Ok
If you all want to know why I am a broken toy.
Look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_l4Ab5FRwM
Bless
Back
Quote from: Back on August 31, 2014, 10:31:54 PM
Ok
If you all want to know why I am a broken toy.
Look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_l4Ab5FRwM
Bless
Back
Thanks for this!
Rock
(veteran)
Just back from Viet Nam,
Waiting for a bus at a park under a tree I dozed off,
I awoke to find a college girl pissing on my feet,
Then she yelled at me "BABY BURNER" !
I got to my best friends home a bit later and needed smokes,
He had to buy them for me, and the beers, I wasn't 21 yet.
Here in America kids are told that violence is wrong, , ,
Then they join the Army and are told that violence is the only way to stop an aggressor.
Then they come home and are told that violence is wrong, , again, ,
, , and people wonder WHY they go nuts?!?!?!
My family was lucky, my grandfathers were too young to go to World War I, Portugal was neutral during World War II and only one cousin was old enough to go to the army during the colonial war (that lasted 13 years) in what were then the Portuguese colonies in Africa (Guinea Bissau, Angola and Mozambique) but he remained here and was still on duty when the Carnation Revolution ended the war and gave those colonies (along with Cape Verde, St. Tome and Principe and East Timor) their independence.
But I know some people (including my boss) that were sent to the war, and almost all received some psychiatric treatment when they returned (those that returned, from the almost 300,000 men from the Portuguese forces 8827 were killed, while more than 50,000 guerilla fighters were killed, besides another 50,000 civilians).
So, while we do have some thousands of veterans, we don't have that problem of that dual treatment (violence is bad at home but you are supposed to do it when in the army), and, as far as I remember, we never had those "baby killer" treatments from the common citizens, something that I really don't understand, as the soldiers come from the same common population.
(http://www.mirshalak.org/images/fascism-early-warning-signs+.jpg)
More details, with citations and related case studies, can be found here (http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm).
The relevance to this particular thread, is the fourth listed characteristic; supremacy of/reverence shown towards the military, which is directly conducive to the creation and maintenance of a fascist society.
I just wanted to say thanks for remembering vets, not make a political statement . So thanks again.
Quote from: petrus4 on September 01, 2014, 01:03:21 AM
(http://www.mirshalak.org/images/fascism-early-warning-signs+.jpg)
More details, with citations and related case studies, can be found here (http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm).
The relevance to this particular thread, is the fourth listed characteristic; supremacy of/reverence shown towards the military, which is directly conducive to the creation and maintenance of a fascist society.
petrus, you are so way off the mark with this one it is pathetic...
Back, our veterans do not get a break for the most part; they are trained and put thru hell in combat then for the most part tossed back on the street with PTSD, health issues from injuries and experimental vaccines, and no one wants to acknowledge them or help them...
the VA is a total farce, and there are too many liberals screaming and hollering at them for doing there job...
Heal, broken toy, and work for better things and better times...
And to all veterans out there, thank you for your service...
seeker
Quote from: the seeker on September 01, 2014, 01:31:58 AM
petrus, you are so way off the mark with this one it is pathetic...
No, I am not. It is simply that what I am expressing is taboo, and goes against the prevailing bias that is held here. I will cease and desist, but my last statement in this thread is going to be an acknowledgement of the fact, that there is a difference between an opinion being iconoclastic, and it being demonstrably incorrect.
Back,
My heart is with you in your quest for healing, and to those who have
served to make this world a safer place, my thanks to you all.
I honor and support all who have served..
while giving space to those who do not ..can not
until we can all look at others as equals we are doomed to have armies
so in the meantime I will do what I can for those who served
Back..you know how I feel
blessings
Greetings:
We have your back, brother.
Call me if you wish, anytime.
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Bluebird/lg50aa500a.gif)
tfw
Peace Love Light
Liberty & Equality or Revolution
Hec'el oinipikte (that we shall live)
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Quote from: Back on August 31, 2014, 10:31:54 PM
Ok
If you all want to know why I am a broken toy.
Look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_l4Ab5FRwM
Bless
Back
You have my respect Back...from a vet.
The thing that worries me about military careers is that they start so young. In the UK many people have told me they would have chosen something different were they an adult. At 17/18 years old we are still practically children but are allowed to choose a career that can involve being shot at and shooting/bombing people. The chance to learn a trade and, "become a man," is also enticing. Obviously I'm not referring to conscription, which often amounts to a cull of the poorest in society depending on the country.
