Wake if you can, its a long hard dreamers disease they have you under.
I was WOW'd by the headlines on this one till I took an intense look and realized this is another made for TV scripted story washing down your brain.
I know some of you will be to shocked to see the fakery of facts as they laid them out with sensational type set lines of horror ran together to obscure your critical thinking into falling on the hype of smoke and mirror imagery fueling the emotional reaction to gasp and play this in your mind, as its just to horrible to imagine as fakery cause there it is, in all its blazing color.
Go ahead, look at the props and read the story line. Then come back and bash me for being a monster shaking you from your drip fed smeared reality pasted in your mind by mini-true.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2357502/San-Francisco-plane-crash-Two-dead-tail-snaps-Boeing-777.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2357502/San-Francisco-plane-crash-Two-dead-tail-snaps-Boeing-777.html)
Gigas
sorry to ask but could you be more specific in what you are trying to point out..cause i must have missed it
yeah been seeing the story everywhere
WHAT WENT WRONG?
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Investigators Probe Crash... Airline Denies Mechanical Failure...
Official: Possible Pilot Error Investigated... Black Boxes Found...
Victims Identified: 16-Year-Old Students...
5 In Critical Condition...
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SFO Plane Crash Cause Investigated By FAA, NTSB
Reuters | Posted: 07/07/2013 9:36 am EDT | Updated: 07/07/2013 1:07 pm EDT
By Sarah McBride
SAN FRANCISCO, July 7 (Reuters) - U.S. officials examined flight information recorders and began investigating the crash of an Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 that burst into flames upon landing in San Francisco, killing two teenaged Chinese students and injuring more than 180 people, officials said on Sunday.
There was no immediate indication of the cause of Saturday's accident but Asiana said mechanical failure did not appear to be a factor. The airline declined to blame either the pilot or the San Francisco control tower.
Eric Weiss, a spokesman for the National Transportation Safety Board, said the plane's "black boxes" - the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder - had been recovered and were sent to Washington for analysis. The Federal Aviation Administration also was investigating and Asiana Airlines said on Sunday that Korean accident investigators were on their way to San Francisco.
NTSB Chairman Deborah Hersman said on Sunday there was no indication of a criminal act but it was too early to determine what went wrong.
"Everything is still on the table," she said on NBC's "Meet the Press."
Investigators in coming days will interview the pilots and look at data from the black boxes, radar equipment and other information to determine the cause of the crash, she said in an interview on CNN's "State of the Union."
"It's really important to put all of the pieces of the puzzle together," Hersman said.
The plane was coming in from Seoul when witnesses said its tail appeared to hit the approach area of a runway that juts into San Francisco Bay. One witness said the plane appeared to be coming in too low and too fast.
The impact knocked off the plane's tail and the aircraft appeared to bounce violently, scattering a trail of debris before coming to rest on the tarmac.
SERIOUS INTERIOR DAMAGE
Pictures taken by survivors showed passengers hurrying away from the wrecked plane. Thick smoke billowed from the fuselage and TV footage later showed the aircraft gutted and blackened by fire. Much of its roof was gone.
Interior damage to the plane also was extreme, Hersman said on CNN.
"You can see the devastation from the outside of the aircraft, the burn-through, the damage to the external fuselage," she said. "But what you can't see is the damage internally. That is really striking."
The dead were identified as Ye Meng Yuan and Wang Lin Jia, both 16-year-old girls and described as Chinese nationals who are students, Asiana Airlines said. They had been seated at the rear of the aircraft, according to government officials in Seoul and Asiana.
The crash was the first fatal accident involving the Boeing 777, a popular long-range jet that has been in service since 1995. It was the first fatal commercial airline accident in the United States since a regional plane operated by Colgan Air crashed in New York in 2009.
"For now, we acknowledge that there were no problems caused by the 777-200 plane or (its) engines," Yoon Young-doo, the president and CEO of the airline, told reporters on Sunday at the company headquarters on the outskirts of Seoul.
Asiana on Sunday said the flight, which had originated in Shanghai, had carried 291 passengers and 16 crew members. The passengers included 141 Chinese, 77 South Koreans, 64 U.S. citizens, three Indians, three Canadians, one French, one Vietnamese and one Japanese citizen.
