This article is from Intellihub and I didn't realize how much more widespread the problems was with regards to wildlife. Since we have a number of our folks on the West Coast to include Canada and also Alaska in the Northwest, I thought I would start a thread just for these areas and the possible issues that are arising from Fukushima.
http://intellihub.com/2013/12/30/is-fukushima-decimating-wildlife-in-the-western-portion-of-north-america/
"Radiation? Seals, Sea Lions, Polar Bears, Bald Eagles, Sea Stars, Turtles, King and Sockeye Salmon, Herring, Anchovies and Sardines In The Western Part of North America All Suffering Mysterious Diseases At the Same Time" from Intellihub...
Bald Eagles have been the latest species added to the list. Is it radiation or some other malady? I am not an expert in this field but it sure makes a person wonder. Is it radiation in the air? Is it radiation through the food chain for the wildlife? The timing sure is suspicious.
Or perhaps something else?
https://www.seafoodsource.com/en/news/supply-trade/25101-china-bans-us-west-coast-shellfish-imports
China has closed its doors to all imports of West coast shellfish. Chinese officials tested samples of geoduck clams and found elevated levels of arsenic and a toxin that causes Paralytic Shellfish Poisoning. But this is only shellfish....
Global Research
Fukushima Radiation: Japan Irradiates the West Coast of North America
http://www.globalresearch.ca/fukushima-radiation-japan-irradiates-the-west-coast-of-north-america/5305310
Fukushima: Diseased Seals in Alaska tested for Radiation
http://www.globalresearch.ca/fukushima-diseased-seals-in-alaska-tested-for-radiation/28392
Fukushima: Radioactivity Flowing into the Ocean will Shift towards West Coast of North America, Unpredictable Consequences
http://www.globalresearch.ca/fukushima-radioactivity-flowing-into-the-ocean-will-shift-towards-west-coast-of-north-america-unpredictable-consequences/5362535
Could the problem be right off the coast of San Francisco? A nuclear waste dump site in the ocean....
http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/3094
http://telesle.net/blog/2006/02/10/radioactive-waste-and-the-coast-of-san-francisco/
http://socket.kongshem.com/2007/10/farallon-islands-nuclear-waste-dump.html
http://sfbayview.com/tag/farallon-islands-nuclear-waste-dump/
http://www.tampabay.com/news/military/effects-of-dumping-radioactive-waste-in-ocean-need-more-study-scientists/2157923
Quote from: spacemaverick on January 03, 2014, 10:29:35 PM
Bald Eagles have been the latest species added to the list. Is it radiation or some other malady? I am not an expert in this field but it sure makes a person wonder. Is it radiation in the air? Is it radiation through the food chain for the wildlife? The timing sure is suspicious.
Or perhaps something else?
The symptoms make me think of something else, as I don't think slow radiation poisoning would have those results, this looks more like chemical poisoning or something like it, but I am even less of a specialist in this than in other subjects. :)
There may be different causes each type of species, but the curious thing that has my mind going is that all this happening almost like the dominoe theory. That's why I used the word "possible" Fukushima issue. I wish I had more education in this area.
Looks like Seals, Sea Lions, Polar Bears, Bald Eagles, Sea Stars, Turtles, King Crab, Sockeye Salmon, Herring, Anchovies and Sardines will have to be added to the banned in China list. I'll talk to the boss. 8)
I would think it is a food chain thingy. That is what got to the Eagles the last time with DDT. It takes awhile to build up but once it reaches the tipping point they all die.
I am waiting to see if all the Pacific whales start dieing off. They eat the smallest of creatures, the ones that get infected first by anything.
Deuem
ps. I wouldn't put it past anyone to also use FUKU as a back ground story to dump their own crap out there and blame it on Fuku. We do live in a sick world.
Quote from: deuem on January 04, 2014, 01:35:10 AM
ps. I wouldn't put it past anyone to also use FUKU as a back ground story to dump their own crap out there and blame it on Fuku. We do live in a sick world.
I think that's more likely, as this type of symptoms look more like chemical poisoning than radiation effects, and, as far as I know, the amount of chemicals released by Fukushima is not the problem.
I'm inclined to agree with the food chain issue where a build up of certain substances might be an issue, but the issue of all these different species be affected still makes me suspicious. Coincidence per chance? I don't know. There is also the added observation of sea creatures that normally stay further out and deeper in the ocean showing up more often along the shores on the West Coast. Things that make you go hmmmmm.
Quote from: spacemaverick on January 04, 2014, 03:30:12 PM
I'm inclined to agree with the food chain issue where a build up of certain substances might be an issue, but the issue of all these different species be affected still makes me suspicious. Coincidence per chance?
I believe in coincidences, but I don't think that's the case, as those species share the (or are part of each other's) food chain.
If I'm not mistaken, one of the things that pass through all the food chain is heavy metals like mercury, but those do not give those symptoms.
Quote from: ArMaP on January 04, 2014, 03:37:43 PM
I believe in coincidences, but I don't think that's the case, as those species share the (or are part of each other's) food chain.
If I'm not mistaken, one of the things that pass through all the food chain is heavy metals like mercury, but those do not give those symptoms.
I can agree with that. It is a shame for what we have allowed in our environment. I didn't use to care but became for aware to a large extent when Fukushima took place. Sad it took me that long to realize the problems we are facing.