I have sympathy for all veterans. That does not make what Petrus says untrue (under fascism the military is supreme) even if it isn't in the spirit of the thread. We do have similar problems in the UK with virtually no Psychological support for returning vets.
The link says its unavailable in my country :(
Presuming it was about Vets, Petrus' contribution is far from irrelevant or pathetic.
It's quite pertinent, as always, and Fascism should always remain at the forefront of our minds.... We know what happens when its not.
Quote from: Pimander on September 01, 2014, 10:33:11 AM
The thing that worries me about military careers is that they start so young. In the UK many people have told me they would have chosen something different were they an adult. At 17/18 years old we are still practically children but are allowed to choose a career that can involve being shot at and shooting/bombing people. The chance to learn a trade and, "become a man," is also enticing. Obviously I'm not referring to conscription, which often amounts to a cull of the poorest in society depending on the country.
Yea, you have to be 21 to buy a beer, but as you state, you can join up to kill/ be killed from the age of 17 - a full 5 years before physical brain maturity.
A prime time to go through the brainwashing process of Basic Training, complete with the stripping of your regular rights, sleep deprevation, phyical torture, sensory manipulation, mental manipulation, biased education, and the removal of the individual intinct- just to name a few.
(FYI, I spent time in the Armed forces for a brief few weeks, and true to form, even then I experienced all of the above).
What has happened to American and UK veterans is appalling to say the least, hence why I would rather educate people on the reasons why they should not presently join the armed forces.. Lambs to the slaughter and pawns in the game.
People, you need to learn to read and comprehend; and I will re-phrase my comments here...
I DID NOT say anything about Petrus's remarks being untrue, I said he was way off the mark,
meaning it is not in good taste or appropriate in this context of this thread, for there is nothing in the OP concerning Fascism or the perils/warning signs of it...
it is about the struggle of Mr Back and many thousands of others with health issues, mental and physical disabilities, and their treatment by the rest of society...
but apparently you lot can't see that, so I will refrain from engaging after this and send my thoughts and support for Back directly to him...
seeker
Well, I can't see the video, so I'll excuse myself, I will note however that disregard for the well bein of Vet's is an early warning sign of Fascim.
Once again some here feel the need, the absolute right to..... Ah.. Never mind. It's no use.... Thanks for remembering vets & their struggles.
I still cant watch that without crying like a baby.
I want to thank all of you that looked at it. Even Petrus.
Yes it is a struggle every day but I am lucky. I came BACK and still function. So many are not able to.
Half of my work crew are young men that have come back from Iran or Iraq. My boss guestions me about why I keep these "misfits" around. These young men need a chance and time to heal.
The attitude of my boss makes me sick. Because the general population sees it the same way.
Again thanks for looking.
Bless
Back
Quote from: Back on September 01, 2014, 01:31:48 PM
Yes it is a struggle every day but I am lucky. I came BACK and still function. So many are not able to.
Half of my work crew are young men that have come back from Iran or Iraq. My boss guestions me about why I keep these "misfits" around. These young men need a chance and time to heal.
The attitude of my boss makes me sick. Because the general population sees it the same way.
The saddest thing for me is that people often join up out of Patriotism but then their country drops them like a stone when they have served their purpose.
It sounds like you need a new boss, Back. I wouldn't want to make him/her wealthy with my sweat.
Sinny, I can see the video and I'm in the UK. I'd try again mate if you want to see it.
Quote from: Back on September 01, 2014, 01:31:48 PM
The attitude of my boss makes me sick. Because the general population sees it the same way.
That's what I don't understand in this whole case, don't people see that their brothers/sons/nephews/friends/neighbours/whatever could end up in the same situation? Don't those people think they need armed forces to protect their country? Even a small, poor, peaceful country like Portugal needs them. From where are they expecting those to come from, the rich or the common population?
I really don't understand that "we against them" attitude of those people. ???
PS: having lived in a fascist regime, I didn't see any special glorification of the armed forces, they were presented as people that were doing their patriotic duty, like the other people that followed the rules.
Quote from: the seeker on September 01, 2014, 11:19:57 AM
People, you need to learn to read and comprehend; and I will re-phrase my comments here...
