Kecksburg UFO Crash - 12/9/1965
Just watched another Unsolved Mysteries episode that showed this UFO incident...
It was a object that landed in Kecksberg ,Pennsylvania in 1965...and found by locals who witnessed it crash..
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c864a0ddba65.jpg)
It was described as a large metal bell-like structure the size of a Volkswagon Beetle with Egyptian hieroglyph-like markings etched into it, about eight feet long, and was in the shape of an acorn...
Shortly after the Military arrived and closed the area off and had it placed upon the back of a truck and towed away...after they also had placed something in a large box...
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DmhZpQrwVes/UW00WT4JTeI/AAAAAAAAPf4/vBi06suv4Mw/s400/ovni-en-kecksburg.jpg)
Here is a copy of what I watched, but unfortunately it is a poor quality video..but I found it interesting to watch...
Initially I thought it was something from a spacecraft that had crashed, but the markings suggest it was not !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAe_KXmEEPk
ah Astro
this happened only about an hour from me...but at the time I was too young to understand..
it was and still is a big deal around here..but most of the witnesses have passed
HOWEVER
Stan Gordon keeps it going
so check this out
http://www.stangordon.info/wp/
Kecksburg Incident and Updates
;D
Hi Sky,
That is a surprise to me to read it happened not so far of where you live...If it would have occurred within the last few years, I am sure it would have been something that you may have tried to investigate if you got to know about it shortly after the event..
The link looks interesting..
Thanks for posting it..I will check it out..
Cheers
Astr0
Astro
so much stuff has gone on around here it's amazing
the nikey sites.
then numec where isreal got their plutonium..stolen or given..?
coal - steel and medical research and now computers and robots
and of course Marcellus..
only to mention a few
lots of things to see in the sky
and many sightings of crypto critters..
I have felt it was because we are on a mercury line (astro cartography) but that's just my guess
I'm sure you will enjoy that site..Stan has written a book on kecksburg and interviews most of the folks involved...he's a really cool guy and very honest..which is the part I like
Astro
I remembered that Stan archived his original site
here
http://stangordon.info/oldsite.htm
and the kecksburg stuff is here
http://stangordon.info/kecksburg.htm
with this at the end
For a synopsis of the Kecksburg UFO incident, as well as related news stories, information about the NASA Fragology Files and the CFI lawsuit regarding the Kecksburg case, visit the Coalition for Freedom of Information website at www.freedomofinfo.org.
(Click on the Freedom of Information button on the left side of the CFI page to access this information)
Looks like an "Escape Pod" to me, , , , , :)
ah norval you must have heard the one about the Nazi bell ;)
these stories seem to run on some type of repeat cycle
Beyond Science
Unsettled History: The Nazi Bell Aircraft in American Skies
By Paul Darin, Epoch Times | February 8, 2014
Last Updated: February 8, 2014 8:09 am
The Nazi Bell, an aircraft involving antigravity technology, disappeared after World War II, but crafts with the same design have allegedly been sighted across the United States, leading some to believe that the U.S. government has the Nazi Bell and is experimenting with it.
It is said that during the Nazi occupation of Poland, the Nazis—specifically Nazi scientist Wernher von Braun and SS General Hans Kammler—were working on a craft that used electromagnetism as its propulsion. The craft was known as "Die Glocke" or "The Bell."
Some sketches of the craft have survived, according to the History Channel, and they specify dimensions of 10 feet high and 5 feet in diameter.
There is no evidence to support the project's use during World War II, but there is evidence of its development. As Germany was being invaded by the Allies, the entire bell project—along with project leader Kammler—disappeared.
Conspiracy theorists suggest that the Nazi Bell was taken to the United States—as were many German scientists—and that the United States has continued research on the technology.
