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Artifacts and Ooparts Pointing to Ancient Civilizations Discussion Thread (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3628.msg50342#msg50342)

Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on December 01, 2011, 06:42:05 AM
Do you know anything else about the infamous "Dropa Stones"? I have tried to find more information on these rather enigmatic stones, but eh trail gets cold after the rediscovery of them in an Austrian museum.

All I have on the Dropa Stones is here;

The Dropas  (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Lolladoff_Plate_Real.html#Dropa)

There is quite a bit to look through so better take a minute to read over it. :D There are two sides to the story, one claiming its real and one claiming it was all made up. That page was created in 2008 and I haven't updated it since... mostly because I have found nothing new.

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Dropa/Dropa_002.jpg)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Dropa/Dropa_001.jpg)
A drawing made by Chinese archeologists

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Dropa/Dropa_005.jpg)
A different version of the same picture can be found here and there on the web, the difference is that the background has been removed

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Dropa/Dropa_003.jpg)
The same disk as black and white picture, source unknown.
The missing fragments match exactly the drawing above, the section does not clearly match

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Dropa/Dropa_004.jpg)
Another picture of the disk, unfortunately I have no information about this image, which is not bulletproof.

Earliest Verified Report

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The Dropa - The Chinese Pyramids

The lecture is by Hartwig Hausdorf, German author of UFO & Ancient Astronaut Theory, it was given on August 9, 1997 at Lucy & Orlando Plá house in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_ciencia/ciencia_dropa20.jpg)

The Dropa - The Chinese Pyramids (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/arqueologia/esp_dropa_6.htm)

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The original map for this lecture was not available, but this photo of the area shows over 70 pyramids with the largest, Mount Li (circa 210 B.C.), being 15 stories tall (1,500 feet!)

I found this group of pyramids on Google Earth years ago and will cover that in a thread about the Chinese Pyramids

Nepal Connection
The Lolladoff Plate - Real?

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Lolladoff/Lolladoff_001.jpg)

QuoteThe Lolladoff Plate - Real?

It seems that Egypt is not the only place that has been visited by Aliens in ancient times. This plate called 'The Lolladoff plate' is a 12,000 year old stone dish found in Nepal. It clearly shows a disk shaped UFO (top of pic, hard to see from the angle of the plate however). There is also a figure on the disc looking remarkably similar to a Grey. Notice the spiral galaxy shape as well, with the alien inside it and the ufo at the begging of it. Galaxies come in spiral shape and through out India, Egypt and Peru and other ancient sites the spiral shape is very often seen. This galaxy spiral is probably there to tell us that they flew here from another galaxy, or the spiral shape could signify energy or eternity, other meanings attributed to the spiral by Egyptians and other ancient cultures with inexplicable advanced methods in astronomy and spirituality.

SOURCE: Mondovista (http://www.mondovista.com/lolladoff.html)

The Lolladoff Plate

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Lolladoff/Lolladoff_005.JPG)
The order of images on the spiral is significant if indeed this is a genuine artifact...
First a reptile, then sea creatures, then a Gray, then a spacecraft and finally a mammal... No work yet found on the runes or characters on the disk.

The Lolladoff Plate

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/04images/Lolladoff/Lolladoff_006.jpg)

QuoteThe Dropas:
THE LOLLADOFF PLATE:

In the David Gamon's book which tells the story invented by him of an expedition of Dr. Karyl Robin-Evans in Tibet in the land of the Dropas, a plate of Professor Lolladoff is mentioned.

According to the invented story, little time after the end of World War II, Polish professor Lolladoff showed one of the Dropa discs to an English scientist, Dr. Karyl Robin-Evans. Lolladoff claimed to have bought the disc in Mussorie in Northern India, and that the disc came from strange people called Dzopas which use such discs at the time of religious ceremonies. It is this plate that motivates Robin-Evans' Tibet expedition.

Here is the image of the infamous plate: (see above)

I was told by David Gamon the details on this matter. On my question, he informed me that he probably made a rough sketch of the plate for one of his friends who had a forgery talent and who made a black and white painting of the plate and photographed it just enoought out of focus so that it appears real. David is not very sure anymore to have made the rough sketch, it was almost 30 years ago, but he remembers well the friend who made the painting of the plate.

As for the name "Lolladoff", David Gamon sought an anagram for "loads of ball" for the name of this invented character, but that did not function. "Lolladoff" is the name which then came to him at the head.

SOURCE: Ufologie.net (http://www.ufologie.net/htm/dropaslolladoffplate.htm)

Chinese Neolithic Jade Bi Discs
The Real 'Dropa' Stones ?

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China, Gansu Province, Xia Peoples. large Jade stone "Bi" Disc, Xia Dynasty (2100-1600BC), 11.5" d x .375" thick, beautiful blue jade stone with cream colored encrustation, rare heavenly ritual object

Ancient Chinese Jade "Bi Discs" were flat round pieces in the shape of a disc with a central  hole. They were used as ritual implements in sacrificial ceremonies. In the earliest dynasties (Liangzhu to Xia), it was originally used as a ritual vessel to offer sacrifices to the god(s) of the heavens, but gradually lost it's ritual function in later dynasties.  It became more decorative with finely incised designs on the disk in the Han and later periods.

SOURCE: www.artscraftsgal.com/ (http://www.artscraftsgal.com/prod.itml/icOid/569)

Bi Disc China, Liangzhu period, 3rd Millenium BC

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bi_Discs/FFB-BiScheibe_a.JPG)
Museum für Angewandte Kunst, Frankfurt (Germany)
Photographer:user:Dr. Meierhofer
Date: 15.08.2006

Bi Disc over 3,000 Years Old

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A jade bi disc over 3,000 years old. The function and meaning of these mysterious discs are unknown. Jade was believed to confer immortality, and they are often found laid on or next to bodies in ancient Chinese burials. This one has an inscription by an 18th-century emperor, wrongly identifying it as a cup holder
Photograph: ©The Trustees of the British Museum

SOURCE: www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery (http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2009/jan/18/china-journey-east-british-museum?picture=341943109)

Liangzhu Jade Bi Disc

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The earliest jade Bi discs appeared in the Hongshan Culture in west Liaoning province. In the Taihu Lake area, however, it was excavated in a Songze tomb at the Fuquanshan Site, Shanghai. Due to close connections between Shanghai and areas of north China in ancient times, a Dawenkou painted pottery flask was also found in a major Liangzhu tomb at the Fuquanshan Site. Would it be possible that jade Bi was originally a imported object since Fuquanshan was a port at that time?

SOURCE: The Shanghaiese of 4000 Years Ago-the Liangzhu Culture (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Chinese_Bi_Discs_The_Real_Dropa_Stones.html)

Chinese Neolithic Jade Bi Discs

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Circular bi discs found in neolithic burial sites in China, circa 3000 B.C.E. The jade objects represent Heaven and in ritual were laid along limbs of the deceased. Set of four in shades of cream brown, gray, and ochre. Disk sizes: 7 1/2", 9 3/4", 11", 11 1/2". All in excellent condition.

SOURCE: www.griffingallery.net/ (http://www.griffingallery.net/items/617109/item617109store.html)

Baigong Pipes

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The strange landscape near Mt. Baigong

QuoteWe're all familiar with the concept of modern technology having ancient Chinese analogues. But a 2002 discovery in remote Qinghai province is anachronistic enough to constitute an OOPart. Out-of-place-artifacts are so unusual, or found in such improbable contexts, that mainstream science has no plausible explanation for them.

