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Money, Oil and Politics => Political Forum => Topic started by: undo11 on September 21, 2013, 04:24:08 PM

Title: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: undo11 on September 21, 2013, 04:24:08 PM
Anybody else heard about this ?  Smart meters are deadly?

don't watch this video if you're already stressed out or depressed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5mAOyp6fRc

is this an over-reaction or do we all need to live in faraday cages? lol
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: ArMaP on September 21, 2013, 05:56:18 PM
I ran out of patience after the first 13 minutes. ;D

Is there a place where I can read that information instead of having to listen to that boring talk?
Thanks in advance. :)
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: undo11 on September 21, 2013, 07:00:44 PM
Quote from: ArMaP on September 21, 2013, 05:56:18 PM
I ran out of patience after the first 13 minutes. ;D

Is there a place where I can read that information instead of having to listen to that boring talk?
Thanks in advance. :)

no clue.  i'd suggest googling "smart meters are deadly" or similar search parameters. 
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: Somamech on September 21, 2013, 07:44:22 PM
For what it's worth Undo I had a smart meter installed just recently. 

It's now easy for my wife to whinge at me about using a heater late at night as we can monitor our energy usage to some degree and see how much we are being ripped off!

I have read this topic in the past and the con's against it may make sense to me, but on the same token I think many of us 'health wise' are the main target we should be chasing down!

IE I do more through my own lifestyle decisions than what a smart meter can do to me.  I say that in an encouraging way and not a condesending manner in reference to smart meters and the wild world soup of different radio frequencys buzzing right through us  :o



Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: Gigas on September 21, 2013, 07:59:29 PM
Doom & Gloom

A fact a life.........

The reality of the situation is simply based on lies and deception as is all history and current events. Everything brought to you by government, academics, scholars, scientist and experts is very questionable.

Technology is disguised to make life easier when in fact its there to weaken you into dropping your defenses so the machine can intrude and manipulate the lab rat(s).

Humans do this very act upon animals and something is doing the same on humans. The obviousness we are owned is overwhelming. That is, if one can come to the horror of admitting such.

1996 is when I had my house put up. I had the electric company run the power line underground to a pole 12 feet from the house where the analog meter would go. The power from that meter was run underground to my house.

I had a smart meter installed one summer day back in 2001. I didn't ask for it, I saw the electric company truck out front on the road and stepped out to see the electric guy install it. I had no idea as to what he was doing or what that thing was cause I never heard of a smart meter.

I certainly know what it is now and have been thinking how to reduce its effect on my house. I came up with this, place a metal sheet on the side of the smart meter shielding my house from the microwave blast emitting off the meter. I will be placing metal siding on the house all around with a metal roof. This will shield everything in the house from sun flairs, emp and smart meters in the neighborhood.

The power coming in should be conditioned with a power conditioner at the smart meter to calm spikes and brown outs. There is a possiblity of solar power taking place of the power companies power full time with a generator backup using a three (natural gas, gasoline and propane) way fuel system to charge the batteries at night.

I have a 1700 sqf 3bdrm home and am the only one living here and my electric bill runs 50 to 80 bucks a month. I think its high because I never leave lights on and most everything is unplugged with a new low energy refrig just bought thats suppose to cost me only 43 bucks a year to run.

Perhaps the smart meter jacked my rate 20 bucks cause thats what I been reading they charge to have that thing on my line.

My sister lives next door and her smart meter is pointing directly at my master bedroom so I am sure I am bathed in electro magnetic waves day and night. Thats why I will be putting metal siding on the entire house.

The water department just slipped a smart meter on my water line a couple a summers ago so I will encase that thing with a metal shield also.

