Pegasus Research Consortium

http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-malaysia-crash-20140311,0,6832992.story#axzz2vczO7eCV

It seems to have just disappeared.  What happened to this flight?  The above article even says:

"BEIJING — Despite a wealth of technology, crews trying to find the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner must cover a large swath of the South China Sea that varies widely in depth and is subject to fast-moving currents that could carry debris more than 50 miles a day, experts say."

I have seen pieces of a plane float but the South China Sea is large with many currents....curious...why did it suddenly disappear?  No trace?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JpbZZKqxy0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=5JpbZZKqxy0

Flight tracker is a good program

It is a good program.  I watch it periodically.

Very odd the speed of the other plane on radar.  Have not seen that type of thing before.

Lots of tension here, maybe someone knows what really happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNZtz-HVy6c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUFjOi1ZpZVErr8EYxg8t1dQ&feature=player_detailpage&v=hNZtz-HVy6c

The same guy that showed the first video says he has caught flight radar changing the path of the flight.

Then this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLdi7vIAjR4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLdi7vIAjR4&list=UUFjOi1ZpZVErr8EYxg8t1dQ&feature=player_detailpage

Cell phone issues now show up where the relatives can get through...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKSIl3RbZk4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKSIl3RbZk4&list=UUFjOi1ZpZVErr8EYxg8t1dQ&feature=player_detailpage

Then the mystery of the tickets and stolen passports:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GJZ0310HOA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GJZ0310HOA&list=UUFjOi1ZpZVErr8EYxg8t1dQ&feature=player_detailpage

Things that make you go hmmmmm....


Then this from Intellihub:

http://intellihub.com/flight-mh370-made-turn-back-last-tracked-straights-malacca-1-hour-transponder-shutdown/

Interesting Story still unfolding !

Here on TV One Seven Sharp....

http://tvnz.co.nz/seven-sharp/flight-mh-370-video-5862160

It looks like the Malaysian Gov. has been misleading other Counties incl. NZ, as an Aircraft from NZ
was sent to take part in the search, and the Relations of those who MAY have been "Hijacked" !

Both China, NZ and other Countries have been searching in an area where the Aircraft did NOT
come to its End in the South China Sea, if it did in fact ?

There is always Jetsam of some sorts.... NOT all is heavier than water and Air is often trapped in Jetsam !

Apparently the Military did track Flight 370 for some time after it Altered course to fly back
over Malaysia and on over Malacca Strait, yet NO action appears to have taken Place ? ? ?

Well NOT that the public has been told.

Major Embarrassment for the Malaysian Gov. which could have consequences, involving International Politics !

Something smells more nasty than Sewage on this One for sure !

Operation Paperclip 2.0
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1001910/pg1

Cool developments  8)

In La Presse (Newspaper) this morning

     Speculations grews up is the title
translation below

Q: Quelles sont les autres pistes considérées par les autorités?

R: Le chef de police malaisien Khalid Abu Bakar a déclaré que les autorités considéraient la possibilité d'un acte de sabotage, d'un détournement, de l'existence de troubles psychologiques parmi les passagers et les membres du personnel ou des problèmes personnels susceptibles de les amener à vouloir précipiter un accident.

Le pilote, âgé de 53 ans, travaillait pour la compagnie depuis le début des années 80 et comptait plus de 18 000 heures de vol à son actif. Les experts demeurent sceptiques quant à la possibilité d'ennuis mécaniques de l'appareil - le modèle de Boeing en question est considéré comme l'un des plus sécuritaires. Un pilote d'expérience a indiqué hier en entrevue qu'il fallait attendre d'obtenir des éléments concrets et les analyser pour savoir ce qui s'est passé. Un processus long et complexe qui cadre mal, a-t-il prévenu, avec l'avis précipité de «pseudo-experts» qui voient souvent leurs hypothèses démenties par les faits. La détection des boîtes noires de l'appareil, si l'écrasement est avéré, donnerait de précieuses indications sur le sort de celui-ci, mais elles peuvent être difficiles à repérer en mer. Dans le cas du vol d'Air France disparu entre le Brésil et la France en 2009, on ne les avait retrouvées que deux ans après la découverte des débris.

Question: Which are the others views considered by authorities

The Malaysian chief police  Khalid Abu Bakar declared..... The authorities think about sabotage act, hijacking possibilities but also

THE EXISTENCE OF PSYCHOLOGICALS TROUBLES BETWEEN PASSENGERS AND CREW MEMBERS OR SOME PERSONNAL PROBLEMS
LIABLE TO FORCE THEM TO PROVOCATE THE CRASH !!!??**  :o 

the experiment pilot of 53 years old, working for the company since debut 80's had more then 18000 hours of experiences flighting.
The experts don't believe and are skeptics about a mechanical problems issue, this model of Boeing
is one of the most safe & secure.
Yesterday in an interview with another experiment pilot he said ''It will be a long and complex process to determine with exactitude
what really happened and he prevents then in the past the pseudo-experts are wrong and it is not rare then facts
denies their theories, like the case of Air France in 2009 when they found debris 2 years later.

At the end I cut the story a little bit but the essentials is respected.
Voila

Quote from: Sinny on March 12, 2014, 02:04:08 PM
Operation Paperclip 2.0
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1001910/pg1

Cool developments  8)

Now this is a very interesting theory indeed.  It sure would take some planning.  Question is did they have enough time to plan and execute that plan?  By the way...it is a simple thing to mask an electronic signal from the so called black box.  Nice find Sinny.

On the other hand...the last radio transmission from the plane appeared to be normal and then......catastrophy....maybe it was a high order explosion and the plane is in many pieces.  Hard to find but there would still be some sort of debris from bodies..luggage...plane parts....I don't know...indeed a mystery.

Quote from: spacemaverick on March 12, 2014, 06:00:45 PM
By the way...it is a simple thing to mask an electronic signal from the so called black box. 

Hey Astro,

Have you read about the Boeing warning that was just
put out a few months ago that they realized a vulnerability
to hacking? Left these babies wide open, I wonder it that
might have also come into play here.

Maybe it was LANGOLIERS?   :o


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Quote from: zorgon on March 12, 2014, 07:23:00 PM
Maybe it was LANGOLIERS?   :o


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I remember that.  It was scary to me when I watched it.

As for the Boeing warning there was a warning of icing fuel lines and the satellite antennae.

I found it rather odd in a way that the TV news showed a Vietnamese woman in a crowd of what I would guess be the families of the missing and this woman was speaking in that high Vietnamese voice with an English translator from the news translating the woman's words which were, "quote" they want us all to go to Malaysia for what, to stare at the water.

Could this be the work of the D'jinn and or elemental machine force. Disappearing ships, people, planes and unexplained weather patterns, earth tremors and quakes with asteroids falling.

Alright, lets get crazy here and speculate a Millennium effect.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7v9ozrTkMI

http://rt.com/news/satellite-image-malaysia-plane-426/

Could China satellites have found pieces of the missing plane?

Seems like they have had the images since Sunday.  Who is coordinating this search anyway?  I'll fish around some more.

Terror probe launched by Malaysia.

http://rt.com/news/malaysia-plane-missing-crash-766/

Malaysia has launched a terror probe into the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines passenger plane which vanished from radars en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing while carrying 239 people on Saturday. Debris from the jet has reportedly been spotted.

The massive search operation for the Boeing 777, which has been ongoing for about two days, might have brought forth its first results, with possible debris from the aircraft reportedly found in the sea off the coast of south Vietnam.

"We received information from a Vietnamese plane saying that they found two broken objects, which seem like those of an aircraft, located about 50 miles (80 kilometers) to the south-west of Tho Chu Island," an unnamed official from the National Committee for Search and Rescue told AFP. "As it is night they cannot fish them out for proper identification. They have located the position of the areas and flown back to the land."

These objects are believed to be a piece of the jetliner's tail and part of its inner door, The Wall Street Journal reported.

But, a US team involved in the search operation in the South China Sea refuted reports that the debris found belonged to the missing plane, Vietnam's Tuoi Tre news reported.

According to the US embassy representative in Hanoi, Jacky Ly Thang, the American team carried out an investigation and concluded that the object found 100 kilometers southwest of the Vietnamese island of Tho Chu has no connection to the missing aircraft.

Above has been taken directly from the RT article.

I was thinking of the movie Milleinum 1989

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/chinese-satellite-images-may-be-missing-jet-debris-report-n51346




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Chinese Satellite Images May Be of Missing Jet Debris: Report

China's official Xinhua news agency reported Wednesday that a government website has published satellite images of what might be debris from the Malaysia Airlines plane that went missing last week.

According to the website, the high-resolution photos were taken around 11 a.m. local time on March 9 over the South China Sea, which is one of the areas where investigators are searching for the wreckage. The website does not confirm the images actually depict the debris of Flight 370.

NBC News cannot currently confirm what is depicted in the photos and whether they are connected to the missing jetliner.

The Chinese media report said the images appear to show "three suspected floating objects" of varying sizes.

The report includes coordinates of a location in the sea off the southern tip of Vietnam and east of Malaysia.

The largest of the suspected pieces of debris measures about about 79 by 72 feet, according to the Chinese report.

Senior U.S. defense and military officials said they have no information on the Chinese satellite imagery. According to one official, "Nothing's coming up" on their satellite networks regarding these images.

More than 27,000 square nautical miles of sea are being searched in a 12-nation effort, officials said Wednesday, as the hunt for the missing jet entered its fifth day.

— Becky Bratu and Jim Miklaszewski with The Associated Press

http://news.msn.com/world/malaysia-no-engine-data-after-plane-went-missing


Experts say that if the plane crashed into the ocean then some debris should be floating on the surface even if most of the jet is submerged. Past experience shows that finding the wreckage can take weeks or even longer, especially if the location of the plane is in doubt.

The hunt has been punctuated by false leads, the latest Thursday when planes were sent to search the area where Chinese satellite images published on a Chinese government website showed "three suspected floating objects" of varying sizes in a 20-kilometer (12-mile) radius off the southern tip of Vietnam.

"There is nothing. We went there, there is nothing," Azharuddin said.

In the latest in a series of confusing events, he later said the Chinese Embassy had notified the government that the images were released by mistake and did not show any debris from Flight 370.

Malaysia's air force chief said Wednesday that an unidentified object appeared on military radar records about 200 miles (320 kilometers) northwest of Penang, Malaysia, and experts are analyzing the data in an attempt to determine whether the blip is the missing plane.



wouldn't you think that with satilites that can see faces on the street they would be able to find this plane !!

Quote from: sky otter on March 13, 2014, 01:40:01 PM
wouldn't you think that with satilites that can see faces on the street they would be able to find this plane !!

No. :)

A satellite that can take photos with enough resolution to show a face needs millions of photos to cover that area, if there aren't any clouds hiding the surface. The bigger the resolution the smaller the area covered and vice versa.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2579524/Hijacked-hidden-US-counter-terror-officials-fear-plane-captured-debris-spotted-Chinese-ruled-new-data-reveals-airborne-FOUR-hours-vanishing.html

Well now...a new wrinkle in this saga.  We are now told that the aircraft was still airborne for 4 hours after it vanished.  Still, nobody knows the truth.  It will be interesting to know what really happened.  Starting to wonder if someone knows the truth and are not telling.  No, that wouldn't happen now would it? (sarcasm intended)

Okay, here is some additional information.  Once again none of this is proven but this scenario could be more frightening not knowing what the purpose of hijacking an airliner would be.  Flying a nuclear device over a country, exploding said device to create an electromagnetic pulse on the ground.  If this is a hijack, this would be my theory of what it could be used for and this scenario frightens me to be honest with you.

http://intellihub.com/malaysian-airliner-may-commandeered-taken-secret-coco-island-base-new-info-reveals-plane-flew-4-hours-transponder-deactivated/

Apparently the group, likely militarized, who commandeered the jetliner and it's 239 occupants, didn't account for the Boeing company's automatic maintenance download which successfully transferred data from the missing aircraft to Boeing's database about 5-hours after the triple-seven's takeoff. This data transfer did happen and has been confirmed by Boeing officials.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2014/mar/13/mh370-no-sign-of-debris-detected-by-chinese-satellite-live-updates

Here we are now having some corrections to previous news and some updates.  This is not unusual as an incident tends to progress and the experts rule out some things and communication are clear as muddy water.  This is a fluid incident where things may change by the hour as certain things are ruled out.

EXCELLENT TIMELINE AND SUMMARY OF EVENTS ETC....

And some more news:

http://intellihub.com/e-bomb-electronic-weapon-can-make-plane-disappear-videos/

Brings up EMP (electro magnetic pulse)

and yet another scenario


http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/14/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/

CNN Exclusive: Analysis shows two possible Indian Ocean paths for airliner
By Barbara Starr and Chelsea J. Carter, CNN
updated 10:01 PM EDT, Fri March 14, 2014


Washington (CNN) -- Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 made drastic changes in altitude and direction after disappearing from civilian radar, U.S. officials told CNN on Friday, raising questions for investigators about just who was at the controls of the commercial jetliner that went missing one week ago with 239 people on board.

The more the United States learns about the flight's pattern, "the more difficult to write off" the idea that some type of human intervention was involved, one of the officials familiar with the investigation said.

The revelation comes as CNN has learned that a classified analysis of electronic and satellite data suggests the flight likely crashed either in the Bay of Bengal or elsewhere in the Indian Ocean.

The analysis conducted by the United States and Malaysian governments may have narrowed the search area for the jetliner that vanished en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, leaving little trace of where it went or why.

The analysis used radar data and satellite pings to calculate that the plane diverted to the west, across the Malayan peninsula, and then either flew in a northwest direction toward the Bay of Bengal or southwest into the Indian Ocean.

The theory builds on earlier revelations by U.S. officials that an automated reporting system on the airliner was pinging satellites for up to five hours after its last reported contact with air traffic controllers. Inmarsat, a satellite communications company, confirmed to CNN that automated signals were registered on its network.

Taken together, the data point toward speculation of a dark scenario in which someone took control of the plane for some unknown purpose, perhaps terrorism.

That theory is buoyed by word from a senior U.S. official familiar with the investigation that the Malaysia Airlines plane made several significant altitude changes and altered its course more than once after losing contact with flight towers.

The jetliner was flying "a strange path," the official said on condition of anonymity. The details of the radar readings were first reported by The New York Times on Friday.

Malaysian military radar showed the plane climbing to 45,000 feet soon after disappearing from civilian radar screens and then dropping to 23,000 feet before climbing again, the official said.

The question of what happened to the jetliner has turned into one of the biggest mysteries in aviation history, befuddling industry experts and government officials.

Suggestions have ranged from a catastrophic explosion to sabotage to hijacking to pilot suicide.

The sabotage theory got a boost Friday from The Wall Street Journal, which reported investigators increasingly suspect the plane's communications systems were manually switched off.

Investigators are trying to determine whether the satellite communications system that pinged for hours stopped functioning because "something catastrophic happened or someone switched off" the system, the newspaper reported, citing an unnamed person familiar with the jet's last known position.

The pings stopped at a point over the Indian Ocean, while the jetliner was flying at a normal cruising altitude, according to the newspaper.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370: What we know and don't know

Movie-plot theory

Then there's the theory that maybe Flight 370 landed in a remote Indian Ocean island chain.

The suggestion -- and it's only that at this point -- is based on analysis of radar data revealed Friday by Reuters suggesting that the plane wasn't just blindly flying northwest from Malaysia. Reuters, citing unidentified sources familiar with the investigation, reported that whoever was piloting the vanished jet was following navigational waypoints that would have taken the plane over the Andaman Islands.

The radar data don't show the plane over the Andaman Islands, but only on a known route that would take it there, Reuters cited its sources as saying.

The movie-plot theory seems more complicated and unlikely than one in which the plane -- its flight crew perhaps incapacitated -- simply flew on until it ran out of fuel or faced some other problem. But it's one that law enforcement has to check out, former FBI Assistant Director James Kallstrom said.

Timeline of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Aviation experts say it's possible, if highly unlikely, that someone could have hijacked and landed the giant Boeing 777 undetected.

The international airport in Port Blair, the regional capital of the Andaman and Nicobar islands, has a runway that is long enough to accommodate a 777, according to publicly available data.

But the region is highly militarized because of its strategic importance to India, Indian officials with knowledge of the operation tell CNN, making it an unlikely target for pirates trying to sneak in an enormous airplane with a wingspan of more than 200 feet.

Denis Giles, editor of the Andaman Chronicle newspaper, says there's just nowhere to land such a big plane in his archipelago without attracting notice.

"There is no chance, no such chance, that any aircraft of this size can come towards Andaman and Nicobar Islands and land," he said.

The Malaysian government said Friday that it can't confirm the report.

And a senior U.S. official offered a conflicting account Thursday, telling CNN that "there is probably a significant likelihood" the plane is on the bottom of the Indian Ocean.

Among the things being considered is whether lithium batteries in the cargo hold, which have been blamed in previous crashes, played a role in the disappearance, according to U.S. officials briefed on the latest developments in the investigation. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release details to the media.

If the batteries being carried on the plane caused a fire, it still doesn't fully explain other anomalies with Flight 370, the officials say.

What is a transponder?

Details of the search

Malaysian officials, who are coordinating the search, said Friday that the hunt for the plane was spreading deeper into both the Indian Ocean and the South China Sea.

India has deployed assets from its navy, coast guard and air force to the south Andaman Sea to take part in the search, the country's Ministry of Defense said Friday.

Indian search teams are combing large areas of the archipelago. Two aircraft are searching land and coastal areas of the island chain from north to south, an Indian military spokesman said Friday, and two coast guard ships have been diverted to search along the islands' east coast. Indian officials are also including part of the Bay of Bengal in their search, officials said.

As of Friday, 57 ships and 48 aircraft from 13 countries were involved in the search, Hishammuddin Hussein, the minister in charge of defense and transportation, said at a news briefing.

China, which said it would be extending its search, said crews have searched more than 27,000 square miles (about 70,000 square kilometers) of the South China Sea without finding anything.

On Friday, the United States sent the destroyer USS Kidd to scout the Indian Ocean as the search expands into that body of water.

"I, like most of the world, really have never seen anything like this," Cmdr. William Marks of the U.S. 7th Fleet said of the scale of the search. "It's pretty incredible."

"It's a completely new game now," he said. "We went from a chess board to a football field."

Malaysia Airlines: The pilots of the missing plane

Other developments

• "Seafloor event": Chinese researchers say they recorded a "seafloor event" in waters around Malaysia and Vietnam about an hour and a half after the missing plane's last known contact. The event was recorded in a non-seismic region about 116 kilometers (72 miles) northeast of the plane's last confirmed location, the University of Science and Technology of China said.

"Judging from the time and location of the two events, the seafloor event may have been caused by MH370 crashing into the sea," said a statement posted on the university's website.

However, U.S. Geological Survey earthquake scientist Harley Benz said Friday that the event appeared to be consistent with a naturally occurring 2.7-magnitude earthquake.

• Malaysian response: Authorities continued to defend their response to the crash. "A normal investigation becomes narrower with time, I understand, as new information focuses the search," Hussein said. "But this is not a normal investigation. In this case, the information we have forces us to look further and further afield."

However, Bob Francis, a former National Transportation Safety Board official, is one of several experts who have questioned how Malaysian authorities have handled the situation.

"The Malaysians are not doing a superb job of running this investigation," he said. "And they apparently give you some information, and then they withhold information. How much are they relying on and listening to the Europeans and the NTSB who are there with more expertise? I don't know, but I think you know we've got a mixture of a very strange situation that happens to be in an environment, a regulatory environment, that really isn't capable or isn't running an investigation the way it should be run."

How you can help find the plane   http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/11/us/malaysia-airlines-plane-crowdsourcing-search/index.html?hpt=bosread

Barbara Starr reported from Washington, Chelsea J. Carter wrote from Atlanta. CNN's Jethro Mullen, Michael Pearson, Evan Perez, Jim Sciutto, Mike M. Ahlers, Pamela Brown, Aaron Cooper, Brian Walker, Harmeet Shah Singh and Karen Chiu contributed to this report.

Officials - 'It Is Conclusive' Someone
Hijacked Missing Jet

Quote

The official, who is involved in the investigation, says no motive has been established, and it is not yet clear where the plane was taken. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the media.

The official said that hijacking
was no longer a theory. "It is conclusive."




http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/03/15/malaysian-official-it-is-conclusive-someone-hijacked-missing-jet/

They have the data from Satellite, the Rolls Royce engines
have a sat uplink and they kept pinging pressure and temps
to the Satellite. Following the direction of the pings,
engine temps and pressure lead them to believe
the Plane flew for 7 hours.

They have satellite tracking of the engines and we are only now hearing this?

::)

Quote from: zorgon on March 15, 2014, 05:42:24 PM
They have satellite tracking of the engines and we are only now hearing this?

::)

I could have posted it on day one, some people
know these things. But, you know how that goes.

Yes, they have known this from the hours
the flight went missing. Rolls Royce is bound
to keep its mouth shut by The Ori.

They also know that the transponder was manually turned off.  Someone in the black world knows what happened in my opinion.  Diego Garcia is in the Indian Ocean and I am pretty sure they keep and eye on a lot of air space.  So I say what's up USAF and the listening post that is there.  Hello....

I haven't read any clear explanation anywhere as to what the hijackers intended to accomplish - especially as they seemed to be flying to nowhere in particular.

I know there was once a smaller plane that was deliberately brought down in a field because it's entire crew and passengers were dead from decompression.  If this 777 was up for 7 hours, did it fly until it ran out of fuel?

Analysts from U.S. Intelligence, the Federal Aviation Administration and the National Transportation Safety Board have tracked satellite data and pings in the Indian Ocean area that they attribute to Flight 370. And without any visual confirmation of the aircraft, there is only one grim conclusion to make: "There is probably a significant likelihood" that the aircraft is now at the bottom of the Indian Ocean, an official said, according to CNN.

http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/03/14/malaysia-airlines-flight-andaman-islands-landing-zone/

Of course these are some of the people that said a missile did not hit TWA 800 also.  Look behind the curtain!

Oh, I forgot to mention, the Indians say they have a military installation on the Andaman Islands with radar.  Think they can pinpoint what happened in the area.  Like I said, we have the technology to track a shark with a locator on it we can track anything.

Quote from: Eighthman on March 15, 2014, 05:51:16 PM
I haven't read any clear explanation anywhere as to what the hijackers intended to accomplish - especially as they seemed to be flying to nowhere in particular.

Just depends - There are several possible reasons
to hijack a plane, and where the plane goes is determined
by who is doing the hijacking. I think it is safe to say
that this is something deep and nefarious.

QuoteIf this 777 was up for 7 hours, did it fly until it ran out of fuel?

No, the pilot can request additional fuel preflight. Remember
this particular pilot was doing days off practice on
his flight sim....think about that one.


They keep track of the plane by its own contrails, this is no joke.
NSA can look that up in minutes, if not seconds.

A 777 at 45,000 feet is going to blowing a big one.   

Currently involved with checking the below link from Digiglobe who are using crowdsourcing to look for Flight 370.  They have opened up their servers so people can help look for the aircraft using their satellite inmages,

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014/map/282165

That is the satellite map I am looking at right now.


http://www.webpronews.com/tomnod-website-set-up-to-involve-public-in-the-search-for-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-2014-03

and now this....
you know when that many folk perrish at once you can feel it..i don't think they died..
i think the gov's know exactly what happened and are working something behind the scences
what..? is anyones guess


http://news.msn.com/world/malaysian-leader-planes-disappearance-deliberate

Malaysian leader: Plane's disappearance deliberate

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — The Malaysian jetliner missing for more than a week was deliberately diverted and continued flying for more than six hours after severing contact with the ground, meaning it could have gone as far northwest as Kazakhstan or into the Indian Ocean's southern reaches, Malaysia's leader said Saturday.

Prime Minister Najib Razak's statement confirmed days of mounting speculation that the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 to Beijing was not accidental. It also refocused the investigation into the flight's 12-person crew and 227 passengers, and underlined the complicated task for searchers who already have been scouring vast areas of ocean.

"Clearly the search for MH370 has entered a new phase," Najib said at a televised news conference.

Najib stressed that investigators were looking into all possibilities as to why the Boeing 777 deviated so drastically from its original flight path, saying authorities could not confirm whether it was a hijacking. Earlier Saturday, a Malaysian official said the plane had been hijacked, though he added that no motive had been established and no demands had been made known.

"In view of this latest development, the Malaysian authorities have refocused their investigation into the crew and passengers on board," Najib told reporters, reading from a written statement but not taking any questions.

Police on Saturday went to the Kuala Lumpur homes of both the pilot and co-pilot of the missing plane, according to a guard and several local reporters. Authorities have said they will investigate the pilots as part of their probe, but have released no information about how they are progressing.

Related: Indian search finds no trace of Malaysian plane

Experts have previously said that whoever disabled the plane's communication systems and then flew the jet must have had a high degree of technical knowledge and flying experience. One possibility they have raised was that one of the pilots wanted to commit suicide

The plane departed for an overnight flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing at 12:40 a.m. on March 8. Its communications with civilian air controllers were severed at about 1:20 a.m., and the jet went missing — heralding one of the most puzzling mysteries in modern aviation history.

China, where the bulk of the passengers were from, expressed irritation over what it described as Malaysia's foot-dragging in releasing information about the search.

Investigators now have a high degree of certainty that one of the plane's communications systems — the Aircraft and Communications Addressing and Reporting System — was disabled before the aircraft reached the east coast of Malaysia, Najib said. Shortly afterward, someone on board switched off the aircraft's transponder, which communicates with civilian air traffic controllers.

Najib confirmed that Malaysian air force defense radar picked up traces of the plane turning back westward, crossing over Peninsular Malaysia into the northern stretches of the Strait of Malacca. Authorities previously had said this radar data could not be verified.

"These movements are consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane," Najib said

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Although the aircraft was flying virtually blind to air traffic controllers at this point, onboard equipment continued to send "pings" to satellites.

The prime minister said the last confirmed signal between the plane and a satellite came at 8:11 a.m. — 7 hours and 31 minutes after takeoff. This was more than five hours later than the previous time given by Malaysian authorities as the possible last contact.

Airline officials have said the plane had enough fuel to fly for up to about eight hours.

"The investigations team is making further calculations which will indicate how far the aircraft may have flown after this last point of contact," Najib said.

He said authorities had determined that the plane's last communication with a satellite was in one of two possible arcs, or "corridors" — a northern one from northern Thailand through to the border of the Central Asian countries Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, and a southern one from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean.

The northern route might theoretically have taken the plane through China, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan — which hosts U.S. military bases — and Central Asia, and it is unclear how it might have gone undetected. The region is also home to extremist Islamist groups, unstable governments and remote, sparsely populated areas.

Related: Missing plane throws spotlight on passport theft

Flying south would have put the plane over the Indian Ocean, with an average depth of 3,890 meters (12,762 feet) and thousands of kilometers (miles) from the nearest land mass.

Britain-based aviation security consultant Chris Yates thought it was highly unlikely the plane would have taken the northern route across land in Asia.

"In theory, any country that sees a strange blip is going to get fighter planes up to have a look," he said. "And if those fighter planes can't make head or tail of what it is, they will shoot it down."

Najib said search efforts in the South China Sea, where the plane first lost contact, had ended.

Indian officials said navy ships supported by long-range surveillance planes and helicopters scoured Andaman Sea islands for a third day Saturday without any success in finding evidence of the missing jet.

Two-thirds of the plane's passengers were Chinese, and China's government has been under pressure to give relatives firm news of the aircraft's fate.

In a stinging commentary on Saturday, the Chinese government's Xinhua News Agency said the Malaysian information was "painfully belated," resulting in wasted efforts and straining the nerves of relatives.

"Given today's technology, the delay smacks of either dereliction of duty or reluctance to share information in a full and timely manner," Xinhua said. "That would be intolerable."

Related: Missing jet pilots had firm community, family ties

Najib said he understood the need for families to receive information, but that his government wanted to release only fully corroborated reports. He said his country has been sharing information with international investigators, even when it meant placing "national security concerns" second to the search. U.S., British and Malaysian air safety investigators have been on the ground in Malaysia to assist with the investigation.

In the Chinese capital, relatives of passengers who have anxiously awaited news at a hotel near Beijing's airport said they felt deceived at not being told earlier about the plane's last signal. "We are going through a roller coaster, and we feel helpless and powerless," said a woman, who declined to give her name.

At least one of the relatives saw a glimmer of hope in word that the plane's disappearance was a deliberate act, rather than a crash. "It's very good," said a woman, who gave only her surname, Wen.

Malaysian police have already said they are looking at the psychological state, family life and connections of pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, and co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27. Both have been described as respectable, community-minded men.

Zaharie joined Malaysia Airlines in 1981 and had more than 18,000 hours of flying experience. His Facebook page showed an aviation enthusiast who flew remote-controlled aircraft, posting pictures of his collection, which included a lightweight twin-engine helicopter and an amphibious aircraft.

Fariq was contemplating marriage after having just graduated to the cockpit of a Boeing 777. He has drawn scrutiny after the revelation that in 2011, he and another pilot invited two women aboard their aircraft to sit in the cockpit for a flight from Phuket, Thailand, to Kuala Lumpur.

Fourteen countries are involved in the search for the plane, using 43 ships and 58 aircraft.

A U.S. P-8A Poseidon, the most advanced long-range anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare aircraft in the world, was to arrive over the weekend and sweep parts of the Indian Ocean, the U.S. Defense Department said in a statement.

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Associated Press writers Chris Brummitt and Jim Gomez contributed to this report from Kuala Lumpur. AP writer Didi Tang, video producer Aritz Parra and news assistant Henry Hou contributed from Beijing.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-questions/

10. Was anything else on the plane sending data?

Authorities believe that "pings" from the plane's Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) were transmitted to satellites for four to five hours after the transponder stopped sending signals, a senior U.S. official told CNN.

That information, combined with radar data and the fuel the jet was known to be carrying, suggests that the plane may have flown to the Indian Ocean, the official said. That would be in the opposite direction of the plane's scheduled route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

Families wait for news on Flight 370

But the reports on this latest lead have conflicted: Malaysian authorities had said earlier that nothing on the plane was transmitting after 1:07 a.m. last Saturday.

A week after the plane went missing, Prime Minister Najib said Saturday that, "based on new satellite communication, we can say with a high degree of certainty that ... ACARS was disabled just before the aircraft reached the east coast of peninsular Malaysia."

11. What is ACARS?

Introduced in 1978, the air/ground data system was initially used by airlines to record and report basic aircraft movement messages, according to Rockwell Collins, which sells avionics and communications systems to aviation customers. In 1989, ACARS's use was expanded to include air traffic service communications. It uses three radio frequency paths for delivery: two ground-based satellite systems (VHF and UHF) and a satellite link (SATCOM) to send and receive information.

"It's a system where you send digital communications from ship to ground," said John Testrake, a pilot for American Airlines with more than 20 years' experience flying. The automated system generally sends routine messages to the airline, like when the aircraft lifted off or landed and how much fuel it may have, he said. It can also be used to communicate text messages like "light continuous turbulence over the Rockies south of Denver," he said.

"You might want to send that report to your dispatcher so they can give a heads up to the next flight that's coming into that area."

Tom Haueter, former director of the National Transportation Safety Board's Office of Aviation Safety, said ACARS typically beams down engine parameters, temperatures, the amount of fuel burn and any maintenance discrepancies.

According to Malaysia Airlines, all of its aircraft are equipped with ACARS, which transmits data automatically. "Nevertheless, there were no distress calls, and no information was relayed," the airline said.

12. How long was this system working?

The aircraft's ACARS was sending pings over five hours after the transponder last emitted a signal, an aviation industry source told CNN on Friday. These pings don't provide information about speed or altitude, but they do indicate the plane was intact for that long since an aircraft has to be powered and have structural integrity for the ACARS to operate, the source said.

The pings were detected by satellites, which -- combined with radar and other data -- was used to calculate where the plane may have traveled. A U.S. official, who spoke to reporters on condition of anonymity, said the satellite recorded electronic "handshakes" with the 777 that were later analyzed.

The information gleaned from this analysis -- which the U.S. official described as "unprecedented" -- fueled the conclusion that the aircraft turned toward the west -- away from the Gulf of Thailand and toward the Indian Ocean. Referring to the five-to-six hour range in which the plane may have flown after its transponder cut off, the same official said, "We believe we have the time of the loss of the airplane within an hour."

This model of aircraft did have some issues regarding the lithium batteries on board, as well as satellite antennae issues along with issues regarding a certain model of Rolls-Royce engines installed.  The chances of all these being faulty and going down at around the same time are astronomical.  They also have corrosion problems.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-regulators-warned-problems-boeing-777s-153156057.html

Contains a video

Other issues for the 777

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/11/30/boeing-faa-idUSBNG39165620091130

In July, the Federal Aviation Administration had asked Boeing to install redesigned cooling systems on some of its jets with Rolls Royce (RR.L) made engines by January 2011, to prevent the accumulation of ice inside the pipes of the fuel systems. [ID:nN23426135]

FAA turned down recommendations by the National Transportation Safety Board to order the replacement of parts on at least one of the two engines on each affected Boeing 777 aircraft, the paper said.

QuoteEHM uses a range of sensors strategically positioned throughout the engine to record key technical parameters several times each flight. The EHM sensors in aero engines monitor numerous critical engine characteristics such as temperatures, pressures, speeds, flows and vibration levels to ensure they are within known tolerances and to highlight when they are not. In the most extreme cases air crew could be contacted, but far more often the action will lie with the operator's own maintenance personnel or a Rolls-Royce service representative in the field to manage a special service inspection.

The Trent engine can be fitted permanently with about 25 sensors. The figure below shows the typical parameters measured for EHM.

http://www.rolls-royce.com/about/technology/systems_tech/monitoring_systems.jsp

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I've come to the conclusion that the plane is a distraction.
It has consumed the news on an international stage.
And the mystery thickens with each passing day...

Whats not on the news I wonder? ....

Quote from: Sinny on March 15, 2014, 08:00:24 PM
I've come to the conclusion that the plane is a distraction.
It has consumed the news on an international stage.
And the mystery thickens with each passing day...

Whats not on the news I wonder? ....

Well you have successfully made yourself the chairwoman of the steering committee ..... why don't you tell us poor ignorant fools what to be thinking about.

Freescale Semi-conductors ... maybe you should be thinking about.

See there I go nudging again and I promised myself I would stop that.

C..

Quote from: Sinny on March 15, 2014, 08:00:24 PM
I've come to the conclusion that the plane is a distraction.
It has consumed the news on an international stage.
And the mystery thickens with each passing day...

Whats not on the news I wonder? ....

You have a very valid point Sinny ....

Often its NOT what we see or are aware of but rather what is NOT seen and often distractions
are presented to ensure something remains hidden.

If suicide was involved then this involves a huge amount of $$$$$$ in claims against the airline
and is also an embarrassment to the airline and government.... exposing a failure in the systems
monitoring "Pilot Auditing".

John Lear might be able to through some light on procedures involving airline pilots ?
Or Z might know something about Pilot Auditing ?

If the airline can drag out things to the point most of the evidence is lost, it would save the company
Millions of $$$$.


Perhaps suicide was involved ?

If it was a case of suicide which IF it is, is certainly NOT the 1st Time,
and sadly won't be the last, think about what the claims would be in terms of $$$$$$'s,
involving the airline and Insurance Companies, the Indonesian Gov. and the airline could go belly up over it ?
Not to mention the tourism industry which involves directly the Indonesian economy ?

