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Title: the ancient underground
Post by: sky otter on September 26, 2013, 02:13:11 AM

hey Soma.. been awhile since you ask for tunnels  but here it is..just for you
and welll the rest of us.. fascinating stuff..




http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/extensive-ancient-underground-network-discovered-scotland-turkey-00540


11 June, 2013 - 03:03 aprilholloway

Extensive Ancient Underground Network Discovered From Scotland to Turkey

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Archaeologists uncovered thousands of Stone Age underground tunnels, stretching across Europe from Scotland to Turkey, perplexing researchers as to their original purpose.

German archaeologist Dr Heinrich Kusch, in his book 'Secrets of the Underground Door to an Ancient World' revealed that tunnels were dug under literally hundreds of Neolithic settlements all over Europe and the fact that so many tunnels have survived 12,000 years indicates that the original network must have been huge.

'In Bavaria in Germany alone we have found 700metres of these underground tunnel networks. In Styria in Austria we have found 350metres,' he said. 'Across Europe there were thousands of them - from the north in Scotland down to the Mediterranean.

The tunnels are quite small, measuring only 70cm in width, which is just enough for a person to crawl through. In some places there are small rooms, storage chambers and seating areas.

The Stone Age was the first of the three-age system of archaeology, which divides human technological prehistory into three periods: The Stone Age, The Bronze Age, The Iron Age. The transition out of the Stone Age occurred between 6000 BC and 2500 BC for much of humanity living in North Africa and Eurasia.  While many believe Stone Age humans were primitive, incredible discoveries such as the 12,000 year-old temple called Gobekli Tepe in  Turkey,  the pyramids of Egypt and other structures such as Stonehenge, which demonstrate extremely advanced astronomical knowledge indicates that they were not as primitive as many believe.

The discovery of a vast network of tunnels indicates that Stone Age humans were not just spending their days hunting and gathering.  However, the real purpose of the tunnels is still a matter of speculation. Some experts believe they were a way of protecting man from predators while others believe they were a way for people to travel safely, sheltered from harsh weather conditions or even wars and violence. However, at this stage scientists are only able to guess, as the tunnels have not yet revealed all their secrets of the past.

You may also like to read Part 1 of my research on Underground Cities and Networks worldwide, as well as Part 2 on incredible discoveries all around the World.

You can read Part 2 here: Discoveries of vast underground networks spanning countries and maybe even continents. - See more at: http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends-europe-asia-americas/underg...You can read Part 2 here: Discoveries of vast underground networks spanning countries and maybe even continents. - See more at: http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends-europe-asia-americas/underg...By April Holloway





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http://www.ancient-origins.net/myths-legends-europe-asia-americas/underground-cities-and-networks-around-world-myths-and-reality


Underground cities and networks around the World – Myths and Reality (Part 1)





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14 June, 2013 - 09:09 aprilholloway


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Underground cities and networks around the World – Myths and Reality (Part 1)

Underground structures even whole cities have always been part of most of the world's myths and religions. A few have been discovered but most of them have not. Side by side with the stories about underground structures, we have underground networks and tunnels connecting different places and sometimes extending for many kilometres and even between different countries.

In this article we will explore the myths and legends from all over the world that refer to underground cities and tunnels as well as what archaeologists and researchers have found and how these findings may be connected to such stories.

Underground Networks and Cities in Myths and Legends

According to mythological traditions, underground sites were mostly referred to as entrances to the underworld and we find such references all around the world. Although most of us think of the 'underworld' as a representation of 'hell' and therefore an imaginary or spiritual place for 'bad' people, in reality in ancient religions that wasn't the case. The underworld was a place where the dead would go, but it was a place with physical entrances, guards, buildings and cities, and a place that a few mortals could visit and even communicate with the dead souls, gods, kings or the armies of the underworld. In a few cases though, according to the legends, they could even resurrect a dead person.

One of the most famous underground cities is the city of Agartha, a legendary city that is supposed to be in the centre of the Earth, the Earth's Core.  Central Asia is the origin of those legends and the race inhabiting this underground realm was called the Agharti. Theosophists refer to Agartha as a vast complex of caves and an underground network that was inhabited by the Asuras (evil demons) and enemies of the Gods. This underground network was supposedly made by man.

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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_17b.htm
Part II
Secret Underground Tunnels Past & Present
A Closer Look

7-th, 2001 - 01: 2


As I pointed out in the previous report in this series, the origin of at least some of the Ancient Americans of North America lays to the South. We also know of the Ancient tunnels to be found in Mexico and Central and South America. But, do we find evidence of these ancient tunnels in the United States?

In Native American Myths & Mysteries (1991) by Vincent H. Gaddis in chapter IV titled Tunnels of the Titans we find.

"Throughout all the Americas there are legends of archaic avenues, racial memories of subterranean passages stretching for miles. After the great cataclysm the ancestral North Indians lived in the vast cavern complex until it was safe to return to the upper world. The story is spread through many tribes, from the kivas of the Pueblos to the lodges of the Blackfeet, from the campfires of the eastern woodland tribes before their dispersion.

"The Mandans of the northwestern states, some of whom had blue eyes and silky hair ... They said the first man to emerge from the tunnels were the Histoppa or the "tattooed ones." Having left safety too soon, they perished. The rest, who remained below, waited until a bright light dispelled the darkness on the surface..."

"The Apaches' have a legend that their remote ancestors came from a large island in the eastern sea where there were great buildings and ports for ships. The Fire Dragon arose, and their ancestors had to flee to mountains far away to the south. Later they were forced to take refuge in immense and ancient tunnels through which they wandered for years..."

(Page 39).

As we can see, many of these early Americans knew of these ancient tunnels. Could these tunnels have anything to do with the modern tunnels we have heard so much about in the last few years?

One of the areas rumored to have an underground complex and tunnels and is off limits to most people is the area around White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico.

David Hatcher Childress in his beautifully written Lost Cities of North & Central America (1992) descries the secret headquarters of Apache Chief Victorio.

"Victorio Peak and Hard Scrabble Peak, as well as Geronimo Peak, were all honeycombed with tunnels, caves and secret entrances. The Hard Scrabble entrance led down a flight of steps to an underground river. The last step was booby trapped with a deadly arrow device. It is all like out of some 40s cliffhanger serial".

(Page 313).

Mr. Childress writes of his talk with Richard Dannelly, a local resident of Sedona, Arizona and author of the book Sedona, Power Spot Vortex. Dannelly told him,

"Some friends of mine had discovered a tunnel that goes underground for quite a distance in the Superstition Mountains.

Yet every time they tried to explore the cave, a strange fear and feeling of dread would overtake the whole party, and they would always turn back." They were sent to a psychic who told them of a man who would lead them into the tunnel without fear. "With this man as their guide they were able to penetrate further into the tunnel..." Deep inside ... "the remains of ancient structures and walls made out of well dressed rock were found. They then discovered at this place a spiral staircase built out of cut stones that down, down, down, down into the earth.

"After some discussion, it was decided that their guide should descent the stairs ...

He did so, following the staircase into the deep bowels of the earth. After some tome, he came to a large room with more cut stone. A gigantic rock-cut throne, big enough for a giant, or two people sitting together, was in the middle of the room.

"Artifacts were on the walls, though (he didn't) know what they were. The man returned up the staircase and reported what he discovered. The others tried to convince him to return to the room and bring some of the artifacts back up, but he refused. The team then left the tunnel, and today the entrance is still a secret."

(Pages 308-309).

Due to coverage on the nationally long running NBC series Unsolved Mysteries most of us are familiar with the story of Doc Noss and the Lost La Rue Mines. David Hatcher Childress covers the story in depth in Lost Cities of North and Central America (1986).

He sites a book, "100 Tons of Gold" (1978) by David Chandler. Chandler wrote,

"In 1937 a half-Indian podiatrist named Doc Noss discovered a cache of Apache gold on what is now the White Sands Missile Range ... Much of the treasure was in the form of hundreds of stacked gold bars, plus other artifacts, such as swords, goblets, crowns, statues and other things ... Doc Noss was shot and killed by his partner Charlie Ryan in March of 1949 ... Noss was known to have taken at least 88 bars of gold out of the hidden tunnels inside the mountain."

(Pages 309-310).

Childress continues this revealing report:

"Because of an article published in the November, 1968 issue of True Treasure magazine there was renewed interest in the fabulous treasure, and a prospector named Harvey Snow was approached by three ranchers who lived in the area west of the Victorio Peak site. Snow had spent 25 years exploring the entire White Sands area, and the ranchers felt that Snow could lead them into the treasure area, bypassing the Army patrols that guarded the missile range."

Because of a story told Snow many years before by a cowboy who had followed Doc Noss to a hidden tunnel, he believed that the treasure was not at Victorio Peak, but on another peak, Hard Scrabble Peak which was also on government property.

As Mr. Childress tell us:

"Snow's incredible story is then related by Mr. Chandler; On the second day I found the cave with the sloping steps. I went down the steps; down and down. I don't know how far. I estimated maybe thirteen hundred or fourteen hundred steps. The bottom step, the last one was rounded at the bottom so that when you stepped on it, it would roll. It was tied to a bow and arrow with rawhide, but the rawhide had rotted a long time ago. I got in there."

(Page 310)

At the bottom of the steps Snow described a big room with a stream of hot water running through it. Snow followed the tunnel from room to room; sometimes the tunnel would become so narrow that he had to get down on his hands and knees. In one room Snow reported,

"I found some things. I found small stacks ... one of gold, one of copper and one of silver."



"I figured I would come back for that and went on. I next came to a big room. Here there were a bunch of side tunnels running north and south. They were all natural, nothing man made. Here where they intersected, they made a big W. I did not go down these tunnels, I stayed with the stream going west ... At the far end of the main room I found some things I cannot tell you about..."

(Page 311).

"Snow's story is fascinating and virtually unbelievable to most people. He walked 14 miles in an underground tunnel. The 1400 steps or so that he walked down to the subterranean river must have been a good 800 or 900 feet below the entrance. The tunnel was crossed at least in one spot by another tunnel running at a right angle to the one he was following."

(Pages 113-114).

As we can see from these reports, there exists under the White Sands New Mexico area an extensive system of lengthy tunnels that have been there for ages. It seems to me that if the government wanted underground bases they would make use of these existing tunnels, yet modern researchers never seem to even hint of their existence. Why not?

Mr. Childress made a telling observation concerning government involvement:

"The gold that was at one time stored in Victorio Peak has been seized by the U.S. government, particularly the Army and the CIA."

And I thought the CIA was concerned with foreign intelligence. Where's the connection? The Inner Beings perhaps?

"The Army was known to have bulldozed the peak out, and even place a steel door over the entrance to the mountain ... The Army assured the state that there was no gold in Victorio Peak and never has been."

"Never-the-less Chandler shows that a top secret operation took place at White Sands Missile Range on August 10, 1961. On this date the Secret Service, with the help of certain Army personnel at the range recovered the gold, and moved it to various locations for various purposes."

These claims are backed up by, of all people, Former White House counsel, John Dean in his book Blind Ambition (1976). In it he told of CIA operations dealing with bars of gold.

"Egil Krogh had described to me how, when he was bored with his deskwork, he had carried bars of gold bullion through Asia's 'Golden Triangle' in CIA planes and bargained with drug chieftains ... The gold bars used in these illegal, clandestine operations allegedly came from the tunnel system inside of Victorio Peak."

(Pages 314-315).

Besides furnishing our corrupt government with the finances to destroy a generation of Americans with dangerous drugs, the bastards had a large tunnel system in place. It stands to reason that this is one of the systems they are using for their nefarious and black deeds.



When will the American people wake up to the fact that there are a lot of horrible things going on ... right below our feet?



The Four Corners

Another popular place for talk of underground activity is the area known as the Four Corners. This is the place where Utah, Colorado, Arizona and New Mexico meet to share a common border. According to intelligence reports from several of my sources there are "at least six underground facilities in this area." This is also the area where a large number of people died a "mysterious" death a few years back. Are there connections?

This harsh but beautiful arid land is also where the government decided to place several Indian Reservations. However, the Hopi Indians have been in this area as long as they can remember and luckily for us, their history of origin contains important details not found in the memory of other tribes.

The Hopi believe that this world we live in is the Fourth World and the other three are inside the earth. In stages, and through many hardships, they emerged from a hole called Sipapu, entrance to the Hopi underground. Bruce A. Walton (Branton)mtells us in A Guide to the Inner Earth (1983):

"It is a sacred place of pilgrimage for the Hopi, at the bottom of the Canyon of the Little Colorado above it's junction with the Colorado River."

(Page 66).

But, unlike most of the emergence stories of the other clans, the Hopi describe the city near from which they came. This city is called Palitkwapi, meaning "legendary Red City of the South." It is interesting to note that Frank Waters tells us in The Book of the Hopi (1965)

"No one knows where Palatkwapi might have been. Some of our Hopi spokesmen, who are able to read Hopi meanings from symbols and pictographs carved on Mayan stelae and temple walls, believe that the center of the Mayan Old Empire, Palenque, in Chiapas, Mexico was the Hopi legendary city of Palatkwapi."

