Pegasus Research Consortium

You are on a mission.  You are an observer for an advanced race of aliens that are watching planet Earth and they have sent you to the planet to investigate human behavior.  They are concerned.  Earth is a remarkable biosphere with an amazing diversity of life and humans seem intent on murdering each other and destroying this blue oasis.  They are trying to decide whether or not to allow mankind to continue in their destructive ways, or if humans should be eradicated in an effort to preserve the planet. 

Should humans be allowed to continue on their present path or should the planet cleansed of them? 

What say ye?

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Cosmo

To eradicate a planet because they think we are all murderers would also make them murderers. So that is a no win. Just as easy to send us all back to the stone age by removing the tech. Or take some away and drop them on another planet. So leave or take the good ones. If they had any sence they would have already taken enough of the life off here to start another world so it survives.

If they're that advanced, then why would they give a crap about this place?....with billions, and billions, and billions, and billions, of other interesting places to visit...me thinks we take ourseleves wwwaaaaayyyy too seriously..... ;D

, , , , FOCLMAO, , ,

Something very similar was done once, , , , , ,



;D   and the bad ones are soon to be kaput, , , its gonna happen. WHeeeeee  ;D

Quote from: Norval on March 17, 2014, 02:44:07 PM
, , , , FOCLMAO, , ,

Something very similar was done once, , , , , ,

Read Your Bibles

;D   and the bad ones are soon to be kaput, , , its gonna happen. WHeeeeee  ;D

Yes, it has been written that it happened before.   Gilgamesh has a terrible time...oops wrong book!  lol

But you have a point there Norval.  Someone passed judgement before.  Are we more worthy today?  Maybe the conditions we have here on Earth are not so common in the universe.  If the creator is an alien.....

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maybe they did it before...or I can go along Norval...lets say it was the big G. 

Again...are we more worthy today.  Maybe we are not deemed worthy to leave this planet.  Maybe we are going to be cleansed again...

Sometimes I think we may be fatally flawed...that in the long run we will doom ourselves...

But...if you were that advanced scout....what would you say?  Do YOU find human beings worthy?  Would you argue for the preservation of mankind?  What say ye?

Cosmo
i just need to get one more post in for 444

I'd wipe us out. We aren't really worth the destruction of the planet.

Depends on just how rare inhabitable resource rich planets are.  Someone out there might just decide this gem of a planet is wasted on us, and worse yet we're f-ing it up.

Consultation 1
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Thoughts..
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Consultation 2
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Meh, I'd broadcast and tell the world to fix up or else..

Quote from: WarToad on March 17, 2014, 04:49:54 PM
Depends on just how rare inhabitable resource rich planets are.  Someone out there might just decide this gem of a planet is wasted on us, and worse yet we're f-ing it up.

Nah we are not really fvcking it up. Hu-mons have only been at it a few thousand years. The Planet has a built in cleansing mechanism.  The Dino's were rulers here for over 400 MILLION years. They too were cleansed and in a few millenia the planet was clean again :D  Ma Nature has TIME on her side :D

And all the nukes? Don't foget that all that radioactive material came FROM the earth in the first place. It is what keeps the core molten :D

Quote from: COSMO on March 17, 2014, 09:45:07 AM
Should humans be allowed to continue on their present path or should the planet cleansed of them? 
What say ye?

Wewll if it was ME  :P

I would put up a psi barrier and block Hu-mons from getting too far off planet and keep their psi abilities in check...

sorta make it a prison planet and impede their ability to learn to use the Force beyond a few minor parlor tricks

8)

::)

On the fence on this issue.
I prefer the experiment should go on.

I do think a big earthquake could take out most nuke plants at once.
This creates unusable land.thus forcing us into high density populations that fight over food.

As lousy as I feel today, I vote for putting me out of my misery.  I'm drugged on cold medicine, so I'm not coherent enough to vote about anything for anyone else.  Maybe later.

Shasta

Well I think that we will be wiped again :(

I also think that some will get off world this time ;D

My 2 cents

Bless
Back

Quote from: zorgon on March 17, 2014, 06:52:18 PM
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And all the nukes? Don't foget that all that radioactive material came FROM the earth in the first place. It is what keeps the core molten :D

Not strictly true there Boss. Nature supplied a certain amount of nuclear material but it took human ingenuity to figure out how to make it breed more. The elephant in the room is that there is now FAR MORE radioactive material on the planet than we started with.