The longer this is dragged out, the more difficult it would be to prove anything except "Misadventure".



Then there is that Possibility that the aircraft is parked up somewhere, and the delay involved,
in any hijackers may be simply to cause more anxiety before making their demands...

Perhaps the Authorities are dealing with such demands involving hijackers, which are so sensitive
and embarrassing it is being kept from public knowledge.

Once again the Embarrassment involving such an event esp. IF it involved any Airline Staff,
and a failure in procedures involving "Pilot Auditing" or other "Staff Auditing", may be too much for both
the Airline and the Indonesian Gov. ?

But as to WHAT has happened regarding this Flight, I am in the dark !

Something is very, very wrong here, in the way information has been released !

As though someone is trying to cover their "Ass" !

I guess it will all come out in the end ?

Often huge blunders are made, in handling these matters, especially if something is trying to be hid
from the public... It's a human thingy ....  :(

[quote author=The Matrix Traveller link=topic=6388.msg89629#msg89629

Something is very, very wrong here, in the way information has been released !

As though someone is trying to cover their "Ass" !

[/quote]

Indeed Matrix, or it is a set up.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 15, 2014, 10:06:35 PM
Then there is that Possibility that the aircraft is parked up somewhere, and the delay involved,
in any hijackers may be simply to cause more anxiety before making their demands...

What is the minimum runway length that airplane needs to land? Anyone knows?

Quote from: ArMaP on March 15, 2014, 10:13:02 PM
What is the minimum runway length that airplane needs to land? Anyone knows?

4500 for a very experienced pilot, 5500 for a more
typical landing.

6500 to take off...

 some interesting comments




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/15/malaysia-airlines-diverted-deliberately_n_4969855.html

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NYT: Authorities Possibly Looking At Engineer On Board
The Times reports:

In combing for people on board the plane with high-level aviation experience, the authorities may also be looking at an aviation engineer who was among the passengers. The New Straits Times, a newspaper published in Malaysia, interviewed a man who said his son was an aircraft engineer and had been heading to China to work on Malaysia Airlines' planes. A company spokeswoman, however, said early Sunday that the passenger was an employee of a private-jet firm, not Malaysia Airlines.

Read more here.



CNN: Pilot Still Talking After Transponder Shut Off
The last voice communication from the cockpit a week ago were these words: "All right, good night." They were uttered at the Vietnam air traffic control border, after ACARS and the transponder were shut off. That suggests the incident on the plane began sooner than initially thought.

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CNN: Pilot Still Talking After Transponder Shut Off
The last voice communication from the cockpit a week ago were these words: "All right, good night." They were uttered at the Vietnam air traffic control border, after ACARS and the transponder were shut off. That suggests the incident on the plane began sooner than initially thought.

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ABC News: Plane Made 'Tactical Maneuvers' To Evade Radar
The missing plane performed "tactical evasion maneuvers" after it vanished from radar screens, two anonymous law enforcement officials told ABC News, indicating that the person in control of the plane at that point had a high level of expertise:

The officials briefed on the situation said that the maneuvers appeared to be done to evade radar, and U.S. authorities believe only a person with extensive flight or engineering experience could have executed them.

After the plane's transponder - which reports the plane's location and altitude - was turned off about 1:20 a.m. last Saturday, the plane was picked up by military radar as it turned back towards Malaysia and passed above Peninsular Malaysia before heading into the Strait of Malacca.

After a week of scrutinizing passengers and the crew, one of the officials said there were no indications anyone besides the pilots had the ability to perform the complicated maneuvers done by the plane. Furthermore, officials said they have found no link between the passengers and known terrorist groups and that the plane could have been flown into a densely populated area if the incident was related to terrorism - but it wasn't. There is also the possibility that the pilots could have been coerced or made to redirect the plane by force.

Read the full ABC News report here.

Quote from: sky otter on March 15, 2014, 11:04:38 PM
some interesting comments

After the plane's transponder - which reports the plane's location and altitude - was turned off about 1:20 a.m. last Saturday, the plane was picked up by military radar as it turned back towards Malaysia and passed above Peninsular Malaysia before heading into the Strait of Malacca.

Something really not right here, if they picked up the plane
on radar why did they not investigate?

I would imagine that they could have had some
jets there in no time to take a peek.

QuoteSomething really not right here, if they picked up the plane
on radar why did they not investigate?

Perhaps they did ?  But NOT saying anything because of the situation... for whatever reasons.

If their Gov. Defence Surveillance of "Airspace" over the region was active, then they would know
exactly where the Aircraft flew !

If NOT then their Defence Systems need serious attention !

Which I doubt is the case !

"Flight Recording Data" exists both in "Ground based Installations", as well as on the aircraft !

Someone Knows !

Indicated by their behaviour regarding; Informing the relatives, and the release of Information to the public !


We in NZ sent one of our Air force aircraft into the area, to assist with Search and Rescue, but it appears
they were misinformed as well as other Countries assisting in the Search !

Either "Corruption" is Involved or Some have NOT been performing their Duties or Sensitive action is taking place ...

Embarrassment ?

Perhaps !

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 15, 2014, 11:36:29 PM
We in NZ sent one of our Air force aircraft into the area, to assist with Search and Rescue, but it appears
they were misinformed as well as other Countries assisting in the Search !

Indeed, this as you have described is evidence,
Someone knew! And someone does know now too!

Re: Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?
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and now this....
you know when that many folk perrish at once you can feel it..i don't think they died..
i think the gov's know exactly what happened and are working something behind the scences
what..? is anyones guess



yeah and i think sinny has a good point also in that what else is going on..
well a lot is
but what is particularly going on that we may have overlooked

oh and ..good guiding there sinny...chairwoman of the steering committee

Quote from: burntheships on March 15, 2014, 10:25:52 PM
4500 for a very experienced pilot, 5500 for a more
typical landing.

6500 to take off...

Thanks, but those are what, feet?  :)

Quote from: ArMaP on March 16, 2014, 12:16:49 AM
Thanks, but those are what, feet?  :)

Oh, sorry I did forget that. Yes, that is feet and an
estimation playing to the safe side.

If one is a kamakazie pilot, I think they could
do it with around 3200 feet.

Quote from: sky otter on March 16, 2014, 12:16:18 AM

and now this....

what..? is anyones guess

I for some reason think they should look to Myanmar,
and even the Coconut Grove there.

Quote from: Sinny on March 15, 2014, 08:00:24 PM
I've come to the conclusion that the plane is a distraction.
It has consumed the news on an international stage.
And the mystery thickens with each passing day...

Whats not on the news I wonder? ....

I am in Your camp, Sinny.

Quote from: Amaterasu on March 16, 2014, 03:11:26 AM
I am in Your camp, Sinny.

That would be my first choice and that's what I thought also.  Diego Garcia is another possibility. (look behind the curtain and wonder)

http://twitchy.com/2014/03/15/mh370-watchers-asking-questions-about-diego-garcia/

With their advanced radar systems and other technology they would know something at Diego Garcia.

The next thing to find out is:  Were there any engineers on board?  If so what type and who did they work for?  What was their fields of expertise?  What about the passports that had been stolen...this seemed to have fallen by the wayside??  Why isn't the emergency beacon working if it crashed?  They should be hearing something from the recorders for 30 days...I know they are starting to look at the passengers and flight crew.

They should have had a team investigating crew and passengers, they should have had better coordination of air and ground assets offered to them by the international community and the very fact that transmission of information of the plane was still happening after transponder went silent should have been an indication that there was a strange problem going on.  When transponder went out then interceptors should have been scrambled to check out the issue.  What a mess.  Sounds like what happened to us during 9-11 when interceptors were going to Cold War positions and there was an internal threat.  All these so called experts....really

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581817/Doomed-airliner-pilot-political-fanatic-Hours-taking-control-flight-MH370-attended-trial-jailed-opposition-leader-sodomite.html

Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location

Police investigate data from home flight simulator of captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53
Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim
Police officers fear Ibrahim being jailed could have left Shah profoundly upset
Flight MH370 disappeared more than a week ago with 239 people on board
Despite a huge multinational search effort, no signs of the plane or a crash have been found

Malaysian Prime Minister said yesterday that the plane was deliberately steered off course
FBI experts say disappearance could be 'act of piracy', suggesting passengers are being held


By Simon Parry IN KUALA LUMPUR


PUBLISHED: 17:08 EST, 15 March 2014  | UPDATED: 20:01 EST, 15 March 2014


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581817/Doomed-airliner-pilot-political-fanatic-Hours-taking-control-flight-MH370-attended-trial-jailed-opposition-leader-sodomite.html#ixzz2w6HjP3DJ
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This is an interesting twist I did not know about until a few moments ago.  A must read in my book!

Police are investigating the possibility that the pilot of missing Flight MH370 hijacked his own aircraft in a bizarre political protest.


The Mail on Sunday has learned that Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was an 'obsessive' supporter of Malaysia's opposition leader, Anwar Ibrahim. And hours before the doomed flight left Kuala Lumpur it is understood 53-year-old Shah attended a controversial trial in which Ibrahim was jailed for five years.


Campaigners say the politician, the key challenger to Malaysia's ruling party, was the victim of a long-running smear campaign and had faced trumped-up charges.




Police sources have confirmed that Shah was a vocal political activist – and fear that the court decision left him profoundly upset. It was against this background that, seven hours later, he took control of a Boeing 777-200 bound for Beijing and carrying 238 passengers and crew.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26591056



http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11220613

QuoteBritain-based aviation security consultant Chris Yates thought it was highly unlikely the plane would have taken the northern route across land in Asia. "In theory, any country that sees a strange blip is going to get fighter planes up to have a look," he said. "And if those fighter planes can't make head or tail of what it is, they will shoot it down."

At least 14 countries are involved in the search for the plane, using 43 ships and 58 aircraft.

Very good spacemaverick! Hopefully there is still some hope for the passengers! 

I sure hope so.  Good night you all.

*cough*

http://vietnam.craigslist.org/for/4372477162.html
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FB.

Quote from: Fruitbat on March 16, 2014, 05:59:02 AM
*cough*

http://vietnam.craigslist.org/for/4372477162.html
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FB.

"Ask for Fariq when calling..."  But there's no number to call.  A joke perhaps?  [wink]

Saw this at the "other" site.... thought it was interesting.

QuoteTwenty of the passengers aboard the flight work with Freescale Semiconductor, a company based in Austin, Texas. The company said that 12 of the employees are from Malaysia and eight are from China.

While four passengers who boarded a missing Malaysian jet are under special investigation for stolen and other passport-related issues, twenty passengers were involved in cutting edge electronic technology used for defense purposes, including electronic warfare, such as weapons that can "cloak" or make planes invisible, appearing to vanish.

http://www.examiner.com/article/malaysia-jet-hidden-by-electronic-weaponry-20-ew-defense-linked-passengers (http://www.examiner.com/article/malaysia-jet-hidden-by-electronic-weaponry-20-ew-defense-linked-passengers)

Quote from: spacemaverick on March 16, 2014, 05:28:28 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581817/Doomed-airliner-pilot-political-fanatic-Hours-taking-control-flight-MH370-attended-trial-jailed-opposition-leader-sodomite.html

Doomed airliner pilot was political fanatic: Hours before taking control of flight MH370 he attended trial of jailed opposition leader as FBI reveal passengers could be at a secret location

Police investigate data from home flight simulator of captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53
Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim
Police officers fear Ibrahim being jailed could have left Shah profoundly upset
Flight MH370 disappeared more than a week ago with 239 people on board
Despite a huge multinational search effort, no signs of the plane or a crash have been found

Malaysian Prime Minister said yesterday that the plane was deliberately steered off course
FBI experts say disappearance could be 'act of piracy', suggesting passengers are being held


By Simon Parry IN KUALA LUMPUR


PUBLISHED: 17:08 EST, 15 March 2014  | UPDATED: 20:01 EST, 15 March 2014


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581817/Doomed-airliner-pilot-political-fanatic-Hours-taking-control-flight-MH370-attended-trial-jailed-opposition-leader-sodomite.html#ixzz2w6HjP3DJ
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This is an interesting twist I did not know about until a few moments ago.  A must read in my book!

Police are investigating the possibility that the pilot of missing Flight MH370 hijacked his own aircraft in a bizarre political protest.


The Mail on Sunday has learned that Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was an 'obsessive' supporter of Malaysia's opposition leader, Anwar Ibrahim. And hours before the doomed flight left Kuala Lumpur it is understood 53-year-old Shah attended a controversial trial in which Ibrahim was jailed for five years.


Campaigners say the politician, the key challenger to Malaysia's ruling party, was the victim of a long-running smear campaign and had faced trumped-up charges.




Police sources have confirmed that Shah was a vocal political activist – and fear that the court decision left him profoundly upset. It was against this background that, seven hours later, he took control of a Boeing 777-200 bound for Beijing and carrying 238 passengers and crew.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/15/article-2581817-1C5441ED00000578-457_964x1609.jpg)

Yes!  That guy!

This was planned for a long time.  Flown to a secret airstrip, and hidden.  We are sure to hear more from the plotters.

Myanmar has a Buddhist majority...

Cosmo

Quote from: spacemaverick on March 16, 2014, 04:53:28 AM
When transponder went out then interceptors should have been scrambled to check out the issue.

Interceptors from which country?

http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=244482:shock-political-twist-after-days-of-secretly-holding-pilots-laptop-is-msian-pm-out-to-blame-anwar?&Itemid=2#axzz2w8Z8hfsu


Sunday, 16 March 2014 09:00 SHOCK POLITICAL TWIST: MH370 pilot was 'obsessed' with Anwar Ibrahim, M'sian PM may QUIT SOON
Written by Wong Choon Mei, Malaysia Chronicle

KUALA LUMPUR - Amid intensifying calls for Prime Minister Najib Razak to step down to take responsibility for mishandling the missing flight MH370 crisis, and after days of secretly holding the doomed pilot's laptop, the Malaysian authorities have suddenly 'loosened' their lips in what appears to be a bid to draw in and tarnish Opposition Leader Anwar Ibrahim.

The 66-year-old Anwar is Najib's political arch rival, and who the day before the plane went missing on Saturday, had been convicted and jailed on sodomy charges that many have opined were manifestly trumped up by the Najib regime.

In fact when the news of the missing airplane first broke, political cynics had privately termed the tragedy as a 'Godsend' for the 60-year-old PM, who stood to face a crippling backlash from the Malay community, the country's predominant electorate, for resorting to 'political dirty tricks' to shut out another Malay leader.

However, the fire could not be contained and the MH370 tragedy may instead sound the political death knell for Najib himself. Expected to resign shortly, there is concern that Najib was trying to deflect blame and further smear his political nemesis on the way out from power.

Najib to step down soon

Over the past three days, rumors of Najib's imminent resignation had turned red-hot and political watchers from his Umno party told Malaysia Chronicle that he had been 'forced' to agree to give up his post following tremendous pressure from party seniors, and would announce his decision soon.

Meanwhile, the UK's Mail on Sunday reported the Malaysian police were investigating the possibility that the pilot of missing Flight MH370 had hijacked his own aircraft in a bizarre political protest.




Political watchers believe the beleaguered Najib has finally succumbed to pressure from party mentors such as ex-premier Mahathir Mohamad and ex-finance minister Daim Zainuddin to quit, and are expecting an announcement to be made soon.

Related Stories:

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Anwar verdict doesn't just EMBARRASS Malaysia, it IMPEDES IT - Forbes 'Political fanatic' pilot had attended Anwar's trial, expressed disgust at verdict



The Mail on Sunday said it had learned that Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah was an 'obsessive' supporter of Malaysia's opposition leader, Anwar Ibrahim.

And hours before the doomed flight left Kuala Lumpur it is understood 53-year-old Shah attended a controversial trial in which Ibrahim was jailed for five years.


Campaigners say the politician, the key challenger to Malaysia's ruling party, was the victim of a long-running smear campaign and had faced trumped-up charges.


Police sources have confirmed that Shah was a vocal political activist – and fear that the court decision left him profoundly upset.

It was against this background that, seven hours later, he took control of a Boeing 777-200 bound for Beijing and carrying 238 passengers and crew.



yikes missed a whole lot more below a bunch of photos
..also  many many  pictures at link


The final picture: The missing jet is pictured her in February this year above Polish airspace


Yesterday, Malaysian police searched his house in the upmarket Kuala Lumpur suburb of Shah Alam, where he had installed a home-made flight simulator. But this newspaper can reveal that investigators had already spent much of last week examining two laptops removed from Shah's home. One is believed to contain data from the simulator


Confirming rising fears, Malaysia's prime minister Najib Razak announced yesterday that MH370 was deliberately steered off course after its communication system was switched off. He said it headed west over the Malaysian seaboard and could have flown for another seven hours on its fuel reserves.


It is not yet clear where the plane was taken, however Mr Razak said the most recent satellite data suggests the plane could have been making for one of two possible flight corridors. The search, involving 43 ships and 58 aircraft from 15 countries, switched from the South China Sea to the Bay of Bengal in the Indian Ocean.


US investigators say faint 'pings' were being transmitted for several hours after the flight lost contact with the ground.


Meanwhile, military radar showed the jet climbed to 45,000ft – above its service limit – which could have been a deliberate attempt to knock out the passengers and crew.



Police raid of pilot's home 'STAGE-MANAGED': Zaharie's laptops already seized last week


Anwar Ibrahim is a broadly popular democracy icon and former deputy prime minister whose prosecution on a charge of sodomy is seen by many Malaysians as political persecution.


The raids on Captain Shah's home appeared stage-managed as a display of intent after the Prime Minister said the focus of the investigation was now on 'crew and passengers' as a result of the latest leads.


But investigators have told the Mail on Sunday inquiries into the background of the pilot actually began days earlier.


Malaysian police, helped by FBI agents from the US, are looking into the political and religious backgrounds of both Zaharie and his co-pilot. Zaharie's home was sealed off yesterday as police spent an hour inside.


However, a senior investigation source said two laptops were taken from the property in low-key visits by police early last week despite a series of denials by officials that his home had been searched or raided.


One laptop taken away is thought to contain data from the flight simulator while a second contained little information. Zaharie's personal laptop was not found, and is thought to have been with him in the cockpit of the plane, the source said.


Hunt: Investigators have raided the houses of both pilots. Pictured is where co-pilot Hamid lives in an upmarket Kuala Lumpur suburb



Zaharie's co-workers have told investigators the veteran pilot was a social activist who was vocal and fervent in his support of Ibrahim.


'Colleagues made it clear to us that he was someone who held strong political beliefs and was strident in his support for Anwar Ibrahim,' another investigation source said. 'We were told by one colleague he was obsessed with politics.'


Democracy icon, Anwar was jailed for 5 years

Anwar Ibrahim is a broadly popular democracy icon and former deputy prime minister whose prosecution on a charge of sodomy is seen by many Malaysians as political persecution.

Campaigners say the politician, the key challenger to Malaysia's ruling party, was the victim of a long-running smear campaign and had faced trumped-up charges.

Captain Shah, who is thought to have attended the trial in Putrajaya hours before flying, is thought to be incensed by the verdict.


Co-workers have told investigators the veteran pilot was a social activist who was vocal and fervent in his support of Ibrahim.

Investigators said: 'We are looking into the theory that Zaharie's political beliefs may be a factor. There are huge sensitivities surrounding this but we cannot afford not to pursue any angle brought to our attention.'


In their interviews, colleagues said Zaharie told them he planned to attend the court case involving Anwar on March 7, just hours before the Beijing flight, but investigators had not yet been able to confirm if he was among the crowd of Anwar supporters at court.


Zaharie is believed to be separated or divorced from his wife although they share the same house, close to Kuala Lumpur's international airport. They have three children, but no family members were at home yesterday: only the maid has remained there.

Political dirty tricks and bullying the norm in Malaysia


The revelations about Zaharie's political affiliations are highly sensitive in a country where political dirty tricks are widespread.


One of the investigation sources said: 'We are looking into the theory that Zaharie's political beliefs may be a factor. There are huge sensitivities surrounding this but we cannot afford not to pursue any angle brought to our attention.'


Separately, a police source told the Mail on Sunday: 'I can confirm our investigations include the political and religious leanings of both pilots.'


Zaharie joined Malaysia  Airlines in 1981. He became a captain about ten years later  and has clocked up 18,360 hours of flying experience.


A Malaysian govt conspiracy right from the beginning?



In the days after Flight MH370 disappeared, Zaharie was affectionately described as a good neighbour and an eccentric 'geek' who had a flight simulator at home simply because he loved his work so much.


Malaysian officials initially appeared keen not to direct any suspicion towards Zaharie or his co-pilot, 27-year-old Fariq Abdul Hamid, who was last week revealed to have invited two women passengers into the cockpit and smoked on an earlier flight to Phuket.


But evidence of the way the plane's transponder and communication systems were disabled and the way the plane was expertly flown over the Indian Ocean apparently using navigational waypoints meant only a skilled aviator could have been at the controls. Investigators were also baffled by why, if hijackers took over the plane, there was no Mayday call or signal from the two pilots to say the cockpit had been breached.


At yesterday's press conference, the suspicion over the pilot's involvement mounted as prime minister Najib Razak said that investigators had found 'deliberate action' on board the plane resulted in it changing course and losing contact with ground crews.


As a result of the new information, Malaysian authorities had 'refocused their investigation on crew and passengers aboard', he said. Police sealed off the area surrounding Zaharie's home and searched the house shortly after the press conference.


Mr Razak said the new satellite evidence shows 'with a high degree of certainty' that the one of the jet's communications devices – the Aircraft and Communications Addressing and Reporting System  was disabled just before it had reached the east coast of Malaysia. ACARS is a service that allows computers aboard the plane to relay in-flight information about the health of its systems back to the ground.


Shortly afterwards, near the cross-over point between Malaysian and Vietnamese air traffic controllers, the plane's transponder, which emits an identifying signal, was switched off or, less likely, failed.


According to a military radar, the aircraft then turned and flew back over Malaysia before heading in a north-west direction.


Search: Investigators from countries around the world have been scouring the oceans



A satellite was able to pick up a 'ping' from the plane until 08:11 local time, more than seven hours after it lost radar contact, although it was unable to give a precise location. Mr Razak went on to say that based on this new data, investigators 'have determined the plane's last communication with a satellite was in one of two possible corridors – north from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan through to northern Thailand, and south from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean.


If as suspected the plane was diverted into the Indian Ocean, the task of the search teams becomes more difficult, as there are hundreds of uninhabited islands and the water reaches depths of around 23,000ft.


Countries in the plane's potential flightpath have now joined a huge effort to locate the missing passengers, but China described the revelation as 'painfully belated'. And FBI investigators say the disappearance of MH370 may have been 'an act of piracy' and that the possibility that its hundreds of passengers are being held at an unknown location has not been ruled out.




Meanwhile, leading aviation lawyer James Healy–Pratt, who is helping relatives, said Malaysian Airlines had declined to buy Boeing's Airplane Health Management system, which monitors systems in real time and could have alerted it to any potential problems, rather than having to recover a black box.



'If the transponder was manually disabled then one can only hope that the black boxes were not also manually disabled,' he said. 'Otherwise, the truth will never be known.' - Daily Mail, Agencies, Malaysia Chronicle



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Quote from: Amaterasu on March 16, 2014, 08:59:15 AM
"Ask for Fariq when calling..."  But there's no number to call.  A joke perhaps?  [wink]

Most likely, it's not even the same model.

Quote from: ArMaP on March 16, 2014, 02:46:51 PM
Interceptors from which country?

Sorry, the plane was headed into Vietnamese airspace.  Vietnam.  Also Malaysia has an air force...I would have scrambled immediately.

Interesting post from airliners.net forum.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/

QuoteSanity Check

• Doing this as much to keep my brain aligned as to provide a data source.
• The facts have not changed much, however the is more data about track and time-line
• I've tried to be as factually accurate as I can - but I'm not an expert in each system - so if there factual errors please advise.
• I'm going to try to list what we know, not what we think - we being the public. And sadly it is very short.

First a synopsis
• The ship took off normally and headed on course to Beijing
• The last ACARS transmission was about 01:07 local. Confusion continues about if and when ACARS was turned off(See ACARS below)
• The last comms were a normal hand-off from Malaysia to Vietnam control at about 1:30 local. It was a normal 'good night' on the Malaysian side, but Vietnam was not contacted.
• The aircraft dropped off secondary radar with no communication from the cockpit.
• There are reports of a climb to 45K, uneven descent and some changes in altitude. Since this is based on primary radar - altitude data is somewhat uncertain. The last has been reported as 29,500ft but that seems in dispute.
• There are subsequent primary radar returns west over Malacca Straight and then north west Since it is primarily radar - a reflection - it does identify the a/c, however it has been correlated with SATCOM pings so confidence is high that the returns are from MH370
• SATCOM system pings continued for 7+ hrs after LOS (loss of signal)
• SATCOM pings do not locate the aircraft but based on correlation to signal strength there are 2 paths the aircraft could have taken
• Path one is north over Andaman Sea, Bay of Bengal as far as Kazakhstan/Turkmenistan and is consistent with primary radar.
• Path two is south over the India Ocean west of Australia. We've had no reports of radar signals in that area.
• The last SATCOM ping was at 8:11 am Malaysian time. At that time it would be dark on the north path and light over the south path.
• We have no ELT signal detected.
• While authorities (Malaysian) have not confirmed this is a hijacking or purposeful event - it is believed that is highly likely by most, however, motivation is unknown.

ACARS
• ACARS is an automated aircraft communication system that transmits a/c information, primarily maintenance information, to maintenance facilities like the airline, Boeing, Engine Manf, etc.
• ACARS is NOT a flight system - it is not needed for safe flight.
• ACARS is a subscription service and costs money. All indications are the MH370 was subscribed only to engine health monitoring and data from that is sent to Rolls Royce.
• ACARS communicates via VHF or SATCOM (and maybe Wifi at the gate). The communications channel depends on availability and is independent of the ACARS.

ACARS data from MH370
• The ACARS system sent 2 engine health reports to Rolls Royce, both prior to the LOS event.
• There seems to be disagreement on if the ACARS was switched off, or if it was not expected to send more data.
• The Malaysian PM stated they had high confidence ACARS was turned off.
• But, Rolls Royce has not commented on if more ACARS reports would have been expected prior to landing.
• Turning off ACARS reportedly requires entering the EE bay which is not simple in flight.
• UPDATE per TriStarSteve,26, 186:Pilots can deselect ACARS transmission by VHF and SATCOM. This does not turn off the VHF and SATCOM, just stops ACARS from using them.
• The ACARS report received prior to LOS had 'interesting' altitude data/fluctuations including 40K drop in a minute. That data is suspect.
• UPDATE: Per the RR webpage a snapshot would be expected at takeoff, climb, cruise and summary post landing.
• Since no "landing" report was received, then either the ACARS was turned off, or the a/c did not land. It is not clear to me if the last report was climb or cruise.
• We have not heard if ACARS would send a report upon fuel starvation flame-out.

SATCOM
• SATCOM is a communications channel - Satellite Communications. It is a radio system that uses satellites to communicate various information.
• SATCOM is not ACARS - it is one of the channels ACARS can use.
• The SATCOM system on MH370 was connecting to Inmarsat satellites.

SATCOM Pings
• The SATCOM system sends (or responds to) periodic 'pings' to/from the satellites. These 'pings' are a network communication that says "I am here."
• SATCOM pings are not communicating a/c status, they are part of the communications channel.
• The last pings were detected at 8:11am Malaysia time
• SATCOM pings provide no aircraft heading, speed or altitude information, however, distance from the Satellite can be estimated.
• Based on analysis of the SATCOM pings by Inmarsat, two possible routes have been predicted based upon a radius from the satellite picking up the pings.
• People have asked if SATCOM pings would occur if the aircraft was landed, but operating.
• We have not seen data on this, but I would presume it would.
• People have asked if SATCOM pings could come from a crashed plane if the right parts survived.
• Very unlikely. The system is not self contained, the equipment, power and antennas are separate.

CRV/FDR Data
• The CVR (cockpit voice recorder) and FDR (flight data recorder) do not transmit data in flight.
• They do emit sonic pings if immersed. These will last a minimum of 30 days. We can expect sonar is being used to listen for them.
• The CVR reportedly is a 120 minute CVR so it would contain only the last 120 minutes of flight (presuming it did not fail or was turned off prior to that).
• I don't have data form the recording time of the FDR, but it is typically much longer.

Way-point Tracks
• The use of way-points to the navigate are conjecture. They happen to line up with the direction indicated by the primary radar returns and Inmarsat data to the north.
• While many believe the aircraft was under control - we cannot conclude if these way-point were used, or just along the path.

Airworthiness Directive
• The airworthiness directive about corrosion near the SATCOM antenna does not apply to this ship.
• The ship DOES have SATCOM - but uses a different antenna

Lithium Battery Fires.
• There are reports of a shipment of lithium batteries on the a/c and that perhaps they caused a fire.
• It seems very unlikely a fire could be intense enough to disable the crew, but then the a/c would survive and fly for 7+ hours.
• Opinion: as a firefighter, I doubt this. The fire would destroy the a/c.

Search Areas
• Along the planed route. I believe searching in this area is ending or decreasing based on new data indicating the a/c is not there
• West over the Malacca straight
• North west of Malacca straight
• Along the two tracks predicted by the SATCOM pings which continue north to Kazakhstan/Turkmenistan and south to the India Ocean.
• These are huge search areas - I do not have a good handle on what assets are deployed where
• It appears the north route is considered more likely because of primary radar signals that roughly correlate.
• I would expect review of primary radar west of Australia is in process if not done.

Conspiracy Theories
• There are lots of conspiracy theories out there - from the Malaysian government hiding something to pilot suicide, to hijacking to whatever.
• The breadth of the countries searching alone makes me discount many of the government is hiding it aspects
• It is likely there are covert (secret) resources in the area that are trying to provide the info without revealing themselves.
• Currently, it seems most believe there is some positive action here - hijacker or crew based.
• Opinion: Mostly, I believe this is because a mechanical failure that selectively terminates communication, incapacitates the crew/passengers, but then allows the a/c to fly on uncontrolled for 7 hours seems unlikely.
• Investigations of crew have begun in earnest.
• Despite the belief this is incident required human actions - we have no evidence of that. Rather - no other theory seems credible.

Mobile phones
• We know that if any mobile phones were connected to the tower - we would have a location and would search there.
• We don't have any reports or evidence of that - so I conclude that it is not viable to consider.

I've deleted the sections on incompetence and false sitings - for brevity.
IN summary what we know is.
• The a/c disappeared from secondary radar and stopped communicating. We do not know why or what happened to it.
• There is evidence from SATCOM and Radar that the a/c traveled west - then most likely north west.
• SATCOM signals show the a/c was operating till at least 8:11am Malaysia time, over 7 hrs total flight time
• We have not found it despite multiple governmental agencies from multiple countries searching hard.

What seems likely.
• A hijacking or positive intervention by human agency seems likely.
• The erratic altitude and course may indicate a struggle on board.
• While we would like to believe the a/c landed safely somewhere, that seems unlikely to have happened unobserved.


That is all.
Respectfully Submitted - rcair1

Not had time to read this thread as yet..

Hopefully this has not been posted..

Suggests maybe some 9/11 like conspiracy plot..


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/video/paper-review-missing-plane-stories-060741728.html?vp=1

Okay, new wrinkle in the mystery.  Not only did the pilot have a simulator in his home and his family leaves the home the day before he flies out...a steward from the cabin crew also has a simulator in his home.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582624/MH370-It-wasnt-just-captain-missing-Malaysian-airline-flight-simulator-similar-computer-software-home-belonging-member-cabin-crew.html

TWO crew members of mystery plane had flight simulators at home: Now steward on board the Boeing revealed to have had one as well

Police confiscate flight simulator from home of MH370 captain

Male member of cabin crew also had flight simulator at home
Authorities will be analysing flight paths used on the simulators
Captain Shah was passionate about his home-made simulator
Malaysian Airlines 777 vanished mysteriously over a week ago

Of course this doesn't mean that they did it but just another avenue to investigate.  Maybe they just love aviation enough to get involved to that degree.

Begins with a Paki ends with a stan...

Yeah.....
444
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don't ask me why I'm entertained by that...

further back in this thread i said this


Re: Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2014, 02:56:02 PM »Quote

and now this....
you know when that many folk perrish at once you can feel it..i don't think they died..
i think the gov's know exactly what happened and are working something behind the scences
what..? is anyones guess


after reading about the politics of the pilot and  that of the gov.. i think that  he was using this
plane and people as a ransom and that he left  his demands with the gov that the current
ruler, who he felt was playing dirty, would have to step down and that as soon as he does within 24 hours the plane and all will miraculously re-appear..

so there it is in writing..  only time will tell

wacky thoughts..otter out on a limb holding a saw.. ;)

i did like the comment by paki.. that they don't have any radar stop asking them about the plane and go talk to the americans...funny ha ha

I have been looking at a tribute page for Capt Zahari and It tells me that in addition to having handbuilt a seriously over the top flight simulator he also had an interest in radio controlled flying machines including 1 helicopter and a GWS R/C PBY Catalina.  (he had the nice version too wth the brushless motors..)

He does look like he is even geekier than even I managed to be with the aviation...

He's a pilot, so hes out of the house for most of the time and when he is back home he's either simulating flight or flying r/c stuff. Bet his missus loves that!

The biggest lead we have is the alledged functioning of the passengers mobile phones days after the event.

IF that is true, the mobile networks will have records of which tower they were connected to, and that gives you location to within a mile or so...

fb.

My opinion at this point is 1 of 2 things.

1) Gross incompetence of Malaysian authorities.

2) Gross deception by Malaysian authorities.

And it might just be both.

ah some back up..the tree limb gets strong..might be able to toss the saw
and no i didn't read this first..but i should have



Sunday, 16 March 2014 09:00 SHOCK POLITICAL TWIST: MH370 pilot was 'obsessed' with Anwar Ibrahim, M'sian PM may QUIT SOON
Written by Wong Choon Mei, Malaysia Chronicle

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KUALA LUMPUR - Amid intensifying calls for Prime Minister Najib Razak to step down to take responsibility for mishandling the missing flight MH370 crisis, and after days of secretly holding the doomed pilot's laptop, the Malaysian authorities have suddenly 'loosened' their lips in what appears to be a bid to draw in and tarnish Opposition Leader Anwar Ibrahim.

The 66-year-old Anwar is Najib's political arch rival, and who the day before the plane went missing on Saturday, had been convicted and jailed on sodomy charges that many have opined were manifestly trumped up by the Najib regime.

In fact when the news of the missing airplane first broke, political cynics had privately termed the tragedy as a 'Godsend' for the 60-year-old PM, who stood to face a crippling backlash from the Malay community, the country's predominant electorate, for resorting to 'political dirty tricks' to shut out another Malay leader.

However, the fire could not be contained and the MH370 tragedy may instead sound the political death knell for Najib himself. Expected to resign shortly, there is concern that Najib was trying to deflect blame and further smear his political nemesis on the way out from power.

Najib to step down soon

Over the past three days, rumors of Najib's imminent resignation had turned red-hot and political watchers from his Umno party told Malaysia Chronicle that he had been 'forced' to agree to give up his post following tremendous pressure from party seniors, and would announce his decision soon.

Meanwhile, the UK's Mail on Sunday reported the Malaysian police were investigating the possibility that the pilot of missing Flight MH370 had hijacked his own aircraft in a bizarre political protest.

Okay, another wrinkle just in.  Villagers in Northeast Malaysia saw some bright lights and loud noises around the time contact was lost.

