Dr. Joseph Farrell takes notice of the claims to mineral rights by Guy Cramer, Joseph Resnick, & Timothy O'Neill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioVaIggPUiM
http://gizadeathstar.com/2013/12/news-from-nefarium/ (http://gizadeathstar.com/2013/12/news-from-nefarium/)
I posted this info there as well...
Pay close attention to those 3 gentlemen. There is more to this than meets the eye. Does anyone else find it interesting that they have these claims and also that these guys are experts in camoflage & cloaking technology. They also have close ties to HAARP. Check out the links below...
http://www.hyperstealth.com/
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/12/11/quantum-stealth-invisibility-hyperstealth_n_2277394.html
http://www.superforce.com/haarp/
http://www.uniteddynamics.com/
If anyone could hide any sort of operations in space or at some remote mining facility etc. it would be this crew
Quote from: Ellirium113 on December 21, 2013, 03:26:49 PM
Pay close attention to those 3 gentlemen. There is more to this than meets the eye. Does anyone else find it interesting that they have these claims and also that these guys are experts in camoflage & cloaking technology. They also have close ties to HAARP. Check out the links below...
Mr Ellirium113I am surprised nay SHOCKED... :o
I suppose I should ask you "Who are you and what did you do with the real Ellirium113?
The Mineral Right on the moon was what got Pegasus started with John Lear and his mining of the moon and Mars conspiracy.
In fact this material was the FIRST articles we posted on the Living Moon :D
In fact, it was this mineral rights issue that got us the phone call from Dr Joe Resnick way back in 2007.
It was this issue that got Pegasus the contacts on Philadelphia Experiment, The mining ops on the moon and Mars and the Stealth patent.
I posted all this here, on the website, and even Open Minds
I am glad that you finally discovered this :D
John sent me looking into it quite some time ago. :P
I was surprised Dr. Farrell finally had a look at it as I had presented the info there before...but will he go further down the rabbit hole?
Quote from: Ellirium113 on December 21, 2013, 03:26:49 PM
If anyone could hide any sort of operations in space or at some remote mining facility etc. it would be this crew
Oh yes... they could indeed....
Well, there is a rabbit on the moon now, time for the hole. As far as the commercialization of Space. The PTB will take all the money out of that one for themselves also. So in a bad way what do I care what they do up there. Unless it is going to put cash in my pocket or create 100 million new jobs, we will never see any of it. Would I fund it, Yes. I would put even more cash flow into it and never stopped Apollo. But doing that stuff gets a president shot. Must keep those secrets.
"Space" is such an infinite term, and we humans are but a tiny spec in the universe we even know a tiny bit about. With whatever man touches, man seems to find ways to commercialize enough of it to pay for ways of finding more stuff to touch and commercialize, to pay for ways of finding more stuff to touch and commercialize enough of it to find more stuff to touch...............well, you get the point.
Commercializing is not a bad thing, in the ways of business Earth. We need stuff in our lives - resources and minerals - for food, parts, equipment, and etc. and commercialization is a way of creating pathways for making those things happen - except under a TAP system. ;)
Some people may want to make the Moon into a "National Park", but on one hand, entry tickets will not pay for people just getting there. :) On the other hand, we are pretty much stepping into a "black hole" when we actually move off of the planet, and into "space". We do not know what we "don't know", because "we do not know".
We do not know who or what is out there in space. The "rules" out there may be far different than we could even imagine. Our Moon may already be someone else's "National Park", so to speak, and it may already be "commercialized". We are a "new kid on the block" in even the area of "near-by space".
Me thinks the entire space thing will be a "live and learn" situation, which is OK, as long as we the people get the "truth of whether the Earth is flat of round". Without the truth, we are "dead in the water, in regard to "space", and thus are anybody's fool!
I like how Jospeh is approaching his own discovery's via youtube through his own means. I have not paid too much attention his work in the past and may not pay too much in the future but all the same it's nice to see someone go out on their own merit and give a personal opinion on their own horse rather than through other media.
One point he mentioned about some people believing the Mil is Space Operations... It's a known thing in the Field of Space. Nasa is for Overt feely good's. ;D
Here's an interview with Duncan Steel on Australian Radio:
Space scientist Duncan Steel
Duncan Steel, Australian scientist and authority on space, on near-Earth objects
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/thursday-2-may-2013/4666532
It really doesn't need a CT angle in the sense of gaining hit's and media attention as one can find people who say this very thing all around who are in respected postiions :D
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/latenightlive/thursday-2-may-2013/4666532
Quote from: rdunk on December 22, 2013, 04:49:22 PM
"Space" is such an infinite term, and we humans are but a tiny spec in the universe we even know a tiny bit about. With whatever man touches, man seems to find ways to commercialize enough of it to pay for ways of finding more stuff to touch and commercialize, to pay for ways of finding more stuff to touch and commercialize enough of it to find more stuff to touch...............well, you get the point.