That shooter in the navy yard probably had smart meters melting his brain with voice transmission coming in his head from power lines. If you can think anymore clearly, you may recall they used to have dial up devices you could plug into your house wiring and have internet anywhere in the house a power outlet was located. Now, its wifi and cell towers.
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: robomont on September 21, 2013, 08:01:25 PM
after i made a comment about smart meters on glp.a few days later my  tv blew up/quit working.
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: undo11 on September 21, 2013, 08:26:00 PM
so far, some think it's in the acceptable range, and others think it is not acceptable range at all. 

is it possible the mercury light bulbs are even worse?  how do you properly dispose of broken ones?   
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: undo11 on September 21, 2013, 08:28:43 PM
here's a guy that would like some answers to his questions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTrOxk4AfVE
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: ArMaP on September 21, 2013, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: Gigas on September 21, 2013, 07:59:29 PM
Technology is disguised to make life easier when in fact its there to weaken you into dropping your defenses so the machine can intrude and manipulate the lab rat(s).
Then I suppose you don't use computers. :)

QuoteI certainly know what it is now and have been thinking how to reduce its effect on my house.
What effects does it really has in your house?
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: robomont on September 21, 2013, 09:22:11 PM
maybe we could get a rf meter and share it.then we could each test whats going on with our meters.personally i dont think its radiation outside the meter as it is programming and viruses inside the meter.if we had a good hacker.i bet the backdoors are easy to get in.especially these small coop electric companies.i bet all a persons electronics are hackable.through the smart meter.or maybe it can send out power spikes that can damage certain items.i wonder if back could hook up his occiliscope to one and see if the power is clean.
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: Amaterasu on September 21, 2013, 10:08:33 PM
The whole was very worth watching.  ArMaP, You gave up just about the time some good information was coming out. 

My humble suggestion?  Watch the whole (or at least listen).
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: ArMaP on September 21, 2013, 10:23:14 PM
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 21, 2013, 10:08:33 PM
The whole was very worth watching.  ArMaP, You gave up just about the time some good information was coming out. 

My humble suggestion?  Watch the whole (or at least listen).
I cannot listen to that and to the audio cassetes I am converting to digital at the same time. :)
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: ArMaP on September 21, 2013, 10:35:50 PM
Quote from: robomont on September 21, 2013, 09:22:11 PM
or maybe it can send out power spikes that can damage certain items.
Wouldn't that make them target of law suites? In Portugal, when something like that happens the power company has to pay for the damaged appliances and any damaged goods.
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: zorgon on September 21, 2013, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: undo11 on September 21, 2013, 08:26:00 PM
so far, some think it's in the acceptable range, and others think it is not acceptable range at all.


They installed a smart meter in my house... Hottest year yet but power bill dropped from 344.00 a month (we pay averaged fee) to 283.00 a month. They also installed a Smart pool pump switch... very efficient and saves us money. They gave us that free. I use the old timer now for Xmas lights

The radio signal is no stronger than an average cell phone... and since it is outside the house on the garage you get more radiation from that cell phone you hold to your ear all day... funny how NO ONE is screaming about the harm cell phones cause  because they actually have been proven to damage brain cells with prolonged use that close to the rain

Quoteis it possible the mercury light bulbs are even worse?  how do you properly dispose of broken ones?

Mercury is bad in the dust form. Liquid mercury is found in Nevada in the ground (its liwuid at room temp> I have handled it for years with no ill effects. Just don't eat it or inhale the dust

Fluorescent tubes have mercury vapor  Not a good idea to smash them and breath in the dust... but I know of no place that has a safe disposal for them that is convenient so usually they go into the trash bin where the pickup man has to deal with that dust

HEY glad to see you back :D
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: robomont on September 21, 2013, 10:57:54 PM
after all the research ive done on mercury lately.heres what ive learned.a drop of mercury the size of a bb in gas form would feel three liters.a typical bulb is 90%argon.and about 3%mercury.the whole mercury thing is fearmongering doom porn.benjamin franklin had people eat mercury for a study one time.nobody died.the tennesse river low places used to be full of mercury and the kids would ladel it out of deep holes and sell it by the gallon to metal merchants.
in texas power companies arent responsible for no liability.plus how do you prove a power spike or brown dim.sure you can see it happen but most folks dont set around all day waiting for one.
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: zorgon on September 21, 2013, 11:03:04 PM
Quote from: Gigas on September 21, 2013, 07:59:29 PM
The reality of the situation is simply based on lies and deception as is all history and current events. Everything brought to you by government, academics, scholars, scientist and experts is very questionable.