Both von Braun and Kammler were developers of advanced German weapons and rocketry, including the V–2 rocket. Von Braun surrendered to allied forces during Germany's fall and was enlisted in the U.S. government for advanced propulsion and rocket development. Von Braun headed up the Saturn rocket development for NASA and played a significant role in putting Americans on the moon with the successful Saturn V rocket used in Apollo 11, according to PBS.
UFO supporters believe the German bell craft is related to the UFO crash in Kecksburg, Pa., on Dec. 9, 1965. Perhaps the most famous UFO incident second to Roswell, the Kecksburg incident involved many eye witnesses who saw a fiery streak overhead and a crash. There were civilian responders to the crash before the Army, National Security Agency, Department of Defense, and NASA showed up to claim the object, according to UFO Evidence.
Allegedly, first responders included Kecksburg volunteer firefighters, who saw an acorn-shaped object half-buried where it went down in the woods. Other residents claim to have made it to the site before authorities and reported seeing a golden-bronze colored, acorn-shaped craft large enough to fit just one occupant and marked with strange hieroglyphic writing. The object appeared to be one solid piece of metal with no rivets or seams, according to UFO Evidence.
Hundreds of witnesses were near the crash site but were reportedly turned away by military personnel. Some witnesses saw the object leaving on a flatbed truck. In 2005, NASA revealed that the object was a downed Soviet satellite, contrary to their earlier claims, according to Today in History. NASA also claimed that all records of the incident were misplaced sometime in the 1990s.
Other sightings of bell-shaped UFOs over America include four bell-shaped objects sighted over Maryland on April 5, 2009, and a more recent domed, bell-shaped UFO floating over Colorado on Jan. 15, 2013.
Perhaps the origin of these bell-shaped objects—be it Nazi-designed, American reverse-engineered, or extraterrestrial—will never be known, even though these objects continue to be seen throughout America and abroad.
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/495368-unsolved-history-the-nazi-bell-aircraft-in-american-skies/
An acorn with a flattened end? A warhead that had detached from a missile but not exploded. Sounds dangerous and the military have units that are quick to move in on sites like this. It is standard operating procedure to spread disinfo about aliens and UFOs when it happens.
Or it could be an alien escape pod. :)
Well, this is seemingly another well documented case of something very real happening, people witnessed it, and yet the government lied to the people about it.
For me, one of the things that really points toward this being some sort of extraterrestrial event, is the reported strange markings around the circumference of the "object". And what possibly could hit this earth, and have such markings?? Obviously any ET space craft could bear such markings, but think about why markings like that might be applied to the exterior of the object.
My guess would be that such markings might be for a very specific purpose - that being possibly for a "first contact" presentation to the expected finders. I know that might sound a little wild, but what if...............?? I do believe that whatever it was/is, it was way more than our government was/is willing to openly tell to us!!
I believe that the markings alone tell us that it definitely is not terrestrial!!
(http://www.echoesofenoch.com/clipart_scifi_spaceships_005.gif)
#2000 - wow :)
Quote from: rdunk on September 04, 2014, 02:27:31 AM
I believe that the markings alone tell us that it definitely is not terrestrial!!
Are there any photographs of the markings? I'd like to see them.
well for the obvious reason - that it happened close by - I have read just about anything I could on it..
Stan's links are probably the best.. he's still at it
here's some more fun stuff
http://old.post-gazette.com/magazine/19980908ufo1.asp
The Kecksburg Files
UFO researcher's video explores several theories about 1965 crash in Westmoreland County
Wednesday, September 09, 1998
By David Templeton, Post-Gazette Staff Writer
Since the uncertain events of Dec. 9, 1965, debate has raged, friendships have soured, rumors have waxed, theories have arisen and Internet stories have proliferated over what crash-landed that day in the rural village of Kecksburg, Westmoreland County.
"It's been almost 33 years and we still don't have an answer," says Stan Gordon, who has studied the Kecksburg crash since the day it happened. He's sitting in his "command center" in his Greensburg home. (Matt Freed, Post-Gazette)
The military insisted it was a meteorite that was never recovered.
