Pegasus Research Consortium

http://ultraculture.org/blog/2013/08/26/watch-a-jaw-dropping-visualization-of-every-protest-since-1979/

Watch the graphic presentation and note the buildup of protest.  This dovetails with a recent analysis on StratRisks about a worldwide loss of confidence in governments.

We're headed towards something big.

Very Interesting to see  8th man...

No doubt the more recent statistics is down to the Internet !

Otherwise I suspect we would have seen similar figures maybe as far back as the early 1980s...

That's when things seemed to start going bad again after they started making Job lay off's & mass redundancies..at least thats how it was in the UK & Europe at that time...I assume the USA followed similarly..

after what had been a 1950s to 1970s boom after WW2...

No doubt populations do seem to have grown severe now...and maybe some say they can understand globalists / Gov if they are trying to reduce populations.

Its just we do not want to be part of it ....

There are too many things that affect that map, one of the most important being the source, news reports.

Also, the fact that there are more protests is also a result of having more freedom, as I noticed some of those "protests" in Lisbon in the 1980s, something that could not happen before the 1974 revolution, so the fall of the Berlim wall and the end of many dictatorships in those years is an obvious factor in it.

PS: I didn't look at the whole video, as I was more interested in knowing where the data came from. :)

Idle people are more able to form huge protests. Those that have no job are the only ones with time on their hands to protest and are the easiest to be rallied to a cause... many times just out of boredom

Quote from: Eighthman on January 25, 2014, 02:26:08 PM
We're headed towards something big.

Every great civilization in History fought HARD to build a utopian society, they worked, they built , they created...

As they got closer to that utopia they had more leisure time....

This leisure time soon led to depravities and debauchery...  Look at Rome as a prime example... the people demanded more and more because they had free time on their hands and soon got bored...

in the end EVERY civilization that had reached such a Golden Age was torn apart from within before falling to the 'barbarians' on the outside just waiting for a break

EVERY ONE  even the Myths like Atlantis where corruption lead to the destruction that caused the 'sinking'

So today you are seeing the "Decline and Fall of the American Empire" (and others) while the New World Order is named "CHINA"

::)

I agree zorgon.
How does society repel this future?
Or how does one get ahead of the curve and profit from this future?

Quote from: robomont on January 25, 2014, 08:39:26 PM
I agree zorgon.
How does society repel this future?
Or how does one get ahead of the curve and profit from this future?

Um...  We all can profit - including the starving children who the waiting buzzards would feed off of - but Y'all know the plan, eh?

Lol.amy.
I got to admit.your dedicated to your cause.
Perseverence wins out in the end.

I added the StratRisks analysis because I realize that this topic is somewhat subjective.

Nevertheless, I see a danger in ignoring observations simply because they are subjective, as habitual skeptics might do.  A few people did foresee where Hitler or General Motors or Obama were headed, inspite of all contrary propaganda. 

I think we need to ponder the notion that a Golden Age would be sort of a curse.  Can we adopt a cultural habit of self discipline and avoid the ' there's nothing to live for except more sex and drugs' idea?

For example, I notice that there are a few comedians who never seem to get tired of what they do - and may have very stable personal lives as well.  For every Pryor or Hedberg, there's also a Leno or Seinfeld.

Does it all have to be pessimistic?  I'm reminded of the Zen Monk who said about the aftereffect of long meditation, "sometimes the world is so beautiful you can hardly stand it".

QuoteWatch the graphic presentation and note the buildup of protest.  This dovetails with a recent analysis on StratRisks about a worldwide loss of confidence in governments.

We're headed towards something big.

Indeed....

What happens next; is the Start of the next "Chapter", part of the "Story" (Experience)
Invoking the "Upgrades" of our "Processing System", the Ancients referred to as the Soul !

The title "Soul" was given for our "Processing System" ALL is produced in and Presented !

The word "Soul" has changed through "History", having been bastardised by "religious sects" and Institutions !

, , , and some of us have been watching and waiting since the 1960, and have learned from those that have been watching since the 1800's, , ,


No poop, something is coming.  ::)

Russia built a straw house that fell
America built a wood house that is falling
China built a cement house that is standing in the long run for now.

3 stupid pigs can teach us lessons.

Greed got in the way of Russia and America. It will get in the way for China also and then the entire program will shift west again. We all get a turn.

Deuem

how's that go

before enlightenment
chop wood , carry water
after enlightenment
chop wood, carry water


;)

Quote from: sky otter on January 26, 2014, 03:41:56 AM
after enlightenment
chop wood, carry water

before become Kung Fu expert... wax on, wax off

after enlightenment... German water carrier :D

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/HUMMEL-Figurine-Germany-TMK3-MORS-Water-Carrier-MAN-Vtg-Watering-hole-Amish-boy-/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/$T2eC16VHJHQE9nzEylpDBQbeHpwW8!~~60_35.JPG)

Chinese version

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Quote from: Amaterasu on January 25, 2014, 10:31:15 PM
Um...  We all can profit - including the starving children who the waiting buzzards would feed off of - but Y'all know the plan, eh?

Buzzards need to eat too :P Stop making babies when you can't feed the ones you already have or yourself...

Your plan would fail for the same reason Rome did, and like Rome you could never get everyone in the world to follow it... so there will always be those barbarians on the outside waiting for sloth and apathy to set in to your free everything robot controlled utopia

Human is as Human does :D

Quote from: deuem on January 26, 2014, 02:34:49 AM
Greed got in the way of Russia and America. It will get in the way for China also and then the entire program will shift west again. We all get a turn.

It already has started... saw a program on the new 'Communist Capitalism'  which allows Chinese to make as much money as they want so long as they stay out of PolyTicks

They were showing how Pawn Shops are springing up all over China and the Police are not really worried about stolen goods so much

They showed how these new wealthy 'Communist Capitalists' are buying property around the world especially in America. They own about 1/3 of the US now from buying foreclosures even bought the Chase Towers in New York When JP Morgan had to sell it to pay those billion dollar fines. They bought a huge piece of land in Vegas and are making a giant Chinese Casino Resort

GREED IS GOOD   

It gets the job done :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8y6DJAeolo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8y6DJAeolo

Quote from: deuem on January 26, 2014, 02:34:49 AM
Russia built a straw house that fell
America built a wood house that is falling
China built a cement house that is standing in the long run for now.

3 stupid pigs can teach us lessons.

Greed got in the way of Russia and America. It will get in the way for China also and then the entire program will shift west again. We all get a turn.

Deuem

I understand what you say deuem, however, I suggest it is a little different for the America. The house of America built was in every way with concrete and steel, on the basis of a very strong Constitution, totally by the people and for the people. It did and does provide the absolutes necessary to ensure such failures do not happen here. However, when the people will no longer take the necessary actions to maintain the course of the Republic, then the people have failed, not the founding.

People are recognizing the idiocity of the big government and the extreme failures of the present administration in every respect. The people do still have time to make the course corrections to get our government back to its original framework, but extreme physical measure will be required - one doesn't borrow money to reduce debt!!

Point of interest;

A Chinese group of investors, could NOT raise enough $$$$$,
to buy one of our lager group of Dairy farms in NZ.

Further investigations found the intended Chinese investors Corrupt !   :)

Someone had to go to Prison...   8)

And even if they could have come up with the $$$$$, public pressure would have stopped the deal anyway.

They missed out on the deal.   :)

Quote from: rdunk on January 26, 2014, 04:46:18 AM
People are recognizing the idiocity of the big government and the extreme failures of the present administration in every respect. The people do still have time to make the course corrections to get our government back to its original framework, but extreme physical measure will be required -

Well we shall see  Election coming soon... let's see if "We the Peeps..." will do anything about it

::)

Quoteone doesn't borrow money to reduce debt!!

No  you do it to purchase time :D

You would think that after some thousands of years of Trade etc. on Earth the players
would have learnt something ?  ::)

It appears..... Apparently NOT !

Still....... I am the "Eternal Optimist"...   :)

When the US passes away, and a new system takes its place, maybe just maybe then we will learn ?

The US is the same as all other Economic based Systems (Business) just a different approach.

They all come to their own End !

None remain for ever !  Guess WHY ?

HOW many more thousands of years, will it take to learn such a simple Lesson ?

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/17484-wall-street-journal-takes-notice-nullification-trend-is-spreading

Nullification of the Federal government is spreading.

I think Republicans are overconfident about elections.  There's a saying that 'anyone can win if there's no second entrant' and that can apply if voters don't observe solid offers of help from conservatives, regardless of whether the President is a muslim, socialist, gay, illegal alien who wants to shred the Constitution. This stuff just isn't working anymore.

As for borrowing money to pay debt, a Danish economist described it as 'peeing your pants to try to stay warm'.

I think it was Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) that said, , ,

"If voting really worked, THEY wouldn't let us do it."

Smart man, , , , ,

The chinese bought the oilfield pipe manufacturer in lonestar texas a few years back.basically a foundry and machining industry.it employs alot of people in the area.maybe a thousand +-.

Another odd thought about China and possible sudden change:  the Chinese want a new reserve currency that may be a sort of currency basket or SDR sort of arrangement.

It seems to me that since they hold 1.3 trillion dollars - they could suddenly use that as collateral or a huge component of such a reserve currency.  The US would be powerless to stop it.

That basket theory would actually prop up the dollar.unless that basket was loaned out too.but if was just held in vaults then that should increase the value of the remaining dollars in the market.plus its a way of china showing their trust in its value.a win win.

Quote from: Eighthman on January 26, 2014, 06:02:33 PM
It seems to me that since they hold 1.3 trillion dollars - they could suddenly use that as collateral or a huge component of such a reserve currency.  The US would be powerless to stop it.

FREE CHINESE LESSONS by PEGGY :D

Might come in handy soon :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsFr5up9mSQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsFr5up9mSQ

hmmmm first there was Japanese lessons, , ,

then Korean lessons, , ,

then , , hmmm who's ass did America kick after that and rebuild their country?

Only ONE that is going to win or rule over anything and that is LIFE...

(NOT any Species !)

The human PRIMATE has still to realise this "Reality"...


If we don't (soon) ...  we might grow feathers and become another version of the.....  "(Evolution of the Species")





Natural selection I guess... but in this case involves decision making instead of involving procreation ...    ;)

this case involves decision making  



sadly most forget we have a choice in everything
but
mostly their choice is - not making one

Quote from: sky otter on January 27, 2014, 05:08:05 AM

this case involves decision making  



sadly most forget we have a choice in everything
but
mostly their choice is - not making one

Sadly a Fact Sky...   :(

Quote from: Norval on January 26, 2014, 11:11:12 PM
hmmmm first there was Japanese lessons, , ,

then Korean lessons, , ,

then , , hmmm who's ass did America kick after that and rebuild their country?

So what are you saying?  Should we kick our own ass then rebuild. The kicking part seems to work for all the others. Hummm. Move all the people out to Canada or Mexico, send in the drones, tanks, stelth bombers, a few dozen subs and rods from God, then bring everyone back in and rebuild. Humm. It works for everone else! Lots of work for all, for years. Just do this about every 100 years or so. By the way no one tell congress about the actual date. let it be a suprise....

What I think is coming will involve everyone on earth, , , , ,

, , , till then  8)

Quote from: Norval on January 28, 2014, 01:39:05 AM
What I think is coming will involve everyone on earth, , , , ,

, , , till then  8)

And there is a lot more than the two of us who believe that to be a soon certainty!!

Quote from: Norval on January 28, 2014, 01:39:05 AM
What I think is coming will involve everyone on earth, , , , ,

, , , till then  8)

Ok, spill the beans. Do i need to leave Earth or get ready for a party. Got the keys to the saucer ready....
Doom and gloom or party till you drop.  I do like the party idea over doom porn.

Deuem

Lol.just found out the illegal immigrant that does landscaping at the subdevision across the road is getting laid off.maybe all the illegals around the world will all get laid off at the same time.now that would be big.

Beware the Ides of March!!!!

SOMETHING BIG is going to HAPPEN...  well SOON... well SOMEDAY... well okay EVENTUALLY

::)

So if ya keep saying Doom is A Coming often and long enough, someday, SOMETHING will happen and ya can say "LO and BEHOLD!!!! I Told Ya So!!!" and be very "Rapturous"

Quote from: deuem on January 28, 2014, 04:45:27 PM
  Got the keys to the saucer ready....

Wait... what?   :o

You been holdin out on us?  >:(  Been working with Buzz and the Chinese antigrav boys behind our back?  >:(

::)

Quote from: zorgon on January 25, 2014, 08:28:45 PM
Every great civilization in History fought HARD to build a utopian society, they worked, they built , they created...

As they got closer to that utopia they had more leisure time....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzshqZI49Ns

This leisure time soon led to depravities and debauchery...  Look at Rome as a prime example... the people demanded more and more because they had free time on their hands and soon got bored...

So today you are seeing the "Decline and Fall of the American Empire" (and others) while the New World Order is named "CHINA"


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Spartacus > Dale Earnhardt >


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:o

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...It's called synergy my freinds.

Peeps are becoming more aware (well some of us anyway, let's face it we are the minority). Some say this is from an outside influence, some say it's the 'quickening'...Watch the film if you haven't yet, well worth it.

Let's assume we are pawns in a game, we are caught in the delusion that we are separeate individual thinking beings, while we have at the same time been programmed to the Hive mentality.

Peeps NEED to be individual, to express themselves, hence the common trends in fashion, religion, politics, dumb movies etc ad nauseum.

All we need to do is to be ourselves, let that uniqueness shine through, not bottle it up :P

The ostritch is taking it's head out of the sand & is taking in the amazing new view of the world, of course it has questions, i would expect nothing less.

I expect the philosophers among us to understand this & continue to teach the true values of what it means to be a human being.

We have a long way to go, but i for one am hopeful, it is quite possible we have a benign ET out there prodding us along the way..........
-PWM-

Aliens prodding us along?  Exactly!  A truly advanced civilization doesn't invade Iraq or Afghanistan and try to enforce "reform" on the natives.  They are more subtle than that.

I am heartened by a particular recent development.  It now appears that the sabotage of peace talks with Iran by the Senate has been stopped - to the reported surprise of many experts who realize that Congress is controlled by foreign governments (59 Senators support for war!).

Something subtle is happening - and it's good. Now, if we can get some free energy, life extension and peaceful overthrow of the elite, hello Golden Age.

No offence intended but i think yall are naive.
This thing is like tv wrestling .fake fake fake.its all a script to con us out of our money.
Its the ones who dont go along with the script that die or get invaded.their is no alqueda just alciada.there is terrorist just state dept and fbi plus private contractors.there are no mass shootings by average joe.just schizo pawns manipulated by the three letter agencies.
The queen is broke and the banks are floating checks to keep the cash flowing.
Everything is overleveraged and its all going to crash.a world reset.the small countries will hurt more then the big countries.all these security measures like tsa are just phony jobs to employ people.busy work.socialisim in disquise.
The news is script.thats why their ratings are failing.olbummer will fall on the sword for some bill because the folks hate him and hes not up for reelection.
Most washington marriages are marriages of convenience.to protect their fia covers.the public would go nuts if they knew most of congress started out in langeley.and climbed up through the secret ranks.
I could go on.its all fake and lies.

And for you - and now, countless others - to make such assertions means people are waking up.

Poll after poll show big changes in public attitude - towards privacy, Congress, "Socialism", the elite, conspiracies and more.

Change the thoughts, change the planet.

Production in china has peaked and going down.they have too many people.the usa is made to look weak due to economy.the chinese will be allowed to attack us like pearl harbor.it will start with something petty like the phillipines.the usa will allow them to wipe out alot of low iq foot soldiers like immigrants that joined and we will be allowed to kill off alot of the chinese.this will justify a real police slave state in both countries.then the usa will pull out the high tech and end the game.ie saucers.this will cause a cold war and delete the usa debt to china.cyina will be the new fear to replace the terrorism fear.the soldiers will come home heroes and the world will be right again.then these soldiers will become cops that fine us into constant slavery to the state.the rich and the russians will set back and laugh all the way to the bank.
Thats how i see it playing out.

It all has to do with LIFE !


If you do NOT know your ""SELF you are in Poverty !

And IF you will NOT know Your "SELF" You are that POVERTY !

The "SELF" is like a "Droplet" of LIFE or a "Partition" of LIFE !

The "SELF" is NOT "The Human Primate".


IF you know the "SELF" there is No Longer any so called "Mystery" !

You will understand exactly what your World is really about...    :)

I don't think the Chinese will be invading East Texas very soon.[Only the ICBMs know where it is]  So you can sit tight and happy. I'll let you know if that is going to happen. The country is not on a war dance. They are in a catch up parade. Wow, they build an aircraft carrier and the world goes all doom porn. Wait till the other 6 are done and thay have a fleet of them. Hey, they have to spend all your money on something. Carriers are cool. How many fleets does the US have.

I always hear of the US sending in the fleet. Wait till the Chinese do the same. Wow people will shit their pants. Hey the US has been starting wars all over the globe to boost the economy, why can't the Chinese do the same.  :-X   It worked for the US and no one stopped them. When the shoe is on the other foot you get worried. Don't worry, be happy! Chinese food is good for you, no GMO's. It cured me.

And if they ever take over Texas  :'( I will ask for Robo to be in charge of it.  8)  Peggy can rule the world! And Ron is working on the planets. ;D See, in the USA they let other countries buy the land and buildings. Here they can only lease the land for 50 years. Who is stupid?

Deuems Chinese lessons will be available on DVD at a lowered cost to all Peglets when TSHTF. ::)

Deuem  :o

Quote from: Eighthman on January 29, 2014, 12:29:12 AM
Aliens prodding us along?  Exactly!  A truly advanced civilization doesn't invade Iraq or Afghanistan and try to enforce "reform" on the natives.  They are more subtle than that.

I am heartened by a particular recent development.  It now appears that the sabotage of peace talks with Iran by the Senate has been stopped - to the reported surprise of many experts who realize that Congress is controlled by foreign governments (59 Senators support for war!).

Something subtle is happening - and it's good. Now, if we can get some free energy, life extension and peaceful overthrow of the elite, hello Golden Age.

Indeed aliens, with the face of the jew in israel. I trace the alien agenda back to the bolsheviks in russia but may operate way before that. The problems in the middle east weren't so war like till israel became a state and then all of the middle east is in conflict.

That single abomination has killed and manipulated the world for a long time and they even go so far as brag how they run the united states. Which they obviously do with no problems at all.

Every conflict has israel named in it. Why do you suppose that is. Why can a stolen state act with such impunity upon the world.

It came out that comedians have a higher level of psychopathy.since the jews have the most comedians........
This goes back to abraham.
Psychopaths tend to outlive sheeple and produce more offspring.so over time....
This one flaw can be overcome by not letting the beast outside its borders.just as we dont let charles manson out of prison.let the crazies consume theirselves.or another words heal thyself first.
To shun such behavior is best but it takes self discipline.just as i do not associate with liars and thieves.as  best as i can.this should be world policy.
Just as fox news shouldnt even justify responding to the presidents speech tonight.the speech should be ignored because he is a habitual liar.only respond and recognize honorable people.
This is how we train children.should it not be the same for how we treat them.

IF a "City" is divided against itself... it SHALL Fall !

Sadly the human species is divided against itself...

Hence the accusation between Countries ad peoples....


When are the occupants of Earth going to learn ?    >:(

QuoteEvery conflict has israel named in it. Why do you suppose that is. Why can a stolen state act with such impunity upon the world.

Ever tried to reason with a bully? Ever thought about how a tiny state can have such long wicked tendrils, and live within its host like a parasite?

Israel doesnt need a huge swath of land, Powerful Jews are amongst you and I and every nation in the western world, working their deeds towards a common goal, and that is the destruction of religion other than their own at all costs.

Kind of sounds like Islam without all the visible terrorism, come to think of it, it is exactly the same as Islam...and Christianity...and...Every single religion out there, invented for the sole purpose of controlling humans through their mentally weak base population.

Each religion goes about destruction and intolerance in a different way, Israel has just made it very sneaky and underhanded the way they do it, unlike the rest like Christianity and Islam, where they just drag you from your home and kill you.

Until religion is completely removed from the planetary mindset, we are doomed to repeat the failures and pain spawned by religion and its invention.

Quote from: Littleenki on January 29, 2014, 01:05:05 PM
Ever tried to reason with a bully? Ever thought about how a tiny state can have such long wicked tendrils, and live within its host like a parasite?

Israel doesnt need a huge swath of land, Powerful Jews are amongst you and I and every nation in the western world, working their deeds towards a common goal, and that is the destruction of religion other than their own at all costs.

Kind of sounds like Islam without all the visible terrorism, come to think of it, it is exactly the same as Islam...and Christianity...and...Every single religion out there, invented for the sole purpose of controlling humans through their mentally weak base population.

Each religion goes about destruction and intolerance in a different way, Israel has just made it very sneaky and underhanded the way they do it, unlike the rest like Christianity and Islam, where they just drag you from your home and kill you.

Until religion is completely removed from the planetary mindset, we are doomed to repeat the failures and pain spawned by religion and its invention.

Bravo,
Gold.

Quote from: Littleenki on January 29, 2014, 01:05:05 PM

Until religion is completely removed from the planetary mindset, we are doomed to repeat the failures and pain spawned by religion and its invention.

Just don't throw out the BABY with the bath water.   ;)

Some of those ancient writings explain why all this is happening.  ;D

1st the ancient writings need to be understood...   :)

Rather than being looked at with superstition...   :)

The world only builds up to "something" on the web. 

Unplug, Resist Headline's THEN Hike the Rubber out of ya Boots,

I did the above and found the world was still in the same state I left it LOL

Quote from: Norval on January 29, 2014, 03:25:33 PM
Just don't throw out the BABY with the bath water.   ;)

Some of those ancient writings explain why all this is happening.  ;D

Yes, removed from the mindset, not the library as reference and fiction works.
Some of the best writings Ive enjoyed are of a religious bent, sort of like stargate meets touched by an angel.

Quote from: Somamech on January 29, 2014, 08:00:42 PM
The world only builds up to "something" on the web. 

Unplug, Resist Headline's THEN Hike the Rubber out of ya Boots,

Soma,

SO true!

What little time I have spent on the web, its much better
than letting the gubbments foment ya over the doom porn.

Besides that, what little time I have spent discovered
that there still is a large energy put into the fomenting
by agenciies such as Tavistock Institute working with
media. Solution? Like you said, unplug.

Best thing ever. Read a book, take a hike,
gaze at the stars, get your telescope out.

Agreed.sometimes i forget how easily aj can stir me up.then i have to remember how absolutely stupid the general public is.turtles dont get mad easily.

Quote from: Norval on January 29, 2014, 03:25:33 PM
Some of those ancient writings explain why all this is happening.  ;D

I agree

History keeps swinging between Science and Religion

Not until Hu-mons understand that we need to use BOTH in conjunction with each other, will we leave the Dark Ages behind

The Ancient Alchemists knew this but they were suppressed. Magic truly exists whether you want to call it Magic or a Miracle doesn't matter... it is the EFFECT that is important

Religion is mankinds way to ATTEMPT to explain the Magic. Because he cannot understand the MECAHNISM that creates the EFFECT, he makes up Gods.  That is the cop out way... and I have heard many a preacher answer a question by saying "It is not God's will that we understand" or "It is not ours to question the way of God"

BULLSH!T   We were given a brain to use and the questions are naturally there so I will ask them... and If I am wrong... let God strike down Noral with a bolt of Lightning....


Then somewhere along the way a few greedy SCHMUCKS figured out that Religion can be used to CONTROL the seekers, by literally putting the FEAR of God into them... the only spiritutal thing about most religions these days is the name, the rest is greed for POWER, CONTROL and GOLD

In the Viking History channel movie Ragnarok, the Viking raider asks the about to be looted Priest  "WHY does your God need gold to worship?

Good question

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continued...

errr Norval? Still there?

::)

On the other hand....

SCIENCE tends to ignore the alternative possibilities  and by doing so can NEVER come to fully understand the Universe.

Time and time again it is the eccentric inventors and researchers that come up with real answers. Eventually science grudgingly accepts these concepts but it is a long road

Yet today Quantuum science is starting to show us that Magic is indeed real and that the old Alchemists seeking transmutation were not so far off after all

Clarke's Three Laws

1 When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2 The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3 Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher (1788 – 1860)


Since the Universe works at both levels, until we begin to realize that we need the spiritual powers along side the physical powers to make a whole

We are a LONG WAY for reaching that goal on this old Marble

Yes Big Guy, still here. Oh, and so is Noral, who ever that is.  ;D

What ever God you were thinking of didn't strike me either.  8)

Just preparing what I hope will be a good response for my final post in this thread.  8)

Agreed, Herr Zorgon... the principles outlined in the "Secret" are the same as those utilized in the Art Magick, i.e. using desire and will to create reality...I have studied both for quite some time now, and thanks to you, have also delved into the Rosea Crucius...

the western world has lost touch with spirit... and they wonder why everything surrounding them looks, smells, and is nothing but feces...


seeker

There are different scripters that say to test god.just as a son is o test his father.and as all sin is ignorance and as so is forgivable.we should test the "magic ".if for no other reason than to see the science behind it.
I am not some religious nut but.there are things i still dont comprehend in the real world.

Pray in a closet by yourself and on third day usually have an answer.
Lose something.say reach reach reach.usually find it within minutes.

Quote from: the seeker on January 30, 2014, 12:35:17 AM
the western world has lost touch with spirit... and they wonder why everything surrounding them looks, smells, and is nothing but feces...

Interesting summation LOL

Quote from: Norval on January 30, 2014, 12:20:42 AM
Yes Big Guy, still here. Oh, and so is Noral, who ever that is.  ;D

LOL maybe your god made me miss that letter :D

QuoteJust preparing what I hope will be a good response for my final post in this thread.  8)

Just spit it out :D  We don't really toss lightning bolts here :D

Most "aware" people in the world today are just waiting for the "other shoe to drop". They, those awake and aware, all "feel", or see and accept some evidence that points to "something big" about to happen. I also admit that it could still be a few years off. But, it could also be happening right now.

Yes, "advanced technologies" would seem to be magic, or miracles, to a less advanced society. That is a proven fact. Our level of advanced technology now allows us to see quite clearly the "foot prints" throughout history of the ET presence. The conspiracy to keep this a secret is a joke. Yet, it also serves it's purpose. Mankind, each and every one that has ever lived, had to be tested. Why? Because we are all individuals and given not just a brain to question and figure things out, but the free will to act as we want. That "testing" is about over. How can I know this?

When mankind has reached the level of technology, as we now have, we are able to recognize ETs throughout history, and they know it. All the mythologies, religions, folklore, legends and tales have been hiding the interactions of the ETs with mankind.

Some of us now know better. Some of us have found the hidden document from ET that has been under our noses for thousands of years that explains it all. It was just religionized to hide it.

Yes, The World Is Building Up To Something, , , , , , , , DISCLOSURE.

It will not come from governments, it wont come from the ET's hiding amongst mankind that were thrown down to the earth, all eyes will be able to see a one thousand five hundred mile big object called the Heavenly New Jerusalem.

This concludes my participation in this thread.  :)

There is ONE THING contained in the SECRET

...that IF the SECRET is indeed true and manifestation through believe is indeed a fact...

...then it follows logically that the Tibetan inscription must also be true...

"A Thousand Monks; A Thousand Religions"

You CANNOT believe in the Power of Attraction and not accept that EVERYONE can create their own reality... whether we share it with them or merely observe

So based on that any and every God that people manifest would be real FOR THEM

The problem comes when ONE person insists that THEIR manifestation is right for everyone

Perhaps when people realize the folly of that... we might actually get down to business

Image what we could do with the SECRET if people used that knowledge and power properly

Those you call the Cabal and the Illuminati have done this for centuries if not millenniums

THAT is why the SECRET was made a SECRET in the first place... can't be letting the SHEEP get hold of such concepts :D

Quote from: zorgon on January 26, 2014, 04:03:53 AM
Buzzards need to eat too :P Stop making babies when you can't feed the ones you already have or yourself...

Your plan would fail for the same reason Rome did, and like Rome you could never get everyone in the world to follow it... so there will always be those barbarians on the outside waiting for sloth and apathy to set in to your free everything robot controlled utopia

Human is as Human does :D

Huh?  "Follow" WHAT?  All are free to do as They please without starvation, oppression, wage/debt slavery or profiteering.

Geez.  You make it sound as if We must FORCE People to do what They want to do.

Quote from: Norval on January 30, 2014, 01:11:00 AM

Yes, The World Is Building Up To Something, , , , , , , , DISCLOSURE.

It will not come from governments, it wont come from the ET's hiding amongst mankind that were thrown down to the earth, all eyes will be able to see a one thousand five hundred mile big object called the Heavenly New Jerusalem.

Hi Norval,

I might have missed an introduction, so first let me say hello and Welcome.

I for one am very interested in your thoughts about all of this,
as I am sure many of us here on Peggy have interest.

We here on PRC do not always agree, well actually I can say
we all have different ideas on everything! Yet that is what
makes us so special, we can discuss all of this and we still
get along.

With that said, please feel free to start a thread on this,
I am especially intererested in the New Jerusalem part
of your thoughts.

Dont let Zorgon rile ya up, he love to fun us.

:)

As to unexpected change, I am hopeful about the E-Cat technology.

I'm on a blog list with some Ph.D's who keep up with the situation daily.  You have the mainstream academics running around with their fingers in their ears while repeating the same tired nonsense over and over about 'scams', etc.

At the same time, there are real engineers and scientists in Italy, Sweden and the US moving forward with replications.  There is also a venture capital firm (Cherokee) now backing one group.

In short, it starts to look like the "Wright Brothers" all over again.  I hope.

Quote from: Eighthman on January 30, 2014, 02:28:42 PM
As to unexpected change, I am hopeful about the E-Cat technology.

