This is by 1967sander,
hes obviously put a lot of work into this and i think hes done a great job.
Anyhoo i found it very interesting.
This is how he introduces the video..
Six and a half years ago, I received a personal message from a man who called himself John. He had a most remarkable, too fantastic story but I believed him.
This video is about his discovery.
It was on November 18, in the year 1969, that he witnessed something that according to his own words, changed his life completely. While watching B/W coverage of the Apollo 12 mission on the Armed Forces Vietnam Network (AFVN) he saw something very interesting and peculiar.
He asked around if anyone else had seen it but his friends, started to make fun of him and they said; You probably have seen "the man in the moon"! John knew very well what he had seen and it was not a man in the Moon. This was bigger, much much bigger: some 3.5 miles long and 1.5 miles high to be exact.
Afraid for what people might think of him and also that no one would ever believe him, John kept silent till 2007. That same year he stumbled upon my research and shared his secret. I promised him that I would help revealing the truth and really would have loved to show him that he had not been hallucinating, that his discovery is real but before I had found the original film (March 2011) and other video material, John had died of age. In the years that followed I continued performing my research into his discovery and now our project is finished and time has come to share his secret with everyone!
"Those in the know" kept their lips shut for 44 years about this for mankind "historical moment" and I am NOT referring to the Apollo 12 moonlanding.
This video hopefully will contribute to boost disclosure as it certainly will make some people very nervous and NASA will have some explaining to do. Don't you agree?
1967sander.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NlXwGB0Y7o
http://youtu.be/6NlXwGB0Y7o
Can we put it on Peggy Channel?
I dont know the guy Z, i just follow his work so i dont know. we could try and find an email for him with an invite maybe?
Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on January 25, 2014, 11:10:45 AM
I dont know the guy Z, i just follow his work so i dont know. we could try and find an email for him with an invite maybe?
Please do, Elvis; interesting...
seeker
I've followed 1967sander for a long time on youtube...very detailed analyst of Clementine images mostly, but a lot of other stuff to. I believe I invited him to Peggy sometime ago but I forget.. When I saw the video at the top of this thread, I knew where he was going with this. He's tied it in to his other vid's about the 'air-brushed' machine that I first saw here:
http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2004/068/moon-objects.htm
He's made other videos about this, here is just one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOKnRjAWjh4
Hey Sarge,
If you have his email could you maybe try him again mate.
I cant find a contact for him anywhere!
He would be good on peggy.
:)
No I don't, but a lot of Peggy mems are subscribers to his Youtube channel...they may have it...as I said it was a long time ago and I forget if it was email or just on his Youtube channel....
I may be wrong, but I don't see any reference points in the video that also appear on the photos of Mosting Crater, as if that is not Mösting Crater. ???
Ok just emailed sander.
Let's wait and see :)
Sander is joining.
I think a "sticky" thread for "smoking guns" (obvious signs of foul play) would be a cool addition to the forum. If I understand the audio correctly, he says there is a perfectly straight wall. If so, I vote this video belongs in the smoking gun gallery.
Here's my vote for a smoking gun. I liked the numerous, credible witnesses.
For the record, I dislike the implied reference that flying wings are alien. If there's one thing consistent, it's that earth-bound people use airfoils (helicopters/hover craft do in the blade also) or thirsty ramjets. Aliens don't screw around with it.
One of my other favorites is a massive formation of UFOs cruising over an eastern european town at night. If anybody wants me to track it down again, lmk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0adeVyaYlo
Quote from: go2toa on January 26, 2014, 10:23:09 PM
Here's my vote for a smoking gun. I liked the numerous, credible witnesses.
Could you post a small description of what the video shows? Thanks in advance. :)
Quote from: go2toa on January 26, 2014, 10:23:09 PM
One of my other favorites is a massive formation of UFOs cruising over an eastern european town at night. If anybody wants me to track it down again, lmk.
Sure, bring it along. The one you posted above is a nice mash up. 8)
Quote from: ArMaP on January 25, 2014, 04:26:59 PM
I may be wrong, but I don't see any reference points in the video that also appear on the photos of Mosting Crater, as if that is not Mösting Crater. ???
I have problems with this presentation also.
Firstly, this friend of Sanders... If he witnessed the same footage we just witnessed - I'd hardley imagine it was 'life changing'.
The video caused me to raise an eyebrow, and that was
with photo's from other sources for comparison.
