I post this because some may feel greatly discouraged because Americans do not rise up against the horrors that seem to increase by the day as their rights evaporate.
I say this: Public Apathy will not save the Cabal from destruction.
The average American might not feel bothered if the NSA reads their email or taps their phone - and why should they? The average American increasingly is tired, bewildered, sick, living on food stamps, unemployed, or broke. Yes, most importantly broke - lacking assets for the overlords to steal. Concerns about NSA monitoring is the least of their worries.
The Masters of the Current Financial Universal are like a pack of wolves starving for lack of prey - or perhaps a group of survivors in an overloaded lifeboat about to throw the weakest overboard.
In summary, they are about to turn on each other because they have no alternative. The Sheeple can only be nickeled and dimed so much and that won't feed their hunger. You can see this trend starting in things such as HFT activity on Wall Street as they struggle against each other with ever faster computers chasing fractions of a cent.
This is why the recent NSA revelations are so timely. They will turn politicians, bureaucrats, world leaders, and businessmen against each other as each thinks the worst of the other, asking 'what do they have on me?'.
The American people will come around after a while, no doubt.... but even if they didn't, it won't matter. The Cabal is about to self destruct by means of its own greed and sociopathy.
and it's going to be fascinating to watch.
(Disclaimer: The following post can be considered roleplay from Mirshalak, the character shown in my avatar. The tone at least should not necessarily be taken seriously; nor as an admission that I am a member of any kind of genuine militant organisation)
It is true that the Eye is already headed for strategic level defeat. We really saw the long term tide turn as early as 2007, but the financial crisis the following year actually ended up working to our own advantage; as it gave tremendous publicity to the fragility and psychopathic nature of the systems that the Eye relies on. The financial crash marked the beginning of mainstream awareness of the fact that the Eye even exists, as well; and exposure has always been our most potent weapon against it.
The Eye might still gain a few isolated tactical victories here and there, but all they will ultimately amount to are delays of its' demise. At this point it has lost sufficient ground that its' overall win condition is no longer achievable.
That is not to say that we do not still have a lot of work to do, but the March Against Monsanto was an incredibly positive indication. Gaining Monsanto's surrender in Europe is not only a tremendous tactical victory, but it has longer term strategic implementations as well. Genetic manipulation of the food supply, is one of the most important elements of the Eye's intended means for reducing the human population by 95%. If we stop the GM initiative, and hopefully also remove Monsanto entirely, then we will confiscate one of the most dangerous weapons in the Eye's arsenal.
Even more importantly, the March Again Monsanto demonstrated that the Resistance does not consist exclusively of a command structure minority, (that is, the actual organisers) but that we are also slowly beginning to gain critical mass within the more mainstream population as well.
America is, of course, still a problem, but the number of scandals we have been seeing, is indicating that both the public level of exposure of the psychopathic system, and the end of the public's willingness to tolerate them, is also building to a level that the people will soon begin taking exactly the type of action that we need.
The war is proceeding well; truthfully better, at this point, than I had dared hope.
Lok'tar, my friends; be encouraged.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-14/thousands-firms-trade-confidential-data-us-government-exchange-classified-intelligen
ZeroHedge reports on exactly the sort of emerging chaos I'm talking about: these sociopaths starting to feed on each other.
Quote from: Eighthman on June 14, 2013, 01:08:37 PM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-06-14/thousands-firms-trade-confidential-data-us-government-exchange-classified-intelligen
ZeroHedge reports on exactly the sort of emerging chaos I'm talking about: these sociopaths starting to feed on each other.
http://www.ahealedplanet.net/spirit.htm#serving
This perhaps is not something that I should be encouraging the study of, as focusing on it will potentially cause you to attract less positive conditions.
However, we will say that there are fundamentally two different moral polarities; Service to Others, and Service to Self. These two correspond with what have been colloquially referred to as "good," and "evil," respectively; although you should also know that the terms good and evil are an excessive oversimplification, and do not in themselves say anything about the actual characteristics of the polarity in question. By this, then, it can be said that in fact, moral absolutes genuinely do exist; it is simply that they have different definitions, than what have been previously applied.
Now, part of the definition of the Service to Self (also known as the entropic, negative, or yin) polarity, as the name suggests, is for an adherent of it, to seek their own aggrandisement or benefit, at the expense of others. The reason why I point this out, is in order to clarify that these individuals are not in the act of recently consuming each other, purely because of their current operating conditions; but rather because cannibalism is their default state, and what they therefore do even when conditions are more favourable.