The problem with that is that some people created great expectations about it, but we are still waiting for their "working system" to be proven as working. :)

Nor has Mr. Rossi allowed the E-Cat to be even peer tested or peer reviewed.  After all these years and it still being unable to stand up to even modest scrutiny, it tells me it's simply not functional as described.  An interesting idea that just never panned out as functional.

Sorry guys, but Rossi's E-cat was debunked a few years ago by some engineers reports in the New Energy Times. I posted several times on that ::)

But there are several 'free energy' projects that we are working on that show much more promise. Eighthman if you are interested in this, you will have to become a member of the Inventor's Group, if you are interested? Just PM me ;)

There are many alternatives like HHO, fusion, magnet power, radiant energy collectors, and even solid-state 'overunity' generators. We have the technology 8)

What we are experiencing is the Quickening ;)
It is my intention to start monitoring the Schumann resonance 24/7 and correlating this with other groups doing similar research......

Rossi's  Nickel-H2 technology is the hands of other scientists and engineers.  He had backing from Italian scientists such as Focardi and Piantelli.

A venture capital group named Cherokee (including a millionaire named Thomas Darden) is trying to build out the technology in connection with the Chinese.  Defkalion did a whole live streaming demo some months back which I watched.  Brillioun is most likely to create a working utility with it.

Im with pwm on this.we have gone in depth with it and my money is on ecat being a scam.

I guess you deserve an explanation :)

He based his energy calculations on turning all the water into steam, dry steam.

But he wouldn't let anyone see the outlet, which went conveniently into a drain.

Nor was the temp of the steam measured, normal 'steam' that you get from a kettle at 99.9 degrees is mostly water droplets, not real steam (which is invisible, not like kettle steam).

Now to heat the water just a few more degrees to get REAL steam takes 7 times more energy.

So Rossi's calculations could be out by a factor of 7 :o

He had the huge electric heaters running right through the experiment, i saw the current diagrams, it was using just as much juice as it was putting out, maybe 7 times more in view of the above statement.

If we can get to measure the volume, flow-rate, AND the temperature of the 'steam' then we will have a much clearer picture.

Given Rossi's scandalous past enterprises, i'm sorry but i don't think it's going anywhere.

Besides, we have something MUCH better, and it WORKS ;D

http://www.brillouinenergy.com/

Again, this technology is not simply "Rossi's".  Defkalion is building it out.  Brillouin is building it out. Industrial Heat, LLC has bought rights to it and has Darden's ($) backing. And again, Rossi had backing from real University physics professors in Italy.

In one demonstration, the reaction chamber was observed to be incandescently yellow. 

Irving Langmuir discovered an odd heat reaction with atomic hydrogen (i.e. not h2) about 70 years ago that could melt tungsten. I see this current claim (involving Nickel) as part of that anomaly. This anomaly is something J. Naudin has also experimented with.

I feel the effect is real but a practical powerplant needs to be built.

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on February 01, 2014, 12:30:53 AM
Besides, we have something MUCH better, and it WORKS ;D

yeah we use steam engines to make electricity all the time :D  but use nuke fuel to boil the water :D

No water needed, except a few drops for fuel :D

We're talking direct conversion from fusing plasma into electricity ;D

Nickel may have it's uses as a catalyst, but again, it's not really needed, poisonous stuff Nickel :P

This is wandering off topic, there are plenty of free energy ideas to go round, still more peeps are looking for it. I've been researching this for 30 years ;)

You will find that a lot of very clever scammers have jumped on the bandwagon as well, and it is our duty as a serious research group, to separate the gold from the poop :D

By all means continue your research Eighthman, i'm not so narrow minded as to completely deny anything, but i want to see links, text, diagrams & tech reports.
We can run this into a 50-page debate if you want :)
And please try New Energy Times (http://news.newenergytimes.net/) for good, informative, and detailed reports on this tech.............................

Ill take Jay Lenos Stanley Steamer over a Prius anyday!

As for how something is coming, remember, this cycle has taken place more than once, and what is coming, has likely already happened before.

Why no languages and writings proper in the megaliths one will ask?
Because, as we are shifting towards, there is no need for books, and such physical devices, when all of mans knowledge is being placed in cyberspace more each day...

...when we finally reach the stage our forefathers of the prediluvial civilizations were at, there will be no need for any of that, and when all the cataclysms come a callin once more, all will be lost save a tiny esoteric fragment....which we built todays humanity upon.

So, yeah, thats coming.

Quote from: Littleenki on February 02, 2014, 01:34:48 AM
...when we finally reach the stage our forefathers of the prediluvial civilizations were at, there will be no need for any of that, and when all the cataclysms come a callin once more, all will be lost save a tiny esoteric fragment....which we built todays humanity upon.

Should we make backups of Pegasus in stone? ;)

FOCLMAO, , , , , just picturing ArMaP (the avatar) with a hammer and chisel , , , ,   ;D

Quote from: ArMaP on February 02, 2014, 02:06:15 AM
Should we make backups of Pegasus in stone? ;)

Sure, it would last longer! Now to find three square miles of flat stone...Zorgon has a lot of backup!

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-concerned-growing-boycott-threat-210244978.html

Potentially, this is a very positive development.  Either a two state solution or 'one man one vote' emerges.

If this situation gets fixed, what's left as to standing causes for war between nations? A few island problems with China and not much else.  Civil wars elsewhere. 

So, maybe we're making some Aliens a bit happier with our fractious globe. 

There will NEVER be real peace between the Palestinians and Israel, for the same reason there will NEVER be real peace between the radical muslims and the rest of the world. Besides that, the Israelis are here to stay, as they are God's people, like it or not.

It is really a crazy situation, wherein the Palestinians really do very little if anything in a positive way for the world. Conversely, Israel is a highly recognized contributor to many areas of accomplishment and technology advances that provide extreme benefits to the rest of the world. As a country they are so small, and yet are able to do so much! And they do this even while being in major conflict situations with several of the muslim world countries.

There will be a point when the world will get to "clearly see" once again, that the hand of God is upon His people, and that He is with them!!

"they are God's people"

I'm guessing this isn't intended as satire.....

Quote from: rdunk on February 02, 2014, 10:26:34 PM
There will NEVER be real peace between the Palestinians and Israel, for the same reason there will NEVER be real peace between the radical muslims and the rest of the world. Besides that, the Israelis are here to stay, as they are God's people, like it or not.

Ummmm...  Okaaaaaay....

QuoteIt is really a crazy situation, wherein the Palestinians really do very little if anything in a positive way for the world. Conversely, Israel is a highly recognized contributor to many areas of accomplishment and technology advances that provide extreme benefits to the rest of the world. As a country they are so small, and yet are able to do so much! And they do this even while being in major conflict situations with several of the muslim world countries.

Yeah, baby!  Those dirt poor Palestinians really should step up to the bat and show those rich, US supported Israelis!  What's wrong with Them???   ::)

QuoteThere will be a point when the world will get to "clearly see" once again, that the hand of God is upon His people, and that He is with them!!

Ummmm...  Okaaaaaay....

Somebodies bible thumping again.i dont think that was sarcasam.we actually have members that believe that crap.
The programing some of our members have been exposed to is pretty hard core.we usually just left them speak there peice or else they get butt hurt.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 02, 2014, 02:06:15 AM
Should we make backups of Pegasus in stone? ;)

Well maybe on Parchment... parchment can be printed on and works when the grid is down :D

we usually just left them speak there peice or else they get butt hurt.

kudo's and gold to you robo.....your tolerance is impressive.. 8)

Quote from: rdunk on February 02, 2014, 10:26:34 PM
Besides that, the Israelis are here to stay, as they are God's people, like it or not.

He can keep them :P

QuoteConversely, Israel is a highly recognized contributor to many areas of accomplishment

Well they did make THIS :D

(http://shareyourwallpapers.com/upload/wallpaper/celebrities-female/cote-de-pablo/cote-de-pablo_41fa13da.jpg)

::) :P


(https://scontent-a-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/q71/1450147_564950133559975_420357494_n.jpg)

QuoteBesides that, the Israelis are here to stay, as they are God's people, like it or not.

A little bias today are we. Besides, my book say Deuemlings are Gods People. LIKE it or NOT!

This is how wars start, everyone thinks their God is the one and the rest of us should bow to their feet. You may believe in any God you wish to just leave it in your heart and move on with life.

Deuemigod has spoken!

Oh no I'm going to hell because I am a somewhat artist. Repent Deuem Repent!

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 03, 2014, 12:10:24 AM
Yeah, baby!  Those dirt poor Palestinians really should step up to the bat and show those rich, US supported Israelis!  What's wrong with Them???   ::)

THIS for one.... the Palestinian Children's Army

(http://cdn.unitedwithisrael.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Palestinian_Child_Army1-300x210.png)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sDHgazV4mJA/UFmifTEaKgI/AAAAAAAABt0/rwwXjyVfdfM/s640/palestinian_children_guns.jpg)

So naturally the israeli's who stole their homes return in kind...

(http://displacedpalestinians.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/jewish-settler-kids-guns1.jpg%3Fw%3D385%26h%3D400)

OH  And the next time you hear about how us bad Americans are killing kids in Afghanistan... remember this picture

Afghanistan Taliban training camp

(http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/04/26/1226630/226344-kids-with-guns.jpg)

Only solution to the Middle East problem (it's been at war since before Jesus popped in)...

(http://www.tsarbomba.org/images/tsar%20bom%20explosion.jpg)

... and let the various versions of God sort it out :D

Quote from: deuem on February 03, 2014, 02:29:43 AM
Deuemigod has spoken!

HEY We can start a Religion :D

or we could join up with the Raelians :D

:)) Very funny for some now!! Not so funny at some point!

But on the more serious side of other known facts, the global Islamic population is about 1.4 billion, or about 20%+ of the world's population. In total the Islamic population has received 8 Nobel Prizes. 

The global Jewish population is 14 million, or about 0.02% of the world population. In total the Jewish population has received166Nobel Prizes.

There are a number of links that discuss those points. Here is just one (yes, it is a Jewish site :) ):

http://www.thejidf.org/2010/01/jewish-nobel-prize-winner-vs-islamic.html

Quote from: zorgon on February 03, 2014, 02:42:14 AM
HEY We can start a Religion :D

or we could join up with the Raelians :D

Of course, anyone can start a religion, and you should do that in a way to appropriately qualify for all of the existing tax benefits provided for religious institutions and ministers. Of course, you will need some formal basis for your religious approach, and also should expect the know-nothing lemmings to follow right along!

For instance, you could give recognition to the godly Ferret as your supreme being, and worship god Ferret only during the night-time, as the night is when the ferret is generally more active.   :)) :)) :)) And your Ferret religion could be just as good in the end as are most of the other made-up "religions"! :)

I dont believe in good and evil .just knowledge and ignorance.
So if all sin is ignorance and ignorance is forgivable .then to all the ignorant folk out there .your sins are forgiven.so says GOD robomont.

Top that  god deuem.

Maybe it is time for the award to be handed out by another group. Seems one sided No? If the Jewish population runs the media, Who do you think is going to win? I don't see many Chinese on your list.

Deuem should win a Nobel Prize, yea, I like that! Professor Spectrial Cartographer of the year.

South park said only the mormons are getting in.lol.

Ever since olbummer got one .its tainted.now i dont want one.
If anybody deserves one  though its you deuem.one of the shining lights of pegasus.

Quote from: rdunk on February 03, 2014, 02:50:18 AM
The global Jewish population is 14 million, or about 0.02% of the world population. In total the Jewish population has received166Nobel Prizes.

That is a biased award... usually all the awards are war related and GOLD  and who do we know that Worships GOLD and WAR?

::)

Heck they gave Obama one of those

Quote from: robomont on February 03, 2014, 03:07:00 AM
I dont believe in good and evil .just knowledge and ignorance.
So if all sin is ignorance and ignorance is forgivable .then to all the ignorant folk out there .your sins are forgiven.so says GOD robomont.

Top that  god deuem.

Hear me, oh Robo of the deep, Ignorance is a blessing in our world. Having knowledge only leads one to trouble and infadelity. I want the Sheep to be stupid and follow my lead. Go right, go left, lay down. Ah the power is in the commands.  Only the knowledgable people sin. they are the ones that need to be dumbed down. Your own gobermint is the leading example of this dumb down. They are in my worship and will be rewarded in the end.

Remember, Knowledge is power, power creates problems so the ignorant never get into trouble, they just follow blindly as it shoud be. Your sins are never forgiven, I have the Sin book right on my desk and there is a large chapter for you waiting for the bill to be paid off.

Deuemigod has spoken.

This is a joke for those of you who might think it was real but donations will be taken at the door.
Your turn Robo God, Top that.

As a follow-up to reply #92.......during the period of 1901-2009 a total of 537 Nobel Prizes have been awarded. So, many people in many different countries have won the prize.

Yes, the one won by our President was not one of our most honored recipients. :(

Quote from: robomont on February 03, 2014, 03:12:03 AM
If anybody deserves one  though its you deuem.one of the shining lights of pegasus.

OK, Deuemigod has just lifted your sin bail to zero, you are now free again. Travel in peace!

Its fun being a god....

Quote from: zorgon on February 03, 2014, 02:38:48 AM
THIS for one.... the Palestinian Children's Army

(http://cdn.unitedwithisrael.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Palestinian_Child_Army1-300x210.png)

Wonder how They built those all by Themselves...  I mean, SURELY no one trying to incite shyte is arming them...

Quote from: rdunk on February 03, 2014, 02:50:18 AM
:)) Very funny for some now!! Not so funny at some point!

But on the more serious side of other known facts, the global Islamic population is about 1.4 billion, or about 20%+ of the world's population. In total the Islamic population has received 8 Nobel Prizes. 

The global Jewish population is 14 million, or about 0.02% of the world population. In total the Jewish population has received166Nobel Prizes.

There are a number of links that discuss those points. Here is just one (yes, it is a Jewish site :) ):

http://www.thejidf.org/2010/01/jewish-nobel-prize-winner-vs-islamic.html

Oh, no doubt there is no favoritism or other shenanigans going on with these prizes, so it MUST be a valid measure!  I mean, Obama has done a MARVELOUS job in promoting peace that He got the peace prize, for example.  (Hey, Let's bomb Syria for peace!!!)

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 03, 2014, 03:27:41 AM
Wonder how They built those all by Themselves...  I mean, SURELY no one trying to incite shyte is arming them...

Those guns look like the Chinese built plastic BB guns. My kid has one. The magazine is full of plastic BBs that load up to 10 and then you pull the clip and refill the load chamber. You can shot it all day on a full chamber. The kids here are now putting little holes in everything that moves. Target pratice Chinese style. Shoot a chicken in the butt and see what happens. Yes chickens can fly...I would have used it on a few roosters the other day but they were locked up. Wake Deuem up at 3 am and your dinner tonight. lol Cock a doodle do on my dinner plate big mouth.

Ps, Once a rooster starts to crow it is time to eat him or let him be the king of the barn yard. That is the time clue for anyone who does not know. After they crow they start to get tough to eat. So the first crow is a death sentence for most of them.

Deuem

, , , , how to thrash and trash a thread 101, , , , impressive.  :P

Not intentional norval but the thread had basically died anyway.if you are offended we can go back and delete our post.you just witnessed one of our god fights.
I want to personalky apologize for being unprofessional.i bow to your wisdom o great NORVAL.

yeah it's a great way to get folks to join, ain't it..? :-X

Quote from: zorgon on February 03, 2014, 02:24:01 AM
Well they did make THIS :D

(http://shareyourwallpapers.com/upload/wallpaper/celebrities-female/cote-de-pablo/cote-de-pablo_41fa13da.jpg)

::) :P

Cote de Pablo is from Chile.

Quote from: rdunk on February 03, 2014, 02:50:18 AM
:)) Very funny for some now!! Not so funny at some point!

But on the more serious side of other known facts, the global Islamic population is about 1.4 billion, or about 20%+ of the world's population. In total the Islamic population has received 8 Nobel Prizes. 

The global Jewish population is 14 million, or about 0.02% of the world population. In total the Jewish population has received166Nobel Prizes.

There are a number of links that discuss those points. Here is just one (yes, it is a Jewish site :) ):

http://www.thejidf.org/2010/01/jewish-nobel-prize-winner-vs-islamic.html

Great. The Jewish 'Question' confuses me.

We have the so-called 'anti-semites' and the 'Protocols' indicating we are ruled by a bunch of fake Jews, and yet this is vehemently denied by all officials... And yet, statistically, the Jews are most cusrious in every aspect... Does anyone here have any wise input on the matter?

Quote from: deuem on February 03, 2014, 03:22:02 AM

Remember, Knowledge is power.

Neh, application of knowledge is power.

@ Robo - Of course there's good an evil.
    I feel it when I hold a baby kitten and I realise I have the power to end that kittens life...
    but a little fuzz ball of emotion in my gut tells me  thats... Evil  :P

Quote from: Norval on February 03, 2014, 03:48:20 AM
, , , , how to thrash and trash a thread 101, , , , impressive.  :P

I guess ya got to get to know how this place works. At a certain point in some threads if it has been played out, everyone will start to play within it to drum up ideas and thoughts. From this play area many thoughts and ideas come out and this brings new threads to life. Many threads get split also.
It is what peggy does best.

We all like to think outloud and play. No play makes life boring. Try and sit at my computer for countless hours looking at frames one at a time and you go bonkers. But in the end this is still the best forum around and we all get along very well and get things done.
              No playing the mind grows old quick.

Deuem

I think the rather sizeable accomplishments of the Jewish people tell us something important about belief.

On the one hand, science seems to tell us that we are seeing an amazing fraud: that genetically, modern day Jews are descended from European females and people of the Caucasus.  The Palestinians may generally be far and away more "Semitic" by descent - and possibly, more closely related to 1st century Jews anyway.

OTOH, there are these undeniable achievements - based on this belief about being 'God's chosen people'.
Belief can be powerful.

Norval, I think the name of the thread lends to its ambiguity...something is gonna happen, but on PRC, we never know what that will be until fifty pages of other stuff!

Quote from: Eighthman on February 03, 2014, 01:30:38 PM
'God's chosen people'.
Belief can be powerful.

That's an interesting aspect.

Quote from: Norval on January 30, 2014, 01:11:00 AM
Some of us now know better. Some of us have found the hidden document from ET that has been under our noses for thousands of years that explains it all. It was just religionized to hide it.

Yes, The World Is Building Up To Something, , , , , , , , DISCLOSURE.

It will not come from governments, it wont come from the ET's hiding amongst mankind that were thrown down to the earth, all eyes will be able to see a one thousand five hundred mile big object called the Heavenly New Jerusalem.

This concludes my participation in this thread.  :)

As I concluded my participation in this thread with that, and a comment about ArMaP (his avatar) using a hammer and chisel, then chided yah all about thrashing and trashing, I suppose I should say a bit more.

There were some great bits of information here and there in several of the posts. There were also some extremist rants, to say the least, will this chase me away? No

But as the wise Otter pointed out, it was in the open public area.

Even though I am a Bible Thumper I am NOT religious, nor am I what many call spiritual, I hope that I am knowledgeable.

And, I still think DISCLOSURE will come from above, not from down here.  ;D

Quote from: Norval on February 03, 2014, 03:38:20 PM

Even though I am a Bible Thumper I am NOT religious, nor am I what many call spiritual, I hope that I am knowledgeable.

And, I still think DISCLOSURE will come from above, not from down here.  ;D

Just curious, Norval; which edition (translation) of the Bible do you thump? I have read several, including the Eastern Orthodox version, and George Lamsas' direct translation from Aramaic...


seeker

I think Judeo-Christianity exists because of the fallacy of the excluded middle: either you believe in Jesus (or Moses) or you're an awful person going to hell.  And if you follow C.S. Lewis, you can't have a lunatic spouting wisdom and self sacrifice that changes the human race for the better. That's not how crazy people work.

However, if these faiths were set up by Aliens - that gives you a middle position that is otherwise denied or missed completely. Set up by a higher intelligence but not flawless - intended as a stepping stone, a workaround.

If these faiths have fulfilled their (Alien) purpose of directing human history in a particular way, then I wonder what comes next?

I once read "religion" is classic animal training.  One man training another to submit, obey, how to think, what to think, how to act, to do this, to not do that.  Have to say there seems to be a fair bit of truth to that.  It is behavior modification.

You read and interpreted correctly, WarToad....gold!

Quote from: ArMaP on February 03, 2014, 09:20:58 AM
Cote de Pablo is from Chile.

WOW  LOL ya got me  I was fooled by Ziva David :D  DANG!!!! I must be getting old

DANG!!!! I must be getting old

happens to the best of us...or is that worst of us cause the good die young
i can't remember  anymore.....bwhahahahahahahah

Quote from: Norval on February 03, 2014, 03:48:20 AM
, , , , how to thrash and trash a thread 101, , , , impressive.  :P

The thread title here is "The World Is Building Up To Something"

SOMETHING  kinda covers EVERYTHING  :P

When we have a specific title on a topic we tend to enforce staying on topic. As Deuem says once a topic has run its course and there is no more to add. it tends to wander. That is the way of forums. If the new direction is worthy  we split it off  if not the thread will usually fizzle and fade

But when the topic is vague, it might go anywhere

Making a statement that 'something' is going to happen is stupid :P  because then anything that happens you can say "see? told ya something was gonna happen"

::)

if the thread is predominantly about religion it usually gets moved to the religious section which is NOT open to public viewing and you have to request to participate

Quote from: Norval on February 03, 2014, 03:38:20 PM
As I concluded my participation in this thread with that, and a comment about ArMaP (his avatar) using a hammer and chisel, then chided yah all about thrashing and trashing, I suppose I should say a bit more.

Yeah ya can't just drop a bomb and run :P  That is the problem with any discussion about religion or politics... no one can just make a point and be done  :D It's hu-mon nature

QuoteThere were some great bits of information here and there in several of the posts. There were also some extremist rants, to say the least, will this chase me away? No

Religion as I have said many times is a PERSONAL QUEST  each person ultimately finds their own path.  Since hu-mons are social creatures and basically a herd animal (hence sheeple that the churches tend their flocks), they basically feel the need to share their path with others

Religion is a control mechanism  nothing more. It is simply a tool used by some with strong will to literally force others to follow them by creating a 'fear of god' in them that there will be a punishment if they don't believe

The Jews, Muslim and Christians all follow the SAME GOD.... while people at the common level will rarely ackowledge this you will not find ONE bible scholr of any of those three faiths that will deny it... as it is FACT.  The only difference is in the INTERPRETATION and which 'version' they have adopted

Between each of those three Abrahamic religions there are no over a THOUSAND versions  and they are all fighting with each other over which one is the 'TRUTH'

Martin Luther invented the Protestant version because he refused to accept the Christian fear monger concept of HELL

Actually Lutherism is likely the best version for Jesus followers :D

He strongly disputed the claim that freedom from God's punishment for sin could be purchased with monetary values Luther taught that salvation and subsequently eternity in heaven is not earned by good deeds but is received only as a free gift of God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ as redeemer from sin and subsequently eternity in Hell. His theology challenged the authority of the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church by teaching that the Bible is the only source of divinely revealed knowledge from God and opposed sacerdotalism by considering all baptized Christians to be a holy priesthood. Those who identify with these, and all of Luther's wider teachings, are called Lutherans even though Luther insisted on Christian as the only acceptable name for individuals who professed Christ.

Oddly enough Martin Luther was also a Rosicrucian, though many modern Lutherans will argue that LOL  here is Luther's "Rosy cross"

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1717/1584/400/Cruce%20Rosea.1.jpg)

Sir Francis Bacon also a Rosicrucian gave us the final version of the King James Bible

So the more you look  the more we see how it has all been manipulated over the centuries

QuoteBut as the wise Otter pointed out, it was in the open public area.

Yup sometimes you need a little controversy to reel in the rubes :P

QuoteEven though I am a Bible Thumper I am NOT religious, nor am I what many call spiritual, I hope that I am knowledgeable.

So yeah WHICH version do YOU thump?  To me the ONLY true version of the Bible would be the original ARAMAIC version  and they have one I saw recently  But even that one is not the original, just as close as we can get

IMO any other version rom either the Jews, the Muslim or the Christians has been so tainted with edits and interpretations that they are effectively useless beyond a curiosity factor

QuoteAnd, I still think DISCLOSURE will come from above, not from down here.  ;D

There will be no disclosure in our lifetime, neither from above nor below

Quote from: Sinny on February 03, 2014, 11:02:20 AM
Great. The Jewish 'Question' confuses me.

The Jewish 'Question' confuses the Jews :P

Few people pay attention to anything outside their preconceived biases

Look at the Muslim world...  most Americans either tolerate them or want to eradicate them, yet within their own Islamic sects they are fighting to eradicate each other. The main two factions of Islam are Sunni and Shia. There are hundreds of smaller groups, some moderate some radical, but the two main ones have been at war with each other for thousands of years

Sunnis against Shias: a strategic absurdity

The Middle East is in the grip of a war neither side can win. The conflict in the region between Sunnis and Shias, from Lebanon to Iraq, is a strategic absurdity, which makes the death toll even more tragic than it would otherwise be.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/05/editorial-comment-middle-east-sunni-shia

On the Christian front we have Catholics and Protestant, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses and a hundred more variations. Remember the wars in Ireland between Catholics and Protestants? All that death in the name of the same god

In WWII The Brits had the slogan "God Save the Queen", the Americans, "In God We Trust" and the Germans "Got Mit Uns" (God with us)

So WHOSE side was God on?

::)

And the Jewish Question?

Zionist vs Orthodox are the main feuds though modern Judaism also has many 'versions' or sects

But listen to the Orthodox views... I myself was quite surprised to hear them so outspoken AGAINST the state of Israel that the Zionists created

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IapWP8hq9Mc

I have had a lot of contact with the Orthodox jews in the Gem trade... found them all to be very nice and able to discuss religion in a sane way  :D

Jews United Agianst Zionism
WHY ORTHODOX JEWS ARE OPPOSED TO A ZIONIST STATE
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm


So with all these factions in three major religions that all came from the ONE god that was created from the more ancient beliefs (Sumerian, etc) that all technically worship some Alien beings 'not of this earth' (ergo true ET :P)  is it any wonder that people today are TOTALLY confused?


Even Buddhism has many factions today, though the Bon tradition (Tibetan) traces its roots to the same Pre Persian locations :D

QuoteYes, the one won by our President was not one of our most honored recipients.

Just goes to show that if you invade enough countries, they give you a Nobel Peace prize, cool 8)

QuoteThe magazine is full of plastic BBs that load up to 10 and then you pull the clip and refill the load chamber. You can shot it all day on a full chamber. The kids here are now putting little holes in everything that moves

YES i used to have one, those and the spud guns, LOL

Aah, memories... ::)

Yep, chickens can fly, seen it a few times ;D

Quoteyou just witnessed one of our god fights

and not a lightning bolt in sight :P

Yes sorry Norval, we weren't intentionally derailing this thread, just adding some humour to it.

On a more somber note, i have felt great disturbances in the force, for want of a better way of explaining it ::) Things are happening, you can just FEEL it!

QuoteWe have the so-called 'anti-semites' and the 'Protocols' indicating we are ruled by a bunch of fake Jews, and yet this is vehemently denied by all officials... And yet, statistically, the Jews are most cusrious in every aspect... Does anyone here have any wise input on the matter?

Yes, you have 2 types of jews; The orthodox ones that have curls, wear black & have a very strange religion, the Kaballah (or something like that?), and they keep pretty much to themselves.
I met these peeps, even worked for them ;)

And you have the Zionists, which are men in suits, fanatics, very smart, and bent on CONTROL.
They HATE all other religions, and want to see them wiped out.

Hope that answers your question?

QuoteMany threads get split also.

Yes, if a topic that is not the OP starts to dominate a thread, the mods can always split it, that happens now & then.....

QuoteWe all like to think outloud and play. No play makes life boring.

Eggzactly, freind Deuem :)

QuoteMaking a statement that 'something' is going to happen is stupid   because then anything that happens you can say "see? told ya something was gonna happen"

...and that makes for a very open, interesting thread!

As usual, Z nailed it in his last 2 posts ;D

ETA; I hope the 'nail' reference isn't upsetting any christians!

Quote from: zorgon on February 03, 2014, 07:42:12 PM

, , , ,  that all technically worship some Alien beings 'not of this earth' (ergo true ET :P) 

Something wonderful is going to happen, , , ,

Concerning which "Bible", , , , , as asked by Seeker and Zorgon, , ,
In english I have well over a dozen translations on the shelves, and the data base I use has several more besides those. I also have access to the American Bible Society and United Bible Societies data bases and research as needed. I "thump" them all.

Thrash and trash "religions" all yah want, , , I do.  ;D

When it comes to what the ancient writings have to offer, I accept what is stated in the Bibles as an Exopolitical Document, NOT religious.  :P

QuoteWhen it comes to what the ancient writings have to offer, I accept what is stated in the Bibles as an Exopolitical Document, NOT religious.

Yes, many of us feel the same.....talk to Matrix or Undo11 :D

Quote from: Norval on February 03, 2014, 08:25:15 PM

Something wonderful is going to happen, , , ,

When it comes to what the ancient writings have to offer, I accept what is stated in the Bibles as an Exopolitical Document, NOT religious.  :P

Well, most here know that my belief, and the belief of most of the other 2 billion Christians around the world, is that the words in the Bible are God's given words to man. So...the Bible is the word of God for man.

Regarding the different translations of the Bible, the most literal translations are best, and Young's is one of the best. But, some of the more modern (living) translations are a little easier for many people to understand.

Actually, the King James translation is very close to the Young's literal translation. Some of the later modern translations are more progressive leaning, and do downplay and/or even ignore some of the miraculous of the Word.   

I think this is what sets us apart from many other sites, Rdunk.