UFO skeptics have held that, if not an outright hoax, it was surely something as explainable as the Soviet Venus probe, Kosmos 96, or an experimental American spacecraft that went flip-flop into Kecksburg's midsection only to be recovered by a quick and secretive military.
But UFO researchers, who say the Kecksburg incident is second only to the one at Roswell, N.M., in terms of drama and potential, have suggested with as much imagination as fact that it was alien visitors who chose Kecksburg as their Sea of Tranquility.
All of which has transformed the event that happened 33 years ago into one of America's most intriguing UFO mysteries.
Sketch by Charles Hanna represents an object that landed in Kecksburg on Dec. 9, 1965, thought by some to be a UFO. (Matt Freed, Post-Gazette)
The Kecksburg incident has served as fodder for episodes of "Unsolved Mysteries" and "Sightings" television broadcasts. The mock-up spacecraft built for the "Unsolved Mysteries" broadcast now sits atop the Kecksburg fire hall as the only lasting sign of the village's controversial claim to fame.
Now, Greensburg UFO researcher Stan Gordon, who has studied the Kecksburg crash since the day it happened, has produced a 92-minute documentary titled, "Kecksburg: The Untold Story," that provides eyewitness accounts and claims that surely will bolster debate.
As the cover says, "New Mexico has Roswell, but in Pennsylvania, it was Kecksburg,"
The most persistent Kecksburg researcher, Gordon has long kept an open mind as to what may have landed, but always has been intrigued by possibilities of an extraterrestrial visit. He now adds to the literature, legend and litany with his video that provides not only overwhelming evidence that something acorn-shaped landed in Kecksburg's lap that day, but also new accounts that what landed was extraterrestrial.
Written and narrated by Gordon, 48, the video provides numerous eyewitness testimonials from people who saw the fireball cruise at rather low speeds and altitudes across the southwestern Pennsylvania sky, maneuver, complete some turns and finally put down in Kecksburg's woods, about 7 miles southeast of Greensburg.
Others who went rummaging through the woods that early evening say they saw an acorn-shaped spacecraft half buried in a gully. Many others, including news reporters, saw Kecksburg crawling with military personnel from the Air Force, Army and NASA that evening, while others saw a Volkswagen Beetle-sized craft removed under a tarpaulin on the back of a military flatbed truck. Still others say they saw it being hauled to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio.
Swirling with eerie music, subplots, mysteries and theories, the video builds to a well-orchestrated climax of two men claiming evidence that it was an extraterrestrial spacecraft. One even claims to have seen what appeared to be a deceased, lizard-skinned creature partially covered by a sheet inside a Wright-Patterson Air Force Base hangar.
Gordon comes to no conclusions, except that something definitely landed in Kecksburg at 4:45 p.m. on that day. While entertaining the possibility that the craft was American or Soviet, Gordon provides reasons why those explanations are lacking. He leaves the viewer with the definite sense that his research points squarely at something more profound.
"It's an intriguing story," he said in a recent interview. "It's been almost 33 years and we still don't have an answer. A lot of key witnesses have passed away, are up in age, or not in the best of health. This was the best way to have them tell their story themselves about what they experienced."
His video provides detailed history of the Kecksburg incident along with a long string of witnesses who provide theories, surprises and intrigue, yet leave the viewer yearning for some conclusion. With that in mind, Gordon asks viewers to petition members of Congress to schedule hearings to collect testimony and help solve the lingering mystery.
For years, debate has been escalating.
A 1991 article in The Pittsburgh Press described generally what happened, based on various witnesses accounts that are included in greater detail in Gordon's video.
Dec. 9, 1965, was a dreary day in Westmoreland County - that is, until what was described as a roundish fireball appeared. It reportedly seared the gray sky at low altitude with a jet trail, then made S-turns and what appeared to be a controlled landing through the