to this day. However they have shown no evidence that any of the radiation from Starfish Prime is still there. Instead they refer to irrelevant scientific principles and claim it "must" still be there.

A possible answer to radiation shielding on the Apollo series.  I had wondered about the Van Allen belts myself and the affect on astronauts going through the belts to the moon (if they indeed did go). 

The jury is still out for me on that one as I do more of my own research!

Information obtained from the following link:

http://www.clavius.org/envrad.html

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(http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/1808/8963920e8b40215l.jpg) ellirium113

That 1st picture says a lot. Look in the landing gear foot pad dishes...NO DUST...no skid marks...did they float down gently like a feather? Considering they used rockets to help their descent you should see dust all over nooks and crannies on this thing in a real world scenario. Lowering it there with a crane though would not cause this. If they did land on the moon that picture would not convince me it happened IMO.

(http://avatarmaker.eu/free-avatars/avatars/abstract_231/abstract_18_a/space_fly_avatar_51116.jpg) Originally posted by spacemaverick58

Just for the sake of argument regarding the dust I looked at this site regarding the dust. I am by no means and expert but look for those things that give me evidence. If the evidence can be proved above being circumstantial then I stand with that evidence. However, I maintain an open mind to alternatives. I found this on a website regarding the lunar regolith or dust.

http://www.clavius.org/gravdust.html

I found the site to be interesting.

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(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/banners/john_lear_med.jpg)  John Lear

QuoteOriginally posted by majicbar
The nozzle of the Decent Propulsion System rocket was never closer than 6 feet from the surface. Sensor legs were attached to the landing pads so that he engine could be cut off before landing to prevent a blowout by the nozzle contacting the surface. The exhaust pressure created an even flow outward from the nozzle and the pressure was never so great to cause a hole to develop. Note how the ground under the lander is blown evenly smooth and not rough as it is in other shots away form the lander.

That would be a nice excuse but the audio tapes say 'touchdown' before they say "engine off" in all 6 landings.

And I can guarantee you that piece of junk isn't going to glide 50 feet. Its not even going to glide 1 foot in 70% gravity.

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More soon....

The Gravity is all Wrong

Back in the day I recall seeing NASA training scenes showing how high the astronauts would be able to jump in 1/6th G, but when I watch the footage on the Moon, they seem to be struggling more than they should.  A 120 pound rock would only weigh 20 pounds on the Moon under 1/6th G... but if you watch the videos they cannot move rocks of that size... and even comment on it in one video that I will have to relocate...

Well I found an original NASA video of the jump and walk training film from Langley, added to Apollo Reality's update and put on youtube. Watch this video at the 4 minute mark and notice how high he jumps when its set to 1/6th G

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alXPrrEUcEY

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Now for comparison lets look at this

Apollo 16 crew salutes the flag (Moon Jump)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icayHrkoBvc

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"Houston.... we have a problem....!"   ;D

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FAKE APOLLO 8 ORBIT

Another one from Apollo Reality... this one is a composite of real footage and footage simulated using the equipment shown early at Langley.  Watch the beginning sequences...

QuoteThe video on the left below, was shown to the media as being the Apollo 8 orbit of the Moon and Earth, (I would like to point out that the views of Earth in this video are genuine, whilst those of the Moon are not). It encapsulates all sequences at the Langley fake Moon studio. The film shows high definition craters, which is the fake Moon surface beneath the Langley crane. This is followed by filming of the placards whereby at the end of plaster paris placards, the camera can be seen to rotate through 180 degrees, move up, and return scan of the placards. The camera is then filming the 20' sphere, and pans up to show the curvature of the sphere. This video is just so ridiculous. Notice at the end how the Command Module can be seen falling away and reflected in astroNOTS visor. How did they get to the Moon with no Command Module, as there was no separation of modules on the Apollo 8 mission.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnBtYpMgFZI

QuoteUploaded by APOLLOREALITY on Jan 19, 2010

This video proves once and for all the fakery of Apollo. It is claimed as being shot from Apollo 8 as it orbited the Moon. Notice at 0:29 how the camera filming slows to almost a halt then rotates through a full 180 degrees before going back on itself at 0:34. If this were being filmed from a module orbiting the Moon IT WOULD BE TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR SUCH A MANOUVER, LEAST OF ALL IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. Maybe some of you Pro Apollo Nutters out there can explain the feasibility of this, (you may need to increase your anti delusion medication before contemplating how such a scenario could have happened). If you still can't figure it out look at the movie camera and fake Moon placards at the APOLLOREALITY webpage. The film sequence from 0:15 to 0:23 is the fake lunar surface beneath the Langley crane, and 0:48 to 0:54 is the filming of the 20' diameter sphere at Langley. Considering there were no separation of modules at the Moon why is the Command Service Module shown being reflected in astroNOTS visor between 0:57 and 1:03? Meanwhile 0:36 to 0:47 is just to laugable for words. LOL

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QuoteThere was no need for NASA to land a man on the Moon before 1970, as the photograph above left shows. Project Apollo staff at Langley had a firm grip on it as early as 1964. Move out the way fella's, this is meant to be a picture taken by astroNOTS approaching the Moon.

