It appears that Snowden had made it to Venezuela or is at least in the process of attempting to do so. (Not verified as of yet) This article claims that Snowden has leaked some documentation that UFO's are from the mantle of the earth and the civilization is far more advanced. Right now, items about Snowden are somewhat confusing. Don't know if the confusion is by design or what? Thoughts anyone?
http://www.chronicle.su/news/snowden-reveals-ufo-documents-after-receiving-asylum-in-venezuela/
I am going to dig some more on this subject. Its hard to trust the Internet, so I will see if I can find more stories about this particular subject matter.
So far it's just one story with many differing opinions. Here is one from UFO Digest:
UFO-Extraterrestrial Snowden Moment
http://www.ufodigest.com/article/snowden-moment-0611
Are the powers that be using their technology to make millions off an unsuspecting public?
Once upon a time Wikileaks leakes 250,000 cables...
Talk soon started on how many of those cable contained UFO leaks...
Even though Julian Assange himself repeatedly said there was NOTHING on UFO's and Alien.
But it doesn't matter to the "believers" They will just make up whatever they want to hear, then Tweet it, retweet it, share and like it on Farcebook and soon it becomes real...
Like this one today... posted five minutes ago and already has 84 likes and 46 shares
Quotehttps://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/970087_662302700450004_20348300_n.jpg
There will NEVER be disclosure... and even if there was it would be so buried in Thor's carp that no one would see it
UFO Believers are their own worst enemy...
You sound like your having a bad day Z.
I hope there will be.
If nobody digs there will never be.
So chin up and get with the job in hand.
Or il send the mother in law around ;D
Quote from: zorgon on July 09, 2013, 08:31:15 PM
Once upon a time Wikileaks leakes 250,000 cables...
Talk soon started on how many of those cable contained UFO leaks...
Even though Julian Assange himself repeatedly said there was NOTHING on UFO's and Alien.
But it doesn't matter to the "believers" They will just make up whatever they want to hear, then Tweet it, retweet it, share and like it on Farcebook and soon it becomes real...
Like this one today... posted five minutes ago and already has 84 likes and 46 shares
There will NEVER be disclosure... and even if there was it would be so buried in Thor's carp that no one would see it
UFO Believers are their own worst enemy...
I think the last part or line that "UFO believers are their own worst enemy" is a very true statement. All too often the "believers" may run out of fresh reports or think the public wants more...so they have to come up with something...so they start making stuff up and this muddies the water. I am not saying "all" do this but I think a large number fell into this little trap. For me, I still have an open mind. Right now I question the "truthfulness" of the "Snowden comment." but my mind remains open.
Quote from: spacemaverick on July 09, 2013, 08:27:54 PM
So far it's just one story with many differing opinions. Here is one from UFO Digest:
UFO-Extraterrestrial Snowden Moment
http://www.ufodigest.com/article/snowden-moment-0611
Are the powers that be using their technology to make millions off an unsuspecting public?
As I read through the articles, it seems they are quite dated for release and association to FB leaves me a bit apprehensive too really accepting this as a valid truth. Ed Komerak had written this editorial some 4+ weeks ago, there by filing it very close too the whole Snow3den N$A debacle.
He even use's such word's as "Hopeful" or "Possibly" too reassure that these are hypothetical's and aren't 'Facts' of the matter.
I don't need anyone to convince me there are UFO's in our Night/Day time skies, I have my reasons of 'Believing' this as fact.
I have no idea how the stories are going to play out for mr. Sn0wd3n, but, if one is going to follow seriously of anything being released by way of gobment acknowledgement of UFO/ET disclosure, well, let's say this is a far cry from happening, the most recent UFO Symposium held In Greensboro NC (June 29TH-30TH, 2013) and the symposium in Chile, South America are the real interest's too be watched for something such as this.
And as far as I can tell from my correspondence's with Lelsie Kean, UFO author and speaker at this Symposium, there were eye roll's and nothing really significant that is changing anything.
Sorry too sound so "UFO Skeptical" for I am not at all, just don't see anything like the Sn0wd3n debacle really revealing nothing, and 'YES' be careful where we hear this information from, FB and Tweet's aren't where the truth's are for this topic.
Unless of course they have some pictures and a link.. ??? LOL :P
1WW
Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on July 09, 2013, 08:38:57 PM
You sound like your having a bad day Z.