Maybe BUT on the other side of the coin are the Gloom and Doom merchants saying everything is a plot a conspiracy or bad for you :P

And even here at Pegasus we have people pushing for the mechanization of civilization so robots will do everything :D

The TRUTH is simply PROFITS... the power company sells power to COMMERCIAL costumers at a higher rate than consumers so the less we use the more they can sell to businesses

QuoteTechnology is disguised to make life easier when in fact its there to weaken you into dropping your defenses so the machine can intrude and manipulate the lab rat(s).

Well I am more prepared than any of you on here to live the way they did in Medieval times... we even have our own loom to make fabric..

But I am getting old... It would no longer be fun living full time in a tent in the desert heat. I need my AC to survive  literally. Also without technology like the computer, the phone etc we would be stuck in the stone age and not even know there is something to be concerned about :P

Life was less stressful when the internet was only a local BBS system and you could get together for coffee with people


QuoteI came up with this, place a metal sheet on the side of the smart meter shielding my house from the microwave blast emitting off the meter. I will be placing metal siding on the house all around with a metal roof. This will shield everything in the house from sun flairs, emp and smart meters in the neighborhood.

Before going to that much trouble I suggest you buy an EM meter and do a walk around and see where the signals are coming from. If your house is stucco you already have a steel mesh all around your house :D  I bet your wifi and microwave oven and cell phones are the main source inside your home :P

QuoteThe power coming in should be conditioned with a power conditioner at the smart meter to calm spikes and brown outs. There is a possiblity of solar power taking place of the power companies power full time with a generator backup using a three (natural gas, gasoline and propane) way fuel system to charge the batteries at night.


Solar power is very cheap and easy to install.  $5,000.00 will completely take you off the grid for a large 2 story house. The government gives you tax breaks for putting in solar... the power company (well in Nevada and Arizona for sure) give you incentives and buy your access power (by law here actually)  Not sure why NO ONE is pushing that... it IS FREE ENERGY  (once the intial cost of install is met... but that would be the same for ANY "free energy" tech

QuoteI have a 1700 sqf 3bdrm home and am the only one living here and my electric bill runs 50 to 80 bucks a month. I think its high because I never leave lights on and most everything is unplugged with a new low energy refrig just bought thats suppose to cost me only 43 bucks a year to run.

You can always have an electrician install a second meter that you can verify :D
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Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: zorgon on September 21, 2013, 11:11:17 PM
Quote from: robomont on September 21, 2013, 10:57:54 PM
the tennesse river low places used to be full of mercury and the kids would ladel it out of deep holes and sell it by the gallon to metal merchants.

Aw CRAP  I forgot about that... Yeah mercury would collect like that just like gold does.  In fact any gold dust would attach itself to the mercury

Fark its heavy stuff LOL You can buy it on Amazon  I used to have pounds of it in the lab. I still save it from old thermometers and switches but they are hard to find now. I need to find an ore source in Nevada now that I have a car

Liquid Mercury 454g  $98.00 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007JMA9V2/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=B007JMA9V2&link_code=as3&tag=pegasreseacon-20)
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: Amaterasu on September 22, 2013, 12:08:52 AM
Quote from: zorgon on September 21, 2013, 11:03:04 PM
And even here at Pegasus we have people pushing for the mechanization of civilization so robots will do everything :D

That would NOT be Me.  I advocate only filling necessary positions and jobs no One WANTS to do with robots.  How horrible to be set free to do what You WANT to do!
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: robomont on September 22, 2013, 12:09:23 AM
99$ for half a pound triple distilled.
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: undo11 on September 22, 2013, 02:25:47 AM
Quote from: zorgon on September 21, 2013, 11:03:04 PM


But I am getting old... It would no longer be fun living full time in a tent in the desert heat. I need my AC to survive  literally. Also without technology like the computer, the phone etc we would be stuck in the stone age and not even know there is something to be concerned about :P



you could probably retrain your body to adapt to the heat. 