What was this friend 'comparing' against?
Also, I sorta see a smudge, but I'm no astronaut or geologist, I have no idea if footage from different angles would effect the shadows we see.... Even if NASA did 'shop' something... This segment can join the long list of other 'shopped' shizzle.
Unless I can whats under that shop - It's really not that amazing.
I personally do not appreciate Sanders assersion that his complilation is the'smoking gun'
and quote "The only real evidence" - How misleading and inaccurate.
What I do find interesting is the lack of images and or literature on Mosting crater, and I also find the 'Targets of Opportunity' interesting.
What I will attempt to do is locate/read that full document and then compare that with the moon locations provided by Dr. Peter Beter, who stated from the on-set the DOD had special plans in special locations.
If I get lost on the moon, I may need some help in regards to navigation.
Sander, I know your a new member, my comments are not personal - and welcome :)
ETA: I canny find the Targets of Opp Doc. If anyone does, please lemme know.
Sinny!
Re: Apollo 12 Targets of Opportunity TO-52 PDF:
May be contained in any of the following:
Apollo 12 Mission Report: http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/A12_MissionReport.pdf (http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/A12_MissionReport.pdf)
Apollo 12 Preliminary Science Report: http://www.history.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/as12psr.pdf (http://www.history.nasa.gov/alsj/a12/as12psr.pdf)
NASA Apollo 12 Press Kit: http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a410/A12_PressKit.pdf (http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a410/A12_PressKit.pdf)
Now somebody has to go through all the documents and find the relevant section. ;D ::)
Cheers Starwarp... I like your suggestion.. Who's going to do all the reading for me? ;D
Quote from: ArMaP on January 27, 2014, 01:12:31 AM
Could you post a small description of what the video shows? Thanks in advance. :)
Mostly they interview first hand accounts of reverse engineering alien technology.
Interesting how they claim defense companies and the cia reserved the right to tell the president to bug off. It doesn't sound credible at first, but if you listen carefully to Eisenhower's choice of words, it does sound eery.
And limited talk about airbrushing moon photos.
Quote from: A51Watcher on January 27, 2014, 05:21:18 AM
Sure, bring it along. The one you posted above is a nice mash up. 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-JiYLD4RuI
Probably not empirical, but one of the hardest to write off. To reproduce this you'd have to get slow aircraft, willing to fly in formation at night, in a pack of 14-18 directly towards police officers, at a specific point on a hill. They'd have to turn all of their normal lights off, except their landing light. And vary the brightness of the landing light just a bit, now and then. How many people in Slovakia have the time, money, and inclination to do this?
One other thing, all of those pilots have to be willing to get their license suspended over a stupid trick, because unlike cars, aircraft night lights are an international standard, and are strictly enforced.
Hi there, no problems. I can stand criticism. I learned to think out of the box and my methods are unconventional. This allows me to see things others cannot or only hardly see. The object at the Mosting crater is very clear visible to me but I also realize that other people need more time to see what I see.
Quote from: go2toa on January 27, 2014, 10:16:45 PM
To reproduce this you'd have to get slow aircraft, willing to fly in formation at night, in a pack of 14-18 directly towards police officers, at a specific point on a hill. They'd have to turn all of their normal lights off, except their landing light. And vary the brightness of the landing light just a bit, now and then.
Or they were balloons. ;D
Quote from: 1967sander on January 28, 2014, 12:17:22 AM
The object at the Mosting crater is very clear visible to me but I also realize that other people need more time to see what I see.
My first question is: is that really Mösting crater?
Quote from: A51Watcher on January 27, 2014, 05:21:18 AM
Sure, bring it along. The one you posted above is a nice mash up. 8)
Eastern europe seems to have the most brazen "weather balloons". Here's a shaky, but colorful one by civilians. As it progresses, their numbers really add up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R51Qoa41qfc
Quote from: go2toa on January 26, 2014, 10:23:09 PM
... dislike the implied reference that flying wings are alien.
If you make a video about alien tech, you want to leave out clips with flying wings. Obviously it was a passion of Northrop long before Roswell.