Dale Carnes, assistant deputy chief of the San Francisco Fire Department, said 49 people were hospitalized with serious injuries. Another 132 suffered moderate and minor injuries.
Five people were in critical condition at San Francisco General Hospital, according to spokeswoman Rachael Kagan. She said a total of 52 people were treated for burns, fractures and internal injuries. Three people were critical at Stanford Hospital.
TOO LOW, TOO FAST
Survivor Benjamin Levy told a local NBC station he believed the Asiana plane had been coming in too low.
"I know the airport pretty well, so I realized the guy was a bit too low, too fast, and somehow he was not going to hit the runway on time, so he was too low ... he put some gas and tried to go up again," he said in a telephone interview.
"But it was too late, so we hit the runway pretty bad, and then we started going up in the air again, and then landed again, pretty hard."
Levy said he opened an emergency door and ushered people out. "We got pretty much everyone in the back section of the plane out," he said. "When we got out there was some smoke. There was no fire then. The fire came afterward."
Vedpal Singh, a native of India, was on board the flight along with his wife and son when the aircraft struck the landing strip.
"Your instincts take over. You don't know what's going on," said Singh, who had his arm in a sling as he walked through the airport's international terminal and told reporters he had suffered a fractured collar bone.
Asiana, South Korea's junior carrier, has had two other fatal crashes in its 25-year history.
A senior Asiana official said the pilot was Lee Jeong-min, a veteran pilot who has spent his career with the airline. He was among four pilots on the plane who rotated on two-person shifts during the 10-hour flight, the official said.
A San Francisco airport spokesman said that a component of the facility's instrument landing system that tracks an incoming airplane's glide path was not working on Saturday.
Pilots and air safety experts said the glide path technology was far from essential for a safe landing in good weather.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/07/sfo-crash-cause_n_3557427.html
Ya sure, you don't see any skid marks in the dirt. You do see alot of tire tracks from vehicles but nothing indicating that jet slide to that location. Looks like it was dropped on the ground.
The other point is, the wings should be folded up or torn off and jet fuel spilled and burned. Instead, you see none of that and shown the cabin burned out ONLY.
Notice no gobs of fire foam filling the entire area where the jet lays. No slide marks of the engine busted off, no markings at all of a jet sliding to a stop.
Notice the first image of the jet and black smoke rising. The smoke is coming from oil set ablaze behind the jet cabin perhaps 50 feet or more.
ITS ALL FAKE
???????
Fake? To what end? And fake how? Did they fly the plane there and wreck it deliberately?
well i guess we all believe what we want..but just becasue you didn't see the pictures you think of as proof doesn't mean it didn't happen..imo
just sayin
if all of these events that folk on line want to call fake then all i have to say is the hologram program is a huge success
but i also need to ask you..what would be the point of this being a fake..?
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2013/7/6/jet_liner_crashes_at.html
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The plane may have hit the edge of the runway, as evidenced by the amount of debris that littered the runway, according to one official.
sorry didn't copy the link for this one
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Three to consider as to how it turned out splashed across the pages of the internet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cb9vcpbSX0k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3syTxW85Ik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W--dC5kuQ8Q
Quote from: Eighthman on July 07, 2013, 08:24:14 PM
???????
Fake? To what end? And fake how? Did they fly the plane there and wreck it deliberately?
You tell me. Show us the skid marks in the dirt and other signs a plane skidded to a halt and why just the cabin went ablaze when the fuel is stored in the wings where the fire should be.
Now, this is rather odd how a fire rages somewhere way behind this photo of the fuselage unburned but something is ablaze way back there as we see mucho black smoke but no flames.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/07/article-2357502-1AB1654A000005DC-143_964x710.jpg)
Does that look like the top of the cabin ablaze or something burning way back yonder.
well as you can see here the engine on the off side was on fire which would explain the cloud of smoke first seen..imo
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This aerial photo shows the wreckage of the Asiana Flight 214 airplane after it crashed at the San Francisco International Airport in San Francisco, Saturday, July 6, 2013. (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez)
http://www.koin.com/2013/07/06/large-plane-crashes-at-san-francisco-international-airport/
QuoteAs the plane approached the runway from the waters of San Francisco Bay around noon, travelers in the terminals and others eyewitnesses could see that the aircraft was swaying unusually from side to side and that at one point the tail seemed to hit the ground.
