A petition at Change.org went up yesterday asking the US Government to release the science and technology of electrogravitics to the public.
I was the starter of this petition, and it reflects the sum of My work.
The link is below:
US Military: Release the technology of electrogravitics (http://www.change.org/petitions/us-military-release-the-technology-of-electrogravitics)
Why This Is Important
My early childhood was defined by My father's excitement for His work in electrogravitics, then (1950's) being worked on openly by all major aerospace companies. My father, a CalTech graduate and one of the top electrical engineers at one of these companies, would tell Me about the successes of His experiements (gravity control and overunity (free energy)), and tell Me what the world I would grow up in would look like.
Cars would fly, cities would float, and We would have all the energy We could use.
Then, one night He came home from work late and woke Me up to tell Me We couldn't talk about the flying cars, the floating cities, the free energy anymore. "They want it secret for now."
Since My childhood, I have studied economics, coming to the conclusion (later confirmed by Jeremy Rifkin in His book, Entropy) that all money represented was meaningful energy expended. One can grasp this most easily by considering the first hunter, fisherperson, gatherer, farmer, miner. The stuff They gained/used was free: critters, fish, fruits, vegetables, nuts, seed, sun, soil, rain, ores. It was the meaningful energy expended that gave "value" to the stuff: the killing, fishing, picking, tilling, weeding, harvesting, mining, transporting.
Add abundantly what money represents - energy - and the need for money (and the control of others it affords) in all its forms (barter, trade, work exchange, coin, bills, electronic funds...) will dissipate and what is left is free.
Add robots to do all the necessary jobs no One wants to do to free energy, and Humans will be freed to follow Their bliss - within the three Laws:
Do not willfully hurt or kill another Being
Do not willfully take or damage another Being's property
Do not willfully defraud another Being
(A Being (cap the "B") is sentient, sapient; animals are beings)
Waste would be virtually eliminated: supermarkets presently throw out hundreds of tons of thousands of food a month! Distributing by need and not profit will end this waste. Products would be made to last instead of being designed to break so as to ensure future sales. Theft-protecting packaging would be unnecessary. And so on.
Organic farming would be prized and GMO (genetically modified organisms) would be eliminated.
Motive for war will be virtually eliminated. With no profit motive for war suppliers and "infrastructure rebuilders," wars will not be instigated to ensure profits.
Poverty will not exist.
Hunger will be eliminated.
Education (at all levels) will be free for all.
Replace the work "ethic" (a slave's ethic: enrich the rich with Your Human energy) with a Betterment Ethic and the Humans who better things will be paid in appreciation, status, name-recognition and Self-satisfaction, the new "coin."
Create a central website where problems can be brought up locally and People can "vote" to bump a problem up, down, show apathy by not voting, and chime in with solutions (which can be cheered and booed). Issues will drop off after the original poster indicates that the problem has been resolved or withdrawn, or there has been no activity after, say, six months (that is not set in stone). Social responsibility will be defined as spending 15 minutes a day examining issues on this site.
Also, issues with some set number of bumps up will be considered issues that need a wider awareness and go to regional sections. From there, continental, perhaps, and then global, as more are needed to be involved in solving the problem. Problems will beget the awareness to solve them.
Without money as a motive, problems will be solved more creatively, directly, harmoniously, and within the three Laws.
Leaders of the moment will emerge from this to solve problems as they arise.
Open-source all public works programming. This allows for many to make suggestions for betterment, and ensures that no one will create outside the three Laws. It also eliminates "back doors," and other surreptitious software segments that bog down the clean functioning of the program. Without money as a motive, programmers will be proud to offer Their work for scrutinization and use, openly and freely. Status will be gained for creating the best programs.
Though this will not create a utopia, it will be vastly better than what We now have, in this scarcity-defined system, on this planet.
Edit by Zorgon... Fixed link
Thanks for fixing the link, zorg.
I thought of starting a new thread, because this is so weird.
When I first began My petition, I was getting an average of one signature per email I sent. Maybe a little less.
For a couple of days I did not email, seeing if I would get signatures from the word being passed along, but the numbers tapered off. I began emailing again, and the numbers picked up again.
Well... I have continued to email places - some I think would be thrilled to sign - but for the last three days, though I have concentrated on emailing people and places I have a fair thought would be interested, My number sits at 88. Even during the days I stopped emailing, I was getting at least ONE sig a day.