APOLLO REALITY  (http://www.apolloreality.bravehost.com/)

"The Moon is essentially  gray, no color, looks like plaster of Paris...!" - James Lovell

AUDIO (http://www.apolloreality.bravehost.com/LOVELLGRAY.wav)

And ever since then NASA has been showing us the Moon in gray scale.  Below the small image of Earth was taken in TRUE COLOR on the way to the moon from the Clementine satellite...

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NASA took that image and enhanced it and saturated it, then pasted it into an image with the moon in obvious gray scale...  :o  Well there you have absolute proof of 'image manipulation' by NASA to send a message...

The Moon is GRAY....

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The Tin Can that went to the Moon?

So I have some questions... This Lunar Lander looks like a tin can. Now I have heard John talk about this thing and why it couldn't have possibly made the trip... and we will look at John's stuff in the thread... but Sam Colby has found some interesting pictures direct from NASA that I have never seen before and quite frankly look to me like there is NO WAY that thing had people in it in space.   :o

By Sam Colby
nasascam@yahoo.com (http://mailto:nasascam@yahoo.com)

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QuoteThis photograph was taken inside building No 5 at Johnson Space Center.

It shows astroNOTS sorting over disused metal cabinets, and other junk paraphernalia from which to build a LM for fake photographs. Note the octagonal shaped box left of center, which was used to build the model LM.

Now I want you all to look VERY CLOSELY at the metal work on this contraption and explain to me HOW this thing is space worthy?  :o

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QuoteThe front end of this LM appears to have undergone some sort of bashing with a sledgehammer or other, well it's only a cardboard model innit, set against a fake backdrop of the Moon surface.

I only hope the astroNOTS were wearing their hard hats when the battering took place.

Okay so WTF? And before you say "Its a FAKE" here is the original in high resolution from NASA

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NASA AS16-122-19533 Full Size (http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo16/hires/as16-122-19533.jpg)

QuoteAS16-122-19533 (23 April 1972) --- The ascent stage of the Apollo 16 Lunar Module (LM) approaches the Command and Service Modules (CSM) during rendezvous, with a contrasting background of darkness and the moon's Sea of Fertility (Mare Fecundatatis). Taken from the CSM, the photo shows the aft side of the LM during a yaw maneuver. Note the buckled thermal panels. Messier and Messier A (right center) are among the most readily identifiable features on the surface below. While astronauts John W. Young, commander; and Charles M. Duke Jr., lunar module pilot; descended in the Apollo 16 LM "Orion" to explore the Descartes highlands landing site on the moon, astronaut Thomas K. Mattingly II, command module pilot, remained with the CSM "Casper" in lunar orbit.

NASA AS16-122-19533 (23 April 1972) (http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo16/html/as16-122-19533.html)

NASA acknowledges the buckled panels... with a brief note. Below is a close up of the twisted and buckled plates.

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And then there is THIS.... from Lunar and Planetary Institute they show AS16-122-19533 to look like this before NASA 'color didling to make the moon GRAY again

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QuoteThe photo below is to ridiculous for words. NASA claim this is the actual Apollo 16 Lunar Module on the Moon. Look at all that gold foil around the base, and why is that gold foil not seen in the photo of Apollo 11 LM, after all they were of the same design. I would like to know how they got the Rover out without tearing this gold foil. In addition to the gold foil there is also some sought of black fabric draped just anywhere. What a mess, moreover what a joke. Look at side of LM. It's made up of sheets of thin metal pop riveted together, or maybe cardboard held together with double sided tape. Even the joints are not seated flat, but buckle out in all directions. The under side looks like corrugated sheet, and even that does not mate correctly with the vertical panels. If this is top quality engineering for such an important mission, then I'm a banana. Can't you PAN's see that this is a quick knock-up job, taken in a studio here on Earth, to satisfy gullible people like yourselves, it could not have landed on Moon. Incidentally Grumman built a life size LM in cardboard, I think this is it.

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QuoteIn the final picture shown below we take a closer look at this supposedly high quality work from Grumman Engineering, and can see just what a botch job that made of it. NASA inform us that this piece of junk cost $350,000,000, (over $25 billion at todays prices). Look at the angle strip on corner edges, they cannot even get the beading strip angle correct, and have left it jutting out.  I don't think NASA is taking the p**s, I know they are. It's a joke, because I have seen better quality work from kindergarten kids building a stage prop for pantomime. Lets face it the whole Apollo project was a pantomime and the Apollo astronauts were nothing more than clowns, but it beggars belief that there are still millions of people around the globe who actually believe the garbage put out by NASA. I find it somewhat scary to think that there are so many people in the world who are completely out of touch with reality. Blame the CIA, after all they saw that TV could be used to brainwash the media, and boy did they take full advantage of it.

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By Sam Colby
nasascam@yahoo.com (http://mailto:nasascam@yahoo.com)
APOLLO REALITY (http://apolloreality.bravehost.com/)

Wow... even the thruster housing is all buckled... How can this be?

This sound file is labeled Duke.. has anyone heard it before and who is 'Duke'?  You have anything John?

