Pegasus Research Consortium

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdw_ikz2hBY


Alien Warning Message Live on TV in UK-"We Come to Warn you About your Race and your Planet" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdw_ikz2hBY)

Published on Jun 12, 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern... - Col. Donald Ware, U.S. Air Force (ret.) passes on this reminder of the time 37 years ago when the Star Visitors took over a British television program and broadcasted instead an important message for the people of Earth.



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[The transmission] occurred on 26 Nov 77 at 5:12 p.m. when a strange unknown voice overrode, took over, or super-modulated the TV signals from five transmitters that were monitored by the Independent Broadcasting Authority (IBA) in England.

IBA did not detect the intrusion. The 5+1/2-minute message overrode a scheduled newscast read by Ivor Mills on Southern ITV, England, and was heard by listeners as far away as Andover, London, Newbury, Oxford, Reading, Southhampton, and Winchester.

IBA engineers at Croydon, Surry did not hear the override, and at the main transmitter at Southhampton, Hants monitoring system, there was also no evidence of the takeover. A police spokesman told AP and UPI that the message was taken seriously:

"They were frightened and generally scared."

The voice spoke slowly and deliberately, with a strange inward authority, calm, serene, never scolding.

It said:



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This is the voice of Gramaha, the Representative of the Asta (Ashtar in some texts) Galactic Command speaking to you.

For many years now you have seen us as lights in the skies. We speak to you now in peace and wisdom as we have done to your brothers and sisters all over this, your planet earth.

We come to warn you of the destiny of your race and your worlds so that you may communicate to your fellow beings the course you must take to avoid the disasters which threaten your worlds and the beings on our worlds around you.

This is in order that you may share in the great awakening, as the planet passes into the New Age of Aquarius. The new age can be a time of great peace and evolution for your race, but only if your rulers are made aware of the evil forces that can overshadow their judgments.




For many years your scientists, governments and generals have not heeded our warnings; they have continued to experiment with the evil forces of what you call nuclear energy.

Atomic bombs can destroy the earth and the beings of your sister worlds, in a moment.


The wastes from atomic power systems will poison your planet for many thousands of your years to come.


We, who have followed the path of evolution for far longer than you, have long since realized this -- that




It has no peaceful application.

Its use, and research into its use, must be ceased at once, or you all risk destruction.

All weapons of evil must be removed.


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The time of conflict is now past and the race of which you are a part may proceed to the highest planes of evolution if you show yourselves worthy to do this.??You have but a short time to learn to live together in peace and goodwill.


Small groups all over the planet are learning this, and exist to pass on the light of the dawning new age to you all. You are free to accept or reject their teachings, but only those who learn to live in peace will pass to the higher realms of spiritual evolution.

Hear now the voice of Gramaha, the representative of the Asta (Ashtar in some texts) Galactic Command speaking to you. Be aware also that there are many false prophets and guides operating on your world. They will suck your energy from you -- the energy you call money and will put it to evil ends giving you worthless dross in return.??Your inner divine self will protect you from this.

You must learn to be sensitive to the voice within, that can tell you what is truth, and what is confusion, chaos and untruth.


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Learn to listen to the voice of truth which is within you, and you will lead yourselves on to the path of evolution.


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This is our message to you our dear friends.

We have watched you growing for many years as you too have watched our lights in your skies. You know that we are here, and that there are more beings on and around your earth than your scientists admit. We are deeply concerned about you and your path towards the light, and will do all we can to help you.

Have no fears, seek only to know yourselves and live in harmony with the ways of your planet earth.

We of the Asta Galactic Command thank you for your attention. We are now leaving the planes of your existence.

May you be blessed by the supreme love and truth of the Cosmos.

Southern Television broadcast interruption - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Television_broadcast_interruption)

Whether or not a given idea is genuine awareness raising on the one hand, or doom porn on the other, depends on the degree to which the idea can be proven to be true.

As one example, there were numerous predictions made that the comet Elenin, or the planet Nibiru, were both going to collide with the Earth, and destroy it.  These predictions have failed on multiple occasions, and we are still here; hence, baseless doom porn.

Another example is the degree of hysteria which is promoted, concerning the idea of Peak Oil, by individuals such as Michael Ruppert.  Ruppert essentially believes that when oil, being a non-renewable resource, runs out, then humanity's ability to generate electricity at all will expire with it, and large numbers of the population will die, with the remainder being forced to essentially return to a Paleolithic standard of living.

Said attitude ignores the number of renewable forms of power generation which are currently not utilised, due to economic greed where oil is concerned, but which very well could be, if said economic greed could be overcome.  It also overlooks the fact that oil is not the only substance from which plastic can be made.  Bioplastics are possible, as a derivative of hemp and numerous other plants.

So, again, Mr. Ruppert's philosophy is not legitimate awareness raising; it is doom porn.

Fukushima is a third example.  Despite the amount of hysteria I have seen regarding this disaster, it remains hypothetical.  I have not heard of anyone's standard of living (at least outside Japan) as having been adversely affected by the incident.  For all practical intents and purposes, it appears to have been contained.

So that, again, is fearmongering, or doom porn.

About Fukushima.  When They exploded the Trinity device in 1945, it wasn't until the early 1950's to mid 50's that a sudden increase of both lung and skin cancers began to crop up.  They didn't want to blame Their weapons testing lest We protest, so They blamed the skin cancers on the sun (and sold LOTS of sun screen) and the lung cancers on tobacco.

Point is...  5 to 10 years before the brunt of this will really hit.

Just sayin'.

Quote from: Amaterasu on August 11, 2013, 04:41:33 AM
Point is...  5 to 10 years before the brunt of this will really hit.

Just sayin'.

I suppose, then, as far as feeling terrified or suicidal about it is concerned, we should probably get in early, and beat the rush. ;)

I am of the opinion there are ways to fix the problem, based on what I have seen of this world.  I persist in believing We WILL restore Our planet.

Quote from: Amaterasu on August 11, 2013, 04:53:11 AM
I am of the opinion there are ways to fix the problem, based on what I have seen of this world.  I persist in believing We WILL restore Our planet.

Amy, as long as solutions are what we are talking about, I am as much in support of that as anyone else.  My only reservation is towards the promotion of hysteria when nothing else is done.

sheep need fire under there asses to get things done.ie 911.ten years later.our country is almost in ruin.
the same thing is being done today for somebodies finacial profit.

Questions...

1) Of what use is AWARENESS if NO ONE will do anything?

2)Is it important that the posts of this 'awareness' are actually TRUE? (80% of doom porn is false)

3) How many on Pegasus have;

a) A 72 hour bug out bag handy for every family member?
b) An escape plan?


There are more quetions but those will do :D

Quote from: Amaterasu on August 11, 2013, 04:53:11 AM
I am of the opinion there are ways to fix the problem, based on what I have seen of this world.  I persist in believing We WILL restore Our planet.

It's not our planet :P we are merely short term tenants. And Ma Nature could restore it quite easily and quickly by replacing us with a new species :D Don't forget that the Reptiles ruled here for several HUNDRED MILLION YEARS before Nature wiped them out..

We have only been here a mere pitence and already Mother is annoyed :D

Quote from: petrus4 on August 11, 2013, 09:11:20 AM
Amy, as long as solutions are what we are talking about, I am as much in support of that as anyone else.

Would it not be better to DO SOMETHING about it rather than TALK about doing something about it?

Let's take one small example...

TRASH

Our world is being buried by TRASH  Its floating in the oceans, its all over the country side and third world nations just toss there trasj into the very water they drink and swim in...

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Now me... I am part of the solution....

ALL my trash is processed... the only thing that goes to the garbage bin is a small bag of dog poop. :D

Here is how...

All metal cans go to the scrap yard for cash, including all metal scrap of any kind I find... last time I took it in a single trunk load netted $185.00 CASH

Plastic, glass, paper and cardboard go out on recycle day and get collected

Burnables go into the firepit and ashes go into the compost

Yard waste mulched and into the compost or straight into the garden

Meat scraps to the dogs

Nothing left but the dog poop :D

If EVERYONE did this... there would be no need for land fills

Simple huh? 

If your not part of the solution, your part of the problem

Quote from: Amaterasu on August 11, 2013, 04:41:33 AM
About Fukushima. 
Point is...  5 to 10 years before the brunt of this will really hit.
Just sayin'.