"Jack Northrop became involved in innovative all-wing aircraft designs in the late-1920s, with his first Flying Wing being built in the 1928–1930 time period. That first prototype, the 1929 Flying Wing X-216H, evolved from earlier design studies. The X-216H had twin rudders with a single horizontal stabilizer running between them; both rudders were connected by twin booms to the thick, all-wing blended fuselage. The aircraft had an open cockpit in the center wing section and single, rear-facing, pusher propeller connected to a piston engine blended into the all-wing shape. The X-216H was first test flown in 1929"
-- wikipedia
Quote from: 1967sander on January 28, 2014, 12:17:22 AM
Hi there, no problems. I can stand criticism. I learned to think out of the box and my methods are unconventional. This allows me to see things others cannot or only hardly see. The object at the Mosting crater is very clear visible to me but I also realize that other people need more time to see what I see.
Could you clarify the visual aspects with a still image/arrows? I heard interesting things, but visually couldn't make out anything.
(http://s3d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/17613867_004.png) (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17613867/004.png.html)
(http://s3d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/17613852_026.png) (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17613852/026.png.html)
(http://s3d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/17613853_026a.png) (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17613853/026a.png.html)
(http://s3d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/17613854_026b.png) (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17613854/026b.png.html)
(http://s3d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/17613855_026c.png) (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17613855/026c.png.html)
(http://s3d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/17613856_026ca.jpg) (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17613856/026ca.jpg.html)
(http://s3d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/17613864_027.png) (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17613864/027.png.html)
(http://s3d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/17613865_028.jpg) (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17613865/028.jpg.html)
Just a few samples.
Quote from: 1967sander on January 28, 2014, 06:21:02 AM
(http://s3d1.turboimagehost.com/t1/17613865_028.jpg) (http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17613865/028.jpg.html)
This image shows what I mean, as we can see some features that look the same but on the photo we can see features that are not in the video frame and other features on the video frame that are not on the photo.
Sinny!
Targets of Opportunity Flight Chart SKB 32100097-301: http://media.nara.gov/southwest/gallery/6734363.pdf (http://media.nara.gov/southwest/gallery/6734363.pdf)
I can see the object clear as day!
That really is some find imo.
Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on January 28, 2014, 01:22:46 PM
I can see the object clear as day!
That really is some find imo.
If it's that clear.. What is it? :P
Quote from: starwarp2000 on January 28, 2014, 12:37:30 PM
Sinny!
Targets of Opportunity Flight Chart SKB 32100097-301: http://media.nara.gov/southwest/gallery/6734363.pdf (http://media.nara.gov/southwest/gallery/6734363.pdf)
Thanks again Starwarp, I'll attempt my navigations at the weekend :)
Quote from: starwarp2000 on January 28, 2014, 12:37:30 PM
Sinny!
Targets of Opportunity Flight Chart SKB 32100097-301: http://media.nara.gov/southwest/gallery/6734363.pdf (http://media.nara.gov/southwest/gallery/6734363.pdf)
LOL First time Quoting myself ;D
This sold for 800 Pounds on Ebay (England). Must be a collectors item ;)
Hmm, must be.. I prefer pirated freebies meself ;)
I wonder if I can get my hands on the very first Targets of Opportunity, the 'official' one that is.
I'm sure there are unofficial ones dating back to 1959... Wish I could get my hands on that lot.
Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on January 28, 2014, 01:22:46 PM
I can see the object clear as day!
That really is some find imo.
Yes it is there alright but not everyone is willing to accept that. Their mind is still telling them that it cannot be possible and as such they cannot see it. What it is ... I have idea. I only see something which is not visible on other images.
Definitely not a rock of 1.5 miles high and 3.5 miles long.
I see an oblong shape on the crater edge that is not in the other shots.
The huge scale doesn't bother me at all. In lower gravity things could grow huge, if for instance it's organic.
I mean look at the size of the critters from the tether incident.
I often wonder about very large organic entities on the moon.
Remember when they said they came across "Barbera" what the hell was Barbera? And what about the spider from Apollo 8! That was no piece of lint. It was massive.
Quote from: 1967sander on January 28, 2014, 05:29:26 PM
Yes it is there alright but not everyone is willing to accept that.
I've accepted far more 'fringe' than this.
It is not that my mind or perception are
closed. It's just not as ground breaking as you claim. The 'Ring Makers of Saturn' are 'ground breaking'.
Quote from: Sinny on January 28, 2014, 03:31:56 PM
Thanks again Starwarp, I'll attempt my navigations at the weekend :)
Here, have some more. :)
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/mapcatalog/apolloindex/apollo12/