WAV AUDIO FILE (http://apolloreality2.bravehost.com/index_files/DUKE%20CRAZY.wav)

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Okay I had to check about that ripped gold material... :D In the following image you can see that they ripped open the foil to get the rover out...  But the buckled plates are clearly visible literally popping at the seams.  How did that thing hold any cabin pressure?   :o

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NASA AS16-107-17435 Full Size Image (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a16/AS16-107-17435HR.jpg)

Here are the closeups of the buckled plates and you can see insulation coming out  :o

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Need some help verifying this one... 
When was this image taken?

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According to Sam Colby...

QuoteThis picture shows Buzz Aldrin in his Apollo 11 capsule, returning from, ermm, the Moon, AND of course in the blackness of space. But wait what do we see through the capsule window? Why it's the light blue haze of Earth's atmosphere, living proof that capsule was only in Earth orbit. In fact that light blue haze streaming through capsule window can be seen in video coverage from EVERY Apollo mission, Apollo 8 through to Apollo 17, as all were simply EARTH ORBITING.

I will return to this one when I get more data and input...

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Missing Apollo 11 Moon Tapes

Now this one is an interesting story... Missing tape...  :o  Well John told me years ago that the Apollo signals did not go directly to the US, that they went to Australia first...

Well I was able to track that down and found that was indeed the case. The were sent to Honeysuckle Creek, Australia then were downgraded and sent to Goldstone in the Mojave Desert... then resent to Houston where NASA displayed them on their big screen at Mission Control... where the news media was then allowed to FILM them from the big screen. No original data reached our TV sets...  and you wondered why the looked so crappy?

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Well since then Honeysuckle Creek made a website telling the entire sordid story... and here we have one case where John's stories are now verifiable with fact. :D  I will cover that later... first lets look at the 'Missing Tapes'

How do you lose something as important as Man's First Landing on the Moon? Well it is worse than that, because at the time data was stored on very LARGE video recorder reels... how large?  Like this...

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And it wasn't just one tape.... it was 700 BOXES of tapes and other material...  :o And this was reported on CNN, Washington Post and the likes, not some fringe website....

'One small step for man,' 700-box tape loss for NASA

Original recordings of Apollo moon missions are missing
Tuesday, August 15, 2006
Posted: 12:38 p.m.

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QuoteNeil Armstrong left his footprints on the moon and his speech was among the 20th century's defining moments.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- The U.S. government has misplaced the original recording of the first moon landing, including astronaut Neil Armstrong's famous "one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind," a NASA spokesman said on Monday.

Armstrong's famous space walk, seen by millions of viewers on July 20, 1969, is among transmissions that NASA has failed to turn up in a year of searching, spokesman Grey Hautaloma said.

"We haven't seen them for quite a while. We've been looking for over a year and they haven't turned up," Hautaloma said.

The tapes also contain data about the health of the astronauts and the condition of the spacecraft. In all, some 700 boxes of transmissions from the Apollo lunar missions are missing, he said.

"I wouldn't say we're worried -- we've got all the data. Everything on the tapes we have in one form or another," Hautaloma said.

NASA has retained copies of the television broadcasts and offers several clips on its Web site.

But those images are of lower quality than the originals stored on the missing magnetic tapes.

Because NASA's equipment was not compatible with TV technology of the day, the original transmissions had to be displayed on a monitor and re-shot by a TV camera for broadcast.

Hautaloma said it is possible the tapes will be unplayable even if they are found, because they have degraded significantly over the years -- a problem common to magnetic tape and other types of recordable media.

The material was held by the National Archives but returned to NASA sometime in the late 1970s, he said.

"We're looking for paperwork to see where they last were," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/space/0...eut/index.html

Note: As happens with news items, that link is now dead as well

The Saga Of the Lost Space Tapes
NASA Is Stumped in Search For Videos of 1969 Moonwalk

By Marc Kaufman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, January 31, 2007; Page C01

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Determined sleuths Richard Nafzger and Stanley Lebar once thought they were close to finding the lost Apollo tapes.
Photo Credit: By Melina Mara -- The Washington Post
Related Article: The Saga Of the Lost Space Tapes, page C01

QuoteAs Neil Armstrong prepared to take his "one small step" onto the moon in July 1969, a specially hardened video camera tucked into the lander's door clicked on to capture that first human contact with the lunar surface. The ghostly images of the astronaut's boot touching the soil record what may be the most iconic moment in NASA history, and a major milestone for mankind.

Millions of television viewers around the world saw those fuzzy, moving images and were amazed, even mesmerized. What they didn't know was that the Apollo 11 camera had actually sent back video far crisper and more dramatic -- spectacular images that, remarkably, only a handful of people have ever seen.

NASA engineers who did view them knew what the public was missing, but the relatively poor picture quality of the broadcast images never became an issue because the landing was such a triumph. The original, high-quality lunar tapes were soon stored and forgotten.

Only in recent years was the agency reminded of what it once had -- clean and crisp first-man-on-the-moon video images that could be especially valuable now that NASA is planning a return trip.

About 36 years after the tapes went into storage, NASA was suddenly eager to have them. There was just one problem: The tapes were nowhere to be found.

What started as an informal search became an official hunt through archives, record centers and storage rooms throughout NASA facilities. Many months later, disappointed officials now report that the trail they followed has gone cold. Although the search continues, they acknowledge that the videos may be lost forever.

