Pegasus Research Consortium

I will hope that this actually occurs.  If it does, the government's response to it, should prove most interesting.

what better way to gather ya all up at once

how to prove who is sending this out?

can you say the word gullible ?



Wearing a mask at a riot is now a crime
Maximum 10-year prison term for conviction of new offence
By Meagan Fitzpatrick, CBC News Posted: Jun 19, 2013 8:34 AM ET Last Updated: Jun 19, 2013 12:10 PM ET

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/06/19/pol-mask-bill-royal-assent.html


forgot another word

set up

I have a mask, so no need to print & cut...  [smile]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2W1Wi2U9sQ

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Quote from: thorfourwinds on July 27, 2013, 03:12:22 AM
So what would the USGOV do in a situation where they had over a million 'dissidents' in one fishbowl?

Shoot them.  Maybe not all of them, but probably quite a lot of them.

QuoteHow about a few fishbowls - Washington, D.C., New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Amsterdam, London... see where this is going?

It depends.  Zucotti Park ended up resulting in a few mid level resignations, here and there, but it didn't really affect the top level people.  Michael Bloomberg laughed, in the end.  Whether or not a large demonstration accomplished anything, would really depend on whether or not people in the government(s) decided that the people's grievances needed to be acted on or not; and if they decided not, there really wouldn't be anything much that you could do about it.  The American government has an overwhelming monopoly of violence at this point.

The most the Million Mask March will be able to do, is go to the White House, and stand there.  Whether or not they accomplish anything by doing that, will depend on whether or not the government cares about them standing there, because standing there is literally all that they will be able to do.  If they were to become violent, it would lead to a horrific incident of governmental force.

One thing I do know, and that is that the American government is not going to capitulate without one hell of a fight, and it is potentially very dangerous to expect otherwise.  These are hardened psychopaths that we're talking about; they aren't going to placidly hold up their wrists for you to snap on the cuffs, and then quietly walk into their cells.  There won't be a scenario like there was in V for Vendetta itself, where the mere presence of a large group of people will cause the government to stand down. 

Remember also, that even in the film, the only real reason why the people showing up and simply watching the fireworks worked at all, was because V had already killed pretty much everyone in the government himself.  In real life, you're not going to get some super powered assassin to step in and do that for you. ;)

If you want to really change anything, then what you need to do, is convert the police to your cause, as they are the ones holding the balance of power.  If the government decides that it wants to use force against you, then it is the police who will be employed to do it.  At the moment, the police are bribed guard dogs; they work for the government, and they don't listen to any appeal made by civilians, who they consider the enemy.  I saw how passive the police response was to appeals made by people from Occupy.  The government has worked very hard to turn cops into zombies to that degree, because they know how important it is to remove any hint of empathy or basic humanity, if they want police to be willing to truly oppress the public.

The problem as i see it with any of this stuff is there needs to be a  formal cohesive message. Otherwise its just a lot of disparate voices, and that will never change anything.
That is exactly why the Occupy movement fell on its arse.
They couldnt string a coherant sentence together, so the media didnt know what they were supposed to be reporting.

Put together a written mandate of issues that need to be addressed immediately. With the most pressing first for gods sake.
Then you will Garner public interest and you will gain momentum.

otherwise its just people shouting.

elvis.

Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on July 27, 2013, 11:04:01 AM
The problem as i see it with any of this stuff is there needs to be a  formal cohesive message. Otherwise its just a lot of disparate voices, and that will never change anything.
That is exactly why the Occupy movement fell on its arse.
They couldnt string a coherant sentence together, so the media didnt know what they were supposed to be reporting.

Put together a written mandate of issues that need to be addressed immediately. With the most pressing first for gods sake.
Then you will Garner public interest and you will gain momentum.

otherwise its just people shouting.

elvis.

Well, Occupy was infiltrated to the HILT.

With Anon, it's a paradox - we cannot create a hierarchy because that is exactly what we oppose.
The unified IDEA behind Anon is to take down the tyrannical government.
Each of us bring our owns individual passions to the table - be it welfare cuts, against the wars, the war on drugs, poverty etc etc.

I think the general message is very clear.

The worst thing we could do now is STOP. We need momentum, we need peak capacity, the 100th monkey.
Time of trials and tribulations is indeed upon us people.

Those 'internment camps' that have been built over the last 30 years...When do you thin they'll be putting those bad boys into action?

"With Anon, it's a paradox - we cannot create a hierarchy because that is exactly what we oppose.
The unified IDEA behind Anon is to take down the tyrannical government.
Each of us bring our owns individual passions to the table - be it welfare cuts, against the wars, the war on drugs, poverty etc etc."

With respect, that is your problem. Its like children talking.
Two many voices and none being heard.
what is your first priority?

These kind of rants about tyrannical govermnent were shouted in the sixties and nothing happened.

unless you have a plan nothing will change.

Elvis.

Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on July 27, 2013, 01:59:01 PM

With respect, that is your problem. Its like children talking.
Two many voices and none being heard.
what is your first priority?

These kind of rants about tyrannical govermnent were shouted in the sixties and nothing happened.

unless you have a plan nothing will change.

Elvis.

Well, we aren't going to progress with your frame of mind now are we?
I just told you the plan. Lotsa angry citizens making their presence and objections known to the leaders.

QuoteWith respect, that is your problem

With respect:

"The problem is not the problem, the problem is your attitude towards the problem" - Captain  Jack Sparrow.

So Elvis, what do you suggest we do?

Quote from: Sinny on July 27, 2013, 02:10:05 PM
Well, we aren't going to progress with your frame of mind now are we?
I just told you the plan. Lotsa angry citizens making their presence and objections known to the leaders.

With respect:

"The problem is not the problem, the problem is your attitude towards the problem" - Captain  Jack Sparrow.

So Elvis, what do you suggest we do?

So who exactly are you talking too?

Is it the government regarding your taxes? or against the illegal wars they are waging? or against lack of healthcare?Education?etc.

Or is the Financial industry regarding fractional reserve banking and the production of worthless fiat money.

