i just read this cheery little piece this morning but it was put on line in 2010..it may already be too late :(
guess that's why old b gates is into eugenics and why countries are trying to get off the planet to somewhere else.
guess i better step up my recipe testing, huh
http://www.upworthy.com/a-smartypants-scientist-makes-an-easy-analogy-about-our-planet-and-now-im-scared
A Smartypants Scientist Makes An Easy Analogy About Our Planet, And Now I'm Scared
Rajiv Narayan
A good analogy can go a long way. What's great about this clip is that it starts out all cheery and hypothetical. Then here comes the punch line and BAM you're sort of kind of terrified. I know I am.
Credits:
David Suzuki is the guy who just made you a pee your pants a bit.
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Environment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x98KFcMJeo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x98KFcMJeo
Uploaded on Dec 20, 2010
David Suzuki speaks about world populations and how growth, is ultimately suicidal.
I don't think so, as there at least two differences between Earth and that theoretical test tube:
1 - the Earth is not full of food, allowing for a constant growth
2 - the population growth does not happen as in the example, people just don't turn into two.
But yes, I am known as being an optimist. ;D
My thought on this is, it is relevant to we humans here. My problem with it is, in his use of the minute time scale, and his assumption that nothing changes. The scale of minutes, does make it easily understandable, but also more "scary", to get attention. If he had used "eon" as a time scale, would it have been as scary? In astronomy, "eon" is one billion years - if we were already in the middle of the last eon, would we be scared about the end result yet?
Our population is growing- 4 births every second of every day, while almost 2 people die every second of every day. So.............every day the population of the earth grows by about 208,000 people. Each year the population grows by 76 million people. Thus, in 13 years, we will have another billion people on this planet.
We are at about 7 billion people now, so with just simple straight-line growth, in 91 more years the population of the Earth will have doubled to 14 billion. By that time, we may be having to use the Moon for dumping all of our waste and excrement, doncha think?
Yes, moving into space, and to the stars, will be the obvious answer - but can we even do that in the time we have?
I am with Armap in being optomystic :P
Check how much food is being thrown into landfill each year worldwide... that will blow anyone's mind.
:o
8)
i do like the way you guys think... ;D
when i see stuff like this or read about it
it works to make me want to solve the problem not
sit an let it continue...
That sounded like eugenics propaganda to Me. As was mentioned, because We distribute by profit and not need, We produce about 25% more food than We ALL could eat on this planet (and with vertical farming and other tech, We could be producing enough to feed 100 times the present population), but throw out nearly half because of spoilage.
Also, population growth overall is slowing, going negative in places. If We lived in a society where We all could pursue Our interests and gifts, that would drop more because the poor would not be relegated to TV and sex for entertainment. It is a fact that the more "affluent" One is the less likely One is to have large families.
Plus, We are being attacked from many angles which reduce births (BPA's feminize men and can produce sterility, as just one example).
So, I call BS fear mongering on this guy.
Quote from: Amaterasu on December 27, 2013, 01:21:30 AM
If We lived in a society where We all could pursue Our interests and gifts, that would drop more because the poor would not be relegated to TV and sex for entertainment.
The poor don't have TV.
Depends where You are, ArMaP. And without TV...sex is all that's left for entertainment.
the bulk of the world's pop is in india and china, both of which have methods of curtailing population growth by murdering their unborn or newly born females. in less than a generation (40 years) china's population growth will grind to a halt. i mean a dead halt. india's will very slowly increase due to the introduction of abortion science. japan will kill its own population by exposure to lethal radiation doses. the european races, as their number decrease from financial pressures and laws regarding life quality for children, will slowly be killed off by racism and religious fantacism, leaving the planet mostly populated by arabs and blacks. muslims don't abort and have religious teachings requiring them to have large families.
game set match
holy crap, undo...aren't you just ms positive :P
Quote from: Amaterasu on December 27, 2013, 01:58:49 AM
Depends where You are, ArMaP. And without TV...sex is all that's left for entertainment.
While we each might have differing thoughts about this, for me, the word "entertainment" doesn't come anywhere even close for defining the "drive" of/for sexual relationship, in men or women., unless you are talking about watching it! ;) Sex as entertainment has never entered my mind! TV /entertaining, yes.
I would say that with the current make-up of we humans, the desire/need for sex is almost as powerful as that for food, if not more. But the words "desire" and "need" do not compute to the word "entertainment". :)
Quote from: sky otter on December 27, 2013, 03:29:26 AM
holy crap, undo...aren't you just ms positive :P
yeah i realized after i said it that it was kinda grim. i take it back. hehe
i prefer something like -- all these worlds are yours except europa, and then, the elite snapping out of genocide mode.
Quote from: Amaterasu on December 27, 2013, 01:58:49 AM
Depends where You are, ArMaP.
It shouldn't.
QuoteAnd without TV...sex is all that's left for entertainment.