our air was off for a few days recently.  the first 24 hours was rough and this is a very humid heat, which is worse than dry heat.  i eventually adapted but it was still uncomfortable.  i can see now why the mexican people had siestas during the hottest part of the day.
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: robomont on September 22, 2013, 03:11:38 AM
i dont know about getting use to 115° and 50% humidity.no offence but three years ago here in ne texas.rabbit in the shade .two years old.plenty of water died of heat stroke.ac went out.tried all night to sleep.sweat on everything i touched.was seriously considering digging a cave on my land.marine corp bootcamp was more comfortable.
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: undo11 on September 22, 2013, 03:16:07 AM
Quote from: robomont on September 22, 2013, 03:11:38 AM
i dont know about getting use to 115° and 50% humidity.no offence but three years ago here in ne texas.rabbit in the shade .two years old.plenty of water died of heat stroke.ac went out.tried all night to sleep.sweat on everything i touched.was seriously considering digging a cave on my land.marine corp bootcamp was more comfortable.

look at the arabic women.  they wear full black abayas, head to toe dressed in black.  shudder.  the thing traps their sweat inside and as it evaporates it cools them off, but just imagine how awful the build up to the sweating part is.  egads. 
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: sky otter on September 22, 2013, 03:18:09 AM


this seemed like a good place to put this..
...


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23127175
What changed in Germany?

Germany has a long history of environmental activism and this has helped spark the massive energy transformation known as the Energiewende.

The first step was the Renewable Energy Sources Act, which came into force back in the year 2000. This set up the system of guaranteed payments called feed-in tariffs, giving small-scale producers of green energy a fixed amount for a period of 20 years.

The second key element was the disaster at Fukushima in 2011. The German government did a rapid U-turn on nuclear energy, immediately ordering a speeding up of the phasing out of this important source of energy. They also changed the law to give small producers priority access to the grid, something they say is more important than the guaranteed price.








Can Germany afford its 'energy bender' shift to green power?
By Matt McGrath
Environment correspondent, BBC News

Germany's rapid transition to renewable energy is said to be the country's biggest and most expensive project since the fall of the Berlin wall - but with rising costs for consumers and industry, will this great energy experiment succeed?

The powerful whiff of farmyard manure cannot dim the smiles on people's faces in the German village of Juehnde.

Located in the heart of the country, this rural community is home to Germany's first energy co-operative that started in 2005.

The co-op generates electricity from solar panels and from a biogas plant that mixes locally grown grain and locally sourced farm waste.

The residents are happy because they get cheap power and heat and thanks to the feed-in tariff laws that allow them to sell the surplus energy to the national grid, they bank a healthy annual return on their investment to boot.

"It makes money," says Eckhard Fangmeier with a quiet grin. He has been with the co-op since the start.

"We are a very small, rural place, with normal people.

The success has been based on the feed-in tariff, without it we couldn't live here in an economic way. It's a basic."

Across Germany, co-operatives, farmers and homeowners are part of the 1.3 million renewable energy producers who have taken advantage of this generous tariff scheme. It pays a fixed price for 20 years. More importantly, it guarantees priority access to the grid, ahead of the big utility companies.

As a result, houses now sport shiny solar cells on their roofs and wind turbines are spreading through the country like a giant metallic army.

Across Bavaria, it is said there are more photovoltaic panels installed than in the entire United States.

Battle for Berlin
This being Germany, this remarkable transformation has a name. It is called the Energiewende, or energy transformation. The rapid take up of renewables means that in 2012, these green entrepreneurs provided 22% of Germany's electricity.

And it doesn't stop at electricity generation. The Energiewende is encouraging change throughout the system.

On the busy streets of Berlin, 26 year-old Arwen Colell wheels her bike to choir practice. A political scientist, she leads a community co-operative that wants to take control of the capital's electricity grid with its 35,000km of underground cables.

She is battling established energy companies and the Chinese state grid. But so far 1,300 Berliners have invested cash in the venture. Arwen wants to build a grid that can better handle the rise of green power.

"The most important thing with distribution is that you have renewables flooding the grid directly," she says.

Arwen Colell leads a community group bid to take control of the Berlin electricity grid taking on a number of challengers including the Chinese state
"You have to balance incoming and outgoing energy.

"That's something the structure has to accommodate, and these structures are old, and they have to be rebuilt from the bottom up to cope with this bi-directional energy flow."

Across the city, at a newly built apartment block overlooking the headquarters of Germany's secret service, Annette Jensen has just moved in to her new home.