Or maybe the nuclear industry with its 10,000 year halflife waste.

oh hang on what about flouridation and on and on and on.

I have no problem with the concept, but your need to pick your battles and formulate a strategy.

Im not a war planner mate so i cant offer you a plan.

But i know flailing and drowning when i see it.

Elvis

I think you can protest all you want, It ain't gonna work. Masks are now a felony. Fema camps are open and waiting for you all. This is not the 60ties. The only way to get to these people is to stop funding their pocket book, Elect people that will really do what they say and bounce the ones that don't. Money is the key they use, use it back.

Everyone stop working for a month, see what happens then... Nice, just stay at home and relax. No money flowing...Do what they do take all your money out of the bank and put it in a nother country. Get a charge card from that country. Strip it where it hurts. The pocket book. Fighting them would never work unless it went to arms and I would never suggest that. It would end our country..

Most people really don't understand the power of the dollar. Using it and not using it. They just like to complain. Like Zorgon says to do with Exon, Ok, stop buying Exon gas. Stop buying Imported junk. Stop using the dollar. A halt in using the dollar and a mass exit of savings to other ports would shake up things far better than a rally. You have to play their game to win without blood shed or jail time.

Go on strike from Nov 1st to Dec 1st.  Stop the cash flow.....Have a sleep in at home....Nice and peaceful...No one gets hurt..

Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on July 27, 2013, 02:21:57 PM
So who exactly are you talking too?

Is it the government regarding your taxes? or against the illegal wars they are waging? or against lack of healthcare?Education?etc.

Or is the Financial industry regarding fractional reserve banking and the production of worthless fiat money.

Or maybe the nuclear industry with its 10,000 year halflife waste.

oh hang on what about flouridation and on and on and on.

I have no problem with the concept, but your need to pick your battles and formulate a strategy.

Im not a war planner mate so i cant offer you a plan.

But i know flailing and drowning when i see it.

Elvis

I'll revert to the Occupy message - We're talking to the 1%

I don't see why you are over complicating a very simple matter.

Remember - if you're not part of the solution - you're part of the problem.

Quote from: deuem on July 27, 2013, 02:34:21 PM
I think you can protest all you want, It ain't gonna work. Masks are now a felony. Fema camps are open and waiting for you all. This is not the 60ties. The only way to get to these people is to stop funding their pocket book, Elect people that will really do what they say and bounce the ones that don't. Money is the key they use, use it back.

Everyone stop working for a month, see what happens then... Nice, just stay at home and relax. No money flowing...Do what they do take all your money out of the bank and put it in a nother country. Get a charge card from that country. Strip it where it hurts. The pocket book. Fighting them would never work unless it went to arms and I would never suggest that. It would end our country..

Most people really don't understand the power of the dollar. Using it and not using it. They just like to complain. Like Zorgon says to do with Exon, Ok, stop buying Exon gas. Stop buying Imported junk. Stop using the dollar. A halt in using the dollar and a mass exit of savings to other ports would shake up things far better than a rally. You have to play their game to win without blood shed or jail time.

Go on strike from Nov 1st to Dec 1st.  Stop the cash flow.....Have a sleep in at home....Nice and peaceful...No one gets hurt..

Spot on.

have a bit of the shiny stuff.

Elvis.

Quote from: Sinny on July 27, 2013, 02:37:08 PM
I'll revert to the Occupy message - We're talking to the 1%

I don't see why you are over complicating a very simple matter.

Remember - if you're not part of the solution - you're part of the problem.

No im not part of the problem, that is a cliche.
I have been politically active on the front line and I know where it can lead.
My father was a political prisoner in Auschwitz and mathausen consentration camps, so i dont talk from the sidelines.

Elvis.

Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on July 27, 2013, 02:43:44 PM
No im not part of the problem, that is a cliche.
I have been politically active on the front line and I know where it can lead.
My father was a political prisoner in Auschwitz and mathausen consentration camps, so i dont talk from the sidelines.

Elvis.

I didn't mean to be derogatory towards you. However, I don't feel the defeatist attitude adds to progression.

Quote from: Sinny on July 27, 2013, 03:29:10 PM
I didn't mean to be derogatory towards you. However, I don't feel the defeatist attitude adds to progression.

Sinny i get that totally, I just wish anon had a solidified front with a few very tangable goals that the public could identify with.
Small steps with big meaning.
peace to you.

Elvis

i also work on the local level of gov and if you do not have a replacement plan for what you want rid of..you will not even be heard..let alone change anything

you need a constructive plan not a bunch of masked humans demanding that the rules be changed
what rules and changed to what...
throwing a tantrum will get you nothing but laughter..well it might get you jail


personally i have taken my plan to action by getting involved and changed things from the working side...guess what.. it can be done
move into the positions of power yourself and change it from there..is it easy or fast..nope
but it is effective

and if you consider mobs shouting to be progress..you are mistaken

Quote from: sky otter on July 27, 2013, 03:49:11 PM

i also work on the local level of gov and if you do not have a replacement plan for what you want rid of..you will not even be heard..let alone change anything

you need a constructive plan not a bunch of masked humans demanding that the rules be changed
what rules and changed to what...
throwing a tantrum will get you nothing but laughter..well it might get you jail


personally i have taken my plan to action by getting involved and changed things from the working side...guess what.. it can be done
move into the positions of power yourself and change it from there..is it easy or fast..nope
but it is effective

and if you consider mobs shouting to be progress..you are mistaken

Sky for the people who really understand, you are right on. A gold for you today....

I have heard from so many people that you can't fight city hall, my ears fell off. I have done this so many times and won. If you have a plan that is better than theirs it will work. Even better, their plan and they forgot it. I even got my house taxes cut in half one time. Information and planning is the key. They don't call it grass roots for nothing..

Broken record Deuem: Hit them in the pocket book. They will wake up! A good PTA or a selective group of neighbors can change more in local government than a million riots. Make changes with your brain power not your militant power. You know if that many people get together there will be people inside that will start it up and people will get hurt or jailed. Businesses will be burt or looted. The good people will lose twice.