QuoteLocals, residing forty kilometers southeast of Qinghai's Delingha city, have known of the pipes for centuries. They credit aliens for their construction, and even have legends of extraterrestrial visitors to Mt. Baigong. Although the stories are met with predictable skepticism, they become harder to laugh off when one takes in the sixty-meter pyramid near the mountain's summit. Superficially, the pyramid could be shrugged off as having been shaped by natural forces. For some reason, however, the structure has not been conclusively studied, at least officially.

Near the foot of Mt. Baigong lie three caves, the largest and most accessible some eight meters high by six meters deep. Inside, spanning from the roof to the back end of the cave, runs a pipe 40 cm in diameter. Another one roughly the same size runs into the earth from the floor, with just the top protruding.

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A piece of Baigong pipe

QuoteThe pipes, according to tests carried out at a local smeltery, are made chiefly of iron, but with an unusual thirty percent silicon dioxide in their matrix. They are also centuries old, if Xinhua and its source, Liu Shaolin, the engineer who carried out preliminary tests, are to be believed. Strange, but easily written off as a bizarre metallurgical operation by some nomads with too much time on their hands, assuming geological origins of the eerily symmetrical pyramid.

However, dozens of pipe openings have been discovered in the mountains far above the caves. Now these nomads must be credited with some advanced system of drilling since forgotten, as there is no modern industry in the area nor record of such. Not far from the foot of Baigong sits Toson Lake, on whose beach run many more iron pipes in unlikely patterns and in a variety of diameters, toothpick-sized at the thinnest. More pipes are in the lake, some protruding above the water surface, others buried beneath the lake's bed.

Although nine Chinese scientists were reportedly dispatched to make a detailed analysis of the pipes in 2002, there has been no further information. This hasn't prevented local government from promoting the site as a tourist attraction. A CCTV crew went to Mt. Baigong soon after, accompanied by researchers from the Beijing UFO Research Association, but no record or footage of the expedition has come to our attention. If this is because such documentation would be widely laughed off, then they would at the expense of Yang Ji, a research fellow of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences who told Xinhua that the extraterrestrial theory was "understandable and worth looking into".

Then again, plain old terrestrial science has many mysteries left to be fully explained. Similar pipe-like structures have been found in the Jurassic sandstone of the Southwestern United States, as well as in Citronelle formations in Louisiana. No pyramids have been found close on, and researchers have concluded that they were formed through natural processes. But similar conclusions from scientists studying the Baigong pipes have yet to be announced, six years later.

SOURCE: China Expat (http://www.chinaexpat.com/blog/ernie/2008/12/16/baigong-pipes-nature-or-oopart.html)

Chinese Scientists to Head for Suspected ET Relics

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QuoteDELINGHA (QINGHAI), June 19 (Xinhuanet) -- A group of nine Chinese scientists will go to west China's Qinghai Province this month to closely examine the relics thought by some to have been left by extraterrestrial beings (ET).

It will be the first time scientists seriously study the mysterious site near Delingha City in the depths of the Qaidam Basin, according to government sources with the Haixi Mongolian and Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture, where Delingha is located.

The site, known by local people as "the ET relics", is on MountBaigong about 40 kilometers to the southwest of Delingha City.

SOURCE: Xinhuanet  (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2002-06/19/content_448113.htm)

More Here - Pegasus Page (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Baigong_Pipes.html)

This is Good Stuff!


I recently received a whole bunch of 'Books' about Atlantis and Lemuria via a research society group I joined last August.
It is very detailed on many things regarding this subject that I never knew anything about....
They are of course in PDF format now.
Some of these books are from the early part of the 20th century.
Some are newer...
Some are re-written and some are just Flat Bed Scanner scanned...
I like reading the 'Old Stuff' before there was so much dis-info put out.
Not that there wasn't any back then but, I assume a lot less...


I just do not know how to share them here.  They are quite large files and too large to even email to anyone.

No problem. You can send them via a free file sharing link and I can store them on the server.  We can also burn them onto a DVD if they are older and past copyright.

The Instanbul rocket ship ,currently located in the Istanbul Archaeology Museum in Turkey

This is one I just ran into today...

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Now one of the comments on that artifact says;

Baykar Sepoyan
It's been chemically tested and proven to be a fake. It was produced in a mold 25 years ago, and is made of plaster and ground marble.

I asked him for a link to that proof but no reply so far.  Its like you said Dood, the old stuff before all the hoaxing and fakery is better, though they did do some of that in Ancient times too ;)

Anyway this one was reposted by Robert S Thomas

A few days ago on FB Robert posted an offer for a free copy of his new book and I happened to be at the right place at the right time :D  So I am going to do a thread on his work. Seems his research is right up our alley as it were.

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New Dates for the Lion Man

Okay this is a new one for me. Never heard of the Lion man before. This article is from an Archaeological publication   :o

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QuoteULM, GERMANY—New radiocarbon dates for bones found in the same strata as the "lion man" indicate that the Ice Age figurative sculpture is 40,000 years old, or 8,000 years older than previously thought. Carved from mammoth ivory, the first fragments of the lion man were discovered in 1939 in Germany's Stadel Cave, just a few days before the outbreak of World War II. Archaeologists hastily filled in their trenches to protect the site and stored the sculpture in the City Museum of Ulm, where it was first reassembled in the 1970s. Recent excavations by Claus-Joachim Kind have recovered another 1,000 bits of mammoth bone that are now being added to the sculpture using computer-imaging techniques. The Ulm Museum plans to unveil the refurbished lion man in November.  See ARCHAEOLOGY's "New Life for the Lion Man" for an in-depth look at the process of reconstructing the Ice Age masterpiece.

New Dates for the Lion Man (http://www.archaeology.org/news/497-130201-germany-lion-man-reassembled)

yet one more piece pushing the date of civilization further back... but this one 40,000 years?  DANG

Ice Age Lion Man is world's earliest figurative sculpture

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40,000 years old: Lion Man sculpture. Photo: Thomas Stephan, © Ulmer Museum

Quote Work carved from mammoth ivory has been redated and 1,000 new fragments discovered—but it won't make it to British Museum show

By Martin Bailey. Web only
Published online: 31 January 2013

The star exhibit initially promised for the British Museum's "Ice Age Art" show will not be coming—but for a good reason. New pieces of Ulm's Lion Man sculpture have been discovered and it has been found to be much older than originally thought, at around 40,000 years. This makes it the world's earliest figurative sculpture. At the London exhibition, which opens on 7 February, a replica from the Ulm Museum will instead go on display.

The story of the discovery of the Lion Man goes back to August 1939, when fragments of mammoth ivory were excavated at the back of the Stadel Cave in the Swabian Alps, south-west Germany. This was a few days before the outbreak of the Second World War. When it was eventually reassembled in 1970, it was regarded as a standing bear or big cat, but with human characteristics

QuoteThis revised dating pushes the Lion Man right back to the oldest sculptures, which have been found in two other caves in the Swabian Alps. These rare finds are dated at 35,000 to 40,000 years, but the Lion Man is by far the largest and most complex piece. A few carved items have been found in other regions which are slightly older, but these have simple patterns, not figuration.

What was striking about the sculptor of the Lion Man sculptor is that he or she had a mind capable of imagination rather than simply representing real forms.