(Notes: Page 68).

In support of this theory of Palatkwapi being the same city as Palenque browse through any of the many National geographic magazines containing photos and paintings of the mysterious Mayan ruins and it won't take you long to realize that the Ancient Mayan cities were predominantly bright red. And if you'll read Plasma Guns & Sub-riders in THEI Volume 1 #3, you'll find my research concerning Lord Pacal. Lord Pacal was sent from Valum Chivin (the underworld) to Valum Votan (the upper world) and there he founded the city of Palenque. This we see gives us a direct link of unbroken evidence of a migration of people northward from the Inner Lands.



Summary

By the use of thugs and murders, after Queen Isabelle and Columbus double-crossed the elitist the "Keepers of the Secret" tried to destroy the true history of the origin of many Native Americans. However, by studying the oral history of these wise people we find that they came from the Inner Lands. Before the controllers got their hands on the truth and completely covered it over it a few American Archaeology books were written which tell the true story of people migrating south to north.

We have traced the Hopi tribe from their emergence near the ancient Mexican town of Palatkwapi/Palenque their present home in the Four Corners. We have looked at many accounts of underground passages in the Four Corners and the White Sands area of New Mexico. Accounts recorded long before today's researchers started sending out reams of reports proving the government has control of underground facilities in these and other areas of the world, yet not a word on the possible origin of the ancient underground excavations. But, using what we know of these underground passageways, we can safely state that they were probably the trade routes connecting the Inner World with the Outer world.

Now the next question that comes to mind ... what is our corrupt government doing in this area between the two worlds? We'll never know the truth until we quit looking with glazed eyes off into space, and turn our attention to the evidence that is right under our feet.

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Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: sky otter on September 26, 2013, 02:52:53 AM
http://www.weirdus.com/states/california/fabled_people_and_places/lizard_people/index.php


The Underground City Of The Lizard People
Deep beneath the heart of Los Angeles' financial district, hundreds of feet below the huge downtown edifices that house banks, corporate offices, and government agencies, lies another city remembered only in obscure Indian legends, an underground world built by a strange race that vanished five thousand years ago.

At least that's what mining engineer W. Warren Shufelt claimed in the January 29, 1934 edition of the Los Angeles Times. According to reporter Jean Bosquet, Shufelt was ready to dig up downtown L.A. in search of this ancient subterranean civilization.

Shufelt had first heard of the city in a Hopi Indian legend about the "Lizard People." They were a fabled lost race who had who had nearly been wiped out after a meteor shower rained down on the
 


Southwest back around 3,000 BC. (Arizona's famous Winslow Crater was said to be Ground Zero of this fiery deluge.) 

The Lizard People constructed thirteen subterranean settlements along the Pacific Coast, to shelter the tribe against future disasters. These underground cities housed a thousand families each, along with stockpiles of food. As the story had it, the tribe used a "chemical solution" that melted solid bedrock to bore out the tunnels and rooms of their subsurface shelters.

Along with housing their people in the event of a disaster, the tunnels were also constructed to hold a trove of golden tablets that chronicled the tribe's history, the origin of humankind, and the story of the world back to creation. Shufelt was particularly interested in these tablets for both pecuniary and archeological reasons.

A Hopi chief named Little Green Leaf told Shufelt that the vanished race's capital city was located under present-day downtown Los Angeles. In 1933, after surveying the area, Shufelt occupied the Banning property at 518 North Hill Street and sank a 350-shaft straight down, digging for what he said was a "treasure room" directly underneath. Shufelt said that he had located gold in the catacombs below with the aid of his "radio X-ray."

This peculiar instrument, which was sort of a tricked-up dowsing rod, had also helped Shufelt map the location and extent of the underground tunnels. He said that the subterranean city was shaped like a giant lizard, with the head in the vicinity of Chavez Ravine (the present location of Dodger Stadium), and the tail tapering out beneath the Central Library. The "key room," the chamber that contained the map of the city and the directory to the gold tablets, lay several hundred feet under the present site of Times-Mirror Square. Shufelt also claimed that he'd traced passages stretching to the area around the Southwest Museum, and said that ventilation tunnels extended westward, opening at the Pacific Ocean.

Despite all his extensive mapping and plotting of the treasure-filled underground city, Shufelt never actually found it. Shortly after the Times story appeared, the project, which had been authorized by the City Council over a year earlier, suddenly ceased, and Shufelt and his cohorts disappeared. The whole mysterious, improbable business was written off by a hoax, and quickly forgotten. Since then, inexplicable tunnels have been unearthed in downtown Los Angeles, but they've usually been explained away as the work of smugglers hiding illegal Chinese laborers in the 19th century.

But Shufelt wasn't the only modern Californian who believed that an ancient underground city lay beneath Los Angeles. As a postscript to this strange little tale, let's look at the vision of Miss Edith Elden Robinson of Pico Rivera, which appeared in the highly respected American Society for Psychic Research's journal.

On the evening of December 22, 1933, five weeks before Shufelt's excavations hit the pages of the Times, the clairvoyant Miss Robinson envisioned that under Los Angeles lay "a vast city...in mammoth tunnels extending to the sea-shore." She said that the tunnels had been constructed by a vanished race to protect themselves from danger, and to provide access to the sea.

Who knows? Maybe this fabulous subterranean city really existed. Perhaps it's even populated with latter-day Lizard People who live hidden and unsuspected hundreds of feet below modern-day Los Angeles, emerging only furtively to watch the 21st-century barbarians slowly strangle their own surface-level civilization with smog, traffic and urban sprawl.  –MM

Weird California

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http://www.holloworbs.com/Apache_Underground.htm

Apache Underground!


Below, the reader will find two short excerpts from the book Lost Cities of North America, by David Hatcher Childress. At the very bottom there is a very interesting conclusion or two.



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this one also somehwere else on here


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1392797/Unseen-1-800-years-Archaeologists-120m-tunnel-leading-funeral-chambers-deep-ancient-Mexican-city.html


Unseen for 1,800 years: Archaeologists find 120m tunnel leading to 'funeral chambers' deep below ancient Mexican city
By Daily Mail Reporter
UPDATED: 09:32 EST, 1 June 2011


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http://mysteriousall.com/2012/05/the-ancient-underground-tunnels.html


The ancient underground tunnels
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The ancient underground tunnels wrapped in a web of nearly the entire globe, was born thanks to the event, what happened in 2003 As a result of the validation data, it was found that the life jacket is really belonged to Sema Belovsky. But how this thing could get out of the waters of Indian Ocean water lost in the depths of the lake in central Russia, breaking the distance of 4000 kilometers, and it is a straight line? And then there was an incredible version of the existence of ancient underground tunnels that connect remote areas of the Earth. But who paved the way these underground when and for what purpose remains a mystery story.
Not once, not one student drew attention to the existence, along with the lines underground, mine workings and natural caves, underground cavities created by ancient civilizations, as it were by our predecessors. It is not just about giant halls, machining the walls of which almost completely hide the secondary natural processes (stalactites and stalagmites, sinters and cracks).

Besides these, there are linear structures – ancient tunnels. Interestingly, at the beginning of this century, has considerably increased the frequency of finds of fragments of these "crossings" in different parts of our planet.
In order to identify the ancient tunnels, you need versatile geological knowledge of the natural processes of transformation of the earth's crust and underground cavities that occur during the development of the planet, as well as the technique of man-made underground rabot. Odnako identification is real. First of all, the ancient tunnels differ from the objects of natural origin and modern facilities constructed under the ground, a more accurate treatment of the walls (mainly wall cavities melted), a clear direction and orientation.
Just enter into confusion enormous size of ancient tunnels and their prohibitive antiquity, yet inaccessible to human understanding. Approximate date of their appearance to announce the one not taken, but we can assume that the ancient tunnels were laid at different times. Let's look at some actual information available about the ancient underground mines and tunnels.

further down in the article


From the words of his father followed that of the ancient tunnels can be reached at different points of the planet. On the left tunnel to get to Germany, England and America. The right also leads to the territory of Russia, the Caucasus, China and Japan, and then to the Americas, where he met with the left tunnel.
It remains a mystery, by whom and for what purpose have been constructed tunnels. But it is clear that the creatures that inhabit our planet millions of years ago, and possibly hidden in the bowels of the present day, had a more profound knowledge than the knowledge of semiconductors, diodes, d226, its characteristics, operating conditions and storage. And the knowledge we are not open yet.

Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: undo11 on September 26, 2013, 03:50:18 AM
Quote from: sky otter on September 26, 2013, 02:52:53 AM
http://www.weirdus.com/states/california/fabled_people_and_places/lizard_people/index.php

lies another city remembered only in obscure Indian legends, an underground world built by a strange race that vanished five thousand years ago.

At least that's what mining engineer W. Warren Shufelt claimed in the January 29, 1934 edition of the Los Angeles Times. According to reporter Jean Bosquet, Shufelt was ready to dig up downtown L.A. in search of this ancient subterranean civilization.


holy toledo! 
i came to the same conclusion (not about under LA, just about them disappearing 5000 years ago!)
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: ArMaP on September 26, 2013, 09:22:01 AM
Two things I find interesting:

1 - the original Daily Mail article says "evidence of tunnels", not that they found tunnels
2 - no reference to areas with most stone age sites, like France and the Iberian Peninsula
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: Pimander on September 26, 2013, 11:58:06 AM
This is a topic I have been meaning to give more attention to for a long time now.  I don't think I have ever looked at a mythology of a culture and not seen some reference to ancients from below the Earth.

If you believe that there are dudes with big eyes who need shades without breathing apparatus to wander round earth, then being underground is possibly where they evolved.  It is dark down there but there is still air.  I'd also suggest that UV might be harmful if you had been under there for a long time so you would probably come out at night....
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: Somamech on October 07, 2013, 08:13:51 PM
The whole topic of those that came from the underground is fascinating to say the very least ;)

I mentioned this in another thread of how only this year I heard of two different culture's mentioning that their ancestor's came from a Hole in Earth.

1:  This is not the best link to show in regards to the Aussie Black Fella's and one story regarding ancestors from a deep blooming hole... but on the same token you get to see what the doco is about, and I'm waiting to see if it come's out on bluray.

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/firstfootprints/   

2:  I am still trying to find a picture I took inside a National park in Taiwan regarding wildlife and aboriginal's where one tribe clearly stated they came from a hole in the ground.  From a quick search it looks like they hit English on the web!

http://www.spnp.gov.tw/v2/default.aspx?lang=1 

No pics yet, but that is the National park where there is a placard inside the musuem/hq stating that some tribe came from the earth.











Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: Pimander on October 07, 2013, 08:24:25 PM
The crucial question for me is:  Are the stories literal or symbolic?

Are the stories symbolically linked to the idea that the unconscious archetypal world?  Or are/were there literally humanoids underground.  Did humans have a period under the Earth?  Have ancient reptilians or dinosaurs retreated below due to a catastrophe?  A mixture of these ideas?

Such an interesting topic.
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: Somamech on October 07, 2013, 09:06:20 PM
Yeah I know what you mean...  :o

I like to take it literally for the most part as that is what they say.  On the same token though I recall the Taiwan site saying that something else was going which was very "God" like in superioty which scared people.  Come to think of it I think the Black Fellas had the same sorta fear complex going on.   :-\
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: Pimander on October 07, 2013, 09:51:41 PM
I am looking into one or two of the claims.  I'll report back with my initial findings tomorrow.
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: Amaterasu on October 07, 2013, 09:54:42 PM
Some of the "Native American" lore also speaks of ancestors that came out of the earth.  It's been a while and I suppose I could re-research, but the Hopi, perhaps?  Think in South America too... 

Anyway, yes.  Coming from the earth is another ubiquitous "myth," like the flood.
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:06:15 PM
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 07, 2013, 09:54:42 PM
Some of the "Native American" lore also speaks of ancestors that came out of the earth. 

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Death Valley, CA - Local Indians speak of a tunnel that runs beneath the desert. (Note: The book 'Death Valley Men', tells the story of three people who are supposed to have found an underground city connected with this tunnel, and who actually took treasures from it. The entrance to the Death Valley tunnel is in the Panamint Mountains down on the lower edge of the range near Wingate Pass, in the bottom of an old abandoned shaft. The bottom of the shaft is collapsed, opening an entrance into a larger tunnel system containing much treasure. These tunnels connect with the surface also trough arches (like large windows) in the side of the mountain, and they look down on Death Valley. They're high above the valley now, but they were once on the edge of the water, and were accessed by boats. The 'windows' in the Death Valley side of the Panamint Moutnains are about 4,500-5,000 feet above the bottom of the valley, and are across from Furnace Creek Ranch. You can drive down Emigrant Canyon towards Death Valley. You can park beside the road between Furnace Creek Ranch and Salt Bed. From here, the 'windows' should be visible through binoculars.
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:07:18 PM
The Dwarf's Door in Ceský Ráj, Bohemia, Czech Republic

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Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:09:18 PM
More Hobbits :D

Caves of Udayagiri at Bhubaneswar - Orissa - India


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Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:12:30 PM
In India, there is still a strong belief in the reality of Nagas - a race of "serpent people" or "lizard men" who have made their homes in two major Underground cities (or civilisations), Bhogavati and Patala. Bhogavati is believed to be underneath the Himalayas, and it is said that from there the Nagas wage war on other human subterraneans from the subsurface kingdoms of Agharta and Shambala.