"Investigators told a Malaysian newspaper that the Boeing 777 had dropped to a lower altitude to avoid ground radar, using the surrounding terrain as a sonar barrier."

(I think they meant radar not sonar)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2582595/Boeing-777-hijackers-plunged-5-000ft-used-low-altitude-terrain-masking-manoeuvre-practised-fighter-jets-avoid-radar-detection.html

This article brings up more information than previous articles in my opinion.  So much information (like information overload).  It has to be sorted out.  I think at this point we can say there were deliberate actions taking place to take control of the aircraft.  The motivation and who and where remain a mystery.

Question?  DO WE HAVE ANY  PILOTS ON THE FORUM...Oh yeah....duhhhhh.....John Lear...I wonder if he would give us some input from a professional.  He flew in Asia and all over the world.  It would be enlightening to hear from the man.

(I was having a major brain slippage on this one.)

Quote from: spacemaverick on March 17, 2014, 03:48:36 PM
Police confiscate flight simulator from home of MH370 captain

It's illegal to own a flight simulator?

WOW


(http://www.barco.com/~/media/Images/References/2004/STRONGEMBoeing%20737-800%20Full%20Flight%20Simulator%20forFAAs%20Mike%20Monroney%20Aeronautical%20Center%20in%20Oklahoma%20CityEMSTRONG/Simulation%20CAE%20B737-800.jpg?mh=900&mw=900)

Quote from: zorgon on March 17, 2014, 06:35:23 PM

It's illegal to own a flight simulator?

WOW

I would suspect they siezed it for forensic analysis to see what recent flight activity he was doing on the simulator.  Might be clues to what he was planning, if he was.

I've been looking into purchasing a PLB (Personal Locating Beacon) since I started Hiking along with also rekindling my interest in Mountain Biking and Running.   

The Government here have a half decent page about the very issue:

Distress Beacons

http://beacons.amsa.gov.au/distress-beacons.html


I can buy a PLB for around 360 USD. 

http://www.chsmith.com.au/Products/rescueME-PLB1.html

I presently have a wrist watch that can track my every movement via GPS SATS in ORBIT along with Software which cost me the grand sum of 150 USD as evidenced in my Hiking Thread HERE:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5978.0

Image showing what my 150 USD GPS RECIEVE wrist watch showed after uploading data receive point's it received from SATS to a well known mapping service called Google Earth.   ::)

(http://img.acianetmedia.com/i/n9Qc8.png)

Oddly I err on the side of thinking Aircraft don't get lost in this day and age.  Heck I could spend less than 1000 USD and be totally confident that someone may find me to bury me from an "Inland Taipan Snake Bite" with low level off the shelf technology  :D






 

Remember when Steve Fosset vanished?

He normally had THREE GPS tracker beacons. One built into the plane (which malfunctioned that day) one he always put on as a spare( which he 'forgot' that day) and one expensive wrist watch GPS tracker (which he neatly places on his dresser top that day)

::)

His plane was found way off course (beyond his fuel range) about a year later with a piece of ID (like the 9/11 majic passport) and a piece of shirt with a trace of blood and hair on it.


Makes ya go HMMMMMM

it was a home made simulator




Yesterday, Malaysian police searched his house in the upmarket Kuala Lumpur suburb of Shah Alam, where he had installed a home-made flight simulator. But this newspaper can reveal that investigators had already spent much of last week examining two laptops removed from Shah's home. One is believed to contain data from the simulator



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............
and now it's hitting the main news....interesting


Zaharie posted photos on Facebook showing a flight simulator outfitted with three monitors, and a pilot who had flown with him before described him as an "aviation tech geek" to NBC News.

http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/what-can-pilots-learn-flight-simulators-n54721

Yes it was, and a very comprehensive one too. He had all the stuff I have ever wished I could afford right in one room and working!

This particular case involves aspects of pretty much everything that interests me. vis a vis I am a private pilot, (sadly with zero multi engine turbine time as of yet), and occasional practicing aircraft engineer and I had a computer consultancy in the 1990's PLUS I do the radio control stuff... I THINK looking at his PBY model that he even had it fitted for FPV...

I feel like this guy is my (admittedly more accomplished) Malaysian brother...

And I want to know what has happened to him.

FB.

Malaysia are on what some would call OUR side!

Quick DSTO and Malaysia Google search prove that ;)

QuoteThe nutritional, physiological and psychological status of a group of British sappers after 23 days of adventure training in the hot wet tropics

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http://dspace.dsto.defence.gov.au/dspace/handle/1947/3343

QuoteThe study was conducted in association with Exercise Pelopor Finn (meaning "trail blazer", EX PF) an adventure training exercise conducted by a British engineer unit (25-Engineer Regiment) in Sabah, Malaysia.

SO Malay is a Friendly Country even though it's Muslim :P

Quote from: zorgon on March 17, 2014, 06:45:28 PM
Remember when Steve Fosset vanished?

He normally had THREE GPS tracker beacons. One built into the plane (which malfunctioned that day) one he always put on as a spare( which he 'forgot' that day) and one expensive wrist watch GPS tracker (which he neatly places on his dresser top that day)

::)

His plane was found way off course (beyond his fuel range) about a year later with a piece of ID (like the 9/11 majic passport) and a piece of shirt with a trace of blood and hair on it.


Makes ya go HMMMMMM

Yeah that's always been a weird case.  And it become's even weirder when one can use some of the mil tech in off the shelf product's.   :o

Quote from: sky otter on March 17, 2014, 05:34:27 PM
further back in this thread i said this


Re: Malaysia flight 370 Where is it?
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2014, 02:56:02 PM »Quote

and now this....
you know when that many folk perrish at once you can feel it..i don't think they died..
i think the gov's know exactly what happened and are working something behind the scences
what..? is anyones guess


after reading about the politics of the pilot and  that of the gov.. i think that  he was using this
plane and people as a ransom and that he left  his demands with the gov that the current
ruler, who he felt was playing dirty, would have to step down and that as soon as he does
within 24 hours the plane and all will miraculously re-appear..

so there it is in writing..  only time will tell

Maybe You've hit the nail on the head there sky .... I've been thinking the same ...

Just hope no one gets killed and all return safely but the Psychological affects sadly remain
for both passengers and relatives for the rest of their days in this Program (Earth).

Sadly both "Ugliness" and "Beauty" must coexist in this Program (Earth) for now ....
(Unique to this little Universe)

When our attitude changes in the Earth Program toward LIFE, then we move on
into the next Program ! It's Automatic ....   :)

We need to both understand and accept WHAT this Program is really about
and its True Function in the wider aspect of All ...

You and me too Fruity!

The tech you would use in Civvy Aviation is well beyond what I would use in simple activities such as hiking, running and biking.  You have to be more serious about recording your fun and adventure than what I do in terms of fun and recreation... Heck I don't have to record my fun and adventure, I do so by choice! :D

What about this Rig ?





Yes that is me in the Pilots seat ....  Flying this baby !

QuoteAustralia's greatest aviation mystery.

Frederick Valentich was a 20 year old pilot who vanished along with his light airplane, somewhere over Bass Strait one Tuesday evening in 1978. No trace has ever been recovered of pilot or aircraft. But what deepens the mystery is what Valentich reported seeing from his plane, in communications with Melbourne air traffic control just minutes before he disappeared forever. The event put Bass Strait on the world map of major UFO folklore. What on earth happened?

The late, much-celebrated ABC radio broadcaster Tony Barrell produced this eerie short feature about the Valentich disappearance, which includes a reconstruction of Valentich's final conversation with the Melbourne air traffic control tower and an interview with Valentich's brother.

QuoteMARTIN W :
15 AUG 2012 3:54:52PM

I was an Air Traffic Controller at Tullamarine at the time monitoring the radio conversation - it was eerie. I have no idea whether Frederick saw or was taken by a ufo but he certainly saw or imagined something that scared him and his fear was evident in his voice. I day I'll never forget.

Link:

http://www.abc.net.au/archives/80days/stories/2012/01/19/3411597.htm

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 17, 2014, 07:55:30 PM
What about this Rig ?

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/P1010200.JPG)

Yes that is me in the Pilots seat ....  Flying this baby !

Lawnmower jokes aside I find the pic impressive LOL   ;) 8)

AND yes i am sorry for bringing in the UFO abducted the Plane theory.. but hey it makes more sense than the official story..which oddly is non existent LOL

Have I mentioned that this plane left a contrail,
and do we know who tracks jet contrails?

Satellite data recordings, searchable by NSA.

Question: does a 777 leave a contrail?

at 45k ?
at 35lk?

at 5,7k?

Think about it...

well there are villiagers and fisherman who reported lights and a loud noise
right when the plane was signing off


can't find it now.. but it's somewhere in the articles that were linked




:(

Quote from: Somamech on March 17, 2014, 08:08:29 PM
AND yes i am sorry for bringing in the UFO abducted the Plane theory.. but hey it makes more sense than the official story..which oddly is non existent LOL

Well, as incompetent as Malaysian authorities are proving themselves to be, their official story of simply not knowing may well be legit.

Quote from: burntheships on March 17, 2014, 08:16:43 PM
Have I mentioned that this plane left a contrail,
and do we know who tracks jet contrails?

Satellite data recordings, searchable by NSA.

Question: does a 777 leave a contrail?

at 45k ?
at 35lk?

at 5,7k?

Think about it...

Thunk.  Contrail formation depends upon atmospheric conditions.  Typically it's the hot humid engine exaust hitting cold humid air, setting off the long streaming (cloud) contrail.  This is the high atmosphere contrail we see daily.

You can also form low altitude (even ground level) by the temporary reduction in pressure of the air moving over the surface of the plane, or in the center of a wake vortex. Reducing the pressure of the air means it can hold less water, so condensation occurs.

So, depending on conditions of where that plane was passing through, there may have been no contrail.

found it

if they talk to normal folk on the ground i think this will end quickly...

have they checked the places where it could have landed?...probably not



Earlier, police in Malaysia disclosed that they had nine eyewitness reports of aircraft 'noise and lights' being seen in the north-east of the country, near the border with Thailand, after the plane's last recorded sighting on civilian radar systems.

The new claims follow two earlier statements by a businessman and a fisherman that they had seen an aircraft's lights low in the sky before they disappeared.
Deputy police commander Dak Jalaluddin Abdul Rahman said the eyewitnesses had reported that they saw an aircraft - possibly the missing jet - at about the time all civilian tracking data was lost with flight MH370 in the early hours of last Saturday.
The reports, from several towns and villages in the north east, said the aircraft was seen low over the sea.

The towns included Kuala Besar, Pentai Cahaya Bulan, Pentai Senok and Penarik, all of which are on the coast of the South China Sea, which is south and west of where the plane was last seen.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578914/Nine-fresh-witnesses-place-missing-jet-near-Thailand-despite-Malaysia-military-moving-search-area-west.html#ixzz2wFqkR5Vo
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Sorry if this has been posted but this guy thinks the missing 777 could have hidden in the shadow of another 777.

http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68

@LSWONE,

That does answer one of my biggest questions about the flight path.

Keep it up folks, you all may solve this yet.  I love it...Pegasus...The Think Tank...many heads are better than one!  Right now I have covered 3000 map sectors on Tomnod which is the public crowdsourcing of satellite images for Digital Globe.  A 777's life rafts are circular and can be seen by satellite if it indeed went down in the ocean.  The only thing I don't see on these images is land.  I did see one area that was deliberately blacked out and don't know what it was.  It tells you the map sector but don't tell you where its located.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrnRC5WP1Kw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrnRC5WP1Kw&feature=player_detailpage

Interesting but......

i'm thinking australia.. if it landed.. no one is looking at land areas..just the sea..

maybe still on mayalsia somewhere...several here were picking up an M word

but there are an entire list of other questions:
but how do you keep that many from using their phones
how do you feed and care for them for this long
what do you tell them to keep them calm enough to carry this plot out


i'm thinking there is WAY more to this story

as passionate as the pilot was i don't think he was suicidal or could do this alone
so another batch of questions
how many friends did he have
or powerful folk who agreed with him enough to help




http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/experts-say-its-unlikely-not-impossible-missing-jet-landed-n54896

Experts Say It's Unlikely But Not Impossible Missing Jet Landed


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....
The southern arc stretches from Indonesia into the yawning expanse of the Indian Ocean, where radar coverage is more scarce. It brushes close to Australia, where there is vast, mostly uninhabited outback where it might be possible to land a plane.

"Probably there would be some places flat enough to put an airplane down," Waldock said. "The question is, isn't somebody going to see it? It's 200 feet long and 200 feet wide (counting wingspan). That's going to show up like a sore thumb."

....

Robert Hager, who covered aviation for NBC News for 25 years before retiring, said that even if civilian radar didn't pick up the plane, "spy satellites or radar that we don't know about" probably would have.

.......

Tom Casey, a retired American Airlines pilot who flew the Boeing 777, said that it could land and stop on a runway as short as 3,500 feet if it were coming in light on fuel, as Flight 370 would have been after flying for seven hours.

And the New York public radio station WNYC, relying on data from the aviation site X-Plane, found 634 runways of 5,000 feet or more in the countries surrounding Malaysia, including Micronesia and the far-flung Maldives.

....

"We know they flew for six or seven hours," he said. "It doesn't make any sense at all for a plane, whether it's a rogue crew or an intervention, to fly like that for seven hours and then crash and die."

An intact landing is difficult to imagine, he said, but "I think it's as likely as any scenario. ... This is the first disappearance of its kind that we know about, period."

First published March 17 2014, 2:00 PM

entire article here
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/experts-say-its-unlikely-not-impossible-missing-jet-landed-n54896

The spin doctors deconstructing reality in to fake reality are spinning wildly as the story points fingers at the pilot(s) with one having a flight simulator at home. This proves nothing and simply makes the reader curl their toes in speculations.

We know there's an authority at work here mystifying the worlds attention to yet another weird obscure event where unknown and known facts are thrown back and forth while the carnival barkers smile watching the show take a life of its own.

Like flight 93 in the 911 event supposedly landing in cleveland debarking passengers to a hanger where the story ends with that plane crashing nose down in shanksville with no bodies or discernable wreckage.

Two things seem to be at play here. The occult supernatural reaching out and taking things or space command taking people for Mars colonization via catastrophic events.

Just sayin!

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/search-mh370-spreads-north-south-5867112



http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/nz-orion-joins-australian-search-mh370-5867503



http://tvnz.co.nz/seven-sharp/vanishing-act-video-5863853


Added Link worth reading re. terrorism in Indonesia...

http://www.strategypage.com/%5Chtmw%5Chtterr%5Carticles%5C20140316.aspx

QuoteMarch 16, 2014: Indonesian counter-terror forces, led by Detachment 88,
are closing in on the last Islamic terrorist organization still active in the country.

Jus a point of Interest....

Last time I flew back from China to NZ on Christmas day 2013 We were informed
all cell phone messages were channelled through the Aircrafts Communication System ?   :)

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Quote from: zorgon on March 18, 2014, 04:37:30 AM
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That's Not as impossible as many may think .... LOL.

Most Countries, have more than 10% of missing persons reported / year, never found !

They simply disappear without a trace ...   :o

Malaysia likely to probe if missing jet flown to Pak-Afghan border:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-141445-Malaysia-likely-to-probe-if-missing-jet-flown-to-Pak-Afghan-border

It's 2746 miles from Kuala Lumpur to Karachi.  Longer if flown over the ocean...

What's this?  Looks like a fairly unused airstrip...and some hangers...

24.901961, 66.940718

https://www.google.com/maps/place/24%C2%B054'07.1%22N+66%C2%B056'26.6%22E/@24.901961,66.940718,3437m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0
Cosmo

If he wanted to down the plane he could have just put it in a nose dive. Finished in minutes. Since that did not happen and they flew for hours more, he most likely put the plane down on an abandoned runway somewhere. If the plane was taken in protest then it is most likely sitting in Malaysia or an Island with few or no people waiting it out. Maybe food was loaded on the plane prior to take off. I now think it was an inside deal all the way. I would look for an old WWII runway that has grown over but capable of landing the plane. No need to take off again. The plane is wasted. So find that runway and find the plane. Look South.
Deuem

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/china-finds-no-terror-link-its-nationals-mh370-5867112

Watch the Latter part of the Video....

First turn that diverted missing Malaysian Flight was PROGRAMMED into computer, effectively ruling out untrained passenger was responsible


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2583167/First-turn-diverted-missing-Malaysian-Flight-PROGRAMMED-computer-effectively-ruling-passenger-responsible.html

We will probably find that the flight simulator was used extensively to train for low altitude flying. 

Cosmo

Quote from: deuem on March 18, 2014, 06:58:48 AM
If he wanted to down the plane he could have just put it in a nose dive. Finished in minutes. Since that did not happen and they flew for hours more, he most likely put the plane down on an abandoned runway somewhere. If the plane was taken in protest then it is most likely sitting in Malaysia or an Island with few or no people waiting it out. Maybe food was loaded on the plane prior to take off. I now think it was an inside deal all the way. I would look for an old WWII runway that has grown over but capable of landing the plane. No need to take off again. The plane is wasted. So find that runway and find the plane. Look South.
Deuem

Deuem,

I am beginning to think you may be correct in your thinking.  In my opinion someone is trying to make a statement.  Since the Malaysian government has not really forthcoming in their information they are probably hiding something they do not want the world to know.  The only problem is when you have other countries involved with their experts...more information will become revealed.  Then all that has been said falls apart gradually.  The only way to slow it down is to come out with your information slowly and one piece at a time.  Something is very wrong here and I for one am beginning to think that this aircraft did not go into the sea. (My opinion as of right now).

Revealed: 'Fanatical' pilot is RELATED to jailed Malaysian opposition leader

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2583217/Revealed-Pilot-RELATED-jailed-Malaysian-opposition-leader-families-lost-relatives-threaten-hunger-strike.html

The 'fanatical' pilot aboard the missing Malaysia Airlines plane is related to Malaysia's jailed opposition leader, it was revealed today.

After previously denying he recognised the pliot's name, opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim admitted that Malaysia Airlines MH370 Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah is related to his son-in-law.


'I am not denying that he (Zaharie) is related to one of my in-laws and that I have met him on several occasions,' he said.

Late yesterday it emerged that the turn that diverted the missing Malaysian Airlines plane off its flight path was programmed into the aircraft's computer navigation system, probably by someone in the cockpit, the New York Times reported

Hmmmmmm....walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...maybe it's a duck....No one has popped up and taken responsibility for this.  Readings (such as they are) give no firm indication that the plain crashed nor has any floating wreckage been found. 

hey maverick  can you see any of these places from the material you are checking?

Tuesday, 18 March 2014 18:16 Zaharie's laptop a TIMEBOMB easily manipulated by unscrupulous hands: 5 landing strips found in MH370 pilot's simulator



MH370 The landing strips for airports in Diego Garcia, Maldives, Sri Lanka and India were among those found in the flight simulator programme taken from MH370 pilot Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah's home.

Berita Harian, which attributed this information to unnamed investigators, said this may lend another clue to the investigation on the whereabouts of the Malaysian Airlines aircraft, now missing for 11 days.

The source told the newspaper that such software information should prompt checks if the Boeing 777-200 with 239 passengers onboard had landed somewhere.

Among the software found in the simulator were Maldives' Male international airport, a US military-base Diego Garcia and three more 1,000 metre runways - two in India and another in Sri Lanka.

"The possibility that the aircraft landed at a unsecured runway cannot now be ruled out, other than the theory that it landed in the sea, mountains or any open ground," the source told Berita Harian.

The source added that even though acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein had denied claims that the plane landed at Diego Garcia, investigations would still be carried out based on the software discovery.

Other than the software for the flight simulator, investigators were also looking into Zaharie's flight record. Previously it was reported that the pilot with over three decades experience with MAS, had 18,365 flying hours.

Meanwhile, Sinar Harian today said that it was not unusual for a pilot to have a flight simulator at home as a hobby or for training purposes.

Commercial pilots are tested every six months using such simulators, it reported. However, such high-tech equipment were usually bought from overseas although the software can be acquired anywhere. -Malaysiakini




Full article: http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=245941:zaharies-laptop-a-timebomb-easily-manipulated-by-unscrupulous-hands-5-landing-strips-found-in-mh370-pilots-simulator&Itemid=2#ixzz2wJtzDjdw
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Hi there Sky Otter,

No, I can't see any of the places mentioned.  The satellite images by Digital Globe for those in the crowdsourcing site Tomnod have only shown water.  I did find one area that was blacked out purposely.  The areas one searches is chosen for you and only give a number usually 6 digits.  I don't believe they are coordinates though even though at first glance I thought they were.  Even if they were..I don't have the necessary maps to look.  So far I along with thousands of others have been combing through satellite images and all I have seen is water.  In some of the images you can see ships but that is about all.  If you get on the site, the map is chosen for you, you do not chose the sector...they do.

I'm currently re-watching Lost on Netflix! ;D

 New information from the Thai government bolsters the belief that missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 took a sharp westward turn after communication was lost.  Malaysia says the evidence gathered so far suggests the plane was deliberately flown off course, turning west and traveling back over the Malay Peninsula and out into the Indian Ocean.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


This would support the idea that the plane headed out into the Indian Ocean, and around the southern tip of India....and into paki.....
stan....

Flew at low altitude all the way...

The airstrip needed for that type of plane would not be easily hidden, so probably an existing airstrip and they would need facilities to hide the aircraft....like a hanger...

Cosmo

Quote from: sky otter on March 18, 2014, 01:18:18 PM
The landing strips for airports in Diego Garcia, Maldives, Sri Lanka and India were among those found in the flight simulator programme taken from MH370 pilot Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah's home.

Interesting choice of words on that article. So, the simulator had those airports, but did it have all the airports in the world?

Microsoft Flight Simulator X has more than 24,000 airports.

yeah welllll
i am thinking that this guy  was a cog in a wheel.. and this is bigger than i previously
thought..

>if it was a political protest..who besides the pilot has something to gain..
what country would benefit from the rulers being tossed..

>what assets are in this country..location or other

>where could you care for that amount of people for that amount of time
if you have ever even hosted a family gathering you know logistics involve
tons of planning
food   sanitation.   shelter    keeping them out of communication range

my conclusion is this pilot did not act alone or the plane would have been found by now
and
the us and some others do have spy satelites that would be able to answer some questions
soooooooo who isn't talking and why

http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-thailand-gives-radar-data-10-days-after-plane-lost-1.519992

Guess what?  Thailand does have information about the possibility if catching Flight 370 on its radar.  What a confused mess over there!  Confusion on purpose?

Hanlon's Razor:   Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Quote from: sky otter on March 18, 2014, 02:04:00 PM
yeah welllll
i am thinking that this guy  was a cog in a wheel.. and this is bigger than i previously
thought..

>if it was a political protest..who besides the pilot has something to gain..
what country would benefit from the rulers being tossed..

>what assets are in this country..location or other

>where could you care for that amount of people for that amount of time
if you have ever even hosted a family gathering you know logistics involve
tons of planning
food   sanitation.   shelter    keeping them out of communication range

my conclusion is this pilot did not act alone or the plane would have been found by now
and
the us and some others do have spy satelites that would be able to answer some questions
soooooooo who isn't talking and why

Yes, part of a bigger plan. 

Flight 370 took off from Kuala Lumpur at 12:41 a.m. March 8. The last satellite communication from the plane occurred at 8:11 a.m., Najib said,

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/16/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/

So it would have flown at night.  That would make it hard to spot, especially if the running lights were out...which they were.  Satellites may have been hampered by darkness.  You could fly across the ocean undetected if you stayed low enough along the coast...probably not much radar out in the ocean. 

Now, since this has obviously been planned for some time, we must also tlhink of the possibility(didn't say assume) that they already have the payload ready and refueling all worked out.  If it is launched at night, and again follows low altitude, it's possible that we may never know where it went after it was stolen....until we see it again.  The is only ONE logical target in that part of the world. 

Distance from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing...2700 miles...the same as to...Karachi...

Distance as the crow flies in miles from Tel Aviv Israel to Karachi Pakistan is 2013 miles. 

One of the nations involved in the search, Pakistan, said Sunday that the plane never showed up on its civilian radars and would have been treated as a threat if it had.

They didn't know where Bin Laden was either :P...and I think they are still a little burned by that one... :o
Motive?

Cosmo

If you take the last known position and direction and extend it,  to what does it lead you?

Quote from: Eighthman on March 18, 2014, 04:58:50 PM
If you take the last known position and direction and extend it,  to what does it lead you?

What are ye gettin at?

Amidst all the confusion and falsehood, some plots show the plane headed west and south - on a direct course for Diego Garcia, if extended

Quote from: Eighthman on March 18, 2014, 04:58:50 PM
If you take the last known position and direction and extend it,  to what does it lead you?

I could see Somalia, Sudan.

Report from maldives/india....

http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54062

near maldives or Diego Garcia

Diego Garcia has a US Military base on it with military grade radars. That plane would have been seen for sure there.

A few Maldive islanders reported a low flying jumbo jet, but that was 11 days ago.  Fishermen scour that area and nothings been seen since.

From:  http://www.haveeru.com.mv/news/54062

QuoteResidents of the remote Maldives island of Kuda Huvadhoo in Dhaal Atoll have reported seeing a "low flying jumbo jet" on the morning of the disappearance of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Whilst the disappearance of the Boeing 777 jet, carrying 239 passengers has left the whole world in bewilderment, several residents of Kuda Huvadhoo told Haveeru on Tuesday that they saw a "low flying jumbo jet" at around 6:15am on March 8.

They said that it was a white aircraft, with red stripes across it – which is what the Malaysia Airlines flights typically look like.

Eyewitnesses from the Kuda Huvadhoo concurred that the aeroplane was travelling North to South-East, towards the Southern tip of the Maldives – Addu. They also noted the incredibly loud noise that the flight made when it flew over the island.

"I've never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We've seen seaplanes, but I'm sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly," said an eyewitness.

"It's not just me either, several other residents have reported seeing the exact same thing. Some people got out of their houses to see what was causing the tremendous noise too."

Read more at link.

Heh.  I saw "island" and "M..."  Weird.

On the way to paki...
Stan

If sightings are true, then it was flying low to avoid radar.  So maybe an attempt to crash a US base or an attempt to create a false flag flying bomb, if it landed.


It's very interesting though to watch the odd behavior of authorities in this.  Are they inept or trying to hide something or both?

If the maldiveians saw this plane flying south eastern, it could have been heading to the british indian ocean territory. Look at googles of the maldives, this is the place where windows wallpaper is from with those light blue and deep blues water scenes with huts and palm trees.

Funny thing though. I scanned south from the maldives to the british indian ocean terrotory and it looks like there is a land mass there but google maps fails to show details of that land mass.

The link to see for yourself.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Island+Hideaway+at+Dhonakulhi,+Haa+Alifu+Atoll,+Upper+North+Province,+Maldives&hl=en&ll=-6.140555,72.438354&spn=3.063639,5.289917&sll=44.900771,-89.56949&sspn=8.729809,21.159668&oq=Maldives+islan&t=h&z=8

What gets me is...

with all the professional and amateur RVers out there... not ONE person can 'see' anything?

Hmmmm

::)

Quote from: zorgon on March 18, 2014, 08:01:47 PM
What gets me is...

with all the professional and amateur RVers out there... not ONE person can 'see' anything?

Hmmmm

::)

Funny you should ask.

MAJOR ED DAMES was on last night and he RV'd the situation. He says his team of professionals saw it as a hi-jack

Edit to add:

Major Ed Dames says, I am closing in on the target

This story from maldive has some plausibility to it. Looking at the google map to the island male right across from hulhule island, we see a long runway for jets to land and take off. It could be the people who saw the plane seen it taking off from hulhule airport heading southeast.

Another google map link to zoom in on the maldive locations

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Island+Hideaway+at+Dhonakulhi,+Haa+Alifu+Atoll,+Upper+North+Province,+Maldives&hl=en&ll=4.19029,73.533812&spn=0.048022,0.082655&sll=44.900771,-89.56949&sspn=8.729809,21.159668&oq=Maldives+islan&t=h&z=14&iwloc=A

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2583553/Thai-military-says-missing-flight-MH370-followed-twisting-path-Strait-Malacca.html

This shows a map which suggests to me a direction consistent with Maldives/ Diego Garcia if extended.

If any other evidence emerges of this direction, then the US should have some explaining to do as to why the Diego Garcia base failed to spot this on radar.  I understand that it would have to be almost impossibly low to avoid this.

Quote from: Gigas on March 18, 2014, 07:58:39 PM
If the maldiveians saw this plane flying south eastern, it could have been heading to the british indian ocean territory. Look at googles of the maldives, this is the place where windows wallpaper is from with those light blue and deep blues water scenes with huts and palm trees.

Funny thing though. I scanned south from the maldives to the british indian ocean terrotory and it looks like there is a land mass there but google maps fails to show details of that land mass.

The link to see for yourself.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Island+Hideaway+at+Dhonakulhi,+Haa+Alifu+Atoll,+Upper+North+Province,+Maldives&hl=en&ll=-6.140555,72.438354&spn=3.063639,5.289917&sll=44.900771,-89.56949&sspn=8.729809,21.159668&oq=Maldives+islan&t=h&z=8

Weird, Gigas.  Like some of it has been painted out...

i don't claim to be an rv'er..

but today during a walk i felt a big hole for those on the plane.. just a big black hole
nothing else
i cryed

before this afternoon i felt they were alive somewhere
now i just don't know..can't feel anything
i hope i am wrong

renewing efforts to shine a light on the plane...regardless
:(

Quote from: Amaterasu on March 18, 2014, 08:53:15 PM
Weird, Gigas.  Like some of it has been painted out...

Ran across an image taken by satellite from Digital Globe that had a portion of the grid was a totally blacked out in a square.  So some things are not for us to see.

Quote from: spacemaverick on March 18, 2014, 09:22:24 PM
Ran across an image taken by satellite from Digital Globe that had a portion of the grid was a totally blacked out in a square.  So some things are not for us to see.

Sure..

they use black squares, blurs and even clone landscape :D I have seen all three used on an area in Russia :P  Interestingly enough I had a friend in Russia who went to the site under the blur and sent me boots on the ground pictures :D

Here is another one  Can't have people looking into our nuke base in Netherlands eh?

(http://thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Nuke_Sites/Volkel_001.png)

Diego Garcia, located in the British indian ocean territory is possible for a secluded landing and final debarkation of passengers where these victims will be taken off planet for Mars colonization.

If you google zoom into diego Garcia you will not see any hangars for planes to dodge the eye in the sky. Notice the jets parked have black soot from engines on the tarmac. Almost like they sit and rev the engines in place to keep em oiled.

The google zoom in link to Diego Garcia.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Diego+Garcia,+British+Indian+Ocean+Territory&hl=en&ll=-7.314434,72.417551&spn=0.00597,0.010332&sll=44.900771,-89.56949&sspn=8.729809,21.159668&oq=diego&t=h&hnear=Diego+Garcia&z=17

I guess we'll find out when we find out. All this guessing is driving me nuts!

Interesting that Bing Maps doesn't show any airplanes. :)

http://binged.it/1kGkwPL

I'm trying to get an audio on last nights Ed Dames RV pin point but, who knows if it will surface. Ed did report this

"The airplane went down within an approximate 20 mile radius of N13 30' 00''/E97 30' 00'' "

Quote from: zorgon on March 18, 2014, 08:01:47 PM
What gets me is...

with all the professional and amateur RVers out there... not ONE person can 'see' anything?

Hmmmm

::)

That's because Remote Viewing is...
No, I'm not going to say it. :c)
But I'm thinking it, oh yes.
FB.

Quote from: Gigas on March 18, 2014, 09:45:33 PM
Diego Garcia, located in the British indian ocean territory is possible for a secluded landing and final debarkation of passengers where these victims will be taken off planet for Mars colonization.

If you google zoom into diego Garcia you will not see any hangars for planes to dodge the eye in the sky. Notice the jets parked have black soot from engines on the tarmac. Almost like they sit and rev the engines in place to keep em oiled.

The google zoom in link to Diego Garcia.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Diego+Garcia,+British+Indian+Ocean+Territory&hl=en&ll=-7.314434,72.417551&spn=0.00597,0.010332&sll=44.900771,-89.56949&sspn=8.729809,21.159668&oq=diego&t=h&hnear=Diego+Garcia&z=17

Aircraft are NOT needed to remove any Species from this planet to another Location !

Direct Transfer can take place from any place at any time to anywhere !

Only the "human species" Believes a Craft is required to transport anything, to somewhere else  ...  :)

Regarding RV...

RV is NOT really the answer !

If carried out correctly .... involves billions of different Event timelines of Futures.

The Event or Time Line being experienced, changes Dynamically so it is Impossible to decide
which timeline ("Story") will take place !

This just up fresh news about the pilot and his ties
to the jailed Malay leader.

Malaysian opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim admits MH370 pilot is in-law's relative.

"When asked on Monday whether he knew Zaharie, Anwar replied: "I don't recollect the name"


U-turn as Malaysian opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim admits MH370 pilot is in-law's relative (http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1451996/malaysian-politician-anwar-ibrahim-admits-mh370-pilot-laws-relative)

QuoteMalaysian opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim has admitted the missing plane's captain, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, is a relative of his daughter in-law, contradicting comments he made a day earlier.

"I am not denying that he [Zaharie] is related to one of my in-laws and that I have met him on several occasions," he was quoted by The Straits Times as saying.
http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1451996/malaysian-politician-anwar-ibrahim-admits-mh370-pilot-laws-relative

Makes ya go hmmmm....

i had another thought

can any of you tech guys answer this?
they are saying that the plane flew for 5+ hours because of pings to satilites
now if this pilot or who ever was so smart and had such computer access
could the computers falsefy the signal?

what if the plane did a big circle and flew around malaysia
only to land somewhere on malaysia
?

so many things can be faked anymore why not that

I believe I may have figured out the missing part of the answer.
It's to do with the two dead navy seals.

Q. Why were they killed?
A. To allow the mysterious cargo (generally reputed to be 20 tons of Au) to be modified...

The cargo space on these modern planes is at cabin pressure, so a stowaway hidden inside the cargo pallets could have been installed into the cargo hold. I believe the electronics bay is easier to access from the cargo hold, and the whole cutting of commiunications, climb to 45K could have been done by the (admittedly highly trained) stowaway, without the collusion of the pilot by accessing the avionics bay. When the guards were killed one asssumes that the weight of the stowaway and his equipment would have been lifted in gold, and I bet the whole gold cargo module went straight from ship to plane, with only a cursory inspection and weighing of the complete package..

Whaddaya think? Have I nailed it? Super gold heist? I hope I am wrong of course,  cos the now innocent crew pax don't come out of my CT very well.

You heard it here FIRST.

FB.

The question is: how are they planning to lose the jet?

Quote from: sky otter on March 19, 2014, 01:35:02 AM

i had another thought

can any of you tech guys answer this?
they are saying that the plane flew for 5+ hours because of pings to satilites
now if this pilot or who ever was so smart and had such computer access
could the computers falsefy the signal?

what if the plane did a big cicle and flew around malaysia
only to land somewhere on malaysia
?

so many things can be faked anymore why not that

I'm thinking that a consideration of where the satellite transceiver circuit is both physically and on the big circuit diagram would throw some light on how and where exactly the datalink and transponder were  shut off from. My imaginary stowaway will likely not have access to all the electronics on the aeroplane, for example. He may be able to turn off the engine diagnostic and initiate the killer climb and do a hell of a lot of of things form the aviation bay, but its well possible that the satellite transceiver  gets its power from somewhere he can't access form there. It does appear to be an "always on" thing, that runs whenever the plane is "on".