I DID NOT say anything about Petrus's remarks being untrue, I said he was way off the mark,
meaning it is not in good taste or appropriate in this context of this thread, for there is nothing in the OP concerning Fascism or the perils/warning signs of it...
it is about the struggle of Mr Back and many thousands of others with health issues, mental and physical disabilities, and their treatment by the rest of society...
but apparently you lot can't see that, so I will refrain from engaging after this and send my thoughts and support for Back directly to him...
seeker
I would say it is less about "the rest of society" and more about what the psychopaths in control are choosing to allow to happen. I have yet to meet anyOne personally that does not think this is deplorable that ANYONE should be homeless. Whether They served the role of pawn or not is irrelevant. Humans should not have to live like that.
But all These I meet have no say alone, and seemingly little influence united. They don't know what else there is to do.
Quote from: ArMaP on September 01, 2014, 09:05:25 PM
PS: having lived in a fascist regime, I didn't see any special glorification of the armed forces, they were presented as people that were doing their patriotic duty, like the other people that followed the rules.
I was thinking of the Romans (Caesar), Spanish (Franco), Italian (Mussolini) and German III Reich (Hitler). The dictators of those fascist regimes were always presented as military heroes and in Rome practically deified. I'd say that presenting the profession of your supreme leader as a military man to be precisely that. It is certainly glorifying the military in my view.
Quote from: Pimander on September 01, 2014, 10:31:46 PM
I'd say that presenting the profession of your supreme leader as a military man to be precisely that. It is certainly glorifying the military in my view.
I don't want to derail the thread (more than I already did, I should have thought of that when I added that PS :( ), but Portugal was different, as the president didn't have (and still doesn't have) any real powers (although he is the chief of the armed forces) and the dictator was the prime minister, a law graduate specialized in finance and economy.
I know I said I was finished here, but in light of subsequent comments, I wish to offer some additional clarification.
a} I do not approve of the manner in which I have observed the governments of several countries (without specifically naming names) treating their veterans. If governments expect veterans to go through experiences which will leave them incapable of fending for themselves when they return, then said governments have a duty of care to said veterans. At the very least, that means a liveable pension for the rest of their lives, but it should also mean whatever pharmacological or other therapeutic measures said veterans require, as well.
b} I do not consider any major conflict since at least WW2 to have been sufficiently justifiable that I feel that anyone within the military is owed my gratitude for their participation. I do not believe that the War on Terror has a legitimate foreign component. I believe that it has been created almost exclusively by the American intelligence community, who have used Islamic individuals as proxies. If you do not believe me on this, do your own research. There is more than adequate documentation of it available.
c} In addition to the War on Terror having been a farce, as far as I know, there has been no conscription or involuntary drafting for it. As a result, any veterans who are now maimed due to participation in it, made an entirely voluntary choice, and are now living with the consequences of that choice. This is a second reason why you do not deserve my thanks, and you will not be getting it. If you had been conscripted, and if the GWOT had been in any way justifiable, then I might feel differently; but neither of those conditions are true, so I do not.
d} I consider the level of sycophancy that is typically shown by the American population, in contemporary terms, towards veterans and the military in general, to be both sociologically dangerous and genuinely disgusting. The degree of outrage that I feel regarding this, is doubled by the fact that I typically become the target of anger from online veterans with entitlement complexes, who have come to believe that they deserve constant fawning from civilians. Again, you will not be receiving that from me.
If anyone wants to consider my own contributions to this thread to have been in poor taste, then I will reply by stating that in my own mind, a thread being started for the specific purpose of veterans deliberately drawing attention to themselves, is in equally poor taste itself; if not moreso.
Finally, I will also point out that in this response, I am attempting to be rational. From what I have observed, the majority of responses to this thread, and the underlying motivation behind them, have been purely emotional. The level of deference that is shown towards veterans, comes from a sense of moral obligation to do so; which again, is virtually never subjected to genuine critical analysis. I believe it should be.
Petrus, just wondering what that has to do with the topic "Broken." ??? ??? ???
Quote from: spacemaverick on September 02, 2014, 02:46:05 AM
Petrus, just wondering what that has to do with the topic "Broken." ??? ??? ???
It has to do with my initial assertion; that reverence shown towards active or former military, is conducive to both the creation and maintenance of a fascist state, which is the purpose for which this thread was created.
Quote from: petrus4 on September 02, 2014, 02:48:46 AM
It has to do with my initial assertion; that reverence shown towards active or former military, is conducive to both the creation and maintenance of a fascist state, which is the purpose for which this thread was created.
You are entitled to your view/opinion.