Nevada test site, where the Yucca Mountain complex is had hundreds of nukes in ground and above ground... The ground is saturated with Plutonium that has a half life of around 25,000 years

Chernobyl was a SINGLE reactor that had a core meltdown that is STILL GOING... they covered it with a concrete bunker that was made to last 25 years. That was 50 years ago and its rotting. Germany has a plan for a new one... but Chernobly will be HOT for about 100,000 years

Fukushima had THREE total melt downs and the fourth with all the fuel rods is a ticking time bomb. There is NO WAY that we have with current technology to cover or stop those meltdowns and they are on the edge of the ocean and on cracked ground

Most people have forgotten about Chernobly and even Fukushima...

But ya want DOOM PORN?

Ya ain't seen NOTHING yet baby :D

the subjects brought up here are all part of that race to the botttom that happens with capatalism.sure i like the toys it has brought me.but capatalism will fail if its not hinged with enviromentalism.personally i think weve ruined enough ground and now we must recover it or redirect all future toxic industries to those same grounds.
the thing that makes me most nervous is dow schlumberger.thay are the folks doing the fracking and dow is a chemical giant with loads of toxic chemicals they need to get rid of.this is a win win for them.they get paid to frack and charge money for worthless chem they use to have to dispose of in expensive ways.now they just inject in to ground.a severe quake could force those liquids to the surface and create miles of toxic dead zones.
personally ive already bugged out.

Quote from: zorgon on August 11, 2013, 11:57:21 AM
Chernobyl was a SINGLE reactor that had a core meltdown that is STILL GOING... they covered it with a concrete bunker that was made to last 25 years. That was 50 years ago and its rotting. Germany has a plan for a new one... but Chernobly will be HOT for about 100,000 years

According to Wikipedia, a new shelter was supposed to have been built in 2005, but now it's supposed to be finished in 2015, at the limit of the expected life of the sarcophagus.

If the containment works, the experts say that the rate of radiation emission will get lower, so it will probably take longer. :)

The single biggest problem, where this issue is concerned, is the fact that a lot of people simply want to spew negativity and wallow in conflict and drama, purely for its' own sake.  When called on it, many will claim that they are raising or promoting awareness; but in reality, most of the time that is simply a superficially plausible excuse.

The fact is that nobody really benefits from information about things like Fukushima.  Nobody outside Japan has any ability to do anything direct about it, and so all information about it is likely to do, is promote, enhance, or cause fear.

So you can keep making excuses for it, and keep claiming that you are doing something worthwhile, as much as you like.  I've seen more than enough different groups of people online, to know how strong the psychological addiction and commitment can be, to drama and conflict, purely for said conflict's own sake. 

A lot of the time people want the stimulation, simply to avoid getting bored.  Sometimes, as I've read elsewhere, it can also be due to a subconscious death wish.  People (especially Americans, given the current state of that country) who are obsessed with Nibiru or other such potential disasters, are often sufficiently miserable about the state of their lives, that they would actually like to die; but they possibly view suicide as being immoral, or worry about how it would affect loved ones etc.  The idea of Nibiru or Fukushima etc is therefore seen as welcome, because it gives them an excuse and a way out.  If these disasters end up killing them, then they get what they want, without having to seem directly responsible for it.

I consider promoting information about Monsanto or genetically engineered food as being valuable, because the March Against Monsanto proved that that was an issue, where something could actually be done about it.

So I think that whenever you are going to post something, that is a good rule of thumb.  Ask yourself the question, "Is the issue that I am posting about, something which anybody has a concrete ability to change, or do I just want to wallow in panic and sensationalism, and drag other people down with me?"

If the answer to the second question is yes, then it is doom porn, and we would collectively be better off if you refrained from posting it.  One thing that the obsession with fear that has taken over in the last 20 years has taught me, is that the direct cause of 80% of our current problem, is actually the degree of fear and pessimism, in and of itself, that people feel about said situation.  Generally speaking, someone's negative emotions are always going to be out of proportion, to whatever situation has generated those emotions.

If you want to do something really useful, try generating awareness of positive events instead.  You're still promoting awareness, but you might just be promoting the awareness of something which could cause someone to want to continue to live, rather than the opposite. 

It's this fact; the fact that when people claim to be raising awareness, they still exclusively promote apocalyptic, depressing, or terrifying information, that really demonstrates what a lie the "I'm just raising awareness," excuse truly is.  This is because there are always going to be positive events occurring somewhere in the world as well as negative, but most of the time, we are not interested in sharing information about those.

So despite the fact that spreading positive information and doom porn are both forms of awareness raising, most people still want to go for the latter.  Engaging in uplifting behaviour, just isn't viewed as anywhere near as exciting or fun, for most people.  I'm not sure why that is; but I think for the most part, it is probably just a habit.

you may be correct about habits.

i think there are too many sheep.we are overwhelmed.ive thought of moving into a group and invading mexico.claiming some land and creating a more stable gov.
the ignorance is bliss seems to be the common mantra.dont fight the system.dont rock the boat.they dont even have the effort to go on line.the tv has them hypnotized.i saw fox deliberately attempt propaganda on the foodstamp thing.its discusting.or the travon thing that now they are asking why the public is devided on it.heck them along with the rest of msm made it a racial thing.
we all saw them try to divide us .they will continue.all i know to do is dodge the bullets.

Quote from: thorfourwinds on August 11, 2013, 05:43:21 PM

100% FAIL

Don't worry, it happens to all.  ;)

QuoteNo one, not even one of You, Dear Reader, even mentioned the point about humanity's shortcomings and potential demise being addressed by 'aliens'.   :P

Probably because nobody is interested in an almost 40 years old hoax.  :P

Quote1) What about the Message?

It's the same thing many humans have been saying, why should we give more importance to that one?

Quote2) What about the Messenger?

Unknown, what is to say about it? ???

QuoteMost of the time, our threads go virtually un-noticed (much like Matrix's   :P ) so we subsequently quit posting timely updates on Fukushima - not because of any 'Doom Porn" angle - but because of an apparent lack of audience interest.

People get used to it (whatever "it" may be), so it becomes part of the scenery and, as such, "invisible".

i agree armap.its basically going as i partially hypothesized.we who are  informed see how this plays out.it wont be a surprise and we know how to reduce exposiur.thats about all we can do.that or move southern part of earth.it looks like suicide is what tptb want though.for all humans.

Question 3a & b:   I burn wood for heat and have backup water that's hand pumped.  One deep cycle battery, two solar panels and one connected fluorescent.  Also, a modest garden.

Prepping?  Remember NECESSARY prescription drugs!  What's the point of 1000 rounds and 30 days food if you die from a stroke or diabetic coma?

Quote from: Eighthman on August 11, 2013, 07:36:43 PM
Prepping?  Remember NECESSARY prescription drugs!  What's the point of 1000 rounds and 30 days food if you die from a stroke or diabetic coma?

That's one of the reasons I don't get too worried about it, without medication I will probably will not last long. :)

Quote from: petrus4 on August 11, 2013, 02:47:31 PMI've seen more than enough different groups of people online, to know how strong the psychological addiction and commitment can be, to drama and conflict, purely for said conflict's own sake.

EXACTLY!!!!

It is the same reason SOAP OPERAS are so popular in the USA :D

I have been on FB for a few weeks... mostly because of a few people like Joe Resnick and Jack Arneson are on there..  I see it daily how the peeps are sharing doom porn, but MOST of the stories are from suspect sites and just plain lies created to feed the fear.