As for the original question, if there are super intelligent aliens OR God keeping an eye on us and giving us every chance to redeem ourselves and stop ruining the biosphere, they are leaving it a bit late to act.

By several accounts I have read, we have pretty much ruined the south pacific now.

What amazes and astounds me is  the complete lack of common sense being shown by more than a handful of people about nuclear power plants. It's obvious they are about as safe as a case of hand grenades in a kindergarten sandpit. So we need to shut em down and stop doing it. That means until the inventors group make good on our promise, humanity needs to rethink how we use energy.

For example: At casa Fruitbat, where all the lights are on, belinda carlisle is coming out of the stereo and your author is typing away on one of them electrical computers there is a total indicated pretty much constant 24/7 draw of 300watts.  To genrate that much power using whichever racial minority I mange to enslave pedalling on treadmills would require a team of at least 7 nubians! that's two teams of three averaged sized and one big muscly one for when I want to turn the volume up. And you'd still need battery backups to do the loadsharing.  (in reality I'm not sure that even 7 would be enough, because even nubians might unable to sustain 12 hours of uninterrupted pedalling per day).

IN a nutshell, we in the west constantly use more energy than we are capable of making, which is just hideously unbalanced. And we have exported our lifestyles and aspirations to the rest of humanity along with the technological means to live wildly out of balance with nature... I hate to say it, but them injuns are looking far smarter than whitey gives em credit for... 

The only POSSIBLE  way forward if we want to live the way we do currently, is to drastically (and quickly) reduce the numbers of human beings...

Even if Chris, Luke and I solve the energy problem tomorrow, just the manufacturing pollution will likely do us all in of we try and give every human being currently alive an iphone, laptop, car and fridge.... Assuming that there are enough raw materials available to do the job.

And don't forget the rubbish... Currently we solve the problem of what to do with all that out dated technology (like CRT displays and pentium 4 computers) by sending 'em off in containers to the third world. Once we all are first world, where will we send the old tat? OR who will actually do the recycling work? Roberts (robots) might bung cars together in seconds but it takes a load of pikeys to take em apart again...

I'll confess I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think that making more nuclear pollution is the answer. In fact its so not the answer that it staggers me how short sighted and dumb we are, to have not instantly decided en mass to shut all NPP's down and not build any more. But of course, we'd all have to use a lot less electricity.

If we all took our fair turns pedalling in the more believable 6 hour shifts that you might get out of a westerner at the point of a gun, then we are good for a constant draw of, ooh, 25 watts each.

My figures assume the the average human can make a constant 100watts at the pedals like I learned at school.
I also have minimised our impact on the environment by completely excluding our use of energy for heating, or travel.

CAN ANYONE BEGIN TO SEE THE PROBLEM?

Because most households I know have a bigger fridge than me, a tumble dryer, a TV set (which is often running 16 hours a day), run their heating hotter than I do, wash more often(!), and in short just GORGE more than I do.

You know I really don't know that we are so much cleverer than the native americans or afghan tribesmen.

Fortunately I'm not the sharpest tool in the box, so my worries are probably groundless.

FB.

If I was an advanced race representative, I would likely have an awareness of the havoc that is wrought when a system is in place that promotes the most ruthless, allows thereby life-and-death power over Others to the Ones at the top, and allows therefore choices implemented that are not in the interest (or desire) of the bulk of the inhabitants.  I would be able to see that it is the system in place that allows the psychopaths to control knowledge (Others' perspectives), do psychopathic things and BLAME it on "Humanity," and otherwise beset the majority with ills.

I would see the vast majority as Ones who choose to help when They can, as Ones with no power but that of widespread choices (when true information is available), and in need of a new system.

I surely would not judge the whole on the choices made by a very few who have control of the system accounting for meaningful energy, with life and death hinged on finding a way to plug One's energy into the system.  I would see that the attitudes shown here that Humans are, as a whole, scum is a cultivated and even propagandized view derived from blaming "Humans" for the lies, propaganda, and poor behavior of a psychopathic few.  I would see that the average Jo(e) cares but has no power to change things.

The whole "Humans are bad" approach is erroneous.