Nope having a good day :P I have always said, and so hs John :P that there will be no official disclosure :D
QuoteI hope there will be. If nobody digs there will never be.
There is for the few that can muck through the mire...
Problem is the muck already requires hip waders that are neck high and we haven't reached the deep end yet
When you have guys like Klaus Donner and Nassim Haramein creating ancient Mayan artifacts that show aliens and then getting coverage on National Geographic... then what hope does the little guy have of ever finding the truth?
The UFO/Alien business makes BIG BUCKS Stanton gave up a 'career' in Nuclear physics to hawk UFO's Dr Greer and Dr Lier both make more money in the Alien feild than they could as medical doctors and medical doctors make a fortune.
So yeah I will keep digging... but I am getting older and more tired and the mountain of crap is getting deeper by the day :P
Government disinfo agents? Hell no they don't need them LOL The Twitterheads, the Farcebook "Like Me" crowd and the YT Hoaxers are working for free :P
QuoteSo chin up and get with the job in hand.
Or il send the mother in law around ;D
Oh yeah? Well she would have to get past the Attack Ferrets first :P
And where are the Pegasus "Boots on the Ground" team out there interviewing people?
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im w you zorgon.the piles of crap are big but we all have really good noses.
the crap filter/pegasus helps alot.i think we are on a better track than the other 99%.
friedman and howe are stooges so we know who not to trust.
we dont get the leaks per se but our analytical skills get us further than other teams.our powers of deduction are better too.
Re: Symposiums
Ever been to one? I have
They have some good speakers... that talk and tell a story. Some stories are great, some good, and some utter BS... but in the end all it is is TALK
There are several Crash Recovery Symposiums around like the annual one in Laughlin. They TALK about the MANY UFO crashes and crash sites. Yet in all those years, in all those crash sites, there is never ONE PIECE of metal.
I have seen military crash sites of top secret aircraft... they are good at cleanup but even today some of those sights you can find little scraps
We keep saying how inefficient the government is but on the other hand we say they are 100% efficient at cleaning up UFO crashes :D
Point is symposiums are 10% talk, 90% selling healing gems, books and alien toys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHMbfIxHm4Y
MUFON even says only 15% are good yet in the pics they shoed in the news report I spotted several known fakes...
And at the end, even the top investigators have to say "They could be military... we just don't know"
Now then Who wants to buy a John Lear talks about Bob lazar dvd?
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Quote from: robomont on July 09, 2013, 09:40:10 PM
im w you zorgon.the piles of crap are big but we all have really good noses.
the crap filter/pegasus helps alot.i think we are on a better track than the other 99%.
By JOVE you got it!!! There is an invention we need A crap filter with Pegasus LOGO Doesn't need to work, just a novelty item :D WE BE RICH
Quotefriedman and howe are stooges so we know who not to trust.
Sad thing is they started out with the right intentions... at least we think they did
Quotewe dont get the leaks per se but our analytical skills get us further than other teams.our powers of deduction are better too.
Well yes we do and I hav eposted them. But they come via private emails
At ATS I was sent the link to the Commander of the Naval Space Command in my thread... ATS deleted that post but I caught it. That was kinda the proof of the thread LOL
Dr Resnick sent me the stealth patent (with warnings) I posted what was safe and now its out
There are more I need to sort them I also have a list I need to follow up on
i think it's a human problem. we have knee jerk reactions to information, based on our information prejudices.
for example, the "ufos are evil" crowd, will not consider any evidence to the contrary.
the "ufos are not real" crowd, will not consider any evidence to the contrary.
the "ufos are real" crowd, will not consider any evidence to the contrary.
the "ufos are only military vehicles" crowd, will not consider any evidence to the contrary.
and the "ufos are extra-terrestrials" crowd, will not consider any evidence to the contrary.
this tells me that each one of those areas has discovered important information, so important, that they are completely convinced. as a result, i'm going with the position that they are all correct: sometimes it's evil entites, sometimes it's actual ETs (some ETs might actually be mean and awnry, and some might be quite nice), sometimes it's government vehicles and sometimes it's extra-terrestrial vehicles piloted by ETs. sometimes it's real and sometimes it's bs.
we have our jobs cut out for us, obviously.
even fifty years ago we didnt recognize them as anything.
now we recognize them mostly as vehicles of intelligent design.
i say thats a step in the right direction.
we know the tr3b uses alien tech because we know what the tr3b looks like and the tech has been around for thousands of years.and the tr3b uses ancient tech.
we know it has a ball of light and can cloak.same stuff the aliens/ancients use.
so either the gov reinvented it or they got it from someone who new how to build it.i doubt the gov really cared about the vimanas or egypt enough to spend money on speculation so my guess they were given the tech from a stranger.what that stranger is.is the big ?