A million letters to the boss would do more.....IMHO

Edit, Even in China I have gone to all levels of gov and changed things for the better. Most of them are human also and once they see a better way they go with it. My wife thinks I am crazy when I do this, my friends think I will dissapear but I have never lost yet. Even here. Plans on the right side of humans work every time. What might not be understood is that they don't have all the answers and are looking for them more than you think. They are human also. Change to be fair and you win. Easy.

Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on July 27, 2013, 11:04:01 AM
The problem as i see it with any of this stuff is there needs to be a  formal cohesive message. Otherwise its just a lot of disparate voices, and that will never change anything.
That is exactly why the Occupy movement fell on its arse.
They couldnt string a coherant sentence together, so the media didnt know what they were supposed to be reporting.

Put together a written mandate of issues that need to be addressed immediately. With the most pressing first for gods sake.
Then you will Garner public interest and you will gain momentum.

otherwise its just people shouting.

elvis.

I keep offering a direction...  Sure, it's good We all rise up...but, as You said, without direction We will mill about shouting about the problems with no specific solution.

I hope the ideas I offer spread so that We will MOVE towards Betterment.

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 27, 2013, 06:04:00 PM
I keep offering a direction...  Sure, it's good We all rise up...but, as You said, without direction We will mill about shouting about the problems with no specific solution.

I hope the ideas I offer spread so that We will MOVE towards Betterment.

Yup,
Small steps with big ideas.
:)

Quote from: Sinny on July 27, 2013, 02:37:08 PM
I'll revert to the Occupy message - We're talking to the 1%

The only problem with said Occupy message, is that Occupy were deluded.  Demographically speaking, in terms of the number of people who actually showed up, they were closer to 1%, themselves; they just repetitively screamed that they were the majority, as though that by itself would change anything.

Occupy had no solutions.  They never did.  At their core, initially anyway, they were the usual group of liberal, photogenic, campus 20 somethings.  Very trendy, and look great in media interviews, but not worth the proverbial hill of beans when it comes to actually getting anything done.

I will never forget one of the women who Dennis Trainer interviewed, as part of his movie on Occupy.  Flaming red hair, chalk white skin, and hooded serpent green eyes; she was literally a walking Anarchist flag, to the same degree that Superman was an American one.  That is what Occupy was; all style and subversive, anarcho-Communist imagery, and absolutely no substance.

They also didn't have an ounce of real stamina, or anything close to the stomach required for a truly long term campaign.  Once the police broke Zucotti up, it was over.

Do not give me the tired canard that if I'm not in support of Occupy, I'm automatically part of the problem.  That is a false and projected duality; and I've also seen enough of your posts, Sinny, to know that you're smart enough to know better than that.  I don't think Occupy were useless because I don't want solutions; quite the opposite.  I think Occupy and Anonymous are useless, and am going to continue to express it, precisely because I want to find something that actually will work.

The only thing that is going to work is a large scale corporate boycott.  Money is the only thing corporations care about, and it is also literally the only means of exercising control over them that we have left.  That was the main reason why Occupy left such a bad taste in my mouth; while protesting, they kept using their iPhones and their media players, and woe betide you if you dared suggest giving those things up.

That is what will work, however, and that alone.  Get rid of the mobile phones.  Boycott Apple; do not give them a cent.  Unless and until we do that, however, nothing will change.

Quote from: petrus4 on July 27, 2013, 09:14:44 PM
The only thing that is going to work is a large scale corporate boycott.  Money is the only thing corporations care about, and it is also literally the only means of exercising control over them that we have left.  That was the main reason why Occupy left such a bad taste in my mouth; while protesting, they kept using their iPhones and their media players, and woe betide you if you dared suggest giving those things up.

That is what will work, however, and that alone.  Get rid of the mobile phones.  Boycott Apple; do not give them a cent.  Unless and until we do that, however, nothing will change.

I see you understand.  A gold bingo for you today...MONEY

Last year here, they almost took McDonalds down. McDs was forced to start handing out free food to stay alive. Even to this day, you buy, you get something for free. Every year they go after 5 companies that have done something wrong.  Money, it works...

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PLUS

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EQUALS

(http://www.federaljack.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/FEMA-CAMPS-01.jpg)

Now you know what they were for  :P

Quote from: sky otter on July 27, 2013, 03:49:11 PM
you need a constructive plan not a bunch of masked humans demanding that the rules be changed
what rules and changed to what...
throwing a tantrum will get you nothing but laughter..well it might get you jail

...and if you consider mobs shouting to be progress..you are mistaken

Out of those ONE MILLION MASKS.....

How many would it take if they were Agents wearing a mask in the midst to cause trouble? How fast would a peaceful rally turn ugly if one of these masked agents fires a stray shot at the cops?

Most internet warriors are such chickens that they are afraid to use their real name online when they make a statement. For the same reason they will never sign a petition even thought they will say they did....

An avatar/nick name give anonymity, like the mask does... but it also allows those with bad intentions to hide behind them, like a child molester hangs out in chat rooms

They have already made it illegal to attend a protest wearing a mask in Canada... Imagine if some rouge agents wanted to stir up a riot...

With the mask no one knows who ANYONE is... the three guys behind you might be CIA or might be BlackBerry thugs...

And as Sky says... without a SOLID solution in hand to replace the existing one, the Masks will just be a band of Thugs

Our forefathers wore no mask... they stood up and signed their name... these few men changed the world and only had 20% of the people for support

In Egypt the people rose and literally dragged their ruler out of office... they wore no mask either

What purpose will the Million Mask March accomplish? What is it's goal? Do you realize that the majority of supporters are merely sheep donning that mask because they think it is cool and no one will recognize them?

Well lets see what happens... I have some popcorn and beer... but it would be ironic if that was what all those FEMA camps REALLY were for... that 'civil unrest'

::)

200 Gold

Quote from: deuem on July 27, 2013, 02:34:21 PM
I think you can protest all you want, It ain't gonna work. Masks are now a felony. Fema camps are open and waiting for you all. This is not the 60ties. The only way to get to these people is to stop funding their pocket book, Elect people that will really do what they say and bounce the ones that don't. Money is the key they use, use it back.