Quote from: spacemaverick on September 02, 2014, 02:46:05 AM
Petrus, just wondering what that has to do with the topic "Broken." ??? ??? ???
just gave you GOLD!...
thanks brother
Rock
Quote from: petrus4 on September 01, 2014, 02:13:48 AM
No, I am not. It is simply that what I am expressing is taboo, and goes against the prevailing bias that is held here. I will cease and desist, but my last statement in this thread is going to be an acknowledgement of the fact, that there is a difference between an opinion being iconoclastic, and it being demonstrably incorrect.
I find it MOST disturbing that there is always a group of people that feel the pathological need to pounce on everything to pontificate their twisted views of the world
Is it really so hard for you guys to just put your personal biases on the shelf for ONE MINUTE and lend an ear and a hand to a fellow forum member who shares his personal story.
You scream Fascism at everything in the news yet if this were a fascist state YOUR freedom to spew crap would be the first thing that is gone. Ponder on that for just a minute.
Our system is not perfect, but until people with GUTS step up and change it at the top levels, it's the best we have. And in the meantime, yes we still need soldiers to protect your right to mouth off
::)
Besides that being a WARRIOR is GLORIOUS It's in our blood, it's in our sports and it's even in our video games.
Until you change the nature of the Beast, this basic truth will not change EVER
LONG LIVE CAID!!!
(http://royals.sca-caid.org/inc/63/e2m2-cpprize-300.jpg)
Quote from: Sinny on September 01, 2014, 11:44:33 AM
Well, I can't see the video, so I'll excuse myself, I will note however that disregard for the well bein of Vet's is an early warning sign of Fascim.
The video and thread are about a Member's personal struggles. Seems to me a moments silence and respect is not a lot to ask before plugging an Agenda
Oh and in case many hadn't noticed...
Pegasus is PRO MILITARY Where do you think we get our scoops from? Many members and watchers are retired and active military. Heck they even advertise with paid links on the Air Force Star Gate page
You are entitled to your opinion, many died so you can say what you will (within reason) but a smart person knows when to engage and when to hold ones tongue
Just sayin'
::)
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 01, 2014, 09:51:38 PM
I would say it is less about "the rest of society" and more about what the psychopaths in control are choosing to allow to happen.
These "psychopaths" you speak of... are they only in the USA? Or are they also running other countries that would like to see us and out way of life exterminated?
What are you and the others that share your views DOING about getting those local "psychopaths" out of office?
Do you think talking about it will dislodge them or will it take affirmative action (like a military takeover or coup)
If it came to push or shove to remove said "psychopaths"... would you and others that share your view, say those in Anonymoose, march on the "psychopaths" and remove them?
Or is it easier to attack "we the people" who try to cope withing the current paradign?
Just askin
::)
z is golden
Z
I am sure this was said with as much sarcasm as you could give.
QuoteBesides that being a WARRIOR is GLORIOUS
The few that believe this are twisted. I have never talked to a Vet that thought this.
I am sorry for starting this. Maybe I will start that lapidary thread. Cutting a stone so you can see its beauty is soothing.
Bless
Back
Quote from: Back on September 03, 2014, 12:09:55 AM
I am sorry for starting this.
Don't be my friend. No matter what we say or do there will ALWAYS be those that disagree, whether justified or not
Don't forget that only 20% of "We the peole.." fought in the Revolution. The rest where whining and hiding under their beds... but now all thump their chest shouting "Freedom!!!! "
::)
QuoteMaybe I will start that lapidary thread. Cutting a stone so you can see its beauty is soothing.
Hold off on that for a few days Let me create ( or sort) that section
Quote from: zorgon on September 02, 2014, 11:29:53 PM
I find it MOST disturbing that there is always a group of people that feel the pathological need to pounce on everything to pontificate their twisted views of the world
Is it really so hard for you guys to just put your personal biases on the shelf for ONE MINUTE and lend an ear and a hand to a fellow forum member who shares his personal story.
You scream Fascism at everything in the news yet if this were a fascist state YOUR freedom to spew crap would be the first thing that is gone. Ponder on that for just a minute.
Our system is not perfect, but until people with GUTS step up and change it at the top levels, it's the best we have. And in the meantime, yes we still need soldiers to protect your right to mouth off
::)
Besides that being a WARRIOR is GLORIOUS It's in our blood, it's in our sports and it's even in our video games.
Until you change the nature of the Beast, this basic truth will not change EVER
LONG LIVE CAID!!!
(http://royals.sca-caid.org/inc/63/e2m2-cpprize-300.jpg)
That it is moving into sublimation is a good thing, yes. Get it out in games where no One dies (as a rule). But lifetaking is a whole nother ballgame. It's time We ended that behavior, and clearly many of Us are trying to do so. The money, though, is flowing to war. Profiteering at its ugliest.