The Saga Of the Lost Space Tapes - Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/30/AR2007013002065.html)

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This is what we saw on live TV

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This is what they saw at Honeysuckle Creek

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Ed von Renouard working at Honeysuckle Creek Tracking Station in Australia was the first person to see images from the Apollo 11 moonwalk. Image courtesty of Bruce Ekert.

Quote"When we sent our camera up on the mission, everything about it was a first and a big unknown," said Richard Nafzger, an engineer with NASA who was involved in the original transmission of the Apollo 11 images to Earth and is now part of the search to find them. "Would the camera work? Would we get TV of that first step? We just didn't know what to expect.

"In the same way, we're doing a kind of massive tape and document search that's never been done before," Nafzger said in a recent interview. "We might discover the tapes tomorrow, or we might reach a point where we have to say we can't go any further. Right now, I would have to tell you their fate is pretty much a mystery."

Stanley Lebar, who had been in charge of developing the lunar camera, is also involved in the search. He can recite all the understandable reasons why he and his colleagues did not give the tapes the attention they deserved back in 1969 -- they were cumbersome, a highly specialized format that appeared to have limited value in the pre-digital age -- but he nonetheless is kicking himself now for not getting a copy for safekeeping.

"We all understood the importance of this event to history, to posterity, and so we all should have made sure those tapes were safe and secure," said Lebar, 81. "I ask myself today, 'Why the heck didn't you think that way back then?' The answer is that I just assumed that NASA was going to do it. But, unfortunately, that was a bad assumption."

The tale of the missing Apollo 11 tapes is made all the more awkward because televised images of subsequent Apollo missions were greatly improved. It was only for Apollo 11 that an unusually configured video feed was used. It was transmitted from the moon to ground sites in Australia and the Mojave Desert in California, where technicians reformatted the video for broadcast and transmitted long-distance over analog lines to Houston. A lot of video quality was lost during that process, turning clear, bright images into gray blobs and oddly moving shapes -- what Lebar now calls a "bastardized" version of the actual footage.

The original video from the moon was in an unconventional "slow-scan" format, made necessary because almost all of the broadcast spectrum was needed to send flight data to Earth. The format scanned only 30 percent of the normal frames per second, and it was done at a much lower than normal radio frequency.

The images would probably have remained forgotten and of little consequence to Lebar, Nafzger and NASA but for the initiative of a retired California ground station engineer and several Australian technicians who meet regularly for reunions.

In 2002, one of the men who had worked at Australia's Honeysuckle Creek ground station in 1969 -- and who had seen the high-quality Apollo 11 video originals back then -- found a 14-inch reel of tape in his garage that seemed to be from that period. He brought it to a Honeysuckle Creek reunion and passed it around.

At the next year's reunion, several more Honeysuckle veterans brought in mementos from the Apollo era, and this time they included actual moonwalk photos they had taken as the video played on their special monitors. The photos were of the original images -- not the ones reformatted for television -- and they were clearly much better than what everyone else had seen. An American engineer had similar pictures taken at the Mojave site.

The Australians were eager to learn whether the tape was of the actual Apollo 11 moonwalk, but they had no way to play the ungainly reels. Convinced that the tapes could have historical and educational value, they tracked down Nafzger, 66 -- one of the few Apollo 11-era people still working at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, where most Apollo data had been processed.

The good luck continued when Nafzger found that the soon-to-be-mothballed Data Evaluation Lab at Goddard still had one of the few seven-foot-tall analog machines that could play the Apollo video. The Australians sent him the tapes and he put them into the recorder with great anticipation. But what came out was just chatter and computer data from an earlier Apollo mission.

The Saga Of the Lost Space Tapes - Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/30/AR2007013002065.html)

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Honeysuckle Creek Antenna, Australia

Honeysuckle Creek, Australia - Official Website
The Apollo 11 Television Broadcast (http://www.honeysucklecreek.net/Apollo_11/index.html)

Below is an image of John Lear with Bob Lazar at the Goldstone Tracking Station when they went looking for answers  1988-9.  The missing tape saga and the Honeysuckle Creek involvement story broke January 31, 2007. Had to throw that in for those who would say "Well yeah but everyone knew that...!"

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"All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Second it is violently opposed. Third it is accepted as being self-evident". - Arthur Schopenhauer

QuoteIt was disappointing, but the seed had been planted: Not only was NASA reminded of the original moonwalk tapes, but the agency had a machine that could play them. It also had two men -- Nafzger and Lebar -- who still lived relatively close to Goddard and were willing to spend hours of their own time looking for the three hours of video.

They spent weeks searching in the vast National Records Center in Suitland, where the tapes once were housed. They came up empty until finding documentation that some 26,000 boxes of Apollo tapes were requested by Goddard officials between the early 1970s and the early 1980s. Considering that the 45 videotapes from Apollo 11 would have been stored in just nine of those boxes, the odds against finding them were clearly daunting. Nonetheless, Nafzger and Lebar were optimistic.

Back at Goddard, however, they found no trace of the missing tapes, nor of anyone who knew much about them. Clearly someone at Goddard had forwarded the Apollo tapes to other storage, dispersed them to other NASA centers or had them destroyed, but Nafzger and Lebar have had little luck identifying who that might be. The fact that all this happened about 30 years ago made the task more difficult, since some of the most likely decision makers are deceased.