We each have our own beliefs, and can share them, dispute them, uphold them.
we discuss them openly & honestly, which seems taboo on many other sites  ::)

I'm just amazed that, given our diversity, we get along so well :o

"Good vibes" is one reason, "respect for all" is another.
A genuine interest in the other person's viewpoint is also desirable and we seem to have that, as well.

Makes for a relaxed environment for pondering the conundrums of existence, LOL

Well said PWM! I agree! Religion of some type is a significant part the daily life of most people on this Earth - not all, but by far most. So, to totally ignore it completely when having general discussions about matters of life, on forums like this, or at any place, would leave some vacancy in the totality of thought on many subjects.

It is most likely that most religious thought will experience some impact if and when full disclosure occurs. So, do we just ignore all religion thought on a forum such as this until such time someone says with fact "aliens do exist here and elsewhere"??

It is good that religion is not totally ignored here, even though it is pretty well secluded to the Religious Cave! :) Of course there will always be a disconnect between the different religions, and also between this who have a religious belief and those who do not. And the world will continue to go around even so! :)

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on February 03, 2014, 08:10:25 PM
ETA; I hope the 'nail' reference isn't upsetting any christians!

It shouldn't :P It was a Roman thing :P

Indeed!

QuoteReligion of some type is a significant part the daily life of most people on this Earth - not all, but by far most. So, to totally ignore it completely when having general discussions about matters of life, on forums like this, or at any place, would leave some vacancy in the totality of thought on many subjects.

I would like to tell a small story on that, if i may;

I was born & raised a hard,  old facts scientist.
OK so the only letters i can now put after my name is MBM or Machine Builder Mechatronics, LOL

By no means a 'PHD' but i learned in the hard school of LIFE....

I am the classical 'geek', but given this wonderous new comms medium, the NET, i can comunicate, at laaaast

Now, having survived several NDE's , hauntings, psychic attacks, and other phenomenon i am very inclined to agree with you that 'MAN' has a 'spirit' (albeit a very weak one :) )

I have travelled that astral plane, faster than light when i analysed my memories (!) and it scared the poop out of me, but at the same time, held a great attraction for me ;)

I realise that all peeps need to believe in something, but it never occurs to them to beleive in themselves, aaargh, what a WASTE!

OK so i'm part Jedi Force (shao-lin at any rate :P ) and partly Buhddist... :P

Are we stil freinds?

I think so, because we, above all, have the utmost respect for each other as hu-mons, and we are all together in the same mud ball boat.
There, i have pontificated again, and i promised myself to stop doing it.... :P

Quote from: rdunk on February 03, 2014, 08:58:40 PM
Regarding the different translations of the Bible, the most literal translations are best, and Young's is one of the best. But, some of the more modern (living) translations are a little easier for many people to understand.

Literal translations do not always work. This is a key point and that is the REASON that there are thousands of versions of the 'Word' of god.  As I recall you yourself do not accept that the Jews, Muslim and Christians all follow the same god yet you, unlike most 'normal' Christians defend Israel as the "God's Chosen" 

So no we are not sure exactly on your version of belief :D

If I write "That is a hot car" and a thousand years from now someone reads that WITHOUT CONTEXT, what did I mean LITERALLY?

It could be

1) The car is literally hot to the touch
2) The car is stolen
3) The car is a popular seller (as in hot on the market)
4) The car is pretty and thus actually cool (which would really mess with future heads

So the same simple statement has FOUR distinct and separate meanings.

Take the word BOW as another example

I can stand on the bow of a ship, turn and bow to the Captain then pick up my bow and shoot the guy on the other ship :P

So NO TRANSLATION made by man can POSSIBLY be the "Word of God"

At BEST it can be an interpretation based on the bias of the person doing the transliteration. And considering the thousands of sect in the world today based on this SINGLE work and the myriads of interpretaion in English, Hebrew, Arabic etc

Sorry  not buying this 'Word of God" poop "D

No offence but its not for my path

OK, so 'something' isn't good enough. Let's talk about possible specifics:

1) Small Disclosure - they find a fungus/lichen on Mars

2) Big Disclosure - the fungus is held by a smiling Alien

3) Worldwide Depression - pretty much a given, at this point.  Notice how the mainstream media won't say the word.  They're all a bunch of cheerleaders with their team down by several touchdowns and seconds left on the clock .

4) Free Energy - I think some form of LENR is the leading contender, along with the Princeton fusion  thing.

5) Collapse of North Korea - if South Korea has any sense, they will run away from this possibility. Reunification would be a horror story for them.

6) Secession of some part of the US - Texas? Vermont?  The only way to avoid this is more nullification - which is growing. The mainstream media won't talk about it either.

7) some kind of Israel-Palestine deal - this one will happen for sure eventually. Demographics say so.

There, i have pontificated again, and i promised myself to stop doing it....  

why  ;D ................ like you said

we are all together in the same mud ball boat.


I realise that all peeps need to believe in something, but it never occurs to them to beleive in themselves, aaargh, what a WASTE!

that's because we have been told soo many times we need to look outside ouf ourselves
for all the important stuff...

why does that continue...cause we let it and cause the truth that we are 100% - totally responsible for ourselves..really does scare the begebers outta most

religion is the bed cover most  hide under.. from those monsters we were told were in the closet

it's not true humans..

think this guy

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on February 03, 2014, 10:14:40 PM
OK so i'm part Jedi Force (shao-lin at any rate :P ) and partly Buddhist... :P

This is why you feel at home here ;)

Tibetan Buddhists, the oldest tradition, are so close to Yoda and the Force and to Rosicrucian phylosophy that it is hard to separate...

The key point though is that EVERYONE is on their own path.  Sometimes we share paths, sometimes we cross paths, and sometimes we walk the same path for a time...

But if you cannot discuss your beliefs without getting riled up, then you should seriously examine your belief, because if it doesn't withstand the test of conversation, then is it of any value?

I was born Lutheran but started asking at an early age.  I started with local priests but soon found that all they offered was platitudes and programmed answers

Oddly enough my first two serious questions as a kid were "How many animals got on the ark" and "If Adam and Eve had two sons and If Cain killed Able, where did Cain's wife and all her people come from and how did he get away with murder?"

So finding that the priests had less answers than I did... I went higher up the chain  and I found that I could speak to Rabbis, Monsigneurs and Imam's and get real answers and NEVER ONCE  not EVER did one of these try to convert me... They simply answered my questions and invited me back anytime

I once saved a Mormon's life (not really but he thought so... I merely got him to the ski patrol but he wasn't in life threating situation yet)  As a reward he introduced me to his elders in Salt Lake. This allowed me a rare opportunity to ask questions at the inner Temple level  and to my surprise the higher echelons have a different view much closer to my own

In Tibet  a Lama once talked to an acolyte...  he pointed out over the Potala yard and said.. "See all those Monks out there turning the prayer wheels? For them that is all the religion they understand, and it is all the religion they will ever need"  When the Dalai Lama was in exile and sojourned in Toronto, I had a brief moment to meet him. Sadly I didn't get a chance for a long audience

When the Bible Thumpers come knocking at the door  try this.... ask them some pointed questions and see how they respond.  Better yet ask them to leave their material, tell them you will look it over and have them come back

Then when they return you can ask them questions  You will find that 99% of them do not know what is in their own material. Then you can send them packing and say "Don't come back until you know what your peddling" :D  Works really well  they put you on a 'do not call' list :D

No one religion holds the Keys of Heaven, nor will one be forever damned because they entered a Church with their hat on instead of taking their shoes off. In Tibet, lamaseries entrances bear the inscription "A thousand monks, a thousand religions". Believe what you will, if it embraces "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" you will get by when the final call comes.

PWM, thanks, I am glad to hear what you said! Of course, I would like to hear sometime the details of your NDE experiences. There are to many with similar and varied elements to deny the specificity of what actually happens during an NDE.

All of us have walked a different road with a different set of teachers and teaching experiences to arrive at where we are now. A respect of those individual differences is more difficult for some than for others. If we learn to work closely together, one of the outcomes we we experience is, it is those differences that tend to make the outcomes more strong!

Quote from: zorgon on February 03, 2014, 10:22:29 PM
Literal translations do not always work.

I have been doing translations to and from English, French and Portuguese, using automated translations systems to do it faster, and I can tell you that it's more like "literal translations rarely work". :)

Quote from: zorgon on February 03, 2014, 10:42:44 PM

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on February 03, 2014, 10:14:40 PM
OK so i'm part Jedi Force (shao-lin at any rate :P ) and partly Buddhist... :P

This is why you feel at home here ;)

Then why do I feel at home here? ;D

I posted this on the "Music you love" thread, but I think it also applies to this topic. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK9Mg6gXGdk

Good job 8man.back on topic with thread.herding cats can be hard.lol.
The great depression is what i would bet on.almost all currencies are headed towards hyper inflation.thus isolationism.eventually ending in feifdoms .and villages.

Where in hell is that barfing, puking, upchucking, emoticon for ArMaP's song?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?? god that was shitezing ! ! Holy freakin defacation give me a break ! !, , , ,  :'(    :o


try this  ! ! ! ! ! ! !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CqwECqxGf4

 ;D

sorry..had to


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_MaJDK3VNE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_MaJDK3VNE

what?!?!? yah couldn't find any otter hearding?! ! !  ROFL

Holy Crap.....(bites tongue)

Last time I chimed in with a cute video about religion, I was censored and told to cease and desist.....by a bible thumper.

Guess control and lording over the laity is an inherent flaw in the RELIGIDIOT psyche.

Some great minds at work in this thread, hope some of the better replies dont get censored......

Quote from: Norval on February 04, 2014, 04:17:52 AM
Where in hell is that barfing, puking, upchucking, emoticon for ArMaP's song?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?? god that was poopezing ! ! Holy freakin defacation give me a break ! !, , , ,  :'(    :o

Thanks for that, now I know how to respond to religious posts. ;D  :P

The World Is Building Up To Something....

TOO RIGHT...

ITS KILLER PENGUINS!!

killer penguins i tells ya




(http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a572/paparumbo/killerpenguin_zps06adf1fb.jpg)

Quote from: zorgon on February 03, 2014, 10:42:44 PM
This is why you feel at home here ;)

Tibetan Buddhists, the oldest tradition, are so close to Yoda and the Force and to Rosicrucian phylosophy that it is hard to separate...

The key point though is that EVERYONE is on their own path.  Sometimes we share paths, sometimes we cross paths, and sometimes we walk the same path for a time...

But if you cannot discuss your beliefs without getting riled up, then you should seriously examine your belief, because if it doesn't withstand the test of conversation, then is it of any value?

I was born Lutheran but started asking at an early age.  I started with local priests but soon found that all they offered was platitudes and programmed answers

Oddly enough my first two serious questions as a kid were "How many animals got on the ark" and "If Adam and Eve had two sons and If Cain killed Able, where did Cain's wife and all her people come from and how did he get away with murder?"

So finding that the priests had less answers than I did... I went higher up the chain  and I found that I could speak to Rabbis, Monsigneurs and Imam's and get real answers and NEVER ONCE  not EVER did one of these try to convert me... They simply answered my questions and invited me back anytime

I once saved a Mormon's life (not really but he thought so... I merely got him to the ski patrol but he wasn't in life threating situation yet)  As a reward he introduced me to his elders in Salt Lake. This allowed me a rare opportunity to ask questions at the inner Temple level  and to my surprise the higher echelons have a different view much closer to my own

In Tibet  a Lama once talked to an acolyte...  he pointed out over the Potala yard and said.. "See all those Monks out there turning the prayer wheels? For them that is all the religion they understand, and it is all the religion they will ever need"  When the Dalai Lama was in exile and sojourned in Toronto, I had a brief moment to meet him. Sadly I didn't get a chance for a long audience

When the Bible Thumpers come knocking at the door  try this.... ask them some pointed questions and see how they respond.  Better yet ask them to leave their material, tell them you will look it over and have them come back

Then when they return you can ask them questions  You will find that 99% of them do not know what is in their own material. Then you can send them packing and say "Don't come back until you know what your peddling" :D  Works really well  they put you on a 'do not call' list :D

No one religion holds the Keys of Heaven, nor will one be forever damned because they entered a Church with their hat on instead of taking their shoes off. In Tibet, lamaseries entrances bear the inscription "A thousand monks, a thousand religions". Believe what you will, if it embraces "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" you will get by when the final call comes.

I gave You gold for this, z.  WONDERFUL assessment, to which I fully ascribe.  We are all blind Humans assessing the elephant of divinity.

Agreed, Amy, Zorgon hits it right on.....poking fun and cruel ribbing are different ends of the same thing, polarity defined.

Speaking of elephants, is there a Ganesh in the house?

We need your smiling visage right about now oh pachyderm of proper personal penchants.

 :D

QuoteThe great depression is what i would bet on.almost all currencies are headed towards hyper inflation.thus isolationism.eventually ending in feifdoms .and villages

I fear Brother Robopuff may be right...

In which case, may the (use of excessive) Force be with you 8)

Quote from: robomont on February 04, 2014, 03:55:23 AM
Good job 8man.back on topic with thread.herding cats can be hard.lol.
The great depression is what i would bet on.almost all currencies are headed towards hyper inflation.thus isolationism.eventually ending in feifdoms .and villages.

Robo, All joking aside, I was thinking about inflation the other day. You know, what they tell us is the inevitable result of to much money in the system.
And again i simply just dont buy it.
People will point to Germany in the twenties etc, when you needed a wheel barrow full of notes to buy a loaf of bread....
But I see these situations as entirely manufactured to the ends of the Financial establishment.
Boom and bust, you know the familliar cycle.
Boom to introduce debt into the system, Then bust to achieve asset grab.
After all Money is not an organic entity. Its an abstract tool that we produce and can easily be manipulated.
Oh course the experts will over complicate the issue, to obsfucate the facts< (where have we heard that before).

I think there's a big story about money supply that the conspiracy theorists are missing.

There is significant suspicion and hatred of the Federal Reserve and other central banks - yet now these institutions are getting stuck with issuing debt free currency because government debt auctions are quietly failing or just not enough to prop up markets.  We may be returning to Civil War-style greenback issuance by default, whether the elite like it or not.

So far, this hasn't generated much inflation because the underlying economies are so weak.

We peons have a solution...  And it's found right here on Peggy:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?board=163.0

Quote from: Eighthman on February 04, 2014, 06:02:05 PM
There is significant suspicion and hatred of the Federal Reserve and other central banks - yet now these institutions are getting stuck with issuing debt free currency because government debt auctions are quietly failing or just not enough to prop up markets.  We may be returning to Civil War-style greenback issuance by default, whether the elite like it or not.

So far, this hasn't generated much inflation because the underlying economies are so weak.

There is another factor that may be driving this... The NEW players in the financial world...  Ebay and Amazon being the big boys with several smaller ones following suit. On the quick look it may not seem like a big deal but consider this

1) They are huge corporations that are worth BILLIONS. Pierre Morad Omidyar, owner of Ebay became a billionaire at age 31 with Ebay

Pierre Morad Omidyar (Persian?, born June 21, 1967) is a French-born Iranian American entrepreneur and philanthropist, who is the founder and chairman of the eBay auction site. He became a billionaire at the age of 31 with eBay's 1998 Initial Public Offering (IPO). Omidyar and his wife Pamela are well-known philanthropists who founded Omidyar Network in 2004 in order to expand their efforts beyond non-profits to include for-profits and public policy. Since 2010 Omidyar has been involved in online journalism as head of investigative reporting and public affairs news service Honolulu Civil Beat. In 2013, he announced he would be creating and financing First Look Media, a journalism venture to include Glenn Greenwald, Laura Poitras, and Jeremy Scahill.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Pomidyarji.jpg/800px-Pomidyarji.jpg)
Pierre Omidyar at his Las Vegas home in 2007

That was the house me and my son installed the alarm system in that started my son off on a great career (all because he had the same color Austin Mini that Omidyar had... the only two of that color in the world)

2) Ebay and Amazon run their own banking in a way as Ebay bought Paypal which has fast become THE number one way to pay and exchange money online and Amazon does it all in home (as does Etsy on a smaller scale)  Most online services and even utilities etc now accept paypal

3) Ebay and Amazon, though they do comply with IRS rules, only keep transaction records for short term. Ebay (and Paypal) keep it for 90 days and then POOF  its gone.  They allow (the IRS) you to make $20,000.00 annually WITHOUT having to report it as income... so that means you could make $60,000.00 a year from the three and not have to report it. Adding others like Craigslist where you basically sell used junk... you can start making good money almost completely OFF THE GRID. You can even leave the money in Paypal and never really deal with a bank

4) Amazon Ebay Etsy Yahoo Shops Google Shops etc have also established their own CREDIT system   Paypal with 'Bill me Later' will give you 500.00 credit almost instantly Kabbage will give you a line of credit of up to 50,000.00 based on your sales volume. They started me out with $2,700.00  Took 5 minutes to sign up

You have all heard me repeatedly pushing this method. It really DOES WORK. It is a completely (well almost) separate Barter system from the main stream banking system powered by smart people who made a fortune setting up this "We the People" network and they are also philanthropists

The thing is when you sell internationally and you are selling mostly used items... there is no tax to collect. Only if you sell new items and sell them in your own state are you obligated to collect tax but as a private person that is just liquidating stuff... it isn't an issue

Once you reach mega sales... well then your a business  but that is a long way off ($20,000 at each location) If your pulling that much loot... pay the damn taxes :P

Things like collectables are a different animal anyway....  You bought something 10 years ago so its yours... but now you sell it at 10 times what you paid  well that is technically 'capital gains' which is exempt up to $50,000 a year  then you only pay 6-10% on 50% of the remainder Not a lot at all (on $100,000 at 6% (based on income) you would only owe $1,500 in capital gains tax)

So the point is  the elite and the government are having an impossible time getting their claws into these new empires :D. They are also international companies so that gives them a huge advantage

Since I started down this path last year January my persona situation has drastically improved. I need to do more but with the medical situation I get distracted and don't post as much for sale as I should.

But even so I check my sales DAILY... and generally there is SOMETHING sold at one of the places on a daily basis

Now the BANKS   They KNOW this is the New Paradigm :P  Because when they start to see steady automatic deposits comming in from Amazon... Ebay and Etsy... they call YOU up and say "Hey Mr Schmidt... your doing pretty good... we can give you a new credit card"

So despite my at the time very low credit score, they offered me a $3.000 limit card

Why? because THEY now need a piece of MY action. They are being slowly forced to play nice (This is Wells Fargo)  The automatic deposits make it a free account  no fees....

I set my sister up with this and she has all her bills paid and her account is accumulating cash. Its slow (relatively) but steady

THIS is what is driving the new money. It IS still 'behind the scenes' but its coming

PAYPAL now issues a Paypal card you can use your cash (not a credit card) at most stores now. They offer a FREE card scanner and app that allows you to take payments from anyone's Visa etc from your smart phone.  so say you are at a fleea market selling.... you can now accept ALL bank card WITHOUT having to pay a bank service to process cards. THEY do it and the cash goes straight to your account (minus their transaction fee which is about the same as the old system was... but NO card service fees and no background checks to qualify)

I can't stress this enough... THIS IS A SOLUTION for anyone willing to take a little effort and learn the ropes

Amazon.com, Inc. is an American international electronic commerce company with headquarters in Seattle, Washington, United States. It is the world's largest online retailer. Amazon.com started as an online bookstore, but soon diversified, selling DVDs, VHSs, CDs, video and MP3 downloads/streaming, software, video games, electronics, apparel, furniture, food, toys, and jewelry. The company also produces consumer electronics—notably the Amazon Kindle e-book reader and the Kindle Fire tablet computer—and is a major provider of cloud computing services. Amazon is considered the fourth most successful startup company of all time by market capitalization, revenue, growth and cultural impact.

Jeff Bezos incorporated the company (as Cadabra) in July 1994 and the site went online as Amazon.com in 1995. The company was renamed after the Amazon River, one of the largest rivers in the world, which in turn was named after the Amazons, the legendary nation of female warriors in Greek mythology.

Amazon has separate retail websites for United States, United Kingdom, France, Canada, Germany, Italy, Spain, Australia, Brazil, Japan, China, India and Mexico, with international shipping to certain other countries for some of its products. In 2011, it had professed an intention to launch its websites in Poland, Netherlands, and Sweden, as well. An Austrian website operates as part of the German website.

Amazon also gives away FREE MONEY

By that I mean the Affiliate Network

It works by simply posting a link to a book or item (even on Facebook and ATS) that has your ID code embedded Anyone clicking on that link that buys it you get a small commission  but also on anything else they buy during that session

Also by shopping via Pegasus link, Amazon kicks back a commission that doers NOT come out of the buyers pocket. So if your shopping Amazon anyway, just use the peggy links to enter

It is not a lot of money, but over a year the trickle adds up

There are hundreds of sites online that offer affiliate services as a form of advertising  Globat, our hosting company, offers $75.00 per new account signed up. Oddly enough no one yet has bought a globat hosting account via Pegasus  :o and they only charge $4.44 a month for unlimited space and traffic

This is the new system...

You have the Post Office sending you FREE packing material delivered to your door, and they give you a 10% discount on postage buying it online and they pick up the package for free Ebay gives you an additional discount on shipping of up to 35%

Only time you need to leave the house is to find new stuff to sell :D

Won't be long now and the world's Economic system will claps one again !

The human species have been trading now, for some thousands of years and still haven't learnt !

Money is the "Root" of All your problems, restricting any progress in everything !


It is very, very strange, that the human species, being a very small minority, amongst
all the species even on the earth, let alone all the species in this Universe; YET the human species
is the sole "species" Indulging in such a futile and worthless system ?   :o   :(


Will the human species ever Learn ? ? ?   :(

Will the human species ever Learn ? ? ?   

species..NO

individuals..yes

Quote from: sky otter on February 04, 2014, 09:38:23 PM

Will the human species ever Learn ? ? ?   

species..NO

individuals..yes

BINGO

Hence the Earth Program is like a "Filter" !    :)

The "A's" to the Left and the ""B's"" to the right ....

"Groundhog Day" for many ....




but for others, they move on to the next "Chapter" !    :)

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh Freedom, it smells so sweet !

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on February 04, 2014, 09:04:09 PM
Won't be long now and the world's Economic system will claps one again !

The human species have been trading now, for some thousands of years and still haven't learnt !

Money is the "Root" of All your problems, restricting any progress in everything !


It is very, very strange, that the human species, being a very small minority, amongst
all the species even on the earth, let alone all the species in this Universe; YET the human species
is the sole "species" Indulging in such a futile and worthless system ?   :o   :(


Will the human species ever Learn ? ? ?   :(

Well Matrix, since you feel so firmly and strongly about this, can we just assume that you have ALREADY STOPPED INDULGING IN THIS FUTILE AND WORTHLESS SYSTEM, and no longer use money?? If it works for you, then it should work for some of us too! Will look forward to hearing how you do it! ;) ;)

Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on February 04, 2014, 02:43:01 PM
ITS KILLER PENGUINS!!

I knew it, I never liked penguins. ;)

Quote from: rdunk on February 04, 2014, 11:15:34 PM
Well Matrix, since you feel so firmly and strongly about this, can we just assume that you have ALREADY STOPPED INDULGING IN THIS FUTILE AND WORTHLESS SYSTEM, and no longer use money?? If it works for you, then it should work for some of us too! Will look forward to hearing how you do it! ;) ;)

We are shown Individually as our "Attitude" changes toward LIFE ... NOT by me,
but by Another far Greater than me!   ;)   :)

When you experience Death (NOT an NDE) and return NOT by the Will of Flesh,
then you shall know !

Interesting facts about Ebay and Amazon...  In particular, Ebay is a strong reason why inflation remains relatively low across the developed world.  It generates competitive prices like never before.

I see the biggest obstacles to world peace and prosperity as the Israelis, the Saudis, the TBTJ Banks and the NeoCon military industrial complex.

I think we're seeing a shift against the warmongering of the first two.  We may see a voluntary breakup of the inherently evil banks once enough shareholders realize that they aren't agile enough to exploit anything but outright corruption - which is unlikely to happen with everyone watching.

That leaves the Eisenhower nightmare.  Not sure how this gets overcome but perhaps some conversion to real peacekeeping and disaster relief is possible.

Of course, if we get free energy any time soon, that upends most everything that's centralized.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on February 04, 2014, 09:04:09 PM
Will the human species ever Learn ? ? ?   :(

Eventually  but his planet IS in Kindegarten Phase

Quote from: zorgon on February 05, 2014, 01:48:14 AM
Eventually  but his planet IS in Kindegarten Phase

BINGO.

It's a very, very Sloooooow Process, as WHAT is involved is an Extremely Involved Process !

Well I figure I only have a short time left this time around and it will be more fun if I have some MONEY to spend on things like

(http://www.pizzadelivery.org/Portals/0/ContentImages/hunt%20brothers.jpg)

And one of THESE so I can find all the MONEY and GOLD and METEORITES that everyone is losing :P

(http://www.minelab.com/__files/i/2410/X-TERRA-705-Metal-Detector-LHS.jpg)

While the rest of ya are all off smoking pot and laughing silly at the world

::)

 http://m.youtube.com/results?q=lawyer%20fight%20nsa&sm=  (http://m.youtube.com/results?q=lawyer%20fight%20nsa&sm=)

Maybe default on tax returns?

Quote from: zorgon on February 05, 2014, 02:01:02 AM
While the rest of ya are all off smoking pot and laughing silly at the world

::)

Tonight I am having a double shot of 190 proof and spring water , besides a couple of tokes of some great green bud, a strain of Indica that I grow. Yeppers, I grin and chuckle every day watching the crazies in the world acting in their incompetence and loving every minute of a prophesy coming true.  ;D

Quote from: zorgon on February 05, 2014, 01:58:38 AM
Well I figure I only have a short time left this time around and it will be more fun if I have some MONEY to spend on things like

(http://www.pizzadelivery.org/Portals/0/ContentImages/hunt%20brothers.jpg)

Stopped selling these (Similar) some years ago now, realised It wasn't taking me anywhere... LOL.

So I looked in other areas ....   :)


Still having Fun though.    ;D

Too old for Gyrocopters now, so play with RC ones.

Had one taken away from me though, the other day !

Lost contact with it with RC ... Something failed I guess ..

Still haven't got it back it yet, Probably never see it again ... !

Guess I haven't been revealing enough to others on Peggy ?

I used this RC model socially, with my grandson who has one too.

Thought about a larger one with a 50 cc motor. If I get a chance I just might make one.

So more time in Pegasus now, then my helicopter just might turn up again....   LOL.

 http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_Stock_Market_In_Japan_Is_COLLAPSING/32624/0/38/38/Y/M.html#disqus_thread  (http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_Stock_Market_In_Japan_Is_COLLAPSING/32624/0/38/38/Y/M.html#disqus_thread)i was just talking to beth last night about what happened in my hometown.this is very similar.ive been saying hold onto your cash and stay clear of banks if possible.the stock market also as i too believe the stockmarket is hyperinflated right now.from the qe spending funny money.
Just the other day i was at lop talking about japan currency being worthless and here is the proof in the pudding.the dominoes may be about to fall.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on February 04, 2014, 09:04:09 PM
Won't be long now and the world's Economic system will claps one again !

The human species have been trading now, for some thousands of years and still haven't learnt !

Money is the "Root" of All your problems, restricting any progress in everything !


It is very, very strange, that the human species, being a very small minority, amongst
all the species even on the earth, let alone all the species in this Universe; YET the human species
is the sole "species" Indulging in such a futile and worthless system ?   :o   :(


Will the human species ever Learn ? ? ?   :(

Some of Us have learned quite well...  [smile]

Saying "money is evil" is like saying "guns kill"!  :o

Quote from: rdunk on February 05, 2014, 06:47:21 AM
Saying "money is evil" is like saying "guns kill"!  :o

Agree. Money is also energy, to be used in a good way or a bad way.

But then again, a lot of people think bad is good and the other way around.
Besides that, good or bad can be a different thing when thinking in different levels.

Good or Bad....Its the most paradoxical thing in the world. Well, IMO  8)

I will take the ugly instead ? ;D

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7HTro-uCWBhn2JasLw0QVFqRcSp50xGjK5sPUZ61XAlTqICZ2gQ)

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 05, 2014, 05:10:58 AM
Some of Us have learned quite well...  [smile]

I just wish a few others would too...   :)

Quote from: rdunk on February 05, 2014, 06:47:21 AM
Saying "money is evil" is like saying "guns kill"!  :o

Since they're both inanimate object, this statement is true.  Neither are capable of doing or being either!

The LOVE of money (or greed) IS the root of all evil.  ;D

Yah can love guns, but that isn't evil.  8)


Just my 12.043 cents

Completely agree.  Gold, amigo.

Ban hammers and sex too.

Quote from: rdunk on February 05, 2014, 06:47:21 AM
Saying "money is evil" is like saying "guns kill"!  :o

I have NEVER said that MONEY is evil.  As the bible says, it is the soil in which the root of evil grows.  As long as We continue with the soil that root grows in, We WILL see evil growing.  That is why I advocate removing the SOIL such that the root dies.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on February 05, 2014, 11:46:16 AM
I just wish a few others would too...   :)

Me too!  What amazes Me is that so many would DEFEND the retention of money - as if things would get worse removing the soil in which the root of evil grows.  Baffles Me, frankly.

I defend the retention of money, simply because your "everything is free" idea makes no sense whatsoever.  "Baffeling". When I make something, I expect to be paid for it.  It is not free.

Quote from: WarToad on February 05, 2014, 05:54:41 PM
I defend the retention of money, simply because your "everything is free" idea makes no sense whatsoever.  "Baffeling". When I make something, I expect to be paid for it.  It is not free.

Then You clearly do not grasp what I offer.  [shrug]  If robots provide food (high quality), clothing (high quality), shelter (whatever You want), and You had no need to work at all...wouldn't You do what You love to do for the social currency?  For Self satisfaction?  For the appreciation You get from Others?  For friendships You develop?  For fame (if You're into that)?  For lauds and love and other positive responses from Others?