Quote from: undo11 on July 09, 2013, 10:44:08 PM
we have our jobs cut out for us, obviously.
Yes... yes we do..
...we need to catch one...
Then you can interview him :P
Quote from: zorgon on July 09, 2013, 09:27:41 PM
The UFO/Alien business makes BIG BUCKS Stanton gave up a 'career' in Nuclear physics to hawk UFO's Dr Greer and Dr Lier both make more money in the Alien feild than they could as medical doctors and medical doctors make a fortune.
This is the biggest road block to disclosure. Unfortunately it IS the Stanton Friedman's, Steven Greer's of the UFO world that are holding back disclosure, they would be out of a job if it happened. Remember the last election? Marijuana was on the ballot in California, it was defeated; by the growers! No percentage in making their "cash crop" legal! No percentage in allowing disclosure! (perhaps if we keep it just "muddy" enough, no one will figure it out).
Disclosure, however, is not a fight that can be won. Disclosure absolutely MUST happen eventually; it is unavoidable.
Quote from: undo11 on July 09, 2013, 10:44:08 PM
i think it's a human problem. we have knee jerk reactions to information, based on our information prejudices.
for example, the "ufos are evil" crowd, will not consider any evidence to the contrary.
the "ufos are not real" crowd, will not consider any evidence to the contrary.
the "ufos are real" crowd, will not consider any evidence to the contrary.
the "ufos are only military vehicles" crowd, will not consider any evidence to the contrary.
and the "ufos are extra-terrestrials" crowd, will not consider any evidence to the contrary.
this tells me that each one of those areas has discovered important information, so important, that they are completely convinced. as a result, i'm going with the position that they are all correct: sometimes it's evil entites, sometimes it's actual ETs (some ETs might actually be mean and awnry, and some might be quite nice), sometimes it's government vehicles and sometimes it's extra-terrestrial vehicles piloted by ETs. sometimes it's real and sometimes it's bs.
we have our jobs cut out for us, obviously.
Ahh I like that post!
How interesting, I find my self a little bit of each one of those 'crowds'.
In regards to disclosure -
In my opinion 'disclosure' has already happened.
I had a UFO pretty much pop up to my face, seemingly just because it could. That was my disclosure.
Millions of other people have had personal disclosure.
Many more can interpret all of our documents and NASA footage as 'disclosure'.
What on earth do people expect 'disclosure' to look like?
I don't know the actual figure, but say what? 70% of the globe are in agreement, life is out there? Is that not disclosure?
As to the minority who don't believe, they lack perception, and most likely are spiritualy less mature, or repressed. How can you deny the obvious? The blatant? The open?
This is like 'the Earth is flat' all over again.
*facepalm*.
Sinny Wrote:
QuoteAs to the minority who don't believe, they lack perception, and most likely are spiritualy less mature, or repressed. How can you deny the obvious? The blatant? The open?
I was just discussing this topic with a friend of mine that is quite intuitive to social liabilities with in thought perception and concise acknowledgement of what is reality and what is not. Her categorical confession was " I prefer Metaphysics over Theology, for if I have to read something to learn it, surely I have not experienced it." Really meant a lot when she said that too me, so thought I would share. (I will have to make sure she didn't copyright this though.. LOL :P)
QuoteThis is like 'the Earth is flat' all over again.
Ironically enough Sinny, she said this exact same thing, bet you gal's would get along smashingly!! ;)
1WW
I find this very disturbing - that people zealously involved with UFO advocacy or whistleblowers seem to be subject to extreme and unreal standards.
Guys like Stanton or Greer have education and established careers. If disclosure happens, they can find jobs somewhere or just retire. Greer, in particular, has been subject to ceaseless ridicule and insults about his appearance ( which is childish and ad hominem). He also may have survived an aggressive cancer that 'appeared' out of nowhere and took the life of a close friend. Somehow, no one is supposed to profit from their advocacy in any way, as if they are independently wealthy.