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Knowledge of sound formed a singular science in those early days. It was known then what has been forgotten now, that everything has a sound, that even emotions create sounds that are "heard" by others. All through the Dvapara Yuga, devas of the inner worlds served and helped the inhabitants of this planet through birds. If one were ill, he could go into the forest and by concentrating and riding ...awareness in on the tones of singing birds, the physical body would be healed. Meditation was performed for practical reasons, not only for Self Realization, which was of utmost importance. Meditation drew one closer to the satguru's mind and invoked the help of beings behind the veil between the two worlds. Meditation was pursued for healing, arts, culture and myriad other sciences of that day.

Chapter 16 from the Lemurian Scrolls

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Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:16:30 PM
In Celtic mythology there is a legend of a cave called "Cruachan," also known as "Ireland's gate to Hell," a legendary and ancient cave from which according to legend strange creatures would emerge in ancient times and be seen on the surface of the Earth. There are also stories of medieval knights and saints who went on pilgrimages to a cave located in Station Island, County Donegal in Ireland, where they made journeys inside the Earth into a place of purgatory. There is an Irish myth which says tunnels in County Down, Northern Ireland lead to the land of the subterranean Tuatha de Danaan, a group of people who are believed to have introduced Druidism to Ireland, and then went back underground.

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Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:23:37 PM
Just adding all these for safe keeping... until I have time to follow up and post on the website

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LOS ANGELES - A legendary underground city, now flooded, is said to lie below the Los Angeles Public Library and surrounding areas. Patterned after the shape of a lizard, the city is said to be connected to Mt. Shasta, and was built by an ancient race that revered reptiles. Although filled with Gold, parts of the ancient city has become flooded. Source; Quest for the Lost city, article by Sanford M. Cleveland in Amazing Stories Magazine, July 1947; see also The Lizard people under Los Angeles.

Deep beneath the heart of Los Angeles' financial district, hundreds of feet below the huge downtown edifices that house banks, corporate offices, and government agencies, lies another city remembered only in obscure Indian legends, an underground world built by a strange race that vanished five thousand years ago.

At least that's what mining engineer W. Warren Shufelt claimed in the January 29, 1934 edition of the Los Angeles Times. According to reporter Jean Bosquet, Shufelt was ready to dig up downtown L.A. in search of this ancient subterranean civilization.

Shufelt had first heard of the city in a Hopi Indian legend about the "Lizard People." They were a fabled lost race who had who had nearly been wiped out after a meteor shower rained down on the

Southwest back around 3,000 BC. (Arizona's famous Winslow Crater was said to be Ground Zero of this fiery deluge.)

The Lizard People constructed thirteen subterranean settlements along the Pacific Coast, to shelter the tribe against future disasters. These underground cities housed a thousand families each, along with stockpiles of food. As the story had it, the tribe used a "chemical solution" that melted solid bedrock to bore out the tunnels and rooms of their subsurface shelters.

Along with housing their people in the event of a disaster, the tunnels were also constructed to hold a trove of golden tablets that chronicled the tribe's history, the origin of humankind, and the story of the world back to creation. Shufelt was particularly interested in these tablets for both pecuniary and archeological reasons.

A Hopi chief named Little Green Leaf told Shufelt that the vanished race's capital city was located under present-day downtown Los Angeles. In 1933, after surveying the area, Shufelt occupied the Banning property at 518 North Hill Street and sank a 350-shaft straight down, digging for what he said was a "treasure room" directly underneath. Shufelt said that he had located gold in the catacombs below with the aid of his "radio X-ray."

This peculiar instrument, which was sort of a tricked-up dowsing rod, had also helped Shufelt map the location and extent of the underground tunnels. He said that the subterranean city was shaped like a giant lizard, with the head in the vicinity of Chavez Ravine (the present location of Dodger Stadium), and the tail tapering out beneath the Central Library. The "key room," the chamber that contained the map of the city and the directory to the gold tablets, lay several hundred feet under the present site of Times-Mirror Square. Shufelt also claimed that he'd traced passages stretching to the area around the Southwest Museum, and said that ventilation tunnels extended westward, opening at the Pacific Ocean.

Despite all his extensive mapping and plotting of the treasure-filled underground city, Shufelt never actually found it. Shortly after the Times story appeared, the project, which had been authorized by the City Council over a year earlier, suddenly ceased, and Shufelt and his cohorts disappeared. The whole mysterious, improbable business was written off by a hoax, and quickly forgotten. Since then, inexplicable tunnels have been unearthed in downtown Los Angeles, but they've usually been explained away as the work of smugglers hiding illegal Chinese laborers in the 19th century.

But Shufelt wasn't the only modern Californian who believed that an ancient underground city lay beneath Los Angeles. As a postscript to this strange little tale, let's look at the vision of Miss Edith Elden Robinson of Pico Rivera, which appeared in the highly respected American Society for Psychic Research's journal.

On the evening of December 22, 1933, five weeks before Shufelt's excavations hit the pages of the Times, the clairvoyant Miss Robinson envisioned that under Los Angeles lay "a vast city...in mammoth tunnels extending to the sea-shore." She said that the tunnels had been constructed by a vanished race to protect themselves from danger, and to provide access to the sea.

Who knows? Maybe this fabulous subterranean city really existed. Perhaps it's even populated with latter-day Lizard People who live hidden and unsuspected hundreds of feet below modern-day Los Angeles, emerging only furtively to watch the 21st-century barbarians slowly strangle their own surface-level civilization with smog, traffic and urban sprawl.

Source; Weird California
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:25:55 PM
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Huge cave-ins and sink holes are not uncommon in Naples. Unregulated development by speculators and lack of engineering code enforcement increased the problem, as seen below with evidence of tunnels into huge caverns and ancient tufo quarries.
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Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:27:35 PM
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The Subterranean Express - Inner Earth
The Blowing Cave and Shaver Mystery


One of the odd stories related to Inner Earth is set in Blowing Cave, near Cushman, Arkansas, where a man named George D. Wight is said to have found a subterranean civilization and proven the Shaver Mystery. Though Wight disappeared, his story survives in a diary he allegedly wrote.

In the 1950s, Wight was a UFO buff from Michigan. Wight knew of Richard Shaver's claims, published in the 1940s in the Ziff-Davis science-fiction magazines Amazing Stories and Fantastic Adventures, that the remnants of two advanced races, tero and dero (good and evil respectively), lived in vast caverns under Earth's surface. Though Wight was skeptical of these claims, he had an interest incave-exploring that he indulged with David L., for whose mimeographed saucer newsletter Wight contributed a regular column.

They did their spelunking with three other men. All of them were acquainted with Charles A. Marcoux, another columnist for the magazine. Unlike the others, Marcoux was an obsessed believer in Shaverian concepts, to the extent that he gave occasional public lectures on the subject. The spelunkers sometimes attended those lectures but considered his beliefs absurd.

In 1966, the group, now consisting of twelve persons, went down to Arkansas to explore Blowing Cave on a week-long expedition. On their return, members wrote letters to Ray Palmer, once editor of Amazing Stories and Shaver's principal promoter, claiming that they had encountered intelligent beings— Shaver's teros—deep inside the cavern. Palmer did not reply. Apparently a few months later, Wight went back and chose to stay with the underearth people. He returned in 1967 to give a written account to David L., who by this time had left the UFO field and no longer wanted to be publicly associated with it. Wight asked L. to pass on the diary to Charles Marcoux. Wight felt that in ridiculing his beliefs he had wronged him and wanted to provide him with the proof that Shaver was right.

He then returned to his tero friends and has not been seen since. David L., however, had long since lost track of Marcoux, and it was not until thirteen years later that he came upon his name. He tracked him down and handed him the manuscript. Its effect on Marcoux was electrifying, and it set in motion the events that would eventually lead to his premature death.

The manuscript related that while exploring Blowing Cave, the group spotted a light at the end of a tunnel. As the spelunkers approached it, Wight noticed a narrow crevice, just big enough for him to squeeze inside it. There he found clearly artificial steps. He called to his friends, and they climbed through the opening. On the other side of it, the opening expanded, and they were able to walk upright. "Suddenly," Wight wrote, "we came into a large tunnel/corridor, about twenty feet wide and just as high. All the walls and the floor were smooth, and the ceiling had a curved dome shape. We know that this was not a freak of nature, but manmade. We had accidentally stumbled into the secret cavern world" (Toronto, n.d.).

Soon they encountered blue-skinned but otherwise humanlike individuals. The strangers said that they had permitted the crew to find the tunnel and enter it because they had instruments that measured people's emotions; the explorers were determined to have good intentions.
They learned that the tunnels went on for hundreds of miles and led to under earth cities populated by entities that included serpentlike creatures and Sasquatchlike hairy bipeds. Soon after their initial conversation , Wight and his companions were taken to a kind of elevator that led them to the under earthers' place of residence, a city made of glass.

It turned out that their guides were Noah's direct descendants, who had found their way underground in the wake of the flood. There they found supertechnology and the remains of an advanced civilization, along with teros. Apparently at some point, Wight's group met the teros who had been there all along.

This was not the only trip the group took to Blowing Cave. Unable to get anybody on the surface to believe their story, Wight and his friends vowed to return with conclusive proof. During one expedition, they captured a giant cave moth, preserved it in a bag, and brought it up with them. When they opened the bag, however, the sunlight disintegrated the insect into a fine dust.

Not long afterward, Wight decided to stay with the underearth people. According to one source, "all evidence of [his] ever existing began to mysteriously disappear from the surface. Birth certificates, school records, computer records, bank records, etc., all seemed to vanish, apparently the work of someone in a very influential position" (Untitled, n.d.). Other members of the group made another trip into the cave, where they saw their friend for the last time.

Wight returned once to the surface to meet David L. In 1980, Marcoux saw the manuscript and read Wight's words addressed to him: "Yes, Charles, all that you told us is true. . . I owe you a debt of gratitude, because the Teros healed my crippled leg, instantly. I am grateful for more than just that, and I have left these notes and somewhere a map so that you, too, can . . . visit with these people. . . . Maybe we will meet here some day" (Toronto, n.d.). Marcoux set about organizing an expedition, 46 Blowing Cave soliciting members in such small-circulation hollow-earth publications as Shavertron and The Hollow Hassle. Marcoux and his wife moved to Cushman in 1983. There, in November, as he was visiting the land around the cave, a swarm of bees descended on him. The resulting shock and trauma precipitated a heart attack, and he died on the spot.

Some hollow-earth enthusiasts speculated that sinister forces that wanted to keep the caves a secret had caused the attack. Others saw it as just a tragic accident. In any case, Marcoux's death ended efforts to explore Blowing Cave in search of underearthers.

See Also: Hollow earth; Shaver mystery Further Reading Toronto, Richard, n.d. "The Shaver Mystery." http://w w w. p a r a s c o p e . c o m / n b / a rt i c l e s / s h a ve r / My s t e ry.
htm.Untitled, n.d. http://www.rcbbs.com/docs/empire7.txt.

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Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:29:48 PM
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Back Entrance to Telos - My daughter and I were hiking in the ancient volcanic mountains around Dunsmuir, working off a heavy Thanksgiving dinner from the day before. While we hiked through the beautiful autumn leaves we were discussing the folklore surrounding the Mt. Shasta region and the Lemurian civilization said to be living in a massive cave city within the volcanic mountain. Suddenly we rounded a corner and came upon a rugged basalt rock face with two doors. We stopped and took photos, all the while wondering...... when suddenly a tall figure, garbed in colorful attire, appeared from nowhere, and speaking with a slight British accent, greeted us! We asked where he came from and he replied "...from inside the Mountain, the City of Telos". He said we had found one of the back entrances to Telos and he graciously invited us in. Even though we were curious we were also quite frightened, so we declined. The figure then disappeared as quickly as he had arrived...but he first swore us to eternal secrecy...never to reveal the location of the doors to Telos! Until this discovery my daughter and I had considered the Lemurian civilization to be mere folklore! 

Written by Brad - http://www.wunderground.com/
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Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:33:47 PM
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 07, 2013, 09:54:42 PM
Some of the "Native American" lore also speaks of ancestors that came out of the earth.

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Among the Native American peoples, the Navajo legends teach that the forerunners of man came from beneath the Earth. The ancient ones had supernatural powers but were driven from their caverns by a great flood. Once on the surface, they passed on their great knowledge to the human race before once again seeking their great sanctuary.

The Pueblo Indians mythology also places their gods place of origin in the inner earth. The inner world was supposedly connected to the surface people by a hole in the North. The ancient writings of the Chinese, Egyptians, and Eskimos speak of a great opening in the North and of a race of people who live under the Earth's crust. The writings say that their ancestors came from the paradise land in the Earth's interior.