And We stand aghast. What can We do but share solutions?
Quote from: Back on September 03, 2014, 12:09:55 AM
The few that believe this are twisted. I have never talked to a Vet that thought this.
Oddly enough the "Nature of the Beast" DOES think "War is Glorious".. it's in all our movies, our competitions, etc... We are born to need to win...
But when people actually go out into battle, the reality soon sets in. Unfortunately it doesn't stop "Nature of the Beast" from planning the next one
Perhaps we need some Alien Moderators to 'watch' over us
::)
Now about those Gems How do we get some of that Martian Opal? 8)
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 03, 2014, 12:22:06 AM
And We stand aghast. What can We do but share solutions?
Well the early Americans had less than we do today....
They fought against the Tyranny of the British Overlords with pitchforks...
So do not tell me that there is nothing we can do...
One first has to have the WILL to make a change...
Its too bad that what those American Illuminati created was destroyed on 1914 by Woodrow Wilson having sold out to the Banker... sigh It was a glorious nation until that fateful day
Quote from: Back on August 31, 2014, 10:31:54 PM
Ok
If you all want to know why I am a broken toy.
Look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_l4Ab5FRwM
Bless
Back
ONCE AGAIN....WATCH THE VIDEO
(AT THE VERY LEAST, GO TO 5:14 OF THE VIDEO AND CALL OR CONTACT ONE OF THESE AGENCIES)..
THAT'S WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT!
as a side note: at the bottom of the UMLR website is this:
A portion of all proceeds from all sales is donated directly to www.VansForVets.Org
and is used to help support Disabled and Homeless U.S. Veterans, Families and At-Risk Youth
thank you
Rock
Well nature of the beast or as I call it thee machine it is the same thing.
So heck with the martian opals. If your collection is as big as I think I would love to talk you out of some "scrap"
Off topic I know but I have no more to say.
Bless
Back
Great thread..I support several organizations mentioned, and I
guess I could be called a vet..Drafted in 1956, Korea 1957-58.
Even though did not see action, when I returned home, I was a
changed person.Angry and agressive..However, everyone stuck
by me..My girlfriend,(we have been married 55 years), my union
(UAW) and my employer( Chrysler), was on layoff for six months,
and the week the unemployment checks ended, Chrysler called
and offered me a job in a different city.I stuck with all three and
am now retired. I would wish this for all returning vets..Please
support your vets..Everyone I met while in the army, was a good
and honorable person, some were Korean soldiers, and friends.
rubicon
Just want to add this thought..Do not speak disparagingly of
your guardian angel..whether it is the angel hovering above,
the policeman down the street, or the man or woman in uniform
facing an enemy they do not understand for reasons they do not
know..They are there for your protection..
rubicon
Quote from: zorgon on September 03, 2014, 12:29:12 AM
Well the early Americans had less than we do today....
They fought against the Tyranny of the British Overlords with pitchforks...
So do not tell me that there is nothing we can do...
One first has to have the WILL to make a change...
Its too bad that what those American Illuminati created was destroyed on 1914 by Woodrow Wilson having sold out to the Banker... sigh It was a glorious nation until that fateful day
AMEN ZORGON......
I'd like to further discuss and explore the concept of 'respect'...
But I won't. ::)
Quote from: zorgon on September 03, 2014, 12:29:12 AM
Its too bad that what those American Illuminati created was destroyed on 1914 by Woodrow Wilson having sold out to the Banker... sigh It was a glorious nation until that fateful day
I suggest that it was destroyed earlier than that. 1871, to be exact. In 1871, the corporation, THE UNITED STATES, was created, ostensibly for the District of Columbus, and share holders are foreign (THE CROWN (a corporation) and THE VATICAN (a corporation)). It was in payment for the war debt from the civil war. In that year Lincoln issued the first "executive order." In that year, the organic and original government was abandoned and a district corporation began masquerading as the government.
In the organic, original, there is no provision for executive orders - something that upsets the careful and deliberate balance of power the founding Individuals placed into the original setup.
Yes, in 1914, the bankers got direct control of the country/corporartion though the system of money. But the country was sold out long before then.
Quote from: 08rubicon on September 03, 2014, 03:12:48 AM
Just want to add this thought..Do not speak disparagingly of
your guardian angel..whether it is the angel hovering above,
the policeman down the street, or the man or woman in uniform
facing an enemy they do not understand for reasons they do not
know..They are there for your protection..
rubicon
Appeals to fear are not accepted.
