'The gigantic shape actually looks like the leading edge of an immense, triangular space ship, similar to, so far, super secret stealth aircraft technology, but is much larger than any airplane ever built on Earth.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/01/17/article-2541410-1ABE1FB200000578-876_634x300.jpg)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2541410/What-mystery-object-spotted-Google-Moon-Bizarre-wedge-shaped-craft-appears-lunar-surface.html?ico=ushome^editors_choice_six_of_the_best
And this is for "Langley"...told you so...always connected...
http://phys.org/news/2013-12-spooky-action-wormhole-entangled-quantum.html
(http://cdn.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/2013/spookyaction.jpg)
Cosmo
That shows two things:
1 - Never use Google Moon to do any serious investigation;
2 - The idiots from the Daily Mail do not know how to write coordinates.
Here's a screen-grab of the same crater from LROC image M115380115R (http://wms.lroc.asu.edu/lroc/view_lroc/LRO-L-LROC-2-EDR-V1.0/M115380115RE).
(http://imageshack.com/a/img841/9277/zfo8.jpg)
I remember it has been showed very well as pixelation , or some
sort of photographic default .
It was on ats, if i'm right .
Quote from: ArMaP on January 18, 2014, 08:56:04 PM
1 - Never use Google Moon to do any serious investigation;
Google maps says there's no car in my driveway, no workshop in my neighbors backyard, and a big tree across the street. I just looked, in person, right now. It doesn't get more accurate or real time. None of it is true. So none of it was *ever* true. From now on all my facts will come from a college after Nasa approves releasing it to them.
Quote from: go2toa on January 18, 2014, 10:26:57 PM
Google maps says there's no car in my driveway, no workshop in my neighbors backyard, and a big tree across the street. I just looked, in person, right now. It doesn't get more accurate or real time. None of it is true. So none of it was *ever* true. From now on all my facts will come from a college after Nasa approves releasing it to them.
What's that supposed to mean? ???
The cool stuff on the moon does not come from the archives of ASU. If you shoot down people because they're not using the archive you prefer wouldn't it defeat the original intent of the forum? If Mr. Lear had a picture of a bridge spanning a crater in 1968, and you looked up the lat/lon for it three years ago, I doubt the bridge would still be there.
Quote from: go2toa on January 19, 2014, 10:42:06 PM
The cool stuff on the moon does not come from the archives of ASU.
It doesn't come from bad versions of the original photos either, unless mixed with a large dose of imagination.
QuoteIf you shoot down people because they're not using the archive you prefer wouldn't it defeat the original intent of the forum?
I never do that, I may "shoot down" the source chosen, never the person, at least not for presenting their opinion. The original intent of the forum, as far as I understand it, is to research, and for that we should chose our sources of data, "garbage in" always results in "garbage out".
QuoteIf Mr. Lear had a picture of a bridge spanning a crater in 1968, and you looked up the lat/lon for it three years ago, I doubt the bridge would still be there.
I don't understand why the bridge wouldn't be still there, but in cases like this I never base my opinion on a photo (or more) taken many years after, as things change, even in a dead planet.
PS: I can look for the original Jaxa image that Google supposedly uses, as they have Jaxa's name on the copyright message.
If at all possible I suggest to get the best photo possible. If what your looking for is still in the hi-res photo you have a win-win. If it has disapeared then the debate will start. Is it just a glitch or was it tampered with. Either way you now have photos to compare and the case should be stronger or weaker. More research gives you more data to work with and should be done.
Deuem
Quote from: ArMaP on January 20, 2014, 12:39:56 AM
It doesn't come from bad versions of the original photos either, unless mixed with a large dose of imagination.
Aha! I knew it -- you're one of *them*! Sent by the government to suppress conspiracy theories. :)
Quote from: go2toa on January 20, 2014, 07:50:43 PM
Aha! I knew it -- you're one of *them*! Sent by the government to suppress conspiracy theories. :)
No he is just a naughty boy from the south of Chile spouting his mouth off. :P
A photo from Jaxa.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img849/7056/uxq6.png)
PS: I noticed now that the image I posted before is flipped (or rotated 180º) when compared with this one, I think this one is correct.
