But first this money grab debacle:
QuoteIt's official.
Jon Corzine will not be cuffed over MF Global's improper handling of customers' funds leading up to the commodity brokerage firm's spectacular collapse in late 2011, The Post has learned.
Federal investigators have found no evidence that the disgraced Wall Street titan broke the law.
"After 18 months of investigation, the criminal probe into Jon Corzine is now being dropped," a person with knowledge of the probe told The Post.
"There is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing," this person said.
The Justice Department's decision to drop the case is sure to come as a relief to Corzine, who has been widely blamed for MFG's bankruptcy — as well as the misuse of some $1.6 billion in customers' funds.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/corzine_off_the_crook_t3VpDFmfEsx9Qd7VdtCLvM
So, you really think that money in the bank belongs to you. Think again and listen very carefully to this video. I tell people smart enough to pay attention to not nest egg their life savings in the bank. But, you do what you wanna do cause it's your money, right!.
Like the commercial says, its your money, get it now. If the bank will let you. Can you trust credit unions?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPsOopzp7e4
Did you see the answer to the question
And the answer is... NO!
All the more reason to spread a SOLUTION.
Ahh a money topic :D
I see very little mention of Steve Keen on these kinda boards.
Although its not a utopian sorta view which i myself sorta have. Its a very good view in regards to how funds are going wrong.
http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 03, 2013, 07:20:07 PM
And the answer is... NO!
All the more reason to spread a SOLUTION.
Well the money I had in the bank bought me a car so I can drive and that car is MINE so :P
And when I sell my stamp collection and antiques later this year that money from the rich will go into my bank account and then pay off my house (with a little luck) so :P
Money is a TOOL
The Rich are rich because they learned how to use that TOOL
I can teach you how to use that TOOL at the very least on a small scale to fiz immediate issues
But no one will listen :P
And my wife got a job at a collection agency so she now not only knows that I know the secrets but was able to confirm it and give me more detailed inside info :D
Quote from: zorgon on September 03, 2013, 09:05:56 PM
Well the money I had in the bank bought me a car so I can drive and that car is MINE so :P
And when I sell my stamp collection and antiques later this year that money from the rich will go into my bank account and then pay off my house (with a little luck) so :P
Yeah... Money hobbles along until it crashes, yes.
What if all that money You managed to spend was in the bank when it's "bailed in?"
Bye bye much if not most if not all of it.
hey i couldn't figure where to put this..heh heh heh..sense of humor at work
money in exchange for stuff you want.. works for me
hey guys
..check this out.. you might get some parts here
i did the pink color but not the smilies
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/08/22/10-cool-things-you-can-buy-from-the-government-right-now/
10 cool things you can buy from the government right now
Max Lockie
5:03 PM on 08/22/2013
Forget Groupon, Living Social, Scoutmob, etc. Today's bargain hunters need look no further than Uncle Sam.
The U.S. government centralizes purchases of office supplies, vehicles, furniture, and other material goods in the hands of the General Services Administration (GSA). Currently, about 15% of all government purchases are managed by the GSA, a number it is aggressively seeking to increase with a goal of handling 90% of government procurement in 10 years. In an effort to recoup some of their expenses the GSA holds online auctions for inventory that is no longer in use. What type of inventory? Everything from computers and cell phones to gently used trucks to Air Force Two.
The GSA Auctions website is constantly updated, so for shoppers who really want to "Buy American," there's really no better place to turn. Here are some of the most interesting listings currently up for grabs to the highest bidder.
The GSA Auctions website
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had to come back and ask..is this big enough ?
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GENERATOR SET
Sale-Lot Number: 51QSCI13429012
City, State: Waunakee, WI
Current Bid: 476 USD
Bidders: 4
Close Time: 09/04 03:28 PM CT *
Time Remaining: 23 Hours, 56 Minutes.