We do not know who or what is out there in space. The "rules" out there may be far different than we could even imagine. Our Moon may already be someone else's "National Park", so to speak, and it may already be "commercialized". We are a "new kid on the block" in even the area of "near-by space".
Me thinks the entire space thing will be a "live and learn" situation, which is OK, as long as we the people get the "truth of whether the Earth is flat of round". Without the truth, we are "dead in the water, in regard to "space", and thus are anybody's fool!
You, Do you have a clue as to how correct you are?!?!?
Freakin GOLD for yah!
Quote from: rdunk on December 22, 2013, 04:49:22 PM
Some people may want to make the Moon into a "National Park", but on one hand, entry tickets will not pay for people just getting there. :)
Not the whole moon (or Mars) Just certain areas :P Grand Canyon on Earth is also a national park :P
QuoteOn the other hand, we are pretty much stepping into a "black hole" when we actually move off of the planet, and into "space". We do not know what we "don't know", because "we do not know".
Currently NO ONE has 'official' jurisdiction off planet. Since there is no publicly admit space program beyond NASA et al... then no one has any jurisdiction. It is LITERALLY first come first take... and ultimately will be based on "possession is 9/10th of the law", with the other 10th being the ability to defend it :D
Now the NAVY has already stated on the first Clementine site that they will NOT get involved in any land owner disputes on the Moon :D
(http://umlr.net/04images/Minerals/Navy_001.png)
QuoteWe do not know who or what is out there in space. The "rules" out there may be far different than we could even imagine. Our Moon may already be someone else's "National Park", so to speak, and it may already be "commercialized". We are a "new kid on the block" in even the area of "near-by space".
Maybe maybe not. 8)
What if some of those that are in the know, the ones we keep saying are part of the cover up, are involved?
What is one of those has been appointed to the UN to rewrite the space treaty laws?
Imagine the 'possibilities' then :D
QuoteMe thinks the entire space thing will be a "live and learn" situation, which is OK, as long as we the people get the "truth of whether the Earth is flat of round". Without the truth, we are "dead in the water, in regard to "space", and thus are anybody's fool!
The TRUTH is;
The world is a sphere, not flat. However there is no such thing as up :D THAT is all the truth about space you really need to know in order to live your daily lives :P
The TRUTH is;
Space is up for grabs... literally a take what you can hold situation... a true New Frontier like the Old West was
There is NO LAW in space... NONE (Even if there was a Galactic Federation they would have no rule over local space. Any Aliens that may or may not already be on the planets in the solar system, unless they were born on that world, are TRESPASSERS and in the days of the Old West, you can shoot trespassers and there is no lawman can stop you because their is no lawman :P
So step right up and get a 'piece of the action' while you can
Even moon land is speculative until you hold it.ultimately the billionairs would take it all.since we cant afford to defend it.not against people with bigger guns.
Sounds cool though.
I will sell moon owners plasma weapons.payment in gold.place orders now for first production models.
Quote from: robomont on February 02, 2014, 07:19:25 AM
Even moon land is speculative until you hold it.ultimately the billionairs would take it all.since we cant afford to defend it.not against people with bigger guns.
Sounds cool though.
I will sell moon owners plasma weapons.payment in gold.place orders now for first production models.
You would have to fight off these guys first... :P ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prLOjYqwaAc
SpaceX Dragon capsule one step closer to sending people into space
http://www.theweathernetwork.com/news/articles/spacex-dragon-capsule-one-step-closer-to-sending-people-into-space/16652/
SpaceX is one step closer to sending people into space via its Dragon capsule.
NASA has recently reviewed the private company's safety procedures and they passed with flying colours.
This paves the way for additional testing that could lead to a manned space flight in a few years' time.
Quote from: micjer on February 11, 2014, 01:12:45 AM
NASA has recently reviewed the private company's safety procedures and they passed with flying colours.
LOL NASA did the safety specs?
:o
Well that sucks... they are doomed then LOL
Time to mine the moon, says European Space AgencyQuoteA key figure at the European Space Agency says we must look at how we exploit the moon's resources before it is too late, as missions begin to map its surface and Nasa calls for bids to mine in space.