FB

Quote from: sky otter on March 19, 2014, 01:35:02 AM
they are saying that the plane flew for 5+ hours because of pings to satilites
now if this pilot or who ever was so smart and had such computer access
could the computers falsefy the signal?

I don't think so, those "pings", from what I read, are sent to more than one satellite, so by measuring the time between "pings" in different satellites they can get a rough idea of the position of the airplane at the time of the "ping".

20 tons worth about 800 million vs 1 jet at 15 million, do the math.

fruitbat
i think you have the wrong thread...unless you are purposely trying to be disruptive :'(
and deuem's answer only mysifies me more ???

do you guys know something we have missed or what?

My imaginary stowaway  

ok you modified your post.. it is now more clear what you were doing
originaly you had only copied my post

Quote from: sky otter on March 19, 2014, 01:53:45 AM

fruitbat
i think you have the wrong thread...unless you are purposely trying to be disruptive :'(
and deuem's answer only mysifies me more ???

do you guys know something we have missed or what?

I agree, sky; I do not remember anything previous about two dead Navy Seals or 20 tons of gold...

Fruitbat, care to enlighten us?


seeker

well here is yet another theory
..my brain just has question marks left...so why not..maybe it was hit by lightning ..? ?  ?


As leads hit dead-end, QUESTION MARKS dog M'sian govt claims of foul play on MH370

Written by Chris Goodfellow
Wednesday, 19 March 2014 09:00



Over the past 10 days, investigators and observers have come up with ever-more elaborate theories for what might have happened to Malaysia Airways Flight 370.

What was originally assumed to have been a tragic mid-air explosion or mechanical problem soon bloomed into a criminal investigation of a meticulously planned hijacking, commandeering, or otherwise stealing of a fully loaded commercial 777 in mid-air.

The perpetrator(s) knew the plane so well, one of the latest theories goes, that they climbed through a trap door outside the cockpit to reach circuit breakers necessary to shut down one of the communication's systems. They shut down the transponder. They made the plane disappear and fooled the world into thinking it had crashed. They flew one of two "arcs" for 7 hours — a "southern route" over the Indian Ocean on which, eventually, they crashed the plane in the ocean in a complicated suicide, and a "northern route" in which, perhaps, they slipped past land-based radar, flew to a destination in central Asia, and landed, perhaps preparing to use the plane again soon for a terrorist attack or other mission. This latter plan was executed so flawlessly, one observer theorized, that Flight 370 slipped in behind another commercial airliner for much of the route so as not to be noticed on radar.

Or maybe the plane was "cyber-hijacked."

The pilots' houses have been searched. Terrorist connections have been probed. Passenger backgrounds and possible motives have been scrutinized. And still, 10 days after the plane disappeared, we know nothing.

Perhaps that's because we're over-thinking it.

Really, have we been over-thinking it?


A few days ago, a former pilot named Chris Goodfellow articulated an entirely different theory on Google+.

This theory fits the facts.

And it's one of the most plausible yet:

> Shortly after takeoff, as Malaysia 340 was flying out over the ocean, smoke began filling the cockpit, perhaps from a tire on the front landing gear that had ignited on takeoff

> The flight's captain immediately did exactly what he had been trained to do: Find the closest airport and turn the plane toward it so he could land.

> The closest appropriate airport was called Pulau Langkawi. It had a massive 13,000-foot runway. The captain programmed the destination into the flight computer. The auto-pilot turned the plane west and put it on a course right for the runway

> The captain and co-pilot tried to find the source of the smoke and fire, but it soon filled the cockpit and overwhelmed them (a tire fire would do this). It also shorted out cockpit systems one by one, including the transponder. The pilots passed out or died.

> With no one awake to instruct the auto-pilot to land, the plane kept flying on its last programmed course... right over Pulau Langkawi and out over the Indian Ocean. Eventually, 6 or 7 hours after the incident, it ran out of fuel and crashed.

> This theory fits the facts. It makes sense. It explains the manual course change as well as the "pings" that a satellite kept hearing from the plane. It requires no fantastically brilliant pre-planning or execution or motives


MH370 A different point of view: Pulau Langkawi 13,000 foot runway

A lot of speculation about MH370. Terrorism, hijack, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN – almost disturbing. I tend to look for a more simple explanation of this event.

Loaded 777 departs midnight from Kuala to Beijing. Hot night. Heavy aircraft. About an hour out across the gulf towards Vietnam the plane goes dark meaning the transponder goes off and secondary radar tracking goes off.

Two days later we hear of reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar meaning the plane is being tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the straits of Malacca.

When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and I searched for airports in proximity to the track towards southwest.

The left turn is the key here. This was a very experienced senior Captain with 18,000 hours. Maybe some of the younger pilots interviewed on CNN didn't pick up on this left turn. We old pilots were always drilled to always know the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us and airports ahead of us. Always in our head. Always. Because if something happens you don't want to be thinking what are you going to do – you already know what you are going to do. Instinctively when I saw that left turn with a direct heading I knew he was heading for an airport. Actually he was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi a 13,000 foot strip with an approach over water at night with no obstacles. He did not turn back to Kuala Lumpur because he knew he had 8,000 foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi and also a shorter distance.

Pilot did all the right things

Take a look on Google Earth at this airport. This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport.

For me the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense if a fire. There was most likely a fire or electrical fire. In the case of fire the first response if to pull all the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one.

If they pulled the busses the plane indeed would go silent. It was probably a serious event and they simply were occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, Navigate and lastly communicate. There are two types of fires. Electrical might not be as fast and furious and there might or might not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility given the timeline that perhaps there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires and it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes this happens with underinflated tires. Remember heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. A tire fire once going would produce horrific incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks but this is a no no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter but this will only last for a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one of my own in a flight bag and I still carry one in my briefcase today when I fly).

What I think happened is that they were overcome by smoke and the plane just continued on the heading probably on George (autopilot) until either fuel exhaustion or fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. I said four days ago you will find it along that route – looking elsewhere was pointless.

This pilot, as I say, was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. No doubt in my mind. That's the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijack would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It would probably have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided on where they were taking it...  - Business Insider



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Quote from: the seeker on March 19, 2014, 02:03:42 AM
I agree, sky; I do not remember anything previous about two dead Navy Seals or 20 tons of gold...

Fruitbat, care to enlighten us?


seeker

2 words, Finger trouble. I edited my answer in as fast as I could but...
Just trying to work the problem, with you guys.
EDIT:
Oh and why in gods name would I be trying to be disruptive?
I think we all know that like any one form the cosmic token I need to be on my best behaviour here...

With the new areas to search, it is said that over 2.4 million square miles will have been searched.  Digital Globe has brought up new search areas on some land and more water on their Tomnod crowdsourcing site.  I started in what appeared to be some jungle area.

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/

So far no wreckage.  If it was in the ocean there would be floating debris from luggage and other floatable items.  Remember TWA 800 and the debris?  I don't know what happened but I am sure someone does and is not telling.  It took Thailand 10 days before they finally revealed they may have caught it on radar.  I believe there are a number of nations in the area that would not admit how weak their air defenses really are so they hold back.  Malaysia has not been forthcoming with their information freely either.  So you guess is as good as mine.  There have been eyewitnesses to low flying airliners but one thing I learned in law enforcement is that eyewitnesses are not reliable.  Different people see different things and some people just want to be part of the action.

So many experts in the aviation world with so many ideas and probably all valid but no physical evidence to speak of which leaves conjecture.  Will we ever find out?

Wish our friend John Lear could chime in here with his expertise.

Quote from: Fruitbat on March 19, 2014, 03:14:32 AM
2 words, Finger trouble. I edited my answer in as fast as I could but...
Just trying to work the problem, with you guys.

Adding links to verifiable information is always the
best idea, we are all expected to do that.

Now, as to the 2 Navy Seals what is the connection
to the Malay 370?

Yes, we have two dead Navy Seals under very very
suspicious circumstances, however the only connection
I can see here to the Malay flight is Diego Garcia.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/04/us/seychelles-maersk-deaths/

I like several others would love to hear the
what the supposed connection is, leaving
out the disinfo from Sorcha Faal.

ONE FACT remains, in spite of everything...

It puts into QUESTION just how good or NOT so good, our level of "Technology" really is ?

Are we really so "Technologically" advanced, as we are lead to believe ?   :(


In spite of our assumed "Technology", we can't even track successfully, one of our own aircraft,
on our own planet ?

What we are lead to believe regarding the level of our "Technology", and what the situation really is,
should be in Question !

IF I am wrong about this, then Something is being Hidden from not only the Public,
but other Governments as well !

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 19, 2014, 03:54:52 AM
What we are lead to believe regarding the level of our "Technology", and what the situation really is,
should be in Question !

IF I am wrong about this, then Something is being Hidden from not only the Public,
but other Governments as well !

Indeed Matrix, much is being hidden.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/03/18/Report-Indonesia-Refuses-To-Allow-Search-For-Malaysian-Plane-In-Their-Airspace

Indonesia is refusing planes access to their air space.

Reporter Rupert Wingfield-Hayes visited Malaysia's capital, Kuala Lumpur, to find out why an apparently functional fleet of planes ready to fly over the Indian Ocean in search of the missing flight were grounded. Upon arriving, Hayes was told that Indonesia is refusing to allow Malaysia to fly over their territory, citing "international bureaucracy" that required Malaysia to file for special permissions in the area. Since the planes are of a military nature, they need special permissions to hit the skies, even in case of emergency.

Such bureaucracy grounded planes in Malaysia scheduled to fly over some of the areas where the plane had been suspected of flying over. The planes represented the multinational effort to find the missing flight; search planes from Japan, South Korea, and the United States were left unattended thanks to their inability to fly over the Indonesian island of Java

Sources have also told the Telegraph that Malaysian authorities' search of the pilot's flight simulator found in his home uncovered that the pilot had practiced landing on five runways in the Indian Ocean, including one in the Maldives. Chinese news outlet Xinhua also reports today that there is evidence of Thai officials seeing a plane on their radar that sufficiently resembles Flight 370 flying near their country on the night of its disappearance, adding more speculation that a search off the coasts of Australia is ill-founded.

Quote from: burntheships on March 19, 2014, 04:04:03 AM
Indeed Matrix, much is being hidden.

Indeed things are being hidden.  Someone or some government has the capability but just not saying.  Imagine the benefit to mankind if what we or someone else has if we had access to it.  We can track all sorts of fish but lose a 777.  Really?  Wow!

yeah.. it's going to get murkier and murkier...sigh

too many theories..too many gov.....oh crap :(

1999 golfer Payne Stewart and crew took off in a Lear jet from Orlando to Texas where the pilot switched on the auto-pilot and the plane reached 39,000 feet .

A catastrophic event occurred and the cabin depressurized incapacitating everyone with death by hypoxia.

The plane flew by itself to north Dakota where it ran out a fuel and crashed, or so the story goes.

Is it possible the same event took the crew and passengers out on the mh370 and an AWACS took control of the disable plane. since its known the Boeing have that capability to be remotely controlled.

Quote from: Gigas on March 19, 2014, 04:29:03 AM
1999 golfer Payne Stewart and crew took off in a Lear jet from Orlando to Texas where the pilot switched on the auto-pilot and the plane reached 39,000 feet .

A catastrophic event occurred and the cabin depressurized incapacitating everyone with death by hypoxia.

The plane flew by itself to north Dakota where it ran out a fuel and crashed, or so the story goes.

Is it possible the same event took the crew and passengers out on the mh370 and an AWACS took control of the disable plane. since its known the Boeing have that capability to be remotely controlled.

I remember the Payne Stewart accident.  An F-16 was scrambled within 10 minutes to go up and find out what was wrong.  The pilot found the windows iced over.  They had to let it fly until it finally spiraled in.

Quote from: sky otter on March 19, 2014, 01:53:45 AM

fruitbat
i think you have the wrong thread...unless you are purposely trying to be disruptive :'(
and deuem's answer only mysifies me more ???

do you guys know something we have missed or what?

Nope, know nothing of this, just ran the math. A ton of gold is worth about 39+Million
First heard here by FB post. If his post is accurate then that is a lot of money. 800mil.

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 19, 2014, 03:54:52 AM
Are we really so "Technologically" advanced, as we are lead to believe ?   :(

I think people believe by themselves that technology will solve any problem, without any need to be lead.

The Maldives makes perfect sense and this is an excellent, close-up eyewitness account.    The direction of the course correction would take them to the Maldives and from there up the western coast of India, into Pakistan.  The low altitude is more validation of the "plan" and he flew over the ocean almost all of the way and the first 4 or 5 hours at night.   

Residents of a tiny island in the middle of the Indian Ocean say they saw a "low-flying jumbo jet'' four hours after Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 vanished from radar for the last time, according to a report Tuesday.

The residents live on the remote island of Kudahuvadhoo in Maldives — which has an international runway that was among five the plane's pilot had used for practice on his home flight simulator, according to Malaysian daily newspaper Berita Harian.

Kudahuvadhoo residents told the paper that the massive plane they saw rumbling above them at around 6:20 a.m. on March?8 had Malaysia Airlines' trademark white body and red stripes.

"I've never seen a jet flying so low over our island before," one witness said. "I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly."

http://nypost.com/2014/03/19/residents-on-remote-island-we-saw-missing-plane/

24.893907, 66.940668

Cosmo

You asked about the seals  and where I get my "information".

The seals were guarding a cargo on a maersk ship when they both died of heroin induced heart attacks.

This cargo was subsequently transferred to the airliner in question...

It could just be a co-incidence, however, my personal guess wold be that if they were (as is rumoured) guarding 20t of gold, they were murdered to prevent them from witnessing something. My Hypothesis is that some of the gold was removed and a stowaway knowledgeable about the aircraft was installed in it's place, ready to assume control drectly from within the avionics bay.

For those who wish to look into this further, I get my news reportage from "zerohedge" which is a site on the web. They seriously impressed me with their coverage  fukushambles.

I'd hoped someone would show me the error in my thinking, but no, it's the presentation that draws the opprobrium...
Sigh.

FB.

Hmm well let's see..
So far i have heard:

1) The pilot was suicidal, having just seen his great idol, the opposition leader (forgot his name) thrown into jail on sodomy charges.

2) There were several experts in 'cloaking technology' on board, and the whole plane was diverted to India or China, or possibly Vietnam, and everybody shot except the scientists.

3) Same scenario as above, but then with several RFID chip designers on board.

4) Accidentally shot down by Malay air force, and they are trying to cover it up.

5) The Iranians hijacked it / blew it up, etc. Why? No reason given, it just seemed a good idea to link the passport stories to 'terrorists' in some vague manner.

6) There was 20 tons of gold, that got nicked by persons unknown....

Doubtless there are many more scenario's, go dig, ladies & gents ;D

FB give us a link, for the lazy peeps ::) Not for me, i'm kind of busy :P

Quote from: Fruitbat on March 19, 2014, 11:46:40 AM
The seals were guarding a cargo on a maersk ship when they both died of heroin induced heart attacks.

EX-seals working for a private company, right?

QuoteThis cargo was subsequently transferred to the airliner in question...

Where can we find information on what was the cargo?
How was the cargo transferred from the Seychelles to a Malaysian aeroplane?

Too little concrete information.

Quote from: ArMaP on March 19, 2014, 01:53:06 PM
EX-seals working for a private company, right?
Where can we find information on what was the cargo?
How was the cargo transferred from the Seychelles to a Malaysian aeroplane?

Too little concrete information.

A standard US Gold bar weighs in at 27.5 pounds or 80 bars per US Ton x 20 Tons would make 1,600 bars. To get it from the ship to the plane they must have used a rainbow. Meaning why or who cares how they got it there if it got there it got there! If this is a made up idea, it is just as good as the others being made up. This plane is gone and till they find it no one will know why. Thousands of planes, ships and people have disappeared through the years with out a trace. This is the next one in that line.

Quote from: deuem on March 19, 2014, 02:17:41 PM

If this is a made up idea, it is just as good as the others being made up.

It is made up.

No gold bars as cargo with mangosteens.

;D ::)

Zero Hedge article here - NO mention of Gold Bars and
Navy Seals

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-18/did-missing-flight-mh370-land-maldives-or-diego-garcia-full-updated-summary

SO fruit bat, that information does not appear to have come
from Zero Hedge.  ::)

Pine Gap keeping secrets?

QuoteUS spy satellites monitored in Australia's heartland could provide crucial information in the investigation into the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 - but the information is being withheld.

... Malaysia's Defence Minister, Hishammuddin Hussein has requested that the US share information obtained from the Pine Gap base near Alice Springs.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/22058238/spy-satellites-in-australia-could-unlock-mh370-mystery/

Quotehe Jindalee military installation outside Alice Springs could hold the secret to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, the New Straits Times reports.

But Canberra is reportedly unwilling to disclose whether its RAAF radar was tracking the Boeing 777 as it flew.

The over-the-horizon radar is capable of tracking flights as far away as 3000km from Pine Gap, enough to track the aircraft as it flew across the South China Sea.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/03/19/17/37/australian-bases-could-be-withholding-mh370-data

(http://coolinterestingstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/pine-gap-radars.jpg)

Quote from: burntheships on March 19, 2014, 05:20:25 PM
Pine Gap keeping secrets?


(http://coolinterestingstuff.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/pine-gap-radars.jpg)

Had a friend one time told me that the technology in the black world would be 50 to 75 years ahead of what we see commercially now.  When there has been no finding the plane up to now, I had wondered to myself that someone in the black world had to know.  I still believe this.  You have been the first to really bring this out and I bet you dollars to doughnuts that you are correct.  Someone or some people know what happened in the black ops community.

Rod

Here's an interesting one.  Pakistan by way of India...

Lt. Gen. McInerney: Flight 370 Could Have Landed in Pakistan

McInerney said that according to unverified reports, the plane could have been flying in the shadow of Singapore Airlines Flight 68 over India. He said a LIGNET report says that Boeing sources believe the plane is in Pakistan.

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/03/18/lt-gen-mcinerney-flight-370-could-have-landed-pakistan

Who's on first? ???

Cosmo

BURNTHESHIPS go read some more ZH.

It's there. *edit* however it may well be buried in the comments section, which as everyone who regularly uses ZH knows are at least as valuable as the articles. Since you've impugned my credibilty a little with your comment I did nip back and pull this out of the first few comments, just so as our readers don't think that you have found me out in a lie. I don't think think the Malaysian's are sophisticated enough to put together all the logistics required to pull this off. It has all the earmarks of a US alphabet soup operation. The key is just what was the 20 tons of cargo. If it was gold bullion, then the value of the bounty outweighs the lives of 239 people and a 777... My money is on the plane sitting on the ground in the Maldives.

FB.

From Langley...

a LIGNET analyst received information from a source at Boeing that the company believes the plane did land in Pakistan . . . Israel is taking the possibility of a terrorist attack seriously by mobilizing air defenses and scrutinizing approaching civilian aircraft, according to the Times of Israel . . . a Boeing 777 requires a lengthy, 7,500-foot runway, and Pakistan has many of them, meaning Flight 370 could conceivably be hidden in a hangar inside the country . . . U.S. surveillance of the area may be able to shed light on the theory through satellite imagery or signals intelligence.

Read more: http://www.lignet.com/InBriefs/Malaysia-Hunts-for-Missing-Jet-in-Pakistan-Israel-#ixzz2wQyapHR0
All Rights Reserved LIGNET.com

Pakistan...

So maybe they trained shadowing another airplane on the simulator???

Have to admit...this one has me intrigued.

Cosmo

Freescale Semiconductor

Chinese aircraft stealth technology. Twenty employees on board. Hardware and software in the cargo hold.

That technology was stolen from us.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/562572-freescale-semiconductor-20-employees-on-board-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane/

There ya go!!!

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 19, 2014, 03:54:52 AM
ONE FACT remains, in spite of everything...

It puts into QUESTION just how good or NOT so good, our level of "Technology" really is ?

Are we really so "Technologically" advanced, as we are lead to believe ?   :(


In spite of our assumed "Technology", we can't even track successfully, one of our own aircraft,
on our own planet ?

What we are lead to believe regarding the level of our "Technology", and what the situation really is,
should be in Question !

IF I am wrong about this, then Something is being Hidden from not only the Public,
but other Governments as well !

With Hooman tech the way it is right now... it is impossible to not know where this plane is... Someone knows.

I would love to hear what John Lear has to say about this as he has the hour's in the Big Bird's and The connections :) 

   

Quote from: spacemaverick on March 19, 2014, 06:30:56 PM
Freescale Semiconductor

Chinese aircraft stealth technology. Twenty employees on board. Hardware and software in the cargo hold.

That technology was stolen from us.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/562572-freescale-semiconductor-20-employees-on-board-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane/

That is the only Terror I could see from this case due to the silence LOL

BUT and there always a BUT:

http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/homepage.jsp?code=GLOBAL_SITES

Freescale have been around for a LONG time.

And also recall some people are apparently in China divulging secret's ???

http://www.gravwave.com/chi_joint_project.htm

Last night the media here in Oz were reporting how OZ mil were looking around Perth .. Today Oz media are reporting how Malaysia are calling for help from NSA, Pine Gap and what have you ? 

This is cuckooland LOL

Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: plea to US to release Pine Gap data

QuoteKuala Lumpur: Malaysia believes data from US spy satellites monitored in Australia could help find missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 but the information is being withheld.
The country's Defence Minister Hishammuddin Hussein has specifically asked the US to share information obtained from the Pine Gap base near Alice Springs, according to the government-controlled New Straits Times newspaper.
Authorities in Kuala Lumpur believe that finding the plane now depends on the willingness of a number of countries to share potentially sensitive radar and satellite data.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-plea-to-us-to-release-pine-gap-data-20140319-hvkf2.html#ixzz2wRA5wAhZ

Quote from: Fruitbat on March 19, 2014, 06:15:19 PM
BURNTHESHIPS go read some more ZH.

It's there. *edit* however it may well be buried in the comments section, which as everyone who regularly uses ZH knows are at least as valuable as the articles.

Sometimes people can make comments that are credible,
but more often they make comments that are not credible.

Do you really believe that a Malay 777 is going to have 20 tons
of gold in the cargo? LOL!

p.s. not saying you were fibbing I was merely pointing out that
the actual ARTICLE did not have that silly info in it.

Quote from: Somamech on March 19, 2014, 07:07:11 PM
Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: plea to US to release Pine Gap data

I am really wondering about this Soma, maybe they can not
release the details, however maybe they have given some
general idea of the idications?

JORN ( Jindalee Operational Radar Network ) has two OTHR
1. near Longreach in Queensland 2. near Laverton in Western Australia
for detection of air and surface targets inside an arc of up to 3000km
from Geraldton in the west to around to Cairns in the east.

I read that the antennae were focused north about the time
that MH370 did its thing...we know they are very senstive
even about the positioning of antennae, they keep those
covered for more than one reason.

Quote from: spacemaverick on March 19, 2014, 06:30:56 PM
Freescale Semiconductor

Chinese aircraft stealth technology. Twenty employees on board. Hardware and software in the cargo hold.

That technology was stolen from us.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/562572-freescale-semiconductor-20-employees-on-board-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane/

Well the Semicon industry has it's hands in all kinds of Space and Defense projects. most of the larger Semicons have a Space/Defense group. Can you imagine the kinds of stuff the Techie/Hobbyist  guys do when they have some free time?

I bet some of these guys could whip up some really gadgets if given the time and cash. I attended a bring your kid to work event and felt left out for not bringing anything for show and tell. Nothing mind blowing but one of the Dryden guys had a really cool personal hovercraft that whooshed him around outside and it was not that loud.

well of course it had to come to this headline..i'm surprised it didn't happen sooner
i'm sure the what if's and why's will be heavy on the ground whiule everyone tosses stones at everyone else..
gee humanity at it's normal...how sad   :(

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/u-s-officials-deny-holding-back-missing-jet-n56701


US denies holding back on missing jet
Officials strongly refuted reports the US is withholding any information from Malaysia regarding the airliner.

Can't we track their phones? Your questions answered
Chaotic conference | Maldives sightings 'not true'
Flight simulator files erased | MSN Malaysia's report


U.S. Officials Deny Holding Back on Missing Jet

U.S. defense and intelligence officials strongly denied reports the United States is withholding or refusing to share any information or data with the Malaysian government regarding the missing Malaysian airliner.

Both defense and intel officials insisted the U.S. continues to share all military or intelligence data available while acknowledging there's not been much to share.

According to one senior U.S. official, "It would be absolutely stunning if we have withheld anything."

Attorney General Eric Holder, speaking at a news conference regarding the federal government's settlement with Toyota, said American authorities "are trying to offer whatever assistance that we can. But at this point, I don't think we have any theories that I could propound."

Holder said, "We will make available whatever resources that we have — whatever expertise we have that we might be able to, might be able to be used."

Defense officials confirmed that Malaysian Defense Minister Hishamumuddin Hussein called U.S. Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel on Tuesday to ask for any information being gathered by U.S. surveillance satellites and radar systems that could provide any clues regarding the missing Malaysian airliner.

U.S. officials said the Malaysian defense minister, facing a daily onslaught of questions and accusations, asked Hagel how to deal with the public backlash and demand for information. Hagel reportedly told his counterpart to be as transparent as possible, provide as much accurate information as possible in a timely manner, and try to stay ahead of the story.

— Jim Miklaszewski
First published March 19 2014, 7:38 AM

.............................................

coming back to add this.. i hope they find an answer to this..whatever it is.



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26649690

19 March 2014 Last updated at 16:48 ET


.White House says FBI 'aiding MH370 investigation'


The FBI is aiding the Malaysian government's search for a Malaysia Airlines jet missing for more than a week.

The US investigators are believed to be helping the Malaysians examine a home flight simulator belonging to one of the pilots of flight MH370 for clues.

The pilot is said to have deleted some files from the computer simulator.

Teams from 26 countries are trying to find flight MH370, which went missing on 8 March with 239 people on board.

The flight was headed from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

The FBI, through its legal office in Kuala Lumpur, "continues to engage with appropriate Malaysian authorities and provide support where necessary to the Malaysian government in their investigation of the missing aircraft," according to a statement issued on Wednesday.

The agency would not comment on the specifics of their investigation, nor what had been communicated to its investigators by Malaysian authorities.

On Wednesday, White House spokesman Jay Carney said Malaysia was also speaking to US aviation and transport accident investigation agencies.

"We are finding that the level of cooperation with the Malaysian government is solid, and we are working closely with the Malaysians as well as our other international partners in this effort to find out what happened to the plane and why it happened," he said.

A US law enforcement official told Reuters the Malaysian officials gave the FBI access to data generated by both pilots including data from a hard drive attached to the captain's flight simulator and electronic media used by a co-pilot.

But the official stressed there was no guarantee the FBI analysis would lead to further clues.

Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu said some data was deleted on 3 February from the simulator found at Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah's home and that investigators were trying to recover the deleted files.

The acting transport minister, Hishammuddin Hussein, stressed the captain should be considered innocent until proven guilty and that members of his family were co-operating with the investigation. Deleting files would not necessarily be suspicious, particularly if it were done to free up memory space.

The Malaysian authorities have said the evidence so far suggests the Boeing-777 was deliberately turned back across Malaysia to the Strait of Malacca with its communications systems disabled. They are unsure what happened next.

Investigators have identified two giant arcs of territory spanning the possible positions of the plane about seven hours after take-off.

This is based on its last faint signal to a satellite - an hourly "handshake'' broadcast even when communications are switched off. The arcs stretch up as far as Kazakhstan in central Asia and deep into the southern Indian Ocean west of Australia.

Investigators are considering the possibility of hijacking, sabotage, terrorism or issues related to the mental health of the pilots or anyone else on board.

Earlier on Wednesday, frustration with the lack of progress boiled over into chaotic scenes as Chinese relatives were dragged away from journalists in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia's capital.

They were attempting to speak to Chinese journalists outside the daily press conference.

A BBC reporter was pushed away from the relatives, who were carrying banners criticising the handling of the case.

One of the relatives, a middle-aged woman, cried: "They give different messages every day! Where's the flight now? Find our relatives! Find the aircraft!"

The Malaysian government said later it regretted the scenes and ordered an investigation, saying "one can only imagine the anguish they are going through".

Quote from: deuem on March 19, 2014, 02:17:41 PM
Meaning why or who cares how they got it there if it got there it got there!

If it was not possible for the hypothetical gold bars to get there then it means it's not true.

Maybe they used a fleet of Mini's like in 'the Italian Job' :D

20 tonnes a gold is 40 k pounds and the 777 could easily handle that.


With a maximum takeoff weight of 766,800 pounds (347,810 kilograms), the 777 Freighter has a revenue payload capability of 112 tons

http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/777family/pf/pf_freighterback.page

Diego Garcia has a port for ships to berth and if this landed there, it could unload something

Quote from: burntheships on March 19, 2014, 04:19:02 PM
It is made up.

No gold bars as cargo with mangosteens.

;D ::)

Zero Hedge article here - NO mention of Gold Bars and
Navy Seals

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-18/did-missing-flight-mh370-land-maldives-or-diego-garcia-full-updated-summary (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-18/did-missing-flight-mh370-land-maldives-or-diego-garcia-full-updated-summary)

SO fruit bat, that information does not appear to have come
from Zero Hedge.  ::)

The gold stort is not in that article but there are references to gold in others. Digging a little deeper there is a hypothetical story.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-15/missing-malaysian-flight-mystery-deepens-pilot-investigated-foul-play-suspected (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-15/missing-malaysian-flight-mystery-deepens-pilot-investigated-foul-play-suspected)
China has been buying Gold from all over the world and to ship it in by plane is not unusual.

A snipit
"Which is why instead of merely looking at the passenger manifest, perhaps it is time to look at the cargo manifest as well. Was there anything on board the plane, one serving the all-important Beijing route, that may have made the stealthy theft of the plane a sufficiently attractive risk/return proposition to the pilots?
Purely hypothetically, a 777 has a cargo hold that, in addition to passengers and baggage, can hold somewhere between 20 and 25 tons. 25 tons of gold, on a less than public Malaysia-China "official import-bypassing" route, would have a value of a little over $1 billion, four times more than the value of a new Boeing 777. So perhaps instead of robbing the cargo from the plane, some more enterprising thought would be to get the pilots in on the play, and steal the entire plane, mid-flight."

I have not found any reference to any Seals, Dead or alive.

What was in the cargo hold?, Anyone seen that list yet? That plane can hold 25 tons or more.

Crazy stuff on that site. Deuem

Quote from: ArMaP on March 19, 2014, 09:35:03 PM
If it was not possible for the hypothetical gold bars to get there then it means it's not true.

Maybe they would use a hypothetical truck. And until the real story comes out, all stories are hypothetical. We can only wait and see what the truth might be.
D

Quote from: deuem on March 20, 2014, 02:18:33 AM
And until the real story comes out, all stories are hypothetical.

Yes, but if accepting things that were not possible is a waste of time, so, if we can clear those first I think we should.

  Just because one person may think something 'impossible', does
not make it impossible.
     rubicon

Hi Deuem,

:)

Quote from: deuem on March 20, 2014, 02:11:49 AM
I have not found any reference to any Seals, Dead or alive.

What was in the cargo hold?, Anyone seen that list yet? That plane can hold 25 tons or more.

News sources report the cargo was mangosteens.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysia/article/no-hazardous-cargo-just-tonnes-of-mangosteens-on-flight-mh370-says-airlines

If MH370 was loaded with Gold no one would report that,
also there would need to be some serious, very serious
guard on that, that and it is not protocol to transport
gold on civilian flights.

Just for the record - ( not directed at any person )

QuoteA report emerged from the Russian and European Union media on Tuesday said the US had seized MH370. Quoting a statement claimed to be from the main intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) at Kremlin in Russia, media reports said Russian agencies were 'puzzled' as to why the United States Navy captured and then diverted the plane to their vast and highly secretive naval base Diego Garcia in the southern part of the Indian Ocean.

The reports said the aircraft had been diverted by the US remotely with the help of a fly-by-wire (FBW) system that replaces the conventional manual flight controls with an electronic interface allowing it to be controlled like any drone-type aircraft.

The GRU was keeping a tab on the flight as it believed that there was a 'suspicious' cargo on board, which was earlier traced to the Republic of Seychelles where it kept aboard the US-flagged container ship, the MV Maersk Alabama.

The theory goes further attacking the US government by linking this cargo with the suspicious death of two highly trained US Navy Seals -- Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, who had been allegedly protecting the cargo on board the US cargo ship. However, the deaths of Navy Seals was reported in the international media earlier. Also it adds that Moscow had alerted China's ministry of state security (MSS) about the flight carrying 'highly suspicious' cargo before the flight.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Malaysia-Airlines-mystery-Singapore-Airlines-shadow-US-suspicious-cargo-and-other-theories-keep-kins-hope-alive/articleshow/32257782.cms

If one looks up the EU Times, we find that article:

http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/russia-puzzled-over-malaysia-airlines-capture-by-us-navy/

If one follows that "source" link it it directly to Sorcha Faal.
( known disninformation artist controlled by Russia )

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1753.htm

In any case, it seems the real path  MH370 flew
is being narrowed down, maybe there is still hope.   :(

Quote from: ArMaP on March 20, 2014, 02:23:13 AM
Yes, but if accepting things that were not possible is a waste of time, so, if we can clear those first I think we should.

For myself the only thing I have accepted is that there is a plane missing. Everything else is being spoon fed when they want to. Conflicting data seems to be the norm. Without knowing what was in the cargo bay we will never know if it was gold, diamonds or toilet paper. Now I read that the planes worth new is about 250 million.

Your idea of it not being possible is your idea. How are we going to clear things that we have no control over. Wave a magic wand? At this time most likely 90% of the picture is being held back. I doubt if only one sat picked up that ping. Should have been more of them. Triangulation on cell phones that were ringing long after? Something bigger here is afoot and no one is talking. They can pinpoint the new cell phones to within a half a meter. Many calls were made that went unanswered. So all of that data is missing. If the call went through then so did the trace. Where is this info?

If you want to waste time figure out what happened there?

In our world fact is stranger than fiction, so I will wait and guess.

Deuem

Ok on the mangosteens, we eat them here all the time. So I wonder if this craft makes the mangosteen run all the time. That should be easy for them to figure out. More than half the flights at our airport are for goods.

Around here if there is an opening in the cargo hold it gets stuffed full of goods going in that direction. Goods are sent on available room. This goes for all forms of transportation. Hey I shipped my motorcycle in the bus hold. then it was filled in with next room goods. Next available room goods make them a lot of side money while other countries ship cargo holds half empty because of their rules. Rules, what rules?

I doubt if the pilot would even know what was in the cargo bay. He would just get the weight. Maybe a list but that could be changed to read anything.

Right now it is all a guess.

Deuem

well i don't know where this thread went but i am cut and pasting articles from the
malaysia-chronicle in the hope they may contain what is going on and not plots from the twilight zone
my heart aches for the families but even more for the passengers ..
what if it were someone from your family
...


pieces from a very long article..one thing this  link has is tons of photos so if you are interested in that go to the link....



.....
Speaking at a press conference this afternoon, acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said Malaysia was continuing to co-ordinate the search for the missing Boeing 777-200ER.

He added: 'I can confirm that we have received some radar data, but we are not at liberty to release information from other countries.

....

It was reported today pilot Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah had programmed a remote island in the middle of the Indian Ocean with a runway long enough to land a Boeing 777 into his home flight simulator.