Quote from: go2toa on January 20, 2014, 07:50:43 PM
Aha! I knew it -- you're one of *them*! Sent by the government to suppress conspiracy theories. :)
If I was I would get paid, as things are I get nothing. :(
Quote from: Somamech on January 20, 2014, 08:16:16 PM
No he is just a naughty boy from the south of Chile spouting his mouth off. :P
Chile? ???
Portugal is cool. Good girls there, warning boys about bad (Brazilian) girls...seems to generate more tourism than Brazilian tourist ads. Both countries are interesting.
There is a 300' x 300' building on Bougainville Road, Coronada Island, CA. It's shaped like a swastika* ironically used to train the US Navy. It's not a little 30', questionable "structure". There is or was a building on the moon that practically duplicates it.
If that's too small, there is a 400' building on the moon within walking distance. Straight lines 300' + are an impressive trick for my imagination. If you want coordinates I'd gladly hand them over. I respect your job to suppress conspiracy theories -- you can supply blank photos of these. I don't mind. If they did appear in ASU, we would have heard about them on the front page of the times.
If helium 3 was mined and worth more than it's weight in gold, how early would I have to fear people looking at me in good telescopes AND coming up to check out my ops? About 1950. And if I suppressed my front side ops by 1950, could I hide the backside by 2005? Heck yeah.
* In my blog, I wrote about discrepancies of the building in Iron Sky and the real building. I realize there is too much coincidence but the movie is definitely fiction
Quote from: go2toa on January 21, 2014, 04:49:07 AM
If you want coordinates I'd gladly hand them over.
That would make things easier. :)
QuoteI respect your job to suppress conspiracy theories -- you can supply blank photos of these.
It's not my job or even one of my hobbies, I hope stating my opinions about this and other subjects only gives people more information to base their opinions on, but, even if I wanted, how could my opinion suppress any thing?
QuoteIf they did appear in ASU, we would have heard about them on the front page of the times.
Maybe they appeared. In many cases (like this one) we can see that there's something there that, on a lower resolution, looks slightly different. In this case we can still see the triangular shape that was exaggerated by the light/shadows and bad resolution.
In true supression ArMaP could just delete any post he wanted or give out warnings. Eliminate a member even. All within his powers. I have never seen him do that and he does let you move on with a thought. The only supression I have ever seen on PRC has to do with 4 letter words, Bad taste in a photo on the wrong thread and fights that get way too personel and have been asked to stop many times. Other than that, it is a debating web site to further research on all subjects.
And by the way English is not his spoken language which makes it harder for him and us. And then there is all of the technical stuff that has not even come up yet, cameras, lenes, distances, masters. That end seems to get endless. I suggest to all to try and learn from each other as much as you can and have a fun time doing it.
Deuem
I have pictures of the moon, taken by me, from my back yard, that show
very similar 'lights' or sun reflections...Consider that the sun must strike
the moon at a very precise angle for any anomaly to be visable in any image.
A few minuets before or after the precise angle, the anomaly will not be
visable..I think that John Lear has stated that there are 'people' on the
moon..I think that is true. They may be us, they may not. Please correct
me if I am wrong, or just relagate this to the dust bin, if it is not relevent..
or does not agree with your opinion. If my spelling is incorrect, correct
that also..
rubicon
Pixelation may explain it, but the light that extends to the bottom of the crater almost looks like the light shining out from within. Maybe they just close the door when they are done. Camouflage would be expected if the stories of moon bases and such have any validity.
QuoteIn true supression ArMaP could just delete any post he wanted or give out warnings. Eliminate a member even. All within his powers. I have never seen him do that and he does let you move on with a thought. The only supression I have ever seen on PRC has to do with 4 letter words, Bad taste in a photo on the wrong thread and fights that get way too personel and have been asked to stop many times. Other than that, it is a debating web site to further research on all subjects.
Thank you Deuem :)
Think of PRC as a car, and Armap is our brake ;D
Every car needs one, no?