DescriptionBidding DetailsBid History
ONE GENERATOR SET, DIESEL, 1989, 2 1/2 TON 15KW TRAILER MOUNTED GENERATOR, WHITE, 4 CYLINDER DIESEL ENGINE, 1347 HRS, MADE BY JOHN R HOLLINGSWORTH CO. GVW 3891#. REPAIRS MAY BE REQUIRED. 47569732250024 47569732250024
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Quote from: zorgon on September 03, 2013, 09:07:54 PM
Money is a TOOL
The Rich are rich because they learned how to use that TOOL
I can teach you how to use that TOOL at the very least on a small scale to fiz immediate issues
But no one will listen :P
And my wife got a job at a collection agency so she now not only knows that I know the secrets but was able to confirm it and give me more detailed inside info :D
Yes, it is a tool, z, but as You know, tools CAN BE USED AS WEAPONS. And... The "elite" are doing just that with the power and money They accumulated. Through
war profiteering emergent in a money system
pharma profiteering hiding and blocking cures to profit on illness; "treating" with things that add issues that need MORE money spent on "treatment;" emergent in a money system
"geoengineering" chemical suppliers (Dow, DuPont, Monsanto, anyOne?) and others make money; with psychopaths at the top of the heap - emergent in a money system
GMO's do I have to explain the psychopathic goal to control what the Humans eat? Really, how best to get Humans to do One's bidding, eh?; emergent in a money system
water "privatization" see: GMO's - emergent in a money system
propaganda now legal for the Feds in the US of A - emergent in a money system
fluoridating a psychopathic and ugly plan - emergent in a money system
"vaccines" see fluoridating - emergent in a money system
mind control see fluoridating - emergent in a money system
RFID see fluoridating - emergent in a money system
They control and KILL Us. And that was the short list. So.
Their only weakness is taking money as a tool away, since JUST NOW in Human history We HAVE THE TOOLS TO DO SO, no longer needing that abacus with the advent of the calculator, so to speak...
Let's bloody take away Their power. With no way to offer armies and toadies anything, what are They but a few very sick Individuals that We might want institutionalized.
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 03, 2013, 09:32:58 PM
Yes, it is a tool, z, but as You know, tools CAN BE USED AS WEAPONS. And... The "elite" are doing just that with the power and money They accumulated.
Yes and I can kill you with a PEN too after all they say the pen is mightier than the sword.
But why not use a tool to help instead of stomping on the tool? Many rich people are philantropists and give money away to help.
How a tool is used is a matter of CHOICE... If people just get taught the right way to use a tool, things would change And you will need a LOT of MONEY to start TAP because someone has to pay for the system changes before they can take effect
Now this recent drama has taken away MONEY from me in the form of wasted time when I should be listing on Ebay as they have free listings till Sept 4th and I lost two day
::)
Quote from: zorgon on September 03, 2013, 10:00:11 PM
Yes and I can kill you with a PEN too after all they say the pen is mightier than the sword.
But why not use a tool to help instead of stomping on the tool? Many rich people are philantropists and give money away to help.
Mostly that "aid" pays "administration," number one - it LOOKS cool, but in reality friends are helped in a great many cases.
Point is You sound like the buggy whip manufacturer: No! Don't go to using cars!
Again, AS LONG AS WE USE MONEY, We WILL see these types of ills emerge. PERIOD. It is no help in the long run - and People have been crying to help this and that group for all history and STILL the wealth goes to the psychopaths.
If You REALLY want to help Others, free Them from a system that, by its very nature allows the psychopaths to control Them and KILL Them with impunity.
QuoteHow a tool is used is a matter of CHOICE... If people just get taught the right way to use a tool, things would change And you will need a LOT of MONEY to start TAP because someone has to pay for the system changes before they can take effect
Really You aren't this naive. If You are going to rely of "People" being "taught" to solve the issues INHERENT in a money system, You will solve nothing.
And yeah. Let's spend taxes to not need money anymore and disempower the present "elite." Won't matter how much. In the end the debt vanished with money.