Look out West Coast...here comes another wave of radiation fallout?
http://www.turnerradionetwork.com/news/146-mjt
From the Turner Network Radio site:
NEWS FLASH - URGENT - December 28, 2013 11:00 PM EST -- (TRN http://www.TurnerRadioNetwork.com ) -- Persons residing on the west coast of North America should IMMEDIATELY begin preparing for another possible onslaught of dangerous atmospheric radiation from the Fukushima nuclear disaster site in Japan. The Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) says radioactive steam has suddenly begun emanating from previously exploded nuclear reactor building #3 at the Fukuishima disaster site in Japan. TEPCO says they do not know why this is happening and cannot go into the building to see what's happening due to damage and lethal radiation levels in that building. Experts say this could be the beginning of a "spent fuel pool criticality (meltdown)" involving up to 89 TONS of nuclear fuel burning up into the atmosphere and heading to North America. Steam photo, full details and suggested methods to protect yourself appear below.
Another criticality?
To provide insight into how much trouble this could be, the chart below proves that, according to TEPCO, reactor #3 was loaded with 566 fuel assemblies. The spent fuel pool in reactor building #3 contains 514 assemblies; about 89 TONS. If that "goes critical" there's nothing to contain the radiation which will go directly into the air.
This information was put out on 12-28-13 and it is now 1-4-2014...I think we need to watch the West Coast closely right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxiQwGYDO-w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=CxiQwGYDO-w
This is a link to civilian monitoring stations and in some areas on the West Coast the levels are above the 100 CPM (Counts Per Minute) alert level. Thought you might be interested. I don't trust the EPA monitoring system.
http://www.netc.com/
It has 5 levels of alert and some areas out West has Level 3 and 4. Level 3 is elevated level...level 4 is concern level...level 5 is the highest level. Just realize that in some cases there may be a local issue causing the elevated reading. Back ground radiation from what I have been told usually can run up to around 60 CPM.
Active alerts at this posting
http://www.netc.com/activealerts.php
1:16C25071.14 near Newport News, VA, US 131 2014-01-04 20:23:43 U
5:812 near Grand Junction, CO, US 617 2014-01-04 05:38:00 G
4:936 near Anaheim, CA, US 218 2014-01-04 14:08:00 G
5:936 near Anaheim, CA, US 344 2014-01-04 14:08:00 G
4:955 near Eureka, CA, US 143 2014-01-04 10:31:00 U
5:955 near Eureka, CA, US 229 2014-01-04 10:31:00 U
1:AU.GROVEDALEVICTORIA near Geelong, AU 194 2014-01-04 20:22:55 I
These are level 4 Radcon alerts
Underlined numbers are CPM.
Read the comments on the site and in their forum and realize that this is a monitoring site and also realize that the higher in elevation you go the readings will go up. The monitoring may be near some geological area where background radiation is higher to geological formations.
That list you have of the 7 high spots needs to list what their standards are. I just left a 30 back ground every day. numbers in the hundreds are not normal for anyone. D
NORM - Natural Occurring Radioactive Material - This word is the answer to any question about radiation. If asked about radiation snow, its the NORM. If asked about cancer effects, its the NORM. If asked about oil drilling levels, its the NORM. The NORM was created to explain the radiation in the area where you live.
There are many questions about radiation and the causes / effects of exposure to radiation, but the one that is most often asked "What is the NORM level?" The EPAs answer is "Health physicists generally agree on limiting a person's exposure beyond background radiation to about 100 mrem per year from all sources. Exceptions are occupational, medical or accidental exposures. (Medical X-rays generally deliver less than 10 mrem). EPA and other regulatory agencies generally limit exposures from specific source to the public to levels well under 100 mrem. This is far below the exposure levels that cause acute health effects. The millirem (mrem) is a very small measurement of radiation.
In Olympia, WA the average NORM radiation is 50 mrem and 100 mrem exposure from all other sources would set the level of concern/watch level at 150 mrem. Nuclear Emergency Tracking Center will alert you when the radiation exceeds the EPA's standards. Please be careful and do not panic. Just be aware of the concern/watch levels in your area.
In Tucson, AZ, the average NORM radiation is about 118 mrem, add 100 mrem exposure from all other sources, the concern/watch level equals 218 mrem.
This was taken from the same site. I will have to do some digging Duem for I don't know the standard for various areas but I am sure I can find them. The concern watch level equals 218 mrem. I will dig further to see what I can find.
Here is a site that you can calculate you dosage:
http://www.epa.gov/radiation/understand/calculate.html
The amount of radiation exposure is usually expressed in a unit called millirem (mrem). In the United States, the average person is exposed to an effective dose equivalent of approximately 620 mrem (whole-body exposure) per year from all sources (NCRP Report No.160).
The dose calculator is based on the American Nuclear Society's brochure, "Personal Radiation Dose Chart". The primary sources of information we relied on are the National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements Reports #92-#95, and #100. Please remember that the values used in the calculator are general averages and do not provide precise individual dose calculations.
My reading for this past year was 382.319 mrems just from my dosage calculation for my specific area where I live. This is by no means exact but generalized. Florida is low in natural occurring radiation. My home has smoke detectors, no granite but is made of concrete block and so on. This is part of the dosage chart calculation. The Midwest has a lot more natural background as well as those at a high altitude. The higher up you go the more exposure to cosmic radiation and the lower you go the higher terrestrial radiation.
