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The Living Moon => Anomalies on the Moon => Topic started by: stealthyaroura on July 03, 2013, 11:31:05 PM

Title: artifacts?
Post by: stealthyaroura on July 03, 2013, 11:31:05 PM
I don't have the software or expertise like some of the member when it comes to the moon pics.
Anyone see any odd objects? possible NON lunar technology. I see symmetrical shapes around
the edge of the crater and there looks to be some oddities inside the crater itself.
scale? anyone care to have a go? SGT ROCK?
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Credit: NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University. This image shows a bench crater in the lunar mare. Bench craters are so called because they have a small bench lining the interior of the crater wall. This image was released June 5, 2013.

(http://i.space.com/images/i/000/030/075/original/lroc-8.jpg)
Title: Re: artifacts?
Post by: ArMaP on July 04, 2013, 12:38:25 AM
Quote from: stealthyaroura on July 03, 2013, 11:31:05 PM
I don't have the software or expertise like some of the member when it comes to the moon pics.
Anyone see any odd objects? possible NON lunar technology. I see symmetrical shapes around
the edge of the crater and there looks to be some oddities inside the crater itself.
scale? anyone care to have a go? SGT ROCK?
(http://i.space.com/images/i/000/030/075/original/lroc-8.jpg)
After a first look, I don't see anything strange, but it's hard to be sure, as the rocks (?) on the crater are overexposed. I will see if I can get a better version of the photo, but I doubt it, as it's a recent photo.

As for scale, they say that's a 160 metres wide crater.
Title: Re: artifacts?
Post by: stealthyaroura on July 04, 2013, 01:48:49 AM
Thanks ArMaP right up your street this.
can you recommend any program I could download as a tool to zoom and rotate and overlay/outline bits? what do people use here on peggy? any examples? I have never had a go but would like use such a program.
Title: Re: artifacts?
Post by: ArMaP on July 04, 2013, 02:04:05 AM
Photoshop is the best all round program for working with images (it even opens the IMG format used by the Planetary Data System), but Gimp (http://www.gimp.org/) is also good and free (besides being open source).

I don't remember if the PDS images from LROC are also available in 16 bits TIFF files, if they are then, if I'm not mistaken, Gimp cannot be used, as it doesn't open 16 bits TIFF files.
(I may be wrong in what I said above, but it's too late for me to check it now)

If you have Linux you can also try to download the ISIS suite for working with IMG and CUB files. :)
Title: Re: artifacts?
Post by: zorgon on July 04, 2013, 04:13:00 AM
Sharp long pointy shadows

Like Lunar Orbiter

...not rounded hills like Apollo and Kaygua  :P


The Shadow Knows...

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/Vault/Pointy_001.png)
Title: Re: artifacts?
Post by: stealthyaroura on July 04, 2013, 04:36:05 AM
its 4:30 am i have to sleep but THAT is the item I was on about out of the crater zorgon ;)
Thanks ArMaP I will take a look at those programmes tomorrow(today :o) later.

I be back thanks all.
Title: Re: artifacts?
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on July 04, 2013, 05:28:15 AM
I downloaded the original tiff file, M162447033R.tif

Image Data
Time   (DOY:162) 2011-06-11T15:56:05
Orbit   9074
Center Longitude   339.490°
Center Latitude   30.252°
Resolution   0.666666 m/pixel
Mode   Native
Download Supporting File   M162447033R.tif
Caption:
NAC frame in central Mare Imbrium near McDonald crater. Image width is ~1.9 km.

[NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University].

Here is the description:

Bench craters are so called because they have a small bench lining the interior of the crater wall. In fact, this bench is interpreted to be the contact between the bottom of the regolith (soil) and the basaltic bedrock below. The regolith is a layer of brecciated material that develops as a result of micrometeorite bombardment, it consists mostly of a fine powder containing numerous angular fragments. The regolith and the coherent basalt both have different strengths, with the regolith being easier to displace than the underlying basalt during an impact event. The result of a moderate impact (in this case one that produced a 160 m diameter crater) into this area then gave us a spectacular view of the local stratigraphy.


I didn't see anything that jumps out at you. There were a couple of areas that looked interesting that I hi-lighted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5i-kptJKPA

Cropped:
(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/Regolith-3_zpsc77b53b9.jpg) (http://s1135.photobucket.com/user/Sgt_Rocknroll/media/Regolith-3_zpsc77b53b9.jpg.html)

Different angles.

(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/Regolith-1_zpsb33f0a88.jpg) (http://s1135.photobucket.com/user/Sgt_Rocknroll/media/Regolith-1_zpsb33f0a88.jpg.html)

(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/Sgt_Rocknroll/Regolith-2_zps27286764.jpg) (http://s1135.photobucket.com/user/Sgt_Rocknroll/media/Regolith-2_zps27286764.jpg.html)

Title: Re: artifacts?
Post by: A51Watcher on July 04, 2013, 06:33:47 AM



Great presentation Sarge.

Well done!


Title: Re: artifacts?
Post by: stealthyaroura on July 04, 2013, 01:37:40 PM
Thanks for that SGT that was the stuff in question. I pulled the picture off whilst looking at
china's chang'e-2 site that MR john lear has on lock down.
Hmmm wonder what he's pawing over ::)
I may be offline for a short while due to unforeseen circumstance so i'm not being ignorant if I don't reply.
In the words of arnie "i'll be back"
Title: Re: artifacts?
Post by: deuem on July 04, 2013, 02:47:16 PM
From your original photo

(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/Irocgif.gif) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/Irocgif.gif.html)

Very hard to do gray scale photos
Title: Re: artifacts?
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on July 04, 2013, 02:53:32 PM
Can you assign colors in your process? Maybe a color for each 'layer'?..just guessing...
Title: Re: artifacts?
Post by: Sgt.Rocknroll on July 04, 2013, 03:28:32 PM
Quote from: A51Watcher on July 04, 2013, 06:33:47 AM


Great presentation Sarge.

Well done!

Thanks but you're being too kind. Did this in about 15 min.s'..Just didn't have the time to really go after it, but wanted to put something up. You're stuff is amazing btw. I did check out the link on the Grand Voyage thread...too much reading.. ;D..I'll be awhile :o...Again beautiful  work!
Title: Re: artifacts?
Post by: deuem on July 04, 2013, 03:47:24 PM
blue
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/blue.jpg) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/blue.jpg.html)


red
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/red.jpg) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/red.jpg.html)


green
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/green.jpg) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/green.jpg.html)
Title: Re: artifacts?
Post by: ArMaP on July 05, 2013, 12:36:40 AM
Neither the TIFF or the IMG are 16 bit files.

This is from the IMG file, with the levels adjusted (with no loss of shades of grey) to make that area more visible, as the image posted on the LROC site had, as usual, some kind of "auto levels" applied to the whole image, and that makes the image worse in the darker and brighter areas.

(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4052/pf01.png)

Long shadows are normal when the Sun is just 12º above the horizon.