The Service to Self polarity is inherently predatory; that is what it does. As a type of energy, it corresponds with individuals consuming each other for their own benefit, just as Service to Others as a polarity, corresponds with the behaviour of an adherent reinforcing, nurturing, and otherwise supporting others.
To offer further contrast for the sake of understanding, it is important to recognise that Capitalism as a system, corresponds very heavily with the Service to Self polarity. Adherents of Capitalism view literally everything around themselves as simply a raw resource, to be consumed for their own benefit, to the lack or detriment of others if needs be. To an extent, (although truthfully, not nearly as much as is claimed) this is what is advocated by Objectivism, or the philosophy of Ayn Rand.
The type of social model which I and Amaterasu advocate, on the other hand, much more strongly corresponds with the Service to Others polarity; which is to say, it is oriented towards individuals deriving benefit from the act of reinforcing or nurturing each other. Service to Others does not rightfully imply that the individual does not benefit; but more that the benefit of the individual is actually more robustly and securely assured, on the basis of the fact that it involves benefiting the collective as well.
petrus
the problem i have with the service-to-self vs. service-to-others paradigm is that it suggests, nay demands, that we engage in service-to-others till we have nothing left to give in service. this can happen while the persons involved are still quite young. meanwhile, the guys who came up with the idea, are sitting on their laurels, having succesfully convinced millions of people that slavery to them, is the ideal form of governance. that's what service-to-others is. now i don't mind, in fact, i enjoy, helping others, but when the government or groups within in the government start encouraging it, you can rest assured that it translates to slavery.
service-to-self is service-to-others THE RIGHT WAY, because you aren't a slave yourself and as a result, have the wherewithal to help others. but if everyone's a slave with the exception of an elite group, all that amounts to is mass misery and suffering, so one guy won't be jealous that another guy has something. the real issues are:
1) teach people that having stuff or not having stuff, is not the value of the individual. having stuff just makes life easier.
2) jealousy is a human emotion that is manipulated for the purpose of forcing individuals to give stuff to others (that is slavery). jealousy therefore, is the driving force behind poverty and slavery, and should be eradicated by #1 (that is, convincing people that a person's worth as a human being isn't measured by wealth / stuff)
3) you give out of the kindness of your heart, to the degree you are capable of, without putting yourself into the same situation your beneficiary is currently in. 2 poor people where there was once 1 poor person, does not fix poverty, just doubles the amount of poverty.
this thread had my head spinning.yall sure can talk the talk.
my own personal dillemma is the chaos that holds back improving my life.with the world in the state its in.makes it hard to place my bet for the future.i prefer the sure bet and those are getting harder to find.
yall are right about the cannabalism.is written in so many of our nations laws.as a pothead i have to wonder what would have happened if we had gone in a 180degree direction from where we went.if mass plantings and sharing could have been an even better concept.i dont believe we would have been lazy bums but more like happy laidback folks.
this thread has opened my eyes more to the abundence paradigm than i thought.i cant believe im thinking yalls way.im at a loss for words.
i'll give you an example:
police offiers association calls and wants a donation
firemen's association calls and wants a donation
veterans association calls and wants a donation
mothers against drunk driving calls and wants a donation
a company that hires handi-capped workers calls and wants us to buy a box of garbage bags for 200 hundred dollars
breast cancer awareness calls and wants a donation
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also, we have 3 children, 2 of which can't find jobs and are adults. so we are supporting both of them. our oldest has a job and a wife, but it doesn't pay enough to buy his own house or rent his own apartment, so he and his wife live here too. and his wife doesn't have a job either. i'm too sick to work for more than a few minutes at a time. so my husband is basically supporting all of us on his pay check, which he hasn't received a cost of living raise on since obama took office. the cost of gas for our vehicle went up, as did our taxes. and the guy is already a 2 time war vet with some ptsd issues that the military wouldn't address because they would've been required to give him full pay for it.
we have a cat my daughter brought home from a friend's house -- he's a stray, and he got hit by a car but wasn't dead (broke both hips). she was devastated and basically guilted us into having him fixed instead of putting him to sleep. the surgery was crazy expensive and we couldn't pay it in cash, had to put it on a charge card.
meanwhile, i've bypassed having new clothes, make up, perfume, dentures (my old ones never fit right) and cut expenses in other ways as well, such as couponing, not buying pre rolled cigarettes, using pipe tobacco instead, cutting off cable tv, and turning off long distance on our telephone.
we haven't bought our 2 youngest kids cars cause we wouldn't be able to afford the purchase, the gas and insurance, so that doesn't help either. and yet, people call and expect us to donate to their causes. we frequently do, but lately, it's been getting harder and harder to help, and that mostly because the economy sucks and the fact i haven't been able to contribute to our income for the last 15 years. so this has been a single income household for years, in a triple or even quadruple income economy. if we gave everyone money that asked for it, we wouldn't have any food nor be able to pay our bills, and the next time, we would be the ones asking for help.