I got 452.211. No wonder I am starting to glow and Fuku is going the other way. Pretty soon I won't need lights in the house. 8)
Since most of this is natureal, I wonder what would happen to us if we were without it 100%. Would we get sick or better? We must need some of it or maybe we can deal with some of it.
Deuem
Quote from: deuem on January 05, 2014, 03:57:02 AM
I got 452.211. No wonder I am starting to glow and Fuku is going the other way. Pretty soon I won't need lights in the house. 8) Deuem
Just call us the rad guys ;D ;D
Is radiation hurting the sea life on the West Coast. This guy says NO.
Is the sea floor littered with dead animals due to radiation? No.
Posted on January 4, 2014 by Dr. M Deep Sea News
"The Pacific Ocean appears to be dying, according to a new study recently published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Scientists from the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute (MBARI) in California recently discovered that the number of dead sea creatures blanketing the floor of the Pacific is higher than it has ever been in the 24 years that monitoring has taken place, a phenomenon that the data suggests is a direct consequence of nuclear fallout from Fukushima."
"The reason I am unfamiliar with a study providing evidence of "Dead sea creatures cover 98 percent of ocean floor off California coast; up from 1 percent before Fukushima" is because no such study exists. Here are the details of the actual study." Dr. M
See entire article:
http://deepseanews.com/2014/01/is-the-sea-floor-littered-with-dead-animals-due-to-radiation-no/
In the interest of presenting both sides I found this article.
Aj devoted half his show to fuku and plans to make it a main subject now that the debris has landed.
My worry is these radiation readings will continue to rise as the years go by due to no stoppage of the fuku water.as the conveyor of radioactive sea water continues to expose the beach.the radiation readings should continue to rise.i dont know the half life of silica but i bet it aint good.
170 years for silica.thats along time to stay off the beach.
It's hard to determine who is right. One of the things I have found is that you can find an expert for any side of a situation. However, radiation readings don't lie. Radiation in any form is destructive in some way no matter if its small or big. The destruction can be small which is not seen or large where you can see.
Another factor is human tolereance
In the case of Chernobyl there are some Russians that were there day one and they go back in repeatedly to monitor levels. I had that in the doco I posted. They don't even wear radiation suits and just a thing breathing mask
That is why the danger is brushed off by most. It is LONG TERM to see any effects
Don't forget that the ground out here in Nevada near the test site is saturated with Plutonium from over 900 tests. Its only a few miles from Vegas
Back in Canada in the Bancroft region there are many deformities a very high rate per capita. That is because the whole area is laced with radioactive outcrops and small bits are in most of the granite pegmatites.
But even so, life goes on and not all babies are deformed.
So in a way it may be natural selection. And the radiactivity in that region is NATURAL from the very elements we make our nuclear fuel out of
There was one spring on a uranium prospect... nice clear cold water. I saw rock hounds :o drinking from it :o Mentioned to a few that "You DO realize that this spring is on a uranium property right?"
LOL the gov has since capped it and put up warning signs
I have several boxes of very hot specimens in the garage
Wanna buy some?
Thank you Zorgon for the input. Different areas have different reading due to their geological make up. Human tolerance was something I failed to mention and I had not considered. In the end I guess through human nature we all decide what and how much we are going to tolerate. We may choose to take everything that is handed to us or choose to resist. Gold to you for this very important aspect.
Should I Take Radiation Protection Pills? From Fairewinds
Every day Fairewinds Energy Education receives many questions. The big question in the New Year is: "Should I take a 'radiation pill' to combat the radiation being given off by the triple meltdown at Fukushima Daiichi?"
First, lets start by defining a radiation protection pill is and what it does. A radiation protection pill is usually called potassium iodide because it consists of potassium iodide KI which is the scientific notation for this molecule consisting of the elements potassium (K) and iodine (I). Unfortunately, potassium iodide only protects against one type of radiation, radioactive iodine. It does not protect against the hundreds of other radioactive isotopes released in nuclear meltdowns.
http://fairewinds.org/demystifying/take-radiation-protection-pills
Professor's Diary: Fukushima radioactive material "has reached the west coast as of June 2013 by ocean transport" — Health risks to be determined by ongoing monitoring
An article from enews on Professor Jay Cullen from University of Victoria. He is a professor of marine chemistry. January 4 2014.
Fukushima derived Cs has reached the west coast as of June 2013 by ocean transport but [the] concentrations of Cs continue to be well below levels thought to pose environmental or public health threats. There have been a number of popular press articles that [...] report the timing of the arrival of the radionuclides but offer no perspective on the actual levels and the associated risk to residents of the west coast (e.g. link). [...] About 93% of radioactivity in seawater results from the presence of primordial, naturally occurring potassium-40 (K-40) and rubidium-87 (Rb-87). The remaining 7% are radioactive elements deposited to the ocean from past atmospheric nuclear testing. [...] Fukushima derived Cs was detected all the way to the coast in June 2013 with the highest levels of Cs-137 farthest offshore (0.0009 Bq/L or roughly 0.006% of background radiation) and lower levels of 0.0003 Bq/L toward the coast [...] Ongoing monitoring will constrain the likely environmental and health risks posed by ocean transport of Fukushima derived radionuclides.