No one cares because the lie feed what they WANT to believe.  If you point out that the article is an outright LIE they call you a shill and even block you... then go and share the lie with comments like "See? look at THIS... told you so"

Snowden daily has 'revealed new stuff'  And the stupid blind sheep retweet and like and share the lies/  It gets so bad that anyone trying to share real truth is lost in the noise

One guy is working hard to share the Fukushima stuff  Jim Lee (a bit egotistical and claiming work as his own (he has been doing it for 2 years)) I pointed out to him our ATS thread :P )

But even he has been using the Tsunami wave map as the radiation leak map (as I did in error that Armap pointed out ;) )  Why? Because he KNOW people will react to the image and not care about the truth  And yeah the real radiation map is not quite as spectacular as the Tsunami map :P

here's another piece


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years ago i worked underground doing mushroom growing research
in limestone mines..huge..mostly safe..painted white and well lite
but the joke from old timers was:
if there's a cave in .. don't run for the doorways where you are safer..
it will only take you longer to die there..
go for the center and be crushed fast...


i used to think this was awful
but if i have to prep for the end only to die anyway
....sigh

getting old and slower kinda makes you think differently

but haveing said that
does not mean i am sad and anxiety ridden
nope
i enjoy every blessed moment of this wonderous existense

Quote from: robomont on August 11, 2013, 12:32:50 PM
the subjects brought up here are all part of that race to the botttom that happens with capatalism.sure i like the toys it has brought me.but capatalism will fail if its not hinged with enviromentalism.personally i think weve ruined enough ground and now we must recover it or redirect all future toxic industries to those same grounds.
the thing that makes me most nervous is dow schlumberger.thay are the folks doing the fracking and dow is a chemical giant with loads of toxic chemicals they need to get rid of.this is a win win for them.they get paid to frack and charge money for worthless chem they use to have to dispose of in expensive ways.now they just inject in to ground.a severe quake could force those liquids to the surface and create miles of toxic dead zones.
personally ive already bugged out.

The problem is not capitalism.  It is money as debt and, really, money to begin with.

As for trash...  Personal "recycling" is commendable, but the problem stems mostly from PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE.  If You REALLY want to do something, promote ideas that remove the MOTIVE for planned obsolescence.

Quote from: Amaterasu on August 11, 2013, 09:20:54 PMIf You REALLY want to do something, promote ideas that remove the MOTIVE for planned obsolescence.

The motive for planned obsolescence is capitalism.  :P

Amy although I do agree with what you say mate, sometimes people need some simple habbit's to learn a bigger picture though.

In my case I changed a simple habbit of throwing used tape rolls into trash and paper off cut's.  After a week of collecting what I daved paper wise I went and weighed it and found out over the course of a year that I have saved pretty much a kilo of paper waste per week that can be recycled. 

Its pretty damn amazing what can be done when people stop following the status qou.  People at my my work minus a few think its nutz i did that years ago... And I still hear folke saying they are basically too stupid to recycle. 

I grew up with the Wombles on TV. I am not a hoarder by any means. but seeing what I used is being recycled is Grand :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIxkqoNi8I4

Quote from: ArMaP on August 11, 2013, 09:31:28 PM
The motive for planned obsolescence is capitalism.  :P

Spoken like a true sociliast  ;D

Quote from: ArMaP on August 11, 2013, 09:31:28 PM
The motive for planned obsolescence is capitalism.  :P

No...  It's PROFIT.  In any scarcity paradigm solution some will seek more than others and the psychopaths will succeed.

Quote from: Amaterasu on August 11, 2013, 10:00:45 PM
No...  It's PROFIT.

From Wikipedia. :)

Capitalism is an economic system in which capital assets are privately owned and items are brought to market for profit. In a capitalist economy, the parties to a transaction determine the prices at which assets, goods, and services are exchanged. Central elements of capitalism include capital accumulation, competitive markets and wage labor.

Yes, profit motive does emerge from a capitalist solution.  Profit motive emerges in ALL scarcity paradigm solutions.

Quote from: zorgon on August 11, 2013, 11:38:15 AM
Questions...

1) Of what use is AWARENESS if NO ONE will do anything?

tis true the majority of the people are sheeple, but without prodding them along I doubt if any will become aware; a small percentage is, and more are starting to look about a bit...

Quote2)Is it important that the posts of this 'awareness' are actually TRUE? (80% of doom porn is false)

to a degree; info about true happenings is important, is no denying it, yet the falsehoods might motivate those that would otherwise not be inclined to do ought...

Quote3) How many on Pegasus have;

a) A 72 hour bug out bag handy for every family member?
b) An escape plan?

can't speak for the others, Z, but I have been making preps since the first whispers about Y2K began... and have never stopped... I live in a rural area on top of a small mountain; have a deep rock well with pump; couple of generators; farm tractor and tiller; seed stock; wood heater big enough to do the whole house if needed( and am checking on a window unit pellet stove  ;D) food stock to do for quite some time; a large variety of tools, couple of 4-wheelers if needed, firearms and ammunition for hunting and defense, canning supplies...

all my children have bug out bags in their cars; my son in law the Gunny and my daughter have sufficent bug out accomadations to carry them from texas to here even if they have to walk...

QuoteThere are more questions but those will do :D

More people need to think, Z; at any given moment there is a 3 day supply of food on hand in the country; major calamity happens, power grid goes down, or the trucks can't roll, shelves in the stores will be bare p d q...



seeker

Well...  I have nothing.  [shrug]  When TSHTF, I am prolly screwed.

Quote from: ArMaP on August 11, 2013, 09:31:28 PM
The motive for planned obsolescence is capitalism.  :P

Quote from: Amaterasu on August 11, 2013, 10:00:45 PM
No...  It's PROFIT.

Last time I checked Capitalism is about Profit :P And planned obsolescence is necessary :D  I have a mirowave oven made by Citizen...  its like the Energizer Bunny  still going  I bought it when I was 20... over 40 years ago...

But that company couldn't survive... no Profit in making stuff that lasts forever.  So all those people out of work :P

I also have two 100 watt light bulbs  Had those over 40 years too... and they were original in the aaprtment building they tore down. I had six but 4 have gotten broken over the years... Not burn out just broken.  One I have hanging outside in the weather... still going :D

Quote from: Amaterasu on August 12, 2013, 05:04:19 AM
Well...  I have nothing.  [shrug]  When TSHTF, I am prolly screwed.

Well if ya have nothing then you also have nothing to lose :P I don't see it making much of a difference :P

But you could sit in that cozy cottage and make quilts... Do you have any idea how much a hand stitched quilt sells for these days?

Pioneer women used to sit by candle light in small cabins and do just that... :P

Quote from: zorgon on August 12, 2013, 10:01:14 AM
Last time I checked Capitalism is about Profit :P And planned obsolescence is necessary :D

Von Mises wrote that the process is supposed to reward companies/individuals for the creation of new markets.

In other words, no; forced obsolescence is not necessary.  It is lazy; and it is a perversion even of Capitalism itself as a system.  It is a means of creating artificial scarcity; which again, is easier than creating genuinely new markets, which is how the system is really supposed to work.

Quote from: the seeker on August 12, 2013, 04:40:03 AM
tis true the majority of the people are sheeple, but without prodding them along I doubt if any will become aware; a small percentage is, and more are starting to look about a bit...

That is why we need NEW SHEPHERDS  not to prod the sheep and wake them then let them wander aimlessly (like Anon and Occupy :P )  But true Shepherds with the good of the people in mind that can LEAD the sheep to a new purpose.... THAT is the only way things will change... the same way a mere handful of men led a mere 20% of "We the people..." to take over from Britain

Quoteto a degree; info about true happenings is important, is no denying it, yet the falsehoods might motivate those that would otherwise not be inclined to do ought...

If 10% of the info is true and 90% is false... and the false info is what is spread to the Sheep because it feeds what they WANT TO BELIEVE... then what purpose is served?

If you then try to tell people what is trrue and you get shouted down as a shill... while they tweet and share the false story... then what purpose is served?

And WHO creates the false stories? Is it hoaxers out for sh!ts and giggle ) or lulz like Anon hackers :P ) Or is it agents that are deliberatelt fear mongering?  Which is it  do you (generic you) know? Because I don't  Who does Sorcha Fall work for?  BeforeItsNews  has 50% good stories and 50% pure BS  WHY? ... what purpose is served?

Quotecan't speak for the others, Z, but I have been making preps since the first whispers about Y2K began... and have never stopped... I live in a rural area on top of a small mountain; have a deep rock well with pump; couple of generators; farm tractor and tiller; seed stock; wood heater big enough to do the whole house if needed( and am checking on a window unit pellet stove  ;D) food stock to do for quite some time; a large variety of tools, couple of 4-wheelers if needed, firearms and ammunition for hunting and defense, canning supplies...