A U.S. official said the Malaysian government is seeking the FBI's help in analyzing any electronic files deleted last month from the pilot's simulator.

The official, speaking anonymously, said the FBI has been provided electronic data to analyze.

CNN also reported investigators at Quantico, a Marine Corps base and home to FBI labs, were examining 'hard drives belonging to two pilots':

Malaysia's defense minister said iinvestigators were trying to restore files deleted from the simulator last month to see if they shed any light on the disappearance.

Files containing records of simulations carried out on the program were deleted February 3.


.....


Suggestions the flight may have deliberately been changed were challenged by the acting transport minister today.

In words that appeared to rubbish a Reuters report suggesting MH370 used waypoints, or navigational points, after losing contact with ground control, he said: 'I am aware of speculation that additional waypoints were added to the aircraft's flight routing. I can confirm that the aircraft flew on normal routing up until the waypoint IGARI. There is no additional waypoint on MH370's documented flight plan, which depicts normal routing all the way to Beijing.'

Investigators at the conference also rubbished reports the plane may have been sighted over the Maldives.

Some residents of Kudahuvadhoo, one of the most remote parts of the area, said they saw a low-flying aircraft on the morning the flight's disappearance. Hishammuddin Hussein said these were false.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 with 239 people aboard disappeared March 8 on a night flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

.....

Also reported today was the fact the U-turn made by the missing jet is believed to have been programmed into the on board computer before the last radio contact was made with the co-pilot.

A leading aviation expert yesterday suggested Asian military officials may be staging a mass cover-up because they do not want to expose gaping holes within their countries' air defences.

The jet went missing shortly after 1am - but it wasn't until the following Tuesday that the Malaysian Air Force reported they had spotted the aircraft on radar over the Strait of Malacca at 2.15am.

....

Writing on his blog, aviation expert David Learmount said: 'Maybe these states' air defences, like Malaysia's, are not what they are cracked up to be.

'And maybe they wouldn't want the rest of the world to know that.'

Mr Learmount, a former pilot and now operations and safety editor at the respected Flight Global publication, points out that MH370 might have flown over several Asian countries including Thailand, Burma, China, Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Turkmenistan and Afghanistan.

If it emerges that an unidentified aircraft had been able to fly over a territory undetected and unchallenged it would amount to an embarrassing security failure.

Regarding the Malaysian sighting Mr Learmount wrote: 'Clearly they had let an unidentified aircraft pass through Malaysian sovereign territory without bothering to identify it; not something they were happy to admit.

'The Malaysian government has called upon all the countries to the north-west as far as Turkmenistan and the Caspian Sea to check their primary radar records for unidentified contacts in their airspace in the seven hours after the 777 went missing.

'Depending on the actual track the aircraft followed, if it had headed approximately north-west this could include some–if not all–of the following countries: Thailand, Myanmar/Burma, China, Bangladesh, Bhutan, India, Nepal, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Turkmenistan.

'If the aircraft had gone that way, surely military primary radar in one of those countries–or several–would have picked up the signal from this unidentified aircraft, and the vigilant radar operator would have scrambled a fighter to intercept the intruder?

'Wouldn't s/he? Or maybe not. Maybe these states' air defences, like Malaysia's, are not what they are cracked up to be. And maybe they wouldn't want the rest of the world to know that.' -Daily Mail



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I would say that the only way most of these places would know if you were in their air space is if you called them. If they have active radar it is just for the airport. We used to buzz one airstrip just to clear the goats off the strip. Then come in for a landing. No one knew where we were except us and the goats. In Tialand we landed at an airport with no one there, A shack at the end of the strip. No radar, just a flight landing every Monday at 3pm. So they book the field for an hour. Very simple logic.

In the states there are so many airports that they overlap radar all the time. But get under say 500 feet and they can't see you either, unless your on approach radar or visual. In this area of the world they could fly anywhere they wanted too. And the idea that they would send up fighters is a myth in my book. It costs thousands of dollars just to get one of them up in the air. If thay did that for every druglord blip they would be broke.

Many of the elite fly what is called here blacked out planes. They don't want to pay for the flight plan and just go where they want to. A flight plan needs time up front, up to 3 days and they just don't have the time to wait. So they turn everything off and just fly where they want to. Wild west style. Mostly at night.
D

Australia PM says possible MH370 flight debris spotted in southern Indian Ocean

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott says satellite imagery has found objects possibly related to the search for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Two objects have been spotted in the Indian Ocean, Abbott told the Australian parliament.

"New and credible information has come to light in relation to the search...in the south Indian Ocean," Abbott said, according to Reuters. "The Australian Maritime Safety Authority has received information based on satellite imagery of objects possibly related to the search."

"The task of locating these objects will be extremely difficult...and it may be they do not relate to the aircraft," he added.

Abbott said a reconnaissance team is on the way to retrieve the suspected debris. An Australian P-3 Orion aircraft is due to arrive at the scene around 14:00 local time (03:00 GMT).

Abbott said he has notified Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak.

POSSIBLE SCENARIO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyaWdb1GPJM

Could there have been a depressurization?  Still does not answer why transponder was shut off.  But here is a pilot that says this may be the simple answer.

A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

What to think about this idea from a pilots view?   ???
Not a that big stretch, however in any story about 50% is based on assumptions more or less IMO.

QuoteThe left turn is the key here. Zaharie Ahmad Shah1 was a very experienced senior captain with 18,000 hours of flight time. We old pilots were drilled to know what is the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us, and airports ahead of us. They're always in our head. Always. If something happens, you don't want to be thinking about what are you going to do–you already know what you are going to do. When I saw that left turn with a direct heading, I instinctively knew he was heading for an airport. He was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles. The captain did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000-foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier toward Langkawi, which also was closer.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/ (http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/)

Still does not explain the transponder issue.  No "emergency" would explain that or the lack of communication, as in, "Plane trouble.  X has happened and an emergency landing is needed!"  Unless it was catastrophic, in which case the plane would not have been in the air hours later.

If they get a ping from the engine and this plane has 2 engines, why are they not getting 2 pings?
If it was 1 ping per hour then maybe they should ping each engine on the half hour. 4 engines every 15 minutes. And why is there not a second or third sat picking up the ping for triangulation. There is something very fishy about this entire case.
D

Two Hour's ago from ABC Oz:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-21/us-navy-assists-indian-ocean-search-for-mh370/5335600

Side Question to US Navy folkes here on Pegasus: Should this Pilot have a Patch on his Shoulder ?  (it appears to me that a Patch is removed in this pic) 

US crews are assisting in the search and rescue operations for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 south-west of Perth.

AFP: US Navy

(http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5335594-3x2-940x627.jpg)

O found that Image from this New's article from the same source:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-21/bad-weather-hampers-search-for-possible-mh370-debris/5335582

Quote from: Somamech on March 20, 2014, 05:02:21 PM
Two Hour's ago from ABC Oz:

Side Question to US Navy folkes here on Pegasus: Should this Pilot have a Patch on his Shoulder ?  (it appears to me that a Patch is removed in this pic) 

That looks to be a Malay patch there mate.
Just imo....

Pasukan Udara Tentera Darat PUTD
is the Army Aviation branch of the Malaysian Army.

I wonder what the missing patch is, good catch Soma.
:)

I'm still saying Pakistan. 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-possible-debris-from-missing-plane-spotted/


Four military planes searched the area Thursday without success but will resume later Friday morning, Australian officials said.

CBS News' Bob Orr reported Thursday that the objects spotted on the satellite images were at the extreme southern end of the projected southern search corridor, so in an area where all earlier information suggested crews might expect to find the missing jet. He said it was conceivable that the largest object was one of the Boeing 777's wings. As the flight would have been near the end of its fuel supply in reaching the area, the fuel tanks in the wings would be close to empty, giving the wings added buoyancy.

The Norwegian cargo vessel Hoegh St. Petersburg, with a Filipino crew of 20, arrived in the area and used searchlights after dark to look for debris. It will continue the search Friday, said Ingar Skiaker of Hoegh Autoliners, speaking to reporters in Oslo.

video included in the link.

Quote from: deuem on March 20, 2014, 01:47:09 PM
If it was 1 ping per hour then maybe they should ping each engine on the half hour. 4 engines every 15 minutes. And why is there not a second or third sat picking up the ping for triangulation.

From what I have read, the engine "pings" are sent to the engine manufacturer, and they probably do not have the need for more that 1 "ping" per hour or work with many satellites, but I don't really know how the system works. :)

Another interesting theory from Rense.com website.  No proof and just a theory except for the remote control idea.

Is MH370 The Latest Casualty Of
The Pentagon's Pivot To Asia?

By Yoichi Shimatsu
3-20-14

THE FOLLOWING TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE ARTICLE (NOT MY WORK)

The closer that millions of online sleuths come to tracing the trajectory and destination of the missing Malaysian Airlines jetliner, the likelier it becomes that the National Security Agency and CIA will resort to disinformation, including the planting of falsified evidence, to throw off their pursuers in what increasingly appears to be an electronic hijacking by those spy agencies.

More layers of the ongoing cover-up are being hatched now that eyewitnesses at the Huvadhu Atoll, a diving area in the southern Maldives,, have reported sightings of "a low-flying jumbo jet.: South of Huvadhu Atoll, the closest U.S. military facility is Diego Garcia in the Chagos Islands. The joint U.S. Navy submarine and Air Force facility has underground hangers huge enough to conceal B-52 bombers, a convenient hiding place for a Boeing-777.

Huvadhu is a prominent marker in the vast Indian Ocean, used as the turning point for flights into Diego Garcia. There valuable cargo - either classified documents or a human intelligence asset - can be secretly landed and reloaded on a USAF cargo jet or a Navy submarine. Countless secret and illegal "extraordinary rendition" flights were sent to Diego Garcia in the war on terror, and there is no practical reason why the same US intelligence agencies would not use it to land a civilian aircraft hijacked by remote control.

Pieces of the wreckage spotted by US ally Australia further south of Diego Garcia could be a decoy site, salted with physical evidence of airplane parts that have been moved surreptitiously. As in the unsolved mystery of Amelia Earhart, who was on an espionage mission against the Japanese forces in the South Pacific before her disappearance, there is the possibility that a hostile military force moved tantalizing evidence from the actual landing site to a more distant remote island by plane or ship.

Malaysia Targeted by Air-Sea Battle Plan

The case of a MH370 has been solely focused on the possibility of a route diversion by the on-board crew. Completely ignored in press releases and news reports so far is the elephant in the room, or perhaps a better analogy of a Great White Shark in the bathtub - the massive U.S. Navy and Air Force presence in the seas and airspace surrounding Malaysia.

There is absolutely no way that a flying object as large as a Boeing-777 could evade the 24-hour watch over the South China Sea and the Andaman Sea by NSA-USAF spy satellites, high-tech AEGIS destroyers, the new class of Littoral Combat Ships and P3 surveillance planes.

The reasons for targeting Malaysia becomes clearer by examining the bigger picture of an aggressive military build-up in the Southeast Asia region by the combined armed forces of the US, Japan and Australia under Washington's "strategic pivot to Asia" policy. This geopolitical strategy is carried out by the Pentagon and its military allies through the Air-Sea Battle Concept, which disperses Navy and Air Force fighter jets across a network of civilian airfields and secret landing strips.

Beijing is not the only target of the Air-Sea Battle Concept. Malaysia runs a close second to China on Washington's enemies list. Flight MH370, destined for Beijing, is the literal embodiment of the economic alliance and political relationship between : China and Malaysia, making the airliner a most convenient target.

Link below for rest of the article.

http://www.rense.com/general96/mh370.html

ok.. i'll play along with the above
but my elephant in the room question is


WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT


and yes you can consider that rhetorical

Sky Otter, was the question directed to me.  In this case I am merely presenting another possibility among the myriad of other possibilities.  Governments, government entities do things to suit their purposes and don't tell the people why.  With all the equipment this article says we have in the area, I think someone knows something and just won't tell.  I personally would like to see the aircraft found with all intact but I think that will not happen at this point.  Other countries in the region to include Malaysia have admitted that they have slacked in the response regarding information from the supposedly doomed flight.

I guess my main point from this story is the number of information gathering sites around the area should have been monitoring the flights and picked up something.

From Jack Arneson's portion of livingmoon.com website we see projects by Boeing, Eschelon stations in several areas in that region, ECHELON/MOUS station in Western Australia, floating and stationary X band radar available...the technology is there to track which is called signals intelligence.  Now I do know one thing...stations like this are all over the globe and there are anywhere from 6,000 to 8500 planes in the air all over the world during peak hours.  Plane goes off course, someone is going to catch it.  Here is the link to Jacks part of livingmoon.com...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/index.html#Boeing

Sorry I should have been more specific with regards to my entry. (The technology is there) (The militaries of our various allies are there)  These units gather signals intelligence from all over including air traffic, more so after 9-11.  All the information is not out there for us to see.  The only satellite pictures seen are from a civilian satellite...(1)  So what's up I ask?

Sky Otter, was the question directed to me

no of course not.. i knew it was a rense thing..

and yes it is just another in the long list of really strange ideas some folks seem to be having fun presenting

i should have just let it stand and not commented..

but i agree with you that somebody knows  and i'm just frustrated with the world at large
and can only imagine what the families are going thur

sorry maverick.. you have been  point on this  and doing a good job

Quote from: sky otter on March 21, 2014, 03:18:03 AM
somebody knows  and i'm just frustrated with the world at large
and can only imagine what the families are going thu

sky, yes I am feeling this with you here.

They have stuck a nerve.  :'(

@ Spacemav, thanks for the updates!

Just want to thank everyone for their input.  I wish we could find an answer and my heart is heavy for those who are lost or hidden.  We may find the answer if the aircraft is found or we may not.  In times like these we should put aside the petty quarrels between people and band together to fight the evil we encounter around us.  The people here at Pegasus have a good start on that by putting our minds together as thinkers and doers.  There are governments and institutions that want people to follow and not think for themselves, they don't want us to be critical thinkers and ask the hard questions.  We must keep on keeping on.

Some of the places that information has been obtained up to this point may be questionable but nevertheless we can pull out the kernels we find to be true and put together a picture that makes some sense I hope.  I will continue to look at satellite images by Digital Globe until the aircraft is found.

If anyone comes across with breaking news, please let everyone know as soon as possible.  Keeping asking the hard questions and lets see if we can find the answers as a think tank.

Warmest Regards to all....Rod...

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/australia-checking-objects-search-plane-22981640

The first plane sent Friday to fly over one of the remotest places on Earth returned empty-handed from its hunt through rough seas for objects that may be from the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, Australian officials said.

Another three planes were still in the area trying to help solve the nearly 2-week-old aviation mystery, and another was on the way to look for two large objects a satellite detected floating off the southwest coast of Australia about halfway to the desolate islands of the Antarctic.

The area in the southern Indian Ocean is so remote is takes aircraft four hours to fly there and four hours back, and leaves them only about two hours to search.

The satellite discovery raised new hope of finding the vanished jet and sent another emotional jolt to the families of the 239 people aboard.

A search Thursday with four planes in cloud and rain found nothing, and so far efforts Friday were the same, with a Royal Australian Air Force P3 Orion plane flying back to Australia.

Lets hope they can find something!

Finding Debris this late in the game is probably meaningless, even if it was positively identified as parts of the plane, it could have been placed there at this point..

The search goes on in the area where the satellite saw the debris.  Australia said that the debris could have sunk by now.  They say it could have been a container that fell off a ship.  They continue to search the area with more aircraft joining the search.  Each country is assigned a search and rescue area.  Some are going back to the reas around the Andaman Islands and up near Thailand.  China, Japan and Britain join the search. 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/22/world/asia/missing-malaysia-flight.html?_r=0

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/21/china-sends-ships-indian-ocean-as-search-for-missing-jet-debris-intensifies/

http://time.com/33133/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-australia-missing-plane/

I am beginning to make my own idea up.

If this was all planned then what they could have done is to file a flight plan for another plane from to where ever, drop down and out of sight. Fly near another runway and pop up with different transponder codes and just fly like normal from that point on. It would be easy to fake the passengers and crew. jump up to 45k, wobble around, drop the air masks and shout over the speakers that they have a problem and will return to base.

So the plane does a left hand turn to start the drill, fly's back and prepares to land. Then the pilot reports everything is fine and will now return to the original flight plan to China. When he went low he changed the codes and once in the air again he was a different plane and headed into Asia as a normal flight. Once they landed where ever, the passengers got out and figured they were not in Kansas but being held captive. The plane by now has been repainted and flown off somewhere else to do other work. The passengers are either all dead or in captivity being held for ransom. This is why it is all being kept on the QT.

A way to check this out would be to check out all the airplanes in the air that night from 1 hour plus into the flight. See if they are all normal flights or has there been a new one added, like a chartered flight and not a normal flight. If this is the case then follow the arc north. It looks political so far and with no leads coming out to the public except for a lot of searching. Someone has that plane and by now they have disabled the engine pings. So it can fly blind. If they knew when they pinged, they would have just under an hour to get it on the ground and turned off. The ping would stop.

Deuems idea..........

A very valid idea.  Given that nothing can be found floating.  The things that bothered me and made me think this was not an accident;

Deliberate left turn with no change in altitude.

Dropping down to a low altitude for a short while.

Ascending to 45,000 then dropping to 25000.

Engine pings and transponder being turned off.

Change of courses into the flight management system computer.

The fact of information still coming from aircraft after it disappeared.

This all speaks to deliberate action by a person or persons.

Out over the ocean at night, past the southern end of India,  to the Maldives, turn north and head to pakistan, all low level flying over the ocean. 

That's my theory and I'm sticking to it!  lol


Cosmo

Quote from: spacemaverick on March 21, 2014, 04:00:52 PM
The search goes on in the area where the satellite saw the debris.

There will be no debris...

ever since 9/11 plane crashes vaporize without leaving a trace

In the old days when a big plane went down luggage and other small debris was EVERYWHERE leaving no doubt   

but there was no such plane debris at the Pentagon, or at that field in Pennsylvania or at the towers save a lone passport that survived

So there will be no plane debris this time either :D

Zorgon...I am inclined to agree with you at this point.  It is getting harder to accept anything else.  I watched an hour and half of a TWO 800 documentary from whistle blowers and victims and it makes me mad and sick at the same time.

Quote from: zorgon on March 21, 2014, 08:06:41 PM
There will be no debris...

ever since 9/11 plane crashes vaporize without leaving a trace

Not the Air France 447.

At this point I believe if any debris turns up on this, it will be because it was deliberately planted there after it was scrubbed to bring closure to millions of prying eyes.

This news here might have been timely within the first 24 to 48 hours,
in other words two weeks too late and I am sure someone already knows.

Pilot made 'mystery' phone call before
MH370 left Kuala Lumpur

Quote

Authorities are probing a call made by the captain of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 just minutes before the plane took off from Kuala Lumpur.

Investigators are rushing to find out who captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah spoke to just prior to take-off
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/22089551/missing-pilots-mystery-phone-call-probed/

They are "rushing" ?

Now  things are getting more interesting.  Nice FIND BTS.

sadly the time lag will call everything they do and everything they find  suspect to tampering


NASA Ramps Up Jet Search in Distant Ocean


NASA said Friday that it will train its space eyes on an area in the southern Indian Ocean that is a new focus of the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines jet.

The U.S. space agency has been searching through data acquired by its satellites since a couple of days after the Boeing 777-200 disappeared March 8. Spokesman Allard J. Beutel said cameras aboard the Earth-Observing-1 (EO-1) satellite and the International Space Station also have been used to acquire new images of possible crash sites.

Now, Beutel said, plans are underway to train space-based assets on an area 1,500 miles southwest of Australia where two objects were seen by an Australian satellite. He did not say precisely what those assets might include but said the effort to acquire imagery would begin "within the next few days."

The area is vast — 22,000 square miles. A search by air and sea began Thursday, but the region is so distant from land that aircraft can only spend a couple of hours there before being forced to return. More aircraft and ships are expected to join the hunt over the weekend.

Beutel said the cameras used so far by NASA could identify objects about 98 feet across or larger. The largest of the objects spotted by an Australian satellite was said to be about 75 feet across.

NASA is sending the data to the U.S. Geological Survey, which runs a system for sharing such satellite information internationally in the event of a disaster.

— Julianne Pepitone

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/nasa-ramps-jet-search-distant-ocean-n59291

Well, here's a new wrinkle.  Piece by piece little things come out.

Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines finally admits to dangerous cargo four days after DENYING it

When asked days ago, he said it was carrying 'tonnes of mangosteens'
Lithium-ion batteries have caused 140 mid-air incidents in last 20 years
The devices are commonly used in mobile phones and laptops
Classed as dangerous by The International Civil Aviation Organisation

Reignites theory that missing flight may have crashed after on-board fire
Aviation expert said it re-affirm belief that flames started in cargo hold

One cargo plane crashed in 2010 after attempting an emergency landing
Safety report said battery caught fire and filled the flight deck with smoke


He said the authorities were investigating the cargo, but did not regard the batteries as hazardous - despite the law dictating they are classed as such - because they were packaged according to safety regulations.

The revelation has thrown the spotlight back on the theory that the Boeing 777 may have been overcome by a fire, rendering the crew and passengers unconscious after inhaling toxic fumes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586308/Missing-jet-WAS-carrying-highly-flammable-lithium-batteries-CEO-Malaysian-Airlines-finally-admits-dangerous-cargo.html

Okay where is the plane?  If it caught fire it has to be out there somewhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klFoyLorufI

Three minute video....focus on the terrorism points.  The other points have not panned out.

maverick

if the plane caught fire...when would it have done that?

how far can a plane on fire travel?.. 7 hours?

sounds fishy to me...not the fire but the timing

Quote from: sky otter on March 22, 2014, 03:35:57 AM

maverick

if the plane caught fire...when would it have done that?

how far can a plane on fire travel?.. 7 hours?

sounds fishy to me...not the fire but the timing

Good point! Hmmmmmm....

Quote from: sky otter on March 22, 2014, 03:35:57 AM

maverick

if the plane caught fire...when would it have done that?

how far can a plane on fire travel?.. 7 hours?

sounds fishy to me...not the fire but the timing

sky, according to a previous post about a 777 pilots' opinion, a fire in the nose wheel bay could have possibly over-whelmed the crew and passengers with toxic fumes; if the pilot did attempt to return to a landing site then blacked out while on auto pilot, the plane would cruse until it ran out of fuel; the transponder I am still on the fence about, for enough fire to disable it would leave one to surmise the plane would crash realitively quickly...


seeker

seeker
yeah i posted that way back at the beginning and  i think it's been added more than once since

but smoke in the cockpit disabling all and then or during the plane gets turned and put on auto pilot

or it already turned and then  got smoky and on auto pilot

doesn't smoke ususally go to fire?

and it was over land for part of that..wasn't it..?
wouldn't a plane on fire have been seen by someone?
how long would  it take for smoke to disable the instruments that ran the plane if all were already dead?

i do not know the answers to those  questions but think they would be logical to ask..

and if smoke disabled the controls after say two or three hours why did it keep going?

i have another question on that timeframe of flying...i ask it before.. can they be sure it did keep flying ?.. can those pings be faked or mistaken or something else?

the strange scenarios about stuff haven't answered any  question i would ask

so i hope they find something soon to either answer some of my questions or give us another set of questions to ask

if for no other reason that the families can go on with their lives ...knowing your loved one is dead is a lot  easier to deal with than wondeing  what happen to them..
well is it for me any who..



ok had another thought.. if the smoke killed everyone...wouldn't it have left a trail for the satelites to see...wouldn't someone have spotted it on some of this spy stuff..

someone knows..i'm sure

:(

I don't know the answers either, sky; but all this happened on my birthday, and I didn't feel any disturbance in the force, if you catch my drift...

my feelings are those peeps didn't die tragically(if at all)...


seeker

well happy natal return seeker ;D

and i do know what you mean.. up until a few days ago i didn't feel it either
then just a big hole...i don't have a clue what to think any more

Don't feel lonely you all.  I am totally baffled right now.  I have another theory that I have developed on my own but not sure I want to put it out in the open but here goes...What if the flight deck crew headed for Diego Garcia on a flying bomb run (using the aircraft as the bomb) but was picked up on their radar and the US had to take it out.  That island is of great importance to us strategically.  Naturally nothing could be said on the part of our government.  Just let it be a mystery and pretty soon people forget.  I know this is outlandish but we would have had to defend that base from an incoming airliner that did not have its transponder on.  I know this just adds to the theories but......

The time of night it took off people would sit back and relax and probably snooze and not be any the wiser...crazy but well....so is this incident.

How does the timing work out with the pings and the flying bomb idea. I'm sure the pings could have been altered if they wanted to be. So maybe a 911 idea to the US Island? Then why? Was the pilot under orders? Seems like a long shot that if it got out would cause oh so much trouble between China and the US. Not to mention the other countries onboard.
D

This just in!!!

20 Freescale were on that plane. Blackstone/Carlyle owns Freescale, Rothschild own that... and here we go...

SHADY Carlyle Group (Chaney/Rumsfiled/Bush etc) .

...perhaps 4 of the 5 patent (5th being Carlyle group) holders for radar technology DEAD or missing on the flight leaving CARLYLE holding all shares...

"Four days after the missing flight MH370 a patent is approved by the Patent Office, four of the five Patent holders are Chinese employees of Freescale Semiconductor of Austin TX.

Carlyle's previous heavyweight clients include the Saudi Binladin Group, the construction firm owned by the family of Osama bin Laden.

The fact that Freescale had so many highly qualified staff on board the Boeing 777 had already prompted wild conspiracy theories about what might have happened.

"Patent is divided up on 20 per cent increments to five holders.

"Peidong Wang, Suzhou, China, (20 per cent); Zhijun Chen, Suzhou, China, (20 per cent); Zhihong Cheng, Suzhou, China, (20 per cent); Li Ying, Suzhou, China, (20 per cent); Freescale Semiconductor (20 per cent).
"If a patent holder dies, then the remaining holders equally share the dividends of the deceased if not disputed in a will.

"If four of the five dies, then the remaining one Patent holder gets 100 per cent of the wealth of the patent.
"That remaining live Patent holder is Freescale Semiconductor."

It adds: "Here is your motive for the missing Beijing plane. As all four Chinese members of the Patent were passengers on the missing plane.

"Patent holders can alter the proceeds legally by passing wealth to their heirs. "However, they cannot do so until the Patent is approved. So when the plane went missing, the patent had not been approved."

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20140308005022/en/Freescale-Semiconductor-Employees-Confirmed-Passengers-Malaysia-Airlines#.Uy07R6hdW8E

Conclusive idea but what happened to the plane? Did they divert it to over the south Indian ocean and then hit it with their beam weapons from space? another 911 on the worlds hands. If China gets ahold of this, what will stop them, Fear from space? Kiss a city goodbye? The chips on the table just went up. If they used a particle beam from space then there is nothing left of the plane. Right or wrong? So it will never be proved one way or another. Another 911 mystry.
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Quote20 Freescale were on that plane

Ok, this just hit the main stream media but not the connections.

Quote
Blackstone/Carlyle owns Freescale, Rothschild

When China gets a grip on this there will be some payback. They may even start going after us here. They went after Japanese in the streets last year. If this is all true then I guess my days are numbered. There are only 2 USA people here, not hard to find us. If this turns mobish I will be picked off with ease. Thanks Bush.

Damn that Bush. What an evil genius he is. What I thought he was a dumb azz mofo that can't walk and chew gum at the same time? But then again.........oh now wait a minute ... What an evil genius... ::)

 This is the most likely reason for the disappearance of mh370. The
technology would also fall into the hands of  China's gov. and would
make this a national security issue for the U.S. However, I still feel
that the plane and passangers are in some Islamic country, being
cared for by a loving and caring Muslim group.
  rubicon

Quote from: zorgon on March 22, 2014, 07:25:21 AM


The fact that Freescale had so many highly qualified staff on board the Boeing 777 had already prompted wild conspiracy theories about what might have happened.

"Patent is divided up on 20 per cent increments to five holders.

"Peidong Wang, Suzhou, China, (20 per cent); Zhijun Chen, Suzhou, China, (20 per cent); Zhihong Cheng, Suzhou, China, (20 per cent); Li Ying, Suzhou, China, (20 per cent); Freescale Semiconductor (20 per cent).
"If a patent holder dies, then the remaining holders equally share the dividends of the deceased if not disputed in a will.

"If four of the five dies, then the remaining one Patent holder gets 100 per cent of the wealth of the patent.
"That remaining live Patent holder is Freescale Semiconductor."

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20140308005022/en/Freescale-Semiconductor-Employees-Confirmed-Passengers-Malaysia-Airlines#.Uy07R6hdW8E

However:

QuoteHowever, the absurd theory does not add up.

Although a Freescale patent does exist under number US8650327, none of the names listed actually appear on the passenger manifest released by the Malaysian authorities.

The search continues for Flight MH370 but speculation surrounding its fate grows by the day

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/465557/Malaysian-plane-20-on-board-worked-for-ELECTRONIC-WARFARE-and-radar-defence-company


Hmmmmm.....

MH370: China Satellite Sees New Possible Debris In Indian Ocean

QuoteChinese government satellite has spotted possible debris close to the remote ocean zone west of Australia where planes and ships were already searching, it was announced Saturday.

An object measuring 22 meters by 13 meters [72 feet by 42 feet] was seen by a Chinese satellite, Malaysia's transport minister told reporters at the daily news briefing .....Local reports in China said the satellite images showed the object
about 74 miles southwest of the possible debris that was revealed by Australian authorities on Thursday.
http://www.nbcnews.com/#/storyline/missing-jet/mh370-china-satellite-sees-new-possible-debris-indian-ocean-n59396

So are these people alive or dead

Peidong Wang,
Zhijun Chen,
Zhihong Cheng,
Li Ying,

all from Suzhou, China,

I think the thing is at the bottom of the Indian Ocean. Too much time has passed for the debris to be anywhere near where it went down.

Just for the record I ran the Math on the 22,500 mile sat and the number they are using, "40 degrees" is really 4 degrees. The sat has a total of 18 degrees view of the Earth at that distance. 9 on either side of straight down. So they break 9 into 90 degrees and go from there. 4 becomes 40. So it is not a true 40 degrees as I thought. They claim 10 of these sats so there has to be more pings. 1 sat does about 1/3 of the Earth the 10 are for global coverage to cover the gaps. Although 1 sat makes the handshake, the other 2 should have gotten the ping recorded and triangulated by now.

Quote from: deuem on March 22, 2014, 03:30:03 PM
So are these people alive or dead

Good question Deuem, is there a way to find out?

I am interested in any connection between the flight and the Kylin issue.  Did any of these FreeScale people have deep knowledge of Kylin and the Chinese microprocessors?

I would speculate that this issue - that China has its own OS and chips- could create nightmares for the NSA.  They have compromised US software and hardware while China has fended off hacking. Good luck in a cyber war.

i am beginning to wonder if anything being written is worth the read..?
anyhow here's another one
there was a bit about the cost somewhere else ..but i've lost it
so who is going to pay for all of this searching?
probably us taxpayers


Investigators Going Through Pilot's Phone Call
  DetailsPublished on Friday, 21 March 2014 21:38 .

SEPANG: The investigation team is going through the record call made by MH370 pilot, Capt Zaharie Ahmad Shah from the cockpit, reportedly minutes before the flight took off.

Malaysia Airlines (MAS) chief executive officer Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said the the phone call record had been submitted to the investigation team, together with information on the cargo manifest.

Explaining further on the cargo manifest, Ahmad Jauhari said the aircraft carried small batteries, but they had been approved and up to par of safety standards set by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO).

"They were not dangerous goods and had been packed as recommended by ICAO. We checked them several times to make sure the packing was right and were done in accordance of ICAO's guidelines," he told a daily media briefing on the search and rescue (SAR) operation at a hotel here, today.

Also present were Acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Tun Hussein, Department of Civil Aviation Director-General Datuk Azharuddin Abdul Rahman and the Prime Minister's special envoy to China, Tan Sri Ong Ka Ting.

Ahmad Jauhari said it was not unusual for airlines to carry such goods in the cargo, stressing that:

"The goods have been flown by many airlines cargo. Airlines do this all the time, not only MAS."

Asked whether the Boeing 777-200 (MH370) was equipped with Uninterruptible Autopilot System that can prevent hijacking manually from inside, he said: "The aircraft is equipped as standard.

There is nothing additional on the aircraft."

Meanwhile Hishammuddin said the investigation by international intelligence agencies on passengers and crews, including the pilot, Zaharie Ahmad Shah and co-pilot, Fariq Abdul Hamid came back with nothing unusual.

On the simulator found in Zaharie's house, he said: "We have forwarded the information to international parties for fast verification. The Inspector General of Police (Tan Sri Khalid Abu Bakar) might be able to comment on the latest development."

Hishammuddin said they had no information on a housewife's claim that she spotted an aircraft partly submerged in the water off Andaman Islands when returning to Kuala Lumpur after a pilgrimage to Makkah on the same day it was reported missing. 

The Beijing-bound Boeing 777-200ER aircraft disappeared about an hour after leaving the KL International Airport at 12.41 am on March 8.

The aircraft with 227 passengers and 12 crews on board was scheduled to arrive in Beijing at 6.30 am on the same day. 

A search was mounted for the aircraft in the South China Sea but the area of the search was extended to cover a large tract west of Malaysia, including the Indian Ocean.

It was learned that the aircraft had veered off course after someone deliberately switched off the communication system on board, and it flew for seven hours after that.   

The search then focused on two corridors, namely the northern corridor which stretches from the border of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan to northern Thailand, and the southern corridor, which stretches from Indonesia to southern Indian Ocean. -- BERNAMA



http://malaysiandigest.com/news/494012-investigators-going-through-pilot-s-phone-call.html



and this just jumps out at ya..doesn't it


Hishammuddin said they had no information on a housewife's claim that she spotted an aircraft partly submerged in the water off Andaman Islands when returning to Kuala Lumpur after a pilgrimage to Makkah on the same day it was reported missing. 

And the mystery continues........picture if you will.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5aW08ivHU

and this just jumps out at ya..doesn't it


Hishammuddin said they had no information on a housewife's claim that she spotted an aircraft partly submerged in the water off Andaman Islands when returning to Kuala Lumpur after a pilgrimage to Makkah on the same day it was reported missing. 


It sure makes you wonder.....

yeah don't you think someone would have followed up on that since it was on the original
scope of where the plane went?
or at least made some phone calls to whoever the gov is there..

boy talk about incompetent..this has been a mess since minute one

Some 83 aircraft have been declared "missing" since 1948, according to data compiled by the Aviation Safety Network. The list includes planes capable of carrying more than 14 passengers and where no trace — bodies or debris — has ever been found.

hey thor..can you spare a link to that.. it's a little hard to read as is

thanks

Quote from: sky otter on March 22, 2014, 07:23:33 PM
hey thor..can you spare a link to that.. it's a little hard to read as is

Just click the image or click here (http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/03-overflow/20140320_flight.png). :)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10716866/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-Finger-of-suspicion-points-at-pilots-as-Chinese-satellite-spots-debris.html


Malaysia Airlines MH370: Finger of suspicion points at pilots as Chinese satellite spots 'debris'

Data analysis rules out fire damage and intervention from passenger on vanished plane

Two weeks after the plane vanished, investigators have largely ruled out the possibility that the Malaysia Airlines flight might have suffered a fire that knocked out all communication systems and killed the pilots. The plane would then have had to fly on autopilot until it ran out of fuel and before any Mayday message could be sent.