In defending a system of money, You defend poverty, oppression, wage/debt slavery and profiteering, including war, prisons, pharma, medical, food, water, air profiteering.  In other words, You defend the soil in which evil grows.

I've no interest in social currency.  I work pretty well with real currency. 

In defending a system of money, You defend poverty, oppression, wage/debt slavery and profiteering, including war, prisons, pharma, medical, food, water, air profiteering.  In other words, You defend the soil in which evil grows.

if you truly believe this then you are more than just pushing your idea of utopia
you are totally Delusional
with a huge case of monetary envy

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 05, 2014, 06:05:54 PM
Then You clearly do not grasp what I offer.  [shrug]  If robots provide food (high quality), clothing (high quality), shelter (whatever You want), and You had no need to work at all...wouldn't You do what You love to do for the social currency?  For Self satisfaction?  For the appreciation You get from Others?  For friendships You develop?  For fame (if You're into that)?  For lauds and love and other positive responses from Others?

In defending a system of money, You defend poverty, oppression, wage/debt slavery and profiteering, including war, prisons, pharma, medical, food, water, air profiteering.  In other words, You defend the soil in which evil grows.

As you know, I too totally disagree with what you propose. Making money the crutch of causing all of the evil in the world is nonsense. There is evil in the world, but it ain't money! As you point out, evil grows into every aspect of life, including religious aspects, given the opportunity. So, with or without money it won't make a shill of difference to the existence of evil in the life of man, other than without money, man will be "broke" as the evil operates. :)

Quote from: WarToad on February 05, 2014, 06:52:04 PM
I've no interest in social currency.  I work pretty well with real currency.

Self satisfaction in doing what You love to do (note "what You LOVE to do") has no motive for You?  Really?  You do NOTHING for the love of it?  Really?  If I believed that I would feel sorry for You.

Quote from: sky otter on February 05, 2014, 06:58:57 PM
In defending a system of money, You defend poverty, oppression, wage/debt slavery and profiteering, including war, prisons, pharma, medical, food, water, air profiteering.  In other words, You defend the soil in which evil grows.

if you truly believe this then you are more than just pushing your idea of utopia
you are totally Delusional
with a huge case of monetary envy

Who's pushing for UTOPIA?  I am pushing for a BETTER SYSTEM.  Again, and again and again, I say:  It's NOT "utopia."  It's just a whole lot better than what We have now.

And no, I envy nothing and no One.  I am quite happy with M'self, and would solve for those starving children that buzzards await Their death to feast on.  And there will ALWAYS be starving children as long as We have a system of money.  There will ALWAYS be psychopaths promoted to the top as long as We have a system of money.  There will ALWAYS be scams and defrauds and manufactured problems to offer controlling "solutions" to as long as We have a system of money.

You clearly don't have a CLUE about what motivates Me.  (And though One defending a money system may not REALIZE that those issues are what They defend, it still is defending those issues; those issues inherently emerge from ANY money system.)

It's not a better system.  It's just your personal fantasy idea of a better system.  And it's broken because it entirely ignores human nature.  But that's OK, it's your fantasy.  Live the dream.

Quote from: WarToad on February 05, 2014, 07:39:32 PM
It's not a better system.  It's just your personal fantasy idea of a better system.  And it's broken because it entirely ignores human nature.  But that's OK, it's your fantasy.  Live the dream.

No it does NOT "ignore Human nature."  Virtually ALL of Us, with no pressure to survive, would NOT instigate wars to profit from weapons sales to both sides, would NOT try to sell poisons as "medicine" so as to have "customers for life," would NOT try to take ownership of rain falling on Others' property, would NOT defraud, would NOT hold People up at gunpoint, would NOT make "laws" to profit off Human incarceration, would NOT tell People They need surgery just to make money from the procedure, would NOT "patent" seeds that have genetic alterations and try to corner food production, would NOT spew "carbon credits" to profit off breathing and living.

No fantasy; 50+ years of research, analysis, critical thinking, and a full grasp of Human motivation.

But...  If You think I am wrong, rather than merely claiming I don't take Human nature into account and claiming fantasy as well, please, DESCRIBE the errors, with illustration and examples.

If One could Buy LIFE One would NOT Die !   :)

Unless one wishes to Die ?

Which one doesn't normally wish to die.

My choice was once Money !


It Changed when I discovered LIFE ! (NOT the flesh)

NOW I choose LIFE !

When One does NOT know the Difference between "flesh" and LIFE,

One is in "Poverty" !

Most of the human Species are in "Poverty" !

Quote from: rdunk on February 05, 2014, 07:21:03 PM
As you know, I too totally disagree with what you propose. Making money the crutch of causing all of the evil in the world is nonsense. There is evil in the world, but it ain't money! As you point out, evil grows into every aspect of life, including religious aspects, given the opportunity. So, with or without money it won't make a shill of difference to the existence of evil in the life of man, other than without money, man will be "broke" as the evil operates. :)

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.  -- 1 Timothy 6:10

Remove the soil in which that root grows, since We JUST NOW HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY TO DO SO, and We can kill that root.

Money ie the coins - the paper this is not what is in question surely.

Money is inanimate, so lets move the discussion past the
word money to get to the heart of the issue.

Money is an idea, it is a system.

The use of a money system is not equal to coveting
money - as the system has been in existence from the
time when people bartered.

So then, is bartering also coveting?

Not in my estimaiton....
nor is the use of a money system.

"Love of money"

This is not the word love as we use it in
I love you - this is the idea of "lust" or
coveting.

Therfore one could argue that the love of money
actually equals the lust of money.
Coveting money - which is not coveting coins and paper

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 05, 2014, 08:05:45 PM
No it does NOT "ignore Human nature."  Virtually ALL of Us, with no pressure to survive, would NOT instigate wars to profit from weapons sales to both sides, would NOT try to sell poisons as "medicine" so as to have "customers for life," would NOT try to take ownership of rain falling on Others' property, would NOT defraud, would NOT hold People up at gunpoint, would NOT make "laws" to profit off Human incarceration, would NOT tell People They need surgery just to make money from the procedure, would NOT "patent" seeds that have genetic alterations and try to corner food production, would NOT spew "carbon credits" to profit off breathing and living.

No fantasy; 50+ years of research, analysis, critical thinking, and a full grasp of Human motivation.

But...  If You think I am wrong, rather than merely claiming I don't take Human nature into account and claiming fantasy as well, please, DESCRIBE the errors, with illustration and examples.

Medicine is "poison"?  LULZ!  Saved my daughters life when her heart stopped, so I call BS on that.  And my father-in-laws cardiac disease. Because of medicine they do have customers, because they have longer healthier life.

And where are these wonder robots you speak of?  Someone has to make them, that costs money.  They'll have to be sold to make that up.  Once they're bought and at work there's profit that needs to be made to pay for them.  So what they create or harvest will need to be sold.  There's nothing free along the way.

And you think there's no criminal minds among us?  No preditors?  No savages?  Prisons exist for a reason.  The worst of the worst who will gut you stem to stern for no reason.  Money is not an issue.

And no wars?  Tell me when there has not been war and conflict in human history in any century, any decade.  Not even over money or resources.  It can be ethnic.  Religious.  Political in ideology.  Your TAP doesn't even address war in nature.

I agree carbon credits are BS.  Business should be allowed to operate as supply/demand dictates.

And human nature is self centered when push comes to shove.  We see it around us all day every day.  Fortunately we also see acts of kindness.  But you don't have to look far for the dark underbelly of human nature.  It's in the headlines every day.

Now then Matrix,

Why does age stop you flying Gyrocopters ?

I seen an 89 yr old flying in one on TV... :)

QuoteWing Commander Kenneth Wallis, who has died aged 97, was a ... he flew as Sean Connery's stunt double in the 1967 James Bond film You Only Live Twice. ... One interviewer observed that if a screenwriter had invented Wallis, with ... set a world speed record for an autogyro of 129.1mph at the age of 89.

That is age  only an illusion is it not in our Meat Suit program ! is it not and that in our real LIFE..is age NOT a barrier !  :)

Also why are you not Flying in UFO Saucers ! 

You preach that you know How to do this...why aren't you!   :)

I get the feeling that you are winding us up !...

QuoteStopped selling these (Similar) some years ago now, realised It wasn't taking me anywhere... LOL.

So I looked in other areas ....   :)


Still having Fun though.    ;D

Too old for Gyrocopters now, so play with RC ones.

Had one taken away from me though, the other day !

Lost contact with it with RC ... Something failed I guess ..

Still haven't got it back it yet, Probably never see it again ... !

Guess I haven't been revealing enough to others on Peggy ?

I used this RC model socially, with my grandson who has one too.

One of the biggest fallacies in this thinking regarding money is, there was a time in this world when there was "no money" at all. Even today, there are a few remote areas where there is still no money. Likewise, until more recent times, there was no pharma, there was no medical, there was no oil, there was no inanimate energy, there was no big business, and there was no this and no that. But, based upon all that we know, man has always had reason of fighting, raping, stealing, stealing animals, killing for lands, and what ever such like!

The flesh nature of man is always subjected to the influence of evil., because..........and thus the very basis of the Christian beliefs.

Quote from: burntheships on February 05, 2014, 08:22:39 PM
Money ie the coins - the paper this is not what is in question surely.

Money is inanimate, so lets move the discussion past the
word money to get to the heart of the issue.

Money is an idea, it is a system.

The use of a money system is not equal to coveting
money - as the system has been in existence from the
time when people bartered.

So then, is bartering also coveting?

Not in my estimaiton....
nor is the use of a money system.

"Love of money"

This is not the word love as we use it in
I love you - this is the idea of "lust" or
coveting.

Therfore one could argue that the love of money
actually equals the lust of money.
Coveting money - which is not coveting coins and paper

Semanitcs aside, Humans are motivated to steal, defraud, lie (promote higher value for Their energy than is truly the case) and otherwise behave poorly to gain advantage in an energy-scarce society that accounts for Human energy - be it barter, trade, work exchange, or token based.

If We had no need to gain advantages over Others because We all had access to the abundance of this planet when and where We choose, We would not be so motivated to steal, defraud, lie, and otherwise behave poorly.  And if We are motivated instead by social currencies, We surely will be motivated to protect Our reputation, create towards BETTERMENT of the whole, and to choose behaviors that at least do not create problems for Others.

The reason "the love of money is the root of all evil" is it offers MOTIVE to choose poor behavior.

Amy,

It is not semantics -
Using the word semantics does not make it so.

Love does not equal lust,
and lust does not equal love.

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 05, 2014, 08:54:46 PM
Humans are motivated to steal, defraud, lie (promote higher value for Their energy than is truly the case) and otherwise behave poorly

Yes, precisely!

They behave this way because they do not love
yet rather they lust. They lust - they covet.

The lust of money is a root of all "kinds" of evil.
Stealing, defrauding, lies.

Quote
The reason "the love of money is the root of all evil" is it offers MOTIVE to choose poor behavior.

It is the lust of money -

lust = coveting

Quote from: WarToad on February 05, 2014, 08:34:19 PM
Medicine is "poison"?  LULZ!  Saved my daughters life when her heart stopped, so I call BS on that.  And my father-in-laws cardiac disease. Because of medicine they do have customers, because they have longer healthier life.

Did I say ALL medicine is poison?  No.  But, for example, the psychological drugs are.  Vaccines are.  And they create other issues that more "medicines" are prescribed for.  Once They got My mom on a med for arthritis, She developed issues and was prescribed another, and THAT created issues...  When She died, She was on 15 different "meds" that all were treating issues that began with the first.

QuoteAnd where are these wonder robots you speak of?  Someone has to make them, that costs money.  They'll have to be sold to make that up.  Once they're bought and at work there's profit that needs to be made to pay for them.  So what they create or harvest will need to be sold.  There's nothing free along the way.

Rather than repeating what I have posted in My section, I will provide a link to the plan.  Once the basics are handled, I know zillions of people who LOVE to work on designing, building and maintaining robots...  I doubt We will lack People willing to do that for Us.

Link:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5626.0

QuoteAnd you think there's no criminal minds among us?  No preditors?  No savages?  Prisons exist for a reason.  The worst of the worst who will gut you stem to stern for no reason.  Money is not an issue.

I never said that, either.  BUT, most are motivated by money/power over Others, which no money removes.  The very few left are People We can treat in mental hospitals.  You may want to read My work in general - the sticky threads in My section, as You do seem very unfamiliar with My work.

My section:  http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?board=163.0

QuoteAnd no wars?  Tell me when there has not been war and conflict in human history in any century, any decade.  Not even over money or resources.  It can be ethnic.  Religious.  Political in ideology.  Your TAP doesn't even address war in nature.

Show Me a war that was not financed on BOTH SIDES for the last 1,000 years.  To make a profit on it...

QuoteAnd human nature is self centered when push comes to shove.  We see it around us all day every day.  Fortunately we also see acts of kindness.  But you don't have to look far for the dark underbelly of human nature.  It's in the headlines every day.

MOST Humans will, when They can afford it, reach out and help.  And the headlines are written to SELL, not for truth or balanced view of Humanity.  As one example of non-truth, look to Sandy Hook.

Given the MILLIONS upon MILLIONS given to "charities" (that use 98% or more to pay the People running them), it is clear that when We all may travel at will, We can show up to help directly Those who need help instead of enriching "charity" operations.

Quote from: burntheships on February 05, 2014, 09:03:46 PM
Amy,

It is not semantics -
Using the word semantics does not make it so.

Love does not equal lust,
and lust does not equal love.

Yes, precisely!

They behave this way because they do not love
yet rather they lust. They lust - they covet.

The lust of money is a root of all "kinds" of evil.
Stealing, defrauding, lies.

It is the lust of money -

lust = coveting

Whatever word You want to use - love, lust, covet - it IS semantics.  I use "love" because of the quote from the bible, but use whatever word You want.  But WHAT would anyone love/lust/covet for when One can have what One wants just for the asking?

Quote from: astr0144 on February 05, 2014, 08:39:48 PM
Now then Matrix,

Why does age stop you flying Gyrocopters ?

I seen an 89 yr old flying in one on TV... :)


That is age  only an illusion is it not in our Meat Suit program ! is it not and that in our real LIFE..is age NOT a barrier !  :)

Also why are you not Flying in UFO Saucers ! 

You preach that you know How to do this...why aren't you!   :)

I get the feeling that you are winding us up !...

I was kidding around .... LOL.

Just my Warped sense of Humour I'm NOT serious all the time .... LOL.

I am a Child in Heart .... :)

Guess who this is ?  LOL

Actually this one isolated group of natives shared everything.wives tools everything.then a white man showed up.a few years later he came back and the folks had turned covetous.men no longer shared anything.thats why its best to leave natives to themselves.there was a whole research project on it.ie.prime directive star trek is the best thing to do.
But they are short lived lives.what happens when you get everything you want.life is boring.

Quote from: robomont on February 05, 2014, 11:36:28 PM
Actually this one isolated group of natives shared everything.wives tools everything.then a white man showed up.a few years later he came back and the folks had turned covetous.men no longer shared anything.thats why its best to leave natives to themselves.there was a whole research project on it.ie.prime directive star trek is the best thing to do.
But they are short lived lives.what happens when you get everything you want.life is boring.

So this is WHY "The Adventures of LIFE" never Ends !

You can't get everything ....  LOL.

It's only the "human Primate" that seeks an End !

Quote from: rdunk on February 05, 2014, 08:42:59 PM
One of the biggest fallacies in this thinking regarding money is, there was a time in this world when there was "no money" at all. Even today, there are a few remote areas where there is still no money. Likewise, until more recent times, there was no pharma, there was no medical, there was no oil, there was no inanimate energy, there was no big business, and there was no this and no that. But, based upon all that we know, man has always had reason of fighting, raping, stealing, stealing animals, killing for lands, and what ever such like!

The flesh nature of man is always subjected to the influence of evil., because..........and thus the very basis of the Christian beliefs.

I never said that there was a time when We did not account for Human energy in some fashion.  There has always been energy scarcity (in the history We have).  And so We have always accounted for it.

What I AM saying is that there are GAME CHANGERS that JUST NOW in Our recorded history We have access to:

The energy pool We swim in in the form of usable energy, removing energy scarcity
Robotics, allowing Us to not HAVE to do jobs We don't WANT to do
The Interweb, allowing planetary communication
Personal video cams, allowing Us to prove things happened should We need to

We Humans are very beautiful, and 90%+ will NOT steal, cheat, lie, defraud, etc. to gain an advantage.  If We were NOT willing to stay within the basic three Laws, society would not function.  Period.

Quote from: robomont on February 05, 2014, 11:36:28 PM
what happens when you get everything you want.life is boring.

Not so.  It's only "boring" if You cannot think of something You would LOVE to do:  travel, build robots, design buildings, paint pictures, produce a play, write music, study, do archaeological digs, build cars, etc.

If Our children are taught to find what They LOVE to do, instead of giving up on it for a boring JOB to put food on the table, few will end up bored.  Add the Betterment Ethic in place of the work "ethic" and the challenge will be to see how much betterment One can create.

I suspect for most of us if we did have everything that we wish for or want....In theory we should not have any excuse to say that we would get bored in our present lifetime scale...

We could all try so many things that we would like to do , achieve..or travel around where we want...

I am sure we all dream of this, but so few achieve it.. and even those of us who do not... we still spend a lot of wasted time or time doing boring things..like Jobs or chores that we hate !...

Many of us on PRC are content with just observing what we write about...  what if we could actually go out their and had time and money to educate ourselves to try and do some of the stuff that what we talk about, or travel to & research  many of the places that we discuss....such as researching UFO sightings etc.. 

QuoteQuote from: robomont on Today at 04:36:28 PM
what happens when you get everything you want.life is boring.

Not so.  It's only "boring" if You cannot think of something You would LOVE to do:  travel, build robots, design buildings, paint pictures, produce a play, write music, study, do archaeological digs, build cars, etc.

If Our children are taught to find what They LOVE to do, instead of giving up on it for a boring JOB to put food on the table, few will end up bored.  Add the Betterment Ethic in place of the work "ethic" and the challenge will be to see how much betterment One can create.

Hi Matrix,

Big Wow if one of those is you !  8)

James Bond at Heart !  :)

However ,I still want to see a similar picture of you sat in a UFO with E.T !   ;D

I may be going to a UFO event in a few weeks time where one of the speakers claims to have actual Pictures (That he says he will show) that he took inside a UFO Saucer or Mothership ...

QuoteI was kidding around .... LOL.

Just my Warped sense of Humour I'm NOT serious all the time .... LOL.

I am a Child in Heart .... :)

Guess who this is ?  LOL

Quote from: astr0144 on February 06, 2014, 12:21:35 AM
I suspect for most of us if we did have everything that we wish for or want....In theory we should not have any excuse to say that we would get bored in our present lifetime scale...

We could all try so many things that we would like to do , achieve..or travel around where we want...

I am sure we all dream of this, but so few achieve it.. and even those of us who do not... we still spend a lot of wasted time or time doing boring things..like Jobs or chores that we hate !...

Many of us on PRC are content with just observing what we write about...  what if we could actually go out their and had time and money to educate ourselves to try and do some of the stuff that what we talk about, or travel to & research  many of the places that we discuss....such as researching UFO sightings etc..

By getting rid of the need for money, We will have ALL Our time to pursue fun.  To NOT be bored.  I have never been bored when I had money to do what I wanted to do - but the most bored I have ever been was working in banking.  OMG, 8+ hours a day, 5 days a week, bored out of My mind!  All so I might enjoy the weekend.

As the song goes, "Everybody's working for the weekend..."

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 05, 2014, 11:19:50 PM
Whatever word You want to use - love, lust, covet - it IS semantics.  I use "love" because of the quote from the bible

Amy,

Point being that love, lust and covet are not synonyms.

Not all words translated "love" in the Bible are the same word
in the Hebrew and Greek.

the word use for "love" in 1 Timothy 6:10
is defined as follows:

philarguria; gen. philargurias, fem. noun from philarguros
a lover of money. The love of money (1 Tim. 6:10; Sept.: Jer. 8:10)
Pihlarguria may be regarded as a type of pleonexia ( covetousness )

Its primary meaning is "covetousness"

avaricious, covetous (Luke 16:14; 2 Tim. 3:2).

Avaricious means "having or showing an extreme
greed for wealth or material gain"

I think that it may be possible that a large (If not all ) % of the population could certainly work MUCH less. get paid more, Pay less taxes etc & Have much more time off, and then have more time to do what we all want to do !

Maybe we could have a moneyless society !...

if not at least one where the Cost of things become much less...
which in many ways they are or at least some at times !

Computers and Air travel are two that come to mind..

Even though I refer to wanting to travel... there has NEVER been a better time to do so with so many cheap airlines around at present..

But on top of airfare, we need accomodation, car hire fuel and food etc..

so more money is required to do all this...


For certain things some of us may still have to work at least until we have built sufficient Artifical Intelligence or Robots to do essential things..

Then life could become what we desire without the feel of being slaves to society.

Its just that we would then hope that there is no other unseen issue for us to be concerned about...Like ...

Maybe the Globalists see this as coming... and for what ever reason want the masses out of the way come that time...

I Know How boring some jobs are...Mind Numbing at times..

I used to think we maybe we should all spend part of our lives doing the boring routine stuff to help society run...10 years at the most for certain things maybe only the young could do...Maybe another 10 in the help and guidance to others with gained experience...
Some more complex professions however may require more. or once did..but maybe IT should now help shorten this for most !

BUT certainly  NOT 50 years of it in this modern age...

Now The Politicians want us working to 70 yrs old..How long before its 80 yrs, if we do consistently  live longer...

No doubt spending 8 hrs a day on PRC is much more rewarding mentally than most jobs...

It would be nice if somehow we could come up with solutions to aid us to overcome our money concerns...at least for the near term until things can change in the utopian dream !

QuoteBy getting rid of the need for money, We will have ALL Our time to pursue fun.  To NOT be bored.  I have never been bored when I had money to do what I wanted to do - but the most bored I have ever been was working in banking.  OMG, 8+ hours a day, 5 days a week, bored out of My mind!  All so I might enjoy the weekend.

As the song goes, "Everybody's working for the weekend..."

Quote from: burntheships on February 06, 2014, 12:29:02 AM
Amy,

Point being that love, lust and covet are not synonyms.

Not all words translated "love" in the Bible are the same word
in the Hebrew and Greek.

the word use for "love" in 1 Timothy 6:10
is defined as follows:

philarguria; gen. philargurias, fem. noun from philarguros
a lover of money. The love of money (1 Tim. 6:10; Sept.: Jer. 8:10)
Pihlarguria may be regarded as a type of pleonexia ( covetousness )

Its primary meaning is "covetousness"

avaricious, covetous (Luke 16:14; 2 Tim. 3:2).

Avaricious means "having or showing an extreme
greed for wealth or material gain"

Ok.  But that is irrelevant to the message.  Really.  The point is that desiring money (and/or the power over Others it affords) at the expense of the wellbeing of Others is the root of all evil.  Again, plug in the (roughly!) synonymous word You prefer.  (If there was no rough synonym, the translation would not have been what it is.)

Quote from: astr0144 on February 06, 2014, 12:47:15 AM


I think that it may be possible that a large (If not all ) % of the population could certainly work MUCH less. Have much more time off, and then have more time to do what we all want to do !

Maybe we could have a moneyless society !...

No maybe about it.  All money is is an accounting tool for energy.  All the raw materials are here freely on this planet.  The energy to dig them out or tend them or cut them or process them is what We pay for.  100% of the cost of EVERYTHING is energy.  Add free energy and robots to take up slack where there are not enough People who LOVE to do the work needed for survival, and We no longer need to account for energy in any way.  This is what My work is all about.

QuoteMaybe the Globalists see this as coming... and for what ever reason want the masses out of the way come that time...

Oh, They have been avidly suppressing free energy tech, trying to avoid it.  They don't see it coming; They want to make sure it does not happen, and, being psychopaths, want Us to continue being slaves.  The desire They have to reduce population is mainly aimed at easier control.  Fewer of Us, easier to control.

QuoteI Know How boring some jobs are...Mind Numbing at times..

I used to think we maybe we should all spend part of our lives doing the boring routine stuff to help society run...BUT NOT 50 years of it in this modern age...

There are People who LOVE to administrate...  I would not force ANYONE to endure boredom.  And without the need for money, there will be FAR less needed in administration.  And with robots and administrators, We won't need Us all to "spend part of our lives doing the boring routine stuff."

QuoteNow The Politicians want us working to 70 yrs old..How long before its 80 yrs, if we do consistently  live longer...

This is why I work so hard at spreading a solution.  We are wage/debt slaves enriching the few.

QuoteNo doubt spending 8 hrs a day on PRC is much more rewarding mentally than most jobs...

It would be nice if somehow we could come up with solutions to aid us to overcome our money concerns...at least for the near term until things can change in the utopian dream !

Not seeking a utopia - just a far better way of doing things.  And yes, if We could overcome the money concerns for now, it surely would be nice.  But even that hardship will not stop Me in My efforts to create better on this planet.

Argh!  Argh! Argh! 

Damn it, Zorgon! Now I see why disclosure is impossible:  if even a site such as Pegasus is loaded with clandestine Bible thumpers, I can see there's no hope.  And the Nye Ham debate just confirms it ( really? evolution as a fact still requires debate????!!)

I'm profoundly bummed out.  I can see it all now - a flying saucer lands in the Rose Garden and half the nation starts screaming "DEMONS!".  Talk about Childhood's End!

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 06, 2014, 12:49:39 AM
Ok.  But that is irrelevant to the message.  Really. 

It really is everything to the message.

QuoteAgain, plug in the (roughly!) synonymous word You prefer. 
(If there was no rough synonym, the translation would not have been what it is.)

Not so, as you are dealing with language translations,
this is not a "rough synonym" - if anything it would be
more like an antonym.

Quote from: Eighthman on February 06, 2014, 01:08:40 AM
  if even a site such as Pegasus is loaded with clandestine Bible thumpers, I can see there's no hope. 

I sincerely hope your joking.

QuoteI'm profoundly bummed out.  I can see it all now - a flying saucer lands in the Rose Garden
and half the nation starts screaming "DEMONS!".  Talk about Childhood's End!

That's because the human species is a member of the "Primate Family",
but sadly most of the "bible thumpers" can't accept that .... while being in denial !

If they understood the writings they would put LIFE 1st and accept the human species
for what it is ....

Just a member of the PRIMATE family ...  :)

ONE only has to look in the "Mirror" and see what they/we are experiencing !   LOL.

Your theory may well be right Amy...

Maybe I had not thought / researched about it enough to fully see it all that way...

Many things are so called labour intensive, be it manual labour or administrative...

I know when I worked in a past Job...part when I was training... so much was just labour intensive...routine...

What maybe Id expected to be doing in the Profession, It was  often was not the case.. . and I also became bored...It seemed that only the real top people did the real specialist work that maybe I had envisioned doing !....But Maybe I was just not that clever to have been able to reach such a level... or maybe I was also being held down !...
That can and does go on !...Some at the higher levels will prevent other lower level staff from rising....Sometimes I did suspect that was happening ....They had their own jobs to protect !

Some / Many things are specialist and require higher level training, knowledge and abilities to do them...and that is the part that I may not fully account as being looked at in terms of being Energy related to do certain Jobs.. Maybe that is what you mean by some are administrators...

As for the Globalist...

Initially yes, they want us as their slaves...But when they know that the AI / Robotics have been designed and created...Then they may also decide that there is no further use for a huge population who they may see as using up resources...and may have too much time on their hands to consider and learn about what they are up to... and we may be seen as a threat to them..

That may be an other reason that they want to reduce population... but it may also be similar in terms of them wanting to do this for easier control...

QuoteNo maybe about it.  All money is is an accounting tool for energy.  All the raw materials are here freely on this planet.  The energy to dig them out or tend them or cut them or process them is what We pay for.  100% of the cost of EVERYTHING is energy.  Add free energy and robots to take up slack where there are not enough People who LOVE to do the work needed for survival, and We no longer need to account for energy in any way.  This is what My work is all about.

Quote
Maybe the Globalists see this as coming... and for what ever reason want the masses out of the way come that time...

Oh, They have been avidly suppressing free energy tech, trying to avoid it.  They don't see it coming; They want to make sure it does not happen, and, being psychopaths, want Us to continue being slaves.  The desire They have to reduce population is mainly aimed at easier control.  Fewer of Us, easier to control.

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 05, 2014, 08:13:31 PM
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.  -- 1 Timothy 6:10

"Social currency" is any different?

Quote from: ArMaP on February 06, 2014, 01:37:25 AM
"Social currency" is any different?

So Why don't we do something about it then ?

Or is $$$$$$$$  the most Powerful "DRUG" on the Earth with "Insecurity" being its Pusher !

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 06, 2014, 12:27:18 AM
By getting rid of the need for money, We will have ALL Our time to pursue fun.  To NOT be bored.

Sometimes we need something that keeps us from reaching our dreams. Imagine someone that is looking for life on Mars and, thanks to free energy and robots that do all the work, they can finally go to Mars and see that there are only rocks. What would that person do? He/she could lose the only thing he/she made him/her happy, the pursuit of something that was always eluding him/her.

PS: the above is said half joking, but only half.  :)

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on February 06, 2014, 01:40:52 AM
So Why don't we do something about it then ?

Or is $$$$$$$$  the most Powerful "DRUG" on the Earth with "Insecurity" being its Pusher !

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by that. :(

Quote from: burntheships on February 06, 2014, 01:21:13 AM
It really is everything to the message.

How so?  Do You understand the comparison between loving/lusting for/coveting money over Your fellow Human, regardless of which term You insert?  I do.  Any of those three give Me the same message to put My fellow Humans above acquiring money at any cost.