Being prepared is AWESOME  I did a thread on that at the beginning but it was lost  I will have to do it again. I have a pantry with a years supply of food... three freezers I picked up for next to nothing used  (but currently don't have a generator)  We created the pantry not so much for a SHTF scenario but to save money. I was getting free stuff from the conventions... and we would shop at closeouts and end of lines and specials... store stuff that has a long shelf life (glass jars, dry goods)

We save a ton of money because you pick up stuff say at Kmart markdown where mt daughter bought 7.99 blocks of foil wrapped Velvita cheese for 50 cents each.. She brought home 14 3 lb blocks

I will redo that thread... because being prepare has many levels and needs a plan C  Look at New Orleans... if that happened here my pantry would be under water :D

Quoteall my children have bug out bags in their cars; my son in law the Gunny and my daughter have sufficent bug out accomadations to carry them from texas to here even if they have to walk...

Cool  did you add toilet paper? :P  And Koolaid packages are great  light weight and will make water taste better ;) especially with kids along

QuoteMore people need to think, Z; at any given moment there is a 3 day supply of food on hand in the country; major calamity happens, power grid goes down, or the trucks can't roll, shelves in the stores will be bare p d q...

Japan was in trouble after the Tsunami hit for several reasons... but here are a few things I noticed that shocked me

1) they had no food because they don't shop like we do and have food in the house

2) their pride made them leave food ROT in the stores while people were starving

3) They had no gasoline for the cars that were still operational  BUT all around them there were cars wrecked with full gas tanks

4) They were cold and wet.... yet it was TWO WEEKS before I saw the first makeshift lean too and someone making a fire... yet there was wood debris all around

5) They had no drinking water... yet it was snowing (before Fukushima radiation was an issue) yet no one took a pot of water and melted and boiled the snow

Shock to be sure... but more so because people have lost the basic skills of how to survive.

Here in the US there are survivalists, boy scouts and medieval groups that would take charge and get things going fast... but then again  look at how New Orleans handled the crisis...  Bush was congratulating FEMA teams that hadn't even deployed yet  :P

RULE NUMBER 1  in an emergency  Fend for yourself and family FIRST  Then once you are secured THEN you can see about helping others... 

Quote from: petrus4 on August 12, 2013, 10:29:21 AM
It is a means of creating artificial scarcity; which again, is easier than creating genuinely new markets, which is how the system is really supposed to work.

And where do you create NEW markets when countries like China are creating their own markets AND taking ours? :P  (which is the main reason we have such high unemployment and as we lose our house China is buying the foreclosures ;) )

Canada taught India how to grow wheat... India paid attention and then took Canada's wheat markets leaving Canadian farmers needing government subsidies while their wheat rotted in the silos and train cars

One of the reasons I stay where I am is because I am 300 miles from the ocean and 1100' above sea level; my sources told me long ago that my area is considered a safe zone if some of the theorized earth changes ala the new Madrid popping ...

I also agree good Shepherds are needed; if they don't get killed for their efforts...


seeker

QuoteI also agree good Shepherds are needed; if they don't get killed for their efforts...

just stay least in sight till you are needed...you'll know when


my quest started after reading the cayce stuff way back in the 70's..
safe area.. yep same as seeker's info
built a library of how to books for every concievable thing..
cause there was only so much i could do myself
no plans on leaving so made  it very defensible
hubby hunts and butchers..venison is goot eats
got a green house, garden. can and do save seeds
generator that runs on natural gas
got a source of natural gas, grew a huge garden
taught myself food prep skills
did primative camping for years with the horses...good tool for learning
medical basics  are improtant and can be handled with minimal supplies
can clean dirty water...distilling is not that hard
but right now water is my only worry
don't know how to test for radiation in it and working on learning
originally figured i could keep 17 or more alive for a year
but
getting older and having to re-thinking some things
but still ready
;D

Quote from: zorgon on August 12, 2013, 10:10:53 AM
Well if ya have nothing then you also have nothing to lose :P I don't see it making much of a difference :P

But you could sit in that cozy cottage and make quilts... Do you have any idea how much a hand stitched quilt sells for these days?

Pioneer women used to sit by candle light in small cabins and do just that... :P

1.  I have My life to lose.

2.  I have zero patience for needlework, and I doubt I can make quilts with nothing, and if TSHTF, who is going to buy quilts?

3.  Good for those pioneer women.

Quote from: zorgon on August 12, 2013, 10:38:40 AM
That is why we need NEW SHEPHERDS  not to prod the sheep and wake them then let them wander aimlessly (like Anon and Occupy :P )  But true Shepherds with the good of the people in mind that can LEAD the sheep to a new purpose.... THAT is the only way things will change... the same way a mere handful of men led a mere 20% of "We the people..." to take over from Britain

Um...  That's MY role.  I offer a PLAN, a direction to GO.

lil otter

try to find a copy of nuclear war survival skills by kresson h Kearny; it has a lot of useful info and also details how to build a simple rad meter out of common things that works  8)

as I am getting older I have also tried to instill the needed skills in my kids and hopefully in my grandkids...

the pity is the majority of the general population does not have any survival skills; at all... unless it involves clubbing and/or shooting their neighbor for their supplies...


seeker

Quote from: zorgon on August 12, 2013, 10:42:02 AM
Canada taught India how to grow wheat... India paid attention and then took Canada's wheat markets leaving Canadian farmers needing government subsidies while their wheat rotted in the silos and train cars

The point is to come up with new commodities entirely.  Internet bandwidth, graphene, plant-based plastics, perhaps.  Real innovation is not encouraged; and in the meantime, we get Google moving the interface elements of YouTube around, every three months or so, purely so that they can claim that they are "innovating."

thanks seeker

it's on my list for my book store trip later this week

:-*

Quotethe pity is the majority of the general population does not have any survival skills; at all... unless it involves clubbing and/or shooting their neighbor for their supplies...

yeah had a conversation with a few neighbors on the night out this last week...i thought it was a good opportunity to start some conversations about being ready.. if only in light of the weather disasters that are in the news..
i was amazed..truly amazed as what some of them thought was prepared for just a 48 hour lights out storm..
and they all walked away thinking i was nuttier that they had thought before....
sigh

Hey Thor, email me over that big green sticky bud man. ;D

thats nice tfw

Greetings!

I am new here but as synchronicity deems it, this seems like an appropriate thread to get involved in.

Actually I have to be honest, I have not read this full thread but I do understand there is talk about nuclear energy. I imagine in these pages is a discussion about Fukushima and the effects it is having on the environment.

Nancy Hutchinson recently posted on a noted conspiracy site about how she and John have produced radio frequencies that "turn down" or mitigate radiation effects.

They are looking for people who want to get involved with the research, you would need a rad detector and computer with internet. They are also looking for specialty help like computer and math.

The idea is to network computers emitting these radio frequencies to form a radiation shield.

I have jumped in because it seems this tech could be used on a spiritual level as well. I imagine people with good hearts meditating to background frequencies with intention of ridding the world of harmful radiation.

Imagine the radio frequencies directed at Fukushima, life ray, the name of their non profit. I do not know if that is their intent but it is certainly the vibe I get.

Radio frequencies are everywhere everyday and not harmful to humans, well in comparison to radiation that is.

It make sense on multiple levels, if it works. We can help find out.

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The 'deep-cover plans' are on a need-to-know basis.   :P     :-*



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Quote from: Soloma on August 14, 2013, 07:51:26 PM
They are looking for people who want to get involved with the research, you would need a rad detector and computer with internet. They are also looking for specialty help like computer and math.

I would love to help out...  Sadly, I have no rad detector, nor $ to get one.

I can run most any software, but am NOT a programmer, and surely not a mathematician.  I am mathematically challenged.

I am an economist and offer a planetary solution...

Analysis:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=657.0
PLAN:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2759.0
Governance:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2103.0

Beyond that, if a place for Me can be found...  Let Me know.

Quote from: Amaterasu on August 14, 2013, 09:07:56 PM
I would love to help out...  Sadly, I have no rad detector, nor $ to get one.

I can run most any software, but am NOT a programmer, and surely not a mathematician.  I am mathematically challenged.

I am an economist and offer a planetary solution...

Analysis:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=657.0
PLAN:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2759.0
Governance:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2103.0

Beyond that, if a place for Me can be found...  Let Me know.