I see negative press about Snowden - as if personal sacrifice meant nothing. Heroes are now dismissed as 'narcissistic'. Assange is dismissed as an 'Israeli'/ Mossad operative despite being stuck in an embassy indefinitely.
I am old enough to know that nothing is perfect but we do ourselves - and our world - a real disservice by cynicism with no limits. In its stead, I'd love to hear/read solid thoughts about how our world might change profoundly without violence.
QuoteI see negative press about Snowden - as if personal sacrifice meant nothing. Heroes are now dismissed as 'narcissistic'. Assange is dismissed as an 'Israeli'/ Mossad operative despite being stuck in an embassy indefinitely.
I was more inclined to the whole UFO/ET Disclosure thing Eighthman. I can understand your point of view, rest assured that I am on the same page, it is a matter of the topic being discussed.
IF Snowden did what he did to alert the world, then he is a person of the compassion necessary to become a solid politician, but , at the same time, with the current topic we are discussing with the disclosure stuff, it under-mind's the potential of the whole Snowden case and scenario. It short order, we can't trust anything or anyone it seems any longer for their word.
We have came a long way from a mere hand shake and a person's word as fact, and MSM has a lot to do with this, as you well know. It seems it all becomes moot for true analytically driven trust. Time will tell as they say, but for the most part, if Snowden is on the up and up, he has done his fellow civilians a great service, no doubt. ;)
With Great Respect,
1Worldwatcher
Snowden may have had the purest of motives to bring out any of the information he has up to this point. Of course the government side is going to muddy the waters as much as they can with as many disinfo agents as they can. But I ask you...presidents have allowed technology that should have remained ours go to the other side (whoever the other side was at the time) and nothing has happened to them. No impeachment process for them. They are (our governing powers) going to try and silence Snowden because I think they don't want anymore to come out. I don't think formal disclosure will ever happen but may come to individuals only for the most part. Too many sheep out there just listen to whoever tell whatever and they take it as the gospel truth. Disinfo agents come in many different venues to muddy up the waters. While the agents do the muddy work, the powers that be move forward with their agenda.
Spacemaverick Wrote:
QuoteDisinfo agents come in many different venues to muddy up the waters. While the agents do the muddy work, the powers that be move forward with their agenda.
This is one thing I totally agree on Spacemaverick. ;) Now we must keep our eyes on the left hand while the right hand is waving about, which is always, or seems to be always with in these types of disinfo campaign's they openly do with in agenda oriented propaganda.
When the news of Snowden's whistle blowing was released, and then they couldn't find him in Ch1n4 or locate his where-a-bouts for procuring his incarceration, the first thing I thought "Wasn't Snowden wanted for NSA involvement for tracking people unconstitutionally?" LOL Quite funny actually when one thinks about it, but then my mind clicked, 'This would be a perfect case scenario that would allow the Public to 'THINK' he had gotten away from authorities, and have him removed.' Which is when I started watching the story unfold even closer.
When I had heard that Snowden went to Venezuela for asylum, well that raised my eyebrow for sure, because before Chavez passed away, Putin (Russia) had their annual War Games off the cost of Venezuela that had USA Diplomat's all up in arms and keeping a very watchful eye of what was taking place.
If there is any connection from one too another, I have no idea, but do find this rather strange coincidence because of the association's between Russia/Venezuela and the whole Chavez rant's of America and it's desire to have him over thrown due to his association's of none American sympathizer's. And this all came at a point of high tension's between Chavez and the USA marching machine.
Just saying, being aware of these scenario's is prudent as you have brought up Spacemaverick, may be something that is not yet seen for the implication's it provides as too the why's Snowden didn't remain in Ch1n4 or Was not accepted in Ru$$1a, could be a scandal a brewing, we just can't see it for what it is worth yet.. ???
1WW
Quote from: zorgon on July 10, 2013, 12:21:22 AM
Yes... yes we do..
...we need to catch one...
Then you can interview him :P
lol i dunno my interviewing skills were never much to begin with and they are definitely rusty. what do you ask an ET?
"Soooo, how's your family?"
"Tell me about your homeworld?"
"Do they have television commercials on Xpotqlorgak?"
For myself a person who has processed thousands of UFO and stange photos, read hundreds of reports and viewed countless videos, I still say, There is no solid proof.