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http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/Jul/06/asiana-airlines-plane-crash-san-francisco/
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Quote"This is a work in progress," she said, adding the investigation has been turned over to the FBI and that terrorism has been ruled out. She said at least 48 people were initially transported from the scene to area hospitals.
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A Google Marketing Exec Took Some Dramatic Early Pictures Of The S.F. Plane Crash
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/krista-seidens-pictures-of-the-san-francisco-asiana-plane-crash-2013-7?op=1#ixzz2YOMYzN9q
see her pictures here
http://www.businessinsider.com/krista-seidens-pictures-of-the-san-francisco-asiana-plane-crash-2013-7#seiden-was-waiting-for-her-flight-to-phoenix-when-she-looked-out-the-window-she-tweeted-omg-a-plane-just-crashed-at-sfo-on-landing-as-im-boarding-my-plane-she-later-added-9news-pkgm-yes-plane-came-down-and-hit-on-its-belly-immediately-enveloped-on-smoke-pic-taken-15-sec-after-crash-1
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the hardest thing to change is someone's mind and if you are convinced this is fake i'm sure you will have some company..but there are a whole lot of folks who are witnesses who would not agree
i think your theory on this one will be a pretty hard sell
http://www.legitgov.org/Crash-survivor-says-everyone-plane-had-be-interviewed-FBI-they-could-be-allowed-leave
You may be onto something. Godawful Productions has two or more odd reports about police stopping interviews and a guy who claims his website post was removed about this incident.
The explosion at the top of the plane might be from a bomb in the overhead luggage compartment.
Motive? It's South Korean so maybe this is North Korean terror - or a false flag directed against them.
Any other ideas?
Apparently, this is a video of the crash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMGqwucjA6M
Quote from: sky otter on July 07, 2013, 08:26:45 PM
well i guess we all believe what we want..but just becasue you didn't see the pictures you think of as proof doesn't mean it didn't happen..imo
just sayin
if all of these events that folk on line want to call fake then all i have to say is the hologram program is a huge success
but i also need to ask you..what would be the point of this being a fake..?
Well I do understand your point and I would have agreed with you until I learned the Boston marathon bomb drill was real.
But I can see why people think there is a problem with this one. Compare the teo images together I see a lot of issues ;)
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In the top picture:
1)the people are simply strolling around taking pictures as if it was no big deal. There is no panic, no running, no one worried the plane might explode (which happens when fire and airplane fuel mix :P) No panic just calm meandering some carrying their bags
2)there are NO rescue vehicles and personal at the scene... what took them so long to get there?
3) the front door in top picture has a slide but in the bottom picture it is a stairway (this could have been changed later)
4) No holes in the top
5) That smoke is definitely behind the plane, not coming from the top... possibly an engine on the hidden wing, but that smoke is not from the fuselage
So is it faked or real? Don't know what is going on but those two images tell two different stories
go to link for vocal recording of interchange of plane and tower.
it's not that i don't think we are being played..it's just that i don't see the reason behind it
and at this point it is all up in the air
aomewhere i say the written exchange - i'll try to find it.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/06/emergency-vehicles-are-responding-air-traffic-radio-documents-777-crash-landing-at-san-francisco-intl-airport/
'Emergency Vehicles Are Responding': Listen to Air-Traffic Controllers React to S.F. Crash Landing
Jul. 6, 2013 5:16pm Dave Urbanski
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332700 10Listen to air traffic controllers communicating before and after Asiana Airlines Flight 214 from Seoul, South Korea, crashed while landing at San Francisco International Airport on Saturday:
For about the first 45 seconds it's sounds like a regular daylight shift at air-traffic control; then at about the :50 mark, it's apparent something is wrong as the tone of the chatter shifts.
At the 1-minute mark, the controller says: "214...emergency vehicles are responding."
The controller's speech quickens considerably as he deals with the emergency crews, communicating with Flight 214, and planes still in the air.
At about the 1:55 mark, he messages the crash-landed flight again: "Asiana 214...emergency vehicles are responding...we have everyone on their way."
Passengers were forced to jump down emergency inflatable slides to safety. Local television station KCRA-TV reported there were two deaths, but that was not immediately confirmed. It was not immediately known whether there were any other injuries.
According to Fox News, the plane was carrying 291 passengers.
