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This "war" has been going on now "openly" for several days. Both sides are increasingly directing more and heavier attacks toward the other.

Folks, this is an extremely serious situation that has been brewing for a long long time, and this could eventually lead to the involvement of many other countries, including the United States. There is much at stake for both, and it is likely neither will stop until in one or the other is in total defeat - and this could be/or is Israel against much of the muslim world.

Israel is a close friend of the United States, and in spite of the "footsie" being played by this administration, the US will be in support of Israel. There will be other countries supporting the Palestinian Terrorists, and there is no end to the various scenarios that can be envisioned as this war continues.

Because of the seriousness of this situation, I believe it worthwhile for us to have a place here for status, updating, and reporting informationally the circumstances as this war continues. Small wars can be the fusing point of world wars. Right now we are on the sidelines, but very quickly that could change for all of us, wherever we live.

http://www.jpost.com/

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/IDF-strikes-320-Gaza-targets-over-past-24-hours-362190

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2014-07/04/c_126707457.htm

I have grave doubts israel is a friend of the US, or of this world.

They seem to be a terror organization inflaming all of the middle east and pulling the US into skirmishes they create.

They attacked the USS liberty and killed Americans for starters.

When pictures emerge of israel being attacked we see bottle rockets laying on the pavement or ground claimed to be fired from Palestine. Nothing big or deadly and no Israeli killed but Israel retaliates with missiles and air strikes that kill Palestinians by the score.

How come if israel is being attacked no israeli are killed but when israel attacks, people are killed.

Something wrong with that picture.

i dont understand why hamas doesnt fire the missiles at a low angle .that way the missile skims just over building tops and iron dome would not be able to shoot them down.
so far iron dome is 90% success which means 10% are making it through.good odds for the downtrodden.
also kinda shocked that iron dome american tech actually works,with all the failures weve had lately with our tech.

what really bugs me is israel should be able to see in real time where the missile guys are.having spy sattelites.they should be able to drone the missiles.
thats why i believe israel has been allowing this to happen to justify taking more land.allowing hamas small victories whil israel screems and says we have to bomb the hell out of palestine.israel are scum.

Quotei dont understand why hamas doesnt fire the missiles at a low angle .that way the missile skims just over building tops and iron dome would not be able to shoot them down.

The guidance systems on these rockets consist of "eyeballing it" from what I understand, so for them to hit ANYTHING at all would be purely by luck. To do this into a neighboring country miles away without even being able to see the target would be quite a task. 

Quote from: robomont on July 10, 2014, 06:46:41 PM
i dont understand why hamas doesnt fire the missiles at a low angle .that way the missile skims just over building tops and iron dome would not be able to shoot them down.
so far iron dome is 90% success which means 10% are making it through.good odds for the downtrodden.
also kinda shocked that iron dome american tech actually works,with all the failures weve had lately with our tech.

what really bugs me is israel should be able to see in real time where the missile guys are.having spy sattelites.they should be able to drone the missiles.
thats why i believe israel has been allowing this to happen to justify taking more land.allowing hamas small victories whil israel screems and says we have to bomb the hell out of palestine.israel are scum.

Hi Robo, good to see you! Robo, with just general observation over the years, the palestinians/Hamas to me seem somewhat pretty technically challenged/deficient. Any dummy can wear a suicide bomb, but war is way more technical today than it was just a few years back in the desert. Sling-shots are out, and drones are in. Camels are out, and highly sophisticated weapons are in - for some like Israel. In a today's war, if when one shoots any type of weapon one does not already know where it will hit, then this one will likely lose the war because one's opponent probably does know before shooting.

The widely differing "opinions" about Israel and its objectives are interesting, as we read the responses! :)

But, so far I haven't sensed any real concern that this war very well could envelop the entire world before it is over?

Quote from: Gigas on July 10, 2014, 05:27:18 PM
I have grave doubts israel is a friend of the US, or of this world.

They seem to be a terror organization inflaming all of the middle east and pulling the US into skirmishes they create.

They attacked the USS liberty and killed Americans for starters.

When pictures emerge of israel being attacked we see bottle rockets laying on the pavement or ground claimed to be fired from Palestine. Nothing big or deadly and no Israeli killed but Israel retaliates with missiles and air strikes that kill Palestinians by the score.

How come if israel is being attacked no israeli are killed but when israel attacks, people are killed.

Something wrong with that picture.

Relative to the Liberty Ship comment, that did happen, but possibly not so much as you seem to think.

Here is a lengthy wiki discourse on this, and yes the Israelis did attack the ship, but there is a lot of "circumstance" associated with the historical details.

For you gigas, and any here who like me might not have a history of knowledge on this event.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Another Jerusalem Post news article of importance on this. I haven't seen anything on this in the US yet, but it may have been released.

"Obama speaks with Netanyahu, offering to broker ceasefire with Hamas"
US President reaffirms Israel's right to defend itself against attacks; Congress prepares resolution supporting Israel, condemning Hamas "unprovoked" actions; State Department points finger at Hamas as perpetrator of crisis.

VIENNA -- The United States is prepared to facilitate a cessation of hostilities between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip, US President Barack Obama told Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu by phone today.

In the call, Obama "reiterated the United States' strong condemnation of continuing rocket fire into Israel by Hamas and other terrorist organizations in Gaza and reaffirmed Israel's right to defend itself against these attacks," the White House said in a readout of the conversation.

And then it gets even more interesting - - But Netanyahu has ruled out a ceasefire with Hamas in the short-term. On the contrary, the Israeli leader has vowed a series of additional stages to Operation Protective Edge— his government's response to continued rocket fire on Israeli towns and cities, after Hamas, a terrorist organization, stockpiled tens of thousands of rockets in the coastal territory over the last several years.

A ceasefire is "not even on the agenda," Netanyahu told members of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, just hours before his call with the US leader.

The president also expressed concern, the press secretary's office continued, "about the risk of further escalation and emphasized the need for all sides to do everything they can to protect the lives of civilians and restore calm."

Netanyahu/Israel simply knows that a cease fire now will change nothing in the minds and hearts of Hamas and the palestinians, whereas a total resulting obvious defeat could have a very broad long term effect on them. In addition, any type of Israeli victory would give Israel superior standing for any resulting negotiations.

More:
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Obama-speaks-with-Netanyahu-offering-to-broker-ceasefire-with-Hamas-362349

Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman called on the government to "go all the way" and "eradicate the Hamas regime in Gaza."


That is precisely what they need to do! Otherwise, the continuous fighting continues. Hamas is a terrorist group, and should be "eliminated". This war now is just another case of Israel responding to Hamas terrorism.

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Netanyahu-IDF-offensive-in-Gaza-to-continue-until-quiet-is-restored-in-south-362434

yep hamas is just as much a terrorist group as israel is.both should die .the sooner the better.

Quote from: robomont on July 11, 2014, 08:56:51 PM
yep hamas is just as much a terrorist group as israel is.both should die .the sooner the better.

I know the muslims advertise the Jews to be "terrorists", but a good part of the rest of the world does not subscribe to that as fact. muslims hate the Jews, and therein lies the source/seed of their terrorism against Israel. Of course, the terrorism of the muslims does not begin and end at Israel's border, as it is the muslims' desire to take over the entire world, with their sharia law.

This is not a direct part of the war, but it does make an important statement relative to the position of the people of the United States regarding Israel's right to defend itself!

Fox News
FOREIGN AFFAIRS

House approves resolution backing Israel's right to defend itself against Hamas
Published July 11, 2014 FoxNews


The House of Representatives on Friday approved a non-binding resolution backing Israel's right to defend itself against Hamas rocket attacks.

The vote comes as Hamas-fired rockets stream into Israel's airspace, though most are being intercepted by Israel's advanced defense system.

The House adopted the resolution by unanimous consent, and there was no roll call vote.

Rep. Steve Israel, D-N.Y., who co-sponsored the resolution with Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla., called the Hamas attacks "unprovoked and unwarranted."

"Israel is one of America's most important and loyal friends. As the world has watched the unrest and tension reach a new height over the last several days with rockets fired into Israel by Hamas, we remain supportive of Israel's right to combat these terrorist acts," Cole said.

Fox News' Chad Pergram contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/11/house-approves-resolution-backing-israel-right-to-defend-itself-against-hamas/?intcmp=latestnews

and the zionist jews want to turn us all into their slaveswithout saying it to our faces.look at their history prior to ww1 and 2.
the christian churches brainwash us into believing the jew is our friend.

so death or slavery are our choices so i go for death for both.

And let us not forget how the Islamic Arab world has advanced.

Quote
When Muhammad, the Prophet of Islam, died in 632 the new religion had already gathered a number of impressive victories on the battlefield. The armies of Islam quickly and easily conquered the Arabian peninsula before moving on to take the homelands of their various neighbours. Marching out of Arabia in 639 they entered non-Arab Egypt; 43 years later they reached the shores of the Atlantic; and in 711 they invaded Spain. In just 70 years they had subdued the whole of North Africa, instituting a new order. This conquest, from the Nile to the Atlantic, was more complete than anything achieved by previous invaders and the changes it wrought proved permanent. http://www.historytoday.com/eamonn-gearon/arab-invasions-first-islamic-empire   

This is the advancement of Sharia Law. How will that ever fit
in todays world where western women are Senators, and Chancellors,
and Queens?

Taking the land out of the picture, one must ask how does it benefit
the world to embrace a very backwards, repressive  Islamic religion? 

i agree bts with you point,but slavery is not an option either.the jews controlled the media in germany prior to the wars.just as they do now.using it to steer the populace towards depravity,and to manipulate governance by biasing the msm towards certain pro israel candidates.
ever notice how many websites ban discussion of israels evils by using the term anti semetic like the olbummer administration uses racism as a catch all rebuttal.

i was reading a thread at lop about why switzerland never gets picked on and has the highest standard of living.most folks in the know said it had alot to do with them basically being agnostic or atheist.
the more religion the united states has the more trouble the country is in for.

its by training us to be intolerable of acts.to train us to be judgemental.like the drug war.

if religion cant be banned then death is the only option,otherwise we shall have more plagues like communism was to macarthy and the drug war is the usa.fanatisism cost a country its wealth.

personally i think the priorities of a country or region should be compassion first and science second.

in the past i was a religious zealot.i lived on the border of suicide and confusion.
once i turned my back on it,ive had more peace in my life than i ever had before.
deny real ignorance.lol

i also think this is staged for armageddon.it has the markings.
yesterday a draft notice went out to  people in pennsylvania born from 1893-1897.
this was a typo at selective service.it was meant for  1993-1997.

why would they be sending out draft notices.some would say its a test run.getting the machine warmed up.
remember the ss office got armed by olbummer as well as the post office.plus you got politicians saying our military is weak and our billion dollar planes are grounded.
our ships are in port just like at pearl.
the stage is being set and the pawns are being placed.the lead and mercury have been hoarded.the food stores are stocked.the mraps have been placed to defend the draft.the immigrant teens will make great fodder when operation get behind the darky begins.as most are around seventeen and will be primed when nobody will hire them because of language and lack of skills.
israel will be nuked by isis and the religious nuts will not need to be drafted.they will sign up for the war by the millions.hoping they are the raptured,which russia and china will gladly aid them in.the rich will hide in the bunkers as the religious zealot ash falls like snow from the sky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X4JCPckWgY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X4JCPckWgY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X4JCPckWgY)



A good BBC documentary on the history of the area from all sides, that includes a lot of information not generally known about the history,

...but it also excludes information that is generally known that is very relevant to the situation.

Ah well. Educate yourself from various sources to achieve a balanced perspective.


At the end of the day it all boils down to fighting over 'holy land'.

Is there a shortage of real estate in the middle east that the Arabs could live on?

Or how about land the Jews could live on?


Or course not. There are vast uninhabited territories in the region that either or both could live on, nowhere near each other.

But they don't want THAT land, they want the HOLY land.

Nothing else will do.



I would also like to commend the UN on the genius of awarding Jews an official homeland smack dab in the middle of all the Arab countries.

What could possibly go wrong?


::)

just go to walmart and look at the foods that would be supplied in war:
they are labeled Great Value.GV,i call that gov.
because im a cheapskate,i buy these products.right now its dehydrated coffee and cheese and raisins.these are leftovers after the gov gets its bunker allotment.the leftover is sold to the general public .this sign is how i know its coming.i think i read that peanuts store for 15 years.the peanuts i bought were from five years ago.so less than ten years left for the big one.
the ammo olbummer bought was enough for a war plus it keeps the kids from going out and getting skilled on cheap ammo.this keeps civil war from breaking out during the draft.but it also shows that guns will not be the primary weapon.video gamers will be.drones created by the millions using 3d printers .

I sure am glad youre back, Robo, you have a keen eye for reality and the escalations of another religion based bout of conflict, and how the teens of today will be the cannon fodder of tomorrow in a apocalyptic scenario which is unfolding before our very eyes right now.