The missing tapes are now something of an embarrassment to NASA, which last August put Goddard's deputy director, Dolly Perkins, in charge of the search. She is overseeing the hunt for the tapes and, perhaps more important right now, for memos and directives that might yield clues to their fate.

"As far as we know, all the tapes were handled properly from a mission perspective," she said. "Typically, when we record at a ground site, we don't preserve data tapes. The scientific investigators will get what they need and then erase. But here there is some indication that we didn't destroy the tapes but stored them for some period of time."

But as Perkins well understands, there is a difference between the "mission perspective" and the historical and social value of these particular tapes. The missing videos could help excite a new generation about exploring space, and they offer significant commercial possibilities as well.

"Maybe somebody didn't have the wisdom to realize that the original tapes might be valuable sometime in the future," she said. "Certainly, we can look back now and wonder why we didn't have better foresight about this."

The Saga Of the Lost Space Tapes - Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/30/AR2007013002065.html)

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Apollo 11 - Honeysuckle Creek and Sydney Video in the News -- July 1969

NASA owns the station and only a few Australians working there. This was a news film from 1969 and they clearly state that Australian Stations will be THE ONLY ONES receiving the signal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ3PmwZav00

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Greatest show on Earth?  Sounds like propaganda :P

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Popular Science thinks it's fishy... and tells Apollo Hoaxists to take not and give a short history of the Apollo Hoax...

The Apollo Vault

QuoteAt the National Archives, 13,000 reels of data are nowhere to be found - Apollo Hoaxists take note

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QuoteWorkings
The original film of the Apollo 11 moon landing is recorded on reels of specially formatted magnetic tape like this one. There is only one working machine at the Goddard Space Flight Center that can still read the magnetic tape.

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QuoteHave You Seen? NASA
These images were distributed to NASA employees in 2006 to help them identify any boxes of Apollo-era tapes they might come across. Goddard believes the missing tapes may still be somewhere at Goddard or sent off to other facilities for storage or research.

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QuoteTape It
Over 2,600 boxes of magnetic tapes full of Apollo data like this one were shipped from the National Archives to the Goddard Space Center between 1970 and 1975. Only two boxes of tapes remain at the Archives. The rest are missing

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QuoteKnowledge is Power
The tapes include biomedical data on astronauts, telemetry and engineering data from the Apollo missions, as well as video footage of the Apollo 11 landing. As NASA begins thinking about future missions to the moon, these 13,000 reels of missing tape would be a critical source of information.

SOURCE: The Apollo Vault - Popular Science (http://www.popsci.com/military-aviation-amp-space/gallery/2008-09/apollo-vault?image=0)

So a couple of points here... first the SHEER VOLUME of missing data, and second, VITAL data like gravity readings and other engineering data. Well its vital to us  ;D

Years ago John told us that despite them planning all sorts of return missions and making a Lunar Colony, that they would find some excuse NOT to go back...

Well now that President Obama has cut their funding and specifically told them they can NOT go back to the moon, nor Mars for at least 25 years (but they are allowed to visit and land on asteroids) they don't need to come up with an excuse.  So there ya have it... maybe we were booted off the Moon and told never to return... because we won't be doing that in mine and John's  lifetime now anyway.

A Brief History of the Apollo Hoax - Popular Science (http://www.popsci.com/military-aviation-amp-space/article/2008-09/brief-history-apollo-hoax)
Despite reams of evidence to the contrary, many still insist those footprints above are a myth

That is a funny statement  ;D They just finished telling us that all the tapes and data was lost  :o

One Giant Screwup for Mankind

NASA put a man on the moon - then lost the videotape. A grizzled crew of ex-rocket jockeys are on a star-crossed mission to find it. By David Kushner

QuoteWHEN THE EAGLE LUNAR MODULE TOUCHED DOWN ON JULY 20, 1969, all eyes were on astronaut Neil Armstrong. But Stan Lebar's ass was on the line.

A young electrical engineer at Westinghouse, Lebar had been tasked with developing a camera that could capture the most memorable moment of the 20th century – the Apollo 11 moon landing. The goal of the mission wasn't merely to get a man on the moon. It was to send back a live television feed so that everyone could see it – particularly the Soviets, who had initiated the space race in 1957 by launching Sputnik. If the feed failed, Lebar, the designated spokesperson for the video setup, would turn the camera on himself at Mission Control in Houston and apologize to more than half a billion TV viewers. "It was my responsibility," he says. "I'd have to stand up and take the hit."

There is just one problem: NASA has lost the tapes.

One Giant Screwup for Mankind - Wired News (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.01/nasa.html)

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Speaking of Wired News and Giant Screwups...

Space Junkyard - NASA Forgot How to go to the Moon

This is a video report and you need to watch it at Wired News. Near the end they ask Buzz Aldrin if it could have flown and he says "Yeah it could have been TESTED" 

So now NASA is reverse engineering Apollo rockets to see how they did it the first time... Seems like the tapes, NO ONE thought it was important to keep notes. NASA is either totally incompetent or this is one big lie that has many holes.