It is one of the first passive houses in Berlin where curbing the use of energy is literally built into the fabric of the building.

Insulation is critical and air intake is carefully controlled. Warm air from the kitchens and showers passes through a heat exchanger and up to 90% of it is recovered.

Annette says the system works well, and is extremely economical.

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We will have to pay around 300 euros a year for our energy bills; normally people pay 100 euros a month," she explained.

"I don't sacrifice my comfort, that's not the way to the future - you don't have to miss anything."

But all these astonishing strides are coming at a high cost. Consumers pay directly for green energy through their bills. This year around 50% of an average bill will be made up of taxes and levies for renewables.

Green hangover

Critics of the Energiewende have dubbed it the "energy bender", a play on the German pronunciation. They say the plan is economic madness, with bill payers spending 18bn euros (£15bn; $23bn) every year on electricity with a market value of 3bn euros (£2.8bn; $3.8bn).

"I think the hangover from the energy bender for us is that we have to pay for our extremely ambitious extension of renewables for years and years," says Florian Rentsch, minister for economics in the region of Hesse.

Solar power has expanded rapidly in Germany even though the country has the same level of sunlight as Alaska
"The law on renewable energy will not only lead to increased electricity prices, but it is also a non-market, planned system that endangers the industrial base of our economy."

This view is supported by Prof Colin Vance from the German economic research institute RWI.

"I definitely think there will be a cost hangover with it," he said.

"The least competitive renewable energy is getting the most support. There is a certain insanity to it, yes.

"By our calculations, we estimate that for solar power alone, it is more than 100 billion euros over 20 years."

As well as growing concerns about the cost, there are worries that the financial incentives have brought too many renewable sources to the market at the same time.

Germany is not a country known for its exposure to the Sun. However, the scale of installed solar capacity means that on a bright day, the country is overwhelmed with sunny electricity.

On 16 June this year, solar and wind energy combined to produce 60% of Germany's power needs. So much solar was coming into the grid that wholesale prices on that afternoon were, for a time, in the negative.

For the big utility companies, this is a nightmare scenario. Their business model means they recoup their investments in large gas- and coal-fired power stations by a steady demand for their electricity over a long period of time.

But because the feed-in tariff gives small renewable producers priority access to the grid, the big boys can only make money when the Sun doesn't show and the wind doesn't blow.

On days like 16 June, expensive gas-fired power plants stood idly by while the solar cells sizzled.

Back to coal

To curb their costs, these corporations have turned to the cheapest possible electricity sources - including brown coal or lignite, which is one of the most carbon-intensive fuels.

Because of this, Germany's CO2 emissions went up in 2012, despite renewables never having a larger share of the market. The fossil-fuel energy producers are demanding change.


"At the moment, the energy transition is at a crossroads," says Peter Englehard from RWE, one of Germany's big four utility companies.

"It is driven by subsidies and administrative intervention, where it should be more market-based. We have to bring more market into this, otherwise it will drown in too much subsidised power."

There is general political support for the Energiewende amongst the major political parties.

The German government has ambitious targets for cutting overall energy consumption by around 40% by 2050. In the plan, renewables will make up half the electricity supply, and a third of total energy, including transport, by 2030.

But there is also an emerging consensus that there should be changes to cut the costs of the programme.

Minister Rentsch, whose party is in the governing Federal coalition, says that changes are necessary and likely to take place after the general election in September.

"If the energy prices for the transition will increase in the next years, I think the Energiewende will lose acceptance in our society," he argues.


Wind farms have benefited from high subsidies paid directly by the consumerBut with strong financial support in place until the middle of the 2020s, politicians, consumers and even utility companies say there is no going back.

And according to Dr Ralf Fuecks, the head of the Heinrich Boell foundation in Berlin, the transition has not just changed the energy supply, it has changed attitudes to consumption as well.

"It is not about going backwards - green is not about departing from the modern lifestyle," he says.

"We are progressing into a moral economy. Morality is not a contradiction to economic success. It is the other way around."

Follow Matt on Twitter.