Everyone stop working for a month, see what happens then... Nice, just stay at home and relax. No money flowing...Do what they do take all your money out of the bank and put it in a nother country. Get a charge card from that country. Strip it where it hurts. The pocket book. Fighting them would never work unless it went to arms and I would never suggest that. It would end our country..

Most people really don't understand the power of the dollar. Using it and not using it. They just like to complain. Like Zorgon says to do with Exon, Ok, stop buying Exon gas. Stop buying Imported junk. Stop using the dollar. A halt in using the dollar and a mass exit of savings to other ports would shake up things far better than a rally. You have to play their game to win without blood shed or jail time.

Go on strike from Nov 1st to Dec 1st.  Stop the cash flow.....Have a sleep in at home....Nice and peaceful...No one gets hurt..

This person gets it :D

200 Gold

Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on July 27, 2013, 11:04:01 AM
The problem as i see it with any of this stuff is there needs to be a  formal cohesive message. Otherwise its just a lot of disparate voices, and that will never change anything.
That is exactly why the Occupy movement fell on its arse.
They couldnt string a coherant sentence together, so the media didnt know what they were supposed to be reporting.

Put together a written mandate of issues that need to be addressed immediately. With the most pressing first for gods sake.
Then you will Garner public interest and you will gain momentum.

otherwise its just people shouting.

elvis.

This person gets it :D

Quote from: Sinny on July 27, 2013, 01:15:49 PM
Well, Occupy was infiltrated to the HILT.

And who says Anon isn't infiltrated as well? Sinc e there is no organizational structure there is no way of knowing.

How many acts have been committed by people posing as Anon? How is someone outside supposed to know what is a 'real' Anon attack and what is a fake one? When Anon hacked ATS passwords it effected me and some of my accounts. That WAS a real Anon attack because the personal info was posted on a know Anon site

QuoteWith Anon, it's a paradox - we cannot create a hierarchy because that is exactly what we oppose.
The unified IDEA behind Anon is to take down the tyrannical government.
Each of us bring our owns individual passions to the table - be it welfare cuts, against the wars, the war on drugs, poverty etc etc.

Humans need a SHEPHERD  we are a herd animal. This has been proven time and time again... that is why cult leaders can so easily win a group. The problem with the current system is that the current SHEPHERDS are corrupt. What is needed are new SHEPHERDS to replace them... ones that will care for the people.

Anon represents ANARCHY... and by that very nature it will fail because anarchy will not fix anything. All it will do is tear things down and leave a mess worse than we have because they have no solution to fix things.

I am willing to be if everyone donning a mask would truly understand what can happen, they would leave very quickly.

As you said  everyone brings something else to the table  Every anon member has a personal beef with someone or something and thinks by donning the mask they can tear it down... but WHAT THEN?

Out of all the mask wearers I know I have only heard a soultion from ONE Amy's TAP and that is a long term possible/maybe solution. It won't help a bit once the infra structure is torn down and everyone is left in utter chaos

But I will guarantee one thing... when the chaos starts, the gangs and other criminals will have no qualms about preying on the disorganized sheep

QuoteI think the general message is very clear.

The only general message I see is tear everything down... as you said Anon has no structure, no plan, no heirarchy to rebuild

QuoteThose 'internment camps' that have been built over the last 30 years...When do you thin they'll be putting those bad boys into action?

The day after the Million Mask Mark... ;)

200 Gold

Quote from: petrus4 on July 27, 2013, 10:01:58 AM

The most the Million Mask March will be able to do, is go to the White House, and stand there.  Whether or not they accomplish anything by doing that, will depend on whether or not the government cares about them standing there, because standing there is literally all that they will be able to do.  If they were to become violent, it would lead to a horrific incident of governmental force.

If you want to really change anything, then what you need to do, is convert the police to your cause, as they are the ones holding the balance of power.  If the government decides that it wants to use force against you, then it is the police who will be employed to do it.  At the moment, the police are bribed guard dogs; they work for the government, and they don't listen to any appeal made by civilians, who they consider the enemy.  I saw how passive the police response was to appeals made by people from Occupy.  The government has worked very hard to turn cops into zombies to that degree, because they know how important it is to remove any hint of empathy or basic humanity, if they want police to be willing to truly oppress the public.

This person gets it :D

Quote from: Sinny on July 27, 2013, 02:10:05 PM
Well, we aren't going to progress with your frame of mind now are we?
I just told you the plan. Lotsa angry citizens making their presence and objections known to the leaders.

That is not a plan... that is suicide

Remember Kent State?

200 Gold

Quote from: sky otter on July 27, 2013, 03:49:11 PM

i also work on the local level of gov and if you do not have a replacement plan for what you want rid of..you will not even be heard..let alone change anything

you need a constructive plan not a bunch of masked humans demanding that the rules be changed
what rules and changed to what...
throwing a tantrum will get you nothing but laughter..well it might get you jail


personally i have taken my plan to action by getting involved and changed things from the working side...guess what.. it can be done
move into the positions of power yourself and change it from there..is it easy or fast..nope
but it is effective

and if you consider mobs shouting to be progress..you are mistaken

This person gets it :D

Al Tahrir Square . Cairo . Egypt 26/07/2013


These people had a plan... to oust their evil leader...

...they did


(https://sphotos-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/q71/581675_210585765732276_727422166_n.jpg)

And what did they get? More evil leaders! There is no answer. Take care of your family & and yourself & live your life without hate, envey or greed. Heard that somewhere before.



Peace
Rock

"No man, for any considerable period, can wear one face to himself and another to the multitude, without finally getting bewildered as to which may be the true."
? Nathaniel Hawthorne, The Scarlet Letter

Andy

wow i can envision king Z tossing coins out right and left..glad i got some.. ;D


ya know this country had a great structure up until the second bush's puppet master got into the mix.. and changed a lot of things that shouldn't have been changed

it wasn't the rules that were bad (like they are now).. it was the folks messing with them for the power and money they could  get

so instead of a million mask march ..if those million folk unmasked and stepped up and replaced those now in office...wow..now that would be a good thing..that would show em

well unless those stepping up let it go to THIER heads and then they morped into greedy bas tards too

the fix is going to be long in coming and i don't know if i will see this beautiful country restored to it's grand beginnings ...the original system had so much thought put into it ..checks and balances to keep what has happened from happening
it was changed for the worst by humans and humans can and have to change it back


i will be working on it  -

what will you be doing ?