I would say, if that were a scenario, "illogical actions" of man would not be the only consideration of any of those so looking at this Earth. If everything is considered, then my guess would be "leave them alone, and help them to the extent we can, so that they can evolve to a better reality here".

Quote from: Fruitbat on March 17, 2014, 08:56:28 PM
Even if Chris, Luke and I solve the energy problem tomorrow, just the manufacturing pollution will likely do us all in of we try and give every human being currently alive an iphone, laptop, car and fridge.... Assuming that there are enough raw materials available to do the job.

Dont forget all of the free robots.

Lets see, a planet over run with people,
or a planet overtaken by robots...

I know which one I would pick.

"Only when the last tree is gone, will the white man realise that money is worthless"
-Sitting Bull- (i think)

QuoteRoberts (robots) might bung cars together in seconds but it takes a load of pikeys to take em apart again...

..in seconds... ::)

QuoteI'll confess I don't know what the solution is, but I don't think that making more nuclear pollution is the answer. In fact its so not the answer that it staggers me how short sighted and dumb we are, to have not instantly decided en mass to shut all NPP's down and not build any more. But of course, we'd all have to use a lot less electricity.

Indeed, even stepping up the coal production is better than nukes :(
We have plenty of viable alternatives in the pipeline, several of which are nothing less than world changing. We have to get out of first gear, push things harder.

QuoteI surely would not judge the whole on the choices made by a very few who have control of the system accounting for meaningful energy, with life and death hinged on finding a way to plug One's energy into the system.

Well i would, it's their own damn fault for 'electing' these a-holes to power to begin with, and even after 2 world wars (fought for profit) we are still voting for them!
How dumb is that?

Only one way to break the cycle as i see it, and that is to replicate & distribute the new systems ASAP.
Timing is important, we have to be consistent, and publish workable plans that anyone with a basic toolkit can assemble.

Even this has 3 stages, DIY solar/wind/inverter. DIY HHO system, DIY fusion reactor, DIY spaceship. :o

Let's do it! Off to Walmart!, let's show them ET's that we (at least some of us) can live responsibly.
Maybe then they will lift the quarantine, LOL
If they don't i say we make a run for it at Warp 12...........

There's a bunch of questions that are aimed right at me, I can answer those,, and most of the rest too.

First, the important ones.
Will we live through the "next cleansing"? Yes, overall about one third will survive and accept the government of the galaxies the Good ET's live by.

There was a time in very recent history when it could have all went down the toilet, all living things would have been destroyed on earth, , , , utter complete destruction, like Mars is today. Enough of mankind have done what is "right and good" so we passed that part of the testing. We get to live on, and to fulfill our destiny, so to speak.

Everyone KNOWS what is truly right and wrong, and I ain't talking laws. So, it's YOUR choice, your own hearts will commend or condemn you. The Good ETs have the ability to "read" your hearts and know. One third is foretold to survive this next cleansing.

Unfortunately there will be a final test for many that will come in about a thousand more years. Read the book.   ;D

If I was the scout alien I would report to my supervisor that this planet is an EXCELLENT example on how NOT to run a civilization and that he ought to quarantine the planet. There can still be a lot learned so to eradicate would not be good. So long as there is no threat off the planet I would kick back and smoke a big alien left handed cigarette and watch the fireworks.

QuoteOne third is foretold to survive this next cleansing.

Is that including those that have their bus ticket already?   :)

LMAO gold both of you ;D
Norval, as you know i'm somewhat agnostic, but your take on it is spot on, IMHO :)

Ellirium;

QuoteIf I was the scout alien I would report to my supervisor that this planet is an EXCELLENT example on how NOT to run a civilization and that he ought to quarantine the planet. There can still be a lot learned so to eradicate would not be good.

It seems we infest this planet, rather than just live (with) on it.... ::)
If i was commander of the Vogon fleet (a kind one) i would simply blast all the cities with Neutrons & let nature take it's course, go back in a few centuries & sample more Ape DNA ;D

DNA is the answer, ours has a wierd twist (sic) to it that ET is very interested in.

I guess for want of a better word, you could call it a soul, it seems Grey's don't have them, only higher beings do....

Do i sound religious?