QuoteThere are already companies working on how 3D printing could help build infrastructure on the moon, as well as missions which are beginning to map its surface ahead of bids to drill for its resources.
"We do not have decades to come up with answers to these important questions about exploring the moon," he said. "A fleet of international missions has already started to prospect and map the distribution of mineral resources, and water-ice."
This would prepare a smart path towards humans living off the land in international lunar bases. Bernard Foing, ESA scientist
Speaking at the EuroScience Open Forum meeting in Copenhagen, the biggest gathering of scientists in Europe, he said how the moon's future will look should be planned now.
"Precursor landers can be operated in a coordinated robotic village, with in-situ use of resources, done with respect. This would prepare a sustainable and smart path towards humans living off the land in international lunar bases," he said.
"The moon is like the 8th continent of earth - it is only reasonable we want to mine it," he added, pointing out that this refers not only to minerals but mining for knowledge about earth's past as well as inspiring scientific leaps forward.
Moon mining - and moolah
The possibility of mining the moon for resources, whether to use them on the moon itself or bring them back to earth, is not new. Scientists believe the rock could hold oxygen, hydrogen, iron and rare metals, as well as possibly helium 3, a resource which is rare on earth but which could be more common on the moon.
They believe it could be used to energise nuclear fusion reactions and provide vast amounts of energy in a process which avoids the radioactive waste of nuclear fission, the process used in nuclear power on earth currently.
Many suggest the hunt for this mineral was behind China's first moon landing last year, and in 2012 director James Cameron - yes, he of Avatar and Aliens, both sci-fi films in which space mining feature - joined a group of other celebrities and entrepreneurs to set up a company called Planetary Resources Inc to attempt to turn science fiction into fact.
Watch: science fiction or science fact? Mining in outer space
Planetary Resources is also backed by Google founder Larry Page, as is another space project which Google has sponsored with $30m of prize money. It is a competition to get a robot to the moon by 2015, which can then explore the surface and transmit video and images back to earth.
The Google Lunar XPrize organisers say they will have no rights to the technology and they certainly do not want to go to space themselves - but they will have some rights to the so-called "mooncasts".
Who owns the moon?
It is not just Google who are getting in on the act either. In February, Nasa called for bids from companies who want to mine on the moon. The agency has not yet decided who has won.
It is the latest collaboration between the space agency and big business at a time when its budget has dwindled. Space exploration is fantastically expensive, and private companies have the money where governments do not. Partnerships of this type help service the International Space Station (ISS).
As well as mining the moon, scientists say it could provide a base for wider space exploration as it is much easier - and cheaper - to launch missions from the moon rather than earth because it has only one-sixth of earth's gravity, and no atmosphere.
But the spread of big bucks capitalism to outer space is, some say, concerning: is it right that the moon could effectively fall into the hands of the highest bidder? That is in part what the ESA wants the world to consider, before it is too late.
Dr Foing said: "The Outer Space Treaty [from 1967] specifies that no country or citizen owns the moon. With international cooperation towards a world strategy for the exploration and utilization of the moon, we can exploit reasonably scarce lunar resources and still preserve sites of historic and scientific interest."
This same treaty, incidentally, also says that there can be no weapons in space. Perhaps if the world wants to avoid turning the moon into the 21st century version of the wild west, this is a regulation which should not be ignored. It is time to tread carefully in our moon boots.
http://www.channel4.com/news/moon-mining-esa-space-agency-nasa-astronauts-time-to-mine (http://www.channel4.com/news/moon-mining-esa-space-agency-nasa-astronauts-time-to-mine)
Mining for knowledge about the earth's past eh? as in archaeological digs? :-X
Well, thats interesting!
A space port, and plans to mine the moon, now they
just need a way to get there! ;D ;)
In related news - DARPA has awarded prime contracts for Phase 1 of
its XS-1 Spaceplane.
The Boeing Company (working with Blue Origin, LLC)
Masten Space Systems (working with XCOR Aerospace)
Northrop Grumman Corporation (working with Virgin Galactic)
Quote"We chose performers who could prudently integrate existing and up-and-coming technologies and operations, while making XS-1 as reliable, easy-to-use and cost-effective as possible," Jess Sponable, DARPA program manager. "We're eager to see how their initial designs envision making spaceflight commonplace—with all the potential military, civilian and commercial benefits that capability would provide.