Space Junkyard - NASA Forgot How to go to the Moon - PBS (http://www.pbs.org/kcet/wiredscience/video/282-space_junkyard.html)

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A small piece is on youtube... but watch the whole video at Wired

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwp6GtD6dMY

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BBC Apollo 11 Missing Tapes
Sir Patrick Moore

Yes that's right! Not only did NASA lose the tapes, but so did the BBC

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QuoteMoore has undertaken significant research in astronomy. It was revealed in a TV programme that when the Russians wanted accurate information on the Moon over a number of years, they first went to America then other countries for the information but could not turn it up. Then someone suggested Patrick Moore and on going to his house and asking him, they were invited in. Moore left them and returned with a pile of exercise books with all the necessary information in, his records of observations over many years which is how in 1959, the Soviet Union used his charts of the moon to correlate their first pictures of the far side with his mapped features on the near side and he was involved in the lunar mapping used by the NASA Apollo space missions. In 1965, he was appointed Director of the newly-constructed Armagh Planetarium, a post he held until 1968. During the Apollo programme, he was one of the presenters of BBC television's coverage of the moon landing missions. The tapes of these broadcasts no longer exist: conflicting stories have circulated as to what precisely happened to them, or whether the broadcasts were recorded at all.

SOURCE: WIKIPEDIA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Patrick_Moore)

So not only are they gone, they can't even tell us what happened to them...

Patrick Moore also questioned the Apollo 11 crew on their return...

Patrick Moore asks the alleged Apollo 11 crew could you actually see the stars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyjppxh2-C0

Edited by: Sgt.Rocknroll

https://youtu.be/xyjppxh2-C0

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The following bit of information came from Sam Colby. I have emailed him to see if I can get the details of this story and have not yet had time to follow up on it. But I wanted to add it here with the other missing data information because if this is true, it explains everything... and yet raises a whole lot of new questions.

I am hoping to get some help tracking this one down...

Apollo files stored under guard at Langley Research Center.
Classified by L B Johnson,

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Quotehere are the Apollo files stored under guard at Langley Research Center. Classified by L B Johnson, and not due for declassification until 2026, when NASA will finally admit they faked the Apollo Moon missions. However by then it will not come as such a shock, as the majority media already know the truth behind NASA's fake Moon missions.

I am in no doubt whatsoever that there will still be PAN's in 2026 who will insist the Apollo Moon missions were real, even after NASA's admittance.

Source: Sam Colby - Apollo Reality (http://apolloreality2.bravehost.com/)

Now so far all the other images that have been supplied via Sam I have been able to verify at original sources, so I have no doubt that this story is real, and most likely only released recently... so lets get on it... because if LBJ did classify these after Kennedy was assassinated, I have a lot of questions.


That's all for now... need some sleep. I have more to add tomorrow and then I will unlock the thread for comments

UPDATE
The Files at Langley

According to NASA those files are from the Apollo 1 incident. I found 4 images in total covering those...

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NASA Photo ID: S67-19770
Apollo 1 prime crew are seen in their spacesuits at Launch Complex 34 at the  Kennedy Space Center, Florida. From left to right are Virgil I. Grissom,  Edward H. White II, and Roger B. Chaffee

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NASA Photo ID: S67-21294
Closeup view of the interior of Apollo Spacecraft 012 Command Module at Pad 34 showing the effects of the intense heat of the flash fire which killed the  prime crew of the Apollo/Saturn 204 mission. Astronauts Virgil I. Grissom,  Edward H. White II, and Roger B. Chaffee lost their lives in the accidental  fire.

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NASA Photo ID: S67-21295
Closeup view of the exterior of Apollo 012 Command Module at Pad 34 showing the effects of the intense heat of the flash fire which killed the prime crew  of the Apollo/Saturn 204 mission.

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NASA Photo ID: S90-35345
Langley Storage facility which housed remains of Apollo 204 craft

QuoteThe Apollo 204 command module is seen in storage at Langley Research Center in Virginia. The command module, damaged in the 1967 Apollo fire, its heat shield, booster protective cover and 81 cartons of related hardware and investigative data occupy 3,300 cubic feet of warehouse storage space. Astronauts Virgil I. Grissom, Roger B. Chaffee and Edward H. White II perished in the Apollo 204 spacecraft fire on Jan. 27, 1967 on Launch Complex 34 at Cape Canaveral. The hardware has been stored at Langley since 1967.

PLEASE NOTE UPDATE: In early May of 1990, NASA announced plans to move the hardware and related data to permanent storage with the Challenger debris in an abandoned missile silo at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station (CCAFS), Florida. However, at month's end, NASA announced it had decided to keep the capsule at Langley for an indefinite period of time.

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NASA Photo ID: S90-35346

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NASA Photo ID: S90-35347

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NASA Photo ID: S90-35348

Source: Apollo Saturn 1 - NASA (http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/mirrors/images/html/as1.htm)

So IF it was done in a studio, what would we need?

Well we would need movie sets, both indoor and outdoors sets...