Am I being paranoid in thinking sigs are not being recorded or that My emails are not being delivered? Or have I merely reached all who are interested in this?
What say My friends here?
My honest opinion Amaterasu is that people don't really know what you are talking about. Even the ones that SHOULD know....probably don't.....Electrogravitation? Whats that? I can hear them say!
And the other problem is ( for me ) was.... where is this petition even going? Unless you have a particular person who ALSO understands all of the ramifications of " electrogravity technology..... and is in a position of DOING something about it...... its going to get shrugged off and ignored. Maybe seeing that as its fate people just don't want to bother.
My comment is that you have learned something really valuable here. You need a powerful political person.... in your camp..... with an understanding of what you are talking about. You need a target to aim for......without that..... like someone said.... the light you are trying to shine will be dim......you need a lightning bolt girl, not just a group of 88 well meaning fireflies!
This message sent by one of your fireflies.... with all her good wishes...... don't quit. Linda
Thank You, Linda. There is no option on the Change petition for individuals - at least, I could not see one. But the thing that is striking is the LACK of ANY sig over the past three days. Whether People understood it completely or not, I was getting sigs from My emails.
I intensified My emails and I am now getting NONE? That just strikes Me as odd. VERY odd. I am not emailing cookbook sites, I'm emailing "weird science" sites, "physics" sites, "free energy" sites, etc., and any individuals whose email I encounter related to these subjects. I join forums and post. But...
Suddenly there are no sigs coming in. None.
The petition, I imagine, will have only the effect of raising awareness. And that is the first step. If the awareness reaches a tipping point... We can make the demands en masse.
But who knows. Maybe the petition WILL have an effect.
Hi Amy,
this being my first ever post here, i will try to keep it brief & to the point.
I am still reading everything, and i will certainly take the time to join that petition, only i have to be discreet, i already had one threatening note from the FBI for downloading everything (i could find) on Tesla;) You know already what my reply was, it was my first thread on ATS.
Needless to say, with my recent exposure on several sites, i have to allow for backing up everything, & releasing it all online to avoid being 'gagged' by said alphabet agencies.
At the end of the day, i don't give a * and will gladly join in.
I have already upset a few companies via Greenpeace LOL
Your reasoning that energy=money paradigm is true, i have first hand material from the CFR way back when, and they already knew; to control the energy is to control the world.
But they can't control all of it, so they just go for the biggest energy resource, OIL. And to make that control complete, they make everybody dependent on it and squash anything else that comes along, even if it's far more efficient.
Like J.P. Morgan said; "if you can't put a meter on it, i'm not interested..."
As for the rest of your posts & replies, i already agree with every line, even though i have yet to read them all :D
I will also post all relevant data i have in a special folder on my site, or on Mediafire, & link them here.
Going to need gallons of coffee for this one.....
I love this place, thank you all.
Quote from: Amaterasu on February 17, 2012, 08:42:20 PM
Thank You, Linda. There is no option on the Change petition for individuals - at least, I could not see one. But the thing that is striking is the LACK of ANY sig over the past three days. Whether People understood it completely or not, I was getting sigs from My emails.
I intensified My emails and I am now getting NONE? That just strikes Me as odd. VERY odd. I am not emailing cookbook sites, I'm emailing "weird science" sites, "physics" sites, "free energy" sites, etc., and any individuals whose email I encounter related to these subjects. I join forums and post. But...
Suddenly there are no sigs coming in. None.
The petition, I imagine, will have only the effect of raising awareness. And that is the first step. If the awareness reaches a tipping point... We can make the demands en masse.
But who knows. Maybe the petition WILL have an effect.
Hopefully I will have been 89?????????????????
hobbit
Thanks, Luke!
Let Me know when You sign. I want to verify that it is recording new sigs. I wouldn't put it past THEM (not Change.org, necessarily...) to just not record additional input. To leave it stuck at 88 sigs.
I am looking forward to Your heaps of info! Why the FBI would be concerned about You collecting stuff on Tesla...well, I was going to say it makes no sense - unless He had secrets They don't want out. But since He had secrets They don't want out, it surely DOES make sense.
Yes, as I say in My End of Entropy piece, Jeremy Rifkin, author of Entropy, which started the whole recycling and "carbon footprint" stuff, said specifically that energy=money. And We see very clear signs that money=power (over Others).