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2014/07/15/boeing-northrop-masten-funding-darpas-xs1-space-plane/
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There we go! ;)
Thanks for the update.
Very interesting times we live in.
Bless
Back
Hmm, doesn't the air force already have their little un-manned mini shuttle that is re-usable? Stays in orbit for a year at a time?
more dog and pony show, me thinks...
seeker
Methinks You're right.
Asteroid Mining Bill Introduced In Congress To Protect Private Property Rights Quote"Rep. Bill Posey (R-FL) announced on Thursday that he was introducing a bill along with Rep, Derek Kilmer (D-WA) called the American Space Technology for Exploring Resource Opportunities in Deep Space (ASTEROIDS) Act of 2014 (PDF). The act is designed to protect the private property rights for entities mining asteroids and to otherwise encourage asteroid mining. The bill is in apparent reaction to efforts by companies like Planetary Resources and Deep Space Industries to locate and mine Earth approaching asteroids for their resources.
The crucial part of the short piece of legislation states that the resources mined from an asteroid would be the property of the entity undertaking the operation. This language gets around the provision of the Outer Space Treaty that says states are forbidden to establish national sovereignty over celestial bodies, which would be a prerequisite to the United States allowing a private entity to own an asteroid. It rather grants mineral rights to the asteroid, something the treaty does not mention. There is no enforcement mechanism in the event of a dispute with another country, however."
http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/07/11/1237251/asteroid-mining-bill-introduced-in-congress-to-protect-private-property-rights (http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/07/11/1237251/asteroid-mining-bill-introduced-in-congress-to-protect-private-property-rights)
i just read what you posted but would say this law could be used later to drag us into a space war over mineral resources.as its not a un law.all this law would do is keep entities in the usa from fighting.but as im almost sure the majority of safely mined stuff is probably gone.i bet usgs has already determined where it was and already got it.the good stuff was probably on venus.and the asteroids are mostly nickel and iron.with traces of other stuff.if its not gold ,platinum or paladium,i cant see justifying the resources.maybe they did find something the corporations are willing to fight over and spurred this action.
Quotei just read what you posted but would say this law could be used later to drag us into a space war over mineral resources.
;) You read the fine print.
This from a good source. "it will never fly...they'll never get enough votes as it could present problematic with United Nations Treaty. The Congressmen were paid a shit load of money to sponsor the legislation by the Florida-Gang. The legislation is a violation of the Space Treaty...other Congressmen will not support it. the Bill will 'die in Committee'.."
Alien Artifacts On The Moon?QuoteAs nutty as it may seem to the uninitiated, the notion of looking for alien artifacts on our own Moon may finally be gaining mainstream scientific traction.
There are good reasons to seriously consider the possibility that at some point in the Earth-Moon system's storied 4.5 billion year-old history, an alien intelligence may have passed through our solar system; leaving physical artifacts of their visits.
These artifacts would likely entail more than just alien space trash, and would arguably include evidence of alien scientific or industrial activity, such as extremely advanced lunar mining, energy generation; even technology related to lunar nearside Earth reconnaissance.
QuoteDavies thinks the ideal lunar survey would not only include a search for optical anomalies but would go beyond the breadth of LRO's own mission to include searches for evidence of alien lunar industrial activity.
"[Evidence of past] mining or quarrying could show up in gravimetry or magnetic surveys, even if an ancient mine was buried under the lunar regolith," said Davies. "We could detect [alien] nuclear waste perhaps from a lunar satellite by looking for localized gamma ray sources from the lunar surface."
A crowdsource lunar image analysis initiative might use Tomnod-type search software in the same way that volunteers were recruited to search satellite imaging for the missing Malaysian 777.
Davies says at some stage any search needs to be automated and use state-of-the-art software.
"In searching for artifacts, one is looking for 'something fishy'," said Davies. "But 'fishiness' requires a human decision in advance about a signature of artificiality. There are some simple examples, like right angle edges. But we have little idea what million year-old technology might look like."
QuoteDavies says a search for lunar artifacts should be combined with a search for unusual geological features. However improbable, Davies says planetary scientists need to keep their eyes open for non-random anomalies; even ones on the moon and scrutinize their respective databases to "keep an eye out" for putative signatures of alien technology.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucedorminey/2014/07/23/crowdsourcing-the-search-for-alien-artifacts/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucedorminey/2014/07/23/crowdsourcing-the-search-for-alien-artifacts/)
Hmm..crowdsourced close inspection of the moon without the NASA editing. Would be great if they can pull it off without it being meddled with.