8)
ETA: Sure that bridge could have gone by now, they've been very busy up there the last 40 years ::)
Quote from: ArMaP on January 20, 2014, 09:35:33 PM
;D
:P
The question is though mate, Why is Google Moon not a reputable source? Are you suggesting that there are some people working on the google moon project who don't know their profession too well?
I would be very keen to hear your thought's on that as in all seriousness it means the picture's could be filtered as someone like I believe and yet at the same time you believe Google are messing with picture's.
Between the pair of source's and beliefs we have discovered a perfect IO system of human dung :D
and yes I know you are from a very pretty land thats not Chile ;)
Quote from: Somamech on January 21, 2014, 06:55:46 PM
The question is though mate, Why is Google Moon not a reputable source?
Because, like with their search engine, they prefer to fool people than have good data. In this case, probably to make things faster, they use low resolution images instead of the higher resolution ones available, even from the source they site (in this case, Jaxa).
I will not use the image from the opening post because that one suffers from two more problems, zooming too much into the image and looking at it in perspective, as if they were looking at a 3D object instead of a 2D image, but compare what Google Moon shows and the photo I downloaded (and cropped) from Jaxa.
Google Moon
(http://imageshack.com/a/img46/8715/j6n.gif)
Jaxa
(http://imageshack.com/a/img849/7056/uxq6.png)
Even without zooming too much into the image we can already see some JPEG artefacts (and I think we can see other artefacts, I think they may have changed something in their system, things didn't look that bad before).
QuoteAre you suggesting that there are some people working on the google moon project who don't know their profession too well?
Maybe there are, but that's not what I'm saying, as it looks more like a company policy problem than a professionalism problem.
QuoteI would be very keen to hear your thought's on that as in all seriousness it means the picture's could be filtered as someone like I believe and yet at the same time you believe Google are messing with picture's.
I don't think Google is messing with the pictures, I think they are just reducing the quality because of speed and maybe because those worse images make the headlines and give them free publicity.
Quoteand yes I know you are from a very pretty land thats not Chile ;)
Why did you choose Chile? ???
Quote from: ArMaP on January 20, 2014, 09:35:33 PM
;D
Venus?
aha. Just wanted to join in the 'random location game'. I skipped reading a bit lol.
Anyway - Looks like a flying Triagle - I'm probably wrong but that the obvious diagnosis.
Quote from: ArMaP on January 21, 2014, 09:52:32 PM
Google Moon
(http://imageshack.com/a/img46/8715/j6n.gif)
On the photo above it appears that the crater at 11 O'clock from the one in question has the same pattern of triangular lights or pixels. Take you pick.
Since the photo came in for me as indexed color and at such a low res it is almost imposible to process. I have to do so much manipulation to get anything it becomes useless.
Deuem
Interesting thoughts. I am not a photo analyst so am surely not the best judge on this. There is a huge lighting difference in the 2 pics and I wonder how much that is affecting it? The light level in the crater is totally different. Is that pixelation?
On another note, has anybody here said anything about the mysterious Martian jelly donut rock?
Quote from: ArMaP on January 21, 2014, 09:23:12 AM
That would make things easier. :)
US Navy Seal Duplicate (Swastika)
23 deg 17' 0" N
143 deg 15' 36" E
..and 1.25 km away..
Large Building (Warehouse?)
23 deg 18' 30" N
143 deg 13' 27" E
Here's the video analysis I did a while back
http://thewaystuffreallyworks.blogspot.com/2012/09/moon-base.html
I don't think anything will show up in your archive but I wish you the best.
If you do use Google Moon someday and visit the crater, really study it; it's a crazy town with a lot going on. Those converging spheres reflecting light I mentioned a couple weeks ago...(making people think they are lights)? That actually started this thread. Where are they? This crater.
Outside of Belyaev, there are no buildings, just spheres. But as you move away from the crater, you'll see the number of spheres diminish. That's why I felt they were important. The reason for being there. I joined this forum hoping someone knew what they were.
Quote from: ArMaP on January 21, 2014, 09:52:32 PM
Because, like with their search engine, they prefer to fool people than have good data.
They do both: have good data and fool people.
They have the processing power and data to show a 100% meritocracy with under 14 day lag in what's happening on the internet even without a "new site" submission. Yahoo needed 4-6 months with a forced submission and no bribe.