1.  They haven't checked out that "plane in the water" comment from one lady.

2.  Backtrack from debris sighting before and now this one...match to currents...come up with other possible search areas from that.  I know they have satellites that can track currents...then use some mathematics to calculate a probable start point.

One thing that seems to have slipped the minds of many are the family of the pilot who moved out of the home the day before he took the flight and the Fiance' of the copilot.  Have they been questioned?  Where is the pilots family?  If the investigation is now focusing on the flight deck crew the first order of business should be questions for the family.  Secondly, questions for co-workers close to them and others and then friends in that order.

Lt. Gen. McInerney Says #MH370 Is In Pakistan – 'I Got A Source That Confirmed It Yesterday'


"LIGNET put out a report, substantiated yesterday, that there sources got their information from Boeing sources, which is covert. Not that they got their information from the Boeing Company because they're involved in the investigation, that the airplane was in Pakistan. That was confirmed by LIGNET on Monday and I got another source at LIGNET that confirmed it yesterday... I do believe that those people in Pakistan, in the ISI, those people who knew where Osama Bin Laden was and didn't tell us. I believe those same elements could be involved with getting that airplane into a Pakistan air force base."

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/breaking-lt-gen-mcinerney-says-mh370-in-pakistan-i-got-a-source-at-lignet-that-confirmed-it-yesterday-video/

The pilot was probably a Muslim fanatic and made a deal to deliver the plane.  That is the first, and most obvious link.  It is also obvious that the pilot disabled the transponder and made the course change.  "those people who knew where Bin Laden was"...yes those people....and he mentions a MILITARY base in Pakistan.

Pakistan...I'm sticking with that one...

Cosmo

Yes this seems to be a good case. If he did drop down and pop up with a new number then he could have flown all the way in the clear. I did try and chase this idea down but could not get into flight tracker history. I want to see if there is an un-accounted flight going this way at that time. Like a chartered flight. Just change the transponder number and all looks well again. Like a new plane flying on the right flight plan. So I am also sticking with my own idea.
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Has anyone else gone public with this Pakistan opinion?  Or is it one General who may be pushing for war with a nuke-armed Muslim nation?

Getting to Pakistan would involve an outright conspiracy by their government and military - that potentially puts them into enmity with China, the US or Israel (depending on what's done with the plane). I don't see how broke, ignorant Taliban types pull this off - as well as the pilots finding a runway in the middle of nowhere.  The simulator evidence suggests they were practicing for standard well-known landings.

Take a good hard look at the headlines on Drudge today for a clue.  Michelle Obama is visiting China and making wonderful speeches about freedom while it's announced that the NSA is spying on Huawei servers !!!

Coincidence?  Nothing in politics happens by coincidence (FDR) Either this flight ended in an accident or it concerns China.

cosmo is stuck on that location  ::)

as far as reports.. i would question everything ..especially where opinion is the major ingredient
when someone says  The pilot was probably a Muslim fanatic  
that was probably kinda tosses a big fat red flag

and they were intervieing the friends and family and doing background stuff on everyone on the plane..but i haven't seen any follow up as to what they found except they said it was all good...
another red flag..and then i found the article below..

the part i beleve on all these articles is.. they were written to fill space..the info  is questionable..

but hey..mine is  just another opinion

ok.. found this in time to modify my post..now   they are saying  something..but is it worth the print...anyone's guess?
even if they find bodies in the water..i don't think we will ever know for sure what happened..
we will only know what THEY tell us...bullpoop




Sunday, 23 March 2014 17:59
MH370 TERROR LINK? 'MYSTERY WOMAN' called pilot from mobile phone bought with FAKE ID
Written by Simon Parry


THE captain of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 received a two-minute call shortly before takeoff from a mystery woman using a mobile phone number obtained under a false identity.

It was one of the last calls made to or from the mobile of Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah in the hours before his Boeing 777 left Kuala Lumpur 16 days ago.

Investigators are treating it as potentially significant because anyone buying a pay-as-you-go SIM card in Malaysia has to fill out a form giving their identity card or passport number.


CCTV footage captures Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, pilot of the Boeing 777 flight, being frisked while walking through security at Kuala Lumpar International Airport. Source: YouTube

Introduced as an anti-terrorism measure following 9/11, this ensures that every number is registered to a traceable person.

But in this case police traced the number to a shop selling SIM cards in Kuala Lumpur. They found that it had been bought 'very recently' by someone who gave a woman's name — but was using a false identity.

many pictures of the pilot and his family and others at the link


The discovery raises fears of a possible link between Captain Zaharie, 53, and terror groups whose members routinely use untraceable SIM cards. Everyone else who spoke to the pilot on his phone in the hours before the flight took off has already been interviewed.

Investigators to question pilot's wife

In a separate development, The Mail on Sunday has learned that investigators are now poised to question Captain Shah's estranged wife in detail.

They have waited two weeks out of respect, but will now begin formally interviewing Faizah Khan following pressure from FBI agents assisting the inquiry.

Although the couple — who have three children — were separated, they had been living under the same roof. A source said: 'Faizah has been spoken to gently by officers but she has not been questioned in detail to establish her husband's behaviour and state of mind in the days leading to the incident.


This is partly for cultural reasons. It is not considered appropriate in Malaysia to subject people in situations of terrible bereavement to the stress of intensive questioning."

The softly-softly approach has been challenged by the team of FBI agents working with Malaysian police. They have pointed out that she may hold 'vital clues and information' to Zaharie's mental state.

"The whole world is looking for this missing plane and the person who arguably knows most about the state of mind of the man who captained the plane is being left alone," said a source close to the FBI team.


The source added: "If we want to eliminate the chief pilot from the inquiry, we must interview her in detail to find out what his state of mind was." The mystery caller emerged when Malaysian investigators examined the phone records of both Zaharie and his copilot, 27-year-old Fariq Abdul Hamid. Investigators were keen to trace the caller and interview them, although they have stressed that the fact the SIM card was registered to a non-existent ID card does not necessarily indicate a criminal or terrorist connection.

Political activists in Malaysia sometimes use SIM cards bought with bogus identity cards if they fear that their phones may be bugged by the country's authoritarian ruling party.


Zaharie is an avid supporter of opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim, a distant relative, and may have attended a controversial court hearing where Anwar was jailed for five years. It took place only a few hours before the flight. The timing of the call has intensified scrutiny on Zaharie as investigators struggle to establish whether the cockpit crew, a catastrophic accident or hijackers are to blame for Flight MH370's disappearance.


Meanwhile FBI experts in the US are continuing to examine the hard drive of a flight simulator seized from Zaharie's home after it emerged that programs he used on it had been deleted. Zaharie used the home flight simulator to practise extreme landings, including on remote Indian Ocean islands such as the US air base in Diego Garcia, investigators have revealed.

The hard drive was flown to the FBI laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, at the end of last week after Malaysian investigators failed to retrieve the deleted files, which they suspect may have been 'buried' in an elaborate process to cover the user's tracks.



The delay in handing the computer hard drive to the FBI has proved to be a source of friction between the Malaysian and US investigators, the source close to the FBI said, adding: 'We have the technology to do this work quickly and effectively and they simply don't.' Malaysia's acting transport minister Hishammuddin Hussein yesterday said investigators are coming under increasing pressure as they are aware that time is running out — the black box voice and data recorder only transmits an electronic signal for about 30 days before its battery runs out. But he claimed a thorough investigation of the plane's cargo manifest had not shown "any link to anything that may have contribution to the plane's disappearance". - news.com.au

Full article: http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=249022:mh370-captain-zaharie-received-call-from-mystery-woman'-using-fake-id-before-flight-takeoff&Itemid=2#ixzz2woXqlUk5
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opps..my bad..they have already said the above info is bogus...


Sunday, 23 March 2014 18:27 M'sian cops deny 'mystery woman' called Capt Zaharie report


Malaysian police tonight denied that a mystery phone call was made to Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, the pilot of the missing plane.

It was reported earlier that a mystery woman called the captain before take-off, raising fears about his motives.

The Mail Online reported that the captain's phone records revealed he took a two-minute phone call from a woman using a mobile phone number obtained under a false identity.

But Assistant Commissioner Datin Asmawati Ahmad dismissed the report as "mere speculations".

"Please be advised that the Royal Malaysia Police take no responsibility over the dissemination of such information which originates from unnamed and unverified sources. The news in the tabloid are mere speculations," Asst Comm Ahmad said in a statement.

"We would like to draw your kind attention to the fact that the news was picked up from a foreign tabloid which has no exclusive rights to the details of our investigations.

"Secondly the IGP has never issued any public statement that categorically places the MH370 investigation under an act of terrorism." - news corp australia



Full article: http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=249042:msian-cops-deny-mystery-woman-called-capt-zaharie-report&Itemid=2#ixzz2woayQcDs
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yep..hard to believe anything written so far.

Sky that was good digging.  At this point everything is suspect.  Now authorities say that it is bogus information.  I am just going to take a wild guess and say one of three scenarios happened and I could be wrong on either one or all three.  20 years of experience and law enforcement, we worked on evidence.  We always would come up with theories based on what we had as evidence.  In this case we have circumstances but no solid evidence.  We have the fact that the pilot was a heavy supporter of an opposition leader in his own country.  We have the fact that the airliner did turn around from its original course.  We have the fact that data received from the aircraft that the transponder was manually turned off.  (I am not an electronics guy so I can only go and on what told).  Eyewitness accounts from several people indicate some sort of aircraft over flew the Andaman Islands. (Normally eyewitness accounts are not totally reliable but in this case the several people had similar stories)(This can't be proven to be 370).  The simulator found in his home and the evidence found on it regarding his practice runs to certain places are suspect.  Given the pilots background naturally in the absence of incontrovertible evidence...suspicion will fall on the pilot.

This is a circumstantial case at best and with that being said I propose these possible scenarios:

1.  Pilot took control of the aircraft and diverted it to take it out over a remote part of the ocean and drove it into the sea as a Martyr taking with him 238 other souls on board.

2.  Pilot took control of aircraft and flew it to some remote location with some of his passengers being worth something to someone who wanted the 20 people working on the stealth technology.  Also remember the one person that was a steward in the cabin crew that simulator training and a home built simulator in his home.

3.  Pilot took control of aircraft to use it as a flying bomb against strategic base Diego Garcia and the US had to protect itself and down the aircraft.

Mostly circumstantial.......no physical evidence.....

The one common deal here are all those Chinese people on board and if any of these scenarios are in fact true and proven could put whoever did this deed in a bad position with the Chinese government.  Imagine the repercussions from such an act.

Now if we had some parts from the plane or the black boxes then we could verify what transpired if we were indeed given the truth from that.  (Remember TWA 800...we were not really given the truth there..my opinion).  So what do you all think based on what the current facts are?

cosmo is stuck on that location  ::)

as far as reports.. i would question everything ..especially where opinion is the major ingredient
when someone says  The pilot was probably a Muslim fanatic
that was probably kinda tosses a big fat red flag


Yep, sticking to Pakistan. 

Fanatical may fit...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581817/Doomed-airliner-pilot-political-fanatic-Hours-taking-control-flight-MH370-attended-trial-jailed-opposition-leader-sodomite.html

'Democracy is dead': 'Fanatical' missing airliner pilot pictured wearing political slogan T-shirt

Investigators speak of his 'obsessive' support for opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim
Police officers fear Ibrahim being jailed could have left Shah profoundly upset

http://patdollard.com/2014/03/explosive-revelations-mh370-pilot-was-political-fanatic-who-watched-his-muslim-brotherhood-hero-jailed-for-life-5-hours-before-takeoff/

EXPLOSIVE REVELATIONS: #MH370 Pilot Was Political Fanatic Who Eyewitnessed His Muslim Brotherhood Hero Jailed For Sodomy Hours Before Flight

In the pilot you have motive and the skills.

Cosmo

Looks like Malaysian Airline Co. or Malaysian Gov. is still trying to hide Embarrassment with "delay tactics" .....

Silly really ... because all will come to light sooner or later ...

All involves "Security"; Staff and User "Auditing" Systems !

Maden

Straits of Malacca

I'm thinking more like Cosmo. If he wanted to just kill everyone he could have driven the plane into the court building where his friend was charged. That would have been a statement. Fly it off to never, never land. The 2 don't go together very well. This plane was taken and I still think it is on the ground up North and this is what is being hidden from us. The lack of most Navy ships being sent to the search area confirms my thoughts. Ok so they send in a few planes to make the search look good. And they divert a car carrier, Oh boy, how exciting is that one,

Behind the scenes they are working with reality. It all sounds like more of a trap to get China in on the war of terror. In the Chinese news there was a letter sent to the news agency claiming the Hijack. Saying you kill one, we kill 100. They want to be free from Mom. And what is Obamas wife doing here? Did he ship her here to hand a note over? i think they know exactly where the plane is and why.

I see no reason at all for the pilot to do all of those moves and long distance flying just to dump it in the ocean. Sorry, that does not add up. That plane went somewhere under a new number and is on the ground. That would be a protest. The plane once it changed dirrection fly to known way points. What hijacker would do that? They would just fly dirrect and clear the sky in front of them.

If there was no cargo worth stealing then it was the passengers they were after and the plane. If the cargo was a gold shipment to China then there it is. Reason enough. China has been buying Gold at a mad rate and it could have slipped this in under the code name of Mangosteens. Nice golden fruit.
D

Quote from: COSMO on March 23, 2014, 08:10:03 PM
cosmo is stuck on that location  ::)
Yep, sticking to Pakistan. 

I found it !!! :D

(http://joelholub.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/3-27-8-a.jpg)

Z. You are funny.

Not had time to read all this in detail as yet...but just did a quick browse..

I am looking at some info at the moment and trying to clarify and  understand more specific what it means...so far from what I can gather it is saying or suggesting some of the following..

Is anyone aware that there are reports of a 3000 foot UFO or some sort of Huge Man made craft that was witnessed either around at the time of the disappearing plane....in the area at the time..or so I am led to believe ! or its been over Russia since the Ukraine crisis..


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=6474.msg90445;topicseen#new

i guess this is down to a joke. or et's... oh that is two jokes,,,,..so why bother.. :(

Malay PM saying it went down in Indian Ocean, all lives lost.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/?sr=google_news&google_editors_picks=true

Which may be true, but considering they still haven't found and verified wreckage, seems premature.  Then again, this fits into the gross ineptitude they've shown so far.

here ya missed this one





http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/23/neo-flight-370-another-us-conspiracy/




The "mystery" of flight 370 subjected to the analytical tools of intelligence professionals proves the existence of a multi-national, super-governmental conspiracy. This is a broad statement, seemingly even a wild assumption. It is not.

Quote from: WarToad on March 24, 2014, 02:28:30 PM
Malay PM saying it went down in Indian Ocean, all lives lost.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/24/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/?sr=google_news&google_editors_picks=true

Which may be true, but considering they still haven't found and verified wreckage, seems premature.  Then again, this fits into the gross ineptitude they've shown so far.

Premature?  I agree.  No identifiable wreckage, no black box and it took over 2 weeks to analyze satellite data for about 8 hours???
That's a hard one to buy.   

Let's see if Boeing and Lignet change their stories. 

Cosmo



 

So on Paper...

-  We got the world's Mil/Civvy's working together in some sorta form in the Southern Indian Ocean that can be of 5km Depth withing the reported location 

-  Nothing is Found as of yet

- I won't lose my marble's just yet as i don't know where they are ???





 

Quote from: WarToad on March 24, 2014, 02:28:30 PM
but considering they still haven't found and verified wreckage, seems premature.  Then again, this fits into the gross ineptitude they've shown so far.

Yes, very true.

All those satellites and yet
not one floating life vest. Hmmmm...

Quote from: sky otter on March 24, 2014, 02:47:14 PM

here ya missed this one

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/23/neo-flight-370-another-us-conspiracy/

And then there's this one:

http://earthboppin.net/talkshop/theend/messages/45575.html

rose

A translation of the above is posted here:
http://www.earthboppin.net/talkshop/wows/messages/13799.html

ah Rose.. FYI    fruity bat beat ya too it.. he post that as his scenario back a few pages

If the plane did indeed crash into the Indian Ocean,
the "black box" made by Honeywell will
transmit different signals than on land or dry.

"Black Boxes" are engineered with a seperate
beacon to transmit Ultrasonic signals when
immersed or submergerd.

So, hopefully they can find these signals,
even in their limited range, even if it
is on the bottom of the ocean the
submarine sonar receivers allow them
to home in on the source.

There is no excuse to not find the plane.

Apparently the British Royal Navy Ship
HMS Echo is on its way to the area.

(https://assets.digital.cabinet-office.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/image_data/file/4469/HMS_Echo_returns_from_19-month_deployment_2.jpg)

Echo is a support ship to submarine and amphibious operations,
through the collection of oceanographic data.

QuoteInmarsat gave ...the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) the new data on Sunday - stressing it needed to be checked before it was made public.

The firm said its latest calculation involved a large amount of data analysis, focusing on a number of factors including the movements of other aircraft.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-26720772

Still questions, why would the pilot take this route?
Why did it take so long to examine this data?

At this point I am waiting for the physical evidence of a plane crash.  All other things are conjecture.  Circumstantial evidence at best points to an issue with the flight deck crew but nothing can be proven publically.  Investigators (basic investigating procedures) is not to show your hand or reveal anything detrimental to an investigation until the incident is no longer being investigated (for legal purposes).  That being said, the public should be told as much as possible and the relatives should be told of any breaking news before anyone else receives anything.

I have heard of no verifiable evidence that the aircraft did indeed crash.  There have been aircraft that have vanished and never been found and that could be a distinct possibility in this case.  We also know that governments don't tell the populace everything they know for whatever the reasons.  All we can do is try to help the people figure it out.  I feel real bad for the relatives because almost always it is the relatives that are on the bad end of things not knowing.  I am going to keep digging.

It may be as simple as a crash and debris has not been found or as complicated as being taken somewhere for some reason we don't know as of yet.  Wish I could look into a crystal ball and find out.  I wish in some way it could be revealed to me so I could help alleviate the anguish of the relatives.   Rod

Well, here is another one you all...and the beat goes on.....

http://intellihub.com/youtube-investigator-flight-370-landed-diego-garcia-military-base-plane-passengers-put-faraday-style-hangar/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpxN1tlqDeg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpxN1tlqDeg&feature=player_embedded

Most recently Montagraph produced a video detailing the possibility that the missing Malaysian Airlines flight 370 was landed at Diego Garcia, a top-secret military base controlled by the U.S.

By Shepard Ambellas

See link above for rest of story.

And then there's this from our friend Jim Stone (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima1.html):

Conspiracy Planet - Killer Spooks - Flight 370: All Eyes On Diego Garcia (http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=94&contentid=11095&page=2)


Flight 370: All Eyes On Diego Garcia

by JIM STONE


March 17, 2014) UPDATE:

The prevailing lie now is that the pilots hijacked the plane themselves.

QUESTION: Why won't the NSA tell us where the cell phones are then, and HOW can pilots change the skin of the plane to a stealth version to make it vanish from ACTIVE radar while in flight? Really weak theory that one is.

UPDATE: Five thousand feet? Yeah, five thousand feet of lies.

The engines reported to Boeing via satellite that the plane remained flying at cruising altitude, not 5,000 feet, for at least five additional hours. The air density hitting the engines is an accurate indicator of altitude and if Boeing changed their story, they got bought.

At 5,000 feet fuel economy is so greatly reduced that the plane could not have stayed aloft for five additional hours. The low altitude radar evasion story is an easily proven fake just from the fact that a jumbo jet can't fly long at low altitude because air friction eats all the fuel.


There are numerous alternative theories now, all being pushed by either mainstream media or "mainstream alternative media" and all have major problems.

Diego Garcia remains by far the most highly probable location for flight 370. There are three big reasons why flight 370 most likely ended up there, and a few smaller ones.

The first big reason is because the Malaysian military plotted flight 370 on radar as it turned around and flew for a full hour in the direction of Diego Garcia until it disappeared from their military radars far sooner than it should have absent jamming. All the terrain mapping and flying at 5,000 feet stories are bold faced lies, the last radar blip from this plane happened at 29,500 feet and at that altitude it disappeared from military radars after previously vanishing from civilian radars at 36,000 feet.

The terrain mapping stories which are being hatched by either think tanks, liars with a motive or total idiots do not hold water. If this plane was vanished while at altitude there is absolutely nothing to support the low altitude radar evasion stories other than fantasies of having Iran be blamed for what was obviously done by the U.S. air force.

This plane not only vanished while in clear sight of civilian radars, it vanished a second time while in full sight of military radars, the plane remained within range of military radars for at least a full 300 miles after it vanished from them, simply calculating the curvature of the earth proves it and only a phase cancelling electronic warfare platform could have done that.

The second big reason for Diego Garcia to be the destination is the simple fact that it is out in the middle of nowhere and therefore taking the risk of spoofing other nation's radars would not be necessary after vanishing from Malaysia.



Diego Garcia is so isolated that it would be the equivalent of running into a 5,000 acre corn field to play hide and seek. If you have ever been into even a small corn field, you know what I mean by this. Diego Garcia is so prime for a plane kidnapping that if this obviously kidnapped plane was flown anywhere else, the people in charge of that mission should be court martialed.

The third big reason to take this plane to Diego Garcia is because there is a huge U.S. military base there and the Chinese military engineers could be quickly debriefed and re-flown out.


Neither they or this 777 are likely to be there now, though some of the other passengers were probably drugged and will be forced to work KP for the rest of their lives in their now permanent new tropical paradise with only concrete visible home.

Imagine what they would have to say on liberation day if Russia takes the place without killing them as collateral damage. Then again, they may not be there because any old abandoned mall or grain elevator will make a great CIA prison.

Smaller reasons to point the finger at Diego Garcia is the fact that as far as the MSM goes, the place is not on the map. Cute. Small world, eh?

The obviously faked 'Iranian hijacker' photos also do not bode well for alternative explanations, and probably more importantly, the fact that the Malaysian military backed down (WHY??) on saying they tracked it West, only to once again later say they did, only to have this get followed up by more B.S. about a Malaysian airline hijacking plot compliments of the Banker whipping post of Islam all the while the obvious is ignored.

HOW DID IT VANISH FROM ALL ACTIVE RADARS THAT NEED NO TRANSPONDER TO SEE PLANES WHILE THE MISSING PLANE WAS AT OR NEAR FULL CRUISING ALTITUDE, why is the MSM avoiding the key question like the plague?

ANSWER: Because only one nation on earth has both the technology to remote hijack and vanish a plane from radar, and only ONE NATION on earth also has the ability to keep the NSA's mouth shut about where all the passenger's cell phones popped up.

When all the cards are on the table, there are only two that tell the story, the fact that the plane completely vanished from the radio spectrum while at altitude, and the fact that the NSA totally shut up about where the passenger cell phones, no doubt at least 200 of them, went.

ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: Jim Stone Freelance http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/ (http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fukushima1.html)

...and the beat goes on...

Some observations here:  First, the General's comments about Pakistan are important because they expose the military-industrial complex's eagerness and willingness to lie to 'set up' other nations for yet more war. Shameful but apparently true. 

I have liked the Diego Garcia idea from the beginning but we must be cognizant of what it would mean if it is really true.  If true, then there was something or someone aboard that plane that they were desperate to seize.  Also, it would mean that conditions in the world behind the headlines are FAR more radical than what appears.  Stealing this plane would be an act of war against China and Malaysia.  If exposed, it would be enormously damaging.  So, if we pursue this hypothesis, what are they so desperate about?

Diego Garcia "Camp Justice" 7º20'S 72º25'E (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/diego-garcia.htm)

Diego Garcia is a British territory mostly populated by the US military, the British colony that's been colonised by the Americans. Normally the island is home to about 1,700 military personnel and 1,500 civilian contractors. But only about 50 troops are British. The island is used jointly by the Navy and the Air Force. Though the Navy contingent is larger, the Air Force does the flying.

Diego Garcia is a narrow tropical jungle reef in the Indian Ocean, about 1,000 miles south of the southern India coast. Despite the tropical feel to the reef, this is no Margaritaville. It's more of a stationary aircraft carrier. Diego Garcia is exclusively a military reservation located on a small host country atoll in the Chagos Archipelago.

A tropical footprint-shaped island just 7 degrees south of the equator, Diego Garcia is heavily vegetated. The island covers 6,720 acres in area with a maximum height of 22 feet and an average elevation of four feet above sea level. The shoreline is about 40 miles long and the island encloses a lagoon 6.5 miles wide and 13 miles long.


Diego Garcia History
Diego Garcia was discovered by Portuguese explorers in the early 1500s. It is the largest of fifty-two islands which form the Chagos Archipelago, located in the heart of the Indian Ocean. The island's name is believed to have come from either the ship's captain or the navigator on that early voyage of discovery.

In 1965, with the formation of the British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT), Diego Garcia was under the administrative control of the British government of the Seychelles. In 1976, the Seychelles gained independence from England and the BIOT became a self-administering territory under the East African Desk of the British Foreign Office. The Crown's representative on island, the British Representative (BRITREP), acts as both Justice of the Peace and Commanding Officer of the Royal Naval Party 1002.

In the 1960's, America's naval policy in the Indian Ocean had many ingredients. The foremost was to deter Russia from interrupting the flow of oil from the Persian Gulf countries to America and Europe. Politically, this entailed American support of Iran to counter Russian influence in Iraq. It entailed maintaining a naval presence in the Persian Gulf, and wherever possible, in the countries on the rim of the Indian Ocean, not only to secure the sea lines of communication which criss-crossed the Indian Ocean but also to inject military force from seaward when required. By 1968, the American Navy had effected the necessary adjustments in its global naval deployments.

In 1968, Britain announced its intention to withdraw from East of Suez by 1971 and generated debate on "the Vacuum in the Indian Ocean". Russia's naval presence in the Indian Ocean increased to keep pace with the American naval presence.

America felt that Russia was articulating anxiety to forestall American naval deployment. The Russians on the other hand, felt that the establishing of communication facilities in Diego Garcia and in Northwest Cape in Australia could be interpreted clearly as reflecting an intention to deploy submarines in the Indian Ocean whose ballistic missiles were targeted on Russia.

Fears of a naval vacuum in the Indian Ocean were soon overtaken by fears of the militarisation of the Indian Ocean. America neither denied nor acknowledged the deployment of submarine launched ballistic missiles. The Russian Navy started showing its flag in the Indian Ocean, partly to fill the naval vacuum, partly to counter the American Navy and partly to demonstrate to the littoral states that the Russian Navy was a force to contend with. Since Russia lacked naval bases in the Indian Ocean, an anchorage was developed off Socotra near the Gulf of Aden. Overall, there was a steady increase in the presence of American and Russian naval ships.

In 1969, American President Nixon's "Twin Pillar" strategy entrusted the security of the Persian Gulf region to the monarchies in Iran and Saudi Arabia. America started heavily arming both countries under the Nixon Doctrine. In 1970, the Russians became active in the Dhofar rebellion in Oman, which was a Persian Gulf choke-point. These moves towards militarisation of the Indian Ocean triggered countermoves to make the Indian Ocean a Zone of Peace. And both these moves and countermoves had to take into account the overall American hyper-sensitivity regarding West Asian oil supplies.

Until 1971, Diego Garcia's main source of income was from the profitable copra oil plantation. At one time, copra oil from here and the other "Oil Islands" provided fine machine oil and fuel to light European lamps. During the roughly 170 years of plantation life, coconut harvests on Diego Garcia remained fairly constant, at about four million nuts annually. The plantation years ended with the arrival of the U.S. military construction.

On 23 January 1971, a nine man advance party from NMCB-40 landed on Diego Garcia to initiate a preliminary survey for beach landing areas. Fifty additional Seabees from Amphibious Construction Battalion Two landed on the island and marked underwater obstructions, installed temporary navigational aids and cleared beach areas for landing additional personnel and materials. On 20 March 1971, an additional party of 160 Seabees from NMCB-40 arrived. Construction for U.S. Naval Communication Facility Diego Garcia was started four days later by the Seabees from NMCB-1 and finished by NMCB-62. The Seabees also started construction of an interim runway - to support the Communication Facility.

In October and November of 1971, Detachment CHAGOS of NMCB 71 and the whole of NMCB 1 arrived, marking the beginning of large-scale construction. NMCB 1 built the transmitter and receiver buildings and placed the base course for the permanent runway and parking apron. In July 1972, NMCB 62 relieved NMCB-1 and took over the departing battalion's projects. On 25 December the first C-141J transport landed on the newly completed 6,000 foot runway with the Bob Hope Christmas Troupe.

During December 1972, a Pre-commissioning Detachment arrived to prepare the Naval Communication Station for operations. On 20 March, 1973 U.S. Naval Communication Station, Diego Garcia was commissioned. The setting was sparse, but communications have been "UP" ever since. The communications facility was later changed to Naval Computer and Telecommunication Station (NCTS) in October of 1991.

Work commenced on the second construction increment, a $6.1 million project which involved the construction of a ship channel and turning basin in the lagoon. This project, however, was contracted to a Taiwanese firm. Seabees continued to work on support and personnel facilities in the cantonment area at the northern tip of the atoll. The second major area of construction was the airfield and its supporting facilities. Revised requirements called for the extension of the original 8,000-foot runway to 12,000 feet and additions were made to the parking apron and taxiways. New hangars and other support facilities were also built. During 1973 and 1974, Seabee units worked on all these projects. Because the final mission of Diego Garcia was still evolving, it was clear that still more construction would take place in the years to come.

In 1975 and 1976, Congress authorized $28.6 million to expand the Diego Garcia facilities to provide minimal logistics support for U.S. task groups operating in the Indian Ocean. Additional projects were undertaken in 1978. World events in 1979 and 1980, however, forced a reevaluation of the U.S. defense posture in the Indian Ocean area which indicated the need for pre-positioned materials to support a rapid deployment force and a more active U.S. presence in the area. It was decided to further expand the facilities at Diego Garcia in order to provide support for several pre-positioned ships, loaded with critical supplies. By the end of 1980 the Naval Facilities Engineering Command had advertised a $100 million contract for initial dredging at Diego Garcia to expand the berthing facilities.

Thus, what began as simply a communication station on a remote atoll became a major fleet and U.S. armed forces support base by the 1980s. By 1983 the only Seabee unit remaining on Diego Garcia was a detachment of NMCB 62. The work the Seabees completed on Diego Garcia since 1971 represented the largest peacetime construction effort in their history. Diego Garcia was the major Seabee construction effort of the 1970s and they acquitted themselves well under the difficult and isolated conditions that exist here. When the Seabees arrived they lived in tent camps, when they departed they left a fully-developed, modern military facility, capable of supporting thousands of U.S. personnel.

Navy Support Facility Diego Garcia was established 1 October 1977, after six years as a Navy communications station. Known as the "Footprint of Freedom," it plays a primary role in support of U.S. military units operating in the Indian Ocean and Arabian Gulf. Diego Garcia is a British Indian Ocean Territory. The island's only occupants are NSF personnel and tenants. Most of the approximately 3,500 people are third country nationals working under the large base operating support (BOS) contract. In addition to a regularly deployed VP squadron, major activities include a Naval Computer and Telecommunications Station, maritime prepositioning ships anchored in the lagoon, Military Sealift Command, and COMPSRON TWO (which controls the MSC ships). The Air Force and Army also maintain support elements on the island.

A major change to the island organizational structure occurred with the establishment of the Navy Support Facility (NSF) on October 1, 1977. Commanding Officer, NSF, assumed all duties and responsibilities previously assigned to the Island Commander. The nucleus for NSF came from the original Communication Station enlisted and officer allowances. All billets, other than those dedicated to communications support, were transferred to CO, NSF, who is responsible for maintaining and operating facilities and providing services and materials in support of several tenant shore activities and units of the operating forces. Following the overthrow of the Shah of Iran in 1979, Diego Garcia saw the most dramatic build-up of any location since the Vietnam War era. In 1986, Diego Garcia became fully operational with the completion of a $500 million construction program.

The 1990 Iraqi invasion of Kuwait marked the most intense operational period in Diego Garcia's history. From 1 August 1990 to 28 February 1991, NAVSUPPFAC Diego Garcia achieved and maintained the highest degree of operational readiness and provided levels of support which outstripped all contingency planning. As the base population doubled almost overnight, with the deployment of a Strategic Air Command Bombardment Wing and other aviation detachments, workload base-wide increased from 300-2000% over peacetime levels with no personnel augmentation. Diego Garcia became the only US Navy base that launched offensive air operations during Operation Desert Storm and Diego Garcia remains a vital link in the US defense structure.

Det 1, 13th Air Force, is responsible for operating and maintaining a Southwest Asia contingency base on Diego Garcia in support of CINCCENTCOM OPLANs. Provides facilities, munitions, vehicles, Aerospace Ground Equipment, supplies and aviation fuel to sustain deployed bomber and tanker sortie operations.

The 36th Civil Engineer Squadron sent a 24-person Prime Base Engineer Emergency Force detachment to Naval Support Facility, Diego Garcia, British Indian Ocean Territories, in June 2000. The team left Andersen seven weeks ago to complete some construction work as part of the Air Force's Bomber Forward Operating Location initiative. Members from Pacific Air Forces Headquarters and 36th CES identified five requirements for the team, including: constructing a land mobile radio repeater facility, constructing supply and maintenance secure storage rooms, repairing tent city electrical system, constructing a generator pad and testing grounding points on the south ramp.

The mission of putting bombs on target almost 4,000 miles away in Afghanistan is comparable to flying from Chicago to Rio de Janiero, Brazil. Success falls on the backs of bomber and aerial refueling aircraft that commute together from the tropics to Afghanistan. Coalition aircraft at Diego Garcia dropped more ordnance on Taliban and Al Qaeda forces in Afghanistan than any other unit during the war on terror.

Force members live in tents, which cyclones occasionally threaten to throw into the sea - or on a merchant ship that leaves residents with sea legs once they get back on shore.

The B-2 Shelters
In mid-September 2002 it was reported that the US had requested permission to build special shelters for four to six B-2 bombers at Diego Garcia. The portable climate-controlled shelters take about a month to erect. According to American Spaceframe Fabricators, the contractor that designed and constructed the B-2 Shelter System, two shelters had been constructed by late November and two additional structures would not be completed until June 2003 due to lack of existing concrete foundation.

The Island
As the United Kingdom owns the island, there are British Representatives on Diego Garcia, responsible for law and order on the island. The British Representative, or BritRep, acts as the Commanding Officer for Naval Party 1002, as well as the local magistrate and judge for all legal matters dealing with British law. Under his cognizance are the British customs personnel, Royal Overseas Police Officers (ROPOs) and a compliment of Royal Marines, who patrol and protect the entire BIOT.

Probably the place's prickliest subject is the issue of the 1,200 to 2,000 members of the Ilois, former inhabitants the British moved off the island in the late 1960s. They now live 1,200 miles away on the isle of Mauritus. As the descendants of workers who arrived on the island in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, they had lived there for several generations. But U.S. and British government texts refer to them merely as temporary workers, not indigenous inhabitants. Before those colonial workers, apparently no one ever settled there. The U.S. lease expires in 2016, and the Ilois are making plans return to turn the place into a sugarcane and fishing enterprise.

Just getting to the site is a challenge in itself - the sandy ridge has no other land within 1,000 miles with India to the north, Madagascar to the west, Indonesia to the east and nothing but Antarctica way to the south. The only way in and out is through government ships or planes.