Ice Age Lion Man is world's earliest figurative sculpture (http://www.theartnewspaper.com/articles/Ice-Age-iLion-Mani-is-worlds-earliest-figurative-sculpture/28595)

This comment... "What was striking about the sculptor of the Lion Man sculptor is that he or she had a mind capable of imagination rather than simply representing real forms"

Either that or during that time there really were animal headed humans running around. After all we see these representations in all cultures The Vedics, Egyptian, Annunaki, Mayans etc. all show us 'gods' that had animal heads on very healthy loking human bodies.

Perhaps they were head pieces like they show us on Stargate SG1 :D but the fact remains its a common theme

DISCO COLGANTE

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Translation from Russian by Google;

Probably, this museum exhibit is a copy of the alien devaysa "flying saucer", the basis of which the engine is supermagnetron designed for vibrational mode with the symmetry axis of the third order. On three odd conductors filled cells of "vafilnogo filter", the electromagnetic wave-borne delay with respect to the even (smooth) spiral conductors. Real alien device development must be constructed magnetron technology, ie High steper symmetry and with the skin layer made of a good conductor, such as silver.

http://picotechnology.ru/disco-colgante/

Nothing further on this one yet

Cave Art : Bison Of Tuc D'Audoubert

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Bradshaw Foundation visit to view the c. 14,000 year old Bull and Cow Bison found in the Le Tuc d'Audoubert cave, Ariege, France.
by John Robinson

QuoteThe 15000 years that separated me from the child disappeared as though the time between us had been wiped away. These people were our ancestors, every bit as clever as we like to think we are, but able to survive in an environment that would kill most of us all off today. Without doubt their artistic skill was absolutely brilliant, and I believe, was more in touch with the purpose that Art should play in society than it does today.

QuoteWe followed on, turning this way and that, always sticking to the pathway. A narrow squeeze, a larger tunnel, and skirting around sections of the cave floor that had collapsed into the lower levels made by the river. No-where was there any art, the walls of the tunnel were pristine.

Time and space were so completely mixed together by now that I had no idea of either as separate identities. The Count turned to me and pointed off to the left down into a large hollow space. "Sit and Rest", he said in French. I settled down and waited. "Look behind you". I turned and there were the Bison, three feet away from my eyes. "Oh my God", I exclaimed. What a moment. What an impact. I could not believe my eyes. The Bison are incredibly beautiful, incredibly powerful, and immensely full of Religious Purpose. The Cow is ready and the Bull is scenting the air. The act of conception is about to be fulfilled, and a new Life is about to be created.

The two Bison lean against a central rock that supports them, adding a scale to the scene. Because of the darkness of the cavern that surrounds the sculptures, one feels as though you are looking down from afar onto a moment of real life.

A white ribbon encircles the Bison. No one is allowed to stand, in case they accidentally fall on the Art that has been there for 15000 years. Slowly I crawled around the circle so I could see all the angles of perspective, shining my light this way and that to get the shadow effects. The great humps of the Bison were exactly like the Bison Damon and I had seen the week before in Montana. There, wild Bison still roam the valleys, as they must have done here 15000 years ago, providing meat to the Magdalenian people then, just as they had the Hunter Gatherer Indians of America.

The sculptures are a unique wonder of the Art world. Two foot long, eighteen inches high, three to four inches thick, modelled in clay, the surface given a wet finish to make them smooth. The finger strokes of the artist can be seen running down the length of the animals. The mane and beard are etched with a tool, but the marking along the jawbones are done by the artist's fingernail. The horns are rougher and not water treated. The clay has cracks running across the bodies, indicating that the sculptures have dried out, although the clay we were sitting on is still quite pliable.

Bison Of Tuc D'Audoubert (http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/bison-tuc-d-audoubert2.php)

Mayan Rocket Ship

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QuoteThe Mayan king known as "Pakal The Great" ruled from the age of 12 in 615 A.D. til his death at age 80. Pakal's sarcophagus lid strangely appears to depict a man flying a rocket ship. The man seems  bent over with his hands on some kind of "gear-shifter" type controls. At the bottom see what appear to be flames shooting  out of a rocket. Around the edges are glyphs that depict the Sun, Moon, Venus and various star constellations. Is it possible that the Mayans could have learned Astronomy from Aliens?

(http://devilsverse.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/pakalimage11.jpg?w=225&h=300)

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Dogon Ancient Tayos Cave Collection

The Dogon artifacts warrant there own thread when I have time, but this one came by way of a fellow who claims to have seen them. He has some photos that require enhancement but he posted this one today to illustrate what he was seeing.  Doing a little searching I find that this one is for sale...

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Dogon Ancient Tayos Cave Collection (http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ec/MEC-400872791-dogon-ancient-tayos-cave-collection-_JM?redirectedFromParent=MEC10785139)

Only $400.00 US  :o

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The Enigmas of Writing: The Phaistos Disk
by Jacques B.­M. Guy and Dennis J. Stallings

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Face A  image Source (http://face%20a)

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Face B  image Source (http://face%20a)

QuoteOne fine day in 1908, Luigi Pernier found, in an annex on the northeast periphery of the palace of Minos in Crete, in a wretched doorless shed of 140 square feet, entered through a trap door, amidst fragments of a tablet in Linear A, clay potsherds, ashes, charcoal residue, in short, amidst a bunch of trash, a circular terra cotta tablet, covered with limestone. When cleaned, it was seen to bear on its two sides some 240 hieroglyphs in an unknown script. And the writing's direction is even more remarkable than that of the Easter Island tablets: spiral! You will find a photographic reproduction on p. 44 of Writing: Man's Memory by Georges Jean in the Découverts Gallimard series. But to learn more you will have to unearth Vol. 12 of Glottometrika , published by the University of Bochum in Germany, in which Michael Trauth will explain to you very seriously and clearly all that is known about the mysterious tablet in an article entitled "The Phaistos Disk and the Devil's Advocate".

The Phaïstos Disk is in terra cotta, very fine, a little irregular. Its diameter varies from 6.2 in. /15.8 cm. to 6.5 in. /16.5 cm., its thickness from 16 to 21 mm. / 5/8 to 13/16 in. On each face a spiral line acts as a guide, like the lines in a school notebook, like the engraved grooves of the Easter Island tablets. It is generally agreed to date from the 17th century B.C., although some prefer to date it only to the 12th century B.C.; still others back to the 19th century B.C. On one face are 122 hieroglyphs in 31 groups separated by a vertical stroke. On the other are 199 in 30 groups separated likewise. I've saved the best for the last: these hieroglyphs were, not carved, but stamped! Yes, 3000­4000 years ago printing was invented. On clay, certainly, and not paper, but printing nonetheless. What do these hieroglyphs resemble? All mixed up, one sees a bald head, another like a Mohican, a St. James shell (or a baseball mitt), a donkey's jaw (or a Venetian gondola), a round shield (or a revolver barrel), a square, a dove with an olive branch, a chrysanthemum ( or a daisy), a wine press (or a beehive), in all, forty­five different signs. Proposed translations range from a hymn to Poseidon to the story of Atlantis' disappearance. And why not? To experts in cryptology, it is a well­known fact that, given an enciphered text sufficiently short, one may propose practically any decipherment without being able to decide which one is correct. Now, not only is the text of the Phaïstos disk short, 241 hieroglyphs, but the language is unknown. Even the direction of the writing is undecided: from the center to the periphery, or the opposite. There is no way of knowing, because Shannon and Weaver proved, nearly 50 years ago, that the fundamental mathematical property of texts, entropy, is the same no matter which direction one reads them in.