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The Paihute Indians of the southwest USA claim that a Greek or Egyptian-like race first colonized the massive caverns within the Panamint Mts. thousands of years ago [one source claims the base was established around 2500 B.C., which is incidentally about 600 years following the beginnings of the rise of Egyptian intellectual culture] when Death Valley was part of an inland sea connected to the Pacific Ocean. When the sea dried up these people -- who were described as wearing flowing robes draped over one shoulder, head-bands holding back their long dark hair, and bronze-golden skin -- out of necessity began to develop their collective knowledge and intellect and soon afterwards began to construct "silvery flying canoes". At first these flying machines possessed wings, were relatively small, and flew with a dipping movement and a loud 'whirring' noise. As time passed the ships became wingless, grew larger in size, and flew ever more smoothly and silently. Eventually these people, the HAV-MUSUVS moved their civilization into still deeper caverns which they had discovered farther underground, and commenced to explore the nearby planets and eventually other star systems as their own technological explosion began to refine every aspect of their society. These Hav-musuvs have apparently had interplanetary or interstellar travel for 3000-4000 years since they first developed their flying machines. Could they have been one of the many native-terranian "ancient astronaut" civilizations which apparently had colonized Lyra and other systems? The story of the Panamints was related by a Navaho Indian by the name of Oga-Make, who in turn heard it from an old Paihute medicine man.
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:40:37 PM
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"There is an ancient legend among the Hindus of India that tells of a civilisation of immense beauty beneath central Asia. Several underground cities are said to be located north of the Himalayan mountains, possibly in Afghanistan, or under the Hindu Kush. This subterranean Shangri-la is inhabited by a race of golden people who seldom communicate with the surface world. From time to time, they travel into our land through tunnels that stretch in many directions. Entrances to the tunnels are believed to be hidden in several of the ancient cities of the Orient. Tunnel entrances are said to be in Ellora and the Ajanta caverns in the Chandore Mountain range of India."
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:44:06 PM
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Paul Doerr, in issue number 6 of his Newsletter Unknown, related the tradition concerning a race of human giants which, according to stories in the Carolinas islands and especially Papua, allegedly went underground in ancient times.

Once inhabitants of a lost island-continent called "Chamat," they will, according to legend, one day emerge.

This legend is wide-spread throughout Malaysia, which incidentally contains the largest "officially recognized" cavern chamber, the "Sarowak Chamber" on the island of Borneo in the Malaysian islands.

It is said to be 230 ft. wide by 980 ft. long and nowhere less than 270 ft. high, large enough to easily hold within itself the two previous contenders for the world's largest official chamber - Carlsbad's "Big Room" in New Mexico and the "Salle de la Verna" in the Pierre Saint- Martin caverns in France.

A Yankee stadium could fit in one end of the Sarowak chamber with room to spare!
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:45:50 PM
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The word 'Agharta' is of Buddhist origin. It refers to the subterranean World or Empire in whose existence all true Buddhists fervently believe. They also believe that this Subterranean World has millions of inhabitants and many cities, all under the supreme domination of the subterranean world capital, Shamballah, where dwells the supreme ruler of this empire, known in the Orient as the King of the World. It is believed that he gave his orders to the Dalai Lama of Tibet, who was his terrestrial representative. His messages being transmitted through certain secret tunnels connecting the subterranean world with Tibet.
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:48:01 PM
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Several of the early priests in South America reported hearing deathbed confessions from converted Inca Christians. Father Pedro del Sancho in a Relacion told of a dying Quichua Indian who claimed to have been a witness to the ceremonial closing of the tunnels. Father del Sancho wrote:

"...My informant was a subject of the Inca emperor. He was held in high esteem by those in power at Cuzco. He had been a chieftain of his tribe and made a yearly pilgrimage to Cuzco to worship his idolistic gods. It was a custom of the Incas to conquer a tribe or nation and take their idols to Cuzco. Those who wished to worship their ancient idols were forced to travel to the Inca capital. They brought gifts to their heathen idols. They were also expected to pay homage to the Inca emperor during these journeys".

"As he lay dying, the man told me that he was revealing that which no other white man had ever been told. When it became apparent that the empire was falling to the "white devils" from across the sea, the high priest of the Temple of the Sun called a meeting. The men who came together were the highest priests of the land. They met with the sorcerers and magicians from Cuzco and other outlying towns. Also in attendance were other noble consorts from the court of Atahualapa, the last emperor.

"It had reached the ears of these men that my countrymen were interested in gold and silver. Their hatred for the emissaries of his majesty, the king, was beyond description. They agreed at this meeting to spirit away as much of their riches as could be handled. These treasures were placed in ancient tunnels that were in the land when the Incas arrived.

"Also Placed in these subterranean repositories were artifacts and statues deemed sacred to the Incas. When the hoard had been placed in the tunnels, there was a ceremony conducted by the high priest. Following these rites, the entrance to the tunnel was sealed. The opening was concealed in such a manner that one could walk within a few feet and never be aware of the entrance.

"My informant said that the entrance lay in his land, the territory which he ruled. It was under his direction and with his subjects that the openings were sealed. All who were in attendance were sworn to silence under the penalty of death. Although I requested more information on the exact location of the entrance, my informant refused to divulge more than what has been written down here."
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:48:56 PM
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Migrating to this planet in their subtle bodies, many of our forebearers traveled through the Sun. The beginnings of mankind's mission on this planet came in a far-away time, when the atmosphere was dense with waters and gases. Flowers and animals were larger and more exotic than today. At first the transformation from etheric to physical form was difficult, but ceremonies evolved which, using the fragrances of fruits and flowers, brought devotionally to special pedestals, assisted in bringing through beings who absorbed these organic essences to materialize a denser, earthly, fibrous body. These beings loved the many jewels and golden ornaments that were crafted to bedeck and help support their flexible forms. Human life did not evolve from lesser earthly species.

Chapter 1 from the Lemurian Scrolls

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Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:51:42 PM
The Origin of the Eskimos

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QuoteThe ancient writings of the Chinese, Egyptians, Hindus and other races, and the legends of the Eskimos, speak of a great opening in the north and a race that lives under the earth's crust, and that their ancestors came from this paradisical land in the Earth's interior. (May not Santa Claus represent a race memory of a benefactor of humanity who came from this subterranean race, who came to the surface through the north polar opening - perhaps on a flying saucer, symbolized by his flying sled and reindeer?)

Some writers on the subject claim that the interior of the earth is inhabited by a race of small brown-skinned people and also say that the Eskimos, whose racial origin differs from that of all other races on the earth's surface, came from this subterranean race. One explorer declared that those known as the Arctic Highlanders came from the interior of the earth. When the Eskimos were asked where their forefathers came from, they pointed to the north. Some Eskimo legends tell of a paradisical land of great beauty to the north. Eskimo legends also tell of a beautiful land of perpetual light, where there is neither darkness at any time nor a too bright sun.

This wonderful land has a mild climate where large lakes never freeze, where tropical animals roam in herds, and where birds of many colors cloud the sky, a land of perpetual youth, where people live for thousands of years in peace and happiness. There is a story of a British king named Herla, whom the Skraelings (Eskimos) took to a land

If paradise beneath the earth. The Irish have a legend about a lovely land beyond the north, where are continuous light and summer weather. Scandinavian legends tell of a wonderful land far to the north, called "Ultima Thule."

Palmer comments: "Is Admiral Byrd's `land of mystery, center of the great unknown' the same as the `Ultima Thule' of Scandinavian legend?"

Speaking of the origin of the Eskimo, Gardner says:

"That the Eskimo came from the interior of the earth, that is to say, from a location which they could not easily explain to the Norwegians who might have asked them where they originally came from, is shown by the fact that the early Norwegians regarded them as a supernatural people, a species of fairy. When we remember that in the efforts of these Eskimos to tell where they came from they would point to the north and describe a land of perpetual sunshine, it is easy to see that the Norwegians who associated the polar regions with the end of the world, certainly not with a new world, would wonder at the strange origin thus indicated. They would naturally assume that these were supernatural beings who came from some region under the earth - as that was always considered to be the abode of fairies, gnomes and similar creatures."

And according to Nansen this is precisely what happened. He says:

"I have already stated that the Norse name 'Skraeling' for Eskimo must have originally been used as a designation of fairies or mythical creatures. Furthermore there is much that would imply that when the Icelanders first met with the Eskimo in Greenland they looked upon them as fairies. They, therefore, called them `trolls,' an ancient common name for various sorts of supernatural beings. This view persisted more or less in later times."

Nansen goes on to tell us that when these Skraelings, or Eskimos, were mentioned in Latin writings, the word was translated as "Pygmaei," meaning "short, undergrown people of supernatural aspect." In the middle ages they were supposed to inhabit Thule, which refers to the ultimate land beyond the north. This belief in Thule, a land beyond the Pole, inhabited by a strange people, was very widespread. Nansen tells us that from St. Augustine the knowledge of these pigmies reached Isidore, and from him it passed over all of medieval Europe - in the sense of a fabulous people from the uttermost parts of the north, a fairy people.

A Welshman, Walter Mapes, in the latter part of the twelfth century, in his collection of anecdotes, tells of a prehistoric king of Briton called Herla, who met with the Skraelings or Eskimos, who took him beneath the earth. Many early legends tell of people going under the earth into a strange realm, staying there for a long period of time and later returning. The ancient Irish had a legend of a land beyond the sea where the sun always shone and it was always summer weather. They even thought that some of their heroes had gone there and returned - after which they were never satisfied with their own country.

A thirteenth century Norwegian writer is quoted by Nansen, according to whom the Eskimos were believed at this time to be a supernatural people, small in stature, and hence different in their origin than the other inhabitants of the earth. Gardner writes:

"Nansen says that Eskimo settlements increase not only by the tribe growing in numbers, but by `fresh immigration from the north,' which clearly points to further additions from the interior of the earth.

"That they originally came from a land of constant sunshine, from a country much past the northern ice barrier is the tradition of the Eskimos themselves, and it is a tradition which must be given full weight, for it could not have arisen among them in the first place without cause. On this point Dr. Senn says: `When questioned as to the land of their origin, they invariably point north without having the faintest perception what this means.'

"Naturally the Eskimos do not know that the earth is hollow and that ages ago they lived in its interior, but they have clung to that one simple fact - they came from the north. Dr. Senn denies that they have any characteristics in common with the North American Indian and thinks that they are the remnant of `the oldest inhabitants of the western hemisphere.' In this attributing of great antiquity to them he may be right - at least he there agrees with Nansen. But the interior of the earth and not the western hemisphere is evidently the place of their original abode.

"As for the land of perpetual sunshine, the Eskimo, of course, does not remember that as something he himself has seen, for it is very questionable if any of the Eskimos of the present generation have ever penetrated to the interior. But it is a well known fact that every race has its idea of a `golden age' or paradise which is generally composed of the elements being handed down in its stories and myths as being characteristic of its earliest home. Thus the Eskimo legends handed down generation after generation, tales of the interior land with its ever shining sun, and what could be more natural than when the Eskimo came to build in fancy a paradise for himself and his loved ones after they should die, that he should reconstruct this first home of which he had heard only dim legends? That at any rate, is just what he had done.

Dr. Senn, discussing their religion says:

"They believe in a future world. The soul descends beneath the earth into various abodes - the first of which is somewhat in the nature of a purgatory. But the good spirits passing through it find that the other mansions improve till at a great depth they reach that of perfect bliss, where the sun never sets, and where by the side of great lakes that never freeze, the deer roam in large herds and the seal and the walrus always abound in the waters.'

"That paradise might serve as almost a literal description of the land in the interior of the earth, and the way in which the Eskimo indicates a preliminary purgatory before it can be reached may be the reflection of a memory handed down in the tribe of the great hardships and difficulties of the ice barrier between that wonderful home and the present situation of the Eskimo on the southern side of that great natural obstacle.

"It is also interesting to note that when the Eskimo first saw Peary's effort to get further north than the great ice-cap of Greenland - beyond which they themselves had no ambition to explore - they immediately thought that the reason for his trying to get further north was to get into communication with other tribes there. That idea would hardly have occurred to them if it were not for the fact that they had traditional or other evidence of people in the supposedly unpopulated north.

"With such a weight of evidence all pointing one way it is very hard to resist the conclusion that in the Eskimo we find a type, changed now and mixed with other types, but still something of a type of human being that has inhabited or very likely still inhabits the interior of the earth. We can certainly find no origin for them that explains their present situation. And their legends admit of no other explanation either. For those legends certainly point to the same sort of land as every chapter of this book has pointed to - a land of perpetual sunlight and a mild climate, a land corresponding to the `Ultima Thule' of ancient legend and that may, sooner than the skeptic expects, be opened up once more to those who go properly equipped to seek it."

Gardner says that both the Eskimo and Mongolian race came from the interior of the earth, since they resemble each other in many ways, including the unusual formation of their eyes, so different from that of other races.

Gardner writes:

"It is quite possible that the Eskimos are not descended from any tribes driven out of China as that might imply, but that the Chinese as well as the Eskimos originally came from the interior of the earth.