Remember that James Bond film "Diamonds are Forever"  where James steals a moon buggy and goes tearing through a Moon set? You really think they made a whole moon set for such a short clip? :P

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And somewhere in all of this there is a scene where Bond interrupts what appears to be the faking and filming of a moon exploration before eventually nicking off with a Moon Buggy for a chase around the desert outside the moon themed hanger. Source (http://sayhellospaceman.blogspot.com/2011/06/diamonds-are-forever-1971.html)

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Is there a subtext here for those lunar landing sceptics or is it just a bit of fun? Source (http://sayhellospaceman.blogspot.com/2011/06/diamonds-are-forever-1971.html)

Uh huh... yeah...  ::)

Well we already saw the big gantry at Langley that could have been used for moving the LEM and we saw the huge moon props at Langley that were meticulously detailed using Lunar Orbiter images.

Now lets go find some out door sets with some craters...  Hmmmm not so many craters on Earth...

What to do? Call in the USGS with some dynamite (http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/smilies/thumbup.gif)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon8/Training/CinderLakes_explosion.jpg)

Apollo Training Photos
Cinder Lake
Sunset Crater, northeast of Flagstaff, Arizona

QuoteCinder Lake

Cinder Lake lies just south of Sunset Crater, northeast of Flagstaff Arizona. Access to it can be had from several directions, but the best seems to be forest road 776 which is marked as the "Cinder Hills ORV area" on a sign along highway 89 just south of the turnoff into the Sunset Crater National Park.

In the 1960s, the Astrogeology branch of the United States Geological Survey (USGS) in Flagstaff created an artificial crater field at Cinder Lake in order to train astronauts as well as test equipment and techniques for lunar exploration. They used a Lunar Orbiter image to re-create an actual lunar landscape by setting off charges of the right size to make craters of the right size, as well as setting them off in the proper sequence to get the overlaying ejecta layed out in the same order as seen in the lunar image. 

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Jim Irwin and Dave Scott of Apollo 15 in the 1-G Grover LRV trainer.

Cinder Lake history page (http://pirlwww.lpl.arizona.edu/~jscotti/cinderlake.html)

QuoteStarting in 1963, the Astrogeology Research Program played an important role in training astronauts destined to explore the lunar surface and in supporting the testing of equipment for both manned and unmanned missions.

As part of the astronauts' training, USGS and NASA geoscientists gave lectures and field trips during the 1960's and early 1970's to teach astronauts the basics of terrestrial and lunar geology. Field trips included excursions into the Grand Canyon to demonstrate the development of geologic structure over time; Lowell Observatory (Flagstaff) and Kitt Peak National Observatory (Tucson); Meteor Crater east of Flagstaff ; and Sunset Crater cinder cone and nearby lava flows in the Flagstaff area. This training was essential to giving astronauts the skills and understanding to make observations about what they would see on the lunar surface and to collect samples for later study back on Earth.

The volcanic fields around Flagstaff have proven particularly useful in testing equipment and training astronauts. Cameras planned for use in the Surveyor project were tested on the Bonito Flow in Sunset Crater National Park because the lava flow appeared to be similar to flows on the lunar surface. A field of artificial impact craters were created in the Cinder Lakes volcanic field near Flagstaff to create a surface similar to the proposed first manned American landing site on the Moon. 

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon8/Training/craterfield.jpg)

Editors Note: The following details about USGS Plaster of Paris models I have yet to verify

Apollo Reality - Sam Colby

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QuoteThe picture above [top] was taken at KSC, however those boulders appear to have a very similar layout to the boulders shown in the [above] picture, which NASA claims is a photo taken on the Moon. How could NASA create a boulder strewn landscape BEFORE they had visited the Moon, and therefore had any indication of what the landscape was like? The sculptured mountains shown in right hand picture are plaster Paris models made by USGS for use by NASA in creating fake Moon pictures.

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QuoteThe picture above [top] was taken at Houston. It shows how NASA created a fake Moon crater. That same crater however appeared in quite a number of Moon photo's from different missions. In Apollo 16 picture of Charlie Duke by crater, this is the crater. The rough edges, gaps and pockets between boulders were smoothed out with ash/charcoal. Overall this fake crater appeared in rough format for the Apollo 14 and 15 fake pictures, and smooth format for the Apollo 16 and 17 fake pictures. Picture [above] is how the crater appeared in one of NASA's fake Moon pictures.

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QuoteThe first photograph above is, believe it or not, a plaster of Paris model of Hadley Rille. The USGS made this plaster of Paris model BEFORE Apollo 15 supposedly landed on the Moon. How come? Well apparently previous Apollo missions supposedly did laser topography when circling the Moon, (funny that none of those astronauts from the previous missions made any mention of taking topography readings). The USGS then made a  plaster of Paris model of Hadley Rille based on those topography readings, or so we are told.

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QuoteThe picture shown on right, is a photograph of Hadley Rille supposedly taken by the Apollo 15 crew. USGS then said they were amazed that the model made by them, before astronauts went anywhere near Hadley Rille, was so like the real thing. We the public are not amazed, as we can see the plaster paris model was the one used for the Apollo 15 photo.

Source: Sam Colby - Apollo Reality (http://apolloreality2.bravehost.com/)

Apollo Training Photos
Building 9 at the Manned Spacecraft Center

Here is a photo of a training exercise... If you notice in the black sky you see anomalies... the same kind that Apollo surface shots are full of...

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Aldrin and Armstrong during EVA training April 29, 1969 Courtesy NASA/JPL

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Aldrin (left) and Armstrong (right) during EVA training exercises in Building 9 at the Manned Spacecraft Center April 22, 1969 Courtesy NASA/JPL

So lets turn on the lights...