Note the professor changed the units to Bq/L for Cs-134 and -137, instead of using Bq/m3 as in the source document (pdf). The above amounts must be multiplied by 1,000 to get Bq/m3.
In addition, the figures provided by the professor appear to be inaccurate:
According to the source document, it's Cs-134, not Cs-137, that measured 0.9 Bq/m3 (or 0.0009 Bq/L if you modify the units like the professor).
The professor writes that in June 2013 there were "lower levels of 0.0003 Bq/L toward the coast" — This amount is not in the measurements for 2013, the only mention of it was in 2012: "Levels of 137Cs equal to 0.3 Bq/m3 measured at Sta. P26 in 2012."
Last month in a Vancouver-area newspaper Prof. Cullen wrote: "the natural level of radioactivity on average in the oceans is about 13 Bq/L, against which radioactivity resulting from human activities and disasters should always be discussed." What is the basis of this claim that "natural radioactivity levels should always be discussed" when "radioactivity resulting from human activities" is mentioned?
"In the ocean (and human body) different radionuclides have different fate and toxicity," according to Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution's senior scientist Ken Buesseler (who mentions his ability to be quoted in media reports downplaying Fukushima-related data).
Also be aware that fish can bio-concentrate cesium-137 at a rate of 100 times the level found in the surrounding water. For seals and sea lions it's up to 1,000 times. (Source: IAEA)
This article copied in its' entirety from enews.
http://enenews.com/professor-fukushima-radioactive-material-reached-the-west-coast-as-of-june-2013-by-ocean-transport-health-risks-to-be-determined-by-ongoing-monitoring
I can only say this at this point. No matter what the level of radiation, it is destructive. We can do nothing about natural radiation. We can do nothing against cosmic radiation. We as a society can pressure the nuclear industry to crack down on maintaining the nuclear plants now operating. The genie was let out of the bottle in the early years of the atom and it will be hard trying to stuff the genie back in the bottle. The plants are already built and we need to bring pressure to bear on those who regulate the plants. This will only happen if we ban together. The largest influence are people themselves. Zorgon himself brought up the fact of "human tolerance." How much will human beings tolerate? How much will human beings care? Will human beings just sit and write about the problems and not get involved? Our fate is in our hands. What will we do as a species?
California Official: Information on risk from Fukushima needs to be made public — State in contact with NRC — CBS: 'Health Scare Over Possible Fukushima Radiation In Pacific-Caught Fish'
http://enenews.com/california-official-information-on-risk-from-fukushima-needs-to-be-made-public-state-in-contact-with-nrc-cbs-health-scare-over-possible-fukushima-radiation-in-pacific-caught-fish-surfer
Taken from enews site
http://enenews.com/california-official-information-on-risk-from-fukushima-needs-to-be-made-public-state-in-contact-with-nrc-cbs-health-scare-over-possible-fukushima-radiation-in-pacific-caught-fish-surfer
This is what he said on his site:
http://www.asmdc.org/members/a25/press/wieckowski-urges-state-to-post-information-on-fukushima-disaster-s-risk-to-california-beaches
Wieckowski Urges State To Post Information On Fukushima Disaster's Risk To California Beaches
SACRAMENTO - Saying that Californians are concerned and seeking information about potential health risks caused by contaminated water coming to the state from the Fukushima nuclear power plant disaster, Assemblymember Bob Wieckowski (D-Fremont) is urging the state's Department of Public Health to post updated information on the issue to its homepage.
"With newspaper reports, on-line videos and a number of stories about the possible radiation dangers to our beaches, residents are concerned and seeking information from a source they can trust," Wieckowski said. "I think a lot of people's questions can be answered if the department would conduct a study or post the results of other studies and monitoring that are already completed to its homepage. The difficulty of finding accurate, current information about the science and the level of risk involved has exacerbated confusion and worry among some in the public."
Wieckowski said the federal government has suggested Fukushima's problems pose no risks to California's coastal and estuarine lands. However, online speculation about contaminated water traveling to California, and higher than normal radioactivity levels on a California beach have increased the public's concerns.
"Tourism, fishing, agriculture and outdoor recreation are among our most important assets," Wieckowski said. "Millions of Californians live in communities that are directly impacted by contamination in the ocean. That's why I think it's important for the state Department of Public Health to put what information it has in layman's terms onto its homepage so the public can see it and understand what, if any, risks or concerns are out there."
Wieckowski represents the 25th Assembly District, which includes San Jose, Santa Clara, Milpitas, Fremont and Newark.
Below from a different source;
KSBW, Jan. 10, 2014: Zero threat of Fukushima radiation at California beaches, health officials say [...] there is also no risk of Fukushima radiation hitting the Monterey Bay. John Hodges, Santa Cruz County's environmental health director, said, "We have no indication of anything that would be unusual here on our beaches." Santa Cruz surfer Danilo TJ Magallanes disagrees, and said he would never go surfing right now.
Half Moon Bay, CA Patch, Jan. 9, 2014: Dean Peterson, Director for Environmental Health Services for San Mateo County [...] forwarded the issue to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and [the California] Department of Public Health to further analyze the radioactivity. "Because the level was higher, it is protocol for us to contact state and federal agencies for further investigation," he said. CDHP has collected and will be analyzing sand samples from Half Moon Bay. [...] The agency has been in contact with the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) and they are monitoring the situation with the nuclear reactors in Japan, said [spokeswoman Wendy Hopkins].