I keep thinking You are nitpicking here...

QuoteNot so, as you are dealing with language translations,
this is not a "rough synonym" - if anything it would be
more like an antonym.

Huh?  If antonym, the original would read "The hate (fear) of money is the root of all evil..."  Which is surely NOT the message.  Frankly, when People go to translate, They usually try to find the best/closest word to what is written.  Thus One arrives at exact correlation when a word is available, or a synonym, either very close or rough.  One rarely winds up with an opposite, unless an agenda is in place and it's not a true translation.

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 06, 2014, 03:30:36 AM
How so?  Do You understand the comparison between loving/lusting for/coveting money over Your fellow Human, regardless of which term You insert?  I do.  Any of those three give Me the same message to put My fellow Humans above acquiring money at any cost.

I keep thinking You are nitpicking here...

Huh?  If antonym, the original would read "The hate (fear) of money is the root of all evil..."  Which is surely NOT the message.  Frankly, when People go to translate, They usually try to find the best/closest word to what is written.  Thus One arrives at exact correlation when a word is available, or a synonym, either very close or rough.  One rarely winds up with an opposite, unless an agenda is in place and it's not a true translation.

No, not nitpicking here; it is basic understanding
of translation from one language to another.

Greek to English being the translation in question.

With that said, we do agree on many things,
and I have no agenda. We seem to agree that
love should be primary motivation,
I would add a scripture as you did in
your earlier posts yet then I suppose some
one would come along and call me a Bible
thumper.

Love you Amy.
And that is love on many levels.

I think it is the English language that comes up
short here, the greeks had a greater grasp on language
and humanity it you ask me, and a literary tradition that
impressed the Romans and made them envious.

Quote from: astr0144 on February 06, 2014, 01:34:26 AM
Your theory may well be right Amy...

Maybe I had not thought / researched about it enough to fully see it all that way...

Many things are so called labour intensive, be it manual labour or administrative...

I know when I worked in a past Job...part when I was training... so much was just labour intensive...routine...

I wouldn't call it a theory...  [smile]  It's an analysis.  I can demonstrate and explain every part of it.  Understand that 80-90% of all jobs out there are in support of the money system.  Maybe more!

Banking - no real productive support for living needs outside the money system
Insurance - no real productive support for living needs outside the money system
Wall Street - no real productive support for living needs outside the money system
Accounting - no real productive support for living needs outside the money system
Financial Advising - no real productive support for living needs outside the money system
Advertising - no real productive support for living needs outside the money system
Sales - no real productive support for living needs outside the money system
Cashiering - no real productive support for living needs outside the money system
Auditing - no real productive support for living needs outside the money system

In other words, the rich are getting richer from Our energy input into the system that accounts for Our energy.  WE are not the beneficiaries of Our own energy expended, as long as We accept a few tokens in exchange.  Some will get enough in the way of tokens to afford a higher standard of living; most barely scrape by.  The bulk of the benefit goes to a very few, and We are slaves that They don't have to worry about feeding and clothing and housing, giving Us tokens to do that Ourselves, and holding power over Us in the form of threat of lost jobs (and therefore Our tokens).

QuoteSome / Many things are specialist and require higher level training, knowledge and abilities to do them...and that is the part that I may not fully account as being looked at in terms of being Energy related to do certain Jobs.. Maybe that is what you mean by some are administrators...

ALL jobs are energy related.  If One puts no energy in, no job gets done.  What I mean by Some being administrators is that Some LOVE to ensure things run smoothly, solve problems that arise in a production process (We all are problem-solvers in general), coordinate and direct.  These are the Ones who will step in to keep things like food, transportation, product creation, and such run smoothly.  They will earn much social currency in appreciation, thanks, gratefulness, and maybe even fame.

QuoteAs for the Globalist...

Initially yes, they want us as their slaves...But when they know that the AI / Robotics have been designed and created...Then they may also decide that there is no further use for a huge population who they may see as using up resources...and may have too much time on their hands to consider and learn about what they are up to... and we may be seen as a threat to them..

That may be an other reason that they want to reduce population... but it may also be similar in terms of them wanting to do this for easier control...

There are plenty of resources for all of Us.  Right now We produce about 25% MORE food than every One of Us could eat if We all tried to eat it all.  BUT...  Through spoilage, nearly half of that food is thrown away.  If the food was distributed by need and not profit, We would have a surplus.  Add new methods of farming, like vertical farming, We could support maybe 100 times the number of People now on this planet.

If We designed products to last, instead of planning obsolescence so as to ensure future sales, We would have well more than We all could need or want.  As it is now, We overflow land fills.  Ship waste to Africa by the boatload and dump it.  And so it LOOKS like there is not enough.

The "elite," however, would promote the idea that there are too many of Us to justify moves to reduce Our numbers, reduce what is available to Us, and give Them a rationalization in inciting wars such that We slaughter One another.  They love to have Us go to war at Their whim and to Their profit.

But overall, Your assessment of Their motives and thinking is quite correct.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 06, 2014, 01:37:25 AM
"Social currency" is any different?

Yes, ArMaP.  Because:

1.  You don't NEED it to survive in a society
2.  You can't steal it, defraud a Person out of it, counterfeit it, or otherwise gain it illegitimately
3.  You earn it through character and accomplishment, not merely adding Your energy for a few tokens to the enrichment of a few
4.  It promotes betterment and Human caring, not the forsaking thereof
5.  It is undefined in the sense that One cannot say, "I have 20,000 units of respect."
6.  It is not an accounting system (for the reason that it is undefined)
7.  It motivates without contract (helping Others through One's skills, for example, is not a matter of how much thanks You will get)

I'm sure I can find more, but it's late and I am tired.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 06, 2014, 01:48:25 AM
Sometimes we need something that keeps us from reaching our dreams. Imagine someone that is looking for life on Mars and, thanks to free energy and robots that do all the work, they can finally go to Mars and see that there are only rocks. What would that person do? He/she could lose the only thing he/she made him/her happy, the pursuit of something that was always eluding him/her.

PS: the above is said half joking, but only half.  :)

I doubt that Mars would be the ONLY place They would be happy searching...  I bet They can choose to go to other planets, other stars, and beyond with the tech We have (hidden just now).  Just sayin'.

Virtually all of Us have things, like painting or playing an instrument or so on that We could do the rest of Our lives and be gloriously happy.  I can't see keeping a system of accounting for energy so that the .00001% who have only one goal that, when reached, ends all motivation for Their lives will be forever pursuing it.

Quote from: burntheships on February 06, 2014, 03:50:08 AM
No, not nitpicking here; it is basic understanding
of translation from one language to another.

Greek to English being the translation in question.

With that said, we do agree on many things,
and I have no agenda. We seem to agree that
love should be primary motivation,
I would add a scripture as you did in
your earlier posts yet then I suppose some
one would come along and call me a Bible
thumper.

Love you Amy.
And that is love on many levels.

I think it is the English language that comes up
short here, the greeks had a greater grasp on language
and humanity it you ask me, and a literary tradition that
impressed the Romans and made them envious.

And I say that, regardless of the specific words used in translation, if the original message is understandable, that is what counts.  [smile]

Love You too, BTS.  [hugs!]

Why is it the human species is the ONLY ONE needing $$$$$$$'s ?

Even on Earth the human species is a very, very small minority, compared to all the other species,
let alone all the species in this little universe ....  :)

Looks like we are the odd ones out in this ?

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on February 06, 2014, 01:40:52 AM
So Why don't we do something about it then ?

Or is $$$$$$$$  the most Powerful "DRUG" on the Earth with "Insecurity" being its Pusher !

Sorry Armap....

Should have had this Quote you gave....

QuoteFor the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.  -- 1 Timothy 6:10

instead of ...

Quote"Social currency" is any different?

My Bad ....  :(

QuoteALL jobs are energy related.  If One puts no energy in, no job gets done.

Then the PTB also do this, they work very hard scheming everyday.

I think you would do better working on the laws first. Many of out problems today are based on laws. The laws are made to make us do things we don't want or need to do. Many laws are pushed through just to make a small percentage more gains.

I wonder how many laws would actually be on the books if the people got to vote them in or out.

I also wish that your idea of robots would be pushed to the very last thing on the list [if ever]  I have seen robots take over so many jobs now it is not funny. If the PTB get ahold of them first we will be scrapping dumpsters for food and they will be sitting high on the hog. No need for us at all. Then they can get rid of us with no problem. If they just have us around now to do those slave chores, what will happen when robots can do them. They will live in TAP and we will be food for the hogs.

Laws are everything with humans. They use the laws to get what they want. It is the law you pay taxes, the law you go to jail for smoking pot, the law that says you must do things, the money is what they get when you break them. A bonus to keep you down. Even Mosis had 10 laws? Do we really need over a million of them? First, get rid of any laws that force people to be slaves in their own house.

Then everyone start taking a day off a week to cut back on taxes paid. Don't spend money on anything that is fighting you back. Use it to your advantage, not to theirs.

Save robots for last!

And this world you are talking about sure sounds like utopia to me. I guess I don't understand that word like you do. Dolphins are in utopia with no robots. Swim all day, eat free fish, what a life. Yet they will still outcast a member and even kill if need be. Their laws maybe very simple.

Deuem

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on February 06, 2014, 04:53:44 AM
Why is it the human species is the ONLY ONE needing $$$$$$$'s ?

Even on Earth the human species is a very, very small minority, compared to all the other species,
let alone all the species in this little universe ....  :)

Looks like we are the odd ones out in this ?

No not really! The people on this Earth are the only life-form group that is able to reach far beyond its created level in every aspect of thought and achievement. We are not the odd ones out. Rather we have proven capabilities that have demonstrated greatness beyond any levels of expectation, in spite of the need to deal with the frailties of humanness.

No, we will not succumb to the thoughts and comments of those who are unable to deal with normal day to day events and interactions of the society of man. The problems in the daily lives of people do need to be addressed, but those problems certainly won't be solved by creating "ghost story causes", and then trying to bring truth to the ghost stories.

In my opinion, TAP as is usually discussed here details "ghost story" problems.

Quote from: rdunk on February 06, 2014, 06:27:13 AM
No not really! The people on this Earth are the only life-form group that is able to reach far beyond its created level in every aspect of thought and achievement. We are not the odd ones out. Rather we have proven capabilities that have demonstrated greatness beyond any levels of expectation, in spite of the need to deal with the frailties of humanness.

No, we will not succumb to the thoughts and comments of those who are unable to deal with normal day to day events and interactions of the society of man. The problems in the daily lives of people do need to be addressed, but those problems certainly won't be solved by creating "ghost story causes", and then trying to bring truth to the ghost stories.

In my opinion, TAP as is usually discussed here details "ghost story" problems.

QuoteThe people on this Earth are the only life-form group that is able to reach far beyond
its created level in every aspect of thought and achievement. We are not the odd ones out.

Rather we have poven capabilities that have demonstrated greatness beyond any levels of expectation,
in spite of the need to deal with the frailties of humanness.

Heaaaa Right ......... 

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on February 06, 2014, 04:53:44 AM
Why is it the human species is the ONLY ONE needing $$$$$$$'s

I hear the Ferengi are worse than Hu-mons wanting GOLD

QuoteEven on Earth the human species is a very, very small minority, compared to all the other species,
let alone all the species in this little universe ....  :)

But other species DO hoard 'stuff' and will get very mad when you try to take it back. Ravens for one, Ferrets for another :D Both are expert thieves and very particular about what they want

And EVERYONE knows Dragons hoard  GOLD

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 06, 2014, 04:38:46 AM
I doubt that Mars would be the ONLY place They would be happy searching...  I bet They can choose to go to other planets, other stars, and beyond with the tech We have (hidden just now).  Just sayin'.

Well whether or not there is hidden tech... Hu-mons will not be going out to the stars anytime soon   Your ROBOTS will be doing that and already are. All Russian Progress series ships are robots, so is the Air Force space plane. All mining off world will be done by robots and NASA is creating the robot astronauts because space travel is to dangerous for Hu-mons


So Hu-mons will be left to smoke wacky tabacky to forget about life and tip toe trough the tulips...

...pretty much like the Hippies in the 70's :D

QuoteSo Hu-mons will be left to smoke wacky tabacky to forget about life and tip toe trough the tulips...

No tulips here, do we all have to move the Holand? After the failure of one of my processes being mis-understood I am thinking of changing my practice to "study flowers" anyways. Tinny Tim Move over.

Tip toe through the tulips, with me....Can't you just hear him singing that....

So the world is building up too tulips and smoking wacky tabacky, well that's better than war.

Deuem

Quote from: deuem on February 06, 2014, 11:41:11 AM
No tulips here, do we all have to move the Holand?

Horse Pucky!!! 

Tulips ready to blossom in Xining, NW China
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2013-05/09/c_132371190.htm

Tip toe through the tulips, with me....Can't you just hear him singing that....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skU-jBFzXl0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skU-jBFzXl0

QuoteSo the world is building up too tulips and smoking wacky tabacky, well that's better than war.

No Only the Western World.

The Muslims want to wipe us off the face of the Planet and China wants to buy us out :D  I doubt you will find that weed taking a foothold in either of those groups :P

QuoteThe Muslims want to wipe us off the face of the Planet and China wants to buy us out (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)  I doubt you will find that weed taking a foothold in either of those groups

Ok that will leave? Just the 2. Will it then be the Chinese vs the Muslims or will they leave each other alone? Both are noted for other drugs like opium, No?
D

Quote from: burntheships on February 06, 2014, 03:50:08 AM
I think it is the English language that comes up
short here, the greeks had a greater grasp on language
and humanity it you ask me, and a literary tradition that
impressed the Romans and made them envious.

I've heard it said often that the English language does not capsulate expressions that can be found in other languages.. I've always wanted to know how that works.

Like what could possibly be said in another language that cannot possibly be said in English?

Can anyone help me to understand?

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on February 06, 2014, 04:53:44 AM
Why is it the human species is the ONLY ONE needing $$$$$$$'s ?

And you know this as fact?  :P

Quote from: deuem on February 06, 2014, 05:46:07 AM
Laws are everything with humans.

In correct English that translates to: Laws + Humans = Everything  ;D

QuoteThey use the laws to get what they want.

But surely things come before the Laws, such has the designated authority to create such laws.

QuoteIt is the law you pay taxes

Isn't Income Tax like an 'unofficial' law in the States? aha.

Quotethe law that says you must do things

The law advises you of the likely consequences of the actions you choose to do.

QuoteEven Mosis had 10 laws?

Apparently the only ten we needed.

QuoteDo we really need over a million of them?

Hell no.

QuoteFirst, get rid of any laws

But in order to scrap the laws we need to scrap the 'authority' system that creates them.

QuoteThen everyone start taking a day off a week to cut back on taxes paid

Our taxes are percentage based, meaning a loose-loose situation  >:(

QuoteDon't spend money on anything that is fighting you back.

Yea, it pains me to feed these monster corporations.

QuoteSave robots for last!

I disagree, why should we do mundane tasks if a robot can do them?
I agree however that alternative 'employment' must be found, I say it like that because under Amys idea's it's not technically employment.

QuoteAnd this world you are talking about sure sounds like utopia to me.

I've said before Amy's idea is great, once it's in place - but it's the 'getting' in in place part that's not functional at the moment.

QuoteDolphins are in utopia with no robots. Swim all day, eat free fish, what a life.

And they get caught in fishing nets, consume plastic particles, suffer radiation and crude oil poisening, and get seering headches from our Sonar and Psychotronics that make them wash up every once in a while..

QuoteYet they will still outcast a member and even kill if need be. Their laws maybe very simple.

Random fact of the day, many dolphins have been known to commit gang rape on other dolphins..

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on February 05, 2014, 11:26:14 PM

Guess who this is ?  LOL

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/Gyrocopter_01_B.jpg)

TMT?  Is that you?  Sweet little gyrocopter!!!!

Hey Sinny,
Have you done something different with your hair? :D

Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on February 06, 2014, 01:54:40 PM
Hey Sinny,
Have you done something different with your hair? :D

Aha, that reminds me to grab a dye - I has date on saturday  ;D

Mehh, this avatars too dark - watch what I change it too  ;)

Quote from: Sinny on February 06, 2014, 02:06:46 PM
Mehh, this avatars too dark - watch what I change it too  ;)

Our new social currency? 

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

Quote from: Sinny on February 06, 2014, 01:31:37 PM
I've heard it said often that the English language does not capsulate expressions that can be found in other languages.. I've always wanted to know how that works.

Like what could possibly be said in another language that cannot possibly be said in English?

I think it's more the idea suggested by the way things are said than what is said, but I don't remember any example. :)

Quote from: ArMaP on February 06, 2014, 02:20:54 PM
I think it's more the idea suggested by the way things are said than what is said

The only thing I can envision also, thanks.

Quote from: Sinny on February 06, 2014, 01:31:37 PM
I've heard it said often that the English language does not capsulate expressions that can be found in other languages.. I've always wanted to know how that works.

Like what could possibly be said in another language that cannot possibly be said in English?

Can anyone help me to understand?

It can be true actually.
I remember reading about russian villages being overrun by the nazis during the second world war.
Going through the recollections of the peasants (as they were), I noticed that they spoke in a very poetic, imaginative way.
Quite beautiful really.
elvis.

Quote from: deuem on February 06, 2014, 05:46:07 AM
Then the PTB also do this, they work very hard scheming everyday.

I think you would do better working on the laws first. Many of out problems today are based on laws. The laws are made to make us do things we don't want or need to do. Many laws are pushed through just to make a small percentage more gains.

I wonder how many laws would actually be on the books if the people got to vote them in or out.

I also wish that your idea of robots would be pushed to the very last thing on the list [if ever]  I have seen robots take over so many jobs now it is not funny. If the PTB get ahold of them first we will be scrapping dumpsters for food and they will be sitting high on the hog. No need for us at all. Then they can get rid of us with no problem. If they just have us around now to do those slave chores, what will happen when robots can do them. They will live in TAP and we will be food for the hogs.

Laws are everything with humans. They use the laws to get what they want. It is the law you pay taxes, the law you go to jail for smoking pot, the law that says you must do things, the money is what they get when you break them. A bonus to keep you down. Even Mosis had 10 laws? Do we really need over a million of them? First, get rid of any laws that force people to be slaves in their own house.

Then everyone start taking a day off a week to cut back on taxes paid. Don't spend money on anything that is fighting you back. Use it to your advantage, not to theirs.

Save robots for last!

And this world you are talking about sure sounds like utopia to me. I guess I don't understand that word like you do. Dolphins are in utopia with no robots. Swim all day, eat free fish, what a life. Yet they will still outcast a member and even kill if need be. Their laws maybe very simple.

Deuem

Great.  Work laws then.  I can't spread awareness of the solution and fight billions of laws, one by one.

BUT, in bringing awareness of the solution, I HAVE to include robots as there is no other way to ensure We do not have to force, coerce or bribe Some to do work We need done.  Leaving robots out of the solution is no solution at all.

I applaud any who want to work laws - none of which are laws, but are statutes, codes, bills, regulations, etc. as there are only three Laws - but MY work on this planet is to provide the awareness to as many as possible, getting that awareness to the tipping point.

And if 90+% of Us agree that all the machinations of "laws" being used against Us are just words with no weight, and proclaim the three Laws as Our only regulatory constrictions, there will be few to go about enforcing the petty legislations.

Though there is no law saying We here in the US must pay taxes, if We ALL quit paying them, the IRS might be able to mess with .001% of Us, and We might choose to protect those .001%.  Just sayin'.

Quote from: Sinny on February 06, 2014, 01:48:35 PM
But in order to scrap the laws we need to scrap the 'authority' system that creates them.

YES!  GFY!  The "authority" behind these "laws" is in question, and getting rid of the system first seems the most promising avenue.  ("Authority" is only authority when We consent...)

Ok, no one believes what vision I see if Robots come first.

Everyone will be out of work and the PTB will have robots do all their work and then dismiss us. Why do they need slaves when they have robots. Think as you will, I have seen robots replace millions of jobs already. This should be the very last thing on the list or maybe not on the list at all. It is a dangerous move to push. A job that you may think is mundain, other people like. I have seen people do the same job day after day and be very happy.

The entire system of laws and the people that make them are in control. Currently in the USA one can get arrested for almost anything if they want to. There are so many laws, even the computers can't locate them all. They use laws to maintain your position and drain your money from your pockets. When the SHTF and you think you can revolt, think again, you can't even wear a mask today. Jail time. And on what side will the police and service men be on, the side of the LAW. They swore to that. No?

Maybe the world is building up to a major revolution and they will all be cut down with bullets and drones. Then swept away to yesterday.

Deuem

Quote from: deuem on February 06, 2014, 05:50:23 PM
Ok, no one believes what vision I see if Robots come first.

Everyone will be out of work and the PTB will have robots do all their work and then dismiss us. Why do they need slaves when they have robots. Think as you will, I have seen robots replace millions of jobs already. This should be the very last thing on the list or maybe not on the list at all. It is a dangerous move to push. A job that you may think is mundain, other people like. I have seen people do the same job day after day and be very happy.

The entire system of laws and the people that make them are in control. Currently in the USA one can get arrested for almost anything if they want to. There are so many laws, even the computers can't locate them all. They use laws to maintain your position and drain your money from your pockets. When the SHTF and you think you can revolt, think again, you can't even wear a mask today. Jail time. And on what side will the police and service men be on, the side of the LAW. They swore to that. No?

Maybe the world is building up to a major revolution and they will all be cut down with bullets and drones. Then swept away to yesterday.

Deuem

I think Their foremost allegiance is to the Constitution...?  MANY "laws" are counter to that - the mere mandate that We must register arms is in violation of the 2nd amendment as it infringes upon the right to bear them.

Deuem - Your thought on robots are much like mine.  We already have robots replacing human workers putting people out of work and scrambling to find a new job.  Robots have been a cursed blessing in the factories.  Factory bosses get to fire human workers and replace them with non-union  drones.  A world of robots doing every job would be a dead boring place.

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 06, 2014, 06:00:29 PM
I think Their foremost allegiance is to the Constitution...?  MANY "laws" are counter to that - the mere mandate that We must register arms is in violation of the 2nd amendment as it infringes upon the right to bear them.

???  There's no registration where I live.  I've never been asked at any time to register my firearms.  Where are you talking of?

Quote from: deuem on February 06, 2014, 05:50:23 PM
Ok, no one believes what vision I see if Robots come first.

Everyone will be out of work and the PTB will have robots do all their work and then dismiss us. Why do they need slaves when they have robots. Think as you will, I have seen robots replace millions of jobs already. This should be the very last thing on the list or maybe not on the list at all. It is a dangerous move to push. A job that you may think is mundain, other people like. I have seen people do the same job day after day and be very happy.

The entire system of laws and the people that make them are in control. Currently in the USA one can get arrested for almost anything if they want to. There are so many laws, even the computers can't locate them all. They use laws to maintain your position and drain your money from your pockets. When the SHTF and you think you can revolt, think again, you can't even wear a mask today. Jail time. And on what side will the police and service men be on, the side of the LAW. They swore to that. No?

Maybe the world is building up to a major revolution and they will all be cut down with bullets and drones. Then swept away to yesterday.

Deuem

Well I was talking hypothetical futuristic utopia, robots do the crap, we do the fun :)

If food, clothing, shelter, transportation are provided for free...what do We need "jobs" for?  If We do not add robots at some point We WILL have to force, coerce or bribe People to do things They do not want to do.  Period.

Quote from: Sinny on February 06, 2014, 06:14:50 PM
hypothetical futuristic utopia

Nailed it.  In about 20,000 generations if the human race lives that long.  +1 gold

Quote from: WarToad on February 06, 2014, 06:07:08 PM
Deuem - Your thought on robots are much like mine.  We already have robots replacing human workers putting people out of work and scrambling to find a new job.  Robots have been a cursed blessing in the factories.  Factory bosses get to fire human workers and replace them with non-union  drones.  A world of robots doing every job would be a dead boring place.

Who said robots will do everything?  I said that FIRST, People who LOVE to do any given thing may do it.  All I would eliminate is the requirement to bribe, coerce or force People to do things.

I would have a world where We all are doing things We LOVE to do, with no requirement to forsake what We love in order to survive on this planet.  To cling to the idea that robots take away the jobs People really don't want to do (most jobs, the vast majority of which are non-productive and involve supporting the system of money) so We should not add robots and get rid of the need for money to survive in society, with all its inherent issues, is not "common sense."

Quote from: Sinny on February 06, 2014, 06:14:50 PM
Well I was talking hypothetical futuristic utopia, robots do the crap, we do the fun :)

What "utopia?"  We will still have issues, but they will NOT include a power "elite" bent on reducing the population for better and more complete control, will not include poverty, oppression, wage/debt slavery, or profiteering.

A BETTER system, not a utopia.  (And only "hypothetical" if We do nothing to get there.)

Quote from: WarToad on February 06, 2014, 06:13:22 PM
???  There's no registration where I live.  I've never been asked at any time to register my firearms.  Where are you talking of?

In most states in the US, One is required to register firearms of some caliber, makes, models, etc.  Where do You live?

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 06, 2014, 06:29:22 PM
In most states in the US, One is required to register firearms of some caliber, makes, models, etc.  Where do You live?

North Dakota. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_North_Dakota

And when I lived in Washington state there was no registration there either, othe than the purchase documentation of a retail dealer which is pretty meaningless since you can sell it to another person and there's no documentation at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Washington

And when I lived in Iowa, no registration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Iowa

Quote from: Sinny on February 06, 2014, 01:31:37 PM
I've heard it said often that the English language does not capsulate expressions that can be found in other languages.. I've always wanted to know how that works.

Like what could possibly be said in another language that cannot possibly be said in English?

Can anyone help me to understand?

Sinny,

My comments were specific to the English language use of the
word "love". In the Greek language there were many words
for our one word "love".

In Ancient Greek the words philia, eros, agape, storge,
and xenia were used to describe "love".

Each one of them describing a different sense of love.

Kinship; familiarity; old friend described by the word Storge

Friendship; fellowship; neighbor; described by the word Philia

Sexual and/or romantic; physical desire  described by the word Eros

Self-emptying; Divine love described by the word Agape

In addition to all of the above, there were many uses of the
other words that were very complex, using many meanings
combined to give a greater depth to what we use one word
for.

:)

No, most states do not have gun registration. What most states have is the requirement from the feds for a background search on the buyer, when a firearm is being purchased from a firearm dealer. In most states, private sales have no requirements. Purchase of firearms from internet firearm dealers require that the firearm be shipped to a Federal Firearms Licensed Dealer, so that Fed/State compliance requirements are maintained.

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 06, 2014, 06:29:22 PM
In most states in the US, One is required to register firearms of some caliber, makes, models, etc.  Where do You live?

I'm from the UK and I now this  :P

Quote from: Sinny on February 06, 2014, 01:33:51 PM
And you know this as fact?  :P

Hi Sinny,

I wonder if anyone can identify another Species, who does have an economic system ?

I would be interested if they could ?   :)

Quote from: Sinny on February 06, 2014, 07:26:22 PM
I'm from the UK and I now this  :P

Sinny, in most states in the US you are NOT required to register your firearms.  I have quite a few of them, I have lived in 3 states, I've never been required to register them.

There are a couple oddball states with requirements though.  That's the problem with 50 states all with independent state sovereignty.  You get 50 different sets of laws making it clear as mud sometimes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state

Quote from: WarToad on February 06, 2014, 01:53:52 PM
TMT?  Is that you?  Sweet little gyrocopter!!!!

NOT my Gyrocopter but this was at a private air show I was at ...

So had to go for a Spin in it !

I have built a Gyrocopter in the past (Single Seat with VW engine)

Its still flying today, owner in the South Island, last I heard about it ..


It has a turboed Rotax engine in it and reached speed of 125 + Km/h airspeed.

Like this but with a Turbo ...





A hell of a lot of fun.   ;D

Gyrocopters are very common in nz ...

My experience of this program (Earth) has covered many, many different experiences ...


Like Somma I LOVE Living ...

I guess I am a bit of an "Adrenalin Junky" and still a child at heart ... I'll give anything a go ... LOL


The Ol monkey (Meat Suit)  is paying for it now, but I would do it all again !

To whoever started this thread.

The "world" is not building up to anything. 

It was all going to end OR change to some golden era two years ago in regards to 2012. 

Search Remote Viewing predictions from the 80's/90's. 

People seek fear.

And if people are so fearful then if the world collapse's in half then they really shouldnt have a problem killing anyone that get's in their way to survive... Which bring's us to another problem.. People don't even train to do that these days. 

So all in all life is good!  Crazy and disfunctual as usual :D

   

Quote from: WarToad on February 06, 2014, 07:54:40 PM
Sinny, in most states in the US you are NOT required to register your firearms.  I have quite a few of them, I have lived in 3 states, I've never been required to register them.

There are a couple oddball states with requirements though.  That's the problem with 50 states all with independent state sovereignty.  You get 50 different sets of laws making it clear as mud sometimes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state

We have gun laws in NZ involving the compulsory licencing of "fire arms",
but of course ONLY the "Law abiding Citizens" are going to comply ...
Which leaves the Problems still there, with the Gangs and Criminal element !

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on February 06, 2014, 08:02:32 PM
We have gun laws in NZ involving the compulsory licencing of "fire arms",
but of course ONLY the "Law abiding Citizens" are going to comply ...
Which leaves the Problems still there, with the Gangs and Criminal element !

Which is why most gun laws are nonsense.  Law abiding citizens comply, who are not the problem.  The lawless could care less and 10,000 gun laws on the books become as meaningless as the dust they collect.

