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Title: There'll be no escape from the FBI's new facial recognition system
Post by: astr0144 on April 16, 2014, 04:31:02 PM
There'll be no escape from the FBI's new facial recognition system.

Maybe time to obtain a new facial mask or transplant if one does not want to be recognized ! 

If you thought that the NSA wanted too much personal information, just wait a few months. The EFF is reporting that the FBI's new facial recognition database, containing data for almost a third of the US population, will be ready to launch this summer. Codenamed NGI, the system combines the bureau's 100 million-strong fingerprint database with palm prints, iris scans and mugshots. Naturally, this has alarmed privacy advocates, since it's not just felons whose images are added, but anyone who has supplied a photo ID for a government job or background check. According to the EFF's documents, the system will be capable of adding 55,000 images per day, and could have the facial data for anything up to 52 million people by next year. Let's just hope that no-one tells the Feds about Facebook, or we're all in serious trouble.



http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/15/eff-fbi-ngi-facial-recognition-program-launches-summer/?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000589
Title: Re: There'll be no escape from the FBI's new facial recognition system
Post by: Amaterasu on July 02, 2014, 07:02:20 AM
I have read that if high contrast makeup is applied in a semi-random way the computers cannot match the face...  Like cow spots on Your face and the data mean nothing to the data base.
Title: Re: There'll be no escape from the FBI's new facial recognition system
Post by: ArMaP on July 02, 2014, 02:04:36 PM
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 02, 2014, 07:02:20 AM
I have read that if high contrast makeup is applied in a semi-random way the computers cannot match the face...  Like cow spots on Your face and the data mean nothing to the data base.
I doubt it, as the systems are based on the relative positions and sizes of the elements  of a face, so unless someone paints an extra mouth, for example, I don't see how they can fool the system. :)

Also, newer systems may use 3D data about the face, making it easier to identify any face, as the 3D data has much more structural information about the person's face.
Title: Re: There'll be no escape from the FBI's new facial recognition system
Post by: sky otter on July 02, 2014, 02:35:50 PM


Re: they know what you are doing
« Reply #480 on: June 02, 2014, 11:40:28 AM »

be sure to smile real big   


NSA scoops up images for facial recognition programs


The US National Security Agency is scooping up large quantities of images of people for use in facial recognition programs, the New York Times reported Sunday, citing top secret documents.

The Times said documents, which were obtained from fugitive former US intelligence analyst Edward Snowden, show a significant increase in reliance on facial recognition technology at the agency over the past four years.

The report said the NSA was using new software to exploit a flood of images included in intercepted emails, text messages, social media posts, video conferences and other communications.

It cited leaked 2011 documents as saying the NSA intercepts "millions of images per day," including 55,000 "facial recognition quality images."

The images represented "tremendous untapped potential," according to the report, which said NSA officials believe advances in technology could revolutionize the way the agency finds intelligence targets.

"It's not just the traditional communications we're after: It's taking a full-arsenal approach that digitally exploits the clues a target leaves behind in their regular activities on the net to compile biographic and biometric information" that can help "implement precision targeting," a 2010 document quoted by the newspaper said.

The Times said it wasn't clear how many people, including how many Americans, had been caught up in the effort, but noted that neither US privacy laws nor US surveillance laws provide specific protections for facial images.

A NSA spokeswoman said, however, that the agency would be required to get court approval for imagery of Americans it collects through its surveillance programs.

The agency has been at the center of controversy over the scope of its global electronic surveillance program since they were first revealed by Snowden in June 2013.

The former intelligence contractor is in Russia, where he was granted temporary political asylum last year.

http://news.msn.com/us/nsa-scoops-up-images-for-facial-recognition-programs

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Report: NSA Collects Millions Of Photos For Facial Recognition Project

   by Eyder Peralta
June 01, 2014 2:53 PM ET Because of the big news about the release of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, we missed another big story on Saturday that was published by The New York Times: Based on documents leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, the paper reports the U.S. spy agency is collecting millions of pictures a day from emails, text messages, social media, videoconferences and other sources for a facial-recognition project.
It's important to note that it's not clear whether the bulk collection includes the pictures of Americans and it is also not clear whether a facial-recognition program of this sort is bound by current U.S. law.
The Times reports that the NSA is crosschecking those public images with official databases. One document showed an image with other information like whether the person shown was on the no-fly list. The Times adds:

"The spy agency's reliance on facial recognition technology has grown significantly over the last four years as the agency has turned to new software to exploit the flood of images included in emails, text messages, social media, videoconferences and other communications, the N.S.A. documents reveal. Agency officials believe that technological advances could revolutionize the way that the N.S.A. finds intelligence targets around the world, the documents show. The agency's ambitions for this highly sensitive ability and the scale of its effort have not previously been disclosed.