By: Dr. R. W. Bernard, B.A., M.A., Ph.D.
The Hollow Earth Chapter 6:
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Santa Catarina in Brazil is an area alive with noises coming from underground. There are reports that in Santa Catarina subterranean fruit orchards can be found. There is also another entrance found in the state of Sao Paulo near Concepiao. The local legend is that the states of Santa Catarina and Parana are honeycombed by a net of Atlantean tunnels that lead to subterranean cities. Manaus, Brazil, Mato Grosso, (were Beneath its plain lies the city of Posid) Iguaçú Falls, Border of Brazil and Argentina.
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Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:54:09 PM
The Land Beyond the North Wind

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Hyperborea refers to an area in the distant north, from the Greek words hyper, meaning "beyond," (as in hyperspace or hyperactive) and borea, referring to the northern wind (as in the aurora borealis). The land of the Hyperboreans was perfect, with the sun shining twenty-four hours a day and was a fabulous realm of eternal spring. The inhabitants of Hyperborea were giants with life spans of 1000 years and enjoyed lives of complete happiness without sickness or misery. The ancient Greeks were reputed to have dealings from time to time with the long-lived inhabitants of Hyperborea as recounted by their folklore and mythologies.

This land 'beyond the North Wind' in its eternal state of spring and the giant stature and longevity of its inhabitants also matches precisely with the experiences of others and Olaf Jansen when he journeyed to the interior of the earth with his father in the mid-19th century.
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Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:55:05 PM
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Legends of ancestral origins in subterranean lands are also found in Africa and Australia. Australian aborigines believe their ancestors came up out of the ground, travelled about the country and created new tribes, then 'ultimately journeyed away beyond the confines of their territory, or went down into the ground again'. According to the native traditions of the Caroline Islands, Papua New Guinea, and Malaysia, a subterranean race of giants went underground in ancient times. Once inhabitants of the lost continent of Chamat, they will one day 'emerge and remake the world'. Natives of the Trobiand Islands believe that their ancestors emerged from a subterranean existence through a special hole. Tribes in Bengal and Burma also believe their ancestors emerged from a subterranean world.
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Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:56:03 PM
Giant Crystal Cave Mexico

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Title: Re: the ancient underground
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In his book ''Mysteries of Ancient South America'', Harold T. Wilkins relates the following information, which appears on page 176. ''Fuentes, who lived about A.D. 1689, and wrote an unpublished manuscript history of Guatemala, speaks of the amazingly large and ancient towns, inhabited by an unknown and long vanished race, found there by the conquistadores.

He says: ''The marvelous structure of the tunnels (subterranean) of the pueblo of Puchuta, being of the most firm and solid cement, runs and continues trough the interior of the land for the prolonged distance of nine leagues to the pueblo of Tecpan, Guatemala. It is a proof of the power of these ancient kings and their vassals.''

''He gives no hint of the uses to which these amazing tunnels, more than thirthy miles long, on the basis of the old Castellon league, were built by these ancient races of old America.

''It may be, too, that the great tunnel of the Inca's had a branch, and underground way leading under the forests, eastwards of Cuzco, in the very direction taken by Inca Tupac Amaru, his army and his host of camp-following refugees, in the late sixteen century?

''May be, the fleeing Peruvians vanished into these mysterious tunnels and left only the whispering leaves of the trees of the dense green forests, as mute witnesses to their secret exits?''
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The following letter appeared in the September, 1945 issue of Amazing Stories Magazine, on page 175:

''Sirs: Near the city of Cuzco stands an old Incan fort, Sacsahuaman. In one spot amidst the crumbling stones is a low dark opening leading into the bowels of the Earth. In the year 1850 or '51, seven students of the Cuzco University entered the forbidden dark hole. That was the last that was ever seen of them. The authorities then ordered the entrance walled up...''

--- Miss Eleanore Kramer, Chicago, illinois
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Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:59:20 PM
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In the old Spanish Garavanza district, where Avenue 64 and York Boulevard now lie, there used to be a ranch owned by Ralph Rodgers who had employed several Mexican and Chinese workers. In early 1900 Andrew C. Smith and Charles A. Elder, discovered a rumored tunnel entrance in the area and reported it to the local newspaper, whose editor confirmed their story. They explored the tunnel to some depth. They also learned from a Mexican elder of a native American village that existed on the banks of the Arroyo Seco River.

When the Spanish entered the area this man, Juan Dominquez, had explored the tunnel ''leading to a gigantic cave and then still going further down; spreading under the entire village of Garavanza and connecting to the Spanish Church of the Angels on North Avenue 64.

One entrance was reportedly located along the west bluff of Arroyo Seco River about 300 feet south of the former Pasadena Ave. Rail Bridge, and about 20 feet above the stream, but the city ''blew up'' the entrance after children were hurt in the cave, and a Freeway now exists in the area, however a secret opening still exists in the basement of the Spanish church mentioned above.

Early visitors to the cave had reported ''many caverns and tunneld going deep down, with eerie voices coming from them.'' The cave used to be used be natives for ritual purposes.

Source: Article by Hank Krastman in The Hollow Hassle Insider, vol. 3, No. 1; The Church of the Angels - Los Angeles
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 10:59:54 PM
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One interesting legend which 'may' give a clue as to how the Inca race 'originated' into Peru, is recorded on page 42 of Harold Osborne's book ''SOUTH AMERICAN MYTHOLOGY''. The legend/tradition is as follows:

''The first version tells of a cliff with three small cave mouths, or a building with three exits, about twenty miles from the present city of Cuzco. It was called Paccari-Tambo (Inn of origin) or Tambotocco (place of the hole).

In Prehistoric times four brothers and four sisters, who were to be the founders of the Inca dynasty, emerged from the middle exit. Their names and numbers are differently given. According to some versions the ancestors of other non-royal Inca clans emerged from the other two exits.''

Later on in this book, there is a particular legend which states that after the ancestors of the Incas emerged from the caves, they passed trough two areas known as ''Apitay'' and ''Huana Cauri'' while on their way to the present city of Cuzco, which many believe to be the 'birthplace' of the Inca civilization.
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Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 11:01:11 PM
Worldatlas from 1569 showing the Polar opening

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Title: Re: the ancient underground
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CUSHMAN - Caverns west and north-west of the town are legendary for stories of deep cavern systems, encounters with hairy humanoids with an attitude, giant serpents and insects, deadly gas pockets, strange electro-magnetic phenomena and unexplained disappearances. One of these is "Blowing Cave" which lies in the mining area NW of Cushman and is located 1/4 mile north of a road leading west from Cushman, one of several caverns in the area, some of them connecting at the deeper levels. Between the large entrance and an underground lake far back in the cave is a trail that winds through an area of rubble or "breakdown". The trail is intersected by a crack in the earth between the entrance and the lake] that, if followed into the breakdown, widens enough to enter. This chasm is reportedly an entrance to the endless networks of the 'alien' underworld. source: Charles Marcoux - - George Wight - D. A. Lopez; TRIP TO A CUSHMAN CAVERN
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ANAHEIM - On Nov. 3, 1989, radio talk show host Ken Hudnell announced his intention to take a group to visit an ancient underground city 60 miles from Anaheim. source: THE LEADING EDGE; KEN HUDNELL
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Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 11:03:46 PM
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Strange sightings in the area where Shambhala is thought to be seem to provide evidence of its existence. Tibetans believe that the land is guarded by beings with superhuman powers. In the early 1900s an article in an Indian newspaper, the Statesman, told of a British major who, camping in the Himalayas, saw a very tall, lightly clad man with long hair. Apparently, noticing that he was being watched, the man leaped down the vertical slope and disappeared. To the majors astonishment, the Tibetans with whom he was camping showed no surprise at his story; they calmly explained that he had seen one of the snowmen who guard the sacred land.

A more detailed account of these "snowmen" guardians was given by Alexandra David-Neel, an explorer who spent 14 years in Tibet. While traveling through the Himalayas she saw a man moving with extraordinary speed and described him as follows: "I could clearly see his perfectly calm impassive face and wide-open eyes with their gaze fixed on some invisible distant object situated somewhere high up in space. The man did not run. He seemed to life himself from the ground, proceeding by leaps. It looked as if he had been endowed with the elasticity of a ball, and rebounded each time his feet touched the ground. His steps had the regularity of a pendulum."
Title: Re: the ancient underground
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Many Polar explorers not only mention animals, but also flora vegetation in the extreme North. Also many animals, like the musk-ox, strangely migrate northward in winter, which it would do only if it reached a warmer land there. Repeatedly, Arctic explorers have observed bears heading northward into an area where there cannot be food for them if there was no polar opening into a warmer region. Foxes also were found north of the 80th parallel heading north, obviously well fed. Without exception, Arctic explorers agree that, strangely, the further north one goes, after a certain latitude, the warmer it gets. Invariably, a north wind brings warmer weather. Coniferous trees were found drifting ashore, coming from the far north. Butterflies and bees were found in the far north, and even mosquitoes, but they are not found hundreds of miles to the south and not until Canadian and Alaskan climate areas conducive to such insect life are reached.

Unknown varieties of flowers were also found in the extreme north. Birds resembling snipe, but unlike any known species of bird, were seen to come from the north, and to return there. Hare are plentiful in a far northern area where no vegetation grows but where vegetable matter is found in drifting debris from the more northern open waters. Eskimo tribes have left unmistakable traces of their migration by their temporary camps, always advancing northward Southern Eskimos speak of tribes that live in the far north. They hold the belief that their ancestors came from a land of paradise in the extreme north. Many explorers and scientists, found identical fauna and flora in New Zealand and lower South America. Some of these animals and plants could not have migrated from one of these places to the other. The only explanation-is that they came from a common motherland – the Antarctic continent?
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Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 11:08:10 PM
The Hidden Kingdom of Shambalah

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Of all the regions of Central Asia, the Tarim Basin southwest of Turpan - comes closest in size and shape to Tibetan descriptions of Shambhala. A huge oval-shaped area enclosed by the Kunlun, Pamir, and Tien Shan ranges, it could be viewed as an enormous lotus blossom surrounded by a ring of snow mountains. The small kingdoms that have existed side by side in the numerous oases sprinkled around the fringes of the basin may well have provided the model for the ninety-six principalities of the outer region of Shambhala. Until shortly before the Kalachakra reached India and Tibet, Buddhism had been flourishing in the Tarim Basin for nearly eight hundred years. During part of that time, caravans following the silk route to China had brought the outside influences of Manicheism and Nestorian Christianity to bear on the development of Buddhist art thought in the area.

Shambhala may have corresponded historically to the Tarim Basin as a whole or to one the major oases such as Yarkand, Kashgar, or Khotan. Some scholars have singled out Khotan the largest and most fertile oasis on the southern rim of the basin. Watered by melting snows of the Kunlun Mountains, it supported a thriving center of Buddhist learning, a people who loved music and culture, and a school of painting that impressed the Chinese and influenced Tibetan art. According to an old Khotanese tradition, an Indian prince of the third century B.C., who was blinded by rivals, fled his homeland to cross the intervening mountains and found a local dynasty in Khotan. Archeological finds show that Indians did, in fact, colonize the oasis around that time. According to a Tibetan legend about the founding of Shambhala, a member of Buddha's clan, called Shakya Shambha, was forced by enemies to flee north from India. After crossing many mountains, he came to a land that the conquered and that later became known after him as "Shambhala." Because of its similarity, the Tibetan legend may have come from the Khotanese tradition, suggesting a possible link between the hidden kingdom and Khotan.