Religion was created to control those who will not follow the elitist status quo, and it always will be the tool of the insane to mold and program the mindless masses who think in animalistic and primitive ways. Its too bad humanity as a whole fails to recognize the steps which are occurring now, to assemble a complete package of subdued populace, and an even more critically mindless mindset among the laity.

Each new incredible and absurd story such as the one surrounding these children is just a piece of the pie which will further enable the elitist factions to finally make their move and fulfill their sick prophecies of a slave planet full of blindsided religious occupants, who think that going to war like sheep to the slaughter is the way Jesus would want them to do it.

The Israel/Palestine battle will truly be a seed of doom in the new world of war, even though the area likely will be turned to slag if the battle rages on but a few more years.

Humanity and its inability to think for itself as a whole will eventually be its undoing...one controversial tool of a news story at a time until the pot runneth over and we all become victims of our apathy and subsequent failure to be the masters of our own minds and cultures....the new Atlantis, perhaps?

The Head Honcho of the Universe stated what the boarders of Israel were to be over two thousand years ago, , , , , go ahead and argue all yah wants too, , , , I'll be over there smoking a big fattie and watching the show, , ,  ;D

Read your BIBLES

Quote from: Norval on July 12, 2014, 03:30:07 PM
The Head Honcho of the Universe stated what the boarders of Israel were to be over two thousand years ago, , , , , go ahead and argue all yah wants too, , , , I'll be over there smoking a big fattie and watching the show, , ,  ;D

Read your BIBLES

Puff,Puff,Pass, right Norval?  8)

Read the bible.

Great advice indeed, amigo. Gold for you and Robo today.

Sadly, the issue may not be failing to read the bible for most, but understanding it as they read it and discern nothing but the latest quagmire of so called "scholarly translations" of that horribly disfigured and woefully mutated book of the Hebrew people's viewpoints on THEIR own history.

Ham anyone? ;)

If I may share a favorite tome from a time gone by, to help those who dont clearly see the forest through the trees, I offer this.....sure, it may not touch on more recent dna and genetic marker research, yet it does not fall prey to current (20th/21st century) bastardizations which are so prevalent in the minds of modern religious followers.

Preadamites by Alexander Winchell

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL7139797M/Preadamites

The knowledge is there for those who do as Norval has suggested...read the bible-but only as a singular tool in a massive toolbox for the mind.

After reading the classics such as this one, many a religious person has jettisoned their dumbed down understanding of such a creation as this tiny planet of miniscule and insignificant lifeforms in the entire picture of the so called universe, in favor of a humble viewpoint of our ever so small speck of occupation here on Earth.

Segmented into factions which take to war, although our dna is identical, and hence the mindless and insane perpetuate the disagreements with blood and tears.

As for the laity and mindless followers of post pleistocene pablum, they shall wallow in the simplistic desire to war with and kill one another for beliefs and ideals which are so clearly to the open minded individual not worth even lighting a fart over.

The Israel/Palestine conflict is just the latest in a long line of religious differences which serve to evacuate freethinking and occupy the minds of a pair of peoples who were cast into a pit to battle it out to the end over a half century ago by those doing as Robomont has stated...planning for the non-future of the region in the throes of instability and conflagratory irony.

But in this conflict we must remember religion is but one weapon used by those who wish to conquer and control. The great agenda is far more overreaching.

Like a smart kid on the playground getting two kids to fight for his viewing pleasure, Israel and Palestine are just patsies for the ultimate endgame of a sick world elite, who are now sitting back enjoying the show with a big bowl of popcorn, a gigantic soda and some Raisinets in a theater of insanity.

Roll the credits, and stick a fork in them, very possibly they both soon will be but a hazy memory on a land soiled by radiation and destruction.

Again.

Quote from: A51Watcher on July 12, 2014, 08:51:41 AM


I would also like to commend the UN on the genius of awarding Jews an official homeland smack dab in the middle of all the Arab countries.

What could possibly go wrong?


::)

Never has a more simply true statement been made....like placing hapless herring in a tank full of hungry mackerel......

Operation Protective Edge Day #5

IDF begins evacuating Gazans before stepped up air strikes.

The IDF has begun evacuating residents of northern Gaza, and other areas in the coastal enclave from which heavy and long-range rockets are being fired at Israel, ahead of a stepped-up campaign of air raids that will target Hamas leaders hiding under large residential buildings, a senior army source warned Saturday night.

"We are moving to a more significant case. Since the leaders are hiding under homes and using human shields, we are initiating the evacuation of civilians in Gaza before stepping up attacks. Until now, we've tried to use minimal force to lower civilian casualties. That explains how, even though we have hit 1300 targets, the civilian casualty rate is so low," the source said.

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/IDF-begins-evacuating-Gazans-before-stepped-up-air-strikes-362504

its easier to steal unoccupied land.now if israel is really caring ,they will adopt families from gaza but i bet they push them into palestine or somewhere else.

wish to make a bet on where israels heart really lies.

Robo, it is obvious where the Israeli hearts lie - they lie in the stopping of the arab/hamas terrorist's ambitions to destroy Israel. There would be no war going on over there if not for ongoing attacks by those who deny Israel's rights as a recognized country.

I was in Israel 20 years ago, and things aren't much different now, as was then. Continually, the muslim countries attack attack attack. The problem for the muslims is, Israel is far better prepared today for whoever might come against them than they were even back then. The people of Israel are peace-loving, but they will and do fight strongly against those who violate their country and their people.

However, I do strongly believe there is far more to the muslim & Israeli "wars" than simply the war itself. But then, that is for a discussion in the Spiritual board, and I am not getting into that. I will just say, the God of Israel is their strength, and they/HE does win in the end! And "the end" is playing out, over the years, before our very eyes! :)

  Hey rdunk, I just wanted to say THANK YOU.  I can't do anything but agree with this...

"Folks, this is an extremely serious situation that has been brewing for a long long time, and this could eventually lead to the involvement of many other countries, including the United States. There is much at stake for both, and it is likely neither will stop until in one or the other is in total defeat - and this could be/or is Israel against much of the muslim world."

  This too is a great statement.....

"Because of the seriousness of this situation, I believe it worthwhile for us to have a place here for status, updating, and reporting informationally the circumstances as this war continues. Small wars can be the fusing point of world wars. Right now we are on the sidelines, but very quickly that could change for all of us, wherever we live."

  It's great to be deep into and on top of the information that is available. Having a few different perspectives is always a good idea too. It gives us a better overall picture of what is really happening.  So we can make the best choices we can!
  Finding one's way through the maze of misinformation and alike is difficult to say the least. But with a thread like this and input from many minds we stand a better chance of figuring things out.
  May the human race get all the help it can, from wherever it may come from! A prayer can, if it is part of the will of the living universe, help greatly! The projected thoughts and feelings of the many can influence the thoughts and feelings of the rest.
  Leave us then to push ourselves to love one another as we love ourselves and never relent!

  If we don't try it, we'll never know if it works or not!
  Good luck to us all!

WhatTheHey (Gold 2 U)

WhatTheH, thanks for your comments, and I thank ALL for commenting. I simply started this OP, but it is for all of us to comment as we wish. Certainly we don't all agree on everything, but I would bet that we all agree that this "war" could very well affect all of us as it continues! And, it is pretty obvious, the muslim intent is to conquer the world for the muslim and sharia law - and that my friends is where all of this us headed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are many countries now who have come under such muslim domination, who were not muslim before. Are we next, wherever we are??????????

  You're welcome and.......I would like to add.....the TRICK is to survive without becoming what you despise!
The TREAT is knowing that even un-to death if we hold our believes true to our hearts, nothing can change us or drag us away from what we hold dear.
  It is my belief that the hearts and/or minds of us all, hold our future in a more tangible and reactionary way than we are aware of now.

Thanks again!

Great stuff.

WhatTheHey

I am not sure whether any country actually listens to what the UN says. Of course, as a country Israel is subject to listening to the UN, but hamas and other muslims are simply a bunch of people fighting with Israel, so I guess they are actually not subject to the whims of the UN. :)

UN calls for Israeli-Palestinian cease-fire

The U.N. Security Council called Saturday for a cease-fire in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict centered on the Gaza Strip.

A council statement approved by all 15 members calls for de-escalation of the violence, restoration of calm and a resumption of direct negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians aimed at achieving a comprehensive peace agreement based on a two-state solution.

The statement calls for "the reinstitution of the November 2012 cease-fire" brokered by Egypt, but gives no time frame for when it should take effect.

Palestinian U.N. envoy, Riyad Mansour, said the Palestinians' understanding is that the cease-fire should go into effect immediately.

He said the Palestinians will be watching closely to see if the Israelis respond to the council's call, stressing that if they don't "we have a lot of tools in our arsenal."


More:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/12/israel-strikes-gaza-mosque-believed-to-be-hiding-weapons-as-death-toll-tops-120/?intcmp=latestnews

Gaza genocide and criminal rogue Israel

QuoteThere are 147 articles of the Fourth Geneva Convention that were supposed to protect the Al-Sammounis and everyone else in Gaza. And if you look at all of the human rights reports that have been produced on Gaza, you will see that Israel has violated almost each and every one of these 147 articles of the Fourth Geneva Convention with respect to the civilian population of Gaza such as the Al-Sammounis.

Now, Israel has maintained that it is no longer the occupying power in Gaza and therefore is not bound by the Fourth Geneva Convention and the 1907 Hague Regulations because it withdrew its troops from Gaza. That does not change the situation legally. They are dead wrong. Professor Richard Falk, the Special Rapporteur for Palestine, appointed by the UN Human Rights Council itself had said, "No, this is nonsense, Israel is still the occupying power in Gaza." His predecessor, Professor John Dugard of South Africa, has also taken for the same position.  The International Committee of Red Cross has taken the same position.  Why is that the case?

But clearly it is Israel that exercises control over Gaza. They bomb it. They artillery shell it. They attack it. They invade it at will. So, of course, they exercise control over Gaza, and for that reason, they remain the belligerent occupant of Gaza subject to the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 that protects all the civilians in Gaza, and the Hague Regulation of 1907 that also protects the land and the environment of Gaza as well as to some extent, the civilians. So, this is the legal regime applicable to Gaza.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/11/370869/gaza-genocide-and-criminal-rogue-israel/

Operation Protective Edge day #6

This war continues! Neither side listens to the UN, as is no surprise. Israel did not initiate this conflict, but they likely will not stop until it is finished.

Israel deploys ground troops in Gaza

Israel warned residents of the northern part of the Gaza Strip to evacuate their homes before briefly deploying ground troops there for the first time early Sunday as part of a widening offensive that has killed more than 160 Palestinians.

Neither Israel nor Palestinian militants show signs of agreeing to a cease-fire to end their weeklong conflict, despite calls by the United Nations Security Council and others that they lay down their arms. With Israel massing tanks and soldiers at Gaza's borders, some fear the latest Israeli threats could signal a wider ground offensive that would bring even heavier casualties than the 166 Palestinian deaths already registered.

"All our ground forces are ready," a senior Israeli military official said Sunday. "We have been training for this. We will exploit our ability the moment a decision is made to do so."

Early Sunday, Israeli naval commandos launched a brief raid into northern Gaza to destroy what the military described as a rocket-launching site, an operation it said left four of its soldiers slightly wounded.

The Israeli air force later dropped leaflets warning residents to evacuate their homes ahead of what Israel's military spokesman described as a "short and temporary" campaign against northern Gaza to begin sometime after 12 p.m. (0900 GMT). The area is home to at least 100,000 people.

It was not clear whether the possible attack would be confined to stepped-up airstrikes or whether it might include a sizeable ground offensive -- something that Israel has so far been reluctant to undertake.

More:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/13/israel-strikes-gaza-as-un-calls-for-cease-fire/

A little recent history on this fight with hamas!

Operation Cast Lead

In response to a sharp increase in the number and frequency of rocket attacks into Israel prior to and following the expiration of Hamas' agreed period of "calm" on December 19, 2008, the Israeli Air Force launched Operation Cast Lead, consisting initially of airstrikes on December 27 against Hamas security installations, personnel, and other facilities in the Gaza Strip, followed on January 3 by ground operations. Hostilities between Israeli forces and Hamas fighters continued through January 18, and the Israeli withdrawal of troops was completed on 21 January 2009.


And then Cast Lead 2 began for the same reasons, as Israel struck back harshly against the continuing hamas rocket attacks.

Anyone interested in reading more about the history of these continuing attacks on Israel, and the resulting "Cast Lead" conflicts, there is much in this link.

What would any of us want to do, if we were often and continually being shelled by terrorist rocket attacks??

http://history.wikia.com/wiki/Cast_lead

LE, could you expand upon what you mean by "post pleistocene pablum"?

Pleis·to·cene  [plahy-stuh-seen]  Show IPA Geology .
adjective

1.noting or pertaining to the epoch forming the earlier half of the Quaternary Period, beginning about two million years ago and ending 10,000 years ago, characterized by widespread glacial ice.

I am not sure how your statement relates to anything relative to this OP??

It started in Russia, then Germany and now middle east. Ironic the similarities to what we had seen in Nazi Germany to the Zionist operating procedure in Israel now.