So?

Well, unless someone discovers somewhere hundreds of tablets covered with the same writing, or a tablet with its translation in a known language, we will never be able to decipher the Phaïstos Disk. We don't even know where it came from. Found among the contents of the trashcans of the palace of Minos, one could imagine anything. No one knows what sort of writing it is, either. Alphabetic? Some say, "No, 45 signs is too much for an alphabetic script." Come on! That's just about the number of letters in the Sanskrit alphabet. And doesn't Arabic have as many as four forms for a letter depending on the position it occupies in a word? And we ourselves, don't we have upper­ and lower­case letters which scarcely resemble each other, and therefore not 26 but 52 letters? Others have said, "There are too few signs for an ideographic system like Chinese, so it is a syllabary." Nothing is less certain. The immense majority of ancient tablets, Babylonian, Sumerian, or others are only apothecaries' accounts, taxes received, disbursements, receipts. The Phaïstos Disk could very well be a bill of lading with so much of this, so much of that. Whether it were slaves, honeycombs, zebra skins, shields, or St. James' shells, a ship's cargo is unlikely to exceed a dozen different types of articles, and therefore, few different ideograms. Some have also said, "This cannot be an ideographic system, for there would have had to have been a different stamp for each ideogram." Ah, an excellent argument! Did the Chinese deprive themselves of the invention of printing under the pretext that their writing consisted of thousands of characters?

No, truly, there is no way of knowing, it remains a complete mystery.

Needless to say,  that hasn't stopped some people from trying. As Voynichomanes, we both know that "to experts in cryptology, it is a well­known fact that, given an enciphered text sufficiently short, one may propose practically any decipherment without being able to decide which one is correct."  Many otherwise intelligent people do not know this, and think themselves geniuses for discovering new interpretations of the Phaïstos Disk. The Phaistos Disk Decipherment Update (http://users.otenet.gr/~svoronan/phaistos.htm) is too good to miss.

The latest breaking news: Paul Bahn, the noted archaeologist, describes the Phaistos Disk as a "large, carved stone disc" (New Scientist, No. 2121, p.44, 14 Feb. 1998). Large, carved, stone... all he got right was "disc". Probably a typo for "dish"!

The Enigmas of Writing: The Phaistos Disk (http://www.ixoloxi.com/phaistos/index.html)

Phaistos Disc

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The Phaistos Disc (side A) location    Heraklion Archaeological Museum, Crete, Greece

QuoteThe Phaistos Disc (also spelled Phaistos Disk, Phaestos Disc) is a disk of fired clay from the Minoan palace of Phaistos on the Greek island of Crete, possibly dating to the middle or late Minoan Bronze Age (2nd millennium BC). It is about 15 cm (5.9 in) in diameter and covered on both sides with a spiral of stamped symbols. Its purpose and meaning, and even its original geographical place of manufacture, remain disputed, making it one of the most famous mysteries of archaeology. This unique object is now on display at the archaeological museum of Heraklion.

The disc was discovered in 1908 by the Italian archaeologist Luigi Pernier in the Minoan palace-site of Phaistos, and features 241 tokens, comprising 45 unique signs, which were apparently made by pressing hieroglyphic "seals" into a disc of soft clay, in a clockwise sequence spiraling toward the disc's center.

The Phaistos Disc captured the imagination of amateur and professional archeologists, and many attempts have been made to decipher the code behind the disc's signs. While it is not clear that it is a script, most attempted decipherments assume that it is; most additionally assume a syllabary, others an alphabet or logography. Attempts at decipherment are generally thought to be unlikely to succeed unless more examples of the signs are found, as it is generally agreed that there is not enough context available for a meaningful analysis.

Although the Phaistos Disc is generally accepted as authentic by archaeologists, a few scholars believe that the disc is a forgery or a hoax.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaistos_Disc

Another discovery now dates to 9000

THE DABOUS GIRAFFE ROCK ART PETROGLYPH

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QuoteIn the heart of the Sahara lies the Tenere Desert. 'Tenere', literally translated as 'where there is nothing', is a barren desert landscape stretching for thousands of miles, but this literal translation belies its ancient significance - for over two millenia, the Tuareg operated the trans-Saharan caravan trade route connecting the great cities on the southern edge of the Sahara via five desert trade routes to the northern coast of Africa.

And before the Tuareg? Life in the region now known as the Sahara has evolved for millennia, in varying forms. One particular piece of evidence of this age-old occupation can be found at the pinnacle of a lonely rocky outcrop. Here, where the desert meets the slopes of the Air Mountains, lies Dabous, home to one of the finest examples of ancient rock art in the world - two life-size giraffe carved in stone. They were first recorded as recently as 1987 by Christian Dupuy. A subsequent field trip organised by David Coulson of the Trust for African Rock Art, brought the attention of archaeologist Dr Jean Clottes, who was startled by their significance, due to the size, beauty and technique.

The two giraffe, one large male in front of a smaller female, were engraved side by side on the sandstone's weathered surface. The larger of the two is over 18 feet tall, combining several techniques including scraping, smoothing and deep engraving of the outlines. However, signs of deterioration were clearly evident. Despite their remoteness, the site was beginning to receive more and more attention, as these exceptional carvings were beginning to suffer the consequences of both voluntary and involuntary human degradation. The petroglyphs were being damaged by trampling, but perhaps worse than this, they were being degraded by grafitti and fragments were being stolen.

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Damon de Laszlo Bradshaw Foundation


The Chairman of the Bradshaw Foundation, Damon de Laszlo, saw that 'the obvious answer to this was to attempt to preserve them, not only because of their artistic significance, but also their placement within a palaeo-African context ie. a greener Sahara, and how this ties in with our 'Journey of Mankind' Genetic Map.' This preservation would take the form of making a mould of the carvings, and then cast them in a resistant material.

The point of this was two-fold; now was the time to take the mould because the carvings were still – just – in a perfect condition, and by publicising the importance of the carvings, their value would be realised and their protection prioritized. By chance, a year earlier saw the publication of 'Zarafa' by Michael Allin, depicting the fascinating tale of a giraffe from the Sudan being led across France in 1826 – the Dabous giraffe would travel to France nearly two hundred years later, but in a slightly different fashion.

One of the major aims of the Bradshaw Foundation is to preserve ancient rock art, but with a project of this nature and scale, we obviously needed permission from both UNESCO and the government of Niger. Moreover, it was important to ensure that the project would be carried out at the grass-roots level, with full involvement of the Tuareg custodians. Finally, consideration of the future preservation had to be catered for, and for this reason a well was sunk near the site to provide water for a small group to live in the area, a member of which would act as a permanent guide - to show where to mount the outcrop, where to best view the petroglyphs without walking on them, and to ensure no damage or theft.

THE DABOUS GIRAFFE ROCK ART PETROGLYPH - BRITISH MUSEUM (http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/giraffe/)

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QuoteBut who were the artists? The present-day custodians are the Tuareg, but their origin is historic, whereas the carvings are clearly prehistoric. Scientists came closer to the answer in 2000. During the Bradshaw Foundation expedition to the Tenere Desert in Niger in 1999 to take a mould of the Dabous giraffe carvings, the team travelled north of Dabous to explore an area of desert where there were reports of archaeological remains on the shores of an extinct lake. The team indeed found numerous and varied artifacts on the desert floor, ranging from arrow heads and stone axe heads to shards of pottery.