I would never register my guns.that means im of a criminal mind.lol.
Being acriminal is like being a sinner.not relative any more.our governments are corrupt from the top down.this causes them to be irrelivant.so basically.if you want to do something illegal and know you can get away with it.then it dont matter..where as i use to have a guilty conscience.i dont even bother complaining to the public any more because the corruption is public knowledge.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on February 06, 2014, 08:02:32 PM
We have gun laws in NZ involving the compulsory licencing of "fire arms",
but of course ONLY the "Law abiding Citizens" are going to comply ...
Which leaves the Problems still there, with the Gangs and Criminal element !

Same in the UK :D

All the bad guys and gang members and wanna be terrorists have GUNS GALORE while the UK citizen can't even get a Rabbit Gun without jumping trough a hundred hoops

I bet I could fly to London and pick up a piece in a day

::)

WELCOME TO NEVADA!!!!

Machine guns and fully automatic LEGAL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sUdijlomfw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sUdijlomfw

OPEN CARRY is LEGAL :D

IF!!!

People get everything FREE without having to WORK for it...

...in a few short years the VAST MAJORITY of people will become fat lazy useless eaters that only want to smoke WEED all day

This has happened REPEATEDLY throughout HISTORY when leisure time was abundant.

ROBOTS 

An Example from Current Reality

Supermarket robot checkout. Most grocery stores here in Vegas have implemented automated checkout systems  and thus have cut out useless human tellers that need a paycheck and benefits putting them out of work

Most stores will have a dozen machines and maybe 2 live checkers on hand.

Now the machines have a problem...

They are easy to cheat because NO ONE is monitoring that you ring up every item.  And as was pointed out to me today, you can take premium tomatoes and type in the selection for the cheap ones. NO ONE would know

It is a good thing that MOST people still have the Fear of God in them to keep them inherently 'honest' :D

Do these machines drop the price of food? No they just increase the profits :P and save in workmen's comp

Too bad all those out of work checkers can't afford to shop there anymore as they have no job

:o

::)

History is never remembered in times like these.

OBEY!, OBEY!, OBEY!



(http://s14.postimg.org/f25ob9ixd/gunlaw2u.jpg)

This article talks of supermarkets losing Billions in Australia through the Self Scan Robotic System.  I deplore the loss of Check-Out People who I do get to know and chat with.  But more importantly  "How can a market of 24 odd million people scam Billions through Self Checkout" ????

Not Miilions... BUT Billions in Ausatralia are being Scammed by bad people at self serve check-outs :P

Self-scan fail: Supermarkets lose billions as thieving customers help themselves

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/money/saving/selfscan-fail-supermarkets-lose-billions-as-thieving-customers-help-themselves-20140130-31o3p.html#ixzz2sZsgDsoL

Well there goes that "Inherently honest' thing I was talking about

Same as leaving your keys in your car with the window open...

People that would not normally steal... see the open opportunity

Hu-mon is as Hu-mon does  give em an inch they will steal a mile :D

Quote from: Gigas on February 06, 2014, 08:51:07 PM
History is never remembered in times like these.

Quite true

Native Americans gave up their guns too... see how that worked out for them

Quote from: WarToad on February 06, 2014, 08:16:40 PM
Which is why most gun laws are nonsense.  Law abiding citizens comply, who are not the problem.  The lawless could care less and 10,000 gun laws on the books become as meaningless as the dust they collect.

Your NOT wrong there ...   :)

Quote from: deuem on February 06, 2014, 12:04:21 PM
Ok that will leave? Just the 2. Will it then be the Chinese vs the Muslims or will they leave each other alone? Both are noted for other drugs like opium, No?

The Chinese have had a long history of minding their own business.  I would not worry about them too much except that since they have adopted and embraced their own form of CAPITALISM they will likely have the buying power to but the world :D (A thing I am counting on when we sell them the planets :P)

This is the BIG FLAW in Amy's TAP

She forgets to take into account that OTHERS have their OWN 'tipping point' agenda... so who will sway the teeter totter?

As for the Muslims, their only BLISS is seeing the entire world blindly worshiping ALLAH. They could care less about anything else, though the Oil Sheiks do like their MONEY  Oddly enough the Oil Sheiks give their citizens NO INCOME TAX

Quote from: zorgon on February 06, 2014, 08:42:16 PM
IF!!!

People get everything FREE without having to WORK for it...

...in a few short years the VAST MAJORITY of people will become fat lazy useless eaters that only want to smoke WEED all day

This has happened REPEATEDLY throughout HISTORY when leisure time was abundant.

Yes, and all of the other things working people don't have time for until TAP is implemented - free beer & free Cialis & etc = resulting debauchery and complete failure of whatever society there is.

Quote from: zorgon on February 06, 2014, 08:42:16 PM
IF!!!

People get everything FREE without having to WORK for it...

...in a few short years the VAST MAJORITY of people will become fat lazy useless eaters that only want to smoke WEED all day

This has happened REPEATEDLY throughout HISTORY when leisure time was abundant.

When has a society had a Betterment Ethic in place, promoted children to find what They love to do and pursue it, had worldwide communication and travel, and had leisure for all?

And WHY does it MATTER what ANY other Human Being chooses to do with Their time as long as it is not harming Others?

WHO CARES if They choose to do nothing with Their lives?

Quote from: zorgon on February 06, 2014, 08:48:22 PM
ROBOTS 

An Example from Current Reality

Supermarket robot checkout. Most grocery stores here in Vegas have implemented automated checkout systems  and thus have cut out useless human tellers that need a paycheck and benefits putting them out of work

Most stores will have a dozen machines and maybe 2 live checkers on hand.

Now the machines have a problem...

They are easy to cheat because NO ONE is monitoring that you ring up every item.  And as was pointed out to me today, you can take premium tomatoes and type in the selection for the cheap ones. NO ONE would know

It is a good thing that MOST people still have the Fear of God in them to keep them inherently 'honest' :D

Do these machines drop the price of food? No they just increase the profits :P and save in workmen's comp

Too bad all those out of work checkers can't afford to shop there anymore as they have no job

:o

::)

And none of this is an issue in a society that does not ring up products, but allows them to be obtained for free.

Quote from: zorgon on February 06, 2014, 09:23:08 PM
Well there goes that "Inherently honest' thing I was talking about

Same as leaving your keys in your car with the window open...

People that would not normally steal... see the open opportunity

Hu-mon is as Hu-mon does  give em an inch they will steal a mile :D

Yeah, in a society that keeps People from things unless They have added enough energy to the system to acquire tokens to get things.  No One will steal something They can get for the asking.

EDIT to add:  How many People do NOT steal the car and, though noticing, walk on by?  Or are You saying ALL of Us would steal the car?

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 06, 2014, 10:19:22 PM
And none of this is an issue in a society that does not ring up products, but allows them to be obtained for free.

You forgot to put "nonexistent" before "society". :)

Quote from: ArMaP on February 06, 2014, 10:22:57 PM
You forgot to put "nonexistent" before "society". :)

According to Matrix, for what it's worth, We are the only Ones with this system.  So adding "nonexistent" cannot be proven.

Quote from: rdunk on February 06, 2014, 10:12:47 PM
Yes, and all of the other things working people don't have time for until TAP is implemented - free beer & free Cialis & etc = resulting debauchery and complete failure of whatever society there is.

You don't know that.  You think this system, with it's massive poverty, oppression, slavery of wage and debt enriching the few, power "elite" with diabolical plans, police state, surveillance, and vast profiteering is GOOD?  Really?

Quote from: zorgon on February 06, 2014, 09:37:28 PM
The Chinese have had a long history of minding their own business.  I would not worry about them too much except that since they have adopted and embraced their own form of CAPITALISM they will likely have the buying power to but the world :D (A thing I am counting on when we sell them the planets :P)

This is the BIG FLAW in Amy's TAP

She forgets to take into account that OTHERS have their OWN 'tipping point' agenda... so who will sway the teeter totter?

As for the Muslims, their only BLISS is seeing the entire world blindly worshiping ALLAH. They could care less about anything else, though the Oil Sheiks do like their MONEY  Oddly enough the Oil Sheiks give their citizens NO INCOME TAX

Considering that the vast majority would profit personally from the TAP system, which way do You think the majority would choose?

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 06, 2014, 10:32:03 PM
You don't know that.  You think this system, with it's massive poverty, oppression, slavery of wage and debt enriching the few, power "elite" with diabolical plans, police state, surveillance, and vast profiteering is GOOD?  Really?

Its not about what is good or bad... its about what works or not.  Obviously the system we live in is far from perfect ... Sometimes it even seems to be intolerable.

But where are the errors in a system made by men, if not in themselves?

Most of the problems of the modern world are generated by corruption. You cant change a system if you not change whom drives it.

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 06, 2014, 10:32:03 PM
You don't know that.

Yes we DO know that History has shown us EXACTLY that is what happens

QuoteYou think this system, with it's massive poverty, oppression, slavery of wage and debt enriching the few, power "elite" with diabolical plans, police state, surveillance, and vast profiteering is GOOD?  Really?

No the current system SUCKS because while it started out as great, it soon was corrupted b\y the few

But WHY?  Because the many ALLOW it to happen to themselves.  I have seen it on my personal small scale microcosim with the Medieval Guild

All I need to make people my Vassals is the RIGHT game plan.  In my case I ma a benevolent dictator :P and because of rule#1 "BUILD IT and they will COME" I can literally create my own Kingdom that people will BLISSFULLY join  and do the dirty work in return for the 'gold'  In this case the 'gold' is being part of something bigger and greater than themselves

I know you don't consider this a valid example... but that is why you fail to grasp the truth about human nature

At the end of this month I will be going to War! This time not as a King, but a mere Merchant... (I need the Gold to rebuild my own empire :P )  At this war will be 7-8,000 people that WILLINGLY bow to various Kings and 'sell' themselves into serfdom. These 8K people are part of a worldwide thing that has over 40,000 members in the one organization alone

You think it is a game... but that only shows how little you understand human nature. I will say one thing... if the world ever went to Hell in a Hand basket, you should look to these people fro support :D They(We) have the skills to survive in style

So the system of money and barter is FINE... it is those that have taken the TOOLS and learned how to use them to further their OWN agenda that is the problem

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 06, 2014, 10:27:39 PM
According to Matrix, for what it's worth, We are the only Ones with this system.

According to some people we are the only with any system.

QuoteSo adding "nonexistent" cannot be proven.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean with "cannot be proven". What cannot be proven? ???

Maybe bit of a side topic...

But I found this interview Alex Jones has with some guy calling himself LabRat from NM... who works for either some company like Google or Amazon and says how they may now be already controlling us & our Futures with the Super Computers High Technology software programs..

I don't think that I have come across this being said before...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95vKf969yfw

This is an article of Glen Beck..who is similar in some ways to Alex Jones on his comments about Obama...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/06/he-s-back-glenn-beck-says-obama-will-throw-opponents-in-internment-camps.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Farticles+%28The+Daily+Beast+-+Latest+Articles%29#url=/articles/2014/02/06/he-s-back-glenn-beck-says-obama-will-throw-opponents-in-internment-camps.html

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 06, 2014, 10:34:09 PM
Considering that the vast majority would profit personally from the TAP system, which way do You think the majority would choose?

Define "profit", please. :)

Quote from: RUSSO on February 06, 2014, 10:40:38 PM
Its not about what is good or bad... its about what works or not.  Obviously the system we live in is far from perfect ... Sometimes it even seems to be intolerable.

But where are the errors in a system made by men, if not in themselves?

Most of the problems of the modern world are generated by corruption. You cant change a system if you not change whom drives it.

Agreed.  That's why I offer ideas for change.  Read My piece:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5607.0

Quote from: ArMaP on February 06, 2014, 11:52:34 PM
Define "profit", please. :)

In this case, benefit.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 06, 2014, 11:49:33 PM
According to some people we are the only with any system.
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean with "cannot be proven". What cannot be proven? ???

That moneyless systems do not exist.

Quote from: zorgon on February 06, 2014, 10:55:35 PM
Yes we DO know that History has shown us EXACTLY that is what happens

Give Me a specific.

QuoteNo the current system SUCKS because while it started out as great, it soon was corrupted b\y the few

As will ALWAYS happen in a money system that promotes the psychopaths.

QuoteBut WHY?  Because the many ALLOW it to happen to themselves.  I have seen it on my personal small scale microcosim with the Medieval Guild

And They are all educated with truth?  Most "allow" it because They don't have all the data and think there is no other choice.

QuoteAll I need to make people my Vassals is the RIGHT game plan.  In my case I ma a benevolent dictator :P and because of rule#1 "BUILD IT and they will COME" I can literally create my own Kingdom that people will BLISSFULLY join  and do the dirty work in return for the 'gold'  In this case the 'gold' is being part of something bigger and greater than themselves

I find it highly amusing that You take a play-acting scenario and apply it to reality.

QuoteI know you don't consider this a valid example... but that is why you fail to grasp the truth about human nature

Sure.  Whatever You say.

QuoteAt the end of this month I will be going to War! This time not as a King, but a mere Merchant... (I need the Gold to rebuild my own empire :P )  At this war will be 7-8,000 people that WILLINGLY bow to various Kings and 'sell' themselves into serfdom. These 8K people are part of a worldwide thing that has over 40,000 members in the one organization alone

Yeah.  Fun.  Pretend.  Not real.  But People always behave in pretend constructs as They would in RL, so yeah.  Whatever You say.

QuoteYou think it is a game... but that only shows how little you understand human nature. I will say one thing... if the world ever went to Hell in a Hand basket, you should look to these people fro support :D They(We) have the skills to survive in style

Yup.  You're right.

QuoteSo the system of money and barter is FINE... it is those that have taken the TOOLS and learned how to use them to further their OWN agenda that is the problem

And the REAL problem is that that will ALWAYS happen in ALL money systems because such systems promote the psychopaths.

There is another way !

But 1st we need to rid the world of "Corruption" but that's NOT going to happen,
while the human species ("The Meat Suit") is put before LIFE !

The "human Species" is inherently Corrupt to the "core" !


BUT if we were to put LIFE 1st, we then have a common base,
where we all work for each other instead of ourselves.   :)


Then and only then, we will have true "Cooperation" .....   :)  and NOT "WAR "



Do I think this will happen ?

NOT for some years yet !

But eventually I think we will have NO "choice", but to change, when we exhaust,
all the other possibilities.

What was it about Thomas Edison ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Edison

He invented a thousand and one ways of HOW NOT to make a light bulb,
before One way, which worked ....  :)

QuoteAnd the REAL problem is that, that will ALWAYS happen in ALL money systems because such systems promote the psychopaths.

I need to rethink my life, Hum, [thinking] "If I become a Psychopath, I will have all the money I need and goods I can ever dream of". Hummm! Sounds better that what I am doing now! Is there an Idiots book to becomming a Psychopath or do I have to wait for the movie?

Are there any poor Psychopaths or are they all rich?

Are there any non-psychopaths that are rich or are they all poor?

Are all the people who make dirty decissions psychopaths or are they just in that position that they have to make a call and let the chips fly.

Hummmm?

Deuem

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 07, 2014, 12:44:41 AM

As will ALWAYS happen in a money system that promotes the psychopaths.

What a ridiculous statement.  Because I work, I save, I invest, I started my own company, I hired people to work for me and while paying them I also made money from their labor.... I'm a psychopath.  ("Rich" = "psychopath") (Side note - I don't consider myself "rich")

No.  That's basic business.  No one takes a risk and goes into business to lose money, or even break even.  You do it to hopefully make money. 

Apparently in Amaterasu's world providing good paying jobs for people is bad for society.

I think what you want is to not work and still have every single thing you ever want.  The socialist welfare uber utopia.  Punish the workers and reward to couch potatos.  The couch potatos become the new elite at the workers expense. 

Quote from: WarToad on February 07, 2014, 12:57:11 PM
("Rich" = "psychopath") (Side note - I don't consider myself "rich")

I think that we cannot comprehend the word 'rich'... as we are not the 0.1%

And from the 0.1% it's about 0.02% that are FILTHY RICH and yes, they are indeed the psychopaths.

Quote from: Sinny on February 07, 2014, 01:33:22 PM
I think that we cannot comprehend the word 'rich'... as we are not the 0.1%

And from the 0.1% it's about 0.02% that are FILTHY RICH and yes, they are indeed the psychopaths.

No they are not.  They are people.  Just having money does not automatically make you a psychopath.  That's like casting a wide net and saying white skin makes you a racist.

Quote from: WarToad on February 07, 2014, 02:01:03 PM
No they are not.  They are people.  Just having money does not automatically make you a psychopath.  That's like casting a wide net and saying white skin makes you a racist.

WarToad, I completely agree with you on this. Are there rich psychopaths? Of course "Yes"! Are some people on welfare and food stamps psychopaths? Of course "yes"! One comment states that sociopath Experts estimate 1% to 4% of people are psychopaths, or have antisocial personality disorder. So, in those percentages, some of them are going to be in the rich category.

So Psychopathy is a recognized fairly general disorder, and is most certainly not limited to the rich.

Actually, do not most people associate with people who have similar monetary and social status situations?? If so, that means that the less-rich associate with those that are less rich. Does that mean they are "anti-socilal" toward the rich? Nope - just means they associate with the people they are most comfortable and happy with. Same would obviously go for the filthy rich - association is generally with peers for every level of the money ladder. So, to not closely associate with others outside one's peer level is no particular indication of psychopathy!

Some people were born into rich family situations. Many of today's rich people became rich on the basis of their ideas, capabilities, and hard work in building business empires, some having started in very off-beat places, like their dorm rooms for instance. Those born into it were fortunate, and those that made it themselves were extremely fortunate!   

Is there a medical term for those that "envy" those that are rich?? Phsyco_ _ _ _ ?

Is there a medical term for those who think the rich people should have to directly support the poor people? Psycho_ _ _ ?

Just one simple reason for the rich at any level being somewhat "anti-social" - panhandling at every level for help. We likely cannot even imagine how the rich are approached directly for "handouts"! Asking for everything from very small amounts of money to major investment amounts, for the "everybody has a bright idea on how to make money" scamming, except they haven't made theirs yet! Don't we hear some of that happening, from the major lotto winners??

If the rich do indicate some anti-socialness, I would say much of it would be "for cause"!

Just say'in!!

Quote from: rdunk on February 07, 2014, 05:22:25 PM
Is there a medical term for those that "envy" those that are rich?? Phsyco_ _ _ _ ?

The social term is simply "class envy".  One of the seven deadly sins.   :)

And yes, I've lost track of how many times I've read Lotto winners saying that winning was one of the worst things that happened to them.  Money =/= happiness.

, , , I still think the world is building up to something WONDERFUL.   ;D

Quote from: Norval on February 07, 2014, 06:58:48 PM
, , , I still think the world is building up to something WONDERFUL.   ;D

I applaud your sentiment mate.

And yea, money is not happiness. In a younger life I had more than I could cope with. All I have seen is more invented worry.
We worry when we don't have enough and invent new problems when we have too much.
Just enough to pay the bills and some treats is how I have felt the happiest.
Honestly.

Quote from: Norval on February 07, 2014, 06:58:48 PM
, , , I still think the world is building up to something WONDERFUL.   ;D

Well, not everyone see things the same, but yes, the pieces of the puzzle have been visibly coming together for some time. And when "this puzzle" is complete, it will be more than wonderful!

Quote from: Elvis Hendrix on February 07, 2014, 07:47:14 PM
And yea, money is not happiness.

No Money is a TOOL and it depends on how you use it :D  Money itself is not happiness. If you let the tool control YOU then miseries shall be your reward...

Money is not health, but money would allow one to hire the best available doctors rather than rotting away without treatment

Money is not love, but money will let you travel so you can find love, instead of hiding away in your cave making out on the internet pretending you are happy

Money is not happiness, but money would certainly allow me to buy things that would greatly improve my well being :P like an ATV so I can go back out exploring despite my bad legs, instead of being stuck behind the computer

RICH  is a relative term. Those that seek wealth for the sake of wealth and only care about the size of the number attached to their name are not RICH.... they just have a lot of GOLD :P

But why would ANYONE (other than Amy :P) not want to have enough money to live comfortably and worry and debt free? You don't need MILLIONS.... $200,000.00 is plenty. Enough to buy a house and car and pay cash for them so no debt... with some left over

Sure its great to dream about a new system that benefits all... but that is a dream that will never likely happen and even if it did it would not be withing most of our lifetimes.

So in the MEANTIME, while we are waiting for this to materialize out of thin air... WHY would ANYONE resist solutions that will help them be more comfortable in the current paradigm?

I don't get it... I really don't

Smoking pot is your answer? Well so be it.  The Rapture is coming? Well I doubt that... people been saying that for hundreds of years.

Myself... I will just practice what I preach and by the end of 2014 I will be RICH :P If the world ends before that so be it... not much I can do about that. But we survived 2000 and we survived 2012... not much has changed.  So screw it... time to focus on filling my Chests with GOLD :D

Why not find a person with an atv and metal detector.pay for their expenses to prospect for you.49/51 split.you get the 51% because you finance the operation.

Quote from: robomont on February 07, 2014, 08:47:28 PM
Why not find a person with an atv and metal detector.pay for their expenses to prospect for you.49/51 split.you get the 51% because you finance the operation.

I could do that :D  but I won't need to ;)  Since I discovered that RICH people pay a lot of money for stuff on auction sites, I have a new direction to get cash :D

Metal detector top of the line  $750.00
Polaris ATV 2 seater used $2500.00

Red Skelton "Samurai" signed print picked up at Yard Sale $40.00

Red Skelton "Samurai" signed print value at auction starting bid $2,000.00

:D


And wait till I sell my minerals and DINO egg :D

Quote from: zorgon on February 07, 2014, 08:29:06 PM
So in the MEANTIME, while we are waiting for this to materialize out of thin air... WHY would ANYONE resist solutions that will help them be more comfortable in the current paradigm?

I suppose that's because it's not their system, and, to those people, only their system and their opinion counts.

Quote from: deuem on February 07, 2014, 12:23:40 PM

I need to rethink my life, Hum, [thinking] "If I become a Psychopath, I will have all the money I need and goods I can ever dream of". Hummm! Sounds better that what I am doing now! Is there an Idiots book to becomming a Psychopath or do I have to wait for the movie?

Wrong thinking, Deuem.  If You "become a psychopath," You will be ruthless and will do whatever it takes to get money/power over Others, and stand a FAR greater chance of succeeding, as You do things that may (and do) hurt Others, kill Others, and take through nefarious means that which Others earned.  Being a psychopath does not GUARANTEE You will succeed, but the system does PROMOTE the psychopaths over the People who will stop short of hurting/killing/robbing/defrauding Their fellow Humans.

The rest of Your questions are moot, being based in Your wrong thinking.

Quote from: WarToad on February 07, 2014, 12:57:11 PM
What a ridiculous statement.  Because I work, I save, I invest, I started my own company, I hired people to work for me and while paying them I also made money from their labor.... I'm a psychopath.  ("Rich" = "psychopath") (Side note - I don't consider myself "rich")

Wartoad, sometimes I think You are deliberately dense.  What part of "PROMOTE" don't You understand?  "Rich" is relative, but surely there is plenty of evidence that the trillionaires on this planet (Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc.) ARE psychopathic.  Where do You see Them helping Humanity with the wealth They have?  They could raise ALL of Us up to Your level and STILL have billions left over.

QuoteApparently in Amaterasu's world providing good paying jobs for people is bad for society.

I think what you want is to not work and still have every single thing you ever want.  The socialist welfare uber utopia.  Punish the workers and reward to couch potatos.  The couch potatos become the new elite at the workers expense.

Meh.  You clearly don't get it.  Deliberately dense or not.  Have a nice life.  On this I'm done with YOU.

Quote from: Sinny on February 07, 2014, 01:33:22 PM
I think that we cannot comprehend the word 'rich'... as we are not the 0.1%

And from the 0.1% it's about 0.02% that are FILTHY RICH and yes, they are indeed the psychopaths.

Yes, Sinny.  They surely are.  And it is indeed relative.  The garden variety of millionaire is likely not psychopathic.  Many billionaires, are not (though a higher percentage of Them are than of millionaires).  The FILTHY (good word for it!) RICH are virtually all psychopaths.  GFY.

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 07, 2014, 10:39:08 PM
The rest of Your questions are moot, being based in Your wrong thinking.

Well I hear "Wrong Thinking" can be cured :D

"Nonconformity and Freethinking Now Considered Mental Illnesses" (http://www.madinamerica.com/2013/12/nonconformity-freethinking-now-considered-mental-illnesses/)

QuoteMetal detector top of the line  $750.00

Make one for a mere Fraction of the price ...   :)

Quote from: WarToad on February 07, 2014, 05:34:51 PM
The social term is simply "class envy".  One of the seven deadly sins.   :)

And yes, I've lost track of how many times I've read Lotto winners saying that winning was one of the worst things that happened to them.  Money =/= happiness.

What part of starving to death don't You under stand?  I work for the billion or more that starve on this planet.  Meh.  I said I was through.  I am.

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 07, 2014, 11:10:14 PM
I work for the billion or more that starve on this planet.

You don't work, you just talk about your idea.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 07, 2014, 11:20:00 PM
You don't work, you just talk about your idea.

You don't think 50+ years of analysis, contemplation, research, writing, and spending time spreading ideas, is work?  Meh.  Whatever, ArMaP.

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 07, 2014, 11:37:35 PM
You don't think 50+ years of analysis, contemplation, research, writing, and spending time spreading ideas, is work?

Looking at the results, no.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 07, 2014, 11:45:21 PM
Looking at the results, no.

Given that the full solution did not come together in My head until 5 years ago, and My push began shortly after that, what "results" do You expect to deem My efforts "work?"  Already I have My work being translated into Spanish (entirely without My awareness until after the fact!), and have seen the idea that We don't need money being discussed in arenas I am not in...  I say I have jumpstarted something pretty impressive for only five years of working to reach the tipping point.

Geez.

EDIT to add:  While We're at it, You seem to be saying that effort does NOT equal work.  On the contrary, whether "results" are seen, effort is the foundational element in work.   ::)

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 07, 2014, 11:51:49 PM
Given that the full solution did not come together in My head until 5 years ago, and My push began shortly after that, what "results" do You expect to deem My efforts "work?"

Real results, not just talk, actions based on your ideas that would try to make them real.

QuoteAlready I have My work being translated into Spanish (entirely without My awareness until after the fact!), and have seen the idea that We don't need money being discussed in arenas I am not in...  I say I have jumpstarted something pretty impressive for only five years of working to reach the tipping point.

It's still just talk, regardless of what language it is.

QuoteEDIT to add:  While We're at it, You seem to be saying that effort does NOT equal work.  On the contrary, whether "results" are seen, effort is the foundational element in work.   ::)

Effort may be the foundational element in work, but it's not the only, as you can make lots of efforts that result in nothing (or "nada" to give you a Spanish translation).

Quote from: ArMaP on February 08, 2014, 12:00:17 AM
Real results, not just talk, actions based on your ideas that would try to make them real.
It's still just talk, regardless of what language it is.
Effort may be the foundational element in work, but it's not the only, as you can make lots of efforts that result in nothing (or "nada" to give you a Spanish translation).

"Real" results come once the ideas have broken enough People out of the money system box.  There is no way *I* can do anything alone.  Enough People need to be out of the box.  As I said - over and over and over and over - THE FIRST STEP IS GETTING THE IDEAS TO THE TIPPING POINT.  With no EFFORT to do THAT, the box will remain unbreached.  No One will be thinking about how THEY can assist in bringing it about.

Or do You think that *I* can build free energy devices, distribute them, build robots and place them in necessary jobs, teach everyone to replace the work "ethic" with the Betterment Ethic, and teach all the children to find Their gifts and develop them, ALL BY MYSELF?

Seriously, dude.  *I* am taking the first step, which is more than most are doing to crawl out of the box We are presently in.  And it IS work. 

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 08, 2014, 12:12:58 AM
No One will be thinking about how THEY can assist in bringing it about.

Suuuure.

QuoteOr do You think that *I* can build free energy devices, distribute them, build robots and place them in necessary jobs, teach everyone to replace the work "ethic" with the Betterment Ethic, and teach all the children to find Their gifts and develop them, ALL BY MYSELF?

I didn't say that, please don't get away from the truth.

QuoteSeriously, dude.  *I* am taking the first step, which is more than most are doing to crawl out of the box We are presently in.

Yes, the first step, and then waiting for other people to do the remaining 99.99% (see, I can also throw percentages at will) of the work. Then you say you are working.

QuoteAnd it IS work.