QuoteBut wait a minute here, recent genetic research shows conclusively that Israeli's have no ancient Hebrew Blood.

Recent peer reviewed John Hopkins genetic research has shown most Israelis have no ancient Hebrew Blood at all, but are Khazarians or Ashkenazis and that most Palestinians DO have ancient Hebrew Blood. These finding fit with historical documents which have been suppressed for many years but are now being pulled from older European libraries and carefully studied.

The implications of this recent John Hopkins genetic research on Israelis are astounding and clearly suggest that the real Semites are Palestinians, while the World's biggest Anti-Semites are the Israelis.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/12/world-to-israel-stop-the-mass-murder-of-palestinians-now/

The borders handed to the zionist in 1947 are not the borders occupied by israel today. We clearly see an expansion on zionist land grab strangle hold on the middle east and palestine.

It's obvious when you wake up to the reality of who is being exterminated.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/12/world-to-israel-stop-the-mass-murder-of-palestinians-now/

Gigas, you posted this link. I would say that most people have enough knowledge to know this is no where near the truth in most of what is said. It is so easy to see it for what it really is! It is nothing but a pro palestinian anti Israeli diatribe that has no basis in fact!

I don't care if Preston James is a PhD (post hole digger), many of his statements are purely broad assumptions at best, with very obvious anti Israeli bias intended.

Irony indeed, Gigas.

Well, well, well.

Quote from: rdunk on July 13, 2014, 09:29:17 PM
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/12/world-to-israel-stop-the-mass-murder-of-palestinians-now/

Gigas, you posted this link. I would say that most people have enough knowledge to know this is no where near the truth in most of what is said. It is so easy to see it for what it really is! It is nothing but a pro palestinian anti Israeli diatribe that has no basis in fact!

I don't care if Preston James is a PhD (post hole digger), many of his statements are purely broad assumptions at best, with very obvious anti Israeli bias intended.

I guess the questions We should ask are:  who did the tests, when, with what, how, and what are the data, both raw and processed?  It is irrelevant to the tests what the outlet's goals might be.

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 13, 2014, 10:25:51 PM
I guess the questions We should ask are:  who did the tests, when, with what, how, and what are the data, both raw and processed?  It is irrelevant to the tests what the outlet's goals might be.

I haven't read it (I am watching the soccer World Cup final ;D ), but look here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people#DNA_and_genetic_studies).

Edit: and here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews#Comparison_with_the_genetic_heritage_of_non-Jewish_populations).

Quote from: ArMaP on July 13, 2014, 10:32:52 PM
I haven't read it (I am watching the soccer World Cup final ;D )

Ah, ArMaP, Thou partakest in the circuses They provide.  [grin]

And now that I have more data, thanks for the links, ArMaP.  So...  It IS Wikipedia, but the info seems valid.  I give high probability to it's being true that the Palestinians "have the blood."  I just wish Humans would get over Their obsession about blood and move on to cherishing Consciousness, regardless of package.

Quote from: rdunk on July 13, 2014, 09:29:17 PM
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/12/world-to-israel-stop-the-mass-murder-of-palestinians-now/

Gigas, you posted this link. I would say that most people have enough knowledge to know this is no where near the truth in most of what is said. It is so easy to see it for what it really is! It is nothing but a pro palestinian anti Israeli diatribe that has no basis in fact!

I don't care if Preston James is a PhD (post hole digger), many of his statements are purely broad assumptions at best, with very obvious anti Israeli bias intended.

Now that's curious.

I often find those who don't want to know will pretend they do know and refute any cross fire input to the otherwise, obvious. No matter how many links, how many opinions or how much truth to the matter, its never enough and thusly, wrong, denied, totally absurd, rediculed and fabricated.

That revelation as to who is who there in the gaza has been around for a long time and it's nothing new, as told by many sources.

Ya know, you and thor got you a good game of ping pong going here.

Quote from: Gigas on July 13, 2014, 11:16:15 PM

Now that's curious.

I often find those who don't want to know will pretend they do know and refute any cross fire input to the otherwise, obvious. No matter how many links, how many opinions or how much truth to the matter, its never enough and thusly, wrong, denied, totally absurd, rediculed and fabricated.

That revelation as to who is who there in the gaza has been around for a long time and it's nothing new, as told by many sources.

Ya know, you and thor got you a good game of ping pong going here.

Yes Gigas you are right. If you spend time looking, the world is full of those whose lives are being spent trying to discredit the people of Israel the Jews. And many of them are the war-faring muslims, and their supporters. When one simply looks at the words used by Preston James, his over-reaching bias toward the Jews and Israel is sooooooo evident. I learned a long time ago, on whatever the subject, to not be bothered by the such like.

If you love the hamas/palestinians and hate the Jews, that is just fine with me. But, I have been around a long time, and I know a lot, so I know when B/S about what is purportedly fact relative to this subject is being put forth.  The hamas/palestinians have a plan to destroy Israel, and they do everything they can do to get the help they need to do that. But if they continue shooting rockets into Israel...................... they will all likely be annihilated.

QuoteIf you love the hamas/palestinians and hate the Jews

Don't back pedal now. I indicated neither. That was your call.

Operation Protective Edge Day #7

The Israeli hamas war continues, with more hamas rockets and more airstrikes by the IAF.

Israel's operation against Hamas is aimed at restoring quiet, not to topple Hamas, a senior military source said Sunday.

Sustained rocket fire from Gaza continued throughout Sunday, and the Israel Air Force struck some 100 targets across the Strip.

On Sunday evening, five rockets were intercepted over Ashdod, and sirens rang out in Modi'in and Jerusalem.

Some 80 rockets were shot at Israel throughout the day, and Iron Dome intercepted 13 incoming projectiles heading to built-up areas.

The IDF has begun alerting tens of thousands of residents in northern Gaza to vacate the area ahead of more intensive IAF attacks on rocket launchers and commanders there, a senior army source said Sunday. The IDF on Saturday dropped leaflets in the area urging residents to leave their homes in preparation for air strikes.

"This is a place that fires significantly more rockets than other areas. We plan to increase our attacks," the source said.

Hamas and representatives of various national and Islamic groups on Sunday called on residents of the northern Gaza Strip to ignore the IDF calls to leave their homes.

A statement issued by the groups said the residents should remain in their homes to prevent Israel from achieving its goals and targeting the "resistance."

Despite the appeal, thousands of Palestinians fled their homes in the past 24 hours.

UNRWA spokesman Chris Gunness said thousands of terrified people fleeing the fighting have taken refuge in UNRWA installations.

More:
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/IAF-intensifies-strikes-as-rocket-barrage-continues-362656

Stay calm, polite, and carry on.

8)

Quote from: rdunk on July 13, 2014, 08:41:14 PM
LE, could you expand upon what you mean by "post pleistocene pablum"?

Pleis·to·cene  [plahy-stuh-seen]  Show IPA Geology .
adjective

1.noting or pertaining to the epoch forming the earlier half of the Quaternary Period, beginning about two million years ago and ending 10,000 years ago, characterized by widespread glacial ice.

I am not sure how your statement relates to anything relative to this OP??

Hehe, yes my reply was a bit of thread, in response to other off thread comments...my bad..

post pleistocene pablum...religion of the holocene and later eras.....mainly theism and deity and idol worship in general.....

God is not as is perceived by post pleistocene man....thats all.

But rest assured I do know there is a source of all of this greater than we can imagine..and thats the issue, mankind tries to imagine it..hence inventions such as religion.

Cheers.

Aaaaand........jew or muslim......I will not blame anyone for being used by a hgher power....
There is evil in all men......

Really?  Evil in all Humans?  I can't find Mine...  Hmmmm.

I say there is a promotion of evil behaviors in a scarcity paradigm that uses the dangerous tool of money, but I surely believe that if such money and power were not an option for anyOne, We would not be motivated to such behaviors as a rule.  Any few who might choose bad behavior "just because" - well, They are sick, not evil per se.

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 14, 2014, 07:34:09 PM
Really?  Evil in all Humans?  I can't find Mine...  Hmmmm.

I say there is a promotion of evil behaviors in a scarcity paradigm that uses the dangerous tool of money, but I surely believe that if such money and power were not an option for anyOne, We would not be motivated to such behaviors as a rule.  Any few who might choose bad behavior "just because" - well, They are sick, not evil per se.

Well of course not, Amy, youre not a man! ;)

Everyone has both gender and polarity, evil is one half oft suppressed by those like yourself who are strong of mind.

Who is it that originated the chase for money?

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 14, 2014, 07:34:09 PM
Really?  Evil in all Humans?  I can't find Mine...  Hmmmm.

He said 'Men' Amy, I'd just let him have that one.  ;D aha.

Quote from: Littleenki on July 14, 2014, 03:10:23 PM
There is evil in all men......

We just have to know how to control it. :)

Quote from: ArMaP on July 14, 2014, 09:34:58 PM
We just have to know how to control it. :)

"For me", all evil is related to/a major part of the "spiritual" world we are a part of, and that is why it is not generally controllable by man .........but then that is something that can only be discussed in that other forum board! :)

Quote from: Littleenki on July 14, 2014, 08:18:15 PM
Well of course not, Amy, youre not a man! ;)

Everyone has both gender and polarity, evil is one half oft suppressed by those like yourself who are strong of mind.

Who is it that originated the chase for money?

Well, I surely don't feel like I am suppressing anything.  I can put Myself in the viewpoint of a psychopath, but I FEEL none of it.  Just see and understand the motivation.

As far as the advent of money, I am unclear who it was that thought We should use it on this planet, but it seems to have been initiated specifically for its control functions. 

This is just another sad chapter in the book of Israeli atrocities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfRyXnKbpaQ

http://www.nogw.com/israeliatrocities.html (http://www.nogw.com/israeliatrocities.html)

>:(

Quote from: Ellirium113 on July 15, 2014, 12:32:27 AM
This is just another sad chapter in the book of Israeli atrocities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfRyXnKbpaQ

http://www.nogw.com/israeliatrocities.html (http://www.nogw.com/israeliatrocities.html)

>:(

The atrocity is..........hamas has brought this upon themselves and the people through their own original and continuing actions, no ifs ands nor buts about it. When hamas quits firing rockets, Israel will stop - unless they have decided to take hamas completely out, and they probably can do that if they want to!

What I see is a lot of revenge tit-for-tat retaliations back and forth for decades all the while the Palestinian territories shrink. A foreign invader has taken over their lands and they are supposed to do what about it exactly? What country has come to their aid? Superficial beliefs and doctrine have created this mess with neither side able to compromise a peaceful co-existence. You may blame who you like for this but what started all the fighting in the beginning really? Where do you see it ending? In peace?

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5ynDEhvNJv0/UON-A2jFkdI/AAAAAAAAAD0/a_XsfGLwuN0/s1600/israel-palestine_map_19225_2469.jpg)

What documents are you using that defines any country at anytime as Palestine? Everything I find says there has never been a country called "Palestine"! is it like the Indians with different tribes that just lived on the land, but never was a country? Palestinian tribes/nomads??

What part of today's Israel did Israel not win by war?? When you win it, it belongs to you. Such is life! :)

Seems that different groups are trying to bring about a cease fire, but to no avail yet. This war could go on for a long time!

In some of the latest news - "Armed wing of Hamas reportedly rejects Egypt's Gaza cease-fire offer, calling it 'submission' ".

The armed wing of the Islamic militant group Hamas said early Tuesday that it was rejecting an Egyptian cease-fire proposal aimed at ending a week of cross-border conflict.

Reuters reported that the al-Qassam Brigades announced on its official website that its members had not received the text of the proposed cease-fire agreement, but said excerpts reported in the media proved it to be "an initiative of kneeling and submission."

"Our battle with the enemy continues, and will increase in ferocity and intensity," the statement added.

Meanwhile, the Israeli military says 3 rockets were fired at the southern city of Eilat early Tuesday, injuring two people and sparking a fire. The military did not immediately know who was behind the rocket fire. Previous rocket attacks on the city have come from radical Islamic militants in the neighboring Sinai Peninsula.

The reported statement would appear to contradict Ismail Haniyeh, Hamas' top leader in Gaza, who confirmed there was "diplomatic movement" in a speech broadcast Monday on Al-Jazeera.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was scheduled to convene his Security Cabinet early Tuesday to discuss the offer. One member, Naftali Bennett, said he would oppose the proposal, calling it "good for Hamas and bad for Israel."

Egypt's Foreign Ministry announced the three-step plan starting at 9 a.m. (2 a.m. Eastern Time) Tuesday with a cease-fire to go into effect within 12 hours of "unconditional acceptance" by the two sides. That would be followed by the opening of Gaza's border crossings and talks in Cairo between the sides within two days, according to the statement.

Gaza's crossings should be opened for people and goods "once the security situation becomes stable," according to a copy of the proposal obtained by The Associated Press.

President Barack Obama praised Egypt's proposal, telling Muslim-Americans that he's hopeful the plan can restore calm.