I have extended Zorgon`s invitation to Nancy and John to stop by here. Looking forward to checking out your planetary solutions, thank you for the links.

Quote from: Amaterasu on August 14, 2013, 09:07:56 PM
I would love to help out...  Sadly, I have no rad detector, nor $ to get one.

I can run most any software, but am NOT a programmer, and surely not a mathematician.  I am mathematically challenged.

I am an economist and offer a planetary solution...

Analysis:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=657.0
PLAN:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2759.0
Governance:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2103.0

Beyond that, if a place for Me can be found...  Let Me know.

I believe you can message her directly now.

I will, thanks!

Quote from: Amaterasu on August 14, 2013, 09:07:56 PM
I would love to help out...  Sadly, I have no rad detector, nor $ to get one.

I can run most any software, but am NOT a programmer, and surely not a mathematician.  I am mathematically challenged.

I am an economist and offer a planetary solution...

Analysis:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=657.0
PLAN:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2759.0
Governance:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=2103.0

Beyond that, if a place for Me can be found...  Let Me know.

If your Mathematically challenged, are you sure you want to start tampering with the economy? :P

Aha - just messin - any idea has got to be better than Fiat currency :)

LOL!  I have basic math down, and for economics, not much else is needed.  Though some try and get fancy in Their estimations of what to expect...

And "fiat" currency is NOT the problem.  That is the line We are fed from Those who HAVE gold and want currency tied to gold so as to enrich Themselves.

Shells worked.  Beads worked.  Other such things worked.  None were "backed" by anything.

What the REAL problem is, is INTEREST.  And I don't care if it's .5% or 35%.  ANY time interest is charged, unpayable debt is created.

Consider:  I have $100.  It's all the money there is.  I lend it to You at X% interest.  You can give Me back the $100 - but there is no way for You to pay back the interest, and You become eternally indebted to Me.

But interest-free money is not much better, in that, in ALL money systems, the psychopaths WILL matriculate to the top of the money/power heap.  Even if everyOne started with the same amount, over some span of time, what WILL emerge is poverty and privilege, greed, wage/debt slavery, oppression, war profiteering, and the psychopaths doing ANYTHING to get to the top of the heap.

So...  The solution is to remove the need to exchange to survive richly.  And when the reason We exchange is examined, it becomes clear that We are accounting for meaningful energy expended.  "I put in all this energy to grow these zucchini.  I'm not just going to GIVE them to You.  You must give Me something YOU expended energy to acquire."

The reason THAT became important is because We did not have enough Human energy to give EVERYONE zucchini (or whatever), so the zucchini grower could profit more by trading than giving away the zucchini.

Now, however, We can access the free energy and have built machines that can do any NECESSARY job no One WANTS to do, releasing Us from having to force, coerce or bribe (pay) People to do jobs no One wants to do.

Ahh yes, ye olde never-ending debt.

Makes me laugh because the problem in the current system is so easy to spot, straight from the off. I keep trying to explain to people that this 'recession' is a robbery - and bailing out the banks is just another penny pinching illusion - any smart ten year old could probably point out the flaw - and yet the masses are afraid to ask 'who's in charge of the money?!'.

Gold...I was just about to start an investigation into gold, varying from Fort Knox, The Twin Towers,  Gold Bonds, and generally.....Who's got all the Gold?!

I'm under the impression that the solutions for our economy include:

*Reverting back to Gold Standard.
*Socialising the Banks (Government Rule, no interest etc. Printing in-keeping with population, no 'inflation'..), obviously this would require a government ruled by it's populace  ::)
*Something like Abundance

The gold standard would merely empower Those who have hoarded the gold.  At this point, China, Russia, US, Germany, and other governments have done the hoarding and plan on coming out "on top" when the money is once again tied to gold.

And then We STILL have to deal with the problems inherent in needing to exchange to survive.  And the psychopaths will still be in charge.

So...  The solution seems to be to flood the world with free energy and focus on filling NECESSARY jobs with robots where there are no Humans who WANT to do the work.

Necessary work:  farming, supplying water, distribution, building, providing clothing...

UNnecessary work:  banking, insurance, cashiering, accounting, advertising, Wall Street, weapons production, and any other job that is not required to provide food, clothing, housing, water to Humans.

This is not to say that all UNnecessary work will cease - PLENTY who love to do things - like making movies, painting murals, researching cures, archaeology, geology, building robots, teaching, and so on - who will be free to do these things with Betterment Ethic applied in most cases (only the psychopaths (4%) - now equal to all Others - might try something outside of Betterment, but even They will see that Their reputation is where They will see "profit" or "loss" and Betterment motives profit One; any other causes a loss).

Rather than keep a system of money - since JUST NOW in Human history (that We know of) We are in a position to eliminate it and its problems in Our society - Let's spread awareness that We CAN end poverty, CAN end oppression, CAN end greed, CAN end wage/debt slavery, CAN end war through ending war profiteering, CAN end power over Others in favor of autonomous power over Self and no Others.

Git 'er DONE!

Quote from: Sinny on August 15, 2013, 06:04:45 PM
Gold...I was just about to start an investigation into gold, varying from Fort Knox, The Twin Towers,  Gold Bonds, and generally.....Who's got all the Gold?!

Start here :D

A Conspiracy Theory: The Leprechauns and the Missing Trillions
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=392.msg10163#msg10163

As for GOLD and SILVER that is one way to get out of debt :D

It is relatively easy to find :)

Quote from: Sinny on August 15, 2013, 06:04:45 PM
Ahh yes, ye olde never-ending debt.

Well debt has an end IF you learn the rules of the game

The SECRET is to play the game using their own rules


Take a MORTGAGE for example  I will use mine as an example because I am currently at the half way point

Years ago when interest rates first dropped we re financed at 6.9% for a 30 year fixed mortgage FHA backed

FHA means you pay an extra 200.00ish for FHA insurance that can protect you for up to a year ( I know one case of 15 months) of no payments. That money goes into a fund that you can get back later (most of it)

Okay so 6.9% is not so bad  and once you reach the halfway point every month more and more goes to your principal

Now along comes Obama and his refinance deal.... drop your interest to 3% and refinance... you pay only 600.00 a month instead of 1000.00 


Well what they don't tell you is that you are staring over again and you start paying only interest again.  And most people will add a few thousand to use their equity ITS A TRAP

Do NOT refinance UNLESS you are in danger of loosing the house

If you cannot make your payments then yes a refinance will help because it will lower your monthly payment (even though you have to pay LONGER) but you keep the house. And don't forget you need a place to live. If you didn't have a mortgage you would be paying rent anyway  but with renting  at the end of the month you own nothing.

Sure interest is important in THIS PARADIGM The lower it is the easier on you.

Don't forget that you need a mortgage BECAUSE you don't have the cash to buy it outright  so there are two options...

a) DON'T BUY THINGS YOU CANNOT afford
b) stop griping about paying some interest to the guy lending you his money so you can live above your means

and c) go out and find GOLD

I solved my interest problem by renting out ONE bedroom for $400.00 a month all utilities included.. Nice Chinese fellow quiet as a Ninja :D and for him its a bargain considering rents in apartments these days.

Abundance may be a future utopia but in the meantime you and I need to survive in THIS scenario. And there are ways to do so even in the current situation

Here is some REAL Doom Porn for ya...

Quote from: Amaterasu on August 15, 2013, 06:52:20 PMLet's spread awareness that We CAN end poverty, CAN end oppression, CAN end greed, CAN end wage/debt slavery, CAN end war through ending war profiteering, CAN end power over Others in favor of autonomous power over Self and no Others.

The problem with your reasoning is that you are thinking from a WESTERN point of view...

You forget that most of the world considers our way of life and freedoms a vile thing...

These people are not concerned about money, mortgages and buying stuff... they care only about their ideals....

And there is NO WAY your awareness is reaching them or ever will.  You can cry "It's the psychopaths!!!" all you like but the point is these idealists are holding sway and they won't even allow you to reach out to them

Israel...

(http://retirelikeme.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/kids-with-guns.jpeg)

Palestine...

(http://sondrak.com/images/uploads/palestinian_children_guns.jpg)


(http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/04/26/1226630/226344-kids-with-guns.jpg)

Korea...

(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/3906134272/h990215F6/)

Congo...