Diego Garcia is part of the British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT) formed in 1965 from territory belonging formerly to Mauritius and the Seychelles. The island is one of 52 in the Chagos Archipelago, which extends over an area of 10,000 square miles. The archipelago is located in the heart of the Indian Ocean, south of India and between Africa and Indonesia. The tropical island is a narrow coral atoll with a land area of about eleven square miles, nearly enclosing a lagoon. Its configuration is that of a "V" drawn by a shaky hand. The island stretches 37 miles from tip to tip, with an opening to the north-northwest. Three small islands dot the mouth of the lagoon which is approximately 13 miles long and up to 6 miles wide. The lagoon is from sixty to one hundred feet deep with numerous coral heads in most areas. Shallow reefs surround the island on the ocean side, as well as in the lagoon. The island's mean height above sea level is 4 feet.

Diego Garcia is the largest of many atolls that form the Chagos Archipelago. The horseshoe- shaped atoll is located seven degrees south of the equator in the North Central Region of the Indian Ocean. It is heavily vegetated, has a land area of 6,720 acres and is 37 miles long, tip- to-tip. The maximum elevation is 22 feet, with an average elevation of four feet above sea level. The enclosed lagoon is approximately seven miles wide and thirteen miles long. The three small islands at the mouth of the lagoon and the shape of the atoll give the impression of a footprint, hence the term "Footprint of Freedom".

Annual rainfall averages 102 inches with the heaviest precipitation occurring during October to February. Humidity remains high throughout the year and temperatures are generally in the upper-80's Fahrenheit by day, falling to the mid-70's by night. The almost constant breezes keep conditions reasonably comfortable.

The atoll has been used primarily for the harvesting of coconuts from which coconut oil and copra were processed. It has also been a coal station and guano mining was carried out for a brief period.

Britain granted independence in the 1950s and 1960s to many of its former colonies in the Indian Ocean. The remaining islands were joined under the title of the British Indian Ocean Territories (BIOT), Diego Garcia being one of these islands. The British and United States Government agreements allowed the US access to part of the island to construct a communication station and subsequently a Naval Support Facility. The British do not charge the US any rent.

Diego Garcia is an unaccompanied tour area; concurrent travel of dependents is not authorized. Furnished BOQ is available upon arrival. Medical and dental facilities may be inadequate and may require treatment at distant locations. Since the BOQ is fully furnished, shipment of household goods into Diego Garcia is limited to one thousand pounds of personal items. Appliances, television, bed, and furniture is provided. EML is available to Singapore. Military flights are the only authorized flights in and out of Diego Garcia to Singapore. Commercial and military flights are available from Singapore. Facilities include a gymnasium, clubs, galley, Ship's Store, library, Post Office, Navy Federal Credit Union, Community Bank, and chapel.

This spectacular location east of equatorial Africa -- where a 30-minute bus tour can show you the entire location -- holds elements of an adventure vacationer's dream. There's tropical windsurfing and fishing for 200-pound marlin. While it's no Pebble Beach, playing the 9-hole golf course is free -- and a hoot to do with no shoes on. And the sea is so warm, snorklers can wade in and play tourist with thousands of brilliantly colored tropical fish.

Diego Garcia, the southernmost island in the Chagos Archipelago and a part of the British Indian Ocean Territory, is centrally located in the Indian Ocean. It is a narrow atoll 39 miles long that nearly encloses a lagoon 13 miles long and up to 6 miles wide. Depths in the lagoon range from 60 to 100 ft; numerous coral heads extend toward the surface and form hazards to navigation. Shallow reefs surround the island on the ocean side as well as within the lagoon. The new channel and anchorage area are dredged to 45 feet (mean low water springs), and the old turning basin can also be used if depth is sufficient for ship type.

Diego Garcia is not a typhoon haven. The surrounding topography is low and does not provide an extensive wind break. Expected winds of 60 kt or greater justify a sortie to the north of all ships in the lagoon. With expected winds around 35-40 kt, sortie is not recommended. Small harbor craft can be moored at existing pier structures and larger ships can be anchored in the lee anchorage. In the past 30 years, the island has not been seriously affected by a severe tropical cyclone even though it is threatened about once a year. The maximum sustained wind associated with a tropical cyclone in the past 30 years at Diego Garcia has been approximately 40 kt.

Quote from: sky otter on March 24, 2014, 06:09:21 PM

ah Rose.. FYI    fruity bat beat ya too it.. he post that as his scenario back a few pages

Thanks, Sky. I knew I'd seen that theory recently, couldn't remember where. I am under the impression that the cryptic poster is, or is commonly believed to be Ed Dames.  I presume he is also a source for the Veteran's Today report.  But I don't think anyone has to be an RVer in order to see what's not in front of our eyes. 

At this point, even if wreckage is found, it will prove nothing. How long does it take to disassemble a plane and distribute parts elsewhere? I think the motives and the masterminds of this event are going to be something we will be discussing for ever.

What was the agenda and who got double crossed? Who got kidnapped, had their memory wiped, or was sold or outright murdered? Hollywood is dialing up the story treatments even as we speak.

rose

 Cable news is reporting that a phone call to the Captain 2 minutes prior to take off, came from a woman,  cell phone from a store that sells sim cards,  false ID to buy the cell phone/sim card.

Link when it hits web.

http://sofrep.com/34084/alright-goodnight-malaysia-want-know-happened-flight-mh-370/

While I like the Diego Garcia idea, I have to admit this theory seems credible.

A bit of background on this South Seas Paradise Island...

Diego Garcia, Swept Clean & Sanitized | Deanna Spingola (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/Diego_Garcia.htm)

- by Deanna Spingola ©, 16 October 2007

The indigenous population of Diego Garcia was considered expendable by the Power Elite who routinely seize prime real estate, either for resources or location - inhabited or not. Dispassionate depopulation and genocidal slaughter are standard procedures. "What if you and your family were thrown out of your home, put on a ship, dumped on docks somewhere, destitute? How would you like it?"

That's the question that journalist John Pilger justifiably posed to Bill Rammell, the Foreign Office minister responsible for the Chagos Archipelago, a group of sixty-five predominantly uninhabited islands in the Indian Ocean.

Some islands, however, were populated. In the mid 1700's a few French colonialists settled on an isolated island in the Indian Ocean and built coconut plantations for the production of oil. Labor was supplied by slaves abducted from various regions in Africa - Madagascar, Senegal and Mozambique. Names and ancestry were undocumented - slaves have always been considered property, not human beings. Other inhabitants were Creole, descendants of French colonials and their slaves. Additionally, a few Tamils from southern India were taken to the Chagos Islands. From about 1760, several generations of Chagos islanders established a shared heritage, created a unique identity, and spoke a common language. "They became the indigenous people of the Chagos Archipelago."

The main island in the Chagos Archipelago, an atoll, Diego Garcia, was discovered by Portuguese explorers in the early 16th century. Diego Garcia is strategically located almost exactly midway between Africa and Asia, about 1,000 miles from the southern India coast. Diego Garcia, an Equatorial paradise, has a large protected natural harbor and experiences no serious tropical storms. Islanders owned their own boats; they lived in shingled and thatched cottages; they fished, gardened, had beloved pets and raised live stock. There were villages, a school, a church, a prison, and a railway. It was, to the islanders, a peaceful, natural, beautiful paradise.

The Chagos Islands, including Diego Garcia was part of the island nation of Mauritius, a British colony, situated off the coast of Africa in the southwest Indian Ocean, about 560 miles east of Madagascar.

U.S. interest in the Chagos Islands began in 1961. Rear Admiral Grantham of the US Navy was charged with finding a suitable island site for a military base that would give Washington domination in the Indian Ocean - this ultimately led to the establishment of one of the biggest military bases outside of the United States. The Pentagon later referred to it as an "indispensable platform" for policing the world.

Since 2001, Diego Garcia is one of the destinations for CIA rendition flights and is the location of one of the CIA's secret prisons program.

This has been confirmed by a U.S. general and the Council of Europe, a human rights watchdog. On November 3, 2000, the Foreign Office issued a new Immigration Ordinance order that ensured Diego Garcia island would remain "as secret a place as can be found on the planet," according to a US official.

As a follow up, over the course of the next three years, Grantham's group visited two islands - Aldabra and Diego Garcia. Due to environmentalist concerns raised by the Smithsonian over the Giant Land Tortoise, nesting sea birds and flightless birds they "settled" for Diego Garcia. In February 1964, a clandestine Anglo-American meeting was held in London to devise the best approach for seizing the island. But Diego Garcia was part of Mauritius which the U.S. had no interest in.

Based on the agreements reached in that secret meeting, Britain informally granted Mauritius independence on November 8, 1965 and officially on March 12, 1968, on the condition that they relinquish, for 3 million pounds, complete control of the islands, particularly Diego Garcia.

As part of the scheme, the British government then established a new colony consisting of the Chagos Islands, called the British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT). This would facilitate clearing the island of the indigenous population.

This conditional independence was against U.N. Resolution 1514. Condemnations from the United Nations regarding the dismembering of the Mauritian Territory were ignored (U.N. Resolution 2066). In December 1966, Britain signed an agreement with the U.S.A. giving the largest of the islands, Diego Garcia, to the Pentagon on a 50 year extendable lease for use as a military base.

In return for the projected depopulation of Diego Garcia and its exclusion from the British colony, London allegedly received a generous $14 million discount on the purchase of a Polaris nuclear weapons system, made in the U.S.

"Britain had managed to conceal the $14 million it was paid for the fifty-year lease on the islands by persuading the Americans to disguise the cost as a discount on the research and development charges for a new generation of Polaris nuclear missiles then being sold to the Royal Navy."

Two U.S. administrations and the Labour government of Harold Wilson contrived, during the 1960s, to "sweep" and "sanitize" the islands (the exact words used in American documents). "Files found in the National Archives in Washington and the Public Record Office in London provides an astonishing narrative of official lying."


Governments habitually lie!

In 1966, to accommodate the un-peopling of the island the British Foreign Office falsely claimed that the indigenous islanders were actually temporary contract workers who could be "returned" to Mauritius and the Seychelles, 1,000 miles away. Records would have to be altered to "convert all the existing residents into short term, temporary residents."

Sir Paul Gore-Booth, permanent under-secretary at the Foreign Office stated in August 1966: "We must surely be very tough about this. The object of the exercise was to get some rocks that will remain ours. There will be no indigenous population except seagulls." Another British official, under the heading: Maintaining the Fiction, urged his colleagues to reclassify the islanders as "a floating population" and to "make up the rules as we go along."

The indigenous Chagos Islanders, about 2000 individuals who were technically British subjects, "were never consulted or informed of any of these administrative changes. Nor were they aware that once a U.S. military base was established on Diego Garcia their presence would no longer be tolerated on any of the 65 islands."

The U.S. Congress authorized the building of the base in December 1970.

In November 1965 and again in 1971, ordinances were written, without parliamentary consultation, "which made it illegal for anyone to come to the islands ever again -or, indeed, to be there in the first place - without a permit." Violations would result in deportation and incarceration while awaiting deportation.

Up until March 1971, Diego Garcia's main source of income was from the profitable copra oil plantation. "At one time, copra oil from here and the other 'Oil Islands' provided fine machine oil and fuel to light European lamps." During the approximately 170 years of plantation life, coconut harvests on Diego Garcia remained fairly constant - about four million nuts annually. The plantation years, along with the jobs and economic security, ended with the arrival of the U.S. military construction. Britain had purchased the copra companies and immediately closed them down.

Because Washington didn't want a "population problem," British officials devised "the complete sterilization of the archipelago." They withdrew crucial services and blocked supply ships carrying food and medicine to Diego Garcia are turned back. Individuals who temporarily left the island for urgent medical or other legitimate reasons were not permitted to return. The intimidating British began to "return" those alleged "transient laborers" to Mauritius. The Americans had arrived by the time Sir Bruce Greatbatch, the governor of the Seychelles, was charged with the "sanitizing" project. He began by rounding up about 1,000 pets who were gassed "using the exhaust fumes from American military vehicles." Not all of the animals died from the gassing.

Then Greatbatch used the long, low brick shed used in the production of coconut oil known as the coconut calorifier. The shed housed two shelves, one above the other; the upper shelf held coconut flesh. The lower shelf held coconut husks which were set afire. It was economic and required no extra fuel. The flesh above cooked and expelled its water content to create copra, an edible fat from which oil is produced. "This was to be the pyre. A ton or so of husks were heaped inside and set alight that day, sending up flames and billows of black smoke."

It took patience and time. "With the aid of rifles, strips of strychnine-laced beef and whips made from palm fronds, the dogs were all herded or dumped dead inside the shed" ... Greatbatch had "the fires re-stoked and the calorifier sealed with closely fitting steel plates, and the dogs were promptly - or, according to contemporary reports, really rather slowly - burned or suffocated." The animal's "remains" were later "inspected" by the real brutish beast, Bruce Greatbatch. The beloved pets were no longer "a nuisance" and surely sent a message to their sorrowful owners. ... Lizette Tallatte now in her 60's remembers "and when their dogs were taken away in front of them, our children screamed and cried."

The remaining population, fearing they might be next, was loaded onto ships, operated by Rogers & Co. "Marie Therese Mein, a Chagossian, later says U.S. officials threatened to bomb them if they did not leave." They left everything; one suitcase was allowed. Personal family records were confiscated - the records of births, deaths, marriages - their history.

This is reminiscent of their early ancestors whose names and origin were insignificant to those who enslaved them. On one journey in rough seas, the copra company's horses occupied the deck, while women and children were forced to sleep on a cargo of bird fertilizer. Arriving in the Seychelles, they were marched up the hill to a prison where they were held until they were transported to Mauritius. There, they were dumped on the docks. Between July 27, 1971 and May 26, 1973 the remaining residents were forcibly removed from the island.

Resettlement or integration assistance did not exist. Mauritius was fast-paced, different than life on the island. Fishing and oil pressing expertise were unnecessary. Britain allowed the Mauritius government an extremely modest financial compensation 12 years after the first individuals were dumped on the docks. Small plots of land were issued to the victims which typically had to be sold to pay previous indebtedness as a result of their years of destitution. In order to receive this "compensation" bribe, each person had to sign an ambiguous document renouncing his/her right to return to Diego Garcia.

The U.S. got what they asked for. The expulsion of 2,000 Chagos islanders was "virtually a condition of the agreement." "These people," according to Greatbatch, "have little aptitude for anything other than growing coconuts. They are unsophisticated and un-trainable." In other words, these gentle people were expendable. They were literally dumped penniless on the docks in Mauritius.

These egregious actions condemned the islanders and their families to deep depression and poverty. Some received minimal compensation after waiting seven years. Ninety percent of the island's former inhabitants could not find employment and barely existed in Mauritius's slums. Mauritius already suffered from high unemployment and considerable poverty. Even low paying domestic service jobs were almost impossible to find. The poverty-stricken islanders suffered experienced discrimination. "Their diet, when they could eat, was very different from what they were used to."

No one was allowed to stay on the part of the island unoccupied by the U.S. military or on the two remaining islands. Perhaps the U.S. military had something to hide? This highly secret "mass kidnapping" preceded by conspiracy was unknown to the British Parliament and the U.S. Congress for almost a decade. There were no newspaper reports - nothing!

This was a conspiracy carried out at the highest levels of our government. It was not the first time nor will it the last.


Invited by the British Ministry of Defense (War), journalists visited the U.S. base and reported as predicted, "as if no one had ever lived there. BBC newsreaders would later refer to U.S. aircraft flying out to bomb Afghanistan and Iraq from the "uninhabited" island of Diego Garcia.

Until recently, the British Foreign Office website denied the very existence of the people, British citizens, they should have protected. Knowledgeable politicians, whose job it is to protect the rights of the citizens, remained silent and allowed and promoted the policies that desecrated the lives and histories of the gentle brown-skinned islanders. It was ethnic cleansing! What an obvious difference to the Anglo-American response in the Falkland Islands.

Seven British governments ignored the plight of their vulnerable, distant, discarded citizens living out an indescribable nightmare in shanties in the Seychelles and Mauritius, "while ministers and their officials in London mounted a campaign of deception that went all the way up to the prime minister."

Thor that is a very interesting piece of history I was not aware of what transpired with the indigenous population.

UPDATE

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/03/24/navy-sends-locator-to-find-jetliners-black-box.html?ESRC=todayinmil.sm


Cannot post the information but can provide a link.  Two devices being sent to the area for use in homing in on the pinger from the boxes.

wartoad.. see reply 262 about phone call

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/satellite-pings-revealed-missing-malaysia-plane-s-path-499727?h_related_also_see

London:  The satellite operator Inmarsat said on Monday it managed to work out which direction the missing Malaysia Airlines plane flew in by measuring the Doppler effect of hourly 'pings' from the aircraft.

Malaysia's prime minister announced earlier that the Inmarsat analysis of flight MH370's path placed its last position in remote waters off Australia's west coast, meaning it can only have run out of fuel above the southern Indian Ocean.

Inmarsat explained how they plotted models of the flight's route by measuring the Doppler effect of satellite pings, giving corridors arcing north and south along which the plane could have flown for at least five hours.

Despite the plane's communication systems being switched off, satellite pings were still bouncing back from the aircraft, which which vanished on March 8 with 239 people on board while flying from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

more at the link above.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/malaysia-airlines-plane-debris-identified-recovered-search-missing/story?id=23045541

Malaysia Airlines Plane: No Debris Identified or Recovered in Search for Missing Jet

Interesting comments....

This link will take you to sofrep.com which has some pretty level headed and accurate ideas and tends to answer many questions.  Please take the time to read and form an opinion.  It is a rather long article but makes sense and explains some of the systems on board the aircraft along with systems used to monitor the areas of the world.

On March 8, a Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER departed from Kuala Lumpur with 227 passengers and 12 crew members. It departed at 12:41am (1441 GMT), and was due in Beijing at 6:30am (2230 GMT) that same day. It hasn't been seen since. This report attempts to debunk some of the theories about that disappearance and make a new assertion about what might have befallen the passengers and crew of that ill-fated flight. Flight MH 370.

Read more: http://sofrep.com/34084/alright-goodnight-malaysia-want-know-happened-flight-mh-370/#ixzz2wxDU65tP

At this point I am still confused because of too many theories but we just have to wait until something of clear evidence is found hopefully.  Good night....

Quote from: spacemaverick on March 25, 2014, 03:28:33 AM
Thor that is a very interesting piece of history I was not aware of what transpired with the indigenous population.

Happened on Kwajalien Atoll as well. What you have to realize is just how SMALL the island is LOL  I covered Diego Garcia Atoll, BIOT long ago when we were doing ECHELON sites

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Echelon/Diego_000.png)

US Naval Computer and Telecommunications Station
Far East Detachment, Diego Garcia
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/ECHELON_Diego_Garcia.html

Has some nice black airplanes too :D

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Echelon/B-1_Bombers_on_Diego_Garcia_a.jpg)

I have learned much about bases and listening posts the like from Jack Arnesons portion of livingmoon.  I need to go back and do some review.  Thanks Z.

Satellite clue ends wild theories, hope for MH370

Over an extraordinary 17 days and nights, until the moment Malaysia's prime minister stepped to a lectern to deliver investigators' sobering new findings, the fate of vanished Flight 370 hung on morbid conjecture and fragile hope.

Many previous tragedies have transfixed us by revealing their power in cruel detail. But the disappearance of the Beijing-bound Boeing 777 without warning or explanation captivated imaginations around the world in
no small part because of the near vacuum of firm information or solid leads.

....

No one has found the plane, or the passengers, or the answer to why all this happened in the first place. And solving those riddles involves a search that looms dauntingly across a vast expanse of unforgiving ocean at the bottom of the earth.


entire article here..but the above sums it up..we'll probably never know


http://news.msn.com/world/satellite-clue-ends-wild-theories-hope-for-mh370

Air France 447 plane debris floating in ocean.

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/air-france-flight-447-black-boxes-reveal-pilot-wasn-cockpit-emergency-sensors-failed-article-1.146079

(http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00136/Airfrance_136299b.jpg)

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/americas/article2972177.ece

122 objects detected by Satellite 1500 miles of Western Australia...


A satellite has spotted 122 'potential objects' in the southern Indian Ocean in the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane.
The items measuring between one metre and 23 metres in length, were identified about 1,500 miles off the coast of Perth in western Australia.
Some appeared to be bright, according to Malaysian officials.
The possible debris was captured in satellite images from French company Airbus which were taken on Sunday, March 23.
Malaysian investigators received the pictures on Tuesday and after analysing them, they identified 122 possible objects in an area measuring around 155 square miles


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/missing-plane-122-objects-spotted-ocean-094858412.html?vp=1#rWSuOfG

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/

This is the site from which the crowdsourcing search from one satellite company has allowed people to help search for the aircraft.  Some of their latest images in the sectors I was searching was coming up with some images of what appeared to be objects in the water.  Some of them appeared to be quite large and what appeared to be some smaller objects.  The past two days in the sectors I was checking were fruitful in finding something.  (I do not know what they are...that's up to the analysts to figure it out).

Now a French satellite has come up with numerous objects (about 122) in the area West of Australia (actually SW).  I think there might be a possibility, as one person has said in one article, that the pilot being a supporter of the opposition political party being jailed that he took the airliner off course...flew the plane toward Malacca Straits...contacted the government of Malaysia through intermediary....demanded that this leader be released or he would dive the plane into the sea.  Not getting what he wanted he turned the plane South and took it as far away as he could to make it hard on the Malaysian government as he could.  The emergency broadcast transponders that only work when you perform a ditching would not have time to work if you dove the aircraft into the sea.  That's why they heard no EBT (emergency broadcast transponders).

Now the Malaysian government would have the large problem regarding relations with China, they would look bad and incompetent with regards to most of the world and could hurt them financially.  Naturally they will try to minimize the damage to them as much as possible.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/26/investigators-probe-fresh-data-clue-in-search-for-missing-jet/

Fresh news on possible crashed aircraft Malaysian 370 in link above.

I think the above is a valid possible scenario,  it would make a statement from what the pilot and does make sense.  Simply put...and I believe someone in this thread brought up Occam's Razor.  It may be as simple as what has been stated above.  It will be interesting for the searchers to be able to get to the debris and find out it does belong to the Malaysian Airlines.  I wait anxiously to find out.

It seems astr0144 and I brought up a portion of the news one right after the other...good show astr0144...

Theres a garbage debris vortex in the Indian ocean much like the Pacific ocean.  Hopefully this isn't a false lead.

Within minutes of each other !  :)

You have posted what seems maybe more informed post link  Spacemaverick...if that's (Space satellite company) what they are using to search for debris !  good Find.

QuoteIt seems astr0144 and I brought up a portion of the news one right after the other...good show astr0144...

Well you have to check every contact of debris.  This section of the Indian Ocean must be a vortex for garbage.

https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/448080809023389696/photo/1

Whale carcass.......

Boeing transponder 777 off but this is not the Malaysian flight.  Why don't they make these aircraft where you cannot turn off the transponder?  Very simple...don't put a switch in the aircraft for the pilot to switch off.

http://intellihub.com/boeing-777-transponding-diverted-away-nuclear-summit-two-f-16-fighter-jets/

A rogue Boeing 777, with its transponder off, caused quite the scare recently as it was headed toward the Hague Nuclear Summit before being diverted by military aircraft in the vicinity

By Shepard Ambellas

NETHERLANDS (INTELLIHUB) — At about 1:45am in the morning on Mar. 25th, two F-16 fighter jets from the Brabant Volkel airbase were scrambled in response to a rogue Boeing 777 not electronically transponding at the time.

more at the link above.

Quote from: astr0144 on March 26, 2014, 05:18:03 PM
Within minutes of each other !  :)

You have posted what seems maybe more informed post link  Spacemaverick...if that's (Space satellite company) what they are using to search for debris !  good Find.

The satellite company I am working through is Digital Globe which is based here in the states.  Several countries are now using their satellites but I am sure they cannot devote all the satellite time to the incident since they have responsibilities to others who have bought satellite time.  Digital Globe uses crowdsourcing (open to public to help search).

Missing Jet – Plane Flew & Crashed Into Indian Ocean? (http://www.financetwitter.com/2014/03/missing-jet-plane-flew-crashes-into-indian-ocean.html)

Two US officials tell ABC News the US believes that the shutdown of two communication systems happened separately on Malaysia Airlines Flight 370.

One source said this indicates the plane did not come out of the sky because of a catastrophic failure.

The data reporting system, they believe, was shut down at 1:07 a.m. The transponder – which transmits location and altitude – shut down at 1:21 a.m.




In another words, the two modes of communication were "systematically shut down."

This also means flight MH370?s disappearance may well have been a deliberate act, not an accident or catastrophic malfunction.




U.S. Spy Satellites Detected No Explosion as Flight 370 Vanished - NBC News.com (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/u-s-spy-satellites-detected-no-explosion-flight-370-vanished-n51061)

12 March 2014

BY ROBERT WINDREM
U.S. spy satellites did not detect a midair explosion at the time that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 lost contact with air traffic controllers or in the hours immediately afterward, senior U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News on Wednesday.

"That's one thing that is particularly vexing," said one.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that analysis of data from "national technical means" –- a euphemism for spy satellites -– found nothing "to corroborate or indicate a midair explosion" in the period surrounding the jet's disappearance on Saturday (Friday in the U.S.).

The U.S. Space Based Infrared (SBIR) satellite system (http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/logistics_material_readiness/acq_bud_fin/SARs/2012-sars/13-F-0884_SARs_as_of_Dec_2012/Air_Force/SBIRS_High_December_2012_SAR.pdf), which is designed to identify heat signatures in real time, can -– and has -– detected exploding aircraft, according to a second official,. Indeed, it has provided evidence in the past of events as small as artillery fire and the launch of anti-aircraft missiles, the official said.





The system uses dedicated infrared satellites and sensors on other military spacecraft to gather the data.

Jeffrey T. Richelson, an intelligence historian who has written extensively about SBIR and its predecessors, agrees and says the intelligence community has supplemented civilian investigations of missing aircraft in the past.





Six Other Planes Have Vanished near Malaysia Without a Trace

Is there a zone near Malaysia similar to the Bermuda Triangle?

Original story here (http://intellihub.com/six-planes-disappeared-near-malaysia-without-trace/):

According to data compiled by the Aviation Safety Network (ASN), 83 aircraft which carried more than 14 passengers have been reported missing since 1948 across the world, and that doesn't count the smaller aircraft.  Of those total disappearances, six of them actually occurred in the same general region as the recent airplane disappearance near Malaysia.



1932



The first reported airplane disappearance in this region was near the Gulf of Martaban in southern Burma on August 12, 1932.

Two passengers, GW Salt and FB Taylor, who were attempting to fly from Burma to England disappeared in mid flight, and although their flight was said to have crashed, the wreckage was never recovered.




GW Salt and FB Taylor's private plane in 1932
           
English planters, GW Salt and FB Taylor went missing along with their plane over the Gulf of Martaban in southern Burma on August 12, 1932.

They were flying from Moulmein (Mawlamyine) to Rangoon (Yangon) in Burma, in a huge attempt to get all the way to England.

Their small plane G-AAKA is believed to have crashed into the sea.

The wreckage of a plane was spotted in September that year in the Gulf of Martaban - but it was never confirmed as the planters' plane.



1935

Three years later on November 8, 1935, Charles Kingsford Smith, was attempting to break an aircraft speed record when he lost contact somewhere over the Andaman Sea.  His plane was also never found.






Charles Kingsford Smith, known as Smithy, was an Australian airman who set his sights on beating the England to Australia air speed record.

He set out on November 8, 1935, in his Lockheed Altair monoplane, the Lady Southern Cross, but lost contact with the ground somewhere over the Andaman Sea.

He was never seen again and it is unclear what happened to his plane - but it is thought it crashed into the sea.

Wiki:
Kingsford Smith and Pethybridge were flying the Lady Southern Cross overnight from Allahabad, India, to Singapore (c.2200 mi.), while attempting to break the England-Australia speed record, when they disappeared over the Andaman Sea in the early hours of 8 November 1935.

18 months later, Burmese fishermen found an undercarriage leg and wheel (http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/collection/database/?irn=141688) (with its tyre still inflated) which had been washed ashore at Aye Island in the Gulf of Martaban, 3 km (2 mi) off the southeast coastline of Burma, some 137 km (85 mi) south of Mottama (formerly known as Martaban).

Lockheed confirmed the undercarriage leg to be from the Lady Southern Cross. Botanists who examined the weeds clinging to the undercarriage leg estimated that the aircraft itself lies not far from the island at a depth of approximately 15 fathoms (90 ft; 27 m). The undercarriage leg is now on public display at the Powerhouse Museum in Sydney, Australia.

In 2009 a Sydney film crew claimed they were 100% certain they found the Lady Southern Cross. The location of the claimed find was widely mis-reported as "in the Bay of Bengal" - the 2009 search was at the same location where the landing gear had been found in 1937, at Aye Island, in the Andaman Sea. However, this claim (http://www.smh.com.au/national/kingsford-smith-not-likely-says-dick-smith-20090321-94yj.html) was treated with scepticm by well-known businessman and pilot, Dick Smith, while Kingsford Smith's biographer, Ian Mackersey (http://www.ianmackersey.com/), described it as "complete nonsense".



1961

Decades later, on February 3, 1961, Garuda Indonesia Airlines flight PK-GDY disappeared near Madura Island in Indonesia.  There were 21 passengers on board and the wreckage was never found.

Garuda Indonesia Airlines in 1961      

     

In one of the largest air disasters in the area, the Garuda Indonesia Airlines flight PK-GDY disappeared off Madura Island in Indonesia on February 3, 1961.

It was en route from Juanda Airport to Sultan Aji Muhamad Sulaiman Airport, both in Indonesia, when it mysteriously vanished.

The five crew and 21 passengers were never seen again, and it is believed the plane crashed into the sea.



1974

In 1974, somewhere over the South China Sea, Hurricane Hunter flight Swan 38, from the 54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron disappeared during a typhoon.




Weather reconnaissance flight Swan 38 in 1974       
     

Emblem of the 54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron
Active: 1944-1987
Country: United States
Branch: United States Air Force
Type: Weather Reconnaissance




The 54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron often flew hazardous reconnaissance missions into tropical storms and typhoons to obtain accurate meteorological information. It was inactivated in 1960 due to budget reductions.

The squadron was reactivated in 1960 with a mixture of WB-50s, WB-47s and C-130s and resumed its typhoon hunting mission. The squadron was the last operator of the WB-50D Superfortress, retiring the last aircraft in 1965, when it operated C-130s.

Perhaps its best accomplishment was during the Vietnam War when Operation Popeye (Project Popeye/Motorpool/Intermediary-Compatriot) was a US military cloud seeding operation (running from March 20, 1967 until July 5, 1972) to extend the monsoon season over Laos, specifically areas of the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

The operation seeded clouds with silver iodide, resulting in the targeted areas seeing an extension of the monsoon period an average of 30 to 45 days. As the continuous rainfall slowed down the truck traffic, it was considered relatively successful. The 54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron carried out the operation to "make mud, not war."

It was inactivated in 1987.

In 1974, a newly converted Lockheed WC-130 Weatherbird (serial number 65-0965) was transferred to the 54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron, the "Typhoon Chasers", at Andersen Air Force Base on Guam. The aircraft was sent to investigate Typhoon Bess. The crew departed Clark Air Base in the Philippines with the callsign "Swan 38".

Hurricane Hunter flight Swan 38, from the 54th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron, was lost during Typhoon Bess in 1974 somewhere over the South China Sea.

The typhoon had slowed to still strong 75 mph winds, and Swan 38 was sent out to provide reconnaissance information on October 12.

Radio contact with the aircraft was lost on 12 October 1974, apparently as the aircraft was heading into the typhoon's eye to make a second position fix. There were no radio transmissions indicating an emergency on board, and search teams could not locate the aircraft or its crew.

It reportedly departed Clark Air Base in the Philippines and was 400 miles northwest of Clark AFB when the last radio contact was made.

Search and rescue teams spent four days scouring the sea but no trace was found, according to wunderground.com.

The six crewmen were declared missing and presumed dead.



1983

On February 13, 1983, Upali Air flight N482U disappeared in the Malacca Straits, near Malaysia.

Upali Air flight N482U in 1983 (http://www.aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19830213-0)
           
The Upali Air flight N482U disappeared on February 13, 1983, 20km off Kuala Selangor, Malaysia, in the Malacca Straits.

It was carrying six people - three of them passengers and three crew.


The Learjet 35A was en route from Kuala Lumpur airport in Malaysia to Colombo-Katunayake, Sri Lanka.

The corporate jet was carrying Sri Lankan multi-millionaire businessman Upali Wijewardene.
The last radio contact, according to ASN, was 15 minutes after takeoff when the pilot reported he was climbing.

The pilot was supposed to contact Medan but never did.

A survival pack, believed to be from the Learjet, was found a few days later but no more clues were ever found.



1993

More recently, on January 31, 1993, a Pan Malaysian Air Transport plane disappeared.  The plane reportedly lost contact near Northern Sumatra, and no evidence of a crash was ever discovered.


Similar to the above Shorts SC.7 Skyvan 3-100.

Look closely at the logo below the side window. (No, we did not put it there.)   :P)


Pan Malaysian Air Transport in 1993

A Pan Malaysian Air Transport plane disappeared on January 31, 1993, within Northern Sumatra.

It was en route from Medan-Polonia Airport to Banda Aceh-Blang Bintang Airport, both in Indonesia.

The Shorts SC.7 Skyvan 3-100 disappeared over mountains, and the last reported position was at 8500-foot, 67 miles from Medan.

It was carrying 14 people, 11 of them passengers and three crew, and no one was seen alive again.



2014

Now, over the past few weeks the entire world has joined in on the search for the missing Malaysian flight that had 239 people on board.  The Malaysian government has claimed that the airplane crashed into the sea, but as with the other cases, there has yet to be any conclusive evidence showing where the plane ended up.

Thor

golden info 
..thanks
it  adds another flavor to the mix

Nothing new at this point except that another satellite spotted more debris, planes arrive and can't find it due to reduced visibility and bad weather.  Still nothing has been verified and now Malaysia Airlines will not release some of the data given to them.  I heard at this point also that Malaysia Airlines was in financial trouble before this even began.

Quote from: spacemaverick on March 27, 2014, 05:04:25 PM
  I heard at this point also that Malaysia Airlines was in financial trouble before this even began.

Once the lawsuits start piling on, they'll likely have to declare bankruptcy.  It's going to get ugly.

I saw this in another forum.

Malaysia says there's sealed evidence on MH370 that cannot be made public (http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/missing-mas-plane/story/malaysia-says-theres-sealed-evidence-mh370-cannot-be-made-publ)

Interesting, if true.

Quote
Once the lawsuits start piling on, they'll likely have to declare bankruptcy.  It's going to get ugly.

looks like it's already started

didn't copy all the pics with this

:(




Thursday, 27 March 2014 20:00
HOW MUCH IS A LIFE WORTH? Relatives of westerners killed in MH370 crash to receive MILLIONS more than families of Asian passengers

The nationality of each passenger will make a staggering difference to the compensation payments made to the families of the 239 people killed in the crash of flight MH370, according to legal experts.

Public liability lawyers say the biggest disparity will be the difference between the payouts offered to the relatives of western passengers, compared to those from Asian countries.

American aviation crash attorney Floyd Wisner said passengers and crew from China, Malaysia and Indonesia would fare worse in their claims due to what they are calling a limited view of damages.