"We're going to continue to do everything we can to facilitate a return to the 2012 cease-fire," Obama said at a White House dinner Monday night celebrating the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. "We are encouraged that Egypt has made a proposal to accomplish that goal."

More:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/15/armed-wing-hamas-reportedly-rejects-egypt-gaza-cease-fire-offer-calling-it/

Despite ongoing rocket fire and Hamas rejection, Israel security cabinet debating ceasefire
The Egyptian government on Monday evening proposed a cease-fire between Israel and the Palestinian groups in the Gaza Strip, according to which the two sides would end "hostilities" as of 9 a.m.on Tuesday.

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu convened the security cabinet early Tuesday morning to discuss the proposal.

However, Hamas's armed wing rejected the Egyptian ceasefire proposal as "surrender and capitulation" and vowed to continue fighting.

Diplomatic officials said that Netanyahu was expected to encourage the other seven members of the security cabinet to accept the proposal, which would return the situation in Gaza to what it was before Operation Protective Edge began a week ago. Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman and Economy Minister are expected to oppose the proposal in the security cabinet, but are unlikely to be able to prevent the forum from accepting it.

Some 48 hours after the cease fire goes into effect, Egypt is to convene representatives of both Israel and Hamas for further negotiations.

One diplomatic official said that the cease fire would be returned to what it was last Sunday, but "with Hamas much weaker."

"The effectiveness of their rockets have been neutralized, their storehouses and manufacturing capabilities have been hit, and they have been caused deep frustration because of the effectiveness of Iron Dome," he said.

In addition, he said, Hamas failed in its effort to carry out attacks by land air and sea, and is at a low point in public opinion in Judea and Samaria, the international community, the Arab world and even inside Gaza.

"The goals of the operation were to restore quiet for a long period of time, and that goal has been achieved.," he said. "The bottom line is that Hamas did not hit Israel to the degree it thought it would, and – on the other hand – its power was weakened."

Israel, the official said, would now work in the international arena for the dismantling of rockets and the closing of tunnels.

The proposal states that Israel would end all "hostilities in the Gaza Strip from the land, air, and sea and would refrain from launching a ground offensive that targets civilians."

President Barack Obama said he was encouraged by Egypt's proposal for a ceasefire and sided with Israel against what he called "inexcusable attacks."



More:
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Despite-ongoing-rockets-fire-security-cabinet-to-debate-on-ceasefire-362806

Quote from: rdunk on July 15, 2014, 04:50:12 AM
What part of today's Israel did Israel not win by war?? When you win it, it belongs to you. Such is life! :)

Then I suppose the Hamas is using the "right" way.

Official country or not, Ellirium's graphic is basically a how to manual on genocidal land grabs.....

Quote from: Amaterasu on July 15, 2014, 12:24:28 AM
Well, I surely don't feel like I am suppressing anything.  I can put Myself in the viewpoint of a psychopath, but I FEEL none of it.  Just see and understand the motivation.

As far as the advent of money, I am unclear who it was that thought We should use it on this planet, but it seems to have been initiated specifically for its control functions.

All kidding aside, look into this expose, past the somewhat fruity bits, for facts that share with us who invented usury...

http://www.reformation.org/moneychangers.html

of course, as for money proper as coins and tender, it was the bullheads...the Phoenicians.... who brought money about in such form....this time.

Barter, as wonderful as it seems, was basically using animals land or other tangible goods for exchange, but it was and is still using such "money" as a tool.

Once humans decided they had the rights to anything, rock, paper or scissors, that is where the greed and chase began.

We are victims of our forefather's quest for power and control, indeed, yet as modern humanity, we cannot survive without money...unless of course you wish to live off of berries in the park and sit on a bench there all day reading Eckhart Tolle quotes.

Well, yes We can live without money.  It's just that it takes a paradigm shift and many working together to make it happen.  [smile]

The Egyptian cease fire proposal was outright rejected by Hamas as they were not even privy to the terms of the agreement with Israel. Continued attacks from Gaza have resulted in their 1st Israeli casualty from a mortar no less. This should incur a heavy handed response from Israel.

QuoteIn an evening address aired live on TV, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that after Hamas' rejection of the truce, Israel had "no choice" but to respond more forcefully.
"Hamas chose to continue fighting and will pay the price for that decision," he said. "When there is no ceasefire, our answer is fire."

Over 190 Palestinians have been killed from Israeli responses since July 8th vs. 1 Israeli most of the casualties being civilians from collateral damage.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hamas-mortar-kills-1st-israeli-in-renewed-gaza-conflict-1.2707102 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hamas-mortar-kills-1st-israeli-in-renewed-gaza-conflict-1.2707102)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-accepts-truce-plan-hamas-balks/2014/07/15/04373008-0bf5-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-accepts-truce-plan-hamas-balks/2014/07/15/04373008-0bf5-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html)

Here is a chronology of disproportionate attacks on Gaza:
http://webapps.aljazeera.net/aje/custom/2014/gazaunderattack/index.html (http://webapps.aljazeera.net/aje/custom/2014/gazaunderattack/index.html)

From the Jerusalem Post, 07/16/2014

Hamas proposes 10-year cease-fire in return for conditions being met

Hamas demands release of Schalit deal prisoners who were re-arrested, the opening of Gaza border crossings

One day after an Egyptian-brokered cease-fire accepted by Israel, but rejected by Hamas, fell through, the terrorist organization proposed a 10-year end to hostilities in return for its conditions being met by Israel, Channel 2 reported Wednesday.

Hamas's conditions were the release of re-arrested Palestinian prisoners who were let go in the Schalit deal, the opening of Gaza-Israel border crossings in order to allow citizens and goods to pass through, and international supervision of the Gazan seaport in place of the current Israeli blockade.

Former Balad MK Azmi Bishara  presented the group's conditions on Al Jazeera on Wednesday.

Bishara, who fled Israel in 2007 after he was accused of aiding Hezbollah during the Second Lebanon War, estimated that the escalation would end within the next two days. He also accused Israel of agreeing to Tuesday's short-lived cease-fire in order to legitimize further air strikes on Gaza after Hamas rejected the plan.

He said that Palestinian factions had been in talks with international authorities who would have accepted the terms Hamas has set forth, but the Egyptian initiative, which favored Israel and ignored the goals of the "Palestinian resistance," brought all negotiations to a halt.

Bishara, who currently lives in Qatar, contended that Egypt's shared interests with Israel and conflict of interest with Hamas prevented it from being an effective negotiator.

Instead, Bishara recommended that Turkey and Qatar, along with the US and other Western powers, lead the negotiations between Hamas and Israel.

On Tuesday, Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said that the Islamist group had not received an official cease-fire proposal, and he repeated its position that demands it has made must be met before it lays down its weapons.

Hamas's armed wing, the Kassam Brigades, rejected the reported text of the truce deal, saying: "Our battle with the enemy continues and will increase in ferocity and intensity."


http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/What-are-Hamass-conditions-for-a-cease-fire-363011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqKu5rSTyP8

The Jerusalem Post 7/16/2014

Israel calls up an additional 8,000 reservists for Gaza operation

The IDF has already called up 48,000 reserves, bringing the total number to 56,000, once the additional forces are called up. Benny Gantz
IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Benny Gantz, June 24, 2014. Photo: IDF SPOKESMAN'S OFFICE
The cabinet on Wednesday authorized the call-up of 8,000 additional reservists to assist in the military operations along the Gaza frontier.

The IDF has already called up 48,000 reserves, bringing the total number to 56,000, once the additional forces are called up.

Last week, the IDF began actively calling up the 40,000 reserves approved to it by the cabinet for Operation Protective Edge.

IDF chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Benny Gantz requested the call-up of 40,000 reserves in order to replace conscripted forces in the West Bank, and enable their deployment to the Gaza border.

The cabinet approved the request and the IDF has already begun issuing reserve notices.

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu gave no indication of whether the campaign was nearing its end or whether Israel is on the verge of a ground operation.

Netanyahu on Wednesday repeated his position that "Israel will continue to do what it needs to do to defend itself until peace and quiet are restored."

The premier spoke at a joint news conference with Italian Foreign Minister Federica Mogherini at the Knesset on Wednesday.

Netanyahu called on the international community to condemn Hamas for committing the "double war crime" of firing on Israeli civilians and using Palestinian noncombatants as human shields. He also said that the "most important step for the international community to insist on" is "the demilitarization of Gaza."

The premier noted that while Israel accepted the Egyptian ceasefire proposal, Hamas rejected it.

Turning to the Italian foreign minister, Netanyahu said, "Imagine in Rome, Florence, and Milan were rocketed. You wouldn't accept that. You'd fight back. Those firing the rockets aren't seeking a political solution."

Mogherini commended Netanyahu for accepting the ceasefire while calling on both sides to refrain from civilian casualties. She also expressed concern for the humanitarian situation in Gaza.

Thanks Ellirium, it is good to have some humor in this continuing sad situation!!

What is really sad about this is that as long as terrorists remain alive, as terrorists, there will be wars and killings, as is happening with this war. Of course who the terrorists are is this war depends upon individual thought and view.

As I said earlier, my concern is that this war may not stay contained to just these two factions, and could summarily involve many countries. I am a bit surprised that some of the area countries that have similar thoughts to hamas relative to Israel haven't become more directly involved already.

Aside from the fact that "terrorists" are manufactured, and always "the other side" are "terrorists" (the Brits prolly though the US patriots were "terrorists..."), I guess it's a problem of "terrorists..."   ::)

The thing I don't like about all of this is that innocent lives are being lost. It is no longer clear if this is a "holy war", a "revenge war" or if this is being spearheaded by 2 individuals on each side with conflicting ideals.

QuoteNetanyahu called on the international community to condemn Hamas for committing the "double war crime" of firing on Israeli civilians and using Palestinian noncombatants as human shields. He also said that the "most important step for the international community to insist on" is "the demilitarization of Gaza."

The continued demonization of both sides and coining phrases like "using human shields" when in reality it is simply a densely populated area from which they are stuck in to fight from only adds to the frustration of the conflict.

QuoteWhat is really sad about this is that as long as terrorists remain alive, as terrorists, there will be wars and killings, as is happening with this war.

This is a good point rdunk, and mass media will help ensure there will always be terrorists. Those that may have started off labeled as "separatists" become "resistance fighters" or "freedom fighters" which get spun into "rebels" or "insurgents" which then get spun into "terrorists". One only needs to go through a half dozen news stories to see how the media has transformed the Russian speaking victims of the Ukrainian conflict to see this in action.

i agree EL,

Israel agrees to UN request for five-hour cease-fire in Gaza

Israel on Wednesday accepted a UN proposal for a five-hour unilateral humanitarian pause in the fighting to allow for relief aid into Gaza, less than two days after it accepted a more comprehensive cease-fire proposal that was answered by continuous rocket attacks from Gaza.

Hamas followed suit and also agreed to the humanitarian pause in the fighting around midnight on Wednesday.

UN Middle East envoy Robert Serry turned to Maj.-Gen. Yoav "Poly" Mordechai – Israel's coordinator of government activities in the territories – with the request. A UN spokesman said if Israel agreed, Serry would call on "groups in Gaza to respect the pause."

IDF sources said the lull in the fighting would go into effect on Thursday at 10 a.m.

The development came as Israel continued to delay a much discussed ground incursion into the Gaza Strip so it could gauge the direction intensive efforts in Cairo and elsewhere were taking to resuscitate the cease-fire plan Hamas rejected on Tuesday.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas held talks in Cairo on Wednesday, as did Quartet envoy Tony Blair, in an effort to come up with a package that would be acceptable to both sides.

Abbas met with Hamas official Musa Abu Marzouk, and Egypt, Qatar, Turkey, and even Tunisia and France were reportedly involved in efforts to quell the violence.

Even as these efforts were under way, Israel sent a message that a ground operation was very much on the table, approving the mobilization of another 8,000 reservists to join the 48,000 who have already been called up since the start of Operation Protective Edge.

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu – in conversations on Tuesday with the mayors of Ashkelon, Ashdod and Rishon Lezion – said Israel would "use as much force as necessary to restore the quiet."

In addition, during a public statement before a meeting with visiting Italian Foreign Minister Federica Mogherini, Netanyahu said that at this point Hamas had closed the door on diplomacy, and Israel was intent on returning fire with more intensive fire.

"We've been trying to find a solution to this problem," he said, stressing that Israel accepted on Tuesday the Egyptian-brokered plan that was endorsed by UN Secretary- General Ban Ki-moon and the Arab League.

"Israel accepted the cease-fire, Hamas rejected it," the prime minister said. "We held our fire for six hours, and during that time Hamas continued to barrage our cities with rockets. Hamas thus shut the door to a diplomatic solution and it therefore bears the sole responsibility for the continuation of the violence. It's responsible for the civilian deaths, the innocent deaths of Palestinians that it uses as human shields, and it's responsible for the deaths of Israeli civilians and the terror rocketing of Israeli civilians."