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Photo by Mike Hettwer
Grave with a female adult and two children. 'This strongly indicates they had spiritual beliefs and cared for their dead.' Elana Garcea, University of Cassino in Italy

QuoteAlthough there was clear evidence of sedentary life involving hunting and gathering, little did we realize we were standing on top of further evidence of this past life-style that reflected a greener Sahara, and evidence which would later provide clues as to who the original artists of the giraffe carvings just to the south were and when they were carved. At this time Dr Jean Clottes estimated that the carvings were between 7,000 and 10,000 years old.

It was a year later that the new evidence at the site, now named Gobero, was excavated. As reported in New Scientist August 2008, and in National Geographic magazine September 2008, Paul Sereno, one of National Geographic's explorers-in-residence, visited the 10,000-year-old site, during a dinosaur-hunting expedition in 2000. The subsequent excavation of a graveyard on the shore of this dried-up lake suggests that at least two Stone Age peoples once lived there. Some 200 graves excavated so far reveal intriguing clues about these desert dwellers.

The artists must have used a harder material like flint to carve the softer sandstone of Dabous
First came the Kiffian, who grew up to 2 metres tall and hunted wild game, the bones of which were found nearby. They vanished when the Sahara entered a dry spell about 8000 years ago, to be replaced by the shorter, leaner Tenerians when the rains returned a millennium later. Bones and artefacts imply that they herded cattle and hunted fish and wildlife. Presently it is not possible to say with any certainty which culture – the Kiffian or the Tenerian - was responsible for the carvings.

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Flint from the Tenere Desert
The artists must have used a harder material like flint to carve the softer sandstone of Dabous

QuoteHow were the carvings created? 10,000 years ago there was no metal - this was well before the Bronze Age - so how did the artists carve the lines? They must have used a harder material like flint to carve the softer sandstone of Dabous. The desert sands surrounding the outcrop are covered with numerous chisels of petrified wood, perfect for wearing away grooves and then polishing the surface. This in itself magnifies the significance of Dabous, for its scale and craftsmanship, and therefore the amount of time it must have taken to execute.

THE DABOUS GIRAFFE ROCK ART PETROGLYPH - BRITISH MUSEUM (http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/giraffe/artists.php)

Lady of Elche

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QuoteThe enigmatic Lady of Elche or Lady of Elx (Spanish: Dama de Elche) is a once polychrome stone bust that was discovered by chance in 1897 at L'Alcúdia, an archaeological site on a private estate about two kilometers south of Elx/Elche, Valencia, Spain. The Lady of Elche is generally believed to be a piece of Iberian sculpture from the 4th century BC, though the artisanship suggests strong Hellenistic influences. According to The Encyclopedia of Religion, the Lady of Elche (Roman Illici), is conjectured as having a direct association with Tanit, the goddess of Carthage, that was worshiped by the Punic-Iberians.[

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QuoteThe originally polychrome bust is usually thought to represent a woman wearing a very complex headdress and big coils on each side of the face. The aperture in the rear of the sculpture indicates it may have been used as a funerary urn.

While it is a bust, there are proposals that it was part of a seated statue like the Lady of Baza or a standing one like the Gran Dama Oferente from Cerro de los Santos (Montealegre del Castillo, Albacete). The three figures and the Biche of Balazote are exhibited in the same hall in the National Archaeological Museum of Spain in Madrid.

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QuoteThe sculpture was found August 4, 1897 by a young worker, Manuel Campello Esclapez. This "popular" version of the story differs from the official report by Pere Ibarra (the local keeper of the records) which stated that it was Antonio Maciá who found the bust.

Pierre Paris, a French archaeological connoisseur, purchased the sculpture within a few weeks and shipped it to France, where it was shown at the Louvre Museum and hidden for safe-keeping during World War II.

The Vichy government negotiated with Franco's government its return to Spain in 1940–41, and on June 27, 1941 the sculpture was placed in Museo del Prado (Madrid), then moved to the National Archaeological Museum, where it remains.

The discovery of the Lady of Elche initiated a popular interest in pre-Roman Iberian culture. She appeared on a 1948 Spanish one-peseta banknote and was mentioned in William Gaddis's The Recognitions (1955).

The sculpture was temporarily on display from May 18 to November 1, 2006 at the Museo Arqueológico y de Historia de Elche, where it is now represented by a state of the art replica

QuoteClaim of forgery

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Color reconstruction by Francisco Vives

In 1995, John F. Moffitt, an art historian, published Art Forgery: The Case of the Lady of Elche, University Press of Florida, in which he contended that the statue was a forgery with similarities to Symbolist art of the Belle Époque. He put forth a speculation concerning the identity of the forger and commissioner, "a physician and resident surgeon in the town of Elche" who was "well informed about the current state of Iberian studies" and owned "the fertile archaeological site of La Alcúdia".

Experts in Spanish archaeology however, believe that the Lady of Elche is a genuine ancient Iberian work. Antonio Uriarte of the University of Madrid has stated, "Decade by decade, research has reinforced the coherence of the Lady within the corpus of Iberian sculpture. The Lady was found more than a century ago, and many of its features, not then understood, have been confirmed by subsequent finds. For example, the use of paint in Iberian sculpture was unknown when the Lady appeared." A CSIC study on the Lady of Elche's micropigmentation published in 2005 concluded that the trace pigments on the statue were consistent with ancient materials and that no modern pigments had been found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_of_Elche

GIANT STONE MAN of GUATEMALA
Report by Philip Coppens (RIP):

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QuoteSome archaeological findings appear and then soon afterwards disappear again, even though they generate tremendous interest at the time of their initial announcement. This was definitely the case for a gigantic stone head "somewhere in the jungle of Guatemala". One of the first people to speak about this Guatemalan stone head was Dr. Oscar Rafael Padilla Lara, in 1987. Padilla was a doctor of philosophy, as well as a lawyer and notary – though many seem to mainly define him as a man interested in UFOs. With this known interest in the mysterious, on August 16, 1986, he received a photograph of a monolith located somewhere in the jungles of Guatemala. The photograph was taken in the 1950s by the owner of the land where the huge stone sculpture was located, but as he had died, Padilla had been unable to determine the exact location.

The story was first printed in the Ancient Astronaut Society newsletter Ancient Skies, in 1987. The article included the important photograph that sat the centre of the controversy. For controversial it was. The stone head had very fine features: thin lips, a large sharp nose, leaving an overall Caucasian interpretation. They eyes of the head were closed, though if they were open, they would be looking towards the sky. Its size is enormous, at least 30 feet, as can be calculated from the three men sitting on top and the car parked in front of the statue.

Some initial questions were posed: was the structure just a head, or was there a body underneath? Though unlikely, it could be. If therefore most likely "just" a head, was there a rapport with the stone torsos of Easter Island?

Universe Explorers

Mystery as century-old Swiss watch discovered in ancient tomb sealed for 400 years

This one surfaced... from 2008. Never saw it before.

QuoteBy CHER THORNHILL
UPDATED: 11:34 EST, 18 December 2008

Archaeologists are stumped after finding a 100-year-old Swiss watch in an ancient tomb that was sealed more than 400 years ago.