Quote from: Amaterasu on September 03, 2014, 06:13:38 PM
Yes, in 1914, the bankers got direct control of the country/corporartion though the system of money. But the country was sold out long before then.
Well you can always try Russia I hear it worked for Snowden
::)
You know, it is a pretty crazy situation, that as terrible as it is for the country of America to have sold its soul, as is proffered here, how in the _ _ _ _ (fill in the blanks) has America become the greatest country in the world, and has held that status even unto today (discounting what the marxist/socialist currently in office has done, because it still can be redeemed)??
Well, I can answer my own question too, but I won't do that in this thread, except say it has been the underpinning and backbone of this country from the beginning that has been a primary factor for America's achievement! ~~~~~
Quote from: petrus4 on September 02, 2014, 02:36:06 AM
I know I said I was finished here, but in light of subsequent comments, I wish to offer some additional clarification.
a} I do not approve of the manner in which I have observed the governments of several countries (without specifically naming names) treating their veterans. If governments expect veterans to go through experiences which will leave them incapable of fending for themselves when they return, then said governments have a duty of care to said veterans. At the very least, that means a liveable pension for the rest of their lives, but it should also mean whatever pharmacological or other therapeutic measures said veterans require, as well.
b} I do not consider any major conflict since at least WW2 to have been sufficiently justifiable that I feel that anyone within the military is owed my gratitude for their participation. I do not believe that the War on Terror has a legitimate foreign component. I believe that it has been created almost exclusively by the American intelligence community, who have used Islamic individuals as proxies. If you do not believe me on this, do your own research. There is more than adequate documentation of it available.
c} In addition to the War on Terror having been a farce, as far as I know, there has been no conscription or involuntary drafting for it. As a result, any veterans who are now maimed due to participation in it, made an entirely voluntary choice, and are now living with the consequences of that choice. This is a second reason why you do not deserve my thanks, and you will not be getting it. If you had been conscripted, and if the GWOT had been in any way justifiable, then I might feel differently; but neither of those conditions are true, so I do not.
d} I consider the level of sycophancy that is typically shown by the American population, in contemporary terms, towards veterans and the military in general, to be both sociologically dangerous and genuinely disgusting. The degree of outrage that I feel regarding this, is doubled by the fact that I typically become the target of anger from online veterans with entitlement complexes, who have come to believe that they deserve constant fawning from civilians. Again, you will not be receiving that from me.
If anyone wants to consider my own contributions to this thread to have been in poor taste, then I will reply by stating that in my own mind, a thread being started for the specific purpose of veterans deliberately drawing attention to themselves, is in equally poor taste itself; if not moreso.
Finally, I will also point out that in this response, I am attempting to be rational. From what I have observed, the majority of responses to this thread, and the underlying motivation behind them, have been purely emotional. The level of deference that is shown towards veterans, comes from a sense of moral obligation to do so; which again, is virtually never subjected to genuine critical analysis. I believe it should be.
when my husband joined, the military was not at war. it was all quiet and people were joining for the medical, dental and schooling opportunities. he joined and tried to get a position as a chaplain's assistant, but there were no openings, so he opted to work in the mail room and eventually as a records manager. he never carried a gun, nor was he required to shoot people for his entire 20+ years of service. that essentially means that while he was supporting the military, his involvement in the killing part of the military was about as significant as a taxpayer's support. if you live in a country with a military that you pay taxes to support, welcome to the planet, as most people in the military never shoot a person or drop a bomb or fly a drone.
You raise a point about the tex payers being complicit.
However, at least we have a few hundred thousand tax payer standing outside Downing Street and Washington protesting against the military policies. We are ignored in our own democracy... Sorry, I meant plutocracy.
As Einstein put it "the world will always know war, until the soldiers them selves refuse to fight". Para phrased obviously.
We all know most people sign up to the armed forces for the perks, and not really for the killing, besides the minority...
However Petrus still raises a good point in noting that active service in combat tours is completely voluntary. If someone makes a choice to go kill strangers, they still make that choice.... Depending how much indepandant thought the basic brainwashing has taken from them.
Final note: there is no glory or honour in war.
Quote from: zorgon on September 02, 2014, 11:41:24 PM
What are you and the others that share your views DOING about getting those local "psychopaths" out of office?
Does spreading ideas that need to spread to work count? Come on z, You really didn't say THAT, did You? LOL!