So it's not a far stretch to see that money, power over Others, and energy are three forms of the same thing, and if One adds abundantly energy into the system, it eliminates the need for money, and the power over Others money affords.
Again, looking forward to the info You have!
Quote from: hobbit on February 17, 2012, 09:05:33 PM
Hopefully I will have been 89?????????????????
hobbit
YES! Indeed, it just went to 89! That leaves the possibility that My communications are being...misrouted?
Thanks, hobbit! 11 more to go to the first goal!
What i see here is always like this (especially with petitions).
I think Linda has a point, you really need someone with some clout to make any kind of impact, i speak from experience. I once petitioned Richard Branson to take a closer look at this tech, then he could offer day-trips to the moon, or mars.
However, if you've seen that film 'the quickening' then you will see that we are approaching some kind of nexus, or renaissance, (or rapture, if you're religiuos). Call it what you will, it's happening, & more people than ever will want some answers. I hope it's the transformation to a 'type 1 civilisation'--something i have waited for all my life.
I think it is our job (as outsiders, if you will) to get those answers, and prepare to deliver the message when people come, and they will, and try to persuade them that this is the only viable option. Sounds a lot like the Zeitgeist movement, which i am a supporter of.
The current state of affairs is unacceptable, right?
I say we go for it, anyone know any Masons that might be interested? Let them show their colours by supporting this movement.....
By the way, you should get a sig from me in about an hour....
Quote from: Amaterasu on February 17, 2012, 09:10:21 PM
YES! Indeed, it just went to 89! That leaves the possibility that My communications are being...misrouted?
Thanks, hobbit! 11 more to go to the first goal!
Make Your next goal...144 then 233 , don't play by false games, go natures route.
I am honoured to be 89.
hobbit
OK the petition is in, i sent a nice letter with it :)
There it goes;)
I have a very fast server......
While I agree that a "big name" or "big wig" or such would help... My problem is finding one that will pay any attention to Me.
I have emailed lots of People (wish I could find an email for Brian Cox!) and have gotten zero in reply. I have rephrased, reworked, and repackaged the "product" to no avail. And meanwhile, I do what I can.
As for the Zeitgeist movement... I appreciate Their efforts (and even are relatively active on the forum at TZMnetwork.com (which, interestingly, is down right now...), but My biggest "beef" is that They seem to think still in scarcity terms for governance - as in "President" (or equivalent), "Representatives," etc.
I propose a chaos-driven, web-based system much like a forum, but where, instead of "threads" getting buried in time, they are listed by the number of "stars" (or whatever approval marker) they get. The higher the number, the more People are concerned about an issue.
Also, solutions suggested can receive "cheers" and "boos" with the opportunity to explain the reasoning.
With profit out of the way as a motivation, the BEST solutions will rise, and leaders of the moment - those who can implement solutions - will emerge. No one Individual will "be in charge" of the whole system.
Also, the system will be tiered. The local level can serve to solve local problems, and with enough "stars" (some number) will be elevated to a regional level. Some number of additional "stars" bring it up further and so on, until it is seen as a global issue. Few problems will make it that far without a solution.
Individuals are allowed to review and vote and suggest and comment on any locality, region, etc., allowing problems that may concern more than the locals to have input from elsewhere.
In this fashion, problems will beget solutions, the problems will be real, the reactions unscripted, the end result driven by honest concern and not propaganda or control, as no one Individual will have more "pull" than any other. And the BEST solutions will be forthcoming.
It is what is called a stigmergic system. For a definition and explanation of "stigmergic," see: http://journal.media-culture.org.au/0605/03-elliott.php
Linux is a prime example of a moneyless, stigmergic emergence. People, as a rule, find bliss in solving problems.
And, yes. The current way about which We are going at things is wholly unacceptable. But, sadly, I know no Masons personally.
Playswith Machines.... you said
"i speak from experience. I once petitioned Richard Branson to take a closer look at this tech, then he could offer day-trips to the moon, or mars.And what was the result of that? Did your message ever actually reach him? Strikes me that the guy has all the courage in the world to look at electrogravity seriously...and he is better in place to make good use of any devloping technology in this area.
What did he say? Linda
Quote from: hobbit on February 17, 2012, 09:21:55 PM
Make Your next goal...144 then 233 , don't play by false games, go natures route.