'They could evaluate these cases and say a Chinese life is (of) less value than an American life. That's unfair and that's going to cause problems,' he told CNBC.

Under the multilateral Montreal Convention, relatives of air crash victims from signatory countries are entitled to about $US176,000 in damages without having to prove fault.

Further claims can then be made in any one of five places: the primary residence of the plaintiff, the destination of the flight, where the ticket was bought, where the carrier is domiciled or its main place of business.

But Mr Wisner warned any major disparity in payouts would lead to international uproar.

'I would be raising holy hell if I was a family member of a passenger from one country getting less than someone who happened to be sitting next to me from another country,' he said.

The lawyer said the airline could pay between $500-750 million in damages to relatives it was probable it had liability insurance of about $1 billion.



Danica Weeks' husband Paul was killed when the plane crashed in the southern Indian Ocean. The New Zealand couple were based in Perth, Western Australia



Terry Rolfe, the leader of American aviation practice Integro Insurance Brokers, said compensation for loss of life would be massively different for American victims and those from other countries, CNBC reported.

Ms Rolfe estimated an American court would pay compensation of between $8-10 million per passenger, while Chinese relatives would likely receive less than $1 million per passenger.



Most of the people on MH370 were Asian, but relatives are likely to get less compensation because of the legal system in the countries where they are seeking damages





In non-common law countries such as China, where 154 of the missing flight's 239 passengers were from, the payouts could be minimal due to a 'restrained view of damages', according to Australian public liability lawyer Barrie Woollacott.

He said notions of loss in some Asian countries were viewed differently to the west, and this could restrict the way claims are dealt with and also the amount of compensation.

'The way it's administered is a matter for that country,' Mr Woollacott told the MailOnline.

'Non-common law countries have laws that provide different levels or scales for negligence, where as in Australia there is no cap,' he said.

Experts say the disparity in compensation is influenced by a 'restrained view of damages' in non-common law countries throughout Asia



Mr Woollacott said in that in Australia, where six of the plane's passengers were from, if fault is alleged by the person bringing the claim, the airline must prove it was not negligent.

And in those cases, those who suffered loss from an aviation disaster would be able to apply for unlimited compensation.

'If the plane wasn't found or if it didn't enable Malaysia Airlines to establish they weren't negligent, they would be exposed to large claims,' he said.

But if an airline can prove it was not negligent then victims will only be entitled to what is outlined under the Montreal Convention.

Brisbane couple Rodney and Mary Burrows, pictured, were among the Australians who were killed when MH370 plunged into a remote area of Indian Ocean

Allianz is the main reinsurer for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane and according to Reuters it has started paying claims in relation to the plane's disappearance.

It has been reported that $US110 million has been placed in an escrow account and the insurance company settled to make hardship payments to the families of those lost.

Malaysia Airlines said it will not consider compensation payouts until what happened aboard the flight is determined, the Sydney Morning Herald reported.

Authorities believe the plane turned back from its scheduled flight path from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on March 8 and crashed into the southern Indian Ocean nearly eight hours later. -Dailymail



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And I am sure Boeing will end up in this lawsuit somehow also.  The data from the engines...problem with the design in the avionics etc...9all perceived but if they find the black boxes who knows.

Was watching Vikings just now... and saw an ad...

the ad said "You can help find the missing plane"

So I had to look it up on the internet...

You Can Help Find Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane
http://gpsworld.com/digitalglobe-starts-crowdsourcing-effort-for-missing-plane/


::)

That's what I have been using Z since the plane went down.  Digital Globe is a company based out of Colorado.

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/

The above link is where I go and it is powered by Digital Globe.

The search area is about halfway between the SW corner of Australia and the French Southern and Antarctic Lands islands at the present time.  Seems the satellite images I am now observing and checking has a lot of debris on the surface.  So I am tagging it anyway.  My monitor has pretty good resolution and then I use a magnifying glass to try and bring it in some more.

I use Tomnod which is powered by Digital Globe and then Tomnod Locator which is not affiliated with Tomnod or Digital Globe.  The locator tells me which part of the ocean I am observing in the images.  The images I am looking at right now were taken 2 days ago.

maverick

can you tell if it is anything more than garbage?

they are saying that a lot of what is being picked up as objects is really just gabage

Sky;

No not really.  Though some do seem to have certain shapes and reflectivity beyond what normal type trash just dumped or fell off a ship.  Though I believe something else happened I still think that looking is prudent since I could very well be wrong.

I am feeling a much more ominous feeling for some reason.  Our local paper told us here on the space coast that space launches have been put on hold because range radar has gone down and everything has put off for 2 weeks so far.

Then this;

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/28/356298/us-on-nuclear-false-flag-high-alert/


The United States is on alert and has deployed military assets to defend the Atlantic coastline from New York to Charleston from attack by a cruise type missile or low flying aircraft. 

Heightened security measures began with Israel's increasing threats against Iran but increased with the mysterious disappearance of Malaysian Airlines flight 370. 

Sources at the highest levels of the US military and intelligence community cite the possibility of a terror bombing, even using nuclear weapons, most likely to be submarine launched.  This is what is being defended against.

However, the plot, we have been informed, was to include a seemingly hijacked airliner which would be blamed on Iranians, as stated by Joel Rosenberg while speaking with Greta van Susteren on Fox News, March 18th.  Rosenberg claimed the Iranians hijacked the plane to attack Israel.

The US, however, believes someone other than Iran is planning an attack, on the US, not Israel, and planning to blame Iran.

Yesterday, investigative journalist Chris Bollyn made a startling discovery:


"According to reports from plane-spotters, Israel has an identical Malaysia Airlines
Boeing 777-200 in storage in Tel Aviv since November 2013. The only visible difference between the missing plane and the one in Tel Aviv would be its serial number. What do the Israelis have planned with the twin Malaysia Airlines plane?
By using the twin aircraft they have in storage, the terror masterminds may have a sinister plan for the missing plane to seemingly reappear in a false-flag atrocity.  Public awareness of the twin plane in Tel Aviv, therefore, could prevent the evil plot from going ahead." 

After Bollyn's detailed and well supported story was published, a full scale public relations "counter-offensive" was launched by Tel Aviv.

However, US sources say this effort has backfired, indicating that if an Israeli role in the missing plane had never been considered before, it certainly is now.  One highly placed source stated:

"In light of Israeli efforts to get Jonathan Pollard released including overt blackmail, the current 'bottoming out' of relations between Israel and the Obama administration have created a very dangerous situation. Israel may well do anything."

OBAMA WARNS DURING NUCLEAR SUMMIT

On March 25, 2014, President Obama addressed the Nuclear Security Summit at The Hague, Netherlands.  53 heads of state were in attendance.

Prime Minister Netanyahu of Israel did not attend.  This is the 3rd Nuclear Security Summit that Israel has boycotted thus far.

During the closing press conference, Dutch Prime Minister Rutte had just finished congratulating Iran on its cooperation, lauding the United States for a diplomatic success. Rutte made the following announcement while standing next to President Obama:

"...progress is being made. Take Iran. I spoke with President Rouhani in Davos at the World Economic Forum in January. We have now interim accords. The fact that I was able -- the first Dutch leader in over 30, 40 years who spoke with an Iranian leader, President Rouhani -- was possible because of the interim accords, and it seems that it is holding.  America provides leadership there."

Then President Obama spoke:

"I continue to be much more concerned when it comes to our security with the prospect of a nuclear weapon going off in Manhattan"

SPECIAL MEASURES

These assets include AWAC (Airborne Warning and Control) aircraft, AEGIS missile defense naval assets and JLENS aerostat mounted cruise missile defense systems. 
It isn't unusual for AEGIS ships to be offshore.  It has been a standard procedure to use AEGIS to defend both New York and Washington since the "procedural failures" of NORAD on 9/11.  However, AEGIS assets that had previously been assigned to provide the actual capability of Israel's vaunted "Iron Dome" missile defense system are no longer "on station."

This move signals one or more of the following strategic policy "adjustments" on the part of the US:

• The threat of a preemptive attack against Israel by Iran is considered nonexistent.
• Withdrawal of "Iron Dome" assets gives the US needed leverage during renewed Palestinian talks
• The US recognizes the dangerous relationship between extremist factions in both Israel and the US capable of actions, including nuclear terrorism that would be to the extreme detriment of both nations

See the entire story at the link in the beginning of this article

Now that being said...Gordon Duff

Gordon Duff is a Marine Vietnam veteran, a combat infantryman, and Senior Editor at Veterans Today. His career has included extensive experience in international banking along with such diverse areas as consulting on counter insurgency, defense technologies or acting as diplomatic representative for UN humanitarian and economic development efforts. Gordon Duff has traveled to over 80 nations. His articles are published around the world and translated into a number of languages.

You make the call on this one.  Couple this with most of our nuclear officers being fired, relieved or court martialed and this whole thing seems out of control.  Is there truly a double for flight 370?  No solid evidence yet of the plane going down.  All parts on a plane that are manufactured and have serial numbers so they can be tracked all the way back to fabrication.  Searchers still have not found any debris that is directly connected to flight 370.  So many theories and I think some are crackpot, others disinformation but there is almost always a little truth lurking in the lies.


http://www.floridatoday.com/story/tech/science/space/2014/03/27/radar-repairs-cape-delay-launches-weeks/6987413/

Our tracking radar is down....

Remote control technology used on flight 370?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nt4Z1tUHgE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Nt4Z1tUHgE&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3GAYkJUzIE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=M3GAYkJUzIE

The mysterious case of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370

As in Sherlock Holmes and the dog that didn't bark,  Diego Garcia officially claims that they know nothing?

Where's their radar?  How could they not observe anything?

This southern route still make no sence to me. If someone wanted to kill everyone, why would they fly it so far away. Why not just dump it right away or back at the courtroom building. If it was hijacked then who did all the flying and where were they going? I still think it went North on a mission, sell the plane and cargo, slave the crew and passengers and send the government a message. Free the friend or else.
deuem

Quote from: deuem on March 29, 2014, 02:44:37 PM
If someone wanted to kill everyone, why would they fly it so far away. Why not just dump it right away or back at the courtroom building. If it was hijacked then who did all the flying and where were they going?

Maybe nobody wanted to kill everyone and it wasn't hijacked. :)

QuoteI still think it went North on a mission, sell the plane and cargo, slave the crew and passengers and send the government a message. Free the friend or else.

How do you explain the lack of that message to the government?

  If mh 370 were to be used in an attack on someone, and with a similar
777-200 in storage in Israel, it would be easy to blame them for the
attack. Could it be that Israel is being set up? This would give the
entire world a reason to destroy Israel. Almost every one has been
looking for just such a reason..
   rubicon

Quote from: Eighthman on March 29, 2014, 02:19:56 PM
As in Sherlock Holmes and the dog that didn't bark,  Diego Garcia officially claims that they know nothing?

Where's their radar?  How could they not observe anything?

The supposed range on their radar does not reach out like some of the other radars.  They would not have seen anything unless they had some sort of over the horizon radar.  They do have access to satellites and submarine electronic intelligence I bet.  Besides...being a strategic base they would not tell us anyway.

Quote from: 08rubicon on March 29, 2014, 04:09:06 PM
  If mh 370 were to be used in an attack on someone, and with a similar
777-200 in storage in Israel, it would be easy to blame them for the
attack. Could it be that Israel is being set up? This would give the
entire world a reason to destroy Israel. Almost every one has been
looking for just such a reason..
   rubicon

Look at this link, it brings up what you just said.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/28/356298/us-on-nuclear-false-flag-high-alert/

Quote from: deuem on March 29, 2014, 02:44:37 PM
This southern route still make no sence to me. If someone wanted to kill everyone, why would they fly it so far away. Why not just dump it right away or back at the courtroom building. If it was hijacked then who did all the flying and where were they going? I still think it went North on a mission, sell the plane and cargo, slave the crew and passengers and send the government a message. Free the friend or else.
deuem

I can't make sense of it either.  We may never become aware of what transpired.  Some of the links above give us more theories.  And make no mistake, there are plenty of theories out there.  Malaysia is not very good at informing us about their information they have received.

It is a little funny that the one sat that is making all the calls on the location is dirrectly ove this Island. Makes me go Humm.

BREAKING JUST 2 MINUTES AGO

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/03/29/malaysia-search-ocean-australia/7049019/

Two ships combing the ocean off the west coast of Australia recovered a number of objects Saturday, but none was confirmed to be related to the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner, the group leading the search said in a statement.

MORE AT THE ABOVE LINK.  THIS JUST CAME ACROSS FLORIDA TODAY NEWSPAPER.  The colors do not match 370.  See more at above link.

Quote from: deuem on March 29, 2014, 05:15:33 PM
It is a little funny that the one sat that is making all the calls on the location is dirrectly ove this Island. Makes me go Humm.

If I am not mistaken it is a geostationary satellite and the others involved are not.  I could be wrong.

ANOTHER UPDATE FROM CBS NEWS

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-ships-retrieve-possible-debris-in-ocean/

Search area shifted again and a comment from a British gentleman that nothing like this (3 weeks) has happened in modern times.

ya know ..with the search area being moved again and again.. i would dare to say they don't really have a clue which way this plane went..and if it did go down there do you realize how many times it had to turn after takeoff before it went that way?

i don't know how to pilot a plane but i don't think auto pilot makes turns...

so far every piece of theory and non facts just stinks this whole thing up

i wonder if the countries are going to charge maylasia for this..

soo many questions and no real answers...i hate mysteries ::)

From wheels up to wheels down, auto pilot can do it all, , , heading, altitude, speed, all of it.   :)

http://intellihub.com/governments-intentionally-misleading-us-missing-flight-family-member-says-bbc/

In BBC interview, partner of missing passenger says that the MH370 flight was stolen and taken to an undisclosed location, due to the number of high-profile passengers aboard with ties to defense contractors.

By John Vibes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1zNy-5ESos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=S1zNy-5ESos

The whole darkle, still smells like a "FISH Market" to me.

IF our "tech." on Earth, is as advance as many believe, then Someone knows
where that plane and passengers are !

It appears as though other Gov's. are being mislead, for what ever reasons ...

(" I smell "fishy" Delaying Tactics" !)

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on March 29, 2014, 11:46:40 PM
The whole darkle, still smells like a "FISH Market" to me.

IF our "tech." on Earth, is as advance as many believe, then Someone knows
where that plane and passengers are !

It appears as though other Gov's. are being mislead, for what ever reasons ...

(" I smell "fishy" Delaying Tactics" !)

I am inclined to go along with that line of thought.

hey matrix.. yep

i came across this article and it seems there were a lot of politics going on before this and china
(who had the majority of passengers) is  using it to move more ships...
it makes me wonder
here's the last paragraph and then the article..



'Taking Advantage'
China's controlled media means different voices are not heard, allowing China to deflect anger and frustration toward Malaysia, Bo Zhiyue, senior research fellow at the National University of Singapore, said in a telephone interview. This has been helped by the perception that the country is a victim, he said.

"China is taking advantage of this incident to say to its own people, 'Actually by comparison you are lucky by having us as your leaders instead of those guys over there,'" Bo said.

...........


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-27/china-showcases-rising-maritime-power-in-hunt-for-malaysian-jet.html

China Showcases Rising Maritime Power in Airliner Search
By Bloomberg News Mar 27, 2014 10:45 PM ET

A member of the Malaysian Navy makes a call as their ship approaches a ship belonging to the Chinese Coast Guard during an exchange of communication in the South China Sea. Photograph: Rahman Roslan via Getty Images Close

China, in the midst of a military buildup challenging the U.S. and Japan, is showcasing its expanded capabilities in the search for Malaysia's missing plane by deploying hardware from satellites to warships to an icebreaker.

With pictures of gray-hulled naval vessels and planes operating in seas thousands of miles from Chinese shores, state media has hailed the hunt for Malaysia Air Flight MH370 as the country's "strongest-ever search and rescue." China, which had a majority of the passengers on the Beijing-bound flight, says it has sent at least 13 ships to the search zone in the Indian Ocean.

That ranks as the largest naval deployment outside its waters in modern history, according to Gary Li, a senior analyst for IHS Maritime in Beijing. The deployment plays well at home, where President Xi Jinping has vowed to make China a combat-ready maritime power and is being assertive in territorial disputes with neighbors including Japan and the Philippines.

"It's an enormously valuable training exercise for them, it's not something they've ever done before," Steve Tsang, director of the China Policy Institute at the University of Nottingham in England, said. "It means the Chinese can deploy ships at quite considerable distance away from home operating in difficult conditions."

Satellite Images
The March 8 disappearance of the Malaysian Airline System Bhd. (MAS) aircraft with 239 people on board, 154 of them Chinese nationals, has given China a chance to demonstrate its effectiveness and capacity relative to smaller Southeast Asian neighbors.

As Malaysia has struggled over two weeks to map out the airplane's last route, China has used its satellites to spot debris in the southern Indian Ocean that may be linked to the jet, including an object 22 meters by 13 meters detected in images taken March 18.

Two Chinese IL-76 transport planes were dispatched to Perth as the focus of the search moved to an area off Australia's west coast. On March 24, Chinese aircraft scouring the ocean spotted and photographed two "relatively big" objects surrounded by smaller ones floating in the water.

The search was focused today on an area about 1,850 kilometers (1,150 miles) west of Perth, after a new lead based on the analysis of radar data showed the plane probably flew a shorter distance than earlier estimated.

Ocean Search
Three Chinese naval vessels have searched for suspected debris off the coast of Australia, Geng Yansheng, a spokesman at the Ministry of Defense said yesterday in a statement on its website. They are the missile destroyer Haikou, the supply ship Qiandaohu and the amphibious transport ship Kunlunshan, according to the official Xinhua News Agency. The military has also redirected more than 10 satellites to carry out surveillance in the Indian Ocean, Geng said.

Three escort vessels earlier deployed in the Gulf of Aden are also searching in the eastern part of the southern Indian Ocean, Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said March 26. The icebreaker Xue Long, which in January helped evacuate 52 people from a Russian ship trapped off Antarctica, also arrived March 26 to search for debris.

"The demonstration of how much the Chinese are able to be part of it shows how confident and capable China now is just compared to a few years ago," Tsang said.

Far-Flung Operations
While China has been involved in escort missions off the piracy-plagued coast of Somalia since 2008, it has little experience of far-flung operations. In early 2011, it rescued more than 35,000 citizens from Libya, its largest overseas evacuation since the Communists came to power in 1949, according to Xinhua.

"We believe the Chinese government are doing their best, sending planes, sending people," Xu Liping, senior fellow at the National Institute of International Strategy at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences in Beijing, said.

China has contrasted its response with that of Malaysia, which has been criticized for delays and flaws in its efforts to find the missing plane. Foreign Ministry officials have urged Malaysia to step up search efforts and better coordinate the operation, while state media has questioned the competence of Malaysian authorities.

Still, China has also turned up false leads. Chinese satellite images posted on March 12 showed floating objects near the confluence of the South China Sea and Gulf of Thailand that led to a search in that area. They panned out not to be from the plane.

Chinese Protest
While China has thrown a lot of resources into the search, the effort has also shown its limitations, according to Roderic Wye, an associate fellow of the Asia program at London-based policy group Chatham House.

"It shows that China has capabilities but not necessarily excellent ones," he said. Even so, the country's leaders have succeeded in winning positive public opinion at home, Wye said.

On March 25, a day after Malaysia's prime minister said flight MH730 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean, Chinese police watched over relatives as they protested at the Malaysian embassy before they were bused back to their hotel. A day later, international media were let into a meeting where families berated Malaysian military officials trying to explain an analysis of satellite data from the U.K.

"If the Chinese government didn't let them go to the embassy to protest they will use some other means," said Xu. "For China, domestic policies are number one."

'Taking Advantage'
China's controlled media means different voices are not heard, allowing China to deflect anger and frustration toward Malaysia, Bo Zhiyue, senior research fellow at the National University of Singapore, said in a telephone interview. This has been helped by the perception that the country is a victim, he said.

"China is taking advantage of this incident to say to its own people, 'Actually by comparison you are lucky by having us as your leaders instead of those guys over there,'" Bo said.

To contact Bloomberg News staff for this story: Henry Sanderson in Beijing at hsanderson@bloomberg.net

To contact the editors responsible for this story: Rosalind Mathieson at rmathieson3@bloomberg.net Neil Western, Nicholas Wadhams

.....................

wow and now this..should be interesting to see how this pans out


Saturday, 29 March 2014 17:15 NO FAITH IN M'SIAN JUDICIARY? Husband of MH370 cabin crew initiates LEGAL ACTION in US court




CHICAGO - The husband of a crew member of missing Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 asked a state court in Illinois to order Boeing Co. and the airline to turn over data and documents to assist in preparation for a possible lawsuit, the second such petition by the same Chicago law firm.

The petition was filed yesterday in Chicago on behalf of Lee Khim Fatt, whose wife, Foong Wai Yueng, was a member of the cabin crew on the plane that vanished March 8 after taking off from Kuala Lumpur bound for Beijing.



Full article: http://www.malaysia-chronicle.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=253191:no-faith-in-msian-judiciary?-husband-of-mh370-cabin-crew-initiates-legal-action-in-us-court&Itemid=2#ixzz2xOu1RWL2
Follow us: @MsiaChronicle on Twitter

Quote from: spacemaverick on March 29, 2014, 11:49:33 PM
I am inclined to go along with that line of thought.

Yes, bears repeating.

And now the news of the hour....

QuoteBritish secret services are investigating the disappearance of flight MH370, Malaysia's transport minister said on Saturday.

The disclosure that MI6 as well as the CIA are helping the Malaysian authorities will add to speculation the aircraft was hijacked by terrorists.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysia-airlines-mh370-terrorist-theories-grow-as-mi6-and-cia-involvement-confirmed-20140330-zqop8.html

Here's the latest and most interesting. You think ya heard it all, read this and you'll know how ridicules the world really is.

Quote"I have been held hostage by unknown military personal after my flight was hijacked (blindfolded). I work for IBM and I have managed to hide my cellphone in my ass during the hijack. I have been separated from the rest of the passengers and I am in a cell. My name is Philip Wood. I think I have been drugged as well and cannot think clearly."

This hijacked peep claims he sent a text message with a photo which just so happens to be all dark and nothing to see. It appears this peep is rather clever since he says he was blindfolded and still was able to text and take a dark photo of his cell.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/03/hijacked-ibm-engineer-successfully-dialed-out-of-diego-garcia-2928892.html

Quote from: Gigas on March 30, 2014, 07:34:39 PM
Here's the latest and most interesting. You think ya heard it all, read this and you'll know how ridicules the world really is.


This hijacked peep claims he sent a text message with a photo which just so happens to be all dark and nothing to see. It appears this peep is rather clever since he says he was blindfolded and still was able to text and take a dark photo of his cell.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/03/hijacked-ibm-engineer-successfully-dialed-out-of-diego-garcia-2928892.html

I peruse beforeitnews frequently and mostly to see what some crackpot has put on there.  Some people do have wild imaginations don't they?  Some very outlandish things emanate from that site.

http://intellihub.com/malaysia-says-sealed-mh370-evidence-made-public/

Malaysian government continues to backtrack after initial evidence in case of missing flight is proven false

By John Vibes

MALAYSIA (INTELLIHUB) — Malaysian officials told relatives of passengers from missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 that there was sealed evidence, which will not be made public.

The sealed evidence reportedly includes air traffic control radio transcript, radar data and airport security recordings.

Family members of the missing passengers are becoming increasingly frustrated and impatient with the treatment that they are receiving from investigators.

Many are now casting doubt on the initial report that the plane crashed into the Indian Ocean, killing everyone on board.  Family members are suggesting that the Malaysian government prematurely announced that the plane had crashed, acting on faulty evidence.

"We demand you retract announcement that MH370 ended in south Indian Ocean and continue search-and-rescue operations," one relative said at a briefing earlier this week.

The premature announcement of the crash was sent through a text message to relatives, on behalf of the Malaysian government, nearly a week ago.  Since then it was discovered that the object they had found in the ocean was not wreckage, but random unidentified "junk".

I can understand not releasing the security recordings because we don't even do that back here in the states...even from private companies.  That's the first no no in the security field.

Quote from: Gigas on March 30, 2014, 07:34:39 PM
Here's the latest and most interesting. You think ya heard it all, read this and you'll know how ridicules the world really is.


This hijacked peep claims he sent a text message with a photo which just so happens to be all dark and nothing to see. It appears this peep is rather clever since he says he was blindfolded and still was able to text and take a dark photo of his cell.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/03/hijacked-ibm-engineer-successfully-dialed-out-of-diego-garcia-2928892.html

This is no doubt a hoax..That said, the text message should
           be traced, if possible., in the slim chance that it might be real.
           Would hate to miss a resque because we took it as a joke.
             rubicon

Quote from: 08rubicon on March 30, 2014, 08:15:25 PM
This is no doubt a hoax..That said, the text message should
           be traced, if possible., in the slim chance that it might be real.
           Would hate to miss a resque because we took it as a joke.
             rubicon

That does make sense.  Nothing should be written off.  That's one of the rules of an investigator is to exhaust any and all leads because you just never know.  In my previous career we would exhaust looking into all statements.  Follow the evidence and it can prove fruitful or fruitless but you have to follow it until proven wrong.  An investigation can take many turns.

One of the things that bothers me is that PINE GAP in Australia is part of the Echelon ( I believe Australian government would not divulge what they really do at PINE GAP even though we all know what it is....right here on living moon tells what it is)...should have tracked the aircraft also.  They should know or at least have a good idea....

HOWEVER.......kernels of truth can show themselves as long as you just don't believe EVERYTHING you hear or see.  Some investigators do disregard eyewitness accounts but you as an investigator have to look at the totality of what you are hearing from the people.  Classic case is TWA 800 where basically the same story only in different wording from each of the eyewitnesses were telling a similar story.  These eyewitnesses did not know each other for the most part and yet their accounts of what they observed were similar.

See the link below for entire article.  Granyard works for ABC and look at his background in the article.

http://beforeitsnews.com/events/2014/03/islanders-sabotage-mh370-black-op-2432880.html

............With subtle mockery, however, Granyard told the world via ABC's camera that investigators disregard civilian eyewitness accounts, rasing more red flags on Twitter and other online social media sites.

"People aren't trained to know what they see," he says, implying only insiders know what they see; others are likely to mistake something else for a jumbo jet; only insiders know what they see; and others reporting what they see are delusional. "We usually discount what we hear from eyewitnesses."

Others have tweeted and retweeted about searching the oceans and finding plastic bags and cargo container debris but ignoring and not interviewing islanders.

Instead of interviewing locals who saw the odd low-flying jet, and/or police who investigated these sightings, and/or Diego Garcia possibilities related to MH370, ABC shields the military by doing none of these and giving air time to military propaganda.  ABC News has also shown complicity in the crime by using a tactic involving the order in which parts of the narrative are told.  In scripting a report, one can manipulate public opnion (program people) by presenting  alternative, opposing views first, and ending with the narrative government wants believed and remembered, without critical thinking.

In ABC's report below, first, Bob Woodruff presents fishermen in Kota Bharu, Malaysia, who saw a plane fitting MH370?s description in the flight path it flew. The fishermen said it was lower and louder than anything they'd ever seen or heard in the sky. They've spent their adult live observing the ocean. They know aircraft. They know the difference between normal and abnormal, and right and wrong, for that matter. Living in a village, fishing for a living, and differing in color and socio-economic class of the military expert and most mainstream media TV reporters – are not reasons to dismiss their contribution to this humanitarian crisis as Ganyard and mainstream media are doing – and have done since inception of Diego Garcia.

"We are not seagulls or Tarzans or Man Fridays," Olivier Bancoult, a Diego Garcia exiled native had to remind officials last year.

ABC then follows the villagers' report with Ganyard belittling their reports, saying such eyewitnesses "are seldom correct" so officials dismiss them. ABC predictably concludes with Ganyard's military statements, including blaming Malaysia and it needing to be held accountable, scapegoating, so that viewers will do the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxVao1HnL1s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lxVao1HnL1s

Is it possible that MH 370 went a different direction?  Anything is possible and information can definitely be manipulated.  Was it?  I don't think we will ever know.

Do you think it's worth asking DEUEM to take a look at that black image?

FB.

Quote from: Fruitbat on March 30, 2014, 09:20:33 PM
Do you think it's worth asking DEUEM to take a look at that black image?

FB.

Why not?  The only issue is that we don't know if its original but its worth a shot.

Thanks very much for your work on this Spacemaverick.

You are doing a damn fine job of keeping us informed, and I for one appreciate it.

FB.

Well, the least we can try, not me though, since I have no exif software to read the exif of the dark photo, is check the exif co-ords as the story states and see if they match Diego Garcia co-ords.

Anybody?

Quote from: Fruitbat on March 30, 2014, 10:18:33 PM
Thanks very much for your work on this Spacemaverick.

You are doing a damn fine job of keeping us informed, and I for one appreciate it.

FB.

Thanks FB...I am glad everyone else is also chiming in.  We obtain a very wide perspective on the issues with everyone's views here.  Brainstorming is a wonderful thing.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/bright-orange-objects-spotted-by-australian-searchers-as-hunt-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-continues/story-fnizu68q-1226869250467#ooid=JmeG9obDrf0T7Q9eleNUXmTTi0qsYUaD

Bright orange objects spotted by Australian searchers as hunt for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 continues


AUTHORITIES are analysing several bright orange objects spotted by Australian searchers in the hunt for missing Flight MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean. 
 
Crew on board an Australian Orion aircraft located the objects, greater than two metres in size, in a five nautical mile area within the huge search zone where the Malaysia Airlines plane is thought to have gone down.

Quote from: Gigas on March 30, 2014, 10:49:49 PM
Well, the least we can try, not me though, since I have no exif software to read the exif of the dark photo, is check the exif co-ords as the story states and see if they match Diego Garcia co-ords.

Anybody?

The EXIF has the coordinates to a hangar in Diego Garcia, but it's possible to change the EXIF data, I think I have (or had) a program that can do that.

Quote from: ArMaP on March 31, 2014, 12:31:21 AM
The EXIF has the coordinates to a hangar in Diego Garcia, but it's possible to change the EXIF data, I think I have (or had) a program that can do that.

Whoaaa....that is interesting indeed

Here's the whole EXIF data I can get with exiftool.
I removed the Directory information, as it pointed to my user name on this computer.
The "File Modification Date/Time" is the time I saved the image to my computer.

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GPS Latitude                    : 7 deg 18' 58.31"
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GPS Longitude                   : 72 deg 25' 35.56"
GPS Altitude Ref                : Above Sea Level
---- XMP-x ----
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---- XMP-xmp ----
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Hyperfocal Distance             : 3.77 m
Light Value                     : 1.4


Quote from: ArMaP on March 31, 2014, 01:00:31 AM
Here's the whole EXIF data I can get with exiftool.
I removed the Directory information, as it pointed to my user name on this computer.
The "File Modification Date/Time" is the time I saved the image to my computer.

Code Select Expand

---- ExifTool ----
ExifTool Version Number         : 8.15
---- System ----
File Name                       : 1395192158752.jpg
Directory                       :
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File Modification Date/Time     : 2014:03:30 20:10:45+01:00
File Permissions                : rw-rw-rw-
---- File ----
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Exif Byte Order                 : Big-endian (Motorola, MM)
Current IPTC Digest             : b443520a10119da99c2550175e6d0efb
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Software                        : 7.0.6
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Y Cb Cr Positioning             : Centered
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Metering Mode                   : Multi-segment
Flash                           : Off, Did not fire
Focal Length                    : 4.1 mm
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Exif Image Width                : 240
Exif Image Height               : 320
Sensing Method                  : One-chip color area
Scene Type                      : Directly photographed
Exposure Mode                   : Auto
White Balance                   : Auto
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GPS Latitude                    : 7 deg 18' 58.31" S
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Ok, Armap, how can we tell if the exif has been modified? Could some anal retard have deliberately plugged in the co-ords for diego garcia?


seeker

Quote from: the seeker on March 31, 2014, 01:10:24 AM
Ok, Armap, how can we tell if the exif has been modified? Could some anal retard have deliberately plugged in the co-ords for diego garcia?


seeker

Good question Seeker,

I found these coordinates based upon U.S. Military data.

Lat/Long Coordinates

Coordinates

-7.313333, 72.411111

http://www.militarylodging.us/component/content/article/76-diego-garcia/112-diego-garcia-naval-support-facility

@ArMaP,

Do these coordinates match up?

Quote from: the seeker on March 31, 2014, 01:10:24 AM
Ok, Armap, how can we tell if the exif has been modified?

We can't.

QuoteCould some anal retard have deliberately plugged in the co-ords for diego garcia?

Yes.

Quote from: burntheships on March 31, 2014, 01:18:34 AM
I found these coordinates based upon U.S. Military data.

Lat/Long Coordinates

Coordinates

-7.313333, 72.411111

http://www.militarylodging.us/component/content/article/76-diego-garcia/112-diego-garcia-naval-support-facility

@ArMaP,

Do these coordinates match up?

No, those are slightly different from the ones on the photo, 7.316197° South and 72.426544° East.

This phone in the butt story stinks

I checked online and there is software called geoseeker that will allow exif to be deleted and written in, like the gps co-ords.

Like I said, this worlds getting ridiculous with fakery and deception.


Edit correction: geoseeker should be geosetter

Quote from: Gigas on March 31, 2014, 01:37:44 AM
This phone in the butt story stinks

I suppose that would be natural. ;)

The story link from Before Its News links to
this website - Jim Stone Freelance Journalist.

http://jimstonefreelance.com/phillipwood.html

I dont know if he is associated with any Hoax
stories or not?

In any case since there is not even an explanation
of how he came by the photo, it seems fishy.

  Well, the editor was good.7deg.18' 58.31''s,72deg.25' 35.56''e,
point to the south east corner of a storage building at the south east
end of the runway/taxiway on diego garcia
   rubicon

Quote from: burntheships on March 31, 2014, 01:59:51 AM
In any case since there is not even an explanation of how he came by the photo, it seems fishy.

That's typical of cases like this, only half the information is provided.

They say that the photo was sent, but to who? (or whom?)

I also pulled up the co-ords and found the same building; on the website they are saying that if the co-ords had been changed that the software used to do it would show in the image tag;

thoughts?


seeker

Quote from: ArMaP on March 31, 2014, 02:08:40 AM
That's typical of cases like this, only half the information is provided.

They say that the photo was sent, but to who? (or whom?)

If this is true, just how much would you gamble on this person
living until tomorrow? That person's life would over.The sender
may allready be dead.The stakes are too high to let them live.
    rubicon

Quote from: the seeker on March 31, 2014, 02:14:00 AM
I also pulled up the co-ords and found the same building; on the website they are saying that if the co-ords had been changed that the software used to do it would show in the image tag;

I have not tried it, but wonder if Google earth would
give you a coordinate for the runway there?

Or, is the island blurred, or blacked out?

 I got the information from the latest version of google earth. just
go to www.googleearth.com  and in the upper right corner is the
down load button
   rubicon 

From google earth we get the image to gps co-ords.


(http://s29.postimg.org/5y2w0fodz/image.jpg)

Quote from: Gigas on March 31, 2014, 02:58:02 AM
From google earth we get the image to gps co-ords.

So anyone could have found those coordinates
easily. Maybe not so easy to fake but not impossible
the EXIF data.

I did find this same Jim Stone mentioned in Wired as
being a "crackpot".

http://www.wired.com/2012/01/jim-stone-fukushima/

Not that he is, as there are many aspects
to fukushima news reporting that were
a cover up. His is pretty far fetched though.