I've had many a dream of a flood event where the skies go dark and a wind begins with a roar and water comes rushing over everything. I began to think what I must do and went to google maps for my area and searched the highest elevation which was about 150 miles west of me at 1750 feet above sea level.

I sold my v8 expedition for a v10 excursion and if you know suv's, that is as big as it gets with 4 wheel drive. The next purchase is a 24 to 32 foot travel trailer soon to make that elevated location a place to stay safe.

Here is something that confirmed my nightmares.

My son called me some time in 2012 and told me his daughter became psychic by picking up a necklace in their garden which had been placed there by the other side who have been trying to reach my son to communicate.

I won't go in to all that was communicated but the girl stated a flood was coming and they have to take care of their grand ma, my ex wife, who lives near them and that grand pa, me, knows what to do.

I was shocked because I never told anyone of my dreams of the coming flood and now this affirmation reveals the event from another source. I told my son, I never told anyone this but yes, a flood is coming and I figured out what I must do to survive it.

So I will be getting that trailer soon as I find the model I know will work best for the situation.

Believe it or not!.


Now, as for wishfull thinking. Stargate sg1 season 4 episode 9 had a show called scorched earth where a gadmeer terraformer ship was terraforming the planet for a sulphur breathing life form that did not breath oxygen like organic beings do.

I think we should turn over this world since we can't live without fighting and destroying everything and maybe they will take better care of it.

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DNA   DNA  DNA

did anyone ever think that the dna was a spiral cause we live in a spiral gallacy?
and that's also the reason we are all 'screwed' up? or maybe the word 'twisted' is more ape...
i mean apt

huh?

;)

Well ya, spiral dna is screwed up, so why not us since dna is our spiral address

Now I see it as aliens coming here and say, 'Hey look at this place', 'they're just like us only starting out'...I think the aliens are warlike, territorial, conquistadors. They're violent and blood thirsty. Only they've been at it longer than we have...I don't think there are any Spielberg Ouchie Cutie Aliens.

DNA is what the first cleansing was all about,
if I understand it at all.

Just sayin.... ;)

It's my understanding that the magnetic poles have shifted several times, and this has initiated a cleansing.  A lot of books I read in the seventies, eighties and nineties indicated that the planet is due, or overdue, for a magnetic shift.

Some days I look at familiar landscapes, Buckley AFB, for instance, and I see visions of disaster and carnage superimposed on the current scenery.  Maybe I'm seeing future or alternate possibilities.  Maybe I've bee hitting the catnip a little too hard.  Maybe I just need to get up warly eniugh to have some coffee before I go scrambling out the door.  But I feel something coming.

Shasta

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on March 17, 2014, 09:57:35 PM
"Only when the last tree is gone, will the white man realise that money is worthless"
-Sitting Bull- (i think)

Surely a profit-driven system that promotes not quality craftsmanship but planned obsolescence is not conducive to avoiding that last tree scenario.

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on March 17, 2014, 11:28:33 PM
It seems we infest this planet, rather than just live (with) on it.... ::)

I disagree, Luke.  We are under the oppression and spell of the psychos on this planet.  THEY "infest," making bad choices that most of Us despise but have no power to change personally, and the spell is one of no info, so We don't see the ways We could move to end Their rule.

The interweb has allowed info to finally flow, and We are just now seeing the ways out from under Them.

Quote from: Amaterasu on March 18, 2014, 04:01:08 PM
I disagree, Luke.  We are under the oppression and spell of the psychos on this planet.  THEY "infest," making bad choices that most of Us despise but have no power to change personally, and the spell is one of no info, so We don't see the ways We could move to end Their rule.

The interweb has allowed info to finally flow, and We are just now seeing the ways out from under Them.

Infested....

We're mold...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zyc12-neTjM

mmmm...sandwich....

that reminds me....

Cosmo

My assessment of Rogan's perspective?  He looks at the results of profit motive and claims it is "Humans."  If there was no profit motive We surely would choose more harmonious ways of existing.  The hidden tech that offers free energy, clean energy, cures and possibilities would allow Us to create far better on this planet.

Quote from: Amaterasu on March 18, 2014, 04:01:08 PM
The interweb has allowed info to finally flow, and We are just now seeing the ways out from under Them.