All I get is that without a PLAN, a GOAL, standing up leaves One right where One is.  "Going forth" without a plan/goal leaves everyOne going different directions.

So it is MY goal to offer a PLAN, and hopefully enough will want to go that way.

We'll see about that!


Wearing a mask at a riot is now a crime
Maximum 10-year prison term for conviction of new offence

We now know agent provocateurs operate within mass demonstrations which easily can be turned into a riot by tossing trash cans through store front windows or tossing bottles/rocks at the gestapo.

QuoteJune 2013: A bill that bans the wearing of masks during a riot or unlawful assembly and carries a maximum 10-year prison sentence with a conviction of the offence became law today.

Bill C-309, a private member's bill introduced by Conservative MP Blake Richards in 2011, passed third reading in the Senate on May 23 and was proclaimed law during a royal assent ceremony in the Senate this afternoon.

Just when ya thought we had a chance, they pulled this out a their hats in May 2013.

Edit to ad: the Link: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/06/19/pol-mask-bill-royal-assent.html (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/06/19/pol-mask-bill-royal-assent.html)

BUT WAIT!!!

Think back to when they orchestrated katrina doom and cops in the midst of katrina realized it was futile to stop the human response syndrome. Cops watched and many just simply went home to their families.

It was the well trained hired contract killers who train for this very scenario who came on scene and began killing people.

Quote from: sky otter on July 28, 2013, 05:17:08 PM
wow i can envision king Z tossing coins out right and left..glad i got some.. ;D

I would be a Benevolent Dictator :P

Quoteso instead of a million mask march ..if those million folk unmasked and stepped up and replaced those now in office...wow..now that would be a good thing..that would show em

YES!!! EXACTLY  stop WHINING about the problem and STEP UP AND TAKE CONTROL  Mass marches will only make them retaliate with more Draconian laws, more drones, more swat teams

Quotewell unless those stepping up let it go to THEIR heads and then they morped into greedy bas tards too

That is INEVITABLE It has ALWAYS happened in history... but it takes time so at least there will be a moment of peace before the new ones figure out they can get away with it.  Ben Franklin and cronies created America officially  July 4, 1776  It wasn't until Woodrow Wilson in 1914 that the Bankers took back control 138 YEARS later

Quotethe fix is going to be long in coming and i don't know if i will see this beautiful country restored to it's grand beginnings ...the original system had so much thought put into it ..checks and balances to keep what has happened from happening

The ORIGINAL system was created by people that "We the Sheeple.." now collectively vilify as "Illuminati"

THIS was the first flag of the USA

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Quoteit was changed for the worst by humans and humans can and have to change it back

Change has to come by POSITIVE action, not by ANARCHY... All Anarchy will accomplish is create gangs that will form their own pockets of control and pray on the weak around them


I have my 'Gang"  we will survive :P

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i will be working on it  -

what will you be doing ?
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Greetings, friend and esteemed Member Gigas:

One should be quick to point out that this Bill C-309 pertains to Canadian riots and/or 'unlawful assembly' and therefore affects Canadian Citizens and Any Other Masked Individual (AOMI) in Canada.   :P

As such, it shall be documented before potential disappearance from the web.



Wearing a mask at a riot is now a crime (http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/06/19/pol-mask-bill-royal-assent.html)

Maximum 10-year prison term for conviction of new offence
By Meagan Fitzpatrick, CBC News Posted: Jun 19, 2013 8:34 AM ET Last Updated: Jun 19, 2013 12:10 PM ET


"A bill that bans the wearing of masks during a riot or unlawful assembly and carries a maximum 10-year prison sentence with a conviction of the offence became law today.

Bill C-309, a private member's bill introduced by Conservative MP Blake Richards in 2011, passed third reading in the Senate on May 23 and was proclaimed law during a royal assent ceremony in the Senate this afternoon.

Richards, MP for Wild Rose, Alta., said the bill is meant to give police an added tool to prevent lawful protests from becoming violent riots, and that it will help police identify people who engage in vandalism or other illegal acts. The bill is something that police, municipal authorities and businesses hit hard by riots in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal and other cities in recent years, were asking for, according to Richards.


"The provisions of my bill are effective immediately, which means police officers across Canada now have access to these tools to protect the public from masked rioters,"


Richards said in a statement being released today.

The bill creates a new Criminal Code offence that makes it illegal to wear a mask or otherwise conceal your identity during a riot or unlawful assembly.

Exceptions can be made if someone can prove they have a "lawful excuse" for covering their face such as religious or medical reasons.

The bill originally proposed a penalty of up to five years, but the House of Commons justice committee amended it and doubled the penalty to up to 10 years in prison for committing the offence.

Richards noted in his statement how rare it is for a private member's bill to become law and said that its final passage is the culmination of two years of work and a lot of consultation with police and business owners.

Bill comes into force immediately upon royal assent

"We can all rest easier tonight knowing our communities have been made safer with its passage," said Richards.

The bill didn't have unanimous support, and was opposed by some who are concerned about its effect on freedom of expression and privacy. Critics said the measures are unnecessary because the Criminal Code already includes a section about wearing disguises while committing a crime.

Civil liberties advocates argued the measures could create a chilling effect on free speech and that peaceful protesters can unintentionally find themselves involved in an unlawful assembly.

They also noted that there are legitimate reasons for wearing masks at protests; some may be worried about reprisals at work, for example, if sighted at a political protest.

"Any law that infringes upon civil liberties needs to be held to a test of absolute necessity, and I don't think that test has been met in this instance," said Michael Byers, a political scientist at the University of British Columbia and a board member of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association, in an interview. Byers testified at the Commons justice committee that studied the bill.