Maybe 70% of the people still believe in Santa Clause and the tooth fairy.
What is solid proof is my real question. What can 100% of the people believe. What would that take.
I think I have stated many time that UFOs are real. So the Deuem vote is 1 of the 70%. But I do hold out for proof. What would this take? What is the definition of solid proof?
Remember, half of me is still an Engineer....
And a couple of years ago I got into a big debate with a guy that proved the world was flat and we were all being had..
Another one who said the sun and the moon are the same size and the stars are all fake. The Sun and Moon are only 2d Flat circles.
Should we believe them or ask for better proof?
Deuem
Proof is easy LOL just take me for a ride in your alien spaceship :D
That or a full fledged invasion... but I would rather avoid that :P
If I only took you, then only you would have proof.
A full fledged invasion might work, I will pass on that one for now.
But a couple hundred low altitude Earth orbits by hundreds of crafts for days might work. And still I say, might work. Many people would say it was Harrp.
It would take a lot to reach everyone with 100% credable proof where even the nay sayers would agree. What is that proof? Would a mass landings work, no, they would just eat them here. Stick a chopstick up the rear and toss it in the oil, Fine gray on a stick.
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on July 10, 2013, 02:04:08 AM
" I prefer Metaphysics over Theology, for if I have to read something to learn it, surely I have not experienced it."
What a thought provoking statement! ;D
I agree sounds like we'd get on like a house on fire - Invite her to Pegasus :P
Quote from: undo11 on July 10, 2013, 05:10:18 AM
"Soooo, how's your family?"
"Tell me about your homeworld?"
"Do they have television commercials on Xpotqlorgak?"
well Undo, even if you are a bit rusty, I would love too be there for the questioning!! ;)
"Xpotqlorak" What a mind!! LOL Glad you would be doing the interview, for I couldn't pronounce that let alone the other words you apparently know in Alien!! LOL :P
And by the way "Do you think I should add this to my spell checker?" Ha ha ha May come in handy after the interview. :D
1WW
Quote from: Sinny on July 10, 2013, 12:25:18 PM
What a thought provoking statement! ;D
yes, much like peanut Butter on the roof of one's mouth once heard or spoken. ;)
QuoteI agree sounds like we'd get on like a house on fire - Invite her to Pegasus :P
I have invited her, but she says that the internet is not all it is talked up as, and she would rather suck down a few cold beer's and discuss such matters in the presence of those having the conversation. A truly lovely mind she is.
1WW
Oh my gosh!
Drool!
Would almost murder for a beer right now aha.
I have formulated an opinion (emphasis is opinion) that the original story I came across in the Internet Chronicle is a lot of bovine excrement. There is a story on there also about HAARP composed of information we already know. When you look at the stories of other things happening to other people, they are so far out and untrue that it has become clear to me that maybe the bovine excrement is rather deep. The Internet hasn't brought forth any more information from any sources that I can find credible or maybe I have missed something. I am going to venture a guess that the BS meter went off the scale on this one. My humble opinion of course. Did he reveal any UFO secrets? Who knows?
Quote from: spacemaverick on July 11, 2013, 05:34:51 AM
I have formulated an opinion (emphasis is opinion) that the original story I came across in the Internet Chronicle is a lot of bovine excrement.
Well, in my personal experience's, having an 'Opinion' is commendable. Point being that you/we or I's of the same nurtured thoughts aren't being led by wanna be leader's of such apparent heart wrenching topics as too have to 'Ice The Cake' too get the people to say "What an intellectual being this one is!!" LOL
So, your admittance with in your acknowledgement of 'Your Opinion' is dually noted and admired Spacemaverick. ;)
QuoteThere is a story on there also about HAARP composed of information we already know. When you look at the stories of other things happening to other people, they are so far out and untrue that it has become clear to me that maybe the bovine excrement is rather deep.
Ah Yes, this is where personal 'Opinion's' must aspire to their own greatness and prowess with in deductive understanding. For instance, we can take an artists rendering of a never before seen craft, label it as a B-OP's prototype and let the sheeple create the monologue from there.
As for the "Bovine Excrement", well lets say that "Goulashes aren't Deep enough!!" LOL Have to get some chest-wader's that are above the chest with some of the hooey out there for sure.
QuoteThe Internet hasn't brought forth any more information from any sources that I can find credible or maybe I have missed something.