Awareness of the situation is now hitting local officials a little bit at a time on the West Coast. I would say bring pressure to bear on your local officials in the city, county and state so they will bring pressure to bear nationally.
Here is the 'old news.'
Fukushima Tsunami Meltdown Debris Field ETA America Summer 2012? (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1376.0)
Quote from: thorfourwinds on January 11, 2014, 09:01:16 PM
Here is the 'old news.'
Fukushima Tsunami Meltdown Debris Field ETA America Summer 2012? (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1376.0)
Radiation, particles and debris. What a mess! I had forgotten about the debris. Too bad they don't have an ocean going scoop ship to pick up the smaller debris. I'm sure someone already has something like that. Just have to look!
19-Year-Old Develops Ocean Cleanup Array That Could Remove 7,250,000 Tons Of Plastic From the World's Oceans(http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2013/03/Ocean-Cleanup-Array-Boyan-Slat-537x405.jpg)
Quote19-year-old Boyan Slat has unveiled plans to create an Ocean Cleanup Array that could remove 7,250,000 tons of plastic waste from the world's oceans. The device consists of an anchored network of floating booms and processing platforms that could be dispatched to garbage patches around the world. Instead of moving through the ocean, the array would span the radius of a garbage patch, acting as a giant funnel. The angle of the booms would force plastic in the direction of the platforms, where it would be separated from plankton, filtered and stored for recycling.
(http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2013/03/Plastic-boons-537x302.jpg)
http://inhabitat.com/19-year-old-student-develops-ocean-cleanup-array-that-could-remove-7250000-tons-of-plastic-from-the-worlds-oceans/
Thanks Zorgon. I could not remember where I had seen this. A novel idea indeed. I had also found that the Army Corps of Engineers has a program where they can clean up almost any size debris field and even take care of sunken vessels that hinder navigation. So I suspect they indeed have heavy lift capability.
US ARMY
(http://usarmy.vo.llnwd.net/e2/c/images/2013/04/18/291232/size0.jpg)
Debris from the Japanese tsunami was found by the STS Pallada in September.
(https://civilbeat_production.s3.amazonaws.com/media_files/photos/13458-7559b8ed42f0154774e0a860fba3a480feb25506c0ff6edf7ebc5c3b_w%3A1024_px.jpg)
Anyone need a New Home? Just recently washed :P
(https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/s720x720/1601007_246729512170266_2098632212_n.jpg)
This file photo provided by the U.S. Navy, shows a Japanese home adrift in the Pacific Ocean, March 13, 2011. (AP / U.S. Navy, Dylan McCord)
Quote from: zorgon on January 12, 2014, 02:33:29 AM
Anyone need a New Home? Just recently washed :P
(https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q71/s720x720/1601007_246729512170266_2098632212_n.jpg)
This file photo provided by the U.S. Navy, shows a Japanese home adrift in the Pacific Ocean, March 13, 2011. (AP / U.S. Navy, Dylan McCord)
Water front property or better yet...ocean view.
Yachtsman says the Pacific is broken. This is indeed an eyewitness story.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/1848433/the-ocean-is-broken/
IT was the silence that made this voyage different from all of those before it.
Not the absence of sound, exactly.
The wind still whipped the sails and whistled in the rigging. The waves still sloshed against the fibreglass hull.
And there were plenty of other noises: muffled thuds and bumps and scrapes as the boat knocked against pieces of debris.
What was missing was the cries of the seabirds which, on all previous similar voyages, had surrounded the boat.
The birds were missing because the fish were missing.
Exactly 10 years before, when Newcastle yachtsman Ivan Macfadyen had sailed exactly the same course from Melbourne to Osaka, all he'd had to do to catch a fish from the ocean between Brisbane and Japan was throw out a baited line.
"There was not one of the 28 days on that portion of the trip when we didn't catch a good-sized fish to cook up and eat with some rice," Macfadyen recalled.
But this time, on that whole long leg of sea journey, the total catch was two.
No fish. No birds. Hardly a sign of life at all.
See more of this article from the New Castle Herald at the above link.
THIS IS FROM AN EYEWITNESS TO THE DEBRIS FROM AUSTRALIA TO OSAKA.
It appears the California school system has announced testing for Fukushima radiation.
California schools announce Fukushima testing: Imperative we monitor for any Fukushima contamination "that will be arriving this year" in ocean — LA Times claims levels are declining, fails to inform readers of radioactive plume crossing Pacific
http://enenews.com/california-professor-imperative-we-monitor-for-any-radioactive-contaminants-that-will-be-arriving-this-year-in-ocean-from-fukushima-l-a-times-claims-levels-are-declining-fails-to-inform
This link will hook you up with several reports about the monitoring of kelp and other things. People are becoming more aware of what is going on. Why is the mainstream media continuing to back off?