(http://www.rechargebiomedical.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/congo-conflict.jpg)

Burma...

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-N2L6hhjEDEU/T2YHLcPa69I/AAAAAAAABDs/J-5YoEm7z3o/s1600/southeastasianchildsoldiers1.jpg)

Palestinian Childrens Army...

(http://cdn.unitedwithisrael.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Palestinian_Child_Army1-300x210.png)

Shall I go on?  Just Google Kids with Guns... these are the TAME photos

These people are NOT INTERESTED in listening to any solutions  and they outnumber us 10 to one

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01003/kids-with-guns_1003165i.jpg)

WOAH! Your blaming kids?

If you asked those kids what they were fighting for what would they say?
"I want to destroy America, because they are a fast progressive, socialistic, Zionist...nation of freedom?"   :o

Or...Would they say "My government are indebted to the IMF and answers to the UN, all our money is spent on local Civil wars, and as a consequence we have little or no infrastructure, including education and health - leaving us exposed to genocidal generals who brain wash our youth and destroy our women"

Nope - of course a child has no sense of these ideals.

Who supplied those guns?  ::)

Thank Y', Sinny.  [smile]  Geltworthy!

z, when the poverty lifts, when money is no longer the societal driving force, who will These kids fight and why?

HAHAHAHAAAA.

Gold and Silver as the precious metal illusion, a sleight a hand, smoke and mirror trick done with paper.

Kids photo opt'd with weapons is tri-lateril commissioned or the triangle brotherhood of the serpent working the masses to hate by images.

Published on Apr 29, 2015
On May 28, 2015 towards the end of the day UTC time, and continuing on May 29, there will be a series of very critical planetary alignments whereby Venus and Mercury are really being charged up on the North-Amerca / Pacific side.

Coincidentally, a mysterious quatrain by Nostradamus precisely fits the planetary positions on that day:

Original French version:

Le tremblement si fort au mois de may,
Saturne, Caper, Jupiter, Mercure au boeuf:
Venus aussi, Cancer, Mars, en Nonnay,
Tombera gresle lors plus grosse qu'vn oeuf.

English translation:
The trembling so hard in the month of may,
Saturn, Capricorn, Jupiter, Mercury in Taurus:
Venus also, Cancer, Mars, in Virgo,
Hail will fall larger than an egg.

With the very first three points of interest, Saturn, Capricorn and Jupiter, Nostradamus describes exactly the position of Earth during May 2015.

Just watch the video for an in-depth analysis. I will do more updates while we progress.

CORRECTION: Solar System Scope does not correctly depict the constellations in the background as they do not zoom in and out with the planets. Using an astronomy program, such as Stellarium, it turns out that Jupiter is in Cancer and Venus in Gemini.

This will be shown in an upcoming video.

LINKS:
Magnitude 9.8 Earthquake:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ray9U5uFSc

Earthquakes and Planetary Alignments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyvEcy_gaNE

Nostradamus and May 28 Analysis:
https://www.youtube.com/watchv=QyvEcy_gaNE&t=22m47s

Earth Key Dates:
http://www.ditrianum.org/en/articles/numerology/0019.htm

Website:http://www.ditrianum.org
Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/ditrianum


tfw NOTE: THIS IS SOMEWHAT INTERESTING!

concienciaradio 23 hours ago
Hello, my name is Alexander Backman from CR NEWS MEXICO

Today is May 16, 2015.

I woke up from a dream this morning from this very vivid dream. Maybe it is nothing. This is what woke me up.

I was in a public transport bus in a rural dusty town. I believe it is northern Baja, near Mexicali, on the outskirts of the city maybe. The whole town was on the banks of a dried up river bed.

As the bus was going into a dip,--— it started. A very strong earthquake had begun. It came from the West or North West. The power cables started jangling up and down like jumping ropes! It was so surreal! All of it!

The bus started to shake from side to side, then up and down as it went swerving into the dip to cross the riverbed to get to the other side. I turned my head to the right and then to the left and had a perfect panoramic view of the entire town. It was all like in slow motion. Not quite but I can remember all the details.

The liquefaction of the ground was amazing! It was like water moving across the ocean. Only this was desert land and rock. The weather was pleasantly warm but very dry. It was in the morning. Not too early. More like 10 or 11 AM because of the position fo the sun in the sky.   

After the shaking stopped, all the people got off of the bus and saw the destruction.

I unlocked and swiped down on my Smart Phone and the USGS warning said as the device beeped announcing the incoming message, 8.0 Richter Quake hits Southern California.   

There is more but I won't burden you with the details.

Among the fears in the dream was the impending notion of the aftershocks, only the were not aftershocks that were coming. This monster 8.0 earthquake was just a foreshock of what had begun, California and Baja California had begun separating from the North American Plate.

Stay Safe!

For more, I recommend this 1937 dream/vision from a man that saw THE BIG ONE hit way before his time.

END OF THE WORLD: 1937 DETAILED DREAM OF THE COMING CALIFORNIA AND BAJA CALIFORNIA MACROQUAKE AND TSUNAMI
http://alexanderbackman.com/superquake.htm

Published on May 5, 2015
Earthquakes are occurring every where on the planet with a combination of possible Impact

Events could cause a shaking of the foundation of our lives as we know it forever.

Be sure to have a solid plan and escape routes to bug out if necessary or to bug in if that's your plan.

Also make sure you have a route planned out to get home from work or where ever you may be in the event of a major national or local disaster.

Stay At The Ready...

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Quote from: thorfourwinds on May 18, 2015, 01:00:59 AM

T minus 10 Days... this is not long to wait for

Waiting patiently :P  (wondering if Thor has a disclaimer ready in case)

QuoteOn May 28, 2015 towards the end of the day UTC time, and continuing on May 29, there will be a series of very critical planetary alignments whereby Venus and Mercury are really being charged up on the North-Amerca / Pacific side.

You know  isn't it odd that there was a MAJOR planetary alignment on May 5th 0 AD. I wonder if THAT is what the Wise men saw and followed seeing as no regular person saw the 'Star' (save the shepherd who would be used to sky gazing tending sheep)

QuoteCoincidentally, a mysterious quatrain by Nostradamus precisely fits the planetary positions on that day:

Here is the problem with that  Back in 2000 Nostradamus was used to predict the end of the World in 2000  BECAUSE his Quatrains ran out in 1999. That was the basis for the end of the world claim for 2000.

So now suddenly 'new' quatrains appear? or are they old ones re interpreted ?

BTW Nostradamus was Merlin :D

That Quatrain does not indicate a date  Have you checked how many times since Nostradamus was alive that same alignment has happened? Orbital mechanics are precise and repetitive  I am sure it has happened a few times before

But as you say  May 28th is not far away...

I can wait :P

Quote from: Sinny on August 15, 2013, 08:34:27 PM
WOAH! Your blaming kids?

Nope merely pointing out the current reality that is training the next generation

QuoteIf you asked those kids what they were fighting for what would they say?
"I want to destroy America, because they are a fast progressive, socialistic, Zionist...nation of freedom?"   :o

Well sure They have been trained to say that but it won't be in English

You seem to live in a dream world :P

DEATH TO AMERICA!!! by 6 year olds  Wake up to reality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq_PQuensn8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq_PQuensn8

QuoteOr...Would they say "My government are indebted to the IMF and answers to the UN, all our money is spent on local Civil wars, and as a consequence we have little or no infrastructure, including education and health - leaving us exposed to genocidal generals who brain wash our youth and destroy our women"

Nah that is to complicated for kids to memorize. That is you own bias showing

QuoteNope - of course a child has no sense of these ideals.

Your right They just do as they are told and taught  until it is second nature

QuoteWho supplied those guns?  ::)

Most likely Mossad from US Gun Makers  but then Beretta is Italian and they supply a big portion. Russia and China are just as big in gun exports and Canada, while banning hand guns for its citizens still makes them to export :P

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/MunitionsWorkersToronto.jpg)Munition workers Toronto

Quote from: Gigas on August 16, 2013, 03:17:52 AM
Gold and Silver as the precious metal illusion, a sleight a hand, smoke and mirror trick done with paper.

Granted it is... HOWEVER if you play the card trick right you can get some real value out of their illusion.