QuoteDo you think talking about it will dislodge them or will it take affirmative action (like a military takeover or coup)
You assume these are the only possibilities. "Talking about it" helps keep it in Consciousness, but the efforts in sharing the ideas are the key factor.
QuoteIf it came to push or shove to remove said "psychopaths"... would you and others that share your view, say those in Anonymoose, march on the "psychopaths" and remove them?
If the 95% of Us whose standard of living will improve choose to create differently will the psychopaths do the dirt Themselves? Start the energy flowing and have statistically all of Us on the same page - which hasn't happened before, but then neither has the ability to remove money from the equation here - and We will create better.
Would appreciate not being lumped. I am one Human speaking as one Human, with no desire to focus on Me and the anon path served both to help spread awareness and hid My one buck tooth. (Ooooo. A personal detail! LOL!) AnyOne - in the anon structure or any other structure - that wants to share the ideas, do what They can towards that goal, are welcome to do so.
QuoteOr is it easier to attack "we the people" who try to cope withing the current paradign?
Surely it is not Me You're thinking of here. I have never "attack[ed] "we the people"" in any way. It is Me who says the average Human is beautiful and is merely beset with the acts and actions of a very few psychopaths who have all the money and therefore power. You on the other hand, insist We Humans are violent, crazy, power-hungry, warriors ready to slaughter One anOther on any provocation, believing this is true based on fantasy and games We play within.
Quote from: zorgon on September 05, 2014, 04:10:48 AM
Well you can always try Russia I hear it worked for Snowden
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WTF does that mean? I'm stumped. How is it relevant to the corporate history of the entity posing as "government?"
Quote from: undo11 on September 05, 2014, 08:32:29 AM
most people in the military never shoot a person or drop a bomb or fly a drone.
yeah BUT....
...he has intel we need on secret space program stuff
::)
Quote from: Sinny on September 05, 2014, 04:24:23 PM
You raise a point about the tex payers being complicit.
However, at least we have a few hundred thousand tax payer standing outside Downing Street and Washington protesting against the military policies. We are ignored in our own democracy... Sorry, I meant plutocracy.
As Einstein put it "the world will always know war, until the soldiers them selves refuse to fight". Para phrased obviously.
We all know most people sign up to the armed forces for the perks, and not really for the killing, besides the minority...
However Petrus still raises a good point in noting that active service in combat tours is completely voluntary. If someone makes a choice to go kill strangers, they still make that choice.... Depending how much indepandant thought the basic brainwashing has taken from them.
Final note: there is no glory or honour in war.
well once you are "hired" to do service for your country, you are invested and have an obligation that you swore to do to your best ability. just to give you some idea, at least 50% of people who enlist, don't make it past boot camp. another 50% don't make it out of the school that follows boot camp. and then something like 70% don't re-enlist after the first 4 years. over 90% of people who enlisted, don't make it to the 20 year retirement age. to make it the full 20 years, you have to be really dedicated and willing to put up with some horrible stuff that is often not done to other people, but to you as a soldier. you become a living, breathing, intelligent guinea pig. they own you lock, stock and barrel, and even though they don't own your children or your spouses, the powers that be have no qualms about abusing entire families or risking their lives for their little experiments they do to the soldiers.
Quote from: zorgon on September 05, 2014, 10:29:11 PM
yeah BUT....
...he has intel we need on secret space program stuff
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no he doesn't. he just saw a weird craft. that's all i've ever heard from him, although i've accused him teasingly, of being like arnold's true lies movie character, who makes his wife think his job is mundane when in fact, it's all super secret agenty stuff. but no, he's just what he said he was, a desk jockey. and now that he's retired, he's still a desk jockey.
what i think is happening is the money guys don't want to pay the retirement pensions to the military people they used to take over the world. so they are beating that drum of claiming that a pension or medical benefit is an entitlement, when in fact, its just like social security -- an agreement made between the person and the government, to guarantee income when the person is retirement age, in exchange for investment of time, labor and/or money investment over time. and now that they've spent everyone's social security monies on other stuff, they want to renig on that as well.
Wow
I said that I was done with this thread but I see .
So I will say this I was a highly trained Marine.
I posted on Peggy my sighying of a ufo including time dates dirrections ect and where is it.
Some one need to do some home work.
O and I just broke L4 L5 2 shrapenal ect
I just want answers
Bless
B
my big question is similar to armap's. without a military your country would be subject to invasions and incursions all the time. the issue at hand is, who owns the us military. if its the banking cartel, their leadership contains several unnamed participants from signatory countries, which means those countries are in some way benefitting from the actions of the us military. in effect, the us military has become the world's guns for hire, even if most of the military members never see combat or use a gun. then the whole thing is blamed on the american people and/or the families of the military.
you can't make this stuff up!