More:
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Israel-calls-up-additional-8000-reservists-for-Gaza-operation-363053

Did anyone else read the arms anouncement yesterday. No wonder Israeli is not worried. The US has pre-positioned 1,000,000,000 $ in weapons there that they can use within 2 to 3 hours notice and a sign off from the president of the US. When you are sitting on a billion dollars of tanks, missiles, bullets and so. would you worry? Your tax dollars hard at work.

"a how to manual on genocidal land grabs", seems Putin and China are reading the book also.

Quote from: rdunk on July 10, 2014, 04:58:43 PM
Israel is a close friend of the United States, and in spite of the "footsie" being played by this administration, the US will be in support of Israel. There will be other countries supporting the Palestinian Terrorists, and there is no end to the various scenarios that can be envisioned as this war continues.

Friend?  No.  Puppet master?  Absolutely.

Let it be said, and let it be known, once and for all, that I am not an anti-Semite.  A person does not invest as much time in the study of the Jews as I have, in the manner that I have, if he hates them.  Aside from anything else, I genuinely love their God, in spite of all of the various challenges to the continuation of said love which have arisen; which many others have succumbed to.  He was the first who came to me, when I was a baby, and I grew up with him.

Yet why, do you ask, do I issue this disclaimer?  I do so because at the same time, in his scripture, Yahweh himself refers to the Jews as a stiff-necked people, and at times complains bitterly of their behaviour; and to put it very mildly, their government at least is currently being stiff-necked.

But I know thy abode, and thy going out, and thy coming in, and thy rage against me.
Because thou rage against me and thy tumult is come up into mine ears, therefore I will put my hook in thy nose, and my bridle in thy lips, and I will turn thee back by the way by which thou camest.
-- SECOND KINGS 19: 27-28

Some will say, that this is perhaps a verse which Israel intended to use against her own enemies.  Yet the sword of the Spirit is two-edged; and may well, in time, come back to shed the blood of those who wield it.

I will admit that my own heart is hard, towards Islam.  I consider it a religion of barbarians, in truth, and have difficulty with the concept that Yahweh and Allah are really one and the same being.  When I am more reasonable, however; when my own belly is full and when the more Orcish, depraved emotions of my own frailty are not upon me, then I know that I must be honest with myself.

It is not right to kill the Palestinians.  We may consider Islam evil, and to at least a certain extent, I will confess that I do; but even if that is the case, to repay evil with more evil is not the right way.  It leads to nothing but death, and grief, and suffering, and chaos; and these are not good things.  The Muslims will not be re-habilitated from their own animalism, for as long as they have the same brutishness visited back upon them.  If they are to be taught kindness, then it must be by example.

It is not right for the Israeli government, to mete out to others, the same misery and death which their own ancestors experienced at Auschwitz, all while ironically invoking Auschwitz to any who would dare to question their actions.  The Jews are an old people, with a long history; and during that history they have themselves shed enough tears to fill both the North Atlantic and the Sigsbee Deep several times over.  They have been at the hands of some of the most inhuman cruelty that Man knows how to inflict.  If Jewish women know what it is like to weep for their own dead children, then why should their husbands cause women of other nations to do the same?  What do they think that will accomplish?

This must stop.  It will not stop, because the Jewish government, like those of all the nations of the world at this time, is primarily psychopathic; but it should stop.  The Jews themselves are also not completely and exclusively to blame, and that must be acknowledged.  Islam must learn, once and for all, that the ummat al-Islamiyah will not, and should not, occupy the entire Earth, and that it should therefore stay out of territory that does not belong to it.

Israel Firing Experimental Weapons at Gaza's Civilians, Say Doctors

QuoteDoctors treating patients in Gaza have accused Israel of using experimental weapons on Palestinian civilians.

Addressing reporters at a press conference on Sunday, Youssef Abul Resh, undersecretary of the health ministry in Gaza said, "Medical teams have registered injuries consistent with those caused by DIME [dense inert metal explosives] and other banned weapons."

He added, "Israel has mercilessly targeted Palestinian civilians leaving many of them with life-threatening injuries and future handicaps."

In the last week, Israeli airstrikes have killed more than 190 people, eighty percent of them civilians, including at least 34 children.

Using Gaza as a laboratory

DIME munitions were developed by the US Air Force in 2006 and have since been tested repeatedly on the people of Gaza, who have long served as involuntary lab rats for Israel's weapons industry.

DIME bombs contain tungsten, a cancer-causing metal that helps to produce incredibly destructive blasts which slice through flesh and bone, often decapitating the lower limbs of people within the blast radius.

Renowned Norwegian doctor Mads Gilbert, who witnessed the horrific injuries caused by DIME bombs during Israel's 2009 Gaza onslaught, told The Electronic Intifada over the phone from al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza City that patients are showing up with DIME-related injuries.

"A good number of the injuries seen here are consistent with the use of dense inert metal explosives, or DIME, that we saw during the 2009 attack and also in 2006," said Gilbert. "The bodies are pretty much destroyed by enormous energy released by the explosives that are shot near them or at them."

Quote"We had a large number of patients who came in with these horrendous injuries where arms and legs were cut off as though a huge ax had chopped off their limbs with a direct immense force, cutting through skin, muscles and bones. Bones would be shattered and completely cut off," Gilbert recounted.  "In addition we saw very very destructive burns coming from some extreme temperature that turned skin, muscle and even bones into charcoal."

Gilbert said that  governments around the world should send forensic experts to Gaza to "analyze the tissue samples from the wounds of the injured and analyze more thoroughly those who are killed," as well as scientists to follow up with those who have survived DIME blasts. Those survivors have an extremely high risk of developing cancer, Gilbert fears.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/07/15-2 (http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/07/15-2)

Shelling kills four boys on Gaza beach; Israel, Hamas set five-hour truce

QuoteIn one of the worst single incidents of the conflict, an Israeli gunboat off Gaza's Mediterranean coast shelled a beach, killing four boys - two aged 10 and the others 9 and 11 - from one family and critically wounding another youngster, witnesses and Ashraf al-Qidra of the Gaza Health Ministry said.

The Israeli military said the reported civilian casualties were unintended and "tragic" and it was investigating what happened. "Based on preliminary results, the target of this strike was Hamas terrorist operatives," it said in a statement.

Quote"When the first shell hit land, they ran away but another shell hit them all," said Abu Hassera, whose shirt was stained with blood. "It looked as if the shells were chasing them."

Israeli shelling has frequently targeted Gaza beaches, which Israel suspects are staging areas for militants.

QuoteMaher Abu Saa'ed, a 45-year-old doctor in Zeitoun, said that with many areas of Gaza under attack, nowhere was safe and he would not leave despite the telephoned Israeli warning.

"To ask hundreds of people to leave their houses and go to the centre of the city is insane, a sick joke," he said.

Announcing Hamas's formal rejection of Egypt's ceasefire plan, Abu Zuhri said the outcome of deliberations within the Islamist movement "was to reject the proposal and, therefore, Hamas informed Egypt last night it apologises for not accepting it."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/07/16/uk-palestinians-israel-idUKKBN0FI04D20140716 (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/07/16/uk-palestinians-israel-idUKKBN0FI04D20140716)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyx_wX___Y4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0eEzzDUEiw

Israeli interview on the bombing:
http://bcove.me/71itckb6 (http://bcove.me/71itckb6)
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IDF starts Gaza ground invasion

The ground fight has begun!!!!!!!!!!

IDF ground forces began to move into the Gaza Strip on Thursday evening, the prime minister's office confirmed.

"In light of Hamas' continuous criminal aggression, and the dangerous infiltration into Israeli territory, Israel is obligated to act in defense of its citizens," a statement from Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu's office said.

The statement said that Operation Protective Edge, now in its 11th day, will continue until its goals are reached: restoring quiet for an extended period of time,and delivering a significant blow to Hamas and the other terrorist organizations in Gaza.


Prior to the commencement of the ground invasion, the IDF launched a massive wave of combined air and artillery strikes on Thursday night.

The ground invasion comes hours after a Hamas assault squad of thirteen highly armed terrorists attempted to carry out a massacre of civilians at Kibbutz Sufa, near the border, before being blocked by the IDF.

Infantry, Armored Corps, Engineering Corps, artillery, and intelligence units are taking over various areas in Gaza, and are all working with one another and the air force. They are operating in northern, central, and southern Gaza, where Hamas has dug an extensive terrorist tunnel network.

The IDF's Southern Command is overseeing the ground offensive.

The units involved have undergone intensive training recently ahead of their missions, Brig.-Gen. Moti Almoz, IDF spokesman, said on Thursday night.

"The operation has reached its ground phase," Almoz said. "Large numbers of forces began a focused effort to destroy tunnels in Gaza.

We are in a new stage," he stated. At the same time, the air force is continuing with air strikes against Hamas and Islamic Jihad around Gaza.

The Ground Forces are currently engaging terrorist infrastructure, and the operation "will be expanded as needed," Almoz said. "They're moving now in various areas of Gaza. We will continue to attack in every location we think needs to be struck," he warned.

The IDF is currently calling up more reserves, Almoz added.

Palestinian sources said strikes occurred up and down the Strip, adding that one strike targeted a motorcycle apparently carrying members of a rocket launching cell on their way to an attack on Israel.

At around 10:00 p.m. rocket sirens sounded in the Tel Aviv area, and in the Shfela. Iron Dome made a number of interceptions in the Tel Aviv area.

More:
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/IDF-intensifies-Gaza-attacks-with-artillery-fire-air-strikes-363289

israel wasnt too smart ,warning gaza ahead of time.if it happened in my town.there would be a bomb every step they took.israeli bodies piled high.i hope the gaza residents tear them a new one.
bring on ww3 !!!

Quote from: Littleenki on July 15, 2014, 06:34:43 PM
All kidding aside, look into this expose, past the somewhat fruity bits, for facts that share with us who invented usury...

http://www.reformation.org/moneychangers.html

of course, as for money proper as coins and tender, it was the bullheads...the Phoenicians.... who brought money about in such form....this time.

Bullheads = Bull = Taurus, which was the first of the three 2,150 year periods of the Kali Yuga, which is basically when this whole mess began.  The story of Adam and Eve, and the fall, was set at the beginning of Taurus.

(http://calibermag.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/wall-street-bull.jpg)

This was also the symbolism behind the golden calf, within the book of Exodus.  The Israelites brought two symbols of Taurus together, (a bull, and gold in this case representing wealth) and Moses destroyed it with anger and fire, both of which correspond with Aries.  Aries also corresponds with the number one, (monotheism) war, and the eagle which was used as a symbol for the Roman Empire.  Yahweh was one God, and he appeared in one pillar of fire.

Hitler was born in Aries, and he often used the eagle as an emblem of Nazism.  Hitler also adopted standards (banners) very similar to those of Rome; he was essentially trying to bring the Roman Empire back, in many ways.  A big part of the reason for his failure was the fact that we are no longer in Aries, so the energy was not conducive to it. 

The United Nations, however, is an acceptable form of empire for Aquarius as an epoch, unfortunately.  Then again, empire itself is not really appropriate within Aquarian energy.  The United Nations survives as an imperial organisation by clothing itself within Aquarian correspondences; the blue and white flag, and the pretense of universal equality.  Make no mistake about it, however; the UN is the Aquarian re-invention (or disguise) of the Roman Empire, just as Catholicism was during Pisces.  The Piscean current was successfully hijacked by Christianity, and the Aquarian current is also being hijacked by fundamentalist atheism.

QuoteBarter, as wonderful as it seems, was basically using animals land or other tangible goods for exchange, but it was and is still using such "money" as a tool.

Once humans decided they had the rights to anything, rock, paper or scissors, that is where the greed and chase began.

Wealth (or in reality, food, because that is real wealth) = Taurus.  I have natal Jupiter in Taurus in the second house.  While I am not a millionaire, I virtually never go hungry.

This happened as a result of agriculture, which again, has Taurean correspondences.

QuoteWe are victims of our forefather's quest for power and control, indeed, yet as modern humanity, we cannot survive without money...unless of course you wish to live off of berries in the park and sit on a bench there all day reading Eckhart Tolle quotes.

The Taurean astral energy flow is mirrored in physical space by food, animals, and agriculture.  In Aquarius its' physical representation is information.  Think on that for a while; consider the implications.

In a sense, this article is incorrect.  Money is not the lifeblood of civilisation.  Money is a physical representation of the energetic current which primarily corresponds with the earth signs; Capricorn and Taurus in particular.  If you look at Aries for example, however, what was really important back then was swords, shields, spears, and armor; weapons of war. 

Again, with Aquarius it is information.  This is also the entire reason why money and media files (mp3s, computer games, software) do not mix.  Money is the measure of Taurean energy.  Information in the form of software, however, is the Aquarian measure.  At this point, we should be paying for food with files; not the other way around.  Within Aquarian energy, it is the files which are the center of gravity; food production is relatively trivial.

I love how you always bring something new to the table Petrus.

Quote from: Sinny on July 19, 2014, 11:55:32 PM
I love how you always bring something new to the table Petrus.

Thank you, Sinny.

While I apologise for the slight diversion, it is within this context that post-scarcity economics should really be understood.  The idea is not necessarily even that everything should be free, so much as it is that information is the Aquarian form of currency.