This thread is about the West Coast but look at the West Coast here at the end of this video not to mention other areas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY
Or the accidents where nuclear was involved:
U.S. Nuclear Accidents
http://www.lutins.org/nukes.html
• Criticality Accidents (Trinity Atomic Web Site): http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/atomic/accident/critical.html
• Government Accountability Project's Nuclear Oversight page: http://www.whistleblower.org/program-areas/environment/nuclear-oversight
• Nuclear Information and Resource Service: http://www.nirs.org
• Wikipedia articles:
o List of civilian nuclear accidents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_civilian_nuclear_accidents
o List of civilian radiation accidents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_civilian_radiation_accidents
o List of military nuclear accidents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_nuclear_accidents
o List of nuclear and radiation fatalities by country: United States: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_and_radiation_fatalities_by_country#United_States
o List of nuclear power accidents by country: USA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_accidents_by_country
o Lists of nuclear disasters and radioactive incidents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_nuclear_disasters_and_radioactive_incidents
o Nuclear and radiation accidents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_accidents
o Nuclear reactor accidents in the United States: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_reactor_accidents_in_the_United_States
There may be more but the gentleman that compiled this can't be totally positive about the number. There may be more we do not know about.
Power plants only 1961 to 2012
http://www.lutins.org/nukes.html#power
Quote from: spacemaverick on January 14, 2014, 05:54:46 AMWhy is the mainstream media continuing to back off?
Simple...
1) We cannot stop it
2) We cannot move to escape it
3) We cannot stop it from getting into food and water supply
4) We cannot stop it :P
So why scare people?
Oh and did I mention... we cannot stop it?
::)
I agree totally.
I am sure this is the only thing that the MSM is withholding from us though. ;D
That is the Issue: We cannot stop it... At Chernobyl the reaction mass mixed with the sand around the reactor vessel and formed Corium as it is called, but now it appears to be in the process of destabilizing...
unless someone develops a way to separate the mass into small enough pieces to not sustain critical mass it is what it is...
seeker
You all of course are right. We cannot stop all this but we can keep people informed. Along with keeping people informed we could convey information about how people can fight this. One thing I have been told by friends where I live is to don't worry about it because we all are going to die eventually. Not trying to become negative but sometimes you wonder if you should keep putting out the information.
I wonder if we have anyone here in the forum that lives in California that owns or has access to a geiger counter? Perhaps obtain some readings from beach areas.
Biblical scholars help me out here, but the Russian meaning of the word Chernobyl is Wormwood.
Is this prophecy coming true? Rather than a death star that everyone is looking for....is it really poisoning from radiation that is the third trumpet?
Although the word wormwood appears several times in the Old Testament, translated from the Hebrew term ???? (la'anah) (which means "curse" in Arabic and Hebrew), its only clear reference as a named entity occurs in the New Testament, in the book of Revelation: "The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter." (Rev 8:10–11)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormwood_(Bible)
Try www.radiationnetwork.com
rbicon
Here we go:
Looks like someone has taken a clue that the
Governments are not interested in tracking the problem,
and has decided to form a citizen science project
to track the radiation.
QuoteNow, a scientist at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) in Massachusetts is launching a new citizen science project to measure levels of radioactive cesium in water washing up along the West Coast.
http://www.livescience.com/42630-fukushima-ocean-radioactivity-to-be-tracked.html
Quote from: burntheships on January 17, 2014, 10:23:07 PM
Here we go:
Looks like someone has taken a clue that the
Governments are not interested in tracking the problem,
and has decided to form a citizen science project
to track the radiation.
http://www.livescience.com/42630-fukushima-ocean-radioactivity-to-be-tracked.html
This is a good thing that someone will step outside government operations at least to monitor the seawater at various points and to test it. A shame we cannot trust the EPA to do so. This type of testing is not cheap so they will definitely need the money to do this. This is a good thing I believe.
Quote from: spacemaverick on January 17, 2014, 10:33:14 PM
A shame we cannot trust the EPA to do so.
Agreed.
I wonder to what extent they will be testing the
public school areas, I read that earlier if I recall?
Here too, the Military ships that were in Fukushima
area have crews that have fallen terribly ill; they plan
to file suit soon.
American rescue personnel believe health problems caused by sailing through radioactive plume. Quote"Next thing we know we've got this nasty, metallic taste in our mouth." She says the crew were ordered below. She believes they "had just got slammed by a radioactive plume".
This metallic taste evokes testimony from people who lived downwind of the Three Mile Island nuclear reactor meltdown in 1979 and by airmen on board the US plane that dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima in 1945. Cooper believes they passed through other radioactive plumes and describes sailors vomiting and losing bowel control as skin rashes appeared.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11188390
Sad indeed; Tepco knew right away, they should have been
truthful to the world. There were a few honest voices out
there in the beginning who tried to sound the alarm,
however with the MSM media complicit in the cover up
they kicked the can down the road.
Quote from: the seeker on January 17, 2014, 02:05:51 PM
unless someone develops a way to separate the mass into small enough pieces to not sustain critical mass it is what it is...
With a bomb? ;D
Quote from: spacemaverick on January 17, 2014, 03:30:53 PM
I wonder if we have anyone here in the forum that lives in California that owns or has access to a geiger counter? Perhaps obtain some readings from beach areas.
I was planning to buy one for minerals just before Fuku... was $98.00 for a professional one Now that save one is $598.00
AARGGGGGGG
Quote from: the seeker on January 17, 2014, 02:05:51 PM
We cannot stop it... At Chernobyl the reaction mass mixed with the sand around the reactor vessel and formed Corium as it is called, but now it appears to be in the process of destabilizing...