One thing about the rich and famous  they are fools with money

Her is recent proof how easy it is to separate them from it

Here is a painting that just sold at Sotheby's 

Mark Rothko | 'Untitled (Yellow and Blue)', 1954

(http://cdn.newsday.com/polopoly_fs/1.10426969.1431457375!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_640/image.jpg)

Guess what is sold for?

::)

SEE HERE (http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-rothko-painting-sells-for-46.5-million-in-ny-auction-2015-5)

Hmmmmm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LltgeqzFBt4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LltgeqzFBt4

Quote from: zorgon on May 18, 2015, 01:31:02 AM
Waiting patiently :P  (wondering if Thor has a disclaimer ready in case)

He doesn't need one, as we can never know what's is opinion and what's the text quoted from another source.  :P

QuoteHe doesn't need one, as we can never know what's is opinion and what's the text quoted from another source.  :P

I do as Zorgon, Otter, and many others do: I highlight their words in color, usually (as Zorgon does), PINK.

If you really cared to look and comprehend, you would understand this, as you keep bringing up a moot point.

Why don't you start a thread about your concerns and quit nit-picking?

You are, again, barking up the wrong tree.

QuoteI woke up from a dream this morning from this very vivid dream

Is it only me that find impossible to turn on the light switches in dreams?

Thor
to answer your title of:

DOOM PORN: Fact, Fiction or Perhaps Much-needed Awareness-raising?

to folks who are not aware and have not heard it before  it might be
labeled or even considered awareness raising
but
to anyone here I think  you need to consider your audience  because you are  not just preaching to the choir but annoying the hell outta them / us
ok, me

I personally value YOUR words and I don't think they need such backing up with all the other stuff.. they kinda get lost in the rubble of all the rhetorical

your opinion or personal statements of belief , I feel, would get you more participation in stead of condemnation.

having said that I will check out the planet thing for the end of may and get back to you
but again sorry the source as facebook isn't much of a basis for credibility ..in my opinion

hugs

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ok edit to add the following..

nothing big  happening for the end of may...
but merc is going retro on  5-19 which screws with lots of stuff..happens at least 4 times a year

here's some reading if you are interested


http://www.almanac.com/content/mercury-retrograde

http://www.seasky.org/astronomy/astronomy-calendar-current.html

http://darkstarastrology.com/mercury-retrograde/3/

http://www.cafeastrology.com/mercuryretrograde.html

http://www.elephantjournal.com/2015/05/mercury-retrograde-its-time-to-make-things-right/

Quote from: thorfourwinds on May 18, 2015, 02:05:01 AM
I do as Zorgon, Otter, and many others do: I highlight their words in color, usually (as Zorgon does), PINK.

Does that mean that the "T minus 10 Days... this is not long to wait for" at the top of your posts was a quote?

QuoteWhy don't you start a thread about your concerns and quit nit-picking?

If I did that nobody probably nobody would comment, this way I got your attention. :)

QuoteYou are, again, barking up the wrong tree.

One of my father's names was "Gato", cat in Portuguese, I don't bark. ;)

Quote
tfw
Peace Love Light
Liberty & Equality or Revolution

Is that a quote?  :P

Seriously, a post from someone that uses colours only for the quotes is clearer than a post that has several colours, from someone that usually uses several colours for whatever reasons. Also, from my (very short) study of interface design I learned not to use colours to convey specific meanings, as some people cannot see the differences between closer shades and (fewer) people are truly colour-blind.

Quote from: space otter on May 18, 2015, 04:59:50 AM
Thor

to folks who are not aware and have not heard it before it might be
labeled or even considered awareness raising
but
to anyone here I think you need to consider your audience  because you are  not just preaching to the choir but annoying the hell outta them / us
ok, me

Ha, love it!

T-6 days.

For me it is awareness raising.  Give people the information and let them decide what they do with it.  It goes along with my motto, help, guide and inform someone today.  I give my opinion but in some cases people (anywhere) just want to argure for the sake of argument which accomplishes nothing.  But at least they have the information and can't say they were not warned.  Just recently went through that very scenario (not here)....person just wanted to argue.  Debate is one thing but arguing for just the sake of argument is counter productive to me.

Disclaimer:-  I realise that there is a vague possibility that I may get banned for the content of this post.  I'm going to try and be as polite as possible, but there are certain things here that I feel do need to be said.  As much as I do value this place, if this post does result in the loss of my virtual head, then as Derryn Hinch used to say; "That's life.  Good night."

Quote from: space otter on May 18, 2015, 04:59:50 AM
to folks who are not aware and have not heard it before  it might be
labeled or even considered awareness raising
but
to anyone here I think  you need to consider your audience  because you are  not just preaching to the choir but annoying the hell outta them / us
ok, me

The problem is not so much even that Thor's material is annoying, as that it is irrelevant.

The formal name for this place is the Pegasus Research Consortium.  For the most part, doom porn and research are two very different things.  Thor might be able to justify making an initial post about Sandy Hook for instance, so that  once the conversation has started, the rest of us can go away and do research into the causes of Sandy Hook, and what is really going on.

In reality though, Sandy Hook and Fukushima are pure white noise, and nothing more.

(http://www.criticalcactus.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/white-noise-helps-you-sleep1.jpg)

The more time we spend on disasters and the various forms of distraction that the American and UK governments try to produce, the less time we're spending on genuinely empowering, solution-oriented stuff like alternative energy.  I know Thor thinks that he is helping, but from my perspective he's doing exactly the opposite.  He's actually serving the very people who he is ostensibly trying to fight against, by remaining focused on problems rather than solutions.

I want to use this place to advance our understanding of things like the mathematics of the Ancient Egyptians, which in my mind can really empower people in the here and now, as well as the alternative energy and UFO propulsion work we've done.  While we are trying to do that, Thor is basically kicking sand in our eyes.  He's pushing the truly worthwhile stuff down to the bottom of the Recent Posts list, which makes it much less likely that anyone will see it.

The other point is that as you say, it isn't raising awareness at all.  If I want to hear for the millionth time about how the world is going to end, then I can get that from Jeff Rense, Alex Jones, Before It's News, or any one of a thousand other places.   So it isn't original information.  We're already aware of everything that the cabal wants us to be aware of.  We've received the message that we should be in a state of mindless terror and despair, literally every second.  Given the degree to which it saturates the airwaves, how could we possibly not be?

QuoteI personally value YOUR words and I don't think they need such backing up with all the other stuff.. they kinda get lost in the rubble of all the rhetorical

your opinion or personal statements of belief , I feel, would get you more participation in stead of condemnation.

Exactly.  Thor, my point here really is not to simply verbally bash you for the hell of it.  I just want you to start posting material that is genuinely constructive, rather than becoming indignant when people point out that what you're posting at the moment, is the opposite.

I want Pegasus to be unique.  I don't want this place to be full of the same crap that I can get from ATS, or Alex Jones, or wherever else.  There are already far too many places where I can go if I want that.  To the extent that I come here, I do so because I want something else.

Quote from: petrus4 on May 23, 2015, 03:43:43 AM
Disclaimer:-  I realise that there is a vague possibility that I may get banned for the content of this post.

LOL a self ban  I LIKE IT :P

Quote from: petrus4 on May 23, 2015, 03:43:43 AM

The formal name for this place is the Pegasus Research Consortium.  For the most part, doom porn and research are two very different things.

The Research is on the website  THIS is merely a forum where people talk about what matters to THEM  Like your rants matter to YOU and are likely annoying to most others too :P

QuoteIn reality though, Sandy Hook and Fukushima are pure white noise, and nothing more.

Snady Hook I am not sure about as I stopped following that a long time ago. But if you think Fukushima  is white noise you need to change your name to Herr Ostrich :P

QuoteThe more time we spend on disasters and the various forms of distraction that the American and UK governments try to produce, the less time we're spending on genuinely empowering, solution-oriented stuff like alternative energy.

We tried that  the alternative energy research  First time was when Matyas created the Pegasus Alternative Energy group at Yahoo. The only person still posting their is the crazy Doctor that had the fusion generator.  The Second time was when I gave PWM webspace and full support because I though he really had something. only to find he still worked for the Sea Hag and his only mission was to destroy... which he was successful at

So there are no alternative energy researchers left at Pegasus  Between Linda's crew and PWM's crew they wiped that out

Beside EG is a dead ens and NO ONE has yet shown any real progress on ANY free energy project. No it's NOT 'da gubment' suppressing anything... it is the fact that no one has a clue yet

QuoteI know Thor thinks that he is helping, but from my perspective he's doing exactly the opposite.  He's actually serving the very people who he is ostensibly trying to fight against, by remaining focused on problems rather than solutions.