To relate this to the Taurean paradigm so that it becomes comprehensible to you, I will say that in the present age, we should not be farmers of crops or animals directly, so much as we should be farmers of information; which is, of course, primarily what the users of this site do. 

Animal husbandry is important, but at this stage in the game, it is truthfully far better for us to allocate the animals an appropriate amount of good land, make sure they have sufficient food and water, (which can be taken care of robotically) and then let them take care of the rest of the business by themselves.  If you enjoy living among them, then by all means; but where animals are concerned, the Aquarian imperative primarily calls for non-interference, or at least no interference in negative or destructive terms.

If you are wondering how you are to earn your proverbial bread, however, then the most appropriate answer would be to do that which we are doing here, right now; and this is exactly what Jeremy Rifkin talks about, when he mentions prosumers.  We had the right idea on IRC back in the 90s; a person's hard drive is their treasure trove, and books and media are the treasure.

File sharing, therefore, is not a crime, but a necessity.  If the MPAA and RIAA were sane, they would recognise The Pirate Bay as the great bazaar of the twenty first century.  That is the new Phoenicia.  It should not be fought; it should be joined, and profited from, but not in money.

The new wealth is not golden, but blue in colour.

(http://www.premiumpower.ie/wp-content/uploads/home-05.jpg)(http://ak7.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/731032/preview/stock-footage-aquarius-zodiacal-symbol-on-constantly-zooming-starry-background-loop-able-has-mask.jpg)

Within that spirit, let me offer you a small piece of it.  A piece of music, which I consider very much in the Aquarian key.  This is what we call psytrance.  It is best enjoyed with headphones, if you have some; the lower notes tend to get lost with speakers, and can thus give a less accurate impression.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6ehW94H1cw

Brilliant posts all, Petrus.  GFY.  I am so glad You're back!

"Yadlin: Hamas won't voluntarily demilitarize, IDF must do it for them"

"This is their ideology, what they believe in, their resistance," he added. Amos Yadlin
Amos Yadlin Photo: REUTERS Asking Hamas to demilitarize Gaza is like asking a priest to convert to Judaism, former military intelligence head Amos Yadlin said Sunday.

"This is their ideology, what they believe in, their resistance," he added. "They will not demilitarize Gaza voluntarily. The only one who can demilitarize them is the IDF."

Yadlin, who is currently the head of the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv, said that Israel needed to apply "much more military pressure" on Hamas' military wing, which he acknowledge has been "beaten," but not hard enough.

Neither Hamas' leaders, nor its "main terrorist fighters," have been killed, Yadlin said in a conference call organized by The Israel Project.

The only way to achieve a durable ceasefire and a political arrangement in the long run "is either by weakening or even destroying Hamas," he said.


http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Yadlin-Hamas-wont-voluntarily-demilitarize-IDF-must-do-it-for-them-369099

Agreed there Amy, howdy Petrus, thanks for the bullish breakdown!LOL!

Rdunk that quote shows all the problems within keywords pertaining to the battler between insane religious factions such as jews and muslims...

Quote"Yadlin: Hamas won't voluntarily demilitarize, IDF must do it for them"

"This is their ideology, what they believe in, their resistance," he added. Amos Yadlin
Amos Yadlin Photo: REUTERS Asking Hamas to demilitarize Gaza is like asking a priest to convert to Judaism, former military intelligence head Amos Yadlin said Sunday.

"This is their ideology, what they believe in, their resistance," he added. "They will not demilitarize Gaza voluntarily. The only one who can demilitarize them is the IDF."

Yadlin, who is currently the head of the Institute for National Security Studies in Tel Aviv, said that Israel needed to apply "much more military pressure" on Hamas' military wing, which he acknowledge has been "beaten," but not hard enough.

Neither Hamas' leaders, nor its "main terrorist fighters," have been killed, Yadlin said in a conference call organized by The Israel Project.

The only way to achieve a durable ceasefire and a political arrangement in the long run "is either by weakening or even destroying Hamas," he said./quote]

words tossed around like....

ideology

resistance

military intelligence(LMAO)

military pressure

terrorist

fighters

ceasefire

political arrangement

destroying

kind of shows an agenda in there, eh?

QuoteThe units involved have undergone intensive training recently ahead of their missions, Brig.-Gen. Moti Almoz, IDF spokesman, said on Thursday night.

"The operation has reached its ground phase," Almoz said. "Large numbers of forces began a focused effort to destroy tunnels in Gaza.

We are in a new stage," he stated. At the same time, the air force is continuing with air strikes against Hamas and Islamic Jihad around Gaza.


The Ground Forces are currently engaging terrorist infrastructure, and the operation "will be expanded as needed," Almoz said. "They're moving now in various areas of Gaza. We will continue to attack in every location we think needs to be struck," he warned.

QuoteGaza City - At least 100 Gazans have been killed in Israeli bombardment on Tuesday, Gaza officials have said, hours after shells hit the enclave's only power station.

A thick column of black smoke was seen rising from the power station on Tuesday, mingling with other plumes sent into the air by Israeli shelling.

Gaza officials said the death toll from the invasion had now reached 1,178, with at least 100 killed since midnight on Tuesday. More than 6,800 Gazans had been injured. The AFP news agency reported that one air raid alone in northern Gaza had killed 10 people on Tuesday.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/israel-strikes-gaza-only-power-plant-201472911383591718.html (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/07/israel-strikes-gaza-only-power-plant-201472911383591718.html)

When there IS no more Gaza or people in it, Hamas will STILL be around. When has anyone EVER been able to destroy an idea militarily? How many Hamas fighters have been killed? Any as of yet?

QuoteNeither Hamas' leaders, nor its "main terrorist fighters," have been killed, Yadlin said in a conference call organized by The Israel Project.

Perhaps they just need to step up to bigger bombs if they are simply going by the numbers game. Meanwhile Hamas has fired hundreds of rockets back at Israel and caused heavy casualties of 2 Israeli Citizens and a Thai worker. Sounds like a winning campaign on both sides.  :P

Operation Protective Edge - Day 23

3 IDF soldiers killed in Gaza on Wednesday
By YAAKOV LAPPIN
LAST UPDATED: 07/30/2014 19:06
 
Latest fatalities bring IDF death toll in Operation Protective Edge to 56; an additional 27 soldiers injured in Gaza on Wednesday; IDF official says destruction of tunnels to be completed in a matter of days.

Three IDF soldiers were killed during operations in the southern Gaza Strip on Wednesday.

The latest fatalities brought Israel's military death toll in Operation Protective Edge to 56.

The IDF stated that an additional 27 soldiers were injured in Gaza on Wednesday.

Operation Protective Edge intensified after the deaths of 10 soldiers in Palestinian cross-border attacks on Monday; Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu warned of a long conflict ahead.

OC Southern Command Major-Gen. Sami Turgeman said Wednesday evening that regarding destruction of Hamas's terror tunnels, the IDF's "mission will be completed within a number of days."

More:

http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/2-IDF-soldiers-killed-in-booby-trapped-tunnel-in-Gaza-369455

From the Jerusalem Post, here is : "A Live Blog: Israel's Operation Protective Edge in Gaza". This is a minute by minute by hour by day detail progression of this conflict between Israel and the hamas/Palestinians.

The main thought for posting this is, it does give us far more insight into some of the nitty gritty detail of how this war is progressing through actions on both sides. I will post a few of the latest additions here for example, and will post a link to the complete data file.

Monday, August 4 

6:10 p.m. The Erez Crossing between Gaza and Israel was closed on Monday afternoon due to a security alert, the IDF confirmed.

6:02 p.m. Rocket sirens went off in Ashkelon and in the communities bordering Gaza.

5:29 p.m. Rocket alert sirens sounded in the Ashkelon Coast Regional Council.

5:16 p.m. Rocket alert sirens went off in the Sha'ar Hanegev Regional Council.

5:09 p.m. Three Gazan rockets hit the Sdot Hanegev Regional Council in open areas. No injuries or damage were caused.

5:03 p.m. Rocket alert sirens sounded in the Sha'ar Hanegev Regional Council.

5:00 p.m. Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu said Monday that Operation Protective Edge would continue until quiet was restored to the citizens of Israel. 

"The operation in Gaza continues. What is left to be done before it ends is for the IDF to deal with the Gaza attack tunnels. But the operation also won't end until quiet and security are returned to the citizens of Israel for an extended period of time," Netanyahu said in a written statement.

Netanyahu convened a security meeting at Southern military headquarters with Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon, IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Benny Gantz, and other security personnel on Monday.     

"We have no intention to harm civilians in Gaza. It is clearly Hamas who has harmed these civilians and who has also prevented humanitarian aid from reaching them," the prime minister added. 

4:50 p.m. Two rockets fell inside communities in the Sha'ar Hanegev Regional Council. There were no injuries or damage reported.

4:45 p.m. Four rockets hit the Sdot Hanegev Regional Council and lightly injured one person. One fell within a kibbutz and did not cause damage nor injury. Another hit the entrance to the region. The rest of the rockets fell in open areas.


http://www.jpost.com/Defense/LIVE-BLOG-Israels-Operation-Protective-Edge-in-Gaza-361892

Quote"We have no intention to harm civilians in Gaza. It is clearly Hamas who has harmed these civilians and who has also prevented humanitarian aid from reaching them," the prime minister added. 

Now by "We" does he mean he and his wife only?


Palestinian youths 'executed' in Gaza town

QuoteWitnesses tell Al Jazeera six youths were taken to a bathroom in a house in Khuzaa and executed by Israeli forces.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=580eAYCkMqI

Israel and Palestinian groups are blaming each other for violating a 72-hour truce that broke down just hours after coming into effect on Friday.

 
An Al Jazeera team arrived at Khuzaa in Khan Younis to find people retrieving decomposing bodies from homes.

Witnesses said six youths had been taken to a house and executed by Israeli forces. The bodies were left there for several days.

One man said: "It is a mass execution of six Palestinian youths who were brought to this bathroom. Look at the gunshots on the wall."

http://www.aljazeera.com/video/middleeast/2014/08/palestinian-youths-executed-gaza-town-201481224957305224.html (http://www.aljazeera.com/video/middleeast/2014/08/palestinian-youths-executed-gaza-town-201481224957305224.html)

Hamas made them do it so it is ok.  ::)

One thing I don't understand in this situation: if the tunnels enter Israel why do they need to get out of Israel to destroy them?

i doubt they blew up the tunnels on israels side.that way they can store more wine and food for the armageddon.plus it fits in with there expansionism policy.think of all the realestate underground they just gained.

Another try for an initial short peace agreement!

Israel, Hamas agree to 3-day truce to take effect Tuesday


Israel accepted an Egyptian cease-fire proposal on Monday night that is to go into effect Tuesday at 8:00 a.m.

Senior diplomatic officials pointed out that from the early stages of the Gaza operation Israel had accepted the Egyptian proposal.

They stressed that the ceasefire was unconditional and pointed out that its acceptance came after Israel finished destroying the terror tunnels.

The officials said Israel was preparing for the possibility that Hamas would violate the cease-fire, as it has done in the past, and also cautioned the Israeli public to continue to be vigilant as Hamas could try to carry out a major attack for a final "victory picture" before the cease-fire goes into effect.

It was not immediately clear when an Israeli delegation would head to Cairo for indirect talks on a long-term agreement.

The officials said that if the cease-fire was honored there would be no reason for a continued IDF presence inside the Gaza Strip.

The members of the security cabinet were informed of the decision, but there was no reason for a vote.

More:
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Israel-will-consider-cease-fire-if-proposal-meets-its-goals-of-long-term-quiet-370057

Quote from: rdunk on August 04, 2014, 10:05:02 PM
Another try for an initial short peace agreement!

Israel, Hamas agree to 3-day truce to take effect Tuesday


Israel accepted an Egyptian cease-fire proposal on Monday night that is to go into effect Tuesday at 8:00 a.m.

The only problem with this, is that the Jewish government will probably just do what they did with the 72 hour ceasefire; stage a false flag which gives them pretext, and then continue their bombardment.

I agree petrus

The truce game is on for re-stocking the front lines while not under fire. Both sides are taking advantage of a lull in the action, then come out fighting even harder. Ding/Ding, next round.

 http://www.blacklistednews.com/We%E2%80%99re_All_Criminals_and_Outlaws_in_the_Eyes_of_the_American_Police_State/37069/0/38/38/Y/M.html (http://www.blacklistednews.com/We%E2%80%99re_All_Criminals_and_Outlaws_in_the_Eyes_of_the_American_Police_State/37069/0/38/38/Y/M.html)remember how I pointed out that Victoria's secret was a Jewish company,well maybe this will show you what Israel has planned for the world.kinda reminds me of a certain Egyptian story from the bible.

Will captured Hamas manual on using human shields help Israel block war crimes trials?

From The Jerusalem Posti 08/05/2014

According to the IDF (and confirmed independently in a CNN report), the posted pages of the manual focus on urban warfare, and discuss the benefits to Hamas when its own civilians' homes are destroyed.