Photo credit: David Eun via path.com
The Associated Press contributed to this story.
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/nowthisnews/we-see-people-alive-and-walking-around-audio-749g
"We See People... Alive And Walking Around:" Audio From Flight 214 Crash
Listen to audio of the crew of Flight 214, the Asiana Airlines flight that crash landed on Saturday afternoon at San Francisco Airport.
posted on July 6, 2013 at 6:11pm EDT
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Video footage from Chopper 5 showed the top of the fuselage was burned away and the entire tail was gone. One of the two engines appeared to have broken away. Pieces of the tail were strewn about the runway. Emergency responders could be seen walking inside the burned-out wreckage
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/07/06/plane-crash-at-sfo/
Possible cause ?
The aircraft may have suffered what is known as "Wind Shear".
John Lear may have some thoughts on this ?
I am certainly no expert. :(
I understand "Wind Shear", often occurs over sea water, near land masses.
So an aircraft looses altitude rapidly, through lack of lift, in such conditions.
Sometimes experienced near Wellington airport in NZ, so aircraft now come in at
a stepper decent.
In this video, we see the aircraft
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMGqwucjA6M
contact the water then tries to lift.
This is where the aircraft possibly started bouncing, (on the water) as reported
by some. (Passengers)
Contacting the "Seawall" (with the tail section) may have caused the aircraft to lift, (Bounce)
until it contacted the ground where it stopped.
As for the two photos of the air craft, re openings in the aircraft; The fire may
have stared internally at 1st, then (People walking away from the aircraft but notice
NO fire trucks etc.) by the time most were clear of the wreckage, then the fire
involved a smoke explosion or combustible gasses from the upholstery in the cabin.
Quote from: sky otter on July 07, 2013, 11:22:26 PM
go to link for vocal recording of interchange of plane and tower.
it's not that i don't think we are being played..it's just that i don't see the reason behind it
and at this point it is all up in the air
I agree All those news reports, the shootings, the bomb, this plane... your right it really makes no sense as a false flag thing.
Problem is there are too many weird things going on in photos that make people say "Dunno fer sure... but SOMETHING is wrong with this..."
Then we get to play detective and see if we can find out what.
I still have in my head those first photos of Pennsylvania during 9/11 where that huge plane just vanished. I don't care what they say, an airplane that size does not just disappear (or vaporize) into a small hole entirely and leave no trace save a single engine that was most likely in the scoop when they dug
Here is that picture...
DUH GEE GEORGE WHERE DID IT GO??? HUH???(http://911review.org/93/shanksville-1.JPG)
First Responders - The Local Volunteer Firemen(http://nomoretyranny.org/gallery/gallery3-4.jpg)
I swear anyone that can buy THAT garbage and look me in the eye and say "Yeah that was a plane crash.." deserves everything the PTB dishes out :P
But what does it matter? save for a few conspiracy nuts digging for real answers, the rest of the sheep will either follow the official version without question, OR make up some really weird hair brained version and Tweet it :P
But yeah the question remains
WHY
In the first(ground level) photo, it appears what ever is burning is beside the plane; the opposite side view shows a partially burnt engine nacelle lying in front of the wing next to the fuselage, possibly the source of the smoke in photo 1;
as for the steps visible at the nose in the second photo I would surmise that emergency crews probably placed those there to have access to the control cabin;
as for the people shown on the ground after the crash, remember it is a still photo, they have been in a crash, and quite possibly between the shock and who knows what injuries they might not have been able to run...
seeker
Z
you really don't want to get me started on that topic
you are opening an entirely different can of worms with the 911 shooting down of that plane
that's only a couple of hours from me..and they have turned it into a shrine..total waste of space and tons of money poured in..