On popular subjects, they accept explicit ads. And fool people with bribes in the six figures for search result ranks, normally they are gone after the first four sites returned. After that, they're honest because that's how they squashed their competitors. They could go either way if they wanted to.
I haven't dismissed the possibility of them putting easter eggs on moon or mars pictures. However, based on google earth, it seems they don't want to jeopardize their reputation putting easter eggs on anything. For non-technical people, an easter egg is a deeply hidden developer joke. Holiday games around the Google logo are not hidden.
Somebody suggested there was a 10,000' long spacehship on the moon. The hi res jaxa images showed the landscape features still there, suggesting a spaceship at very high altitudes (eg. 20 miles high). Up close it was just a hill. Clearly, that theory should be shot down.
If hi res images don't match google's unnatural structures, 1-those images should show boring landscape that imply the structures, or 2-google should confess they put up easter eggs.
In the absence of conditions 1 or 2, it's not worth the time to debate imo. A bridge that crosses a crater is taken down at the time of the later photo, etc.
Quote from: go2toa on January 23, 2014, 04:08:52 AM
US Navy Seal Duplicate (Swastika)
23 deg 17' 0" N
143 deg 15' 36" E
..and 1.25 km away..
Large Building (Warehouse?)
23 deg 18' 30" N
143 deg 13' 27" E
Thanks, I will take a look. :)
QuoteIf you do use Google Moon someday and visit the crater, really study it; it's a crazy town with a lot going on.
I do use Google Moon (and Mars), but mostly because it's easier to use to get the coordinates of some place, then I use those coordinates to look for the original photos, regardless of the mission being old or new.
QuoteThose converging spheres reflecting light I mentioned a couple weeks ago...(making people think they are lights)? That actually started this thread. Where are they? This crater.
Those spheres look, to me, like an image processing artefact, similar to the squares that appear on JPEG images when they are too compressed. The images on Google Moon look slightly different from what they used to look, that's why I think they changed something in the conversion process they use to make the "tiles" used to make the whole images.
Quote from: go2toa on January 23, 2014, 05:37:14 AM
They do both: have good data and fool people.
I know, what I said was that they prefer to fool people than have good data, meaning that, when they do not have good data they prefer to fool people into thinking that they have, like when you make a search and it tells you that it found four thousand pages, but you keep on moving through all the results and see that they found only three hundreds.
QuoteI haven't dismissed the possibility of them putting easter eggs on moon or mars pictures.
I don't think those are "easter eggs", just faster or cheaper ways of doing things.
QuoteIf hi res images don't match google's unnatural structures, 1-those images should show boring landscape that imply the structures, or 2-google should confess they put up easter eggs.
As Google doesn't have any satellites orbiting the Moon (as far as I know) they have to rely on other sources, the same sources that we have, so the images should look
exactly the same, but they do not. In the beginning the differences only appeared when we chose to see compressed images, but that option now only applies to the 3D textures, and now I start to see differences (like the white spheres) that look like artefacts from a different compression (some look like the result of the lossy compression used in JPEG 2000 images).
QuoteIn the absence of conditions 1 or 2, it's not worth the time to debate imo.
I think it is if we want to know what the good sources are, using garbage to try to understand things is not good (unless we want to understand garbage ;) ).
QuoteA bridge that crosses a crater is taken down at the time of the later photo, etc.
A bridge that crosses a crater
may be taken down at the time of a later photo, but that's not what's happening in this case.
I am posting a more detailed article on this that indicates this "Moon object" has been known about for some time, like for 2 years at least, and before it reached the Moon. Quite frankly, as I read this, I didn't know it was about the same thing, until near the end of the piece. Very interesting. Hopefully it has a basis of reality!! :)
http://www.in5d.com/enormous-craft-detected-on-moon.html
Quote from: rdunk on January 23, 2014, 06:03:36 PM
Very interesting. Hopefully it has a basis of reality!! :)
Judging by this, I doubt it.