I am honoured to be 89.
hobbit
Sadly, I do not set the goals. Change.org does. If I could, I surely would.
So glad You're honored!
Hobbit is simply showing you that even without your concious knowledge there are situations which are putting limits on your own ability to get something done. English itself carries with it tons of self limiting baggage... just in the words that we use.
I understand that the outfit that is handling your
"Petition" sets certain rules.... and for this operation you need to play by their " rules" but actually they have no " rules" or limits on you. You might not stay even in their sandbox..... perhaps there are Other ways to accomplish what you want to...... I still believe that you can get much done as soon as you have been able to focus your energies...... Linda
@Linda; I got a letter from their press office thanking me for my interest... :(
Seriously, i doubt he even got the mail, his PR guys just shrugged it off.
I'm afraid this gap between 'conventional' and 'crank' will just get bigger.
Something has to give, and their theory has more faults in it than ours!
@Amy;
Absolutely!
It's the old 'problem/reaction/solution' game.
And your solution is spot on.
I like your idea of applying this on a 'social network' scale.
15 minutes a day? I can do that;)
I think the politics of the future should be like this, true democracy ( i hope).
Personally, i would make Asimov compulsory reading in schools:)
Tesla's FBI files;
What i mostly downloaded was correspondence between various agencies, some were letters signed by J Edgar Hoover himself, and ( i have to check the dates to verify this) some were sent after he left office, and even after he died!
Much of the text has been blacked out, but i would like to use modern imaging tech on these letters! Maybe that's what all the fuss is about.....
Anyway, it's up on my site, in My Files / theory / what the FBI has to say/ about 5Mb each...
Your effort re; Zeitgeist:
Have you tried TZM germany? Contact them via 'Maoclauswitz' on Yootoob, tell them Stawmy sent you:D. Yes i recognise the 2 names, but he swears it means nothing, just a name.
Having spoken to him, i believe him. I sometimes advise TZM on technical matters.
OK have to go now, my wife just called....she's a dear, i must devote some time to her.
See ya all later!
PWM
Quote from: Amaterasu on February 17, 2012, 09:44:56 PM
Sadly, I do not set the goals. Change.org does. If I could, I surely would.
So glad You're honored!
My hobbit uncle Fibonacci told Me not to abide by the false numbers given, they will tie You up in a spiders web of deciet.
Also to listen only to solfeggio, as sung by Julie Andrews, not the false frequencies given.
You cannot achieve a win if You play by the rules that are false, there are masters of such.
You declare that You want to enable the masses to have access to how nature operates.
Then operate how nature does, or stay decieved.
hobbit
@ hobbit; Agreed!
BTW i have updated my last post, both FBI files are alredy there....
Quote from: Linda Brown on February 17, 2012, 09:52:54 PM
Hobbit is simply showing you that even without your concious knowledge there are situations which are putting limits on your own ability to get something done. English itself carries with it tons of self limiting baggage... just in the words that we use.
I understand that the outfit that is handling your
"Petition" sets certain rules.... and for this operation you need to play by their " rules" but actually they have no " rules" or limits on you. You might not stay even in their sandbox..... perhaps there are Other ways to accomplish what you want to...... I still believe that you can get much done as soon as you have been able to focus your energies...... Linda
I see what You're saying, and surely, I have set goals outside of the ones Change.org sets. But the goal of 100 elevates the petition in some way there, so I have to "play by Their rules" in that sense.
Not sure how My personal energies could be better focused... All I live for is getting the word out.
Quote from: hobbit on February 17, 2012, 10:16:54 PM
My hobbit uncle Fibonacci told Me not to abide by the false numbers given, they will tie You up in a spiders web of deciet.
Also to listen only to solfeggio, as sung by Julie Andrews, not the false frequencies given.
You cannot achieve a win if You play by the rules that are false, there are masters of such.
You declare that You want to enable the masses to have access to how nature operates.
Then operate how nature does, or stay decieved.
hobbit
[smile] Thank You. I grasp what You're saying. Was merely pointing out that They offer limits to what They will do based on Their design. Surely, I plan further than what They have set.
I sense that surely Amaterasu.... I don't think anyone could be more passionate about this field. I am the same.... but there comes a point where you have to learn to do things differently than you have ever expected to have to operate.