That is the monster all on it's own Spacemaverick, and even more frustrating when one takes the time too find out after hours/days or weeks of research that is it nothing more than the BS as mentioned before, :(
But, at least with our 'Opinion's' and constitution with such fringe topic discussion's, we can proclaim "Vini, Vidi, Vici" for being of a higher conscientious individual. ;)
QuoteI am going to venture a guess that the BS meter went off the scale on this one. My humble opinion of course. Did he reveal any UFO secrets? Who knows?
Don't need Snowden too be where I am with the whole UFO Disclosure debacle, am totally aware that they exist, there by laying my reliance on self acknowledgement of such being nothing short of a fact of life, and those that need someone like Snowden to "Validate" such Proclamation's, well "Bovine Excrement"!! Ha ha ha
1WW
Quote from: 1Worldwatcher on July 11, 2013, 06:17:10 AM
As for the "Bovine Excrement", well lets say that "Goulashes aren't Deep enough!!" LOL Have to get some chest-wader's that are above the chest with some of the hooey out there for sure.
Bovine Excrement is fine! Until it hit's the Rotary Oscillator! ;D
My Wife say's to me:
"Why you spend so much time on this stuff when everyone knows it's real"
Other People Say:
"You don't spend enough time on this to make a coherent argument"
Finding Disclosure is a shared effort amongst a group of people. Much like the effort's of people who attend a Qigong class where they spent a lot of time and effort searching for a teacher that demonstrates that they are worth the time.
It's the little story's one hears that mostly make up some for of disclosure, which then drive one mad :D
Quote from: deuem on July 10, 2013, 11:03:14 AM
It would take a lot to reach everyone with 100% credable proof where even the nay sayers would agree. What is that proof? Would a mass landings work, no, they would just eat them here. Stick a chopstick up the rear and toss it in the oil, Fine gray on a stick.
PROOF:
Do 100% of people believe Apollo landed on the moon?
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Do 100% of people believe the earth is round?
http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/
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And we eat them here too...
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Quote from: Somamech on July 11, 2013, 07:24:52 PM
My Wife say's to me:
"Why you spend so much time on this stuff when everyone knows it's real"
THIS is how 90% of the people are :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_CgPsGY5Mw
Most will believe something and then just accept their version of truth and forget about it. Nothing you can do to shake it
Quote
Other People Say:
"You don't spend enough time on this to make a coherent argument"
Those are skeptics :P Does their opinion really change facts?
::)
QuoteFinding Disclosure is a shared effort amongst a group of people. Much like the effort's of people who attend a Qigong class where they spent a lot of time and effort searching for a teacher that demonstrates that they are worth the time.
Disclosure, like the search for the meaning of life will ALWAYS be a personal issue. Once you have the truth, does it really matter what the other guy thinks?
In the Medieval world when someone aspires to being a Knight they are all gung ho to let everyone know. Once they achieve that goal they realize that they no longer have the need to brag because it is now a reality
SO true!
If my wife was a FaceSpocker of question then yes I would agree!
Oddly though, my wife and her family are Old Hat Face Chatter's. Basically that mean's it's tradition that ghost's can walk and talk after life exists where the deceased can still interact with the living flesh!
Apparently after Tomb Sweeping Day Grandpa approved of me! I can see why, I worked hard with my living flesh dad, (on my wife's side with earnest) and we cleared the frig out of his temple !
Disclosure is like odd mystery's too ;)
Only 'one experience's it at the time', Yet with serious people who do see it for what it is we can piece it together to some extent !
Quote
SO true!
If my wife was a FaceSpocker of question then yes I would agree!
Oddly though, my wife and her family are Old Hat Face Chatter's. Basically that mean's it's tradition that ghost's can walk and talk after life exists where the deceased can still interact with the living flesh!
Apparently after Tomb Sweeping Day Grandpa approved of me! I can see why, I worked hard with my living flesh dad, (on my wife's side with earnest) and we cleared the frig out of his temple !