Suuuure.

well hell if i had some fool/excuse me..patron
to keep me i'm sure i would have plenty of time to type up my fantasies too

oh yeah we all know just how much you really want to be employed..we learnt that when you ask for a patron and other things so you could keep on with the generous sharing of betterment of humanity..

we all know that daddy imbued you with the truth of what was to come when you were what..all of 3.. and then stopped talking..but hey..that's better than most of us, huh.!!!
you really got so much info that now you are sharing..

sigh

i really hate to be so bitchin picky mean but i'm really tired of hearing this crap out of a deadbeat user


i have worked and worked hard all my life to make in within the system ..to help any one i could to figure out how to make it in the system and even found out how local government worked so that i could  work to make changes  by using the system already in place


you probably would have a hard time beliving this..but i am thrilled with my life..it hasn't been utopia by any means but i have made the decisions to get me to joy.. everyday..joy
real joy knowing that my choices make or break my dreams and if i need to adjust the dream or the choices..i can no robots..not bullpoop..

joy in nature..joy in knowing people can be flakes or geniuses or both at the same time
joy in working in the dirt to grow stuff
joy in learning .....
it is my choice to find joy in it all..even the not so comfortable things

and i am really really tired of your posing on and on about how no one understands you
you are so tunnel visioned you have missed what everyone here has said back to you

and i have written this rant to you so often and then deleted it..but today..here it is
in your face.. mean as catpoop..

i just put you on my ignore list so i am not annoyed enough to do this again..
cause there is no joy is shouting, stomping on your ego or what comes next

..but there is joy in expressing my pissed off ness

i probably should re-read it..but what the hell


to all other members..sorry  for such an undignified spew

Quotewell hell if i had some fool/excuse me..patron
to keep me i'm sure i would have plenty of time to type up my fantasies too

oh yeah we all know just how much you really want to be employed..we learnt that when you ask for a patron and other things so you could keep on with the generous sharing of betterment of humanity..

we all know that daddy imbued you with the truth of what was to come when you were what..all of 3.. and then stopped talking..but hey..that's better than most of us, huh.!!!
you really got so much info that now you are sharing..

sigh

i really hate to be so bitchin picky mean but i'm really tired of hearing this crap out of a deadbeat user


i have worked and worked hard all my life to make in within the system ..to help any one i could to figure out how to make it in the system and even found out how local government worked so that i could  work to make changes  by using the system already in place


you probably would have a hard time beliving this..but i am thrilled with my life..it hasn't been utopia by any means but i have made the decisions to get me to joy.. everyday..joy
real joy knowing that my choices make or break my dreams and if i need to adjust the dream or the choices..i can no robots..not bullpoop..

joy in nature..joy in knowing people can be flakes or geniuses or both at the same time
joy in working in the dirt to grow stuff
joy in learning .....
it is my choice to find joy in it all..even the not so comfortable things

and i am really really tired of your posing on and on about how no one understands you
you are so tunnel visioned you have missed what everyone here has said back to you

and i have written this rant to you so often and then deleted it..but today..here it is
in your face.. mean as catpoop..

i just put you on my ignore list so i am not annoyed enough to do this again..
cause there is no joy is shouting, stomping on your ego or what comes next

..but there is joy in expressing my pissed off ness

i probably should re-read it..but what the hell


to all other members..sorry  for such an undignified spew

Just in case the Otter was going to change it.


My opinion is while some philosophical ideas are quick thoughts, , Amy has had a lot of work put into this one.

Some times there are thoughts out there that are better and have been around for thousands of years, , , think about it.   :)

norval...go bite something...

i did not type that for anyone to take sides..
i did it to get it off my chest..

your insinuation sucks buddy

amy is fully entitled to whatever she wants to be..and by that same token i am also
and i was expressing my tirerness of hearing it..

that's it

now if you want to start a fight about something.. start a blasted thread and make it worth anyones wile to jump in

hmmmm I thought that was already done to this here thread, , , Otter.

That was my opinion of Amaterasu and the philosophical posts that was made.

No fight, no problem, take a swim Otter and cool down.  :)


And I still think the World is Building Up To Something WONDERFUL.   ;D

Quote from: WarToad on February 07, 2014, 02:01:03 PM
No they are not.  They are people.  Just having money does not automatically make you a psychopath.  That's like casting a wide net and saying white skin makes you a racist.

Please don't to my arm length 'to do' list.

I could demonstrate WHO those 0.02% are and them dictate there evilness to you.

But seriously, I don't have time.

Quote from: WarToad on February 07, 2014, 05:34:51 PM
The social term is simply "class envy".  One of the seven deadly sins.   :)

I'd beg to differ, I did not state that they are psychopaths BECAUSE they are rich.

I simply highlighted that they are the RICHEST and they are psychopaths..
This observation arises from the crimes they have committed against humanity.. and their bank balance.

Why the correlation remains to be seen.

Speculate, I certainly can...

Quote from: ArMaP on February 07, 2014, 11:20:00 PM
You don't work, you just talk about your idea.

That's harsh.

The world is built on idea's.  ::)

Quote from: ArMaP on February 07, 2014, 11:45:21 PM
Looking at the results, no.

Out of curiosity, what do you give to the world ArMap?

Quote from: ArMaP on February 08, 2014, 12:00:17 AM
It's still just talk, regardless of what language it is.

I thought you were better than just closing another person down. You have discouraged the work of Amy who happens to be a foot soldier on the front line forcing many to contemplate alternative realities, which are within our grasp if the human race could only open it's mind and perception.

We're along way off, admittedly, but only by a century, in the grand scheme of the Universe our decisions and perception of future humanity are dawning upon us. 

Negativity overtook the human race person, by  person. Now we counter-act and change the world for the better, person by person, thought by thought, idea by idea.

Quote from: Norval on February 08, 2014, 03:59:02 AM
And I still think the World is Building Up To Something WONDERFUL.   ;D

You should make a THREAD about that....

::)


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Question regarding this TIPPING POINT that seems to be the big thing blocking the tunnel boring machine...

HOW MANY people based on global population do you figure you need to reach this  TIPPING POINT?

HOW MANY people have you made aware of this now after all these years?

THAT is the question...  Surely you have collected data on how many have been made aware so you can apply it to the required number to reach the  TIPPING POINT

Quote from: zorgon on February 08, 2014, 12:21:31 PM
Question regarding this TIPPING POINT that seems to be the big thing blocking the tunnel boring machine...

HOW MANY people based on global population do you figure you need to reach this  TIPPING POINT?

HOW MANY people have you made aware of this now after all these years?

THAT is the question...  Surely you have collected data on how many have been made aware so you can apply it to the required number to reach the  TIPPING POINT

Good question. I've not the mental capacity nor time to pull figures however here is my perception.

Most of Europe is in a state of Civil unrest and dispute.
Most of Asia is in a state of Civil unrest and dispute.
Most of Russia is in a state of Civil unrest and dispute.
Most of America is in a state of Civil unrest and dispute.
Most of Africa is in a state of Civil unrest and dispute.

The Tipping point has occurred in Greece, Turkey, and will no doubt be spreading across Europe.
The tipping point in the Middle East was several years ago.

Here in the UK, from my observations, 50% of us are lurking in the dark knowledge that things are not right. 20% of those people are taking measures to ensure everybody else knows things aren't right.

I think the public response from the UK and US regarding Syria was an indication of a tipping point.
We averted Military Intervention, (officially, maybe not covertly), WHICH IS A HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT, historically we've never stopped these mad men before!

I think my proudest moment when was when my 'wild card' aunty drunkenly stated why she would not be voting for any of our mainstream political parties, after 25 years of sticking to family traditions

This coalition era is reminiscent on the Thatcher era (from my perspective), and the government really have cocked up showing their true agenda and private interests...In the age of the Ipad, even our once traditional sleeply like older generations are waking up.

Even my university books stick to the mainstream for 500 pages, and they randomly throw in a sentence suggesting we are all slaves.. Makes me laugh aha.

Quote from: sky otter on February 08, 2014, 03:29:34 AM
mean as catpoop..

At least catpoop is real and natural. ;D

Quote from: Sinny on February 08, 2014, 11:35:34 AM
Out of curiosity, what do you give to the world ArMap?

What the world asks of me, if I can.

Many times people call it harsh or cruel. :)

Quote from: Sinny on February 08, 2014, 11:42:47 AM
I thought you were better than just closing another person down.

It's what I think.

QuoteYou have discouraged the work of Amy who happens to be a foot soldier on the front line forcing many to contemplate alternative realities, which are within our grasp if the human race could only open it's mind and perception.

My problem is that "forcing" part, nobody should be forced to do any thing, specially when it means accepting one person's idea over all other persons' ideas blindly.

QuoteNegativity overtook the human race person, by  person. Now we counter-act and change the world for the better, person by person, thought by thought, idea by idea.

Negativity can act in many ways, one of them being acting as if having a thought means having a solution and presenting that idea as being the only one worth working for, as it acts as a kind of censorship of ideas, something like "this idea is the only official idea, even if nobody knows if it works or not, so any one thinking about any thing else is obviously wrong or working for the psychopaths".

Quote from: Sinny on February 08, 2014, 12:40:00 PM
Most of Russia is in a state of Civil unrest and dispute.

Russia is in Europe and Asia.  :P

Quote from: Sinny on February 08, 2014, 11:22:35 AM
Please don't to my arm length 'to do' list.

I could demonstrate WHO those 0.02% are and them dictate there evilness to you.

But seriously, I don't have time.

Sinny, with the worlds population of around 6 billion, 0.02% give us 1.2 Million in that group. Do you think there are that many or did you just tossed out a number. [ I do that sometimes also ] I was wondering if the real top level was closer to a hundred or less, maybe even a dozen or 13. If we only count the actual ones who make the call how many would you put in that number?

With all of the problems you see around the world, have any of them been taken down yet or just the puppets in front?

Thanks, if you have time.
Deuem

Quote from: ArMaP on February 08, 2014, 01:43:50 PM
My problem is that "forcing" part, nobody should be forced to do any thing

Well, there's different variations of 'force', if I stood in front of your eye's open, I have just forced you to see me, whether you wanted to or not. Nature is a force, as gravity is thought to be. Force is a fact of life.

Quotespecially when it means accepting one person's idea over all other persons' ideas blindly

Has she asked you to do that?

Quoteacting as if having a thought means having a solution and presenting that idea as being the only one worth working for

Has Amy also stated that?

Quoteas it acts as a kind of censorship of ideas

You are trying to censor Amy.

Quotesomething like "this idea is the only official idea, even if nobody knows if it works or not, so any one thinking about any thing else is obviously wrong or working for the psychopaths".

Seems to me that lot's of people prefer hearing what they like to hear what they actually heard.

Thank You, Sinny - for getting back to the idea that started this whole thread!

As for psychopaths, I am skeptical. Why? Because of a Taoist parable about good and bad I never forgot:

A poor old farmer has one valuable possession - a fine stallion. One day, it runs away.

He says, "What is good, what is bad?"

The next day, it returns with three fine mares - but the old farmer repeats, "What is good, what is bad?"

The farmer's son tries to saddle and ride one of the new mares but gets thrown off and breaks his leg.

The old farmer just says, "What is good, what is bad?"

Then a warlord passes thru, seizing young men for his army but cannot take the now-lame son away.

And the farmer just says, "What is good, what is bad?"

Consider this:  JFK is treated as a saint yet he was reckless and ineffective as President in getting his "New Frontier" passed.

Instead, an absolute SOB/Bastard/Crook (LBJ) -who was utterly skillful, got Medicare, the War on Poverty and Civil Rights made into law.

"What is good, what is bad?"

Quote from: deuem on February 08, 2014, 02:03:36 PM

Sinny, with the worlds population of around 6 billion, 0.02% give us 1.2 Million in that group. Do you think there are that many or did you just tossed out a number.

Thanks, if you have time.
Deuem

I would have said a mixture of both..But you seem to be skeptical, which I accept.

I have read the actual statistics as they were in the 90's, and I can usually recall photographic memory... However In regards to the stats in question, it's likely I'm off.

But I maintain my over-all theory.

Quote from: Eighthman on February 08, 2014, 02:59:28 PM
Thank You, Sinny - for getting back to the idea that started this whole thread!

As for psychopaths, I am skeptical.

It's not really my choice of word either, however as it has come to be associated with the people I am also referring to, it will do.

Quote"What is good, what is bad?"

This could be answered very quickly or over complicated, we all know, it's instinct.
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Quote from: Eighthman on January 25, 2014, 02:26:08 PM
http://ultraculture.org/blog/2013/08/26/watch-a-jaw-dropping-visualization-of-every-protest-since-1979/

Watch the graphic presentation and note the buildup of protest.  This dovetails with a recent analysis on StratRisks about a worldwide loss of confidence in governments.

We're headed towards something big.

the link don't work anymore, , ,

But I agree, governments have failed their people everywhere, and the world IS building up to something. Wonderful.  ;D

Quote from: Sinny on February 08, 2014, 02:56:30 PM
Well, there's different variations of 'force', if I stood in front of your eye's open, I have just forced you to see me, whether you wanted to or not.

Yes, and I wouldn't like it, I like to look at what I want.

QuoteHas she asked you to do that?

I didn't say she did, it's the way she answers other people's opinions that makes me think of that.

QuoteHas Amy also stated that?

I didn't say she did, I said "acting", as it's the way she says the things she says.

QuoteYou are trying to censor Amy.

I don't think so, I am just stating my opinion.

QuoteSeems to me that lot's of people prefer hearing what they like to hear what they actually heard.

Sorry, I don't understand that sentence, could you rephrase it? Thanks in advance.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 08, 2014, 12:23:57 AM
Suuuure.

Seriously, ArMaP.  I have had MANY People say They never thought of the idea of a system without money.  But thinking upon it, They are willing to go there.  So.  Clearly, without an arrow out of the box, most will never go there.

QuoteI didn't say that, please don't get away from the truth.

I didn't say You said that.  If You look closely, You will see a QUESTION MARK.  I asked You a QUESTION.  Please pay closer attention before You make allusions to Me lying/"get[ting] away from the truth.

QuoteYes, the first step, and then waiting for other people to do the remaining 99.99% (see, I can also throw percentages at will) of the work. Then you say you are working.

::) I have a blueprint.  As with any drawing up blueprints, We can hardly expect the blueprint designer to go out and BUILD the building by Themselves.  Geez, ArMaP.

QuoteSuuuure.

Whatever.

Quote from: Norval on February 08, 2014, 03:24:13 PM
the link don't work anymore, , ,

That's probably because what started as freely available data turned into a copyright (or something like that) issue, so all the data that resulted in that presentation is not available any more. :(

Quote from: sky otter on February 08, 2014, 03:29:34 AM
well hell if i had some fool/excuse me..patron
to keep me i'm sure i would have plenty of time to type up my fantasies too

oh yeah we all know just how much you really want to be employed..we learnt that when you ask for a patron and other things so you could keep on with the generous sharing of betterment of humanity..

we all know that daddy imbued you with the truth of what was to come when you were what..all of 3.. and then stopped talking..but hey..that's better than most of us, huh.!!!
you really got so much info that now you are sharing..

sigh

i really hate to be so bitchin picky mean but i'm really tired of hearing this crap out of a deadbeat user


i have worked and worked hard all my life to make in within the system ..to help any one i could to figure out how to make it in the system and even found out how local government worked so that i could  work to make changes  by using the system already in place


you probably would have a hard time beliving this..but i am thrilled with my life..it hasn't been utopia by any means but i have made the decisions to get me to joy.. everyday..joy
real joy knowing that my choices make or break my dreams and if i need to adjust the dream or the choices..i can no robots..not bullpoop..

joy in nature..joy in knowing people can be flakes or geniuses or both at the same time
joy in working in the dirt to grow stuff
joy in learning .....
it is my choice to find joy in it all..even the not so comfortable things

and i am really really tired of your posing on and on about how no one understands you
you are so tunnel visioned you have missed what everyone here has said back to you

and i have written this rant to you so often and then deleted it..but today..here it is
in your face.. mean as catpoop..

i just put you on my ignore list so i am not annoyed enough to do this again..
cause there is no joy is shouting, stomping on your ego or what comes next

..but there is joy in expressing my pissed off ness

i probably should re-read it..but what the hell


to all other members..sorry  for such an undignified spew

You are like the flat earthers, telling Those who said the world was a globe that They are creating fantasy.  I have no issues with Your life.  Would not have You change a thing.  How many of those who starve on this planet do You think can say that They have joy every day?

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 08, 2014, 04:48:36 PM
I didn't say You said that.  If You look closely, You will see a QUESTION MARK.  I asked You a QUESTION.  Please pay closer attention before You make allusions to Me lying/"get[ting] away from the truth.

It's the way you ask the question(s), and it's not the first time this happens.

I say something and you make a question as if I had said something completely different. Those reading your question are influenced to think that I did said what you imply by the way you wrote your question.

Answering your question, although it has no relation to what I said, no, I don't think you (or anyone else) can "build free energy devices, distribute them, build robots and place them in necessary jobs, teach everyone to replace the work "ethic" with the Betterment Ethic, and teach all the children to find Their gifts and develop them".

Quote::) I have a blueprint.  As with any drawing up blueprints, We can hardly expect the blueprint designer to go out and BUILD the building by Themselves.  Geez, ArMaP.

No, but we can expect that a blueprint has some explanation of how things should be done, instead of just suggesting a "deus ex machina" that solves the complex parts.

QuoteWhatever.

I prefer to say "suuuure". :)

Quote from: zorgon on February 08, 2014, 12:21:31 PM
Question regarding this TIPPING POINT that seems to be the big thing blocking the tunnel boring machine...

HOW MANY people based on global population do you figure you need to reach this  TIPPING POINT?

HOW MANY people have you made aware of this now after all these years?

THAT is the question...  Surely you have collected data on how many have been made aware so you can apply it to the required number to reach the  TIPPING POINT

The tipping point has tiers.  If 10% of one group has the idea then it fills that group - whether They agree or not - from there that group spreads the idea into other groups which, when reaching the tipping point, will fill and spread...  And so on.

Stop looking at it as if the whole globe must reach that point, initially.

I am NOT looking for agreement, but DIALOG.  As with many blueprints, improvements can be made as Other minds contemplate the drawing.  Though I think I have a fine blueprint, I am open to ideas to improve it.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 08, 2014, 01:35:16 PM
At least catpoop is real and natural. ;D

So is the meanness.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 08, 2014, 01:43:50 PM
It's what I think.
My problem is that "forcing" part, nobody should be forced to do any thing, specially when it means accepting one person's idea over all other persons' ideas blindly.

In My plan, I FORCE no One to do ANYTHING.  Sky can live EXACTLY like She is living now.  Any who want to keep doing what THEY are doing may do so.  But for those who HATE Their job (a HUGE percentage), They will have OPTIONS.  They can make CHOICES They presently DON'T HAVE.  Geez.  It's very clear You don't have a CLUE about what I suggest and base Your thinking on something YOU created, not Me.

QuoteNegativity can act in many ways, one of them being acting as if having a thought means having a solution and presenting that idea as being the only one worth working for, as it acts as a kind of censorship of ideas, something like "this idea is the only official idea, even if nobody knows if it works or not, so any one thinking about any thing else is obviously wrong or working for the psychopaths".

Fine, ArMaP.  Give Me another plan, a BETTER one, that solves for poverty, oppression, wage/debt slavery, and profiteering. 

Quote from: ArMaP on February 08, 2014, 04:59:56 PM
It's the way you ask the question(s), and it's not the first time this happens.

I say something and you make a question as if I had said something completely different. Those reading your question are influenced to think that I did said what you imply by the way you wrote your question.

OR...  It's the way You choose to read it.  Meh.

QuoteNo, but we can expect that a blueprint has some explanation of how things should be done, instead of just suggesting a "deus ex machina" that solves the complex parts.

Who's suggesting ""deus ex machina" that solves the complex parts?"  I merely have faith in Humanity to move along a better path, and will happily assist as I can.  You seem to think I expect an external "God" to do things.  I do not.  Go back and read My plan, eh? 

QuoteI prefer to say "suuuure". :)

Whatever.  :)

I am NOT looking for agreement, but DIALOG.   

false

In My plan, I FORCE no One to do ANYTHING.  Sky can live EXACTLY like She is living now.  Any who want to keep doing what THEY are doing may do so.  But for those who HATE Their job (a HUGE percentage), They will have OPTIONS.  They can make CHOICES They presently DON'T HAVE.  Geez.  It's very clear You don't have a CLUE about what I suggest and base Your thinking on something YOU created, not Me.

they have options now and are not using them..what makes you so arrogant to think robots and no money will make any difference


and perhaps you need to see this statement of yours in the mirror as you hear no one
It's very clear You don't have a CLUE about what I suggest and base Your thinking on something YOU created, not Me.

the only thing that seems to be missing for you in your plan is the robots..you have someone paying your tab (or should i say paying while you play taps with their money)
while you do what you want


that is not mean   that is honest..that is someone else having an opinion and voicing it

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 08, 2014, 05:01:50 PM
So is the meanness.

And goodness, psychopathies, stupidity, intelligence, etc. All those things are real and are natural. :)

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 08, 2014, 05:07:55 PM
In My plan, I FORCE no One to do ANYTHING.

That's what happens when people read a post while ignoring what that post was answering.

I said I didn't like the "forcing" part because Sinny said "You have discouraged the work of Amy who happens to be a foot soldier on the front line forcing many to contemplate alternative realities, which are within our grasp if the human race could only open it's mind and perception."

I wasn't talking about your plan forcing any thing.

QuoteIt's very clear You don't have a CLUE about what I suggest and base Your thinking on something YOU created, not Me.

See above. I suppose that happened because, once more, you think that I was talking about something I was not.

QuoteFine, ArMaP.  Give Me another plan, a BETTER one, that solves for poverty, oppression, wage/debt slavery, and profiteering.

If I had a better plan (which I do not), I would give it to everyone, not just to you. :)

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 08, 2014, 05:18:09 PM
OR...  It's the way You choose to read it.  Meh.

That's what communication is all about, one person says something, the other person may understand it or not. If both want to communicate they try to say things in a way the other person understands it, without creating any confusion. I know that I have been the source of confusion enough times, but I'm not the only source. :)

QuoteWho's suggesting ""deus ex machina" that solves the complex parts?"  I merely have faith in Humanity to move along a better path, and will happily assist as I can.  You seem to think I expect an external "God" to do things.  I do not.  Go back and read My plan, eh?

Why would I think that you expect an external god to do things? ???

I said a "deus ex machina", which, according to Wikipedia (it's easier to use an already written explanation) is "a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability or object".
In this case I was thinking about your idea of "free energy" and "working robots" as the "deus ex machina" that is going to solve the problems, as your idea depends on their existence.

QuoteWhatever.  :)

Suuuure. :)

Quote from: ArMaP on February 08, 2014, 06:25:28 PM

QuoteWhatever.  :)

Suuuure. :)

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"Things are gonna change, I can feel it!"


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Quote from: Amaterasu on February 08, 2014, 05:00:42 PM
The tipping point has tiers.  If 10% of one group has the idea then it fills that group - whether They agree or not - from there that group spreads the idea into other groups which, when reaching the tipping point, will fill and spread...  And so on.

That ONLY holds true IF the idea is one that has STICKING POWER...  For every thousand ideas someone comes up with, maybe ONE has that STICKING POWER

And "Tipping Point" also has THREE LAWS  which I am sure you are aware of :D

1 The three rules
1.1 The Law of the Few
1.2 The Stickiness Factor
1.3 The Power of Context


Lets have a look at this since most people probably are not familiar with the concept.

Malcolm Gladwell, The Tipping Point: How Little Things Can Make a Big Difference

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/73/Thetippingpoint.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316346624/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=0316346624&link_code=as3&tag=pegasreseacon-20)


I see that Malcolm understands the 80/20 rule that I have posted on many times... where 20% do all the work to see a project through.  He uses Paul Revere's ride "The British are Coming" as an example of an idea that reached the tipping point and we all know that the American Revolution was fought by only 20% of "We the People.."

Pet Rock, Hush Puppies, Hula Hoop, Frisbies... all examples of the tipping point spreading like a virus.  So yeah I can see where you think it might be that simple...

But all these ideas are small compared to changing an entire global system. They are a SINGLE POINT item of change... something that people can grasp easily.


Lets have a look at the three laws according to Malcolm...

The Law of the Few

"The success of any kind of social epidemic is heavily dependent on the involvement of people with a particular and rare set of social gifts"  - Malcolm Gladwell  According to Malcolm Gladwell, economists call this the "80/20 Principle, which is the idea that in any situation roughly 80 percent of the 'work' will be done by 20 percent of the participants". These people are described in the following ways:

Connectors, are the people in a community who know large numbers of people and who are in the habit of making introductions. A connector is essentially the social equivalent of a computer network hub. They usually know people across an array of social, cultural, professional, and economic circles, and make a habit of introducing people who work or live in different circles. They are people who "link us up with the world...people with a special gift for bringing the world together". They are "a handful of people with a truly extraordinary knack [... for] making friends and acquaintances". Malcolm Gladwell characterizes these individuals as having social networks of over one hundred people. To illustrate, he cites the following examples: the midnight ride of Paul Revere, Milgram's experiments in the small world problem, the "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" trivia game, Dallas businessman Roger Horchow, and Chicagoan Lois Weisberg, a person who understands the concept of the weak tie. Gladwell attributes the social success of Connectors to the fact that "their ability to span many different worlds is a function of something intrinsic to their personality, some combination of curiosity, self-confidence, sociability, and energy".


Mavens are "information specialists", or "people we rely upon to connect us with new information." They accumulate knowledge, especially about the marketplace, and know how to share it with others. Gladwell cites Mark Alpert as a prototypical Maven who is "almost pathologically helpful", further adding, "he can't help himself". In this vein, Alpert himself concedes, "A Maven is someone who wants to solve other people's problems, generally by solving his own". According to Gladwell, Mavens start "word-of-mouth epidemics" due to their knowledge, social skills, and ability to communicate. As Malcolm Gladwell states, "Mavens are really information brokers, sharing and trading what they know"

Salesmen are "persuaders", charismatic people with powerful negotiation skills. They tend to have an indefinable trait that goes beyond what they say, which makes others want to agree with them. Malcolm Gladwell's examples include California businessman Tom Gau and news anchor Peter Jennings, and he cites several studies about the persuasive implications of non-verbal cues, including a headphone nod study (conducted by Gary Wells of the University of Alberta and Richard Petty of the University of Missouri) and William S. Condon's cultural microrhythms study.


So which of the three do you consider yourself to be? The connector who can tie people together to a common cause, the maven or the salesman that can sell the idea successfully?

I think I am a Maven :D "A Maven is someone who wants to solve other people's problems, generally by solving his own"

Yup that be me :D Practice what I preach

QuoteStop looking at it as if the whole globe must reach that point, initially.

I don't  I figure that IF this were to start it would be a local thing at first... but for a no money system to have ANY chance at all of succeeding it would need to go Global very quickly as we are a Global economy that depends on trade with most of the nations on the planet

QuoteI am NOT looking for agreement, but DIALOG. 

Well to reach any tipping point you would need agreement... but you don't really want dialog that doesn't accept your solution ;)

QuoteAs with many blueprints, improvements can be made as Other minds contemplate the drawing.  Though I think I have a fine blueprint, I am open to ideas to improve it.

This is why you are not getting anywhere. The situation in the world is bad RIGHT NOW... people in the USA (never mind the starving nations) are losing homes, can't feed their families etc...  They need answers NOW that will help them TODAY to survive the next few years

You say you want to help the starving.  Well how many have YOU helped feed?  I have helped raise MILLIONS of dollars literally to help hundreds of mentally handicapped deal with life.  I am only one person, but I created my own 'tipping point' of an idea to help where I could and have others want to join the cause

If every person who had a little extra would help 5 who don't... the problem would soon be solved  A trickle that would become a stream

The Maven... that old philosophy that says "You cannot help others until you help yourself first"  Even the Church says it "God will help those that help themselves"  Another way is "You can feed a man a fish, but tomorrow he will need another fish... and you will spend your life giving that man a daily fish.... or you can teach that man to fish for himself and thus solve the problem"

The Stickiness Factor

THIS is THE MOST IMPORTANT part of any tipping point...

The specific content of a message that renders its impact memorable.

Popular children's television programs such as Sesame Street and Blue's Clues pioneered the properties of the stickiness factor, thus enhancing the effective retention of the educational content in tandem with its entertainment value.

If your idea is too complicated, too wide spread and not showing a specif fix, it will leave people confused and thus unable to grasp the idea, much less that it is doable. Most ideas that have gone viral in history are single one point ideas... One single focus on one single easy to grasp point where people can say "Hell YEAH! I get it."

What is the SPECIFIC CONTENT of TAP that will be memorable and  make people say "Hell YEAH! I get it."

The Power of Context

Ah yes "Context"   I see Malcolm DOES take into account HUMAN BEHAVIOR

Human behavior is sensitive to and strongly influenced by its environment. As Malcolm Gladwell says, "Epidemics are sensitive to the conditions and circumstances of the times and places in which they occur". For example, "zero tolerance" efforts to combat minor crimes such as fare-beating and vandalism on the New York subway led to a decline in more violent crimes city-wide. Gladwell describes the bystander effect, and explains how Dunbar's number plays into the tipping point, using Rebecca Wells' novel Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood, evangelist John Wesley, and the high-tech firm W. L. Gore and Associates. Malcolm Gladwell also discusses what he dubs the rule of 150, which states that the maximum number of individuals in a society or group that someone can have real social relationships with is 150.

Gladwell also includes two chapters of case studies, situations in which tipping point concepts were used in specific situations. These situations include the athletic shoe company Airwalk, the diffusion model, how rumors are spread, decreasing the spread of syphilis in Baltimore, teen suicide in Micronesia, and teen smoking in the United States.

I see Malcolm made some serious MONEY on this :D

Malcolm Gladwell and his co-partner, John Decker, both received an estimated US$1–1.5 million advance for The Tipping Point, which sold 1.7 million copies by 2006. In the wake of the book's success, Gladwell was able to earn as much as $40,000 per lecture. Sales increased again in 2006 after the release of Gladwell's next book,

http://carnegieeurope.eu/2013/12/27/worldwide-protests-portend-shaking-of-authority/gx5m

Similar to the original link but without the cool buildup of dots.

My OCD is better than your OCD!

Quote from: sky otter on February 08, 2014, 05:37:18 PM

I am NOT looking for agreement, but DIALOG.   

false

HOW is it false?  I seek Us all to DISCUSS the ideas.  That will mean People have THOUGHT about some other way.

QuoteIn My plan, I FORCE no One to do ANYTHING.  Sky can live EXACTLY like She is living now.  Any who want to keep doing what THEY are doing may do so.  But for those who HATE Their job (a HUGE percentage), They will have OPTIONS.  They can make CHOICES They presently DON'T HAVE.  Geez.  It's very clear You don't have a CLUE about what I suggest and base Your thinking on something YOU created, not Me.

they have options now and are not using them..what makes you so arrogant to think robots and no money will make any difference

Ah.  What options to the children starving to death on this planet have?  What options to the People who give up dreams to pump Their energy into meaningless jobs have because They could not afford a good education?  What options do old ladies have when the 20 and 30 somethings are the ones hired?  Please.  Do tell on all these accounts.