Byers said freedom of expression was not properly factored into the design of the bill and that its measures could deter acts of political expression.

Richards argues that his bill will actually help protect the legitimate right to protest because it will help prevent illegitimate protesters from infiltrating a peaceful event and causing trouble. He also said police told him the existing Criminal Code provision about disguises is more geared toward armed robbery offences and is difficult to apply in protest situations.

In a recent interview, Richards said there is a lot of misunderstanding about his bill and that there will always be people who disagree with it.

He said he is proud to have identified a problem and created a solution.

The bill becomes law when it receives royal assent."



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Quote from: Gigas on July 28, 2013, 08:04:14 PM
BUT WAIT!!!

Think back to when they orchestrated katrina doom and cops in the midst of katrina realized it was futile to stop the human response syndrome. Cops watched and many just simply went home to their families.

It was the well trained hired contract killers who train for this very scenario who came on scene and began killing people.

Don't remember any contract killers that were hired. Only NOPD were there and some National Guard people...Any so-called killing was for the most part, justified...I know, I lived it. So be careful of passing along info that you only 'heard' about.

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on July 28, 2013, 10:56:45 PM
Don't remember any contract killers that were hired.

Only NOPD were there and some National Guard people...

Any so-called killing was for the most part, justified...I know, I lived it. So be careful of passing along info that you only 'heard' about.

Greetings esteemed Member Sgt.Rocknroll:

Nice commentary, and we offer this.

It actually depends on what you mean by 'contract killers.'   :P

We were 'assigned to' a 4-person unit of Blackwater 'agents' who were, shall we say, not 'free-lancers' on vacation, although the bunch was somewhat jocular for our taste, considering the magnitude of the situation at hand. We never did find out what they were up to - armed to the teeth with a tricked-out Humvee and a bus-like 'command vehicle'.

The Hummer looked something like this, but black. They yukked it up as to the cherry assignment and the vehicle that was a 'gift' from Border Patrol.    ;)

Hey Robomont, did you lose a vehicle on a run?   :P


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Although we were immediately dispatched to other areas upon effecting insertion of this unit's 'command vehicle', we witnessed no killing, except for an unfortunate alligator blocking access.   :P

Contract killers

QuoteThe company known for its private security work guarding senior US diplomats in Iraq beat the federal government and most aid organizations to the scene in another devastated Gulf. About 150 heavily armed Blackwater troops dressed in full battle gear spread out into the chaos of New Orleans. Officially, the company boasted of its forces "join[ing] the hurricane relief effort." But its men on the ground told a different story.

Some patrolled the streets in SUVs with tinted windows and the Blackwater logo splashed on the back; others sped around the French Quarter in an unmarked car with no license plates. They congregated on the corner of St. James and Bourbon in front of a bar called 711, where Blackwater was establishing a makeshift headquarters. From the balcony above the bar, several Blackwater guys cleared out what had apparently been someone's apartment. They threw mattresses, clothes, shoes and other household items from the balcony to the street below. They draped an American flag from the balcony's railing. More than a dozen troops from the 82nd Airborne Division stood in formation on the street watching the action.

The incident they tell as to how they saw it but other sources report it way different.

QuoteA possibly deadly incident involving Quinn's hired guns underscores the dangers of private forces policing American streets. On his second night in New Orleans, Quinn's security chief, Michael Montgomery, who said he worked for an Alabama company called Bodyguard and Tactical Security (BATS), was with a heavily armed security detail en route to pick up one of Quinn's associates and escort him through the chaotic city. Montgomery told me they came under fire from "black gangbangers" on an overpass near the poor Ninth Ward neighborhood. "At the time, I was on the phone with my business partner," he recalls. "I dropped the phone and returned fire."

Montgomery says he and his men were armed with AR-15s and Glocks and that they unleashed a barrage of bullets in the general direction of the alleged shooters on the overpass. "After that, all I heard was moaning and screaming, and the shooting stopped. That was it. Enough said."

http://www.alternet.org/story/25858/blackwater_down

The term contract killers is bs. If you are there to patrol & protect a city under siege, and you come under fire. You return fire. I've been there and done that. When animals come out to rob & terrorize. You take care of business. You have to have been there to understand!

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on July 28, 2013, 10:56:45 PM
Don't remember any contract killers that were hired. Only NOPD were there and some National Guard people...Any so-called killing was for the most part, justified...I know, I lived it. So be careful of passing along info that you only 'heard' about.

So your saying you had the situation fully within your scope of intel and all the information coming out of that event was not happenin, cause you lived it.

I have to raise an eyebrow to that. So, you may not be privy to any hired guns brought in by agencies and local business, killing people for perhaps looking suspicious and someone near danzigers bridge hears a loud bang and opens up with their heavily armed detail only wishing it be true. I don't know if this is true but there were reports of many people being killed from none MSM news outlets.

Look, I know well how intense situations go and I really know how it goes with contract killers heavily armed with authority.

One only has to google search for the stories.

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on July 29, 2013, 01:01:03 AM
The term contract killers is bs. If you are there to patrol & protect a city under siege, and you come under fire. You return fire. I've been there and done that. When animals come out to rob & terrorize. You take care of business. You have to have been there to understand!

Contract killers have contracts to use deadly force whether imaginary or not

The I guess soldiers are 'contract killers'?

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on July 29, 2013, 01:53:16 AM
The I guess soldiers are 'contract killers'?

Soldiers are voluntary enlisted with pretty enticement perks all bundled for military service and (some) become killers who upon end of service go on to private contract work as hired guns who are predatory killers. Like that sick hero, the late chris kyle who sniped and killed people as he hid behind walls with a high powered scope and rifle having no idea who he was killing, but was trained to reason, these are the bad guys in a conflict theatre.

We see the trained lust to kill with the randy weaver ruby ridge and waco debacles. Like a trained professional boxer gone street fighter, nothing can be more deadly.

I don't know you very well, but you really, really don't know what you're talking about. And that's all I've got to say and won't say anymore.

The feelings mutual

Published on Oct 7, 2013

   
Greetings:

This is a message to all the citizens of America.