Disclosure is like odd mystery's too ;)
Equals le gold.
let's put it on the table in simple terms; each one of us is isolated within the confines of the ol' meat suit limited by the five normally accepted senses; I cannot experience what you do except in a arch typical fashion; therefore it is difficult to convey what I experienced to anyone except in a limited manner...
disclosure is indeed a personal matter; what convinces you or I might be utter poop to another...
each one will have their own moment of enlightenment, that instant when the point of no return occurs and then is a thing of the past; some will argue about it, some steadfastly deny it, even turn to violence over it...
but I guarantee you, friends, when you do have that moment that convinces you utterly and totally, then you will look at the deny-ers and shrug, for you will have your proof...
seeker
With everything being said; each person's perception of what is transpiring in our skies is different because of various belief systems, outside influences and our inside influences and we are now back to each person's perception and PERSONAL DISCLOSURE. Where have I heard this one before? You could have a whole fleet of UFO's land and someone would say, hey those are demons or hey, this is all an illusion. People are going to believe what they want to believe...IMHO.
If 1 person sees a UFO, 99 say your crazy
If 1 person says they were abducted, 99 say your on drugs, see a doctor
If 1 person says he saw a fleet, 99 say, you saw a shower of rocks
If 1 person sees life on the moon, 99 say your crazy
If 99 people say this, 1 person says your all crazy
For myself it would be nice if we could have just one real tangable piece of proof.
then,
If 1 person has tangable proof, 99 say your crazy and made it up
If disclosure is done on a 1 by 1 basis, then when is it my turn?
I'm still waiting for my turn deuem. I do believe they exist even if I don't have any proof. That goes against my belief system but I still remain open minded.
I have seen two UFO's both far away
I have observed Critters with 3rd generation night vision goggles thanks to John> Anyone can spot critters :D
I have not yet met an alien
But too many people I now know in high places have met them face to face albeit briefly
These people are not on the circuit...
Perhaps we really don't want to meet one face to face, at least not if what I hear is anything to go by :D
As for Snowden revealling UFO stuff? Yesterday on Farcebook I saw then caliming Snowden now is saying Chemtrails are real
But people forget one main point Snowden was not privy to state secrets he was involved in the MONITORING of WE THE PEOPLE so any UFO or Chemtrail stuff he might have heard was from US :P
Yeah and why is it that Snowden All, yet everyone that has braved the "Chilly Reception" of the General Public have Clearly Stated that They Don't Know when they receive question's that are out of their knowledge base.
PSYOPS perhaps ?
Quote from: deuem on July 12, 2013, 09:09:05 AM
If 1 person sees a UFO, 99 say your crazy
But I can find you another 99 that will believe you... probably right here on Pegsus
QuoteIf 1 person says they were abducted, 99 say your on drugs, see a doctor
If 1 perosn says he saw you kill someone... 12 people will say your guilty :P
TRUTH and the eye of the witness is RELATIVE :P
QuoteIf 1 person says he saw a fleet, 99 say, you saw a shower of rocks
Back at ATS there were many who would look at the Moon anomalies and say "All I see is blurry rocks!" The skeptic will always scream 'Pareidolia" Well to a point there is some truth to that BUT on the other hand some people have a better eye to percieve things. Artists for one. People with such an eye get hired by the military to look over surveilance photos to spot anomalies on the ground. I posted one sample an old RAF photo of a German base. Even I had trouble seeing what they saw as rockets on trialers but they planned bombing missions based on that photo
The opposite of Pareidolia is "Prosopagnosia" or face blindness. That means people that CANNOT recognize things in photos. But I suspect that for certain skeptics its more deliberate
Other factors include monitor settings, glasses, ability to interpret what you see and even color blindness. I made the mistake of using a purple to highlight an anomaly once... then found out people who have trouble with grauscale cannot see the purple shading either
So what I and others can see clearly, others simply cannot.. and they get frusrated and mad and because they cannot see it, assume you must be crazy.
At ATS one skeptic (and Mod) TheBorg... one day saw the SCALE I was talking about in the Copernicus images. Once he grasped the SCALE he was able to see it. He saw ONE artifact clear as day... and that was enough. After that he found others on his own...
ArMaP has TWO images that he is stuck on... and all it really takes is ONE. If just ONE anomaly is true... then you are stuck :P
QuoteIf 1 person sees life on the moon, 99 say your crazy
on the other hand 99 people will say they see faces in every moon rock and they ARE crazy :P
QuoteIf 99 people say this, 1 person says your all crazy
Who defines and sets the satndard for insanity?
QuoteFor myself it would be nice if we could have just one real tangable piece of proof.
Agreed I have more than enough for me to know... BUT I would like to hold just one verified sample of a saucer from all these crash sites that supposedly happened.