That may be true, but I don't know anyone that considers (publicly) having sex as entertainment, although I have known several people that considered sex as a duty while married, by religious or cultural reasons.
PS: there's still the doubt about poor people feeling the need for entertainment, as that may be not really in their minds.
QuoteThat may be true, but I don't know anyone that considers (publicly) having sex as entertainment, although I have known several people that considered sex as a duty while married, by religious or cultural reasons.
My guess is you have never been to Thailand
And as far as I know, humans and dolphins are the only two animals on the planet that have sex for entertainment. Ask Clinton or Flipper.
Deuem
Quote from: ArMaP on December 27, 2013, 01:50:23 AM
The poor don't have TV.
Really ArMaP?
Most people have tvs in their homes. Some people dont have what to eat, but when you check their homes, there it is... a TV.(and to be honest, i think if they did not have it, the government would subsidize this to everyone. Its a matter of crowd control in my opinion ;) )
Here in Brazil, for example, almost 100% of the people have televisions as you can see in this study made by the IBGE (Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics):
(http://oi39.tinypic.com/25rknb6.jpg)
here is the oficial document : ftp://ftp.ibge.gov.br/Censos/Censo_Demografico_2010/Familias_e_Domicilios/censo_fam_dom.pdf (ftp://ftp.ibge.gov.br/Censos/Censo_Demografico_2010/Familias_e_Domicilios/censo_fam_dom.pdf)
As you can see almost 100% (its in brazilian portuguese)
Quote from: ArMaP on December 27, 2013, 09:14:59 AM
It shouldn't.
Well, i agree with you.
It shouldn't.
But im sure if people around the world didnt were watching TV, our society would be way different. If they were reading books instead, i dont think we would have reached 7 billion people in the world.
Quote from: ArMaP on December 27, 2013, 09:14:59 AM
It shouldn't.
That may be true, but I don't know anyone that considers (publicly) having sex as entertainment, although I have known several people that considered sex as a duty while married, by religious or cultural reasons.
PS: there's still the doubt about poor people feeling the need for entertainment, as that may be not really in their minds.
Dont you think people enjoy having sex?
Quoteen·joy (n-joi)
v. en·joyed, en·joy·ing, en·joys
v.tr.
1. To receive pleasure or satisfaction from.
2. To have the use or benefit of: enjoys good health.
v.intr.
To have a pleasurable or satisfactory time.
Phrasal Verb:
enjoy oneself
To have a pleasurable or satisfactory time.
https://www.google.com.br/#q=enjoy+definition (https://www.google.com.br/#q=enjoy+definition)
Maybe i am doing something wrong, but sex as something that amuses, pleases and entertains pretty much fits in the way i see it. This without going into the merit of the Sexual Imperative.
Quote from: ArMaP on December 22, 2013, 05:11:15 PM
I don't think so, as there at least two differences between Earth and that theoretical test tube:
1 - the Earth is not full of food, allowing for a constant growth
2 - the population growth does not happen as in the example, people just don't turn into two.
I fully agree!
My opinion is that the own planet, either by natural means (virus, etc) or artificial means (war, etc) tends to self adjust. Being right or wrong, who loses in the end of this story is the human being.
Edit to fix link*
Quote from: RUSSO on December 27, 2013, 11:48:39 AM
Really ArMaP?
Yes, the really poor.
QuoteHere in Brazil, for example, almost 100% of the people have televisions as you can see in this study made by the IBGE (Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics):
(http://oi39.tinypic.com/25rknb6.jpg)
I can see that they also have freezers, something those I see as the really poor do not have.
QuoteDont you think people enjoy having sex?
I do, obviously, but that's not the same as having sex for entertainment.
Are we Doomed?
There are many that think that soon over 2/3rds of surface dwellers will soon die.
First world countries may have only a tenth left remaining alive.
But, that is just what some thin and believe. ???
Quote from: ArMaP on December 27, 2013, 02:02:11 PM
Yes, the really poor.
No.. you wrong!
Most of those you calling really poor have a TV (+-70%) . Of course, some of them, dont! But not everyone that are really rich, have ferraris. (not comparing, just saying...)
Quote from: ArMaP on December 27, 2013, 02:02:11 PM
I can see that they also have freezers, something those I see as the really poor do not have.
And even tho.. they have a TV. More than freezers. Is not that kinda of funny?
Do you think a TV have the same importance of freezers? As i said before, people may dont have what to eat, but they will have that box in some corner where they live.
It's a matter of indoctrination promoted by a culture of almost all countries that use this artifice to create a caricature of society. This same caricature that helps them maintain power and, in a way, the order.
Quote from: ArMaP on December 27, 2013, 02:02:11 PM
I do, obviously, but that's not the same as having sex for entertainment.
Well, let me quote your talk with Amaterasu:
Quote from: Amaterasu on December 27, 2013, 01:58:49 AM
Depends where You are, ArMaP. And without TV...sex is all that's left for entertainment.