They believed they were the first to visit the Ming dynasty grave in Shangsi, southern China, since its occupant's funeral.

But inside they uncovered a miniature watch in the shape of a ring marked 'Swiss' that is thought to be just a century old.

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Mystery: Archeologists have uncovered a 100-year-old watch in a tomb believed to have been undisturbed for 400 years

QuoteThe mysterious timepiece was encrusted in mud and rock and had stopped at 10:06 am.
Watches were not around at the time of the Ming Dynasty and Switzerland did not even exist as a country, an expert pointed out.

The archaeologists were filming a documentary with two journalists when they made the puzzling discovery.

'When we tried to remove the soil wrapped around the coffin, suddenly a piece of rock dropped off and hit the ground with metallic sound,' said Jiang Yanyu, former curator of the Guangxi Museum.

'We picked up the object, and found it was a ring.

'After removing the covering soil and examining it further, we were shocked to see it was a watch,' he added.

The Ming Dynasty - or the Empire of the Great Ming - was the was ruling dynasty in China from 1368 to 1644.

The Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1096959/Mystery-century-old-Swiss-watch-discovered-ancient-tomb-sealed-400-years.html)

Could these strange stone spheres represent atoms of prehistory?

Seems more and more Ooparts are appearing these days.... here is another one...

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Translated from Spanish...

QuoteNo one knows its origin, nor the people who made them, much less is known about its use. These strange artifacts are symmetrical in shape and made with a very sophisticated technique.

Actually, they seem to have a modern design, but they are not. They are, in fact, prehistoric objects of unknown origin that are found predominantly in Scotland, but also in parts of England and Ireland. [See also: The Roman dodecahedron ] Archaeologists believe that these mysterious carved stone spheres could be traced back to 4000 BC and are made ??of different materials, from sandstone to granite. Some though believe they are products of a joke, but if this were true, then why are kept in several museums including valuables? Most of the stones are of similar size with a diameter of 70mm, with the exception of a few large up to 114 mm in diameter. The number of "bumps" on the stones varies from 4 to 33 having some of the stones also including odd patterns spiral. The stone in the picture was found at Skara Brae in Orkney and dates back to 3400 - 2000 BC

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This carved stone ball is one of several carved stone objects found at Skara Brae in Orkney. It was an object of importance, and dates from between 3400 and 2000 BC The stone sphere is covered with 50 pyramid shaped protrusions.

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The most interesting areas were found at the Neolithic site of Skara Brae in Orkney, one of the most famous prehistoric sites, inhabited by about 600 years, between 2200 and 3200. C.. Could the people of this primitive settlement have had the technology to do this kind of stone carving.?

QuoteAnother famous stone is the Stone of Towie that was found on the Glass Hill in Aberdeenshire . Is 3 inches in diameter and contains three round surfaces in relief and each surface includes multiple spirals as symbols. This stone also dates back to 2500 - 1900 to. C..

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Towie Stone

QuoteThe five stones Ashmolean Museum are part of the collection of Sir John Evans that he thought were probably used during the wars along with a belt, as a kind of wave. However, such an explanation does not make sense because it found that a) the stones have zero damage, which would not be the case if it were launched during times of war and b) would require a lot of skill to make one of these stones to throw at the enemy.

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Five carved stone balls of Scotland

QuoteOther explanations include that were used as weights for fishing nets or had a ceremonial role giving the bearer the right to speak. But again using the stones as weight does not explain the reason for the complexity of them.

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QuoteBut there is another possible explanation. Could be models of atoms? Such representation of atoms has been widely used in our times as shown in the following example image. Is it possible that whoever did these objects had knowledge of chemistry and atomic structure could represent the different atoms?

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QuoteAt least, symmetric patterns in relief suggest that whoever did these objects had knowledge of geometry and may even have been able to represent the Platonic solids - regular polyhedra, convex where the faces are congruent regular polygons, with the same number of faces at each vertex. But in all these cases we know that during the Neolithic period so knowledge could not exist ... Do you? [See also: The Flower of Life  (http://conspiraciones1040.blogspot.com/2012/02/la-flor-de-la-vida.html)]

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Relating the stone spheres with the Platonic solids

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Stones found in other areas in Scotland

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Geometric patterns recorded in some areas

So ... Who made ??the cut stones?

QuoteIndependent researchers, engage in bold hypothesis, arguing that the devices can be connected to a very old Earth, but totally unknown to contemporary historiography. Researchers do not have the courage to say the word, but the reference is to the Atlantis, the legendary pre-Flood civilization destroyed by a cataclysm of global dimensions. One thing is certain: those who have produced these artifacts obviously must have been in possession of a highly advanced manufacturing technology.

SOURCE (http://conspiraciones1040.blogspot.com/2013/08/podrian-estas-extranas-piedras.html)

The lobed disc of Sakkara: An ancient technological artifact that could rewrite history

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Translated from Spanish

QuoteIn the first wing of the Egyptian Museum in Cairo between two rooms near the Mummies Room, one can not help but be surprised to see in a small display case - although not without some difficulties caused by the reflections of light on the glass that covers - a solitary object similar to a disk or stone wheel.

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This strange object is disturbing all the Egyptologists that have had occasion to study it carefully.

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Restoration of the object.

Quotehe object was found at Saqqara in January 1936 by the Egyptologist Brian Walter Emery , during the excavation of the tomb of Prince Sabu, son of Pharaoh Aneddzhiba, fifth king of the first dynasty of ancient Egypt), called "Star of Horus." The tomb, also known as the Mastaba of Sabu, is located on the edge of the Nile Delta, about 1.7 miles north of the Step Pyramid of Zoser . The burial chamber has no stairs and the superstructure was completely filled with jars of sand and stones, flint knives, arrows, some copper tools. But among all the objects found, which immediately attracted the attention of Emery's what initially designated "... container shale bowl shape ... ".

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Sabu Burial Chamber. Note that the object is close to the deceased. We watched for Sabu the object was of great importance in life and wanted to accompany him on his journey to the afterlife. Was it a high-tech device that ancient astronauts forgot in his time on earth and Sabu take it as a souvenir of your visit?

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QuoteThe strange thing is the material chosen by the producers to make the unknown artifact: the exquisite , which in modern petrology indicates a medium-grained metamorphic rock characterized by a markedly schistose texture, which tends to crumble easily into thin plates, what crisis would many contemporary artisans. thing is certain, and most surprising, is that the object appeared in early times in the history of Egypt, indicating a very sophisticated ability in shaping stone objects of this complexity . As is well known to all, the official position of Egyptology regarding the appearance and use of the wheel by the Egyptians, is very clear and leaves no room for doubt. The introduction of the wheel in Egypt they assure us, coincided with the invasion of the Hyksos from Asia at the end of the Middle Kingdom, in 1640 BC. So the question arises: If the disc is not an exquisite wheel or an incense burner, then what is? And how could a culture chisels work just as sensitive material to a high level of complexity? [See also: The ancient Egyptians used electric light ] In fact, while most archaeologists feel compelled to offer an opinion "realistic" disk usage, its futuristic design continues to confound those who have seen. In fact, it has provided a satisfactory explanation. Some, for example, believe that the disc serves only as a base to support an oil lamp. However, critics of this theory argue that the shape and curvature of the petals make this hypothesis unlikely. And then, why make a simple bracket so complex? Why not have found other?

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The enigmatic object currently on display in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo, is labeled "incense holder", although there is no evidence to support this claim.