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Lunar Set Building 9 Courtesy NASA/JPL

Now if you look at image # AS14-66-9295 (http://keithlaney.net/ApolloOrbitalimages/AS14/AS14-66-9295.jpg)

You will see this...

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That is either a UFO  or its one of the studio lights that they didn't edit out :D There are many more such 'artifacts' in the Apollo images...

This one in #AS16-111-18035HR (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/ISIS/Ship/AS16-111-18035HR.jpg)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Ship/Ship_AS16a.png)

My biggest issue with Apollo Surface images has always been with the Hills in the back ground... they look to smooth and featureless. Yet when we look at the Lunar Orbiter images we see sharp features and pointy shadows, sharp crags and gullies.

Yet in Apollo they are all smooth and void of any detail, even slightly blurry. And the edge where they meet the ground looks like its been added after. Also looking at where they touch the black sky... if you zoom in... it really looks like a sloppy job of painting in the black (or cutting out)  Just zoom in and follow the edges. I will add samples later

Here are a couple LO images showing the sharp pointed shadows...

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[more coming]

Even the Apollo images from orbit agree with that

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But Sam Colby has a different few point on the shadows...

QuoteThis is another interesting photograph supposedly taken by astronauts orbiting the Moon. See anything wrong with it? Well in case you hadn't noticed take a look at the length of the shadows cast by the Moon mountains/peaks. The length of those shadows is colossal, many, many miles long. Such a scenario is of course ridiculous. The reason the shadows are so long is because the light source is but a few feet away from the plaster of Paris model of the Moon.

Either way... the hills don't look and feel right

Meanwhile back at Building 9...
A New Look at the Moon Landing

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The three images above are NOT on the Moon... they are taken in Building 9. Just shows how easy it is :D  How do I know?

In 2005 they made a movie for the IMAX 3D film "Magnificent Desolation: Walking on the Moon 3D"

So let's compare the details of how they made that film with the Moon Landing. Remember that set in building 9? Well its still there after all these years  :o  Notice the green screens?

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Overhead shot of the re-created lunar surface for the IMAX 3D film Magnificent Desolation: Walking on the Moon 3D

The Green Screen... No hills added yet. This is why the Apollo Hills look like they were added in later :P

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Director Mark Cowen instructs astronaut actors on the set

Puppet on a String Notice the black sky 'anomaly' just above the Astronot... just like most Apollo photos :D

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Narrator/Producer/Writer Tom Hanks and Director Mark Cowen talk with an actor on the set

(Astronaught) Puppet on a String - Sandy Shaw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Zy2BkRv9Q

Edited by: Sgt.Rocknroll

https://youtu.be/K1Zy2BkRv9Q

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon8/Training/ig264_walk_moon_imax_10_02.jpg)
Overhead shot of astronaut actors on the Moon set

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Re-creation of Neil Armstrong, Apollo 11, surveying the landscape with a Hasselblad still camera

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Re-creation of Neil Armstrong, Apollo 11, taking a photo of fellow astronaut Buzz Aldrin with a Hasselblad still camera

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Re-creation of Charles Duke, Apollo 16, taking a personal moment to leave a family photo on the moon

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Re-creation of Dave Scott (left) and James Irwin, Apollo 15, exploring and photographing the lunar surface

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon8/Training/ig264_walk_moon_imax_05_02.jpg)
Re-creation of Dave Scott and James Irwin, Apollo 15, standing on the edge of Hadley Rille, a valley nearly a mile wide

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Re-creation of Buzz Aldrin, Apollo 11, descending from the LEM (Lunar Excursion Module) with Neil Armstrong nearby

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Re-creation of Neil Armstrong, Apollo 11, watching Buzz Aldrin descend from the LEM (Lunar Excursion Module)

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Apollo Cut and Paste

Many skeptics tell us the anomalies in Apollo images can all be explained... well how about THIS one?

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QuoteI call this photograph "One legged astronot who walks backwards". If you look closely you will see why. There are no footprints behind him, but plenty in front of him. This leads me to believe he has walked backwards. Further examination reveals he has lost his right leg completely, as one can see the fake lunar soil where his right leg should be. When composing fake pictures using "cut and paste" the above blunders are common if not checked correctly.

Sam Colby - Apollo Reality

Not sure about the walked backwards as he could have come around the back, but there is no denying that his leg is missing. Now what kind of a camera glitch would make his leg vanish yet show the dirt behind?

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Apollo_Fake/Missing_Leg_001.png)

Original Full Size from NASA #GPN-2000-001147 (http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/MEDIUM/GPN-2000-001147.jpg)

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NASA Image Description...

QuoteFull Description
Apollo 14 Commander Alan Shepard stands by the Modular Equipment Transporter (MET). The MET, which the astronauts nicknamed the "rickshaw," was a cart for carrying around tools, cameras and sample cases on the lunar surface. Shepard can be identified by the vertical stripe on his helmet. After Apollo 13, the commander's spacesuit had red stripes on the helmet, arms, and one leg, to help identify them in photographs.

http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/ABSTRACTS/GPN-2000-001147.html

Say WHAT?  :o

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