Quote from: Back on September 05, 2014, 11:09:45 PM
Wow
I said that I was done with this thread but I see .
So I will say this I was a highly trained Marine.
I posted on Peggy my sighying of a ufo including time dates dirrections ect and where is it.
Some one need to do some home work.
O and I just broke L4 L5 2 shrapenal ect
I just want answers
Bless
B
gosh, that's awful. wish i could give you some medical advice, but that's such a difficult area of the body.
anybody else have any nutritional / herbal / homeopathetic suggestions for back?
Back, I busted L3,L4, and L5 in my spine in 1980; refused surgery to fuse it, found a dr that put me in home therapy traction and took 5,000 units of vitamin c a day for almost two years, plus didn't do much of anything to strain it; they basically fused themselves into one large disc...
after 35 years it seldom if ever bothers me, and I do go to a chiropractor when I need it...
hang in there, bud...
seeker
Quote from: Back on September 05, 2014, 11:09:45 PM
Wow
I said that I was done with this thread but I see .
So I will say this I was a highly trained Marine.
I posted on Peggy my sighying of a ufo including time dates dirrections ect and where is it.
Some one need to do some home work.
O and I just broke L4 L5 2 shrapenal ect
I just want answers
Bless
B
Sorry to hear about the back issues...wish I could help.
I came across this a bit ago and saved it.. maybe some of the info will be useful to someone
http://www.homeopathyandmore.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=53130&highlight=
back..hugs and sending light
After 8-1/2 years, usually buried in a mountain or a steel encased buildings, I've never had any medical issues from my service in the Army. I did get poked with all kinds of vaccinations that I didn't have control over and I sometimes can't remember things and then suddenly a certain memory will pop into my head out of the clear blue and I can't believe that I had forgotten those things. But nothing physical, thank God.....
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on September 06, 2014, 12:46:42 AM
After 8-1/2 years, usually buried in a mountain or a steel encased buildings, I've never had any medical issues from my service in the Army. I did get poked with all kinds of vaccinations that I didn't have control over and I sometimes can't remember things and then suddenly a certain memory will pop into my head out of the clear blue and I can't believe that I had forgotten those things. But nothing physical, thank God.....
the sometimes can't remember things, thing, is either old age or a wee bit of ye olde mycoplasmic infection (in the vaccines)
Quote from: undo11 on September 06, 2014, 01:14:17 AM
the sometimes can't remember things, thing, is either old age or a wee bit of ye olde mycoplasmic infection (in the vaccines)
I know it's probably old age as I'm almost 65, but these things were pretty important to me at the time as I couldn't believe that me, little ole' me was actually doing it....lol
I was fortunate that I never had any injuries in my days in Air Defense. Was a vulcan crewman, squad leader then PSG...8 years and then switched to USAF for 3 as munitions maint. tech...no injuries there. Just fortunate I guess...Did not go to Vietnam but a number of friends did not come back from there. It is what it is. Every soldier who serves his country knows the risks and when they sign up...they basically wrote a check with their life for their country...no matter what country that may be.
Quote from: undo11 on September 05, 2014, 10:37:29 PM
but no, he's just what he said he was, a desk jockey. and now that he's retired, he's still a desk jockey.
I will take your word on that :P
However every secret order ever signed was done on a desk... every file that was ever redacted was done on a desk.
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Quote from: zorgon on September 06, 2014, 06:14:53 AM
I will take your word on that :P
However every secret order ever signed was done on a desk... every file that was ever redacted was done on a desk.
::)
lol well let me put it this way: if he wasn't supposed to tell me something, he didn't, so therefore, he's just a desk jockey. lol
Even desk jockeys are part of the team. It takes all kinds of specialties to make the team function. We wouldn't have gotten paid if it wasn't for a desk jockey. Desk jockeys print up the orders to get things done...as well as many other support elements...
Quote from: spacemaverick on September 06, 2014, 07:09:50 AM
Even desk jockeys are part of the team. It takes all kinds of specialties to make the team function. We wouldn't have gotten paid if it wasn't for a desk jockey. Desk jockeys print up the orders to get things done...as well as many other support elements...
right but he never told me about any secret space program :D
i'm not saying it doesn't exist, cause i think a launch platform in the middle of the ocean could certainly make that possible. but i just learned that from doing a google search or something