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Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: robomont on September 22, 2013, 03:29:53 AM
its very dry.in arabia so the sweat evaporates fast.ive been in desert in middle of day with longsleeve shirts and cotton pants.but when the heat index goes up.its horrible.i laugh when dc or ny get high temps.try three months of it.i use to think 100°f was hot when i was a teen.if it wasnt for my family.i would move to n.dakota.the stupid part is texas has not ever financed solar.the feds do and louisiana state does.but not texas.its got to be the most secure investment there is.they could back it with bonds.linked to our homestead law that allows financing.but our politicians prefer to send our money to wyoming for coal.
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: burntheships on September 22, 2013, 05:38:31 AM
Quote from: undo11 on September 21, 2013, 08:26:00 PM
so far, some think it's in the acceptable range, and others think it is not acceptable range at all.

Its not acceptable. I had them remove ours, we live where
you cant opt out. So we did, due to the dirty "vibes" from the
transmissions. More on that here:

http://eon3emfblog.net/?p=2180

These "smart" meters all "talk" to each other...they send on
their readings to the next one, until they eventually reach the
brain meter. Yeah, thats correct, your readings are passed on
to the next in line. This is information given directly to me,
from our energy company.

If trees are in the way, the transmissions are more
"pulsed" or whateva.

(for some reason maybe because of the trees they said) this
was causing our whole house to "hummm"....
Here they will pull the smart meter and put back an analog.

Quote

is it possible the mercury light bulbs are even worse?  how do you properly dispose of broken ones?

Good luck if they dont blow up in your face. I had one do that, it blew
out poison mercury gas, made me feel ill for days.

I read that a good sized thick foil turkey roaster taped over
the meter with duct tape takes care of the problem.

Just be ready for the e company to come asking wth is
going on...as they wont be able to do the reads.  ;D
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: robomont on September 22, 2013, 05:59:11 AM
lol.i should have thought of that.a reflector dish.it may even burn the thing up.
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: burntheships on September 22, 2013, 06:10:24 AM
@ Robo, have to laugh with you on that,
what if aluminum turkey roasters can actually put a
cog in the wheel.  ;)

Well, here would be a good test for all you PRC
engineers....take this lady, and debunk her.

Or, conversely, agree .... ;D

http://energyfusionteam.com/free-electricity-eliminate-your-smart-meter-power-bill-with-aluminum-foil-and-protect-your-health/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKzQ0XQ8fwE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKzQ0XQ8fwE
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: ArMaP on September 22, 2013, 03:33:26 PM
That's the right thing to do: if you think it may affect you, get a reader and show the company that those levels are above what is considered harmful.
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: Ellirium113 on September 22, 2013, 04:11:26 PM
http://www.gedigitalenergy.com/products/brochures/i210_family.pdf (http://www.gedigitalenergy.com/products/brochures/i210_family.pdf)

I don't see these being a weapon any more than your cell phone or router. EM shielding your entire property does not seem like a viable option to the vast majority of us. Tampering with the device is not possible. It DOES appear these devices are affected by the same sort of EM jammer devices as people have used to block cell phone signals etc. An EM jamming device that might only affect a small area like a room might be in order.
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: ArMaP on September 22, 2013, 05:24:34 PM
Maybe this page will help, specially the chart at the bottom. :)

Edit: forgot the link to the page. ;D

http://www.emfs.info/Sources+of+EMFs/meters/smart/
Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: burntheships on September 22, 2013, 05:32:46 PM
Quote from: ArMaP on September 22, 2013, 03:33:26 PM
get a reader and show the company that those levels are above what is considered harmful.

I think this is a good idea as well.

At least that way people will know what they are exposed to.
Every power company has their own way of dealing with this.

In California as an example, Nor Cal has an opt out program.
(yes, they charge you to remove the meter, and charge you
every month)  :o

The stated reason they allow opt out in Nor Cal: the large
distances required for transmission. People own large
plots of land, and the meter has to be transmitting all of
the time to reach the other meters. (they work as a network).
Also, dense trees will interfere with transmission, making
the meter continuously transmit. (lots of dirty transmissions).

However, the people in Southern Cal dont have an opt out,
(not that I know of ) yet there must be the same situation
down there with some people, large plots of land, and trees.
So go figure!