INCENSE HOLDER? SERIOUSLY? DANG ARCHAEOLOGISTS  >:(

QuoteAccording to the typical view and expected ruling archaeologists and Egyptologists, this object is just a tray or the pedestal of a candelabrum, with a design of a product of chance. " structure with three strange cuts or curved blades , almost immediately suggests the use of this object in a liquid medium. This detail, together with the excellent hole in the center, we could also suspect that this object is only a small part of a more complex mechanism made ??with tools of unknown, and is saved for some unknown reason.

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Hand draft device used as a helix within a fluid. Could it have been the use?

QuoteBut ... what mechanisms existed 5,000 years ago in the Nile Valley? Any advanced technology expected? There are those who venture into the hypothesis that goes beyond the 'limit', fearing the possibility that we face some unknown ancient technology advanced enough. The Egyptologist Cyril Aldred concluded that the object can be a copy of a metal contraption much older, the memory of a remote event that particularly impressed them. ? On the other hand, because the ancient Egyptians have taken the trouble to build a complex object for over 5000 years? And why bother to waste time and develop the skills necessary to create a decorative object - unless needed for a specific purpose important? Since their discovery, the pyramids of Egypt, in the eyes of researchers Westerners, seemed to defy the technological and engineering of a culture so primitive. Now a growing number of scholars argue that the ancient Egyptians were equipped with much more advanced technological knowledge of what one might think, holding the possibility that ancient astronauts were in contact with the ancient inhabitants of our planet at the dawn of history. [See: Did ancient astronauts were mistaken for gods by our ancestors? ] Although this statement is absolutely denied by the modern scientific community, no one can deny that the Egyptians were able to achieve technological work, at least from what we know, that challenge the possibilities of the period during which their civilization flourished. official archeology While pulling our hair out trying to decipher the mystery, the strange artifact will still resting in the small waiting again showcase its maker utility for which it was created. ..

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SOURCE (http://conspiraciones1040.blogspot.com/2013/07/el-disco-trilobulado-de-sakkara-un.html)


The Mysterious Egyptian Tri-Lobed Disc

QuoteThis strange object has disturbed and continues disturbing all the Egyptologists that have had occasion to study it at great length. The first of them was its discoverer, Brian Walter Emery, one of the most important Egyptologists of 20th Century and the author of a classic volume on Egyptology, Archaic Egypt, that continues to be, after many years, an important bibliographical reference for the study and an understanding of the origins of the Old Egyptian Civilization.

QuoteMaking excavations in 1936, in the archaeological zone of Sakkara, he discovered the Tomb of Prince Sabu. He was the son of Adjuib Pharaoh, governor of the I Dynasty (3,000 B.C.).

Between utensils of funeral objects that were extracted, Emery?s attention was powerfully drawn by an object that he initially defined in his report on the Great Tombs of the I Dynasty as: "... a container in the form of schist bowl...".

Years later, in his previously mentioned work, Archaic Egypt, he commented on the object with a word that perfectly summarizes the reality of the situation and the discomfort the object causes; "cachibache" (a small hole that threatens to become a much larger hole)"...

A satisfactory explanation has not yet been obtained on the peculiar design of this object...".

This object is approximately 61 centimeters in diameter, and 10.6 centimeters in height in the center. It is made of schist, a very fragile and delicate rock, which requires very laborious carving.

Its form resembles that of a plate or a concave steering wheel of a car, with a series of three cuts or curved "shovels" that resemble the helix of a boat, and in the center, an orifice with a rim that acts as the outside receiver of some axis of a wheel or some other unknown mechanism, arranged to turn.

As it is well known by all, the official position maintained by Egyptology with respect to the appearance and use of the wheel on the part of the Egyptians, is very clear and leaves no room for doubt. The introduction of the wheel in Egypt they assure us, coincided with the invasion of the Hicsos at the end of the Medium Empire, in 1640 B.C.,

They used it, on among other things, their military chariots.

The question then is inevitable: if it is not a wheel, what is the strange object that appeared in the Tomb of Prince Sabu, 1,400 years before the invasion of the Hicsos?

In spite of the complexity of this problem, the subject has become even more serious as a result of the technical studies that a variety of investigators have made, impelled by the surprising and strange design of this device.

As well, the Egyptologist Cyril Aldred reached the conclusion that, independently of what the object was used for or what it represented, its design was without a doubt, a copy of a previous, much older metallic object.

In fact, this schist wheel appeared in Tomb of Prince Sabu, along with other strange copper objects, practically the only metal that the Egyptians then knew.

The doubt that has been plaguing us is wondering how the ancient Egyptians could design so delicate and complex a structural object more than 5,000 years ago.

A structure that in the case of the three strange cuts or curved shovels, induces one to think almost immediately about the use of this object in an average liquid.

This detail, next to the excellent orifice in the central part, makes us also suspect that this object is only a small part of a more complex mechanism, and that it was saved thanks to a stone reproduction for some unknown reason, made by an artist, with unknown tools.

But..., what mechanisms existed 5,000 years ago in the Valley of the Nile?

According to the typical and expected view of the archaeologists and pro-government Egyptologists, this object is no more than a tray or the pedestal of some candelabrum, with a design a product of blind chance".

Although by chance, this peculiar object closely mirrors the design of one of the pieces that Lockheed developed to be fitted hermetically within a full case of lubricant.

Be that as it may, this object found in a tomb of Sakkara with an age at a minimum of 5,000 years, continues to constitute one of the most perplexing Egyptian and ancient mysteries.. Translated from the Italian by s8int.com, Ciao! Source: EgiptoOculto

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The Roman Dodecahedron

Translated from Spanish

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Quote"Roman dodecahedron," a name given to a series of hollow objects made of bronze or stone, composed of twelve flat pentagonal faces, each with a size ranging from 4-11 inches with a circular hole in the center of 8 centimeters.

In the course of the years, there have been several different scenarios in an attempt to clarify what was its utility and meaning. So far, they have found more than 90 copies in one part of Europe, which belonged to the northwestern part of the Roman Empire. The circumstances in which the elements were found are confusing, but still with some certainty one could determine which were probably used from the first to the fourth century BC. ... But what are they? What was its purpose? And the mathematical form? What really is this object?

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Map where the objects were found. About 100 of these objects have been found, in England, in the north and in Hungary, in the east of Italy, with the highest number found in western Germany and France.

QuoteToday, in private collections and museums, there are about a hundred irregular cuboid. The mysterious artifacts have been found all over Europe: from Wales to Hungary, from Italy to Germany. The function and use of the Roman dodecahedron is still a mystery and all attempts to solve the riddle encuntran only a dead end, because it is not mentioned in any report, record, or Roman image.

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The Romans supposedly kept excellent records of what they did - and apparently have forgotten to mention these particular objects in their records, Is it because they did not?

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The function of these dodecahedron has not been determined.