In 1776 the founding fathers wrote the deceleration of independence, helping escalate the revolutionary war. A war against banks. A war against taxes and an oppressive state. A war against the greed of a few and their desire to control the  many.

In 1786 the United States constitution was written to protect the people from  tyranny and ensure freedom.

It is now 2013. And a similar war is starting. Not a war against drugs, not a  war against terror. A war against oppression and tyranny.

The U.S. Government is now controlled by corporations and banks. They  desire to control the many once more and are working hard to stop any form  of rebellion.

The time to act is now.

The government continues to kill, torture and oppress many innocent. This is  a call to you. Even if you're not being affected as much as others, being  human is to care about one another.

This November 5th. Rise against the real traitors. Rise against the people  behind the government. This is an aggressive stance to show we will live as  free men and women.

Wearing a mask is your choice. The mask represents anonymity, freedom and the right to live as humans. The  tyrants behind the government keep cracking down on us. Therefore we unite  as one. Not as a group. But as an idea. And ideas are bulletproof. For every one of us they take. Ten will rise in their place.

Do not let it end. For the only thing evil needs to succeed is us to do nothing.  Keep fighting. Join organizations that continue to push for change. Protesting just one day won't  bring freedom. They look at it as a storm that passes.

This is also a message to law enforcement and federal agents. Please open  your eyes. You are defending tyranny and they will lie to you calling us traitors  and terrorists. We want all people to live free and have the freedom to  pursue happiness.

And this is a message to you bankers.

Expect us.



This November 5th Join hundreds of thousands around the country and world  that will stand up and show they care about their rights.

Remember, Remember! The fifth of November.
Let this be a day they will never, ever, forget.


Find your local protest @ http://www.MILLIONMASKMARCH.org??Script: http://pastebin.com/4dqEmxHm?




Let me say this about that.
First off about whether the march is an Anon event, or if it is an "Assembly of the Awakened".

Wouldn't we all say that it is both?


Some are hackers, some are activists, some are writers, some are musicians, some are artists, some are farmers and some are loggers and bloggers. This has been the collective from the beginning. We all offer our specific talents to the cause and all without any monetary gain for ourselves.

We come from all around the world, we all have different religious beliefs, we all come from different backgrounds, but we all have one thing in common.


That is why this march truly is an Anonymous event, and also an "Assembly of the Awakened".

There aren't many sheeple that take up the Anonymous creed. Those that do, get weeded out or scared off pretty quickly by the collective.

To be an Anon, you just become one. Nobody can make you an Anon, and you can't join Anonymous. We are all Anonymous. If you believe that you want to take up the creed, walk the walk and talk the talk, then that is the only permission you need.




Published on Apr 10, 2012
The readers of Time Magazine have spoken.


The group which is nameless, faceless and leaderless has been causing mischief online all in the name of justice. Should we be surprised?

oops   


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Thanks for the inspiration zorgon.i agree w everything you said thor.i just posted on a thread earlier.we do not forgive.we do not forget.expect us.i didnt even know of the nov march.

Your welcome :D

So... what was this march actually about, anyways?

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on July 29, 2013, 01:53:16 AM
The I guess soldiers are 'contract killers'?

That's actually a rather good definition of a soldier.

People whom have signed a contract of employment, to kill if ordered.

Quote from: Gigas on July 29, 2013, 02:47:42 AM
Soldiers are voluntary enlisted with pretty enticement perks all bundled for military service and (some) become killers who upon end of service go on to private contract work as hired guns who are predatory killers. Like that sick hero, the late chris kyle who sniped and killed people as he hid behind walls with a high powered scope and rifle having no idea who he was killing, but was trained to reason, these are the bad guys in a conflict theatre.

We see the trained lust to kill with the randy weaver ruby ridge and waco debacles. Like a trained professional boxer gone street fighter, nothing can be more deadly.

Agreed.

Seems like your assesment is touching a nerve for old RocknRoll..

I like rock but he can be touchy.his knowledge is a blessing and im greatful for his input even if it doesnt go with the mainstream.the reason is because it gives a look inside the mind of a usa soldier.my x navy brother thinks the same way.my old friend thinks that way too.he is x airforce.they dont recognize the brainwashing.i dropped out of the marines because the brainwashing didnt stick.i easily saw through it.too easily.it takes a very strong mind.i didnt even realize it until later in life.thats why we agree to disagree.everybody here has value.even if we disagree.
But i agree the military are contract killers.the only good thing is the military is getting very week.the training nowadays is for wimps.most kids today couldnt survive more than a day outside.no real survival skills.boyscouts is dead in this country and thats where we use to get the skills.that and hunting and very few kids are willing to set still in a blind with freezing rain pouring on them.that was the norm twenty years ago in east texas.im 45 and a smoker and i can outrun my 16yr old daughter.shes one of the healthiest kids in her school.

Quote from: Sinny on November 06, 2013, 10:12:41 AM
Agreed.

Seems like your assesment is touching a nerve for old RocknRoll..

I don't have any nerves.... 8)

It's like saying a bride gets that ring...she becomes a wife....under this assesment, she becomes a whore...

Also I think a lot of people here don't know what they're talking about...(about a lot of things)....But hey that's just me...You have every right to be stupid... ;D  (me too)

Just to set the record straight...I'm very distrustful of the New Army under the Communist Dick-tator, Obama...Something is going on with a new MOS for Intermint specalist...Generals being fired... The DHS/IRS/TSA/GESTAPO running amok....sigh...yes I'm getting old.... :P

On my Facebook page I warn people that cops are not your friends, soldiers are not your friends....My cousin in Texas (former cop and Emergency head of Jefferson county quit talking to me...my other cousin,  works for DHS in Virginia quit talking to me...so if a few here quit talking to me...thats cool...I'm used to  it...

Peace
Rock....

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on November 06, 2013, 12:34:19 PM
It's like saying a bride gets that ring...she becomes a wife....under this assesment, she becomes a whore...

:o

I don't see the analogy.

QuoteYou have every right to be stupid... ;D  (me too)

Seconded.