The sarchopagus they built over Chernobyl was meant to be temporary to last 25 years. It has been up 50 years and is crumbling. They are currently building a new one to cover the whole thing
Yes the Corium will soon change state again and once more generate heat enough that may even cause fission. Don't forget that the Earths core is kept molten by radiation decay
Chernobyl will be 'HOT' for about 100,000 years. The Plutonium at the Nevada Test Center has a half life of about 25,000 years
They are building the new cover away from the plant and then roll the sections into place
(http://ebrd-stories.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Chernobyl_Screenshot_020-727x450.jpg)
(http://static1.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/a_scale_large/1900-9/photos/1366753781-ukraine-will-comemmorate-chernobyl-anniversary_1988209.jpg)
Quote from: spacemaverick on January 17, 2014, 02:28:48 PM
don't worry about it because we all are going to die eventually.
Or mutate like the X-men :P
Quote from: zorgon on January 18, 2014, 02:36:11 AM
I was planning to buy one for minerals just before Fuku... was $98.00 for a professional one Now that save one is $598.00
AARGGGGGGG
I'm saving up for one just to monitor on the East coast.
Starfish mass die off
Farce Page says::: OMFG!!! FUKUSHIMA did it :o
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/08/article-1234177-07849C36000005DC-103_964x714.jpg)
Daily Mail says : Dec 2009 Norfolk Beach Storm did it!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1234177/Thousands-starfish-carpet-Norfolk-beach-storm-throws-sea.html
::)
Yah only need it now and then, , , , RENT IT ! ! :)
Quote from: spacemaverick on January 18, 2014, 02:55:08 AM
I'm saving up for one just to monitor on the East coast.
AMAZON HAS THEM :D (http://<a%20target="_blank"%20href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=as_li_qf_sp_sr_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&index=aps&keywords=geiger%20counter&linkCode=ur2&tag=pegasreseacon-20">geiger%20counter</a><img%20src="https://ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/ir?t=pegasreseacon-20&l=ur2&o=1"%20width="1"%20height="1"%20border="0"%20alt=""%20style="border:none%20!important;%20margin:0px%20!important;"%20/>)This is the one I want Gamma Scout
(http://www.gammascout.com/_include/images/showcase/cycle/showcase1.jpg)
http://www.gamma-scout.com/EN/Produkte-Preise.php
GQ GMC-320 Geiger Counter Nuclear Radiation Detector Data Recorder Beta Gamma Ray Detection
Doesn't measure alpha but comes rated pretty good. I don't have the money for anything expensive. Unless I win the lottery here in Florida ;) ;)
I am not understanding why they don't build concrete structures over the area of Fukushima. It does not seem like they know what they are doing. I know it would take a lot of concrete and even cause shortages but it's better than just letting it continue. We can't reverse what is done but need to contain it.
The human species obviously has NO control over the situation at all.... :(
Need to go back to the "Processing System" all is produced by and presented in,
as our individual experiences.
Time to learn !
A little editing of the program is required. 8)
The most profitable action humans can take is to study this "Processing System", so they can edit
this "Environmental Program" .... :o
Any other approach has failed before one even starts.... :( History proves this.
Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on January 18, 2014, 04:12:12 AM
A little editing of the program is required. 8)
(http://www.clker.com/cliparts/m/k/G/y/H/B/red-delete-button-md.png)
LOL....
Now that's ONE option...
But personally, I rather enjoy "Experiencing" this Oldie Primate.... In spite of its suffering...
Just think IF you delete the Program NO Woman or Drinkies for "Z" :'(
OR Me....
Besides you are a KING.....
NOT so Practical to "DELETE" it....
We have that "Round Table" to Explore all possibilities... :)
Quote from: spacemaverick on January 18, 2014, 03:56:03 AM
I am not understanding why they don't build concrete structures over the area of Fukushima
becaues the ground beneath is fractured
QuoteIt does not seem like they know what they are doing.
yeah and that :P
Here is a steel wall they say they are building to stop the leaking tanks from going out to sea... but when the tanks are full they just release them anyway The morons
(http://www.japanfocus.org/data/4dewitfuku2.jpg)
"The man in charge of the clean-up at Japan's Fukushima nuclear plant says growing stores of contaminated water from the site will eventually have to be dumped into the sea.
In an exclusive interview with the ABC, the chairman of the Fukushima Monitoring Committee, Dale Klein, has also admitted there are likely to be more blunders and slip-ups at the plant in the months and years to come."
But a few months ago the sea was boiling...
(http://watchmen-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Fukushima-water-boiling-610x400.jpg)
This is where the Corium is now
(http://www.economic-undertow.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Reactor-fast-neutrons-13.jpg)
http://www.economic-undertow.com/category/fukushima/
When the Corium hit the ground water below that cause the sea water to boil as they are connected
QuoteWe can't reverse what is done but need to contain it.
Can't... the ground is to unstable and fracked beneath and has direct access to the sea.
Sadly no matter what we add to both the atmosphere or the land it ends up in the sea eventually....
This why, no matter what we do, (other than finding out more about the Processing System) is futile. :(
We were/are meant to learn this lesson, but perhaps the species doesn't want to learn
and puts $$$$$ 1st before anything else ?
Its NOT the $$$$$$ which is the problem, but those who introduced the $$$$$$$
and the use of $$$$$$$ ....
You would think after thousands of years, we being intelligent would have learnt this Lesson ?