The Tuesday meeting of Palestinian Authority Foreign Minister Riad al-Malki with the International Criminal Court Prosecutor's Office is likely far less significant than it looks.

First, the Palestinians threaten over and over again to file complaints against Israelis in the ICC, but have consistently failed to pull the trigger.

Also, though "Palestine" can probably overcome the statehood obstacles which blocked the Palestinians from filing war crimes complaints against Israelis after the 2008-9 Gaza War there are myriad other obstacles which could block an investigation, let alone a conviction.

But in the unlikely worst case scenario where the PA somehow manages to overcome the many substantial obstacles, has the IDF just discovered a golden defense to war crimes allegations in a "captured" Hamas manual it posted Monday-Tuesday?

According to the IDF (and confirmed independently in a CNN report), the posted pages of the manual focus on urban warfare, and discuss the benefits to Hamas when its own civilians' homes are destroyed.

It has two salient points relating to the war crimes issue.

The IDF said that the manual: 1) reveals that Hamas knows or recognizes the IDF is committed to minimizing harm to civilians 2) explains how the civilian population can be used against IDF forces and 2) Based on these two points, the IDF stated that Hamas' callous and systematic use of the Gazan population as "human shields" was intentional and preplanned.

In a portion entitled "Limiting the Use of Weapons," the IDF said the manual explains that: The soldiers and commanders (of the IDF) must limit their use of weapons and tactics that lead to the harm and unnecessary loss of people and [destruction of] civilian facilities. It is difficult for them to get the most use out of their firearms, especially of supporting fire [e.g. artillery].

The IDF concluded that Hamas knows the IDF will limit its use of greater firepower in support of infantry weapons in order to avoid harming civilians.

The manual goes on to explain that the presence of civilians among pockets of resistance causes three major problems for IDF forces: (1) Problems with opening fire (2) Problems in controlling the civilian population during operations and afterward (3) Assurance of supplying medical care to civilians who need it Lastly, the manual discusses the benefits for Hamas when civilian homes are destroyed: The destruction of civilian homes: This increases the hatred of the citizens towards the attackers [the IDF] and increases their gathering [support] around the city defenders (resistance forces[i.e. Hamas]).

The IDF concluded that this proves that Hamas actually desires the destruction of homes and civilian infrastructure, knowing it will increase hatred for the IDF and support their fighters.

More:
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Will-captured-Hamas-manual-on-using-human-shields-help-Israel-block-war-crimes-trials-370154

Israel sends delegation to Cairo for truce talks as cease-fire appears to hold

By JPOST.com Staff 08/05/2014

Tense quiet in South as Hamas appears to be honoring 72-hour cease-fire; Israeli delegation joins Palestinian factions in Cairo for long-term truce talks.

The 72-hour cease-fire which began Tuesday morning at 8 a.m. appeared to be holding Tuesday afternoon prompting Israel to send a negotiating team to Cairo for indirect talks with Palestinians factions aimed at reaching a long-term truce.

Israel had previously said that it would wait to see if Hamas honored the cease-fire before dispatching a delegation to take part in the talks that it had thus far avoided.

"The delegates left under an hour ago. I assume they've already arrived in Egypt," an Israeli official told Reuters on Tuesday afternoon.

A flurry of rockets was fired at the South, the Shfela region and areas outside of Jerusalem in the West Bank just prior to the onset of the cease-fire. One rocket hit a house near the Palestinian West Bank town of Bethlehem, police said and residents said.

Israeli ground forces completed their withdrawal from Gaza as the cease-fire went into effect on Tuesday morning.

Senior Israeli diplomatic officials said Israel was preparing for the possibility that Hamas would violate the cease-fire, as it has done in the past, and also cautioned the Israeli public to continue to be vigilant as Hamas could try to carry out a major attack for a final "victory picture" before the cease-fire goes into effect.

More:
http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Israel-sends-delegation-to-Cairo-for-truce-talks-as-cease-fire-appears-to-hold-370136

Wow,no comments on how the Jews profit from slavery,just more propaganda.

This too is an interesting read, with comments given from the IDF, which are now redeployed behind the Israeli border. It really does give detail into the use by hamas of Palestinian civilian property and civilian lives.

The Jerusalem Post

By YAAKOV LAPPIN 08/06/2014 03:20

On the first full day of a truce with Hamas, the IDF redeployed behind the Israeli border, and senior army officers began sharing their war stories.

The accounts all point to a cruel and cynical enemy that is willing to use kindergartens, schools and hospitals as rocket bases and tunnel covers, and which actively seeks to get Gazan civilians killed and injured.

One source on Tuesday spoke of how the army uncovered the Gazan shaft of a cross-border tunnel. It surfaced in a hothouse located right next to a Palestinian kindergarten. It led directly to Kibbutz Netiv Ha'asara, where Hamas gunmen planned to massacre civilians.

Other units found rocket launch tripods in school playgrounds.

"At the entrance to Beit Hanun, there were more homes with booby-traps than not," said another army officer.

"Much of the destruction of homes in Gaza was because of Hamas's booby traps."

A brigade commander saw seven buildings utterly destroyed, when IDF shells set off bombs planted by Hamas inside them. "You see the buildings jump up and collapse, and you know a shell can't do that to a multi-story building," the source said.

In recent days, the IDF came under increased Hamas mortar fire, and when it traced the origin of the attacks, it found that they came from kindergartens and playgrounds in Gaza.

"This limited us a lot," said a source.

"It forced us to take many risks. In some places we refrained from acting.

In others, when we had no choice, we fired back."

Soldiers spoke of finding antitank missile launchers in children's bedrooms, and automatic rifles in a room next to a child's bedroom.

"There are certain things that, until you encounter them yourself on the battlefield, you can't understand them," said a source. "Only in combat can you learn these things," he added, referring to the deep knowledge the IDF has recently obtained of Hamas by confronting it on its home turf.

This process explains how the ground offensive became focused on destroying the tunnels. The threat of underground passages leading from Gaza into Israel had been known for years, but only recently did the IDF realize how Hamas planned to use them.

Hamas planned coordinated, simultaneous raids by hundreds of terrorists, who would have entered southern Israel and simply massacred the inhabitants of southern communities.

Had Hamas's plot succeeded, the attack could have been the worst in Israeli history.

The same sources, when discussing Palestinian casualties, said they were up front about the Gazan civilians who were unintentionally killed in IDF strikes.

Well over 900 terrorists were killed in Gaza, according to the sources, and the civilian-to-combatant casualty ratio was one of the lowest in recent wars fought by Western armies against guerrilla foes.

Stories also continue to abound of strikes canceled by the IDF.

"Hamas has a command and control center in a building. I did not give the order to hit it," a senior officer said.

Looking ahead, army officials said they expect the operation to refresh Israeli deterrence, "both in Gaza and in Lebanon."

"Hamas will have to ask itself difficult questions. Was digging tunnels under homes worth it?" said one source.

The officers cited the "personal damage to Hamas battalion commanders, who used their homes as command and control centers, and now have no where to return to."

A senior IDF commander added, "Gaza is totally different now. Hamas built capabilities it could not effectively activate. Islamic Jihad's apparatus has been taken apart. We were not willing to strike Hamas brigade commanders who hid under Shifa Hospital. That's a victory we could not live with."

Israel Agrees to extend cease-fire!

"An Israeli official says Israel will extend truce under current terms; Hamas officials reportedly say they will not extend cease-fire unless significant progress made in negotiations; threaten to resume rocket fire". It would appear that hamas is willing to fight unto death of all of their people!

The Jerusalem Post

By REUTERS         08/06/2014

Israel has agreed to extend a ceasefire that ended a month of fighting in Gaza beyond a Friday deadline, an Israeli official said on Wednesday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

"Israel accepted an unconditional 72-hour cease fire, and is willing to extend an unconditional cease-fire," the official said.

The official did not say for how much longer Israel had agreed to extend the truce, only that: "Israel has expressed its readiness to extend the truce under its current terms," referring to the deal brokered by Egypt that took effect on Tuesday.

Hamas officials said they would not agree to extend the cease-fire without significant progress in negotiations conducted in Cairo, Channel 10 reported.

Hamas also threatened on Wednesday night to resume rocket attacks on Israel when the current cease-fire comes to an end on Friday at 8 a.m., according to the report.

The cease-fire that went into effect on Tuesday has held thus far, allowing for the removal of safety restriction bans in Israel and a relative "return to normal."
US envoy Frank Lowenstein was due in Cairo on Wednesday night to try to help Egyptian-mediated talks between Israel and the Palestinians find a lasting end to their conflict over the Gaza Strip, the US State Department said.

Lowenstein is the acting US special envoy for Israeli-Palestinian negotiations.



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Breaking: Quiet shattered, Hamas resumes firing rockets as cease-fire ends

Is this any surprise?? Certainly not to me. Peace is not what hamas is after, and simply having a Palestinian country does not settle what they believe their god requires. So, there will be no real peace for Israel until the God of Israel intervenes.

By JPOST.COM STAFF     08/08/2014 08:03

After 72 hours of relative quiet, the bilateral cease-fire ends without an extension deal; rocket fire from Gaza resumes on southern Israel from Gaza.


Breaking: Quiet shattered, Hamas resumes firing rockets as cease-fire ends By JPOST.COM STAFF
08/08/2014 08:03
 
After 72 hours of relative quiet, the bilateral cease-fire ends without an extension deal; rocket fire from Gaza resumes on southern Israel from Gaza. iron dome
An interception of a rocket by the Iron Dome.
With the 72-hour cease-fire drawing to an end at 8:00 a.m. on Friday morning, Hamas renewed its rocket fire on Israel after declaring in Cairo that it will not agree to extend the Egyptian-mediated ceasefire.

At exactly 8:00 a.m., rocket alert sirens went off in the Ashkelon Regional Council as three rockets were fired at the city and surrounding areas. Iron Dome batteries intercepted one of the rockets while two exploded in open territory.

Moments later, sirens were heard in communities of the Eshkol Regional Council bordering the Gaza Strip.

The Eshkol Regional Council made a public announcement calling for residents to remain within 15 second of a bomb shelter.

Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri stated that there would be, "No agreement to extend cease-fire, but we will continue to negotiate [in Cairo]." The comments come after Hamas officials in Cairo vowed to resume the fighting if its demands were not met.

Earlier Friday morning, before the cease-fire officially ended, two rockets were apparently launched at southern Israel from Gaza, the IDF reported. The rockets violated the cease-fire but the IDF did not immediately respond.

A senior Israeli security source made statements on Thursday that Israel "will respond with force if Hamas renews attacks on it."



http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Hamas-does-not-agree-to-extension-as-cease-fire-ends-370468

Khaled Abu Toameh contributed to this report.

This report by Dennis Prager is not really a part of this subject war, but it really does put a focus for us on the simple why of the war, relative to "The Middle East Problem".


                                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EDW88CBo-8

Report: Egypt, Palestinians reach new agreement on cease-fire deal in Gaza

This is the latest news, but is simply just another step in the negotiations, with much saber rattling. Egypt agrees to what hamas is asking for, so now it awaits Israel's answer which will not come until the firing stops.

By JPOST.COM STAFF             08/09/2014 18:14

Under reported terms of proposal, PA would take control of Rafah crossing; Israeli source: We don't negotiate under fire; Hamas threatens to leave Cairo talks if demands are not met.

Egyptian and Palestinian delegates have reportedly reached a new agreement on a draft cease-fire proposal that will be submitted to Israel on Saturday, a Palestinian official told AFP.

According to the official speaking on condition of anonymity, the deal would see the Palestinian Authority and the government in Cairo render control of the Rafah border between Gaza and Egypt.

Under the reported terms, Hamas would in effect enact a unity deal signed in April with the PA, entrusting the group's demands for a port in Gaza to the Ramallah-based government for negotiations at a later point with Israel.

Egyptian sources who are intimately familiar with the discussions are quoted by Arab media sources as saying that the sides have reached verbal agreements on a truce that would go into effect Saturday evening, even as Hamas threatens to renew rocket fire against Israel's most populous areas in the center of the country in response to what it says is Jerusalem's "obstinacy" in cease-fire talks.

"The launching of rockets from the Gaza Strip toward Israel and the Israeli air force strikes in response to those rockets will cease completely [Saturday evening] in parallel with the arrival of the Israeli delegation to the talks in Cairo and the continuation of negotiations toward a permanent cease-fire," sources told the Palestinian daily Al-Quds.

Israeli officials have not confirmed the reports that negotiators are on their way to Egypt to rejoin the cease-fire discussions. A defense source in Jerusalem told the Walla! news agency on Saturday that as long as Palestinian rocket fire from Gaza continues, Israel will not be a party to the cease-fire talks.

"We don't negotiate under fire," the source said.

Meanwhile, Hamas sources threatened on Saturday to leave the talks if its demands are not met.

"The Palestinian delegation to the talks has notified the Egyptian mediators that in the event Israel continues with its rejectionist stance, it will leave Cairo [on Sunday], which would then enable the factions on the ground to expand its rocket range to include Tel Aviv," a Hamas official told the Lebanese newspaper Al-Akhbar.