Quote from: robomont on November 06, 2013, 11:04:16 AM
I like rock but he can be touchy.

What? me touchy? Jees.. ::) ;D

QuoteIt's like saying a bride gets that ring...she becomes a wife....under this assesment, she becomes a whore...

I understand that 100% Maybe a guy thing.

I think if a person is a pyscopath at heart, then they will find any place to get training to be a killer. Many ocupations carry weapons besides our troops. they just carry the best. Out of the millions of men and women in the service a few get missed in each occupation and cause a problem. It is not the majority as I see it. If it was they would be picking us off daily by the hundreds just for fun.

Deuem

Thanks for opening up to us sarge.i didnt realize you had seen the light.i have three cop cousins that i dont talk to either.

Quote from: deuem on November 06, 2013, 02:03:38 PM

Many ocupations carry weapons besides our troops. they just carry the best. Out of the millions of men and women in the service a few get missed in each occupation and cause a problem. It is not the majority as I see it.

Exactly Deuem,

And killing is not isolated to war either. Not that I am defending
war, though I do think that each nation should have a right
to defend itself, its peoples and resources...etc.

It is my opinion, and as Sarge has said something is
up within the MIC, it is being transformed into
a force that will be used against the people on a global scale.

Comes to mind "The Navy A Global Force for Good"

At first it was a handful of anonymous sources, but now
has surfaced several men who are willing to put their
face and name out there, along with a recording
of just how this insidious "change" is being brought
about.

Ideas for weak people who nevertheless want to fight back.
(people like me)

1. Use no credit.
2. Use free banking if you can get it.
3. Buy NOTHING new, except food if you can help it.
4. Learn to repair stuff, every single item you can re-life is a whole lot of money that doesn't move about. The banks and .gov make money every time you buy a new item.
5. Be honest to a fault.
6. Learn to be awkward and time consuming where neccesary. Offcialdom likes things easy for itself as much as it likes to complicate matters for you, so pay em back in the same coin. Make that next police stop, a half hour event. Make your tax matters fiendishly complicated, but keep it honest. ABOVE ALL, REMEMBER, It is the MASTER who asks the questions, make sure it is you. And whilst they are answering that last one, be thinking up the next one!
7. And IF you can get free banking, open as many accounts as you can, operate them all in a small credit, and keep moving your money about internally, whilst requesting statements on all accounts as often as they will send them IN THE POST.
8. Do not carry your driving licence. I haven't even had mine for a shade under twenty years now, yet the promised punishment has never materialised.
9. Read all your contracts carefully, and ask questions. Certainly here in the UK car insurance is so specific in the many many questions you need to answer, that in many cases it is invalidated if you change job, or if your relationship hits a rocky patch and you relocate even temporarily, be aware of this, because you don't want to find out that you were not insured when soemoen nicks your wheels...
10. NEVER take NO for an answer. As Deuem has illustrated, and I confirm, authority is vulnerable to creative thinking. Although, unlike Deuem, I'm way past using my powers to help anyone who considers themselves my superior, my job is to beat them, and I do regularly. Last time the council messed with me, I found the big bosses phone number, rang him up and told his secretary (well it was too much to expect him to answer his own phone, although I imagine that teh six page email I sent him will have got through...) that although I was in full understanding of my need to comply with the law, that the law didn't actually prevent me from using a private agency to find the mans home address and go pay him a tea time visit at his domicile, if they didn't stop friging about with me. Suddenly all those impediments to sorting out my problem melted away. Now they handle me very carefully.. I dont; care how nutty I come across as, the important thing for them to know is if you waste my time you are messing with an expert who will really SHOW you how timewasting is done properly.
11. Be determined to do whatever it takes, and only try to have ONE fight on the go at any one time, so as you can devote the time and energy required. NEVER EVER make a threat that you are not 100% intending and able to follow up on. 
12. Learn a bit of Law.
13. Remember that a mobile phone can suffer a loss of signal at any time, if you seem to be losing then a convenient "signal loss" can give you much needed time to regroup. After cutting them off whilst they were winning you can always turn your phone off for a while, whilst you plan strategy. (Pesky batteries give out all the time and it takes a while to get to a charger...)
14. Whilst doing all the above, remember to BE NICE and be earnest. If they realise that you are fighting, then the dirty tricks like "losing your file" can come out. OF course if they do that one, then you HAVE to call religiously every day to see if they have found it yet. And then after wards, every day to make sure that they can still put their hands on it...
15. If you are dealing with treacherous bastards like UK unemployement people, taking a sony recording walkman and setting up a stalk microphoen on the table is quite effective. They of course try to say you cannot do this, but you just point to teh unreliabilty of your own memory, refer to a previous occasion where it turned out that what YOU thought you had said, turned out to be a faulty recollection of events, and taht you are only trying to compensate for your personal failings in teh memory department, and they have no reason to not let you take a recording. Of course, they are friged then as far as lying to you goes and they know it.. Again (at least when I did it 20 years ago) the beaurocracy suddenly becomes super efficient.
16. Its the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. You now know what to do.

Remember WE outnumber THEM, and they ain't used to having to fight every inch of the way.

And finally, if anyone knows how I can get every customer of our DVLA (DMV) to send their paperwork in "SIGNED FOR" we'll soon see how they like them apples... (Don't forget to request to SEE the signature that your P.O. collects!)

FB. (Bleeding them slowly to death in as many ways as I can come up with, almost every day and telling people of my successes. Oh yes, every time you win, teach somone else how to do it as well!)

Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on November 06, 2013, 12:34:19 PM
It's like saying a bride gets that ring...she becomes a wife....under this assesment, she becomes a whore...

Actually....

The reason prostitution is not illegal is because of this :P Solicitation is the charge. :D technically when you buy your girl a fur coat or anything else in the expectation of getting sex...  well you can extrapolate :P

QuoteAlso I think a lot of people here don't know what they're talking about...(about a lot of things)....But hey that's just me...You have every right to be stupid... ;D  (me too)

Is the right to be stupid in the constitution?

::)

No it's God given! ;D