The proposed boundaries of the National Memorial extend from Lambertsville Road to U.S. Route 30. It will be about 2,200 acres (890 ha), of which about 1,000 acres (400 ha) will be privately held, but protected through partnership agreements. The memorial itself would be a 400-acre (160 ha) bowl-shaped area, with 1,800 acres (730 ha) surrounding as a buffer.[8] In December 2002, landowner Tim Lambert donated 6 acres (2.4 ha) at the crash site, and entered discussions with the Conservation Fund regarding 160 acres (65 ha) additional.[9] Using some funds donated from receipts for the film United 93, the Families of Flight 93 organization purchased 3 acres (1.2 ha) in the summer of 2006. The organization is also seeking $10 million in federal funding to use for acquiring land.[8] In November 2006, the Conservation Fund acquired 100 acres (40 ha) as buffer land which are to be managed by the Pennsylvania Game Commission.[10] PBS Coals Inc. sold 900 acres (360 ha) to the families' organization in March 2008.[11]..
but
one of my theories is it give free and unquestioned access to the military, as it is now a huge national park,
the military already have a very heavy presents in that area..
i know you have heard of raven rock and guess what - not far from there is chestnut ridge..where sooooo many bigfoot sightings take place..
lots of money and private compounds - lots of rich folk up in chestnut ridge..it was a favorite place ( and still might be) of that vp who shot his friend....private hunting and that stuff
the whole area is honeycombed with mines and tunnels..well actually most of western pa is
so ..deep breath..sorry i get going on that one
anyway.. with this latest thing...the Why is still my primary question in the conspriacy thing
not saying it is or isn't..just What would be the point of making it up...tell me that and we can go from there
and if you have ever been present in any accident situations you know that photos and stories
can vary and sometimes not fit ...so there is that to consider
sigh
whatever
::)
When this story first broke with photos, They had a view from overhead and the scene had no smoke and no fire, no scorching and no cabin damage. The scene was staged. Photos and narrative further on began the fakery of a cabin fire and a burned out cabin.
There is no indication in all that dirt of a several hundred thousand pound piece of machinery sliding across the ground let along spinning as one witness claimed.
Look at the staged scene where the foam truck spilled a minor spray of foam as if the foam operator turned on the spray to test it and shut it off right away. That fuselage should be covered in foam and so should the ground. Another thing, why is the ground not saturated and discolored with dampness from spray foam.
This thing does not ad right rightly cause its staged, a fakery for TV as a distraction to something new coming our way.
Quote from: sky otter on July 08, 2013, 02:16:53 AM
one of my theories is it give free and unquestioned access to the military, as it is now a huge national park,
the military already have a very heavy presents in that area..
i know you have heard of raven rock and guess what - not far from there is chestnut ridge..where sooooo many bigfoot sightings take place..
lots of money and private compounds - lots of rich folk up in chestnut ridge..it was a favorite place ( and still might be) of that vp who shot his friend....private hunting and that stuff
the whole area is honeycombed with mines and tunnels..well actually most of western pa is
so ..deep breath..
sigh
whatever
::)
Since your right on top a that, can you recall any missing people or kids in that general area.
They just slipped a laughable explanation into the story. The pilot was in training with 43 hours behind the controls of the 777.
Any pilots flying commercial want to weigh in on that absurdity
Quote from: zorgon on July 07, 2013, 10:50:03 PM
Well I do understand your point and I would have agreed with you until I learned the Boston marathon bomb drill was real.
But I can see why people think there is a problem with this one. Compare the teo images together I see a lot of issues ;)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/Vault/Plane02.png)
In the top picture:
1)the people are simply strolling around taking pictures as if it was no big deal. There is no panic, no running, no one worried the plane might explode (which happens when fire and airplane fuel mix :P) No panic just calm meandering some carrying their bags
2)there are NO rescue vehicles and personal at the scene... what took them so long to get there?
3) the front door in top picture has a slide but in the bottom picture it is a stairway (this could have been changed later)
4) No holes in the top
5) That smoke is definitely behind the plane, not coming from the top... possibly an engine on the hidden wing, but that smoke is not from the fuselage
So is it faked or real? Don't know what is going on but those two images tell two different stories
Look in the cock pit window, why is the pilot still sitting in there and not outside directing people to run, get away, there maybe a fire or tank explosion. People are milling around, nothing serious, just standing near the plane like a photo shoot opportunity stage. I posted a video of a crash landing and the pilot jumped out his flight window to the ground as we have seen others do the same.
Notice also the small amount of foam under the WING of the second pic as if hey, nothing.
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on July 08, 2013, 12:38:04 AM
Possible cause ?
The aircraft may have suffered what is known as "Wind Shear".
John Lear may have some thoughts on this ?
I am certainly no expert. :(
I understand "Wind Shear", often occurs over sea water, near land masses.