Quote from: ArMaP on December 27, 2013, 09:14:59 AM
That may be true, but I don't know anyone that considers (publicly) having sex as entertainment, although I have known several people that considered sex as a duty while married, by religious or cultural reasons.
Well im not one of those really really poor, but i do sex for entertainment (even having lots of options for it). And guess what... its amazing entertaining. Most of people i know do sex for pleasure (Its really a relief they dont do it just for duty or (ugh) religious or cultural), they enjoy it. Its ENTERTAINING. Way better than watch TV.
So there it is.. Now you know at least one person that, publicly, considers have sex as a very entetaining activity. I also feel that reading thought provoking books, do sports and talk with my wife for example, very entertaining.
But hey... you know that some kinds of populist governments, love that poor people make lots and lots of more poor people. As long as they watch TV (especially at election times) and accept some food in exchange of a vote. (Im being minimalist here)
Quote from: ArMaP on December 27, 2013, 09:14:59 AM
It shouldn't.
Here in the US, One can buy old TV's for next to nothing in places like the Salvation Army. TV's are ubiquitous. Sure, the poor in Africa likely have no TV. But here in the US, most DO have one.
QuoteThat may be true, but I don't know anyone that considers (publicly) having sex as entertainment, although I have known several people that considered sex as a duty while married, by religious or cultural reasons.
I did not say anything about PUBLIC sex. I said sex as entertainment. As something to do when bored because One cannot afford to go do what One REALLY wants to do.
QuotePS: there's still the doubt about poor people feeling the need for entertainment, as that may be not really in their minds.
ALL People seek something to entertain (occupy) Themselves with when bored. When what They want to do is out of reach.
Considering the strike out history of apocalyptic prophecy, count me in on the "not doomed" crew.
That being said, I have a fully stocked pantry, 1 weeks worth fresh water, and ammo. Cuz, you know. "Ship happens."
Quote from: Norval on December 27, 2013, 03:16:51 PM
Are we Doomed?
There are many that think that soon over 2/3rds of surface dwellers will soon die.
First world countries may have only a tenth left remaining alive.
But, that is just what some thin and believe. ???
Indeed, there are always those among us stating the end is near; in my recent scope of things I have survived the cold war, Y2K, and 2012...
but I can see the itch on you, Norval, so do lay it out for us if you please, kind sir...
@Wartoad: a well stocked pantry, deep rock well, generator, along with sufficient defensive accessories are always to hand; things do happen, 'tis better to have it and not need it...
seeker
Quote from: RUSSO on December 27, 2013, 03:34:38 PM
No.. you wrong!
It's possible, it has happened before. :D
But I think it's more a question of definitions (again) of some words, like "poor" and "entertainment".
Quote from: Amaterasu on December 27, 2013, 07:08:31 PM
I did not say anything about PUBLIC sex. I said sex as entertainment.
Neither did I.
bumped
..for reading over breakfast 8)
sounds fascinating, thanx Sky, you're a dear (sorry, an otter)
LOL sorry keyboard dying, too many typo's...........
Sex from being bored. For me, almost never. Being cold, yes. Sweating to death, No! No electricity or lights, Yes. That seems to be a number one thing here. No heat and no lights puts people to bed early. Once in touch with each other things happen. With no electricity , no TV and they make their own fun and many babies.
Once electricity is put in a home the first thing after a light bulb is a TV. I see this first hand all the time. I also see the very poor people gathered around stores that have a TV outside. They flock to it, to see what is going on in the world. Many families gather funds to buy one. Even an entire village would get together at first and put one in a meeting place. I know see so many TV dishes on top of homes in the poor villages it is hard to count.
So after sex in the dark comes the TV and a quick smoke for entertainment. I would say that TV might even cut into the sex in poor areas as being more entertaining and lest costly in the long run. [feeding babies] If you put a TV in front of a Dolphin they will watch it. Flipper used to watch all of his own shows and know when he was on screen. So for a least a 1/2 hour sex is in second place.
So when the big Doom comes and the electricity is gone, our spouces will take the role of entertainment once again. Mankind must have entertainment or he/she goes crazy.
Deuem
ps, honey I forgot to pay the electric bill and it is going to be real cold and dark tonight.
Nope, not itching to tell what I have learned at all. Uh uhhhh, nope, so quit askin, not tellen, nope, talk to da hand, yah talkin to me, did I say that out loud?
There are many that stock up to a years emergency supply of food. They are called Mormons. Well, mostly. Maybe a few other uhmmm, names, titles.
Most in the world today agree and feel that we are indeed in very trying and difficult times, , quite possibly on the slippery slope of Armageddon it's self. So some think. Yet it is true that most in the world today think we are on the brink of destruction so to speak.
Personally? Me? Yeppers I do think the poop is gonna hit the fan any day now. , , , , and I have been watching it get nearer and nearer the fan for a few decades.
Gold to Deum for the cold night, , , , LOL
(I think the circuit breaker blew on the heater again sweety, , , , , , , ,)