Also, maybe this is harmful to the bees?
That is really a concern, these meters are being installed
everywhere; and the lady in the video said it drove her bees away.

Undo, thanks for the video, I am finally watching it now.

The fact that PGE sent in a spy, ( a fake name assigned to
a person in the PGE program ) is astounding. Why would
they do that if everything was on the up and up?

Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: burntheships on September 22, 2013, 06:21:22 PM
While I agree this is a very long video, I am watching this
to glean the real information from it.

Here is the link to ICLEI
http://www.iclei.org/

QuoteICLEI is the world's leading association of cities and local governments dedicated to sustainable development.

We are a powerful movement of 12 mega-cities, 100 super-cities and urban regions, 450 large cities as well as 450 medium-sized cities and towns in 84 countries. 

We promote local action for global sustainability and supports cities to become sustainable, resilient, resource-efficient, biodiverse, low-carbon; to build a smart infrastructure; and to develop an inclusive, green urban economy with the ultimate aim to achieve healthy and happy communities.

So, we can see that the smart meter is only one of the first steps
into the smart grid. At first I thought it was over hyped, now I can
see this is actually what is taking place.... :o

I guess when the CIA said they would spy on us through our dishwashers,
they were not joking.  ;D  Gee whiz, why dont they just partner up
with the NSA?  :)

So, it seems that the new models of appliances will have
RFID Chips in them, be "smart" and communicate with
the Smart Meters....Hmmmmm.

http://www.rfidjournal.com/articles/view?1332

Title: Re: Smart Meter as a Weapon?
Post by: Gigas on September 22, 2013, 10:04:02 PM
This should concern every one. I know my usage should be way down since I have most everything unplugged and wash/dry clothes late at night.



QuoteTV consumer news report, a group of college students were trying to figure out why their wireless smart meter was reporting such high energy usage and gave them such a high bill of $400.


"When we were gone for the week, we turned off all the circuit breakers, and so we were expecting to see a pretty low baseline in energy usage for that week," Izumi Hinkson recalled.

They created a chart using information supplied by PG&E. It shows spikes in energy usage when no one was home even with the circuit breaker turned off.

The co-eds took their complaints to PG&E and their landlady. PG&E told them they were using more energy than they thought.

"When we would communicate with PG&E, they had no real reason to explain why it was so high," said Parisi-Amon.


So the students used a TED 5000 unit to compare actual usage against their wireless smart meter and found that the smart meter was wrong.   PG&E, which at first denied the wireless smart meter was the source of the problem, finally sent out installers to check on the meter.

The comparison seemed to confirm their suspicions. A blue line on their chart represents the energy readings from the TED for the last six weeks. A red line represents the energy readings covering the same time period, but measured by the SmartMeter. Those energy readings are nearly 2.5 times greater than those measured by the TED.

"It doesn't necessarily prove either of these methods is correct, but it does raise the question about whether or not the SmartMeter readings are accurate and valid," Hinkson said.

7 On Your Side contacted PG&E and it sent out three technicians to investigate. They blamed the problem on an installation error. It seems the students' meter got mixed up with their neighbors. PG&E says the students were paying their neighbors bill and vice versa.


PG&E issued a refund of $1,600 to the students.


"PG&E has so far admitted that 23,000 SmartMeters have been installed incorrectly."

Watch and read the report, KGO-TV ABC, San Francisco, 7 On Your Side: "Experiment raises questions about SmartMeters," May 7, 2010, http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/7_on_your_side&id=7424533

A local CBS TV news report put that figure higher: PG&E, in May 2010, admitted errors in more than 50,000 meters.



The utility company says there were installation errors in about 23,000 units, another 11,000 had data storage problems, and 17,000 had communication issues. Many customers were either over or under billed.

Source: CBS 47.com, "PG&E Admits Problems with Smart Meters," May 11, 2010:
http://www.cbs47.tv/news/local/story/PG-E-Admits-Problems-with-Smart-Meters/IA-XqsKuREWCBulgRzd5pw.cspx?rss=153[/b][/size]


https://sites.google.com/site/nocelltowerinourneighborhood/home/wireless-smart-meter-concerns/smart-meter-consumers-anger-grows-over-higher-utility-bills