So an aircraft looses altitude rapidly, through lack of lift, in such conditions.
Sometimes experienced near Wellington airport in NZ, so aircraft now come in at
a stepper decent.
In this video, we see the aircraft
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMGqwucjA6M
contact the water then tries to lift.
This is where the aircraft possibly started bouncing, (on the water) as reported
by some. (Passengers)
Contacting the "Seawall" (with the tail section) may have caused the aircraft to lift, (Bounce)
until it contacted the ground where it stopped.
As for the two photos of the air craft, re openings in the aircraft; The fire may
have stared internally at 1st, then (People walking away from the aircraft but notice
NO fire trucks etc.) by the time most were clear of the wreckage, then the fire
involved a smoke explosion or combustible gasses from the upholstery in the cabin.
OMG, that looks cool but not the plane we are being shown. For instance, did you take that in where the plane rises up very noticeably and slams down. Yet the images we are shown, show the forward fuselage intact, after slamming down on the runway.
The wings should have come off and the nose should have separated as we see in the third video I posted of a controlled crash landing up aways.
Hi Z,
QuoteI still have in my head those first photos of Pennsylvania during 9/11 where that huge plane just vanished.
That's because there was
No plane .... :)
IMHO, 9/11 would be one of the biggest conspiracies which the human species has ever been exposed to. :( >:(
Ya know, if they would have staged this scene better I wouldn't be all over them.
Here's what it looks like when a plane disturbs ground when all goes wrong.
(http://s24.postimg.org/lus8k1d45/crashmarks.jpg)
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on July 08, 2013, 04:01:05 AM
That's because there was No plane .... :)
:o but but Rumsfeld says they shot it down... :(
Mwhahaha
Quote from: sky otter on July 07, 2013, 08:26:45 PM
but i also need to ask you..what would be the point of this being a fake..?
Distraction?
Quote from: ArMaP on July 07, 2013, 10:28:22 PM
Apparently, this is a video of the crash.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMGqwucjA6M
Um... What's with the blurred out sides of the vid?!?
QuoteSince your right on top a that, can you recall any missing people or kids in that general area.
Gigas
sorry..i don't recall anything along those lines..it's been awhile and emotions were running high
then about the whole thing..so even if there was mention of such.. i don't recall it
and ok so the pics don't match..wouldn't be the first time the news has coughed up some old or irrelavant pic cause they didn't have first hand ones yet..that doesn't make it a conspiracy..just really bad reporting
and a distraction of or for what...
i'm not saying no to either idea..just asking for more...you can't call shame on them and then turn around and not complete and/or backup your answers or thoughts...unless of course you label it for what it is..opinion
and that's just mine..opinion that is...
i need reasons and proof before i jump on any bandwagon so i'll just sit here and read for now
and ask lots and lots of questions
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 08, 2013, 04:31:57 AM
Um... What's with the blurred out sides of the vid?!?
The man behind the curtain?
::)
"Distraction" That could be a why... like a Vegas Magician...
"Look over here... at the pretty half naked girl... so you won't see what I do over here"
Quote from: sky otter on July 08, 2013, 04:45:46 AM
..just really bad reporting
Really bad reporting by mainstream news IS a conspiracy :P That is why we have all these 'distractions"
::)
At 27 second mark of this clip a guy flying the desert crash plane looks a lot like that guy named sully sullenberger who crash landed that 727 in the potomac couple a years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W--dC5kuQ8Q
Really bad reporting by mainstream news IS a conspiracy
i don't agree with that.. the total lack of caring in presentation and no proof readers or speel checkers or even editors is the reason for bad reporting
...i see it every time i read the newspaper..
they get most stuff screwed up..and if you know what happened you catch it ..
those who don't know what happen either take it as presented or argue about it..
the game anymore is find the mistakes as you read..it's awful
in my opinion it is part of the total lack of pride in what you do that sits in every corner of employment
here's a prime example
a quote from the original link i posted in this thread
A senior Asiana official said the pilot was Lee Jeong-min, a veteran pilot who has spent his career with the airline. He was among four pilots on the plane who rotated on two-person shifts during the 10-hour flight, the official said.
found it..the latest story..conspiracy or cover your ass..?