There is no solution for Fukushima  so there is no point focusing on a solution. We do not have the technology and there will be no GFL Aliens to clean it up for us

Now as I recall YOU were the biggest purveyor of Gloom and Doom on this site. You even started your own forum because we were tired of it.  Just recently I posted a thread on DRAGONS  for those people interested in DRAGONS  YOU felt the nee to come into that thread and rant about how you hate dragons   

And yet here you are calling the Kettle black....

How about THIS solution? If you don't like a topic  STAY THE FVCK OUT of the room. You are not obligated to engage. Silence is Golden :P

continued....

QuoteI want to use this place to advance our understanding of things like the mathematics of the Ancient Egyptians, which in my mind can really empower people in the here and now, as well as the alternative energy and UFO propulsion work we've done.

Then DO so  show us your Egyptian posts  As for alternative energy and UFO propulsion... forget about it because there are no engineers left thanks to certain peeps

QuoteWhile we are trying to do that, Thor is basically kicking sand in our eyes.  He's pushing the truly worthwhile stuff down to the bottom of the Recent Posts list, which makes it much less likely that anyone will see it.

Would you like a LIST of how many posts you have made that disrupt the topic of a thread with your personal rhetoric and opinions (usually negative)? Does it occur to you that I don't give a Rat's Ass that you hate Dragons  when I am a Knight of the Order of the Red Dragon? In fact I think I will delete that post now It is disruptive to the intent of that thread :P

Do you know how many DAYS I spend babysitting here when I could be using that time to revamp the website which takes a LOT of time?  Do you know how many people here have submitted ONE GOOD ARTICLE to that website since Jack passed away?

QuoteThe other point is that as you say, it isn't raising awareness at all.  If I want to hear for the millionth time about how the world is going to end, then I can get that from Jeff Rense, Alex Jones, Before It's News, or any one of a thousand other places.   So it isn't original information.  We're already aware of everything that the cabal wants us to be aware of.  We've received the message that we should be in a state of mindless terror and despair, literally every second.  Given the degree to which it saturates the airwaves, how could we possibly not be?

Actually the ONLY thing you are aware of is twisted internet conspiracies by people who THINK they know what is going on and those people would not know TRUTH if it bit them in the ASS  90% of what is posted on the web is false news and people's BELIEF of what is going on. Show tem truth and you are a disinfo agent

Fire retardant tankers are Chemtrail plane  LOL  NASA floating orb cameras are OBVIOUSLY Alien Spacecraft that are being covered up.

If you don't like it  STOP engaging  Focus ONLY on making good posts about Egyptians  Turn OFF the recent post list (or I might remove it all together because you people cannot seem to show restraint :P

continued in a minute Need to take daughter to work

Quote from: petrus4 on May 23, 2015, 03:43:43 AM
Exactly.  Thor, my point here really is not to simply verbally bash you for the hell of it.

And yet... here you are doing exactly that. You COULD have used a PM  instead of the public forum

QuoteI just want you to start posting material that is genuinely constructive, rather than becoming indignant when people point out that what you're posting at the moment, is the opposite.

Practise what you preach. I see nothing constructive in this post  Just a rant.

QuoteI want Pegasus to be unique.  I don't want this place to be full of the same crap that I can get from ATS, or Alex Jones, or wherever else.  There are already far too many places where I can go if I want that.  To the extent that I come here, I do so because I want something else.

Then I suggest you lead by example. Start posting ONLY constructive posts on good topics  If you need a crutch to keep you on the path, I can have the mods delete any posts where you wander :P

Quote(or I might remove it all together because you people cannot seem to show restraint)

Don't remove the resent post list; I like it.

Nah I won't :P but people need to remember that the forum menu also has NEW buttons for each topic

I wish we had a subscribe thread option though

You can also block topics in your profile

Although I generally agree with Petrus in most instances, I am opposed to his (your, when you read this) opinion on Thors posts.

We do get some crap posted over here, but Thors not the culprit :P
I think as a forum, 'we' have lost identity. Sorta.
Most the posting members are staff, I suppose we are a small and familiar group.

Lead by example..


P.s, I think your statements regaring PWM are not wholly accurate Z.
Fruitbat was and still is the Linda 'spy' ..
PWM just got caught in the cross fire and had suffered a lapse in judgment.
Which is unfortunate.

Quote from: Sinny on May 23, 2015, 10:57:22 PM
Most the posting members are staff, I suppose we are a small and familiar group.

Mostly because after three Drama Operas in a row most people have left :P And I haven't been recruiting

QuoteP.s, I think your statements regaring PWM are not wholly accurate Z.

How so? He was given full access with FTP space on my personal server. He was given full control over his IG group. He claimed to have serious projects in the works.  You were not copied on the nasty letters he sent to staff that got his account deleted. 

He did deleted ALL the files on the server and many of the threads in IG  A thing Sgt WARNED staff about and RECOMMENDED action, for which RECOMMENDATION Sgt was banned

PWM was given repeated chances to cease and desist  He chose to escalate instead and threaten staff with physical harm

End of story Account deleted

QuoteFruitbat was and still is the Linda 'spy' ..

Fruitbat made comments on her forum... He then sent an email to me via PWM (yet my email has never changed and is posted as webmaster all over the website. He COULD have written me directly I am sure Linda still has my email :P

He mentioned he had a sock puppet here  So I answered his email via PM to the sock puppet and told PWM that I had done this  Since then no reply

I am done with those idgits  sorry if that seems harsh I just don't have the time nor the inclination

QuotePWM just got caught in the cross fire and had suffered a lapse in judgment.
Which is unfortunate.

BULL SHIt it was al espaliaed to him in detail and it all happened in my absense On return they decided NOT to give me time to see what was what and he started deleting works, many of them were MY files that I had added to IG

But he now has the Fusion reactor from Pegasus's mad doctor (thanks to you and fruitbat I am told) and the Pegasus Yahoo group is dead... so its all a moot point.

In any case any real scientist that did join the group was soon put off by the loonies and left. Same thing happened at JLN Labs forum and the Radient Energy Forum...  I wonder if Elizabeth Helen Drake was also lurking at those two :P

Quote from: WarToad on May 22, 2015, 07:21:53 PM
T-6 days.

Quotea massive 9.8 earthquake will hit California at 4pm local time on 28 May.

D-Day today.  The prediction is for 4pm local time (California)

/popcorn

and on the extreme outside chance it actually happens -

/p  o o o o  p  c  O  r  Nnnnn

Quote from: WarToad on May 28, 2015, 04:21:04 PM
D-Day today.  The prediction is for 4pm local time (California)

/popcorn

and on the extreme outside chance it actually happens -

/p  o o o o  p  c  O  r  Nnnnn

Well as you enjoy your popcorn, we here on the coast in Ca will be not much enjoying our poppers stopped for good!!  :(

That said, out of the many many dream, psychic predictions and prophecies that have come around with dates and/or times all have failed.. each and everyone so although we do have a bug out bag I am not in the least worried! :)

Quote from: Dyna on May 28, 2015, 09:26:20 PM
That said, out of the many many dream, psychic predictions and prophecies that have come around with dates and/or times all have failed.. each and everyone so although we do have a bug out bag I am not in the least worried! :)

Yep, definitely not awareness raising. Not worried! :)

This gal isn't worried :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIVAlV8YVF0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIVAlV8YVF0

Quote from: zorgon on May 23, 2015, 11:27:45 PM

How so? He was given full access with FTP space on my personal server. He was given full control over his IG group. He claimed to have serious projects in the works.  You were not copied on the nasty letters he sent to staff that got his account deleted. 

He did deleted ALL the files on the server and many of the threads in IG  A thing Sgt WARNED staff about and RECOMMENDED action, for which RECOMMENDATION Sgt was banned

PWM was given repeated chances to cease and desist  He chose to escalate instead and threaten staff with physical harm

End of story Account deleted

Z, Thanks  ;)