Apparently we still haven't ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGFqFVz37_4
From Andrew Ebisu an activist
All my documentaries are posted on YouTube for free to anyone to see and remixable versions are posted also. If you cannot purchase or donate, please share and remix and burn your own copies to spread the truth. Thanks so much for your patience with this documentary.
The Battle of Fukushima [On Fukushima Beach]
This is good in my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QGFqFVz37_4
It looks like we have some updated information from enews
http://enenews.com/newspaper-ignores-scientific-models-show-fukushima-radiation-impacting-west-coast-fails-inform-readers-reporting-only-discredited-tsunami-wave-height-map-illness-mind-people-lie-about-threat-map
"Newspaper ignores scientific models that show Fukushima radiation impacting West Coast — Fails to inform readers by only reporting on discredited tsunami wave-height map — "What illness of the mind must people have to lie about the threat?" (ACTUAL FORECAST MODELS)"
"The Province, Jan. 23, 2014: Without actual things to worry about, too many people these days are making up or exaggerating risks. Our recent story on the Fukushima Disaster is a good example. That was a terrible event, but what illness of the mind must people have to lie about the threat to B.C., even going so far as the misrepresent a wave-height map of the Pacific to pretend it shows that dangerous radiation is flowing to our shores?"
It looks like one map model has been misrepresented. They also add other models to the story on this link and makes you wonder what else is misrepresented.
Yes, some people posted that map as if it was a radiation map. ;D
Well, just found out some information and we were not told about it when it happened. Nice, really nice. Right here in my own back yard.
Fukushima Radiation Fallout In Florida and the Indian River Lagoon Superbloom of 2011
Following the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant disaster on March 11, 2011, radioactive fission product material began to spread across the globe. As seen in this time lapse video map of Fukushima radiation distribution across the world, Florida had the meteorological bad luck of being under a concentrated atmospheric radioactive "swirl" from the second half of March through April 2011.
As a result, Melbourne, Florida in Brevard County recorded the highest single day concentration of Iodine-131 of anywhere in the world, according to measurements taken by the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organization. Xenon and Cesium were also detected in Melbourne. Additionally, Cesium-134, 136 and 137; Iodine-131 and 132; and Tellurium-129m and 132 were detected by air filters in nearby Orlando, Florida. North of the Indian River Lagoon, Cesium-134 and Iodine-131 were detected in rainfall in Jacksonville, Florida.
While the radioactive material was overhead and falling onto Florida, severe weather with strong winds, waterspouts, hail, and heavy rainfall fell over east Central Florida during the last few days of March.
For the rest of the story, see link below.
http://news.brevardtimes.com/2014/02/fukushima-radiation-and-americas.html?spref=fb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohPgE9oDg9c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ohPgE9oDg9c
I LIVE IN MELBOURNE FLORIDA
That's as close to home as it gets. Where do you get away from this stuff? I still say they don't care about the fallout because of WWII. Retalliation is slow and getting here, why should they stop? I wonder what would have happened if the wind went west. Would China put up with it or take out Japan. It is not all of the Japanese people doing this, just a hand full letting it go on and on. They got the US by the oranges and they are going to keep it that way till, well till it stops on its own or the world stops it. I still want to know why we can't just nuke it and disinergrate everything. One big boy and we have a new port in 20 years with a glass bottom.
D
Quote from: deuem on February 08, 2014, 09:49:07 AM
That's as close to home as it gets. Where do you get away from this stuff? I still say they don't care about the fallout because of WWII. Retalliation is slow and getting here, why should they stop? I wonder what would have happened if the wind went west. Would China put up with it or take out Japan. It is not all of the Japanese people doing this, just a hand full letting it go on and on. They got the US by the oranges and they are going to keep it that way till, well till it stops on its own or the world stops it. I still want to know why we can't just nuke it and disinergrate everything. One big boy and we have a new port in 20 years with a glass bottom.
D
It's like what Zorgon says, how much will people tolerate? I see people not really care here and I think the same feeling is prevalent throughout the US. Mainstream media says nothing. I put the information out where I can so people are informed. I guess they figure they can't do anything about it. Then they go on about their business. I don't believe the Japanese know what they are doing. If we were to nuke it, we would have even more particles in the atmosphere (my opinion). I believe they need to encase it like Chernobyl.
Now TEPCO says they got their reading wrong! Can you say they have no clue on taking care of the problem? Maybe they got caught giving out the wrong readings and now trying to back peddle.
http://enenews.com/kyodo-massive-amount-of-fukushima-radiation-data-could-be-wrong-figures-cannot-be-trusted-nhk-strontium-90-in-groundwater-close-to-ocean-160000-times-limit-actual-levels-had-exceed
Kyodo: 'Massive' amount of Fukushima data wrong? "Figures can't be trusted" — NHK: Strontium-90 by ocean at 160,000 times limit — Tepco: Actual levels "exceeded the upper limit of measurement... We are very sorry"
Kyodo, Feb. 7, 2014: TEPCO to review "massive" radiation data due to improper measurement – [TEPCO] said Friday that it will review a "massive" amount of radiation data it has collected at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant because readings may be lower than actual figures due to improper measurement. "We are very sorry, but we found cases in which beta radiation readings turned out to be wrong when the radioactivity concentration of a sample was high," TEPCO spokesman Masayuki Ono told a press conference.
CAN WE TRUST ANYONE TAKING READINGS?