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Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 11:09:22 PM
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John Goodwin's book, ''Occult America'', carried the following statements on page 167:

''Miliko S. Stevic, a Yugoslav born engineer currently (at the time of his writing...) lecturing on the United States Para-psychological circuit, advances an even more startling theory. He holds that there are entire subterranean towns situated beneath such large surface centers as Tokyo, Leningrad, Buenos Aires, Soa Paulo and New York. ''These underground cities are connected with each other by a system of tunnels.''
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Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 11:10:48 PM
Hole at the North Pole - This picture was taken by Apollo XI, in July, 1969

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Title: Re: the ancient underground
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On this picture the entrance of Bone Cave is behind the small human figure a little to the left of the centre. In the foreground is the Weld River. The vegetation around Bone Cave entrance gives a good idea of the density of the Tasmanian forest - and how difficult it is to find new caves.
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Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 11:12:46 PM
Startling letter from Captain Symmes to Dr. Michill -AD 1818

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Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 11:14:37 PM
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In northern Arkansas, a 12-man speleological team broke into an ancient tunnel system, encountering inhabitants of the inner-world. Just north of Batesville, explorers found a tunnel illuminated by a greenish phosphorescence where they met a race of beings who stood 7 to 8 feet tall and had bluish skin. The beings, who have advanced technology, told the explorers they are the direct descendents of Noah. The Cherokee Indians also tell of this same race of blue men. According to the Cherokee they inhabited the areas of Kentucky as well. When the Cherokee came into that area, they killed these blue skinned men off. Apparently the Cherokee were wrong in their assumptions. Southwestern California holds the legend of Crystal Cave, a large cavern that links to Kokoweek Peak. It was reportedly found by Earl Dorr, a miner and prospector who followed clues given to him by Indians. Dorr entered Crystal Cave in the thirties and followed a passage down into Kokoweef Mountain for about a mile. Here he entered a large cavern that he explored for a distance of eight miles. Flowing at the base of the cavern was a river and its banks were rich with deposits of gold. For reasons only known to Dorr, he dynamited the entrance. The exact location of this sealed entrance is unknown today.
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Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 11:16:10 PM
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Toronto Entrance - There is a small opening to the underground tunnels off Parliament Street in downtown Toronto. (The entrance is between two apartment buildings, and leads to the tunnels via the sewers.) The underground city (abandoned?) beneath Toronto has its center beneath Gerrard Street and Church Street. Above this area, strange magnetic effects have been observed. (Note: This corner of Gerrard & Church streets has a higher accident rate than anywhere else in Toronto. It is believed that underground equipment utilizing powerful magnetic fields (which have caused many strange magnetic effects in houses near this intersection) are responsible for the bizarre equipment failures that often are the cause of these accidents.) The Indians near Toronto have legends of these tunnels.
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The famous Russian channel, Nicholas Roerich, who was a channel for the Ascended Master, El Morya, claimed that Lhasa, the capital of Tibet, was connected by a tunnel with the inner earth, Shamballa. The entrance of this tunnel was guarded by lamas who were sworn to secrecy. This picture is a portrait of Prof Nicholas Roerich in the garden of his home in Kulu, India, stood beside a statue of Guga Chohan. Painted by his son Svetoslav Roerich.
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If we turn to Chinese folklore, we find a time lapse of hundreds of years. There is a book entitled " The Report Concerning the Cave Heavens and Lands of Happiness in Famous Mountains," by Tu Kuang-t'ing, who lived from 850 to 933 A.D. This book lists ten 'cave heavens ' and thirty-six ' small cave heavens' that were supposed to exist beneath the mountains in China. Here are the reported exper
iences of a man who entered a passageway leading to one of these cave heavens:

After walking ten miles, he suddenly found himself in a beautiful land ' with a clear blue sky, shining pinkish clouds, fragrant flowers, densely growing willows, towers the color of cinnabar, pavilions of red jade, and far flung palaces.' He was met by a group of lovely,seductive women, who brought him to a house of jasper, and played him beautiful music while he drank ' a ruby-red drink and a jade-colored juice.' Just as he felt the urge to let himself be seduced, he remembered his family and returned to the passageway. Led by a strange light that danced before him, he walked back through the cave to the outer world; but when he reached his home village, he did not recognize anyone he saw, and when he arrived at his house, he met his own descendents of nine generations hence. They told him that one of their ancestors had disappeared into a cavern three hundred years before and had never been seen again.'
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Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 11:23:41 PM
Borneo cave entrance amid the rain forest

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Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 11:24:59 PM
The Entrance to Smallin's Cave -National Geographic 1923

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Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 11:26:08 PM
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Page 52 of the November, 1954 issue of FATE Magazine carried the following story about a mysterious 'gate to the unknown'.

In March, 1954, a French Jesuit priest in Sorata, Bolivia, told a strange story of an exploring trip he had made in the cavern of San Pedro, on 20,000 foot Mount Illampu of the Andes chain (just east of lake Titicaca).

The cavern must be entered on all fours through a narrow passage which widens after a few yards and leads into an immense cavern filled with stalagmites and stalagtites. At one end of the cavern is a subterranean lake.

The French priest claimed to be the first person to cross to the far end of the lake. After several hours of rowing a small boat by artificial light, he related, the cave narrowed and gave way to a trail barred by an enormous gate of wrought iron. The grille, he said, bore all the characteristics of 17th Century Spanish ironwork.

The priest tried unsuccessfully to break through the barrier. He was eager to see what lay beyond, but he had to return to Sorata without solving the mystery.
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Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 11:27:26 PM
Captain Symmes Monument -Hollow Earth Theory

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Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 11:29:17 PM
The Ajanta Caves - Maharashtra - India

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Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 11:30:08 PM
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Nicholas Roerich (1874-1947), was a Russian born artist, poet, writer, mystic and distinguished member of the Theosophical Society, who led an expedition across the Gobi Desert to the Altai mountain range from 1923 to 1928, a journey which covered 15,500 miles across thirty-five of the world's highest mountain passes.

One of the reasons for Roerich's expedition, may have been a return of a stone, said to be part of a larger meteorite, possessing occult powers. This stone was called the Chintamani Stone, alleged to have come from the constellation of Orion. The stone "was capable of giving telepathic inner guidance and effecting a transformation of consciousness to those in contact with it."

According to Lamaist legend, a fragment of this Chintamani Stone is sent to Earth to help establish spiritual missions vital to humanity, and is returned, when missions are completed, to its rightful home in the King's Tower in the centre of Shambhala. Such a stone was said to be in the possession of the failed League of Nations, its return being entrusted to Roerich. Though it is not known whether he was able to return the fragment, but his expedition helped those who believed that Shambhala was more than a myth. Roerich believed in the transcendental unity of religions – in the notion that one day the Buddhist, the Muslim, and the Christian would realize their separate dogmas were husks obscuring the kernel of truth within. All his works embraced the belief that all faiths awaited a new age in which this chaff of dogma would be stripped away, humanity would toss aside its discords, and all would come together in a paradise of universal brotherhood. His symbol for the coming paradise was Shambhala.

Roerich kept a diary during his entire expedition and, while in Mongolia, noted that, "belief in the imminence of the era of Shambhala was very strong." The Roerich Peace Pact, which obligated nations to respect museums, cathedrals, universities and libraries as they did hospitals, was established in 1935 and became part of the United Nations organisational charter. The connection between Shambhala and the Peace Pact is clearly evident in the following speech given at the Third International Roerich Peace Banner Convention in 1933.
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MINNESOTA REDWOOD FALLS  A WWII trainee claimed to have discovered a small underground passage near [west of?] Redwood Falls, which led to an ancient tiled concourse and to an under ground alien realm. He spoke of the "deros" and "teros" and stated that he emerged 6 months later with a "tero" woman who became his wife, with no intention on returning, although both lived in fear as if they were constantly being watched or followed.

Source:letter sent to Richard Shaver[circa 1950's]
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Post by: zorgon on October 07, 2013, 11:32:52 PM
Exploring the Underground World

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Title: Re: the ancient underground
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The book ''Mysteries of the Andes'', by Robert Charroux, contains an unusual story about two Venezuelan volcanoes which have been subjected to secret scientific investigations. Page's 106-108 has the following:

'The Agartha, that mysterious underground kingdom that, according to the writer Ossendowski, lies under the Himalaya's, is now also in South America if we are to believe certain traditions. It was perhaps this South American Agartha that Harry Gibson, a Venezuelan pilot, saw during a routine flight in 1964, at the bottom of two craters in the jungle somewhere between the Sierra Maigualida and the Orinoco River.

'It is a strange story, and one would be tempted to place it in the same category as reports of imaginary kingdoms -- El Dorado, Paititi, Moricz's tunnel - if it had not been taken very seriously by two respected archeologists, David Nott Rofi Liverpool and Charles Brewer Carias, assisted by Venezuelen Air Force and ten scientists from different nations.

'The craters are near the sources of the rivers Caura and Ventuari, and two mountains known as Pava and Masiati, at the edge of the Sierra Pacaraima. The volcanoes have been extinct for thousands... of years, so scientists hope to find plant and animal life in them that has long since disappeared from the rest of the world.

'In January 1974 a first three-member team went down into one of the craters, about a thousand feet deep and twelve hundred feet wide. They brought back living plants and animals of species that were either unknown or had been extinct since the Mesozoic.

'The two craters are connected by an underground passage nearly a mile long. According to unverified rumours, it is stillin use, because traces of recent activity were found in it.

'So much for the openly announced part of the discovery. The most important results are being kept secret by the Venezuelan scientific authorities, for mysterious reasons. This secrecy has given rise to private inquiries among the people living in surrounding mountains, whose local names are Jaua-Jidi and Sari Inama-Jidi. Fantastic legends concerning the mystery of the two craters have been gathered...

'The rgeion of Jaua-Jidi is a dense, very sparsely inhabited forest. It has been difficult for Venezuelan investigator to make contact with the primitive people who live there. They shun outsiders, speak an unknown language and do not understand Spanish. Half-breeds from the town of Esmeralda, on the Orinoco, have been able to approah them, however.

'Strange people wearing strange clothes have been seen several times in the forest of Jaua-Jidi, one of the reported. They seem unwilling to approach the Indians and they venture only a short distance way from the craters. Their skin is the color of yellowed ivory; they have big eyes, like a jaguar's, and long hair of different colors. They seam fearful and run away whenever they hear an unusual sound. They are thought to live at the bottoms of the craters and in vast underground rooms, with secret entrances in the forest.'

'Other reports would seem to indicate that the people of the kingdom of Two Craters' are in almost constant contact with space beings, but it should be pointed out that sightings of flying saucers are more common in Central and South America that any where else in the world.

'The Indians of the forest say that at night the trees on the rim of each volcano are illuminated by a soft green light that apparently comes from the bottom. Occasionally something, that looks like a 'little round airplane' comes out of the darkness, enters the green halo and disappears into the volcano.

'Two or three nights before David Nott, Brewer Carias, G. Dunsterville and their companions came to the site, intensified activity by the flying 'things' was observed. They were as numerous as a swarm of bees but, perhaps because of their distance from the observers, they flew without making any discernible sound.

'The Indians felt that the strange people were receiving heavy reinforcements, or else that they were moving out before the archaeologists came. In any case they left little trace of their presence in the underground passages, but enough to give convincing evidence that their existence is not a myth. The Indians believe that the 'Kingdom of the Two Craters' extends under the mountains and that, for the time being, its entrances are tightly closed.

'In Lima, Zizi Ghenea told me that a little forest of trees extinct everywhere else grew inside the caves and the craters, and that in it lived animals from the Tertiary.

'What is strange about the whole affair, in which legend is mingled with fact, is the Venezuelan governments' inexplicable silence and secrecy in which the expedition's report has been kept.
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Pages 48-49 of Raymond Bernards book, 'Flying Saucers from the Earths Interior' records the following account:

'Recently the Brazilian press and radio announced that a party of geologists and other scientists entered one of the many tunnels that open on the tops of mountains here (evidently constructed by an antideluvian race of Atlanteans before the deluge), and after descending some distance, came to a subterranean city. Then a sudden fright seized the party, and they fled before they entered the city. They refused to return or to reveal what made them get frightened. Perhaps the city was inhabited and perhaps its inhabitants did not want to be molested and projected certain types of radiation on them...''
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Symbol of Telos

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Title: Re: the ancient underground
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In Legends & Lore of the American Indians by Terri Hardin we find; "Several tribes claim to have emerged from the interior of the earth. The Oneidas point to a hill near the falls of Oswego River, N.Y. as their birthplace; the Witchitas rose from the rocks around Red River; the Creeks from a knoll in the valley of Big Black River in the Natchez area, where dwelt the Master of Breath; the Aztecs were one of seven tribes that came out from the seven caverns of Aztlan - and the Navajos believe that they emerged at a place known to them in the Navajo Mountains."
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H. Blavatsky, famed 19th Century theosophist, writer and traveler, told of having knowledge of the location that led to a network of secret tunnels under the Andes Mountains.

Of the tunnels Blavatsky wrote: "There is no other access to the Arica chamber but through the door in the mountain near Pay'quina. Along the entire length of the corridor, from Bolivia to Lima and Cusco, are smaller hiding places filled with treasures of gold and precious stone, the accumulations of many generations of Incas, the aggregate value of which is incalculable.

"We have in our possession an accurate plan of the tunnel, the sepulcher, and the doors, given to us at the time by the old Peruvian. If we had ever thought of profiting by the secret, it would have required the cooperation of the Peruvian and Bolivian governments. . . The mere task of purifying the mephitic air of the tunnel, which had not been entered for centuries, would also be a serious one."

Blavatsky wrote that the tunnels began at Cuzco and continued underground for about 380 miles to Lima, then turned southward into what is now Bolivia. Thus, if she was correct, the tunnel continued for about a thousand miles.
Title: Re: the ancient underground
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Mr. Childress writes of his talk with Richard Dannelly, a local resident of Sedona, Arizona and author of the book Sedona, Power Spot Vortex. Dannelly told him, "Some friends of mine had discovered a tunnel that goes underground for quite a distance in the Superstition Mountains.

Yet every time they tried to explore the cave, a strange fear and feeling of dread would overtake the whole party, and they would always turn back." They were sent to a psychic who told them of a man who would lead them into the tunnel without fear. "With this man as their guide they were able to penetrate further into the tunnel..." Deep inside ... "the remains of ancient structures and walls made out of well dressed rock were found. They then discovered at this place a spiral staircase built out of cut stones that down, down, down, down into the earth.

"After some discussion, it was decided that their guide should descent the stairs ...

He did so, following the staircase into the deep bowels of the earth. After some tome, he came to a large room with more cut stone. A gigantic rock-cut throne, big enough for a giant, or two people sitting together, was in the middle of the room.