Trust that you will KNOW what to do..... and then take a few days and just " let go", Trust me.... I know how difficult that might be for you to do because you are driving hard at this..... but just for me..... let go for just a bit.... Let go.... and see if another plan doesn't occur to your mind......It might arrive just like a present all tied up with a bow on it.....At the very Least you will give your brain a much deserved break. Just throw the question out there.... What else can I do? And then .... Let go. Sometimes the most amazing thoughts come to you! Linda
Quote from: PLAYSWITHMACHINES on February 17, 2012, 10:10:39 PM
Your effort re; Zeitgeist:
Have you tried TZM germany? Contact them via 'Maoclauswitz' on Yootoob, tell them Stawmy sent you:D. Yes i recognise the 2 names, but he swears it means nothing, just a name.
Having spoken to him, i believe him. I sometimes advise TZM on technical matters.
I'm not subscribed to YT and rather don't want to be. I tried checking out the German site of The Z Movement, but I speak only a tiny lick of German and had no clue what to click where.
Perhaps You can message Me with information...?
Quote from: Linda Brown on February 17, 2012, 11:43:49 PM
I sense that surely Amaterasu.... I don't think anyone could be more passionate about this field. I am the same.... but there comes a point where you have to learn to do things differently than you have ever expected to have to operate.
Trust that you will KNOW what to do..... and then take a few days and just " let go", Trust me.... I know how difficult that might be for you to do because you are driving hard at this..... but just for me..... let go for just a bit.... Let go.... and see if another plan doesn't occur to your mind......It might arrive just like a present all tied up with a bow on it.....At the very Least you will give your brain a much deserved break. Just throw the question out there.... What else can I do? And then .... Let go. Sometimes the most amazing thoughts come to you! Linda
Hmmm. That's rather what I did...and then the idea of the petition popped into My mind. I had been going about promoting on basically ATS and was frustrated. So I took that deep breath and stepped away for a few days. Like I said - the petition popped in. I never dreamed I would be running a petition! (ATS wouldn't let Me post about it OR U2U (message) Others about it...so the search-and-inform method began.)
I guess I will try it again. [shrug]
Your petition movement might have accomplished what it was supposed to do.... you just don't see that quite yet. It was not a failure at all.... but take another breath and see what happens next! Linda
Quote from: Linda Brown on February 18, 2012, 12:44:54 AM
Your petition movement might have accomplished what it was supposed to do.... you just don't see that quite yet. It was not a failure at all.... but take another breath and see what happens next! Linda
Hello Linda
Hello Amaterasu
Hello Forum
Amaterasu sometimes the words we say have more importance than we may first realise. Sometimes the subject is of such magnitude it takes more than just a voice in the wilderness, not because the voice is wrong but rather that it is right, and in being right it carries a heavy responsibility and often takes a demanding toll. And sometimes it takes more than a voice to breach the dam.
Keep going, don't stop, as Linda said, fireflies... we are all fireflies
but sometimes the glowing tail is not what you think and sometimes more than what you expect.
arc
Thank You so much, arc. It's good to hear encouragement. I hope to ignite the fire with the help of those who hear My humble words. A handful of fireflies may seem unimpressive...but billions would make quite a show.
Quote from: Amaterasu on February 18, 2012, 06:36:53 AM
Thank You so much, arc. It's good to hear encouragement. I hope to ignite the fire with the help of those who hear My humble words. A handful of fireflies may seem unimpressive...but billions would make quite a show.
And let it be so Amaterasu, a voice is not singular if it strikes accord with others, a well timed and well aimed voice may be the progenator of more than just a speech, it may ...start a movement.
Quote from: arc on February 18, 2012, 08:15:30 AM
And let it be so Amaterasu, a voice is not singular if it strikes accord with others, a well timed and well aimed voice may be the progenator of more than just a speech, it may ...start a movement.
[smile] So be it, friend! So be it!
BTW, welcome to the best site for actually discussing things without trolls. [grin]
Quote from: Amaterasu on February 18, 2012, 08:47:01 AM
[smile] So be it, friend! So be it!
BTW, welcome to the best site for actually discussing things without trolls. [grin]
Thank you, I look forward to many discussions
On another note, Moderators, I have just been informed by the AI that someone from here [url] tried unsuccessfully to access some ttbrown flies within my server-cluster. If you drop me a pm I can update you/them on the new access methods/locations
arc