Quote from: undo11 on June 14, 2013, 07:43:29 PM
i'll give you an example:
police offiers association calls and wants a donation
Tell them no donation until they stop using tasers on innocent people :P
personally i love roll your own.reg cigs taste nasty w the firesafe crap in them.i just got seeds of golden burly tobacco started the other day.hopefully a fall crop.if i grow enuf then 600$ savings for next year.i use a straightalk android phone for our home phone and computer.plus as tv for next three weeks as mine died three nights ago.
tags and inspection due next month.got five dollars in change until the first of the month.hoping no emergency comes up.i bought two camo pants and two camo shirts.these are the only new clothes i will buy for the year.i buy two pair of swat boots each year.
times are tuff but i know we americans can make it.
now if we could just fire all the freeloaders skimming our money in DC
Can you get Hubby to unleash the General Hammond within Undo on these folke from gov service's ? ;D
He Sure aswell deserves more from what I have read from your post's ;)
i'll give you an example:
police offiers association calls and wants a donation
firemen's association calls and wants a donation
veterans association calls and wants a donation
mothers against drunk driving calls and wants a donation
a company that hires handi-capped workers calls and wants us to buy a box of garbage bags for 200 hundred dollars
breast cancer awareness calls and wants a donation
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Well undo, that is what "unlisted" numbers are good for! ;)
I am sorry about the load you and the family is having to deal with, to survive. I hope that you can soon begin to feel better, and that all members of the family can move into paying jobs for things they enjoy doing. Work is "play", if one enjoys what they do.
Additionally, are you well enough to do "work at home", by phone/computer? There are good strong companies that do hire people to work at home, mainly in support/customer-care type functions. "Sykes Home/powered by Alpine Access" is one such company. I do have some knowledge of that company, and it definitely is no scammer. They do have major Fortune 500 customers, and, they also do have specific requirements for hiring work-at-home-employees too. There also other companies who hire similarly.
The "family" needs a positive forward-looking plan! And lastly but not least, there is "other help" which I know that you are aware of, for help in getting through this troubling time. :)
A link: https://jobs.alpineaccess.com/
Quote from: undo11 on June 14, 2013, 06:11:07 PM
petrus
the problem i have with the service-to-self vs. service-to-others paradigm is that it suggests, nay demands, that we engage in service-to-others till we have nothing left to give in service.
No, it does not. The idea is to associate with those people who you know will reciprocate. Ayn Rand objected to altruism on the basis that she considered it self-destructive; and given the specific definition of altruism that she was working with at the time, she was correct to do so. Hence the reason why she alone of the Capitalist philosophers, is someone who I have time for. Rand did not advocate Satanism, as LeVay suggested; to some extent at least, she simply advocated reason.
The point is not to engage in self-destructive behaviour. The point is to be generous towards individuals who can be trusted to engage in similar generosity themselves; and that way, while you are helping to meet their needs, they will do the same for you.
It also is not about whether or not you or the other person in question is already rich. Some of the people I knew in Nimbin were homeless; yet if you gave to them, they would give back to you to the extent of their ability.
The point is also to have a considerably higher degree of assurance where synchronicity is concerned, than has so far been the norm in our society, and to realise the truth of what I have practically experienced for most of my life; that if we change our attitude and genuinely expect to be provided for, then it
will happen. If you surround yourself with trustworthy individuals, as mentioned, and if you behave agreeably yourself, then this is assured.
The truth is that Wallace Wattles was right. Man remains poor and subject to deprivation because in most cases he is ignorant of, and thus not compliant with, universal law; but it is not because said law itself does not function or exist. It does. An element of said law, is what Buddhism and Hinduism have both referred to as
Satsanga, or the principle of right company.
The core issue is that in the case of so many people, their fundamental concept of reality needs to change; and the entire reason why they have been educated in a false view of said reality, is so that they can be kept the slaves of others.
I think the recent example of Senator Al Franken is instructive, as to what's wrong. He surprisingly transitioned from a leftist comedy writer on SNL into a politician who votes to protect Monsanto and speaks as a hawk on spying on Americans.
What happened? The temptation common to all of us, if we have too much power and too much opportunity for moral compromise.
The solution? Things and people are too big and too centralized. Banks, corporations and governments are too big and powerful and all need to be cut down to a small or moderate size. We'd all be better off and less tempted to cause horrors in the world, Al Franken included.