"Artifacts were on the walls, though (he didn't) know what they were. The man returned up the staircase and reported what he discovered. The others tried to convince him to return to the room and bring some of the artifacts back up, but he refused. The team then left the tunnel, and today the entrance is still a secret."
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Engineer Rex Ball came upon a network of tunnels in Georgia in 1940, which led to an underground installation manned by Oriental looking men in coveralls and a few American military officers. When caught in the tunnels, an officer issued the curt command: "Make him look like a nut!" The next thing he recalled was waking up in a field uncertain whether the experience was real or a dream. Source: The Mothman Prophecies, by John A. Keel.

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The Victorio Peak Treasure is one of the most famous treasures in the United States, second only perhaps to the Lost Dutchman Mine. In November 1937, a deer hunter and former medicine showman known as Doc Noss went searching for fresh water near the peak and discovered the hidden entrance to a tunnel. An old ladder lead into a maze of tunnels around a large cavern containing an old chest inscribed with the words "Sealed Silver" in Old English.

Doc's wife, Ova "Babe" Beckwith, meanwhile tried to obtain legal ownership of Victorio Peak and acquired a lease with the state of New Mexico to excavate in the land. This paperwork provided the Noss family's legal claim to the property. Doc took out around 200 gold bars and hid them from his family in various locations. It was illegal at the time to own gold not in the form of jewelry.

In the fall of 1939, Doc hired a mining engineer to widen the opening to the treasure, but he grossly underestimate the power of the blast and the fragile nature of the shaft and unwittingly closed it off to himself. With only a few gold bars to draw from, Noss tried to raise the funds to reopen his claim, trying to sell the bars on the black market. In 1948, he entered into a partnership with Charlie Ryan but soon feared Ryan would double cross him. Doc and a friend named Tony Jolly hid the gold in a new hiding place. Ryan retaliated by shooting Doc Noss, murdering him on March 5, 1949. Noss was known to have taken at least 88 bars of gold out of the hidden tunnels inside the mountain

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PINEVILLE - On Dec. 26, 1945, a mine explosion in the Belva Mine trapped several men. When they were rescued some of the men insisted that they saw a "door" in one of the walls open, and a man dressed as a "lumberjack" emerge from a well-lighted room. After assuring the men that they would be rescued, the strange visitor returned to the room and closed the door. Other similar accounts have been reported during similar mine disasters, such as the one at a Shipton, Pennsylvania mine, where similar "lumberjack" or "telephone linemen" type of men have been seen, suggesting that they exist in another time-dimension, possibly explaining why they "knew" the outcome of the disasters. In some cases the strange "workmen", as if taking the role of guardian angels, had offered trapped men unusual "lighting" to keep them out of the dark, and in other cases as with the Shipton disaster, "astral visions" accompanied the visits of these fourth dimensional [?] visitors.
Title: Re: the ancient underground
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Labradorite is a unique beautiful stone with a mysterious air of legend and lore. It was 'first discovered' in 1770, on the Canadian peninsula of Labrador. According to an Canadian Inuit legend the Northern Lights were once trapped in the rocks along the coast of Labrador where an Eskimo warrior saw them and smashed the rocks with his spear to release the lights. He managed to free a lot of the lights but some were still caught in the rocks which now form the gemstone Labradorite.
Title: Re: the ancient underground
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If we turn to Chinese folklore, we find a time lapse of hundreds of years. There is a book entitled "The Report Concerning the Cave Heavens and Lands of Happiness in Famous Mountains," by Tu Kuang-t'ing, who lived from 850 to 933 A.D. This book lists ten 'cave heavens' and thirty-six 'small cave heavens' that were supposed to exist beneath the mountains in China. Here are the reported experiences of a man who entered a passageway leading to one of these cave heavens:

After walking ten miles, he suddenly found himself in a beautiful land with a clear blue sky, shining pinkish clouds, fragrant flowers, densely growing willows, towers the color of cinnabar, pavilions of red jade, and far flung palaces. He was met by a group of lovely,seductive women, who brought him to a house of jasper, and played him beautiful music while he drank a ruby-red drink and a jade-colored juice. Just as he felt the urge to let himself be seduced, he remembered his family and returned to the passageway. Led by a strange light that danced before him, he walked back through the cave to the outer world; but when he reached his home village, he did not recognize anyone he saw, and when he arrived at his house, he met his own descendents of nine generations hence. They told him that one of their ancestors had disappeared into a cavern three hundred years before and had never been seen again.
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Underground Naples - Here is an example of stairs descending into shelters below. Michael Quaranta, a senior speleologist, conducts daily tours of a huge air raid shelter beneath the old Spanish Quarter.


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Ultra-clear water makes this formation in New Mexico's Lechuguilla Cave look more precipice than pool. Called Lake Chandalar, spelunkers are advised to fill their canteens here without touching the water to avoid introducing bacteria that could cloud the crystalline pond.

Napoli Underground

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Title: Re: the ancient underground
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The Highland Andes have been known through myth and legend as one of the access points for vast underground subterranean cities, the domain of Inner-Earth beings who from time to time, emerge from their lower worlds into the upper atmosphere of our third-dimensional density. These ancient legends speak of vast networks of tunnels criss-crossing the entire length and breadth of the planet. Traditions of vaults, labyrinths and buried treasures of remote antiquity are found in Crete, Egypt, Tibet, Mexico, Ecuador, Bolivia and Peru. Inca prophecy tells of the upper, middle, and lower worlds, other realities existing in both physical and astral/etheric form.

Lemurian Age

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Lemurian Age took place approximately between the years 4,500,000 BC to about 12,000 years ago. Until the sinking of the continents of Lemuria and later of Atlantis, there were seven major continents on this planet. The lands belonging to the gigantic continent of Lemuria included lands now under the Pacific Ocean as well as Hawaii, the Easter Islands, the Fiji Islands, Australia and New Zealand. Also lands in the Indian Ocean and Madagascar. The Eastern coast of Lemuria also extended to California and part of British Columbia in Canada. For a very long time before the fall in consciousness, the Lemurians lived in a fifth dimensional frequency or dimension, and were able to switch back and forth from fifth to third at will, without any problem. It could be done whenever it was desired, by intension and the energies of the heart.

The Lemurian race was a mixture of beings that came mainly from Sirius, Alpha Centauri and a smaller number of them from other planets as well. Eventually, as these races mixed together on Earth, they formed the Lemurian civilization. To say the least, it was quite an awesome mixture. Lemuria was really the cradle of civilization on this planet, the "Motherland" who assisted in the eventual birth of many other civilizations. Atlantis came about at a later time.

The continent of Lemuria thrived in a state of paradise and magic for a few millions years. Eventually, as a result of wars between the two major continents, great devastations took place on Lemuria and on Atlantis. Twenty five thousand years ago, Atlantis and Lemuria, the two highest civilizations of the time were battling each other over "ideologies". They had two very different ideas about how the direction of other civilizations on this planet should go. The Lemurians believed that the other less evolved cultures should be left alone to continue their own evolution at their own pace according to their own understandings and pathway.

The Atlanteans believed that all the less evolved cultures should be brought under sway and controlled by the two more evolved civilizations. This caused a series of thermonuclear wars between Atlantis and Lemuria. Later on, when the wars were over and the dust had settled, there were no winners.

During these devastating wars, people who were highly civilized stooped to quite low levels, until they eventually realized the futility of such behaviors. Ultimately, Atlantis and Lemuria became the victims of their own aggression, and the homelands of both continents became greatly weakened by those wars. The people, through the priesthood, were then informed that within less than 15,000 years their continents would sink completely. In those days, because people lived an average of 20,000 to 30,000 years commonly, they understood that many who have caused the havoc would live to experience the destruction.

In the time of Lemuria, California was part of the Lemurian land. When the Lemurians realized that their land was destined to perish, they petitioned the Shamballa-the-Lesser, the head of the Agartha Network, for permission to build a city beneath Mount Shasta in order to preserve their culture and their records.

In order for them to be granted the permission to build a city and becoming part of the subterranean Agartha Network, they had to prove that they had learned their lessons of war and aggression. They also had to prove this to many other agencies such as the Galactic Confederation of Planets. They also had to prove that they had learned their lessons of peace in order to be accepted again as members of the Confederation. When permission was granted to build their city, it was understood that this area would survive the cataclysms. There was already a very large dome cavern existing within Mount Shasta. The Lemurians constructed their city, which they called Telos, who was also the name of this whole area at the time, including California and a major part of the U.S. we now call the South West. Telos also included the lands North of Mount Shasta along the west coast, up to part of British Columbia. Telos means Communication with Spirit, oneness with Spirit, understanding with Spirit.

When Telos was constructed, it was meant to contain a maximum of 200,000 people. When the cataclysms started, only 25,000 people made it on time into the mountain and were saved. This number is approximately what was left of the Lemurian culture in the third dimension. Already the records had been moved from Lemuria to the underground city of Telos and the temples had been built. When the blast that destroyed the continent manifested, it came a bit earlier than anticipated, and this is why so many people did not make it "on time" inside the mountain. It is known that Lemuria, the beloved Motherland, went down overnight. The continent sank so quietly that nearly everybody was totally unaware of what was happening. Practically all were sleeping during the occurrence. There was no unusual weather condition that night. According to a transmission given by Lord Himalaya in 1959 through Geraldine Innocenti, El Morya's twin flame, he explained that a great part of those of the priesthood who had remained faithful to the Light and their sacred calling, like captains on a sinking ship, kept their posts, and fearless to the end, they sang and prayed as they went down beneath the waves.

"Before the Lemurian continent sank, the priest and priestesses of the Temples were warned of the coming cataclysmic changes, and various Focuses of the Sacred Fire were transported to Telos, and others were transported to other lands which would not be affected. Many of these Flames were taken to the continent of Atlantis to a specific location and were sustained there for quite a period of time by daily spiritual applications. Just before Lemuria sank, certain of these priests and priestesses returned to their homes on that continent and volunteered to go down with the land and Her people, giving the assistance of their radiation and extending comfort and fearlessness. They offered this help to counteract the fear, which always comes with cataclysmic action. These loving benefactors, by the radiation of their God controlled energies and their sacrifice, literally surrounded the auras of the people in a blanket of peace and assisted in creating a freedom from fear so that the etheric bodies of those lifestreams would not be so severely scarred, thus saving those people in future embodiments, from having to experience greater tragic consequences".

From Lord Himalaya to the "Bridge to Freedom" dispensation in 1959 said: "Many members of the priesthood placed themselves in small groups strategically in various areas and they prayed and sang as they went down beneath the water. The melody they sang was the same as is known today as "Auld Lang Syne". The idea behind this action was that every horrifying experience leaves a very deep scar and trauma in the etheric body and cellular memory of the people, and it takes several embodiments to heal. Through the action and the sacrifice of those of the priesthood, choosing to stay together in groups and singing to the very end, much fear was mitigated, and a certain level of harmony was maintained. This way, the damage and trauma to the souls who perished was greatly diminished. It was said that those of the priesthood, along with the musicians, sang and prayed until the waves and the water had risen to level of their mouths. It is then that they also perished. During the night, while the masses slept, under a starry blue sky, it was all over; the beloved Motherland was submerged beneath the waves of the Pacific Ocean. None of the priesthood had left their post, and none had evidenced any fear. Lemuria went down with dignity!

Auld Lang Syne" was the last song ever heard on the land of Lemuria.

The song they sang, some people on Earth have brought this song forth again through the Irish people, and very prophetic words have been put into it such as. "Should auld acquaintances be forgot". Indeed, we are these old acquaintances reuniting again, those of us from the physical realm with those of our beloved ones, former friends and family members of Telos, "yet invisible" to our present sight, and hopefully, not for too much longer.

Hear this well in your heart my friends, these next couple sentences. Before our Beloved Lemuria sank completely, it was prophesized that one day, in some far distant future, many of us will gather again as a group and sing this song again, with the absolute knowingness that the "Earth's Victory" is won. The time we are now living in brings the celebration of this long awaited day, and the fulfilling of that incredible prophecy. We are now initiating the beginning of the long awaited "Reunion".

It is almost with tears in my eyes that I am letting you know from Adama that many of you reading those words were among those brave souls who sacrificed your life for the great benefit of the collective. Lets applaud your bravery then, and now lets rejoice for our return together, once again, to continue our great Lemurian mission of assisting the planet and humanity into her glorious ascension.

In Telos, one aspect of their mission has been to keep the balance and energies of ascension consciousness for the planet until such a time that surface dwellers can do this for themselves. Now the time has come for our two civilizations to do this together as "One Heart". Earth after the Sinking of the two Continents

At the same time Lemuria was going down, Atlantis started shaking and loosing parts of its land, and it continued for 200 years, until the final stage, where the rest of the continent completely sank. For 2,000 years after the Lemurian and the Atlantean catastrophes, the planet was still shaking. For the Earth to loose two large land masses within 200 years, plus the planet was still witnessing the effects of the thermo-nuclear weapons, the Earth had suffered such a major setback and trauma, that it took several thousands years to balance out again and be hospitable. For hundreds of years after the destruction of both continents, so much debris had been thrown into the atmosphere that the Earth never became bright in daylight. The atmosphere became very cold because the sunlight was not able to penetrate properly through the thick toxic atmospheric debris and very little food could grow. A large percentage of the animals and plants perished. Why is there so little evidence today of the remains of these two great civilizations?