The interweb has become a cesspool ofbad information and fear mongering. No one cares about reality and truth on it. They would rather share false news that fits their belief system or endlessly share stupid pictures so people can say "cool picture" and like it. THAT afterall is IMPORTANT :P

Have some edible money  They are YUMMY

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Quote from: zorgon on March 18, 2014, 07:49:50 PM
The interweb has become a cesspool ofbad information and fear mongering. No one cares about reality and truth on it. They would rather share false news that fits their belief system or endlessly share stupid pictures so people can say "cool picture" and like it. THAT afterall is IMPORTANT :P

I can prove You wrong in the statement, "No one cares about reality and truth on it."  Many MANY of the People I interact with ask questions like, "Does this make sense?"  "What is the evidence?"  "Where can I do more research?" 

Sure, there are many out there that are not discerning, but to paint Us ALL with that brush is disingenuous.

Quote from: zorgon on March 18, 2014, 07:49:50 PM
The interweb has become a cesspool ofbad information and fear mongering. No one cares about reality and truth on it. They would rather share false news that fits their belief system or endlessly share stupid pictures so people can say "cool picture" and like it. THAT afterall is IMPORTANT :P

Have some edible money  They are YUMMY

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-o5Y63yWlUmg/ULVqk8DQ7PI/AAAAAAAAFDo/rT7YIhxEbYY/s1600/LINDT+Coins.jpg)

I, as a child, used to eat those coins as they could be had for a penny and within that gold foil wrap was delicious chocolate. Now days they can't hawk those since the world has gone wrecklessly insane and some stooge would auction those pieces as golden coins and some CIA bitcoin nut would buy em all up and try to market them as currency of sorts while crashing the worlds markets on choclates.

The interweb has become a cesspool of bad information and fear mongering.
No one cares about reality and truth on it.
They would rather share false news that fits their belief system
or endlessly share stupid pictures so people can say "cool picture" and like it.
THAT afterall is IMPORTANT  

i really really hate to agree with you on that  ..    i think it is mostly corrrect
BUT
there are still some who dig and ask questions and think for themselves

sadly
it's to the point of everyone for themsleves anymore..very sad...

Quote from: Amaterasu on March 18, 2014, 08:03:07 PM
I can prove You wrong in the statement, "No one cares about reality and truth on it."  Many MANY of the People I interact with ask questions like, "Does this make sense?"  "What is the evidence?"  "Where can I do more research?"

Lip service only

Back at ATS for 6 years plus I was working hard to post real data that was not only verifiable but had links to official sources.  For every 1000 that asked "Where is the evidence?" maybe TEN actually clicked on that link and out of those ten maybe TWO actually read that document and out of those two only ONE actually understood what they were reading

I see the same thing here... I have over 6000 files online of hard facts, yet no one has looked at them since the forum opened

Quote"Where can I do more research?"

LOL I challenge you to go back a week later when someone has asked "Where can I do more research?" and see how much they followed up.  You just don't understand human psychology. They will give lip service with statements like: "Wow that is really cool... I will research that some more (when I have time)"

Oddly enough they never fond that time. Even my TEST file here only got about a dozen responses, even though a simple search would even produce the answers to that 'test" LOL

People just don't really care.  If they did your TAP would be already a reality

QuoteSure, there are many out there that are not discerning, but to paint Us ALL with that brush is disingenuous.

Not all... just the vast majority... based on many years of posting and presenting evidence and proof.  My stats show maybe 99% :P  I am sure Sky Otter has seen the same or similar numbers

This is the current reality. If people really gave a damn about the way the government is run, they would do like our Forefathers did... grab pitchforks and chase the scoundrels out. But you can't even get them to boycott EXXON

Quote from: sky otter on March 18, 2014, 08:40:28 PM
i really really hate to agree with you on that  ..    i think it is mostly corrrect

You have said similar yourself :P

QuoteBUT
there are still some who dig and ask questions and think for themselves

yes there are a few that do dig. Brien Forster is one (sadly ignored) I am one... but less and less I waste the time sharing it because no one really reads it anyway

Quotesadly
it's to the point of everyone for themsleves anymore..very sad...