QuoteThere are also those who submitted more exotic hypotheses. Considering the theory of Atlantis or ancient astronaut hypothesis , part one simple question: Does the mysterious dodecahedron was actually created and used by the Romans, and has been called "Roman" because it simply was found at sites that were once part of the Roman Empire? simplest hypothesis Sebastian Heath, a professor at the Institute for the Study of the Ancient World at New York University, in an article on Fox News for some time, admitted he had no clear idea what is the dodecahedron. From the inspiration of Heath, Fox News readers have postulated several hypotheses. Some people believe it is a simple bell and a chandelier. It has been suggested that, after heating, is used for massage. According to a reader, the dodecahedron could be a toy for children, or even just a decorative object. Prof. Heath was very impressed by the amount of cases, all potentially valid, but there is no clear conclusion. The Roman dodecahedron not mentioned in any ancient source, so the only way forward is to proceed by formulating hypotheses about its use. Archaeologists found these wax objects found inside some of these objects by postulating that their usefulness could have been that of a holder sailing. Cera was discovered inside one of the objects seems to add to the theory that it could have been a kind of candle holder. But why unconventional design for a simple device? Why the need to design a special order for a candle holder? military Hypothesis A recent hypothesis proposed by John Ladd, a retired engineer, who claims that the dodecahedron was used by the Romans to define the optimum geometry of their weapons. Ladd said dodecahedron was immersed in a fluid, in order to improve the design and manufacture of projectiles for slings.

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As projectile for deep

QuoteAccording to the theory of the engineer, through the impetus of Archimedes, the Romans were able to determine the deviation of the trajectory of the bullets. The entire theory with sketches and drawings, is presented in romansystemsengineering . It must be said, however, not always the irregular cuboid found on military sites or battlefields. The hypothesis does not take into account that the objects are also simple dwellings near. Hypothesis Engineering Sparavigna Amelia Carolina, Department of applied science and technology at the Polytechnic University of Turin, in an article has suggested that the dodecahedron was used as a tool to measure distances, especially for detection for military purposes.

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As distance meter

QuoteThe article that explains the principles of geometrical optics behind this hypothesis can be found in arxiv and the site of the Polytechnic University of Turin . Hypothesis astronomical Although historiography had a great passion for the Romans , of celestial movements and astronomical observation. In 2010 sJRA Wagemans, DSM Research, proposed a new theory that assigns an astronomical function to these objects. Wagemans use a bronze copy of a dodecahedron to see if it was possible to determine the spring and fall equinoxes. According Wagemans, the dodecahedron is an object related to the agricultural cycle, sophisticated and simple at the same time. Was used to determine without a calendar, the most appropriate period in the fall for planting cereals.

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The dodecahedron as astronomical measuring instrument to determine the optimum planting date of winter cereals.

QuoteAnd to have a good harvest was of vital importance to the Roman legions in distant Rome. What is remarkable is that Wagemans has used an experimental approach, testing the device over a period of several years and in different places at different latitudes. Hypothesis Exotica As we have seen, there are many assumptions and not easy to follow a single track . Other hypotheses have been proposed also by the ancient astronaut theory , according to which the dodecahedron is what remains of a technological tool more complex. A technology that have served their purpose simply discarded - as happens with our technology - being watered at the places where they were used. Perhaps the inhabitants of ancient Rome, by a twist of fate, they met These objects, dating back to the distant past and that were received by the following Roman cultures that not finding a better utility, used it as a candle holder. Independent researchers have raised the idea that the dodecahedron represent a sacred symbol for Druids , ancient priests who encouraged the worship of the ancient gods who once inhabited the planet. [See also: Genetic engineering in antiquity (http://conspiraciones1040.blogspot.com/2013/05/ingenieria-genetica-en-la-antiguedad.html#.UaQp7_KQBQU) ]

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Mayan Rocket Pack?

No info on this one yet... just holding

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Does The Ingá Stone Contain A Coded Message From An Alien Civilization?
An Intriguing Mystery Of The Past

QuoteIt's covered with mysterious ancient signs and remarkable engravings of geometric shapes.

Who made these astonishing drawings? There have been a lot of speculations about the origin of these intriguing markings, but so far no-one has been able to solve the mystery of the Inga Stone.

Various theories have been presented. Some said the signs were carved by ancient Indian cultures. Others suggested it was done by an unknown ancient civlization that visited this region in the past. There are also those who think the carvings were made by extraterrestrials.

Some have wonder if the mysterious Ingá stone contain a coded message from an alien civilization living on a remote planet.

The Ingá stone is one of the largest and most impressive Brazilian archaeological monuments.
It is a huge monolith located in the state of Paraíba, Brazil.

It consists of a rock formation in gneiss. Here we find a set of stones, where there are applications, whose translation is unknown.

Various sources have been identified, and there are many who argue that the Stone of Inga has Phoenician origin, but this has not been confirmed.

The archaeological site of Inga Stone is a set full of intriguing rock inscriptions, extraordinarily complex, produced in low relief widely over a rocky cliff of 46m long by 3.8 m high, rising upon a pavement of the creek blunderbuss, the city of Inga.

The inscriptions, which occupy 15m long by 2.3 m high in the wall, we present esmeras with many mixed signals, making an amazing system of signs that were recorded by a past that unknown grooves broad, deep and very well polished.

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The Ingá Stone contains mysterious signs we cannot understand. Image credit: Adrovando Claro

QuoteAccording to Brazilian researcher Gabriele Baraldi, who has spent considerable time studying these inscriptions, the drawings and pictures show proof of unknown ancient technology.

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QuoteIn 1988 researcher Baraldi discovered his first Inga cave. Since then, he has come across many more intriguing caves in the region. Baraldi says there are about 497 signals written on the sculptures on all cave walls.

The caves measure 24 meters in length, 3 meters in height, and 3 meters in depth. Furthermore, he says that the writings are upside down to confuse us, and that the signs are coded.

Baraldi thinks that the inscriptions should be considered as evidence of an old American continent inhabited by an unknown civilization.

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A close-up of some of the signs. Image credit: Baraldi

QuoteHe has compared the shape and size of the drawings with Mesopotamian drawings, which seem to be very similar. Analyses of the writings indicate that they consist of a table of contents and each symbol can be identified as a number.

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The Ingá Stone is just as ingtriguing as mysterious. Image credit: Adrovando Claro

The details written on this entire wall consist of stories of a remote era, with a variety of symbols imprinted as if the creators were sharing their life stories telling us about their civilization and their world. This could be a book written on a wall.

Who were these beings? Were did they come from? What were they trying to tell us? Did they leave a message for future generations?

Unfortunately, when it comes to the enigmatic Ingá Stone, we are left with more questions than answers.

In order to learn the truth, we must decode this script and then the secrets of the past will be revealed.

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The Instanbul rocket ship ,currently located in the Istanbul Archaeology Museum in Turkey

This is one I just ran into today...

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Now one of the comments on that artifact says;

Baykar Sepoyan
It's been chemically tested and proven to be a fake. It was produced in a mold 25 years ago, and is made of plaster and ground marble.

I asked him for a link to that proof but no reply so far.  Its like you said Dood, the old stuff before all the hoaxing and fakery is better, though they did do some of that in Ancient times too ;)

Anyway this one was reposted by Robert S Thomas

A few days ago on FB Robert posted an offer for a free copy of his new book and I happened to be at the right place at the right time :D  So I am going to do a thread on his work. Seems his research is right up our alley as it were.

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UPDATE

There has been much fuss made to debunk this item, pages and pages of everything from being a casting 25 years old to outright hoax. Yet the solution is really so very simple. Just stand it up on it's end and you can see easily what it really is.

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A marching  HITTITE Warrior with his traditional cone hat, beard, shield and the typical skirt they wore. Several of them can be seen in this mural below...

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Surprized no one did this before. :P I have seen the turn it the other way to make it an Alien  but it is so simple in this case :D