"The agency intercepts 'millions of images per day' — including about 55,000 'facial recognition quality images' — which translate into 'tremendous untapped potential,' according to 2011 documents obtained from the former agency contractor Edward J. Snowden. While once focused on written and oral communications, the N.S.A. now considers facial images, fingerprints and other identifiers just as important to its mission of tracking suspected terrorists and other intelligence targets, the documents show.


'It's not just the traditional communications we're after: It's taking a full-arsenal approach that digitally exploits the clues a target leaves behind in their regular activities on the net to compile biographic and biometric information' that can help 'implement precision targeting,' noted a 2010 document.

It's a complex program and a New York Times exclusive, so we encourage to click over if you want to know more



http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/06/01/317957289/report-nsa-collects-millions-of-photos-for-facial-recognition-project


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http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-27663130

2 June 2014 Last updated at 07:31 ET 

.NSA 'collects facial-recognition photos from the the net'





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Title: Re: There'll be no escape from the FBI's new facial recognition system
Post by: Amaterasu on July 02, 2014, 08:16:12 PM
Quote from: ArMaP on July 02, 2014, 02:04:36 PM
I doubt it, as the systems are based on the relative positions and sizes of the elements  of a face, so unless someone paints an extra mouth, for example, I don't see how they can fool the system. :)

Also, newer systems may use 3D data about the face, making it easier to identify any face, as the 3D data has much more structural information about the person's face.

Well, if They're relying on data scoops as sky's post suggests, They don't have 3D data really (though if They have multiple images of someOne, it is conceivable that They can construct some semblance of a 3D model...).

As for the face painting...  If One paints a black splotch around one eye, adds a really thick browline over the other, paints a stripe down one side of the nose, paints huge lips...  Then the software has issues identifying who the Person is.
Title: Re: There'll be no escape from the FBI's new facial recognition system
Post by: ArMaP on July 02, 2014, 08:48:28 PM
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 02, 2014, 08:16:12 PM
Then the software has issues identifying who the Person is.
I think that would show that you have more issues than the software. ;)
Title: Re: There'll be no escape from the FBI's new facial recognition system
Post by: Amaterasu on July 02, 2014, 08:53:31 PM
Quote from: ArMaP on July 02, 2014, 08:48:28 PM
I think that would show that you have more issues than the software. ;)

Or...  You're a street actor.  Or You are going to a costume party.  Or...  You're trying to avoid facial recog software identifying You because You don't like being spied on.  Just sayin'.
Title: Re: There'll be no escape from the FBI's new facial recognition system
Post by: ArMaP on July 02, 2014, 09:18:14 PM
Some people have been trying several methods of fooling the systems (http://io9.com/how-fashion-can-be-used-to-thwart-facial-recognition-te-1495648863), while other people are creating new systems.
Title: Re: There'll be no escape from the FBI's new facial recognition system
Post by: burntheships on July 02, 2014, 09:45:21 PM
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 02, 2014, 08:16:12 PM

As for the face painting...  If One paints a black splotch around one eye, adds a really thick browline over the other, paints a stripe down one side of the nose, paints huge lips...  Then the software has issues identifying who the Person is.

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Title: Re: There'll be no escape from the FBI's new facial recognition system
Post by: Amaterasu on July 02, 2014, 10:08:46 PM
Yes!  ...although...  That tongue will give it away every time!  LOL!
Title: Re: There'll be no escape from the FBI's new facial recognition system
Post by: burntheships on July 02, 2014, 10:16:28 PM
Quote from: Amaterasu on July 02, 2014, 10:08:46 PM
Yes!  ...although...  That tongue will give it away every time!  LOL!

Yah, good point LOL! And, the teeth too probably!
;)

Quote from: sky otter on July 02, 2014, 02:35:50 PM

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Title: Re: There'll be no escape from the FBI's new facial recognition system
Post by: Norval on July 04, 2014, 03:10:33 PM
, , , , until "they" can see my retina "they" won't know who I am, , FOCLMAO