True that  Disclosure is a personal issue  but for me ya want to know what did it?  Seeing National Geographic covering Elizabeth Raushers new Pet Nassim Haramein presenting FALSE rocks of no known origin as real Mayan artifacts showing Aliens

You cannot fight that kind of clout on your own. No matter what I present, they will believe that those stones are the real deal because they WANT to believe it... it fits their personal belief systems. Like I said Truth is merely an inconvenience

Quote from: Gigas on March 18, 2014, 08:07:49 PM
Now days they can't hawk those since the world has gone wrecklessly insane and some stooge would auction those pieces as golden coins and some CIA bitcoin nut would buy em all up and try to market them as currency of sorts while crashing the worlds markets on choclates.

LOL you can get Gold Eagles at Dollar Tree for a buck :P

(http://www.dollartree.com/assets/product_images/styles/large/11104.jpg)

http://www.dollartree.com/Milk-Chocolate-Gold-Coins-6-ct-Bags/p305928/index.pro

You have said similar yourself  


yes i have and yes i agree with you on it
but
like i said..
i hate that it is so

Quote from: zorgon on March 18, 2014, 08:42:20 PM
 

Lip service only

Back at ATS for 6 years plus I was working hard to post real data that was not only verifiable but had links to official sources.  For every 1000 that asked "Where is the evidence?" maybe TEN actually clicked on that link and out of those ten maybe TWO actually read that document and out of those two only ONE actually understood what they were reading

I see the same thing here... I have over 6000 files online of hard facts, yet no one has looked at them since the forum opened

Where are the links?  I haven't seen them except where You post links to specific data.  And truthfully...  Pouring over 6000 files is a bit daunting, especially when One is not sure what They're looking for.

QuoteLOL I challenge you to go back a week later when someone has asked "Where can I do more research?" and see how much they followed up.  You just don't understand human psychology. They will give lip service with statements like: "Wow that is really cool... I will research that some more (when I have time)"

I have had People in the past come to Me with more They learned.  [shrug]  I'm saying not ALL People are like You are claiming.

QuoteOddly enough they never fond that time. Even my TEST file here only got about a dozen responses, even though a simple search would even produce the answers to that 'test" LOL

It was not offered as a research test.  I did not think that was the test.  I thought it was about reading between the lines of what was offered.  Had it been stated as a test to see how much MORE We could find, I would have approached it differently.  [shrug]

QuotePeople just don't really care.  If they did your TAP would be already a reality

I disagree.  Many care, but most, not introduced to any solution, can't see any value in caring when it only leads to frustration.  A whole lot are responding positively and helping spread the solution when They encounter it.  TAP is not a reality because the tipping point in awareness has not yet been reached.  (If I had a cure for a disease and told 3 People, You think the cure would be out there *POOF*?  No...  The money interests would fight it and many more would have to know for it to wind up known and used.)

QuoteNot all... just the vast majority... based on many years of posting and presenting evidence and proof.  My stats show maybe 99% :P  I am sure Sky Otter has seen the same or similar numbers

The vast majority are struggling to put food on the table.  Somehow that will take precedence.  Be that as it may, more and more are doing what They can.

QuoteThis is the current reality. If people really gave a damn about the way the government is run, they would do like our Forefathers did... grab pitchforks and chase the scoundrels out. But you can't even get them to boycott EXXON

So...  With the vast majority barely able to feed Themselves, You expect Them to leave Podunk and go to Washington to oust People?  Against heavy defense?  Really?

wow great thread :)
I have a very long reply, it'll have to wait until tomorrow.
All we need to do is reach the tipping point while being able to feed ourselves etc, it can be done (with a lot of push)

Zorgon, where are those 6000 files located?

Quote from: VillageIdiot on March 19, 2014, 02:03:42 PM
Zorgon, where are those 6000 files located?

Quite a few if not most are on the living moon website.


seeker

Quote from: Amaterasu on March 18, 2014, 09:11:39 PM
Where are the links?  I haven't seen them except where You post links to specific data.  And truthfully...  Pouring over 6000 files is a bit daunting, especially when One is not sure what They're looking for.

Well lemme see if I can find them... hang on...

hmmmm this is gonna be hard....

Oh LOOKY  Right at the top of the main Pegasus page  Go figure :P

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/menu.html

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Resources: Patent Offices, Etc
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And looks like that Zorgon chap spent a lot of time organizing the links and files into easy to search categories... imagine that :P

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Oh yeah right now the PDF's are password protected but since no one was interested anyway  :P

QuoteI have had People in the past come to Me with more They learned.  [shrug]  I'm saying not ALL People are like You are claiming.