Instead of just making statements like edicts of "false" and "People have options but don't use them," give examples.  Thanks.

Quoteand perhaps you need to see this statement of yours in the mirror as you hear no one

I hear - lots of statements with nothing to back them up. 

QuoteIt's very clear You don't have a CLUE about what I suggest and base Your thinking on something YOU created, not Me.

the only thing that seems to be missing for you in your plan is the robots..you have someone paying your tab (or should i say paying while you play taps with their money)
while you do what you want

Yup.  You're clueless. 

Quotethat is not mean   that is honest..that is someone else having an opinion and voicing it

*I* was not the One who brought up meanness.  Just pointing out that meanness is real too.

What you say here Z I believe to be 100% Correct !

QuoteI don't  I figure that IF this were to start it would be a local thing at first...
but for a no money system to have ANY chance at all of succeeding it would need
to go Global very quickly as we are a Global economy that depends on trade
with most of the nations on the planet.

So for such an event to take place, it is certainly NOT going to come
by human choice, but perhaps involves an "Environmental" persuasion, which leaves us
Without a monetary or economic System in place, nor the possibility of establishing such
in place again.   :)

But this little world is Full of Surprises !

That's what makes it such an Interesting experience.   :)

Quote from: ArMaP on February 08, 2014, 06:15:54 PM
That's what happens when people read a post while ignoring what that post was answering.

I said I didn't like the "forcing" part because Sinny said "You have discouraged the work of Amy who happens to be a foot soldier on the front line forcing many to contemplate alternative realities, which are within our grasp if the human race could only open it's mind and perception."

I wasn't talking about your plan forcing any thing.
See above. I suppose that happened because, once more, you think that I was talking about something I was not.
If I had a better plan (which I do not), I would give it to everyone, not just to you. :)

Fair enough, though I am not forcing People to do anything despite the statement made by Sinny.  I merely offer the opportunity to think outside the box.

And as for giving plans to everyone...  That is EXACTLY what I am doing.  Just sayin'.

Don't you just love this expression .... as I do too .... LOL.




Nothing to do with the Subject .... but purely the human expression !

Quote from: ArMaP on February 08, 2014, 06:25:28 PM
That's what communication is all about, one person says something, the other person may understand it or not. If both want to communicate they try to say things in a way the other person understands it, without creating any confusion. I know that I have been the source of confusion enough times, but I'm not the only source. :)
Why would I think that you expect an external god to do things? ???

Hey.  I do My best.

QuoteI said a "deus ex machina", which, according to Wikipedia (it's easier to use an already written explanation) is "a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability or object".
In this case I was thinking about your idea of "free energy" and "working robots" as the "deus ex machina" that is going to solve the problems, as your idea depends on their existence.

Uh, yeah.  But it's NOT "contrived."  It is a FACT that nowhere in history do We have these tools.  It is a FACT that money accounts for Human energy.  It is a FACT that We don't need money with the tools We have now.  "Unexpected?"  Maybe, though the "elite" probably understood quite well the direct and intimate relation energy has with money.

So...  NOT "deus ex machine."  Merely reasoning and grasping the fact that We now have the ability to change something We never could before.

QuoteSuuuure. :)

Yup.

But WHAT is going on in the Earth and has  done for thousands of years is Perfect in every way.
It achieves its "purpose", which the Human Primate neither wants to understand or perhaps can ?

If we stand outside the box and look into the world it is possible to see the patterns
and view it from LIFE's perspective, seeing that our REAL "SELVES" (NOT the flesh)
are a PART of LIFE

http://www.activistpost.com/2014/02/economic-elite-announce-plan-to-replace.html

If true, this is potentially huge.  I became somewhat alarmed when I saw that "Watson" on Jeopardy could only be fought with highly tangent -ical questions.

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 08, 2014, 09:04:12 PM
And as for giving plans to everyone...  That is EXACTLY what I am doing.  Just sayin'.

Another case of something I said (wrote) being interpreted as something else.  ::)

You said "Give Me another plan", I said that I would give it to everyone, if I had one.

I am very familiar with Gladwell's book.

Quote from: zorgon on February 08, 2014, 07:24:29 PM
I don't  I figure that IF this were to start it would be a local thing at first... but for a no money system to have ANY chance at all of succeeding it would need to go Global very quickly as we are a Global economy that depends on trade with most of the nations on the planet

Yes. I agree.  But if Those who are NOT psychopathic and see value are reached, and have influence, that would go a long way.  Thus the reason I reach out to many.  The ideas DO stick, BTW, with People who are having trouble feeding Their kids, who are losing Their homes.

QuoteWell to reach any tipping point you would need agreement... but you don't really want dialog that doesn't accept your solution ;)

I want dialog.  I have enough faith in My blueprint to believe there will be plenty enough who will accept.

QuoteThis is why you are not getting anywhere. The situation in the world is bad RIGHT NOW... people in the USA (never mind the starving nations) are losing homes, can't feed their families etc...  They need answers NOW that will help them TODAY to survive the next few years

I agree, but do You say that precludes spreading ideas to solve for these issues (rather than stick fingers in the dyke)?

QuoteYou say you want to help the starving.  Well how many have YOU helped feed?  I have helped raise MILLIONS of dollars literally to help hundreds of mentally handicapped deal with life.  I am only one person, but I created my own 'tipping point' of an idea to help where I could and have others want to join the cause

I volunteered for the Red Cross, when I had money I bought food and gave it to People on the streets with signs that said "Will work for food," donated to charities (for whatever THAT was worth!), and so on.  Sadly, like Your help:  fingers in the dyke and no SOLUTION at all.

QuoteIf every person who had a little extra would help 5 who don't... the problem would soon be solved  A trickle that would become a stream

Except MOST of Us are struggling, it doesn't SOLVE the problem, but merely staves off the issues for a while, and the 1% - a number of whom could help Us ALL - do nothing that does not take more FROM Us.

QuoteThe Maven... that old philosophy that says "You cannot help others until you help yourself first"  Even the Church says it "God will help those that help themselves"  Another way is "You can feed a man a fish, but tomorrow he will need another fish... and you will spend your life giving that man a daily fish.... or you can teach that man to fish for himself and thus solve the problem"

Awesome.  So.  I have tried TONS of things, including the zazzle thing.  After reaching out to nearly 1,000 people...  I have sold 58 CENTS worth of product.  Wow.  So any other bright ideas?  I am fresh out.  (STILL trying to get a paypal account to connect to the site Beth and I worked on to sell My book.  Likely I will get more out of that as I will get virtually 100% of sales over 5% at zazzle.)

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on February 08, 2014, 09:12:43 PM
But WHAT is going on in the Earth and has  done for thousands of years is Perfect in every way.
It achieves its "purpose", which the Human Primate neither wants to understand or perhaps can ?

If we stand outside the box and look into the world it is possible to see the patterns
and view it from LIFE's perspective, seeing that our REAL "SELVES" (NOT the flesh)
are a PART of LIFE

Ah.  So no point in trying to improve it?  No point in trying to circumvent the "elite?"  I should give up?  Let it go?

I will die if that is taken from Me.  No other reason for Me to live.

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 08, 2014, 09:10:35 PM
It is a FACT that nowhere in history do We have these tools.

But it's not a fact (with or without capital letters) that we have free energy available and robots that can do all the work we do not want to do. If it's a fact please present real evidences of their existence.

That's what I was talking about.

QuoteI should give up?  Let it go?

Understand Thy "SELF" !

You are a contributor to the Overall plan of things taking place !

So Understanding starts at Home... Know thy "SELF" (A "Partition" of LIFE)
and WHAT part you are playing in The ALL !

To give up is to Abandon LIFE !

This is Why it is written of Old .... "MAN (And Wo-MAN) Know Thy "SELF" !

QuoteI will die if that is taken from Me.  No other reason for Me to live.

HOW can LIFE Die ?



It's Impossible for a "Partition of LIFE" to Die !

Death is a "Primate Thingy" and part of a "Story".

But LIFE is "Eternal" !

Some say they know the difference, between LIFE and the "human Primate" !

But do They really ?

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 08, 2014, 09:35:50 PM
I will die if that is taken from Me.  No other reason for Me to live.

That explains it.

Thanks.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 08, 2014, 09:26:13 PM
Another case of something I said (wrote) being interpreted as something else.  ::)

You said "Give Me another plan", I said that I would give it to everyone, if I had one.

Not exactly.  My point is that I DO have a plan, and I am doing with it what You said You would do:  giving it to everyone.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on February 08, 2014, 09:52:31 PM
Understand Thy "SELF" !

You are a contributor to the Overall plan of things taking place !

So Understanding starts at Home... Know thy "SELF" (A "Partition" of LIFE)
and WHAT part you are playing in The ALL !

To give up is to Abandon LIFE !

In truth I know I have a very important role here.  If I did not, I would not see a solution.

QuoteThis is Why it is written of Old .... "MAN (And Wo-MAN) Know Thy "SELF" !

HOW can LIFE Die ?

Perhaps I should rephrase...  I would leave the meat suit.

Quote from: ArMaP on February 08, 2014, 09:39:06 PM
But it's not a fact (with or without capital letters) that we have free energy available and robots that can do all the work we do not want to do. If it's a fact please present real evidences of their existence.

That's what I was talking about.

You doubt We can build robots to do work no One wants to do?  We are already doing so.

As for free energy, I have electrogravitics.  I cannot point to it directly in use as it is suppressed, in black projects.  If that isn't good enough, oh well.

Amaterasu  Things are NOT easy for me either, some of the Time, but LIKE you I SHALL NOT give up !

I take the Good with the Bad as to say but I am making Sloooooow Progress within myself,
and still have much to learn like very one else experiencing this little Rock ....  :(

But I do now, know the difference between my Body and LIFE.

Some Loose their Life while others loose an "Avatar" (body or human Primate) which is only an experience
or part of a Story we ("Partitions of LIFE") experience !

When I was in the Coast Guard many years ago some referred to saving Lives....

Now I know better we were into saving Avatars (Humans) NOT LIVES !


It all depends from where you are looking from ....

1.      The human Body
or
2.      LIFE.


If you are a "Partition of LIFE" you loose a body, at the end of this "Story" !

If you are a human Primate (Program) You loose your LIFE !

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 08, 2014, 10:04:42 PM
Not exactly.  My point is that I DO have a plan, and I am doing with it what You said You would do:  giving it to everyone.

Typical. :)

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 08, 2014, 10:11:18 PM
You doubt We can build robots to do work no One wants to do?  We are already doing so.

This is getting boring. Why do you keep on talking about things I don't say?

I was talking about we having those robots now, not of the possibility of building them.

QuoteAs for free energy, I have electrogravitics.  I cannot point to it directly in use as it is suppressed, in black projects.  If that isn't good enough, oh well.

No, it's not good enough, it's the same as saying that the dog hate your free energy.  :P

Quote from: ArMaP on February 08, 2014, 10:35:00 PM
This is getting boring. Why do you keep on talking about things I don't say?

I was talking about we having those robots now, not of the possibility of building them.
No, it's not good enough, it's the same as saying that the dog hate your free energy.  :P

No ArMaP, We do not have everything in place.  If We did, I would have nothing to do.  There would be no need for Me to show the plan.  It is something that We could work towards and would if enough understood the difference it would make.

*I* know that free energy exists.  Sorry I cannot show My memories to You.

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 08, 2014, 10:11:18 PM
As for free energy, I have electrogravitics.  I cannot point to it directly in use as it is suppressed, in black projects.

No its NOT that is the point... the Black Ops have long ago moved in other directions.  Use logic... WHY would they spend BILLIONS on laser transmission of energy and plasma fusion research if they already had all the energy they needed?

You keep reminding us how much the psychopaths love to hoard their gold... so why would they waste billions on a false system?

You forget that we have true insiders that are actually working within these Black Ops projects here at Pegasus... They all say PLASMA.  There are leaks, hints and clues that you can find on ANY Black Ops project, especially money channels if you look hard enough at the military sites, but not one mention of EG except in a past tense historical sense

Yes I know CT'er will always say "Da Gubment" is hiding everything.... but frankly Congress has already showed us how inept these people really are

Sorry not buying it... EG is a dead end

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 08, 2014, 10:39:37 PM
*I* know that free energy exists.  Sorry I cannot show My memories to You.

I know it exists too... in many forms. What is in question is whether or not ANYONE has a PRACTICAL and APPLICABLE method of a) harnessing it and b) making it usable by the average person

Quote from: zorgon on February 09, 2014, 03:00:44 AM
No its NOT that is the point... the Black Ops have long ago moved in other directions.  Use logic... WHY would they spend BILLIONS on laser transmission of energy and plasma fusion research if they already had all the energy they needed?

You keep reminding us how much the psychopaths love to hoard their gold... so why would they waste billions on a false system?

You forget that we have true insiders that are actually working within these Black Ops projects here at Pegasus... They all say PLASMA.  There are leaks, hints and clues that you can find on ANY Black Ops project, especially money channels if you look hard enough at the military sites, but not one mention of EG except in a past tense historical sense

Yes I know CT'er will always say "Da Gubment" is hiding everything.... but frankly Congress has already showed us how inept these people really are

Sorry not buying it... EG is a dead end

Let Me ask You...  This expenditure on these "black" projects...  Is it the "ELITE's" money?  Or OUR TAXES?  And if it is leaky, what is the probability that these projects are there to divert attention and be pointed at?  I KNOW they have EG, they were getting "overunity" from it, and gravity control.  What is the probability that the EG projects are SUPER black while They enrich companies working on cover projects with Our taxes?

Also...  Can You get leaks and data about the work at, say, Area 51?  Do They discuss the sports model in the literature?  Except for Lazar, who is not so much a leak as a whistleblower, everything seems to be speculation and photo/video evidence that lets Us know only that SOMETHING was going on there.

You can claim that You have a finger on the pulse and that EG is "dead."  I don't buy THAT.

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 09, 2014, 03:22:28 AM
Let Me ask You...  This expenditure on these "black" projects...  Is it the "ELITE's" money?  Or OUR TAXES?

NOT our taxes... There are not enough tax payers in the USA to account for black ops spending... That Federal Reserve 9 Trillion missing dollars in fiscal year 2009 alone translates to about 35,000 PER man woman and child in the USA. So yeah it's the 'Elite's' money (or drug money :D)

QuoteAnd if it is leaky, what is the probability that these projects are there to divert attention and be pointed at?

To what end? No normal person can grasp it anyway whether it be EG or Fusion or Plasma... so who are they hiding it from? Russians and Chinese are working on the same projects. most likely jointly from what IO have found so WHO'S attention is being diverted?

QuoteI KNOW they have EG, they were getting "overunity" from it, and gravity control.

You say you KNOW but cannot produce results that can be tested or duplicated. Even Linda's crew cannot produce results  that can be tested or duplicated and she has (supposedly) all the notes

QuoteWhat is the probability that the EG projects are SUPER black while They enrich companies working on cover projects with Our taxes?

In my opinion ZERO... it is a dead end... even Hal Puthoff said that. And Hal said that TT Brown himself told him it was a dead end and not to waste his time.

And its not our taxes that are funding these black ops. Our taxes barely cover the day to day operations of the country. Weapons sales, drug deals... those are a few of the main sources of income

QuoteAlso...  Can You get leaks and data about the work at, say, Area 51?  Do They discuss the sports model in the literature?  Except for Lazar, who is not so much a leak as a whistleblower, everything seems to be speculation and photo/video evidence that lets Us know only that SOMETHING was going on there.

Well by that statement you answered it yourself  :P  Bob was a leak (likely controlled release) So was Bill Uhouse, Dan Burisch and a few others. Even Disney showed us what the drive looked like :D

QuoteYou can claim that You have a finger on the pulse and that EG is "dead." 

It is simply that EVERY research lab, government, military and private ALL are working on plasma and fusion. For your theory of EG to be correct that would require millions of lab workers all to be in on the deception... again... to what end? And one key factor is that EVERY TIME the military has found a new device or process, they waste no time in USING it. That is the inherent flaw in your logic...  that the Military could refrain from taking advantage of such a system as you believe in for over 40 years and NOT putting it into use

The plasma research and actual applications can be seen in USE on the stealth craft they are fighting with... in the beam weapons they are using in the field...  none of them use EG

QuoteI don't buy THAT.

That much is obvious :D

You keep saying OUR TAXES

You forget that those that are poor pay very little in taxes. Since the economy has been in the dumps  that means the middle class has less work is losing homes and jobs and is having a hard time of it. That means fewer middle class and thus LESS taxes collected. Obama has given a lot of tax breaks that you would not be aware of in your current situation

So do the math... who is paying the lions share of taxes and just how much is that? USA has 313.9 million (2012) people. Of that according to stats in Jan 2013  154,794 million hold a job so do the math

Because higher-income groups earn a disproportionate share of pretax income and because tax rates rise with income, higher-income groups also pay a disproportionate share of federal taxes. In 2006, the top quintile of households earned 55.7 percent of pretax income and paid 69.3 percent of federal taxes, while the top 1 percent of households earned 18.8 percent of income and paid 28.3 percent of taxes. The highest quintile of American households paying 25.8 percent of their income in federal taxes.

So the 'rich' even with their tax breaks still pay the lion's share of taxes :D

According to Social Security tax records for 2011:
151,380,749 wage earners (had earnings in 2011)
50 percent of US wage earners made less than or equal to the median wage, estimate to be $26,965
66 percent of US wage earners made less than or equal to $41,211.36

So those missing trillions dropping into the black ops bucket cannot possibly come from just taxes :D

Quote from: zorgon on February 09, 2014, 04:59:02 AM
You say you KNOW but cannot produce results that can be tested or duplicated. Even Linda's crew cannot produce results  that can be tested or duplicated and she has (supposedly) all the notes

No.  I cannot.  I have no money and am an artist, not a player with machines.  Likely the dielectric materials that work best are secret...  But Dr. LaViolette suggests that EG is very much alive.  So, between Him, Naudin, Valone and Others, I do have support.  Have You read Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion?

Quote from: zorgon on February 09, 2014, 05:16:53 AM
You keep saying OUR TAXES

You forget that those that are poor pay very little in taxes. Since the economy has been in the dumps  that means the middle class has less work is losing homes and jobs and is having a hard time of it. That means fewer middle class and thus LESS taxes collected. Obama has given a lot of tax breaks that you would not be aware of in your current situation

So do the math... who is paying the lions share of taxes and just how much is that? USA has 313.9 million (2012) people. Of that according to stats in Jan 2013  154,794 million hold a job so do the math

Because higher-income groups earn a disproportionate share of pretax income and because tax rates rise with income, higher-income groups also pay a disproportionate share of federal taxes. In 2006, the top quintile of households earned 55.7 percent of pretax income and paid 69.3 percent of federal taxes, while the top 1 percent of households earned 18.8 percent of income and paid 28.3 percent of taxes. The highest quintile of American households paying 25.8 percent of their income in federal taxes.

So the 'rich' even with their tax breaks still pay the lion's share of taxes :D

According to Social Security tax records for 2011:
151,380,749 wage earners (had earnings in 2011)
50 percent of US wage earners made less than or equal to the median wage, estimate to be $26,965
66 percent of US wage earners made less than or equal to $41,211.36

So those missing trillions dropping into the black ops bucket cannot possibly come from just taxes :D

How did they get on the books to begin with?

Those trillions are setting computers or setting in vaults in the form of cash .propping up europian banks.if that cash was released to the public the wourld economy would skyrocket.there would be no way to hold back the tidal wave of cash.so its locked down.
The black ops money is funding arms to a few armies here and there.probably a little in ukraine.
Where ever that money is.we aint seeing it.ive asked that question of my congressmans secretary.they dont have a clue.
The drug consumption in this country is going way down.way down.this is putting pressure on the gangs on the borders.thus more violence.for what markets are left.
The weird part for me is how it seems people are disappearing in thin air.i know thats not the truth but with the economy slowing down so much.there are barely any cars on the roads.around where i live.folks are just sitting at home watching tv.

Amy.im on your side as far as eg goes.

Quote from: robomont on February 09, 2014, 05:47:54 AM
Amy.im on your side as far as eg goes.

Thank You, Robo.

Quote from: robomont on February 09, 2014, 05:42:22 AM
Those trillions are setting computers or setting in vaults in the form of cash .propping up europian banks.if that cash was released to the public the wourld economy would skyrocket.there would be no way to hold back the tidal wave of cash.so its locked down

Well the cash is likely in China  I hear they hold BILLIONS  As to the Vaults, they used to hold GOLD but I am pretty sure Fort Know and other vaults are empty.... and no one knows where that gold went or why. It might as well have been given/taken by the Annunaki

::)

QuoteWhere ever that money is.we aint seeing it.ive asked that question of my congressmans secretary.they dont have a clue.

Your right Congress is pretty clueless and the president is nothing more than a puppet

QuoteThe drug consumption in this country is going way down.way down.this is putting pressure on the gangs on the borders.thus more violence.for what markets are left.

THAt is why the Gubment is now legalizing MJ :D  To boost those dropping sales ;) Think about it :P

QuoteThe weird part for me is how it seems people are disappearing in thin air.

A while back Steve Fossett vanished... Was gone for over a year before they found his plane impossibly far from his flight path and only found a wallet and a small piece of shirt with a little blood on it for DNA...

Perhaps his talent was needed off world?  His actions before disappearing indicated he wasn't planning on returning.

What if these vanishing people and abductions are the New Shanghai? In the old days when you needed a crew for a ship.... you went to Shanghai with a Billy Club :D Today perhaps they are using similar methods to populate the colony ships. :D Perhaps the annual abductions are screening for crew member fitness :P

Quotei know thats not the truth but with the economy slowing down so much.there are barely any cars on the roads.around where i live.folks are just sitting at home watching tv.

Yes price of gas is a factor for the empty roads but it is true thousand, maybe millions vanish every year without a trace.  Sure some are explainable but not most of them :D

So be careful which saucer you hitch a ride on :D

(http://danscartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/UFO-Alien-Cartoon-10.gif)

QuotePerhaps the annual abductions are screening for crew member fitness

Ok, so I have nothing to worry about then, take the fit one first. I'll hold down the fort.

The money comes from illegal drugs, outright theft (Iraq, Libya) or just the Fed printing it.

Greer claimed that, if he shut up, he could get a special credit card with a high no pay limit.

Quote from: Eighthman on February 09, 2014, 01:50:01 PM
The money comes from illegal drugs, outright theft (Iraq, Libya) or just the Fed printing it.

Greer claimed that, if he shut up, he could get a special credit card with a high no pay limit.

Oh plenty of money is being moved that come from sources like theft and drugs, but these funds are NOT on the books and would not be reported as "missing."  If They are printing money (really, creating numbers on a computer), then they are on the books.  And a trail would be left.  If, as z says, the trillions reported missing are on the books then DRUGS had nothing to do with them.  It must be, therefore, that it's in large part shadow money to begin with if, as He says, it is not all taxes.

Ahem ::)

QuoteYou say you KNOW but cannot produce results that can be tested or duplicated. Even Linda's crew cannot produce results  that can be tested or duplicated and she has (supposedly) all the notes

Well, i have done some of those experiments, as you all know, you also know that these results were decidedly positive.
Therefore i am still very much pursuing the EG ine as far as i can take it.
I have most of those notebooks, and the info in them is well worth following up on, the only down-side is that Linda still thinks it's cutting-edge tech, which it was.....in 1950.

Since then i have learned that they (the black ops/gubmint/illuminati/whoever) have progressed light-years ahead of that, but since we inventors have no black-ops-drug-funded blank chequebook, we have to do what we can, given our meagre funding, which is practically zero :P

QuoteIn my opinion ZERO... it is a dead end... even Hal Puthoff said that. And Hal said that TT Brown himself told him it was a dead end and not to waste his time.

Well he may have said that, and, personally not knowing anything about Puthoff, i am not in any way dissuaded by this. As i say very often, i tend to trust independent analysis, and my own measurements, above other people's opinions :P

QuoteAnd its not our taxes that are funding these black ops. Our taxes barely cover the day to day operations of the country. Weapons sales, drug deals... those are a few of the main sources of income

Probably :D

QuoteThe plasma research and actual applications can be seen in USE on the stealth craft they are fighting with... in the beam weapons they are using in the field...  none of them use EG

I'm not quite sure of that, La Violettes assesment of the coating on the B-3 was spot on, i reckon :) but i agree with you, plasma is the way to go, for a lot of things, but there's no reason these 2 techs can't be combined ;)

QuoteBecause higher-income groups earn a disproportionate share of pretax income and because tax rates rise with income, higher-income groups also pay a disproportionate share of federal taxes.

True, i earn above average and because of that, my wife's social security income is heavily cut (even though we are not officially married, we are heathen) :o but the super rich don't pay taxes, mate, because they never stay in one country long enough.
It's calld the Murdoch Method ;D

QuoteSo the 'rich' even with their tax breaks still pay the lion's share of taxes

Many of them do, but even then their earnings are about 5-10 times my salary, they don't even miss that tax money, and you can be sure they claim expenses like the rest of us, so they get a nice chunk of dough back, once a year, i know ;)

QuoteThe weird part for me is how it seems people are disappearing in thin air.i know thats not the truth but with the economy slowing down so much.there are barely any cars on the roads.around where i live.folks are just sitting at home watching tv.

Like me :D
At least it gives me time to work on OUR stuff ;)
Yes, i see the cracks already forming, it won't be long now.......

QuoteQuote from: robomont on 08-02-2014, 22:47:54

QuoteAmy.im on your side as far as eg goes.

Thank You, Robo.

Since the fusion tech, as Z rightly pointed out, is and always was, pursued by many countries, i would expect there to be several breakthroughs and therefore more interest.
As for EG, well some things you can just sweep under the carpet wile everyones looking at the Fusion thing.
That's why Rossi is so popular, it's all about timing.

QuoteWell the cash is likely in China  I hear they hold BILLIONS  As to the Vaults, they used to hold GOLD but I am pretty sure Fort Know and other vaults are empty.... and no one knows where that gold went or why. It might as well have been given/taken by the Annunaki

I reckon they traded it with Russia & China in exchange for rare metals like Bismuth, Titanium, Barium, Hafnium, and Neodymium.... :P
(see above posts)

QuoteToday perhaps they are using similar methods to populate the colony ships.  Perhaps the annual abductions are screening for crew member fitness

In that case, i would just go outside and lay down, LOL
'I am OLD but still fit, PLEASE take me'
LOL

QuoteSo be careful which saucer you hitch a ride on

Given that the half-life of the most (known) stable isotope of 'Element 115' is a few months at best, that grey obviously forgot to look at the 'use by' date when he refuelled ;D

Glad to be back, i drove almost 600 miles today and i'm poopd, the SOONER we can we get that 'transport interface' working, the BETTER.
:P
-PWM-

When I was in China I was amazed at the amount of "Counterfeit" 100 RMB notes
which were in Circulation.

Some of it was quite well done ... but soon spotted in the Banks, where they always
passed the bills through a counterfeit detection scanner ...

I personally was never a victim... but I saw a lot of others being had, protesting to others
and Police !

I examined many bills, and the ones which were "Counterfeit", were extremely well made,
so well made, I would guess they were imported from outside China to try and destabilise
their Economy...

Just a guess on my part though.

Quote from: Eighthman on February 09, 2014, 01:50:01 PM
The money comes from illegal drugs, outright theft (Iraq, Libya) or just the Fed printing it.

Yeah forgot about the 'just printing it part :D  I did post that with that "American Dream" video

QuoteGreer claimed that, if he shut up, he could get a special credit card with a high no pay limit.

I am certain that the card exists LOL and the NAVY has "unlimited funding" but I highly doubt Greer was made such an offer :P

Yes, Matrix, i guess that many of those 'counterfeits' originated in western countries, i could tell you some things, LOL

As always, i love your input, you are a true HUMAN, something i still aspire to, LOL

8)

ETA: GIMME that card, LOL
:P   -PWM-

Quote from: Amaterasu on February 09, 2014, 05:56:06 PM
If They are printing money (really, creating numbers on a computer), then they are on the books.  And a trail would be left.

No IF  that is a FACT and the government doesn't print money (though the mints are government owned) 

It is explained here;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvKjsIxT_8

and here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGk5ioEXlIM

QuoteIf, as z says, the trillions reported missing are on the books then DRUGS had nothing to do with them.  It must be, therefore, that it's in large part shadow money to begin with if, as He says, it is not all taxes.

The 9 trillion MISSING was 9 trillion of what WAS on the books... Fiscal year 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYNVNhB-m0o

The way the system is set up... IF I say deposit $20,000 into a CD account say 4 years... (CD locks it in for 4 years)  the bank is now allowed to loan out NINE TIMES that amount backed by Federal Reserve Notes   For leaving my money there they will give me a percentage of their earnings  in this case it would be 50%  So at the end of the 4 years I would have $30,000

But they would have issued loans totaling $180,000. So $160,000 of that is NON EXISTING MONEY

Now extrapolate that into millions :D

Quote from: zorgon on February 10, 2014, 01:59:41 AM
No IF  that is a FACT and the government doesn't print money (though the mints are government owned) 

It is explained here;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvKjsIxT_8

and here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGk5ioEXlIM

The 9 trillion MISSING was 9 trillion of what WAS on the books... Fiscal year 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYNVNhB-m0o

The way the system is set up... IF I say deposit $20,000 into a CD account say 4 years... (CD locks it in for 4 years)  the bank is now allowed to loan out NINE TIMES that amount backed by Federal Reserve Notes   For leaving my money there they will give me a percentage of their earnings  in this case it would be 50%  So at the end of the 4 years I would have $30,000

But they would have issued loans totaling $180,000. So $160,000 of that is NON EXISTING MONEY

Now extrapolate that into millions :D

yes folks, its that simple, yet that complex at once....one must think like a banker to play the banking/investment game in most cases.

Fiat isnt just a crappy car nowadays.