QuoteThose images are classified, but quite by accident, low-resolution images from LROC made it out to the public via routine LROC publication. Here now, the low-resolution images of an enormous object, which was tracked by the U.S. Government for millions of miles before it soft-landed on our moon:
There are high resolution photos available, the image I posted on page 1 is from a high resolution (1 metre per pixel) photo. That photo was taken in December 2009 and the file has a server time stamp from September 10, 2013.
There are high resolution photos available, the image I posted on page 1 is from a high resolution (1 metre per pixel) photo. That photo was taken in December 2009 and the file has a server time stamp from September 10, 2013.
Not sure how a 2009 photo might relate to this story, other than show it wasn't there in 2009?
while i have no comment on this..cause i know nothing
i did come across this and thought some of you guys might be interested
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-alien-base-on-the-moon-triangle-of-dots-photo-artifact.2965/
Quote from: rdunk on January 24, 2014, 03:39:48 AM
Not sure how a 2009 photo might relate to this story, other than show it wasn't there in 2009?
Now I'm not sure either. ;D
They say that the "leaked" photos are the ones on Google Moon, but that image has a JAXA copyright and points to a JAXA video of that area, computer generated, in 3D.
The image I posted on page 1 was taken from the LROC high resolution image from 2009, and although it doesn't show the bright points it shows the other features.
Anyway, I don't have much trust for any news with just one source, specially when that source sounds like Sorcha Faal.
ArMap, what imagery did you find at the coordinates?
Quote from: go2toa on June 23, 2015, 07:19:05 AM
ArMap, what imagery did you find at the coordinates?
I don't remember, I have to check. :)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ED6Lz8vlKatmwKL0ofks289bQFtPKnZiCbr7BxtIOGw=w976-h678-no)
I don't believe you can go up and see these anymore. I suspect it was taken down before the Indian/Chinese/Japanese programs reached the area.
Still, it would be interesting to see a photo of the area say 30 years back.
If blatant mining on the moon was "okay" for whomever is there, the front side of the moon would have ongoing activity, and you could simply go to an astronomy club and get a kick out of spotting straight lines. I asked local club members if anyone ever saw a straight line, ever, in the history of the club. They said no.
If we were welcome to mine the moon of helium 3 alongside these guys, we would have been doing it, since it's more precious than gold and we already did the research how to safely go there and back. It's in the news once in awhile. You hear a newsclip or documentary saying, maybe we should collect helium 3. What a new, fresh idea!
This crater has many, many squares and rectangles which are possibly large pixelations, but it's worth nothing these digital artifacts that look like buildings disappear outside the crater, and some structures (like the ones pictured) are well over 100 feet in length. Many (like the warehouse) have platforms, walkways surrounding them. A few look like T-hangars.
(https://moonconspiracy.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/nazi-moon.jpg)
After World War II, rumors circulated that German astronauts had traveled to the moon and established a top-secret facility there. Some even speculated that Adolf Hitler faked his own death, fled the planet and lived out the rest of his days in an underground lunar hideout. Connections were also drawn between flying saucer sightings—including the famous incident near Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947—with the Nazis' alleged UFO development program. These theories form the basis of the science fiction novel "Rocket Ship Galileo," published by Robert A. Heinlein in 1947.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV4Jb3Wna5g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=hV4Jb3Wna5g
You can get good info from LEGO
They made a kit... NAZI base on the Moon
(http://images.mocpages.com/user_images/73014/1302368261m_SPLASH.jpg)
LEGO even made a really COOL Lego Robot for the kids on Mars Colony... here being tested by Russian Cosmonaut Talgat Musabayev on the ISS
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Russian/Commercial/h_musabayev_lego_02.jpg)
Lego has just released their new toy in their "Life on Mar" Series. Here Cosmonaut and Soyuz Commander Talgat Musabayev tests one out in Zero G. I am told these are very popular with the kids on Mars.
"The Lego Company, being active in the non space area, in co-operation with Intospace, a space industry service provider, developed a space education project aimed at developing, launching and operating a Lego Robot on the Space Station. This series is a highly sophisticated assembly set with programmable microchips and advanced reaction systems such as light-, touch or rotational sensors. The space environment of the ISS was perceived as the right scenario for this hi-tech project."