A spokesperson for Asiana Airlines told Reuters that Lee Kang-kook, the pilot in charge of landing the plane, was in training and it was the first time he was attempting to fly into San Francisco while manning the Boeing 777. The airline said Kang-kook had flown different planes to that airport and was also being assisted by a more experienced pilot.
and just a minute ago a quote about the pilot being in training...
i don't think of that as a conspiracy.. i think of it as an excuse of the air line for what happened
the cover your ass routine...the company fires one guy and says opps..
and again i ask a distraction for what....life ain't mayberry anymore ..the whole thing is a distraction so what's the point of one more...?
Quote from: sky otter on July 08, 2013, 04:45:46 AM
Gigas
sorry..i don't recall anything along those lines..it's been awhile and emotions were running high
then about the whole thing..so even if there was mention of such.. i don't recall it
and ok so the pics don't match..wouldn't be the first time the news has coughed up some old or irrelavant pic cause they didn't have first hand ones yet..that doesn't make it a conspiracy..just really bad reporting
and a distraction of or for what...
i'm not saying no to either idea..just asking for more...you can't call shame on them and then turn around and not complete and/or backup your answers or thoughts...unless of course you label it for what it is..opinion
and that's just mine..opinion that is...
i need reasons and proof before i jump on any bandwagon so i'll just sit here and read for now
and ask lots and lots of questions
That's alright sky otter, you can't be expected to see things other can. I have a forensic mind and eye and see things beyond the face value of reality.
I ask about missing kids or people in that area because I have stories of pennsylvania missing people and that area maybe one where people have gone missing. Its a place called chestnut I believe.
The area maybe an area some what like the walker skin ranch where weird stuff is going on which would make sense why government entities want it closed off. It appears they set up a reason to top secret this location for occult reasons.
"Curiouser and curiouser!" said Alice...
Police Prevent passenger of SF Plane Crash from telling his account
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBrOZAlBYMc
Quote from: Gigas on July 08, 2013, 05:09:35 AM
At 27 second mark of this clip a guy flying the desert crash plane looks a lot like that guy named sully sullenberger who crash landed that 727 in the potomac couple a years ago.
A real life 'Crash Test Dummy'?? :)
Somethings wrong with this video and what we were shown as the jet was evacuated. In this supposed video of the crash we see MASSIVE FIRE ENGULFING THE JET. Yet when photos of passengers getting off the wreck, no fire what so ever.
Then, after everybody is off the plane, fire suddenly shows up somewhere way behind the plane. But in the video supposedly of this crash we see fireballs and rolling flames with the jet lifting and slamming down.
Ask yourself how is this possible and why no drag marks in the dirt where the jet came to rest and why no burnt grass since we see it is extremely dry.
I found another photo taken from inside the terminal and in that image it looks as though the massive fire is burning from somewhere behind the jet. Perhaps someone with software can blow up the image of the fire and post it for better eyeball viewing quality.
(http://s21.postimg.org/3uosbqd87/Terminalofcrash.jpg)
Supposedly video of the crash with all kinds of fake OMGing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEDZerwU7uE
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/headsinsmoke.jpg) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/headsinsmoke.jpg.html)
Heads in the smoke.......
not added by me.....if you see them
Quote from: deuem on July 08, 2013, 06:26:22 PM
(http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa458/deuem/headsinsmoke.jpg) (http://s1198.photobucket.com/user/deuem/media/headsinsmoke.jpg.html)
Heads in the smoke.......
not added by me.....if you see them
Thanks for the blow up. It looks to me as though all the smoke is from behind the jet and what we have seen of the fuselage fire, it burned from center cabin up not way back yonder as if the wings are burning. Why do we not see burnt grass when over head photos show the scene. We know the grass was dry and dry grass burns quickly in a breeze when fire is around.
Oddly or not, Whilst I was watching SBS World New's here in OZ on Sunday night I heard of a Canalien Train Go up in Smoke.
SOURCE:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/08/world/americas/canada-runaway-train
In the same news hour SBS ran a story about this very plane crash along with the FBI saying it wasn't terrorist's followed by a quick linked segment about American's showing how Terroist's can ignite bomb's and the Bomb's effect's. We both swore at the TV in the last bit showing the Experts demonstrating Explosive's as we didn't want to watch that crap as there is other news around the world. >:(
The two pics are odd, and it would seem the blow up ramps changed angle at some point?!