The reason is that the cities on the planet that did not sink were shook to rubbles, or were wiped out by earthquakes or by huge tidal waves that would often go as far as 1,000 miles inland and destroy most cities and habitations in their pathway. The human conditions in the civilizations that survived those cataclysms became so harsh and difficult by this constant earth activity and people became so frightened that the quality of life of those civilizations deteriorated very fast. For those who survived all those calamities, hunger, poverty and disease were their legacy.

The original height of mankind on this planet was approximately 12 feet tall. The Hyperboreans were and still are 12 feet tall and none of them live on the surface at this time. By the time Lemuria sank, the Lemurians were reduced to 7 feet tall and still are 7 to 8 feet tall to this day. And there has been still a further lowering of height on this planet, for most of us on the surface are 6 feet tall or less. As our civilization evolves, this will be restored. Even now, people on the surface of this planet are becoming much taller than they were only 100 years ago. Government of Telos

In Telos, there are two forms of government. The king and queen of Telos, Ra and Rana Mu, ascended masters who are also twin flames, form one aspect of the government of Telos. They are the ultimate rulers of Telos.

The second form of government is the local Council, called the Lemurian Council of Light of Telos, consisting of 12 ascended masters, where 6 men and 6 women serve on the council to balance the divine masculine with the divine feminine. A thirteenth member, the head High Priest of Telos, at this time Adama, officiates as the leader of the council to make the final decision when there is an even vote in the decisions made by the council.

Members of the council are selected according to the level of spiritual attainment they have reached, inner qualities, maturity and area of expertise. When a member of the council decides to move on to another level of service, the vacancy is made known to our people and those who desire to take a seat on the council may apply. All applications are carefully studied by the council, by the members of the priesthood and the king and queen of Telos. The king and the queen have the final word about who is chosen among the applicants to be on the council. The City of Telos

Telos is a fairly large city, there are approximately one and one half millions of us living here. Also we are not divided in several villages and we all share the local government, many of us live in various areas. What we call the city of Telos is divided in 5 levels of several square miles beneath Mt. Shasta.

The first level: The large percentage of our people live beneath the dome on the first level. This is also where the administrative and public buildings and several temples are situated. In the center of this level stands our main temple, called the temple of MaRa, a pyramid shape sort of structure. It will seat 10,000 people at a time. This temple is dedicated to the priesthood of Melchizedek. The pyramid is white, with the capstone, called the "living stone" donated to us from Venus.

The second level: This is where all the production and manufacturing for the need of the people and the city takes place. It is also an area for several schools for the children and adult classes. Many more of our people live on that level as well.

The third level is consecrated totally for our hydroponic gardens where all of our food supply is grown on about 7 acres of land, producing a diet that is very interesting and fun, offering much variety. Our methods of gardening are so effective that seven acres of land is all that is needed to grow abundantly a very large variety of food to feed one and one half million people, creating strong, healthy bodies that do not age.

The hydroponic gardens are able to produce crops on a constant basis. We can grow food much faster, using advance hydroponic technology with very little soil and much water without the use of chemicals like you do on the surface. Our food is totally organic with the highest vibration. Our form of gardening does not need fertilizers and does not deplete the soil. We do place organic minerals into the water for the plants. Our crops are also enhanced and quickened by the great light, energy and love vibration of Telos. This is the magic of our 5th dimensional consciousness that you will soon discover, most likely in this decade or early on in the next.

The fourth level contains some hydroponic gardening, some manufacturing and a large area for nature, park like setting with small lakes and fountains.

The fifth level is totally consecrated to nature. There are tall trees, lakes, park types atmosphere and this is the place where we keep all our animals. In this nature level, many plants and animals have been preserved that you no longer see on the surface. Our animals are all vegetarians and do not eat each other. They live side by side in total harmony, without fear and without any aggression towards people and towards each other. Telos is really the place where the lion and the lamb lay side-by-side and sleep together in total confidence.

The New Lemuria

To all of you reading these words, let us say to you that Lemuria has never been totally destroyed as it has been perceived in your present timing. It still exists to this day in a fourth and fifth dimensional frequency, not yet visible to your third dimensional vision and perception. As the veil between those dimensions continues to become increasingly thinner, we want to assure you that in a not too distant future, your beloved Lemuria, in Her new Splendor and Glory, will reveal Herself to you in a very physical and tangible way.

As you open yourself up to a higher conscious way of living and purify yourself of all distorted and erroneous belief systems you have embraced in the last millennia, you will be able to perceive your beloved Motherland, once again, and eventually be allowed to step in to be received by Her with all the Love and Splendor She has now to offer. You will be invited to, once again, join us very tangibly in this place of paradise. At the time of the blast, Lemuria and what it represented to this planet was lifted into a 4th dimensional frequency. It continued to thrive and evolve to the level of perfection and beauty it has now reached with those who were able to come along at the time.

If this information brings tears to your eyes and opens your heart to heal those pains that have been buried within you for so very long, let it flow, let it flow. Allow the flow of your tears to bring healing to every part of your being. Allow yourself to really feel it, and embrace it in the heart through the breath. Allow all remembrances and pains to be felt fully without suppressing any. This is how you will bring forth your healing, increment by increment. As you inhale it through the breath, your GodSelf will dissolve and heal those imprints forever. Ask your Higher Self to assist you in uncovering those records that are holding you back from unfolding your new glorious reality.

In your daily meditation, we ask you to do this work faithfully until you feel a completion. Connect with us and with our Love heart to heart. You may ask for our assistance, and we will be there with you as you do this most important inner work. All of us in Telos are very eager to assist all those who will reach out to us in your heart. We are a civilization who has achieved great heart openings, and our vibration pulses with the Heart of the Divine Mother. Gradually, the deep-seated pains will be lifted and you will be much lighter. The clearing of this pain will also assist you in perceiving much more of who you really are. It will allow you to make giant leaps into your full spiritual, emotional and physical resurrection.

The New Day, the New World is just about to be born. Many of us have learned our lessons of Love and the New Lemuria, the lost paradise, is just about to unfold again. Lemuria, the part that remained faithful to the Light and Her sacred calling was lifted up to the 4th dimension at the time of the cataclysm. It was never really totally destroyed, only the 3rd dimensional aspect of it was. Lemuria continued to thrive and evolve to a fifth dimensional awareness to this day, and exists fully in the higher dimension. And Telos, our beloved Telos and all the wondrous people who live there, are our "Doorway" to this wondrous place. To purchase the Telos Books series:

Telos - volume 1 - Revelations of the New Lemuria
Telos - volume 2 - Messages for the Enlightenment of a Humanity in Transformation
Telos - volume 3 - Protocols of the Fifth Dimenslion

by Aurelia Louise Jones - Channel for Adama of Telos.

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Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 08, 2013, 06:16:33 AM
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Report of an unexplored tunnel system near Zozer's Step Pyramid at Memphis-Saqqarah, within the tomb of the Bull, called "Serapium", which was reportedly sealed by the Egyptian government in order to keep explorers from being lost in its confusing labyrinth.

Source: Tomb of Serapium; Archived Report
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 08, 2013, 06:21:34 AM
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One interesting Legend which may give a clue as to how the Inca race 'originated' into Peru, is recorded on page 42 of Harold Osborne's book ''SOUTH AMERICAN MYTHOLOGY''. The legend/tradition is as follows:

The first version tells of a cliff with three small cave mouths, or a building with three exits, about twenty miles from the present city of Cuzco. It was called Paccari-Tambo (Inn of origin) or Tambotocco (place of the hole).

In Prehistoric times four brothers and four sisters, who were to be the founders of the Inca dynasty, emerged from the middle exit. Their names and numbers are differently given. According to some versions the ancestors of other non-royal Inca clans emerged from the other two exits.

Later on in this book, there is a particular legend which states that after the ancestors of the Incas emerged from the caves, they passed trough two areas known as ''Apitay'' and ''Huana Cauri'' while on their way to the present city of Cuzco, which many believe to be the 'birthplace' of the Inca civilization.
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: deuem on October 08, 2013, 11:45:18 AM
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If we turn to Chinese folklore, we find a time lapse of hundreds of years. There is a book entitled "The Report Concerning the Cave Heavens and Lands of Happiness in Famous Mountains," by Tu Kuang-t'ing, who lived from 850 to 933 A.D. This book lists ten 'cave heavens' and thirty-six 'small cave heavens' that were supposed to exist beneath the mountains in China. Here are the reported experiences of a man who entered a passageway leading to one of these cave heavens:

After walking ten miles, he suddenly found himself in a beautiful land with a clear blue sky, shining pinkish clouds, fragrant flowers, densely growing willows, towers the color of cinnabar, pavilions of red jade, and far flung palaces. He was met by a group of lovely,seductive women, who brought him to a house of jasper, and played him beautiful music while he drank a ruby-red drink and a jade-colored juice. Just as he felt the urge to let himself be seduced, he remembered his family and returned to the passageway. Led by a strange light that danced before him, he walked back through the cave to the outer world; but when he reached his home village, he did not recognize anyone he saw, and when he arrived at his house, he met his own descendents of nine generations hence. They told him that one of their ancestors had disappeared into a cavern three hundred years before and had never been seen again.

Ok Deuem needs a map, next vacation I will be gone for 300 years or so, please wait.

Z, where is this place, all myth or some hidden reality. There are many cave around here on the mountain are full of water so It could happen very easy. zThe caves, Don't know about thecave heavens. I need a good hike.

Deuem
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: Sinny on October 08, 2013, 01:17:56 PM
Awesome complilation Z.

Wow - This planet really is beautiful.

I would love to explore some of these places even if one trip took 6 months...
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: Pimander on October 08, 2013, 10:39:59 PM
Quote from: Sinny on October 08, 2013, 01:17:56 PM
I would love to explore some of these places even if one trip took 6 months...
My list is too long already.  I need about £300,000 and 2 years to get through everywhere I want to visit.   ;D
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: Sinny on October 09, 2013, 09:03:20 AM
Quote from: Pimander on October 08, 2013, 10:39:59 PM
My list is too long already.  I need about £300,000 and 2 years to get through everywhere I want to visit.   ;D

Right. Pact. If one of us wins the lottery or robs a bank....  ;D

ETA: I think you can grab an aroound the world ticket for about £1500 - £2000.... I take it we'll need visa's for all country's??

How do poor people manage to travel soooo much with just a backpack? lol.
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 09, 2013, 10:34:38 AM
Quote from: Sinny on October 09, 2013, 09:03:20 AM
How do poor people manage to travel soooo much with just a backpack? lol.

That used to be easy...hostels were everywhere.. but today I wouldn't want to try that in most countries
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: Pimander on October 09, 2013, 12:52:30 PM
Quote from: Sinny on October 09, 2013, 09:03:20 AM
Right. Pact. If one of us wins the lottery or robs a bank....  ;D
You're on. :)

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ETA: I think you can grab an aroound the world ticket for about £1500 - £2000.... I take it we'll need visa's for all country's??
You may get to go around the world but you won't get to visit everywhere.  You need more than that but probably a lot less than £300,000.  I bet you could see a lot with £12,000.

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How do poor people manage to travel soooo much with just a backpack? lol.
They're westerners so their money is like gold some places.
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: Elvis Hendrix on October 09, 2013, 12:53:22 PM
Great work z.

Heres some links some folk may not have come across :)

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/earthinterior/contents.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wbn_1oHWTc

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/phantompoles/contents.htm

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tierra_hueca/esp_tierra_hueca_2c.htm

Elvis
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: WarToad on October 09, 2013, 04:19:47 PM
Quote from: Sinny on October 09, 2013, 09:03:20 AM

How do poor people manage to travel soooo much with just a backpack? lol.

1991 I finished a 3 year contract in Japan and backpacked SE Asia for 6 months. (literally a backpack, 3 changes clothes, toiletry kit, sleeping bag, a few books and little else.)   Korea, Taiwan, Indoneia, Philippines, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, India before running low on funds and buying a India-> Germany-> Mexico ticket (cheapest ticket home, LOL) and took a bus from Mexico City to Chicago. (36 hours, uggg... )  6 months, US$6,000.  Allbeit, that was 20+ years ago and prices are up, but if you take the non-tourist route, eat in local joints and not upscale dining, keep your purchases minimal and meaningful, I have no doubt you could do 6 months today at about US$15,000.  Saving that amount is a doable goal.

I had a blast, I saw the non-tourist side of countries, and it changed the way I looked at the world and especially my own culture. 
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: zorgon on October 09, 2013, 07:34:06 PM
Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on October 09, 2013, 12:53:22 PM
Great work z.

Heres some links some folk may not have come across :)


Thanks  More to come... this is just a collection thread so I can follow up later for the website revamp :D
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: deuem on October 10, 2013, 07:24:09 AM
squeeze me did you write revamp?  whats up?
Title: Re: the ancient underground
Post by: Elvis Hendrix on October 10, 2013, 09:20:18 AM
ReeeeVamp? ;)