Source - Smithsonian
PEGASUS NOTE: This Lego Robot does not sound like a toy! In fact the Smithsonian Report above states - "Therefore a public competition was announced to create attention offering interested people to participate in developing a robot that will be in the condition to support the ISS crew during their daily routine work."
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Shopping_Mall.html
Quote from: go2toa on June 24, 2015, 01:59:42 AM
I don't believe you can go up and see these anymore. I suspect it was taken down before the Indian/Chinese/Japanese programs reached the area.
On Google Moon? They're still there.
QuoteStill, it would be interesting to see a photo of the area say 30 years back.
I will try to find them, today is a local holiday, so I have the whole day for this. :D
QuoteThis crater has many, many squares and rectangles which are possibly large pixelations, but it's worth nothing these digital artifacts that look like buildings disappear outside the crater, and some structures (like the ones pictured) are well over 100 feet in length. Many (like the warehouse) have platforms, walkways surrounding them. A few look like T-hangars.
That whole Mare Moscoviense photo is full of those artefacts, that, I think, are denoising artefacts like those seen in the image below.
(http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fileexchange/5104-toolbox-wavelets/content/toolbox_wavelets/html/content_04.png)
I'm still trying to find the original photo used by Google.
Quote from: zorgon on June 24, 2015, 09:03:31 AM
(https://moonconspiracy.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/nazi-moon.jpg)
That looks terribly fake, the swastika doesn't look like the rest of the image.
Anyone that uses Google Moon to spot anomalies needs to ....well....enjoy the laugh... ;D
Quote from: ArMaP on June 24, 2015, 12:32:16 PM
That looks terribly fake, the swastika doesn't look like the rest of the image.
No? Hmmm want a CLOSE UP? :P
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/sci_fi_science/41788120/9600/9600_900.jpg)
::)
I am still trying to find the source of this one... my Russian is not to good today :P
(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/sci_fi_science/41788120/10228/10228_900.jpg)
Here's the THING :P
Ever since I got into this mess with John Lear... there has been conspiracy talk of NAZI UFO's and secret NAZI bases in Antarctic and on the Moon
The first big article was years ago by a Russian... it is in my archives
Half A Century of The German Moon Base (1942 - 1992) by Vladimir Terziski
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/01archives/German_Moonbase.htm
Its been copied to Grey Falcon and Biblioteca Pleyades
All the NAZI UFO Mythos points to that NAZI base on the moon. What I want to know is when did the Germans start to drive on the wrong side of the road like the Brits do?
Well at least they admit there is atmosphers
(http://europeonscreen.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/iron_sky_24.jpg)
But here is the THING :P
While we and all the other conspiracy nuts have talked about it for decades, and dug up all the info and photos and documents on the NAZI UFO stuff and posted it freely on the web...
SOMEONE decided it was worth GOLD
(http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/still/iron-sky06.jpg)
These Norwegans made two movies called IRON SKY The first is the NAZI Moon Base the second they go inside the earth to Agartha...
So while we diddle around and do all the leg work, someone grabs the data and makes a million :P
End result? All the MOVIE images (really cool ones) end up mixed in to the pot...
(http://media.forumcinemas.ee/1000/Event_6083/gallery/iron%20sky%201.jpg)
I did a thread on that movie here
Dark Side of the Moon - Iron Sky
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=854.msg7647#msg7647
Quote from: fredus on June 06, 2012, 01:36:22 PM
Watched the movie, was fun but don't look for a story line. Its like someone had been on the forums and decided to create a modern version of the "Flying high" film based on the hitler/moon conspiracy. I admit I liked it but also thought, how is this going to help the theory? Nope, just another comedy movie. Great effects, action all the way... Overall, entertaining and refreshing movie compared to what I have seen lately :)
THAT was my point... someone took all the NAZI/Moon/UFO conspiracies and made a great comedy...
...and forever muddied the water :D
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on June 24, 2015, 01:01:57 PM
Anyone that uses Google Moon to spot anomalies needs to ....well....enjoy the laugh... ;D
Google's competence is more certain than yours. And this discussion already took place...in this very thread.