So, I think the primary obstacle might be scale. The second obstacle is lack of technology that would drive the world into decentralized governance - i.e. free energy.
Quote from: Eighthman on June 15, 2013, 03:06:53 AM
The solution? Things and people are too big and too centralized. Banks, corporations and governments are too big and powerful and all need to be cut down to a small or moderate size. We'd all be better off and less tempted to cause horrors in the world, Al Franken included.
So, I think the primary obstacle might be scale. The second obstacle is lack of technology that would drive the world into decentralized governance - i.e. free energy.
That is exactly what the problem is. Al Franken is human, like the rest of us. Someone probably sidled up to Al Franken at some point, and made the offer to take him out for dinner, over which it may have been gently explained to him how the "real world," supposedly works. The faceless individual who did this, may also have offered Mr. Franken a rather expensive, attractive, and morally liberal female companion for the remainder of the evening; and the rest, as they say, is history.
If we have a society with the level of inequality that we currently do, then when they are quietly and entirely unaccountably offered an opportunity to do better than almost everyone else struggling along at street level, the Al Frankens of the world cannot be blamed for their inability to resist the temptation to become Al Franken
stein, in moral terms.
We need to create a scenario where no single human community consists of more than a thousand people, at the absolute most. That way everyone knows everyone, and everyone is watching everyone; so the psychopaths have virtually no opportunity to either corrupt anyone else, or to engage in their usual shenanigans in general terms.
QuoteWe need to create a scenario where no single human community consists of more than a thousand people, at the absolute most. That way everyone knows everyone, and everyone is watching everyone; so the psychopaths have virtually no opportunity to either corrupt anyone else, or to engage in their usual shenanigans in general terms.
this happens all over the muslim nations and all it amounts to is a greater opportunity to manipulate public opinion.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/jun/16/gchq-intercepted-communications-g20-summits
Just out on Drudge. Exactly what I'm talking about - these fascists are starting to turn on each other.
Godspeed to that.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-06-20/nsa-whistleblower-nsa-spying-%E2%80%93-and-blackmailing-%E2%80%93-top-government-officials-an
Now, the NSA is spying on politicians and the military. Blackmail?
It's getting intense.
A Really Good Episode of Deep Space Nine to Watch !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Past_Tense_%28Star_Trek:_Deep_Space_Nine%29
Oddly I watched District 9 prior on another TV Station :D
The above has a lot to do apathy and why it happens :D
Quote from: Eighthman on June 15, 2013, 03:06:53 AM
The solution? Things and people are too big and too centralized. Banks, corporations and governments are too big and powerful and all need to be cut down to a small or moderate size. We'd all be better off and less tempted to cause horrors in the world, Al Franken included.
So, I think the primary obstacle might be scale. The second obstacle is lack of technology that would drive the world into decentralized governance - i.e. free energy.
Remove money and ALL these problems go away. Banks, corporations and governments. And yes, free energy is the key.
Quote from: petrus4 on June 15, 2013, 07:21:03 AM
If we have a society with the level of inequality that we currently do, then when they are quietly and entirely unaccountably offered an opportunity to do better than almost everyone else struggling along at street level, the Al Frankens of the world cannot be blamed for their inability to resist the temptation to become Al Frankenstein, in moral terms.
We need to create a scenario where no single human community consists of more than a thousand people, at the absolute most. That way everyone knows everyone, and everyone is watching everyone; so the psychopaths have virtually no opportunity to either corrupt anyone else, or to engage in their usual shenanigans in general terms.
We need to create a stigmergic society with as few restrictions as possible. If 50,000 People who LOVE quilting want to live in proximity - LET 'em. Wear a camera if You want witness - even one that transmits to another location so that if something happens to You, everyOne will see.
Stop expecting "society" to provide a solution to safety. If We ALL had equal access to equal weaponry and shielding... We would all presume everyOne armed and safe. Heh.
And society runs on statistics. The ONLY foothold psychopathy has is through money. People WILL be aware of Their neighbors. With the removal of global controlmind, with stigmergic governance in an emergent and stigmergic society, upholding the Betterment Ethic on the statistical whole, with no profit motive but the motive to profit One's reputation in some way bettering this universe...
We don't need to place limits but to live under the three Laws.
http://www.testosteronepit.com/
There is a report that the German government has warned people to stay away from Windows 8 because it's security is compromised.
Of course, the controlled media won't report it but this continuing scandal with NSA spying could be devastating to US businesses - especially in IT. China isn't going to accept 'back door' products and I further speculate that this could boost adoption of Linux.