Well DUH  Not ALL :P There are the occasional bright lights that come along. If there weren't I would have quit years ago :D

It was not offered as a research test.  I did not think that was the test.  I thought it was about reading between the lines of what was offered.  Had it been stated as a test to see how much MORE We could find, I would have approached it differently.  [shrug]

I suggest you re read the OP :P

Well on many forums I have seen people screaming and demanding that the Government and the PTB reveal the truth...

People demand researchers should work for FREE and bring them the answers...

But when those answers are laid out in front of them, most don't even look at the cover let alone visit the link and actually READ what is there...

And of the few who do... so very few actually grasp what it implies...

Now I can understand that technical journals are hard to read or understand...

And I understand videos and photos can be so easily doctored that they are almost worthless...

But if people don't take the time to LOOK CLOSELY... they will never see truth right under their noses.

Read the paper... and write to me with what you gleaned from the paper.


GLEAN :

2. to gather information or material bit by bit
  b. to pick over in search of relevant material <gleaning old files for information>
  c. to gather or collect (something) in a gradual way. : to search (something) carefully.
ex> "They spent days gleaning the files for information."

QuoteI disagree.

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QuoteThe vast majority are struggling to put food on the table.  Somehow that will take precedence.  Be that as it may, more and more are doing what They can.

Putting food on the table taking precedence.? Gee I wonder why? :P

But I don't see "more and more are doing what they can".   I have tried to get people who complain about the gas prices (for example) to do ONE SIMPLE THING that anyone can do easily without sacrifice. Boycott Exxon.

No American will boycott gasoline... we are too dependent on it... BUT we can send a powerful message without giving up gas... Boycott Exxon and take a few minutes to find a Shell or BP or other foreign owned station.

WHY?  How will it make a difference?  If I really have to spell it out then I already lost :P

Back in the day the Rockefellers and Justin Bush, using Union Bank and Standard Oil created a monopoly and funded the NAZI into power. Years ago that was a conspiracy theory... now it is recorded history and sanctions for trading with the enemy were filed. Standard Oil was broken up as an illegal monopoly

Well in the first year of the Iraqi "war" Exxon recorded RECORD EVER quarter profits while we shelled out willingly at the pumps "because of the war effort" First of all we were NOT at WAR with Iraq... it was called 'Operation Iraqi Freedom"  We were fighting  Saddam for THEIR freedom.

Well if you read my work and take time to research Exxon  you will find that in reality it is the old Standard Oil restructures by the same Rockefeller/Bush Oil Barrons

So yeah Shell Oil is a big one too, but they are based in the Netherlands and are making strides in Hydrogen fuels for all...  So send a strong message to the US Barons that we won't take it anymore. 

You would be amazed at how this simple action could effect things.  But NO ONE will do it... not one has so far in all the years I have been pushing this

Talking and 'sharing' news on the internet is not doing something :P Does it increase awareness? Maybe, maybe not.... if you read the responses its more not and people are getting jaded.

Yeah I know you disagree... :P but I spend a lot of time studying human nature

QuoteSo...  With the vast majority barely able to feed Themselves, You expect Them to leave Podunk and go to Washington to oust People?  Against heavy defense?  Really?

Well there is plenty of food in that White House :P  But yeah I DO expect them to get off their collective arses and march on Washington. The bikers did it, the truckers did it, the Vets stormed the closed memorials.

Everywhere else in the World the poor starving oppressed masses are rising up and marching... Brazil, Egypt, Turkey.... using sticks and stones and sheer numbers

So yeah... if ya want change I DO expect them to leave Podunk and go to Washington to oust People. But they could start with their local PIGS :P  If every community cleaned their own backyard, there would be a trickle effect that will spread like wildfire :D

Not saying shoot em (waves at NSA spook  8) but maybe tar and feather would work :P  It worked in Boston

Quote from: zorgon on March 19, 2014, 06:43:49 PM
Well lemme see if I can find them... hang on...

hmmmm this is gonna be hard....

Oh LOOKY  Right at the top of the main Pegasus page  Go figure :P

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/menu.html

I have been on that page maybe half a dozen times, and always looking for something specific.  Maybe putting it on the FORUM at the top would garner more visits.