While the source is believed to be reliable, this statement is perceived as "flexing muscles," or posturing for the sake of negotiations.

Hamas officials repeated their threat to resume strikes on Tel Aviv on Palestinian television on Saturday.

More: http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Report-Egypt-Palestinians-reach-new-agreement-on-cease-fire-deal-370565

Well, the next back and forth step ghas occurred. The two factions have agreed to another 72 hour truce! We we see if this truce has any actual lasting reality, and all of the priors of this 35 day war have not.

Rocket barrage on Israel shortly before start of 72 hour truce with Hamas


Rocket barrage on Israel shortly before start of 72 hour truce with Hamas By

Jerusalem Post

HERB KEINON  08/11/2014 00:12
 
Israel will send its team of negotiators back to Cairo on Monday if Hamas honors the 72-hour cease-fire that went into effect at midnight, diplomatic officials said Sunday evening.

Rocket sirens were sounded in Ashdod, Ashkelon, and Kiryat Malachi at around 11:45 p.m. on Tuesday. The army confirmed that the Iron Dome rocket defense system intercepted two rockets over Ashdod and an additional rocket landed in an open area of the port city.

An additional rocket fired at the Tel Aviv area fell in an open area. No rocket alert sirens sounded in the area.

The officials said that Israel had accepted an Egyptian cease-fire proposal, the second 72-hour truce in a week.

Hamas refused to extend the previous truce, which expired Friday morning, and resumed firing rockets and mortars.

The IDF responded by hitting dozens of terrorist targets inside the Strip.

According to the officials, in accordance with Israel's policy that it will not negotiate a longer-term cease-fire while under fire, Israel's negotiating team will return to Cairo on Monday only if the cease-fire holds.

Israel, one government official said, was going into this truce with its eyes "wide open," well aware of with whom it was dealing, and of how Hamas and Islamic Jihad had broken numerous ceasefires over the last month.

Asked why Jerusalem believes Hamas accepted the cease-fire after rejecting an extension on Friday morning, he said that Hamas was under a great deal of strain that included not only military pressure from Israel but also pressure from many in the Arab world, as well as people in Gaza who want to see the crisis end.

Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal, meanwhile, said Sunday that any lasting ceasefire with Israel should include the lifting of the blockade on the Gaza Strip.

Mashaal, who is based in Qatar, told AFP that the latest cease-fire agreement, which was announced Sunday evening, is one of the "ways or tactics to ensure successful negotiations or to facilitate the delivery of humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip."

Mashaal reiterated Hamas's insistence that all its demands be met "and that the Gaza Strip live without the blockade."

He warned that in the case of Israeli "procrastination or continued aggression, Hamas is ready with other Palestinian factions to resist on the ground and politically and to face all possibilities."

The new cease-fire agreement came after the Palestinians said they would leave Cairo if a deal wasn't reached by Sunday.

Hamas's top negotiator, Moussa Abu Marzouk, said after the Egyptians announced the new cease-fire agreement that the Palestinians accepted the deal after Israel responded positively.

Another Hamas official, Izzat al-Risheq, said that the Palestinian acceptance of the cease-fire came after the Egyptians informed them of Israel's agreement.


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IDF mobilizing forces along Gaza border as clock ticks on temporary cease-fire

By JPOST.COM STAFF, REUTERS, YASSER OKBI/ MAARIV HASHAVUA  08/13/2014

The IDF was mobilizing forces along the border with Gaza on Wednesday ahead of the expiration of a three-day cease-fire at 12 a.m. Thursday, Channel 2 reported.

The threat of renewed fighting loomed as it remained uncertain whether Israeli and Palestinian negotiators engaged in indirect talks in Cairo would forge a long-term truce to take effect following the temporary one.

The IDF also deployed nine Iron Dome batteries throughout the country as Israel was bracing for the possibility of Gazan terrorists resuming rocket attacks in the event that cease-fire negotiations break down, Channel 2 cited a senior Air Force official as saying.

The military was also reportedly calling up addition reservists to bolsters the soldiers positioned near the Gaza border.

Palestinian officials said that they are seriously considering agreeing to extend talks past the 72-hour deadline.

On Wednesday, the clock ticked toward the end of a the temporary cease-fire with no sign of a breakthrough in indirect talks in Cairo.

It was reported by Reuters that President Barak Obama spoke to Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu on Wednesday evening.

A Palestinian official with knowledge of the negotiations said Egypt had presented a new proposal for a permanent truce agreement that addressed a major Palestinian demand for a lifting of the Israeli and Egyptian blockades of the Gaza Strip.

more: http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Report-IDF-mobilizing-forces-along-Gaza-border-as-clock-ticks-on-temporary-cease-fire-370985

At least conversation is still continuing toward a lasting cease fire. Hopefully just a matter of time!!!

Abbas says Egyptian initiative only viable option for Israel-Gaza truce!

By JPOST.COM STAFF   LAST UPDATED: 08/16/2014 22:12

Palestinian Authority president gives speech during meeting of PA leadership in Ramallah, says Egypt has no replacement as mediator. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said on Saturday there was no alternative to the Egyptian initiative for a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas.


"We adhere to the Egyptian plan," the PA chief stated in his opening remarks at a meeting of the senior Palestinian leadership in Ramallah on Saturday. "We will not accept any other party to take Egypt's place" as mediator of indirect talks to cement a lasting cease-fire deal between Israel and Hamas.

The Palestinians delegation is slated to return to Cairo this evening to renew talks on Sunday, though members of the negotiating team have expressed pessimism that any progress could be made as things currently stood. Senior figures in Hamas and Islamic Jihad reiterated that the document presented to both sides in Cairo was unacceptable and did not meet their demands.

Abbas said that the PA leadership's goal was to halt the fighting between Israel and Hamas which has embroiled the Gaza Strip for the past five weeks.

Abbas addressed the international conference slated for next month in Egypt which will see donor countries discuss providing financial aid for rebuilding the Gaza Strip and express hope that Arab countries would make progress.

The president talked about the importance of going forward with the diplomatic route, including plans to join the International Criminal Court in order to file war crimes charges against Israel.

According to the draft cease-fire terms – Israel will stop its offensive against Gaza from the air, sea, and land and in turn, the Palestinian factions will stop their attacks on Israel and will stop digging tunnels outside Gaza's territory in Israel. In addition, border crossings between Israel and the Strip would reopen.

Under the proposal, once a cease-fire holds, the parties will return to Cairo for more extensive negotiations, including over prisoner swaps and the hot-button issue of establishing an airport and a seaport in the coastal enclave.

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Palestinian-Authority-President-says-Egyptian-initiative-only-viable-option-371281

And here we go again!! ------

Rockets target Tel Aviv in wake of truce breakdown

By JPOST.com Staff, Yaakov Lappin  08/19/2014

IAF renews sorties over Gaza hitting dozens of targets; Palestinians report first deaths since cease-fire collapse; Hamas claims responsibility for rocket barrage targeting southern, central Israel.

Hours after rockets shattered the cease-fire and hit Gaza frontier communities, three loud explosions were heard over Tel Aviv, shortly before 11 p.m., for the first time in over a week.

Hamas claimed responsibility for the rocket attacks.

Rocket alert sirens were heard all over southern communities, Beersheba, central Israel and as far as Beit Shemesh – which borders the nation's capital.

One explosion in open territory in the greater Tel Aviv area was so far confirmed. Two rockets exploded in open areas of Sha'ar HaNegev. A rocket directed at the Ashkelon Coast Regional Council shortly before the latest salvo of rockets landed near a shopping center in the area. No injuries were reported but damage was caused to a building.

Across the border, in Gaza, Palestinians reported a mounting number of injuries, following resumed air strikes on the Strip. Palestinian medical sources said three people were killed, including a three-year-old child, and 16 wounded, when an Israeli air strike hit a home in the Sheik Radwan neighborhood, north of Gaza City.

The officials said ten other Palestinians were injured near a mosque in the same neighborhood.

The IDF confirmed that Israel launched at least 30 air attacks over the past few hours.

The Home Front Command has instructed all cities within 80 kilometers of the Gaza Strip to open public bomb shelters.

Hamas spokesman Husam Badran accused Israel of sabotaging the talks, saying that Israel was placing obstacles on every issue. "If we don't reach an agreement that serves the interests of the Palestinians, all options are open." Senior Hamas official Izzat a-Rishek, a member of the Palestinian delegation to Cairo, said that "our people's struggle will not stop with this truce or any other. The struggle will continue until we achieve the goals of the people and fulfill the dream of elections and national independence." Israeli diplomatic sources said that in light of the rockets fired on the South and the violation of the cease-fire, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon instructed the IDF to resume its attacks on terror targets inside the Gaza Strip.The attacks came despite a temporary cease-fire between Israel and Hamas that was extended on Monday night and was not scheduled to expire until midnight.

The IDF said that it responded to the rockets with strikes on Gaza and was prepared for the possibility of renewed hostilities.

More: http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Rockets-target-Tel-Aviv-in-wake-of-truce-breakdown-371552

Rocket sirens wail in Tel Aviv; At least three interceptions heard overhead

The war continues - hamas is firing rockets into Israel, and Israel's "Iron Dome" intercepts the rockets which are deemed most critical.

By JPOST.COM STAFF    LAST UPDATED: 08/22/2014 12:20

Rocket sirens were activated in Tel Aviv just before sundown on Friday as Palestinians in Gaza launched at least three projectiles at central Israel.

Witnesses reported hearing at least three explosions overhead. No word yet on whether any injuries or damage resulted from the incident.

Sirens were also heard in the adjacent suburbs of Tel Aviv, including Ramat Gan, Holon, Bat Yam, and Givatayim.

Earlier Friday, a rocket fired by Palestinians in Gaza slammed into a synagogue in the southern city of Ashdod, injuring three people.

According to police, the injuries resulted from flying shrapnel immediately after impact. The Magen David Adom rescue service reported that two people were lightly hurt and one moderately injured. Eight others were treated for shock.

Earlier Friday morning, a mortar shell landed near a preschool in southern Israel's Eshkol Regional Council during continued barrages of rocket fire from the Gaza Strip.
In Beersheba two rockets were intercepted over the city while a third exploded in a residential parking lot, wounding one person, police reported. The man was rushed to the hospital in moderate condition from shrapnel wounds. Several vehicles in the vicinity sustained damages.

Another rocket landed in open areas of the greater Tel Aviv area.

Rocket alert sirens blared throughout the morning in the South with 26 rockets launched so far at Israel by mid-day from the Gaza Strip. The Iron Dome rocket defense system intercepted five rockets and 21 struck open areas in Israel.

More: http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Abbas-expected-to-visit-Cairo-as-Gaza-rockets-continue-to-target-Israel-371945

As a matter of individual interest, I am providing a link to a "LIVE BLOG" for the Israeli Offensive in Gaza, which is an hour by hour minute by minute account of the details of the war.  For anyone who wants to keep up with what is happening with this war, this might be a good place for such information.

For example: Friday August 22, and entry at 6:40 a.m.

After the killing of three of its senior commanders by Israel, Hamas vowed early Friday that it would be "strengthened" in its quest "to lift the siege on Gaza" and "liberate Jerusalem and Palestine from the neo-Nazi occupier who destroys houses and kills women and children."

Hours after the targeted strike on the Hamas commanders, Ismail Haniyeh, the former head of the Hamas regime in Gaza, released a statement that was read aloud by the Hamas television network.

Haniyeh said that Hamas "was saddened over the deaths of our brothers and commanders who went on the path of great ones."

"We want to emphasize that despite the pain of their loss, the history of the Hamas movement has proven more than once that it is stronger after every targeted killing of one of its senior members," Haniyeh said.

The Live Blog: http://www.jpost.com/Defense/LIVE-BLOG-Israels-Operation-Protective-Edge-in-Gaza-361892

Progress in cease-fire talks in Cairo

This war is continuing, even though the MSM is not saying much about it. Michael has become more important in the news that the reality of war in the middle east. Maybe the possibility of anther cease fire soon!!

By JPOST.COM STAFF, YASSER OKBI/ MAARIV HASHAVUA  8/25/2014 01:43

Islamic Jihad, Hamas officials say cease-fire agreement close to being reached; Palestinian news agency Ma'an also reports of development in reaching deal.

Media reports early on Monday morning indicated that progress had been made in cease-fire talks in Cairo between Palestinians and Israel.

Palestinian news agency Ma'an reported that developments had been made that could clear the path for an agreement to be signed as soon as Monday morning.

According to Ma'an, Khaled al-Batsh, a Islamic Jihad official said "a cease-fire is supposed to be signed within a few hours."

The deputy leader of the Islamic Jihad, Ziad Nakhleh, told Lebanese Al Mayadeen TV that "we have decided a zero-hour, and it will happen within a few hours."

Hamas official Osama Hamdan said "there has been positive and fast progress in cease-fire talks in the past few hours."



http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Report-Progress-in-cease-fire-talks-in-Cairo-372177