EDIT to add:

Quotebut I spend a lot of time studying human nature

So do I.

Zorgon, I've never seen that page before and I've clicked on a lot of links here.

There is no Menu button on my toolbar or any way to access the page. Maybe that is why no one looks at the files. Because they can't get to them.

Look at the url. I wouldn't think to type that into the address bar. No one told me that leads to anything.

Quote from: Amaterasu on March 19, 2014, 08:02:40 PM
I have been on that page maybe half a dozen times, and always looking for something specific.  Maybe putting it on the FORUM at the top would garner more visits.

EDIT to add:

So do I.

First time I've seen that specific menu too.. I must be blind..

ETA: I vote for a clearer navigation system.. So we don't get a sigh off Z when we miss certain things  :P

O yes i got lost in there once, took me days to get out LOL

I still have the PRC databank button on my toolbar, havent used it in a while :D

Z we really should go through our libaries sometime, i have a few gigs to be sorted, it would be nice to update both libaries 8)

I know, you need a sexetary :P

Quote from: PlaysWithMachines on March 19, 2014, 09:26:03 PM
O yes i got lost in there once, took me days to get out LOL

I still have the PRC databank button on my toolbar, havent used it in a while :D

Z we really should go through our libaries sometime, i have a few gigs to be sorted, it would be nice to update both libaries 8)

I know, you need a sexetary :P

So only certain people have access.

I remember falling in there a long time ago. But now, that portal doesn't exist from

http://thelivingmoon.com

Quote from: Gigas on March 19, 2014, 09:39:43 PM
I remember falling in there a long time ago. But now, that portal doesn't exist from

http://thelivingmoon.com

Yes, it does.

I go straight to the forum. I never visit that page.

Quote from: thorfourwinds on March 19, 2014, 09:52:14 PM
Yes, it does.

Oh, OK, what ever you do, don't show us where, cause, you know, maybe it would be found.  :o

Quote from: thorfourwinds on March 19, 2014, 09:44:35 PM
One would hope that the linky is mutually-rewarding.   :P

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1003435/pg3
I always link the Living Moon..Even on accident from a google hit  8)

Quote from: VillageIdiot on March 19, 2014, 09:57:13 PM
I go straight to the forum. I never visit that page.

You never view the Living Moon?

Quote from: Sinny on March 19, 2014, 10:16:52 PM
You never view the Living Moon?

There is no way for me to access that area. Clicking on the header only takes me to the home page where there are no links.

Click on the 'Forum' button, go down to 4th section "The Living Moon"
;D :o 8) :P
PRC is just a forum, TLM is sooo much more ;)

Okay, so I didn't poke around enough. People hate that kind of thing, you know.

There's a reason I'm the Village Idiot.  ::)

The link to that should be on the toolbar.

Quote from: Sinny on March 19, 2014, 09:07:04 PM
First time I've seen that specific menu too.. I must be blind..

ETA: I vote for a clearer navigation system.. So we don't get a sigh off Z when we miss certain things  :P

Well I DO need to revamp the website because there is so much there BUT

On the FRONT PAGE MENU  here
http://thelivingmoon.com/

Under "Member Feature Menu"

you will see

(http://thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Pegasus/LoriPeg.jpg)"Pegasus Research Consortium
Non Profit Educational Think Tank
Share Ideas, Patents and Information
Collection of Papers on Atlternate Scientific Research
Patent, PDF and Link Database "


at the top of the list followed by Undo's section

Kinda right up front Not sure how I can simplify that :P

I use that portal daily...

They are different formats, I like the list, it has more of a ... Flow to it.

People, the problem seems to be that no one takes time to look at the forum list on the home page; I daresay most look at recent posts and click the links...

I have been reading on the website since Z first turned me onto it quite some time ago; still have a lot to explore and read and wish I had more time to do just that...

and as far as the test, I took it a couple of years ago; spent the better part of a month digging and digging and going 'Holy Crap!' before sending Z what I had uncovered to that point, only to discover that he had the ten points he was looking for posted in a thread... :o

All I will say is that it is an eye opener and only re-inforced what I had long suspected and actually had related to me by several different people from various govt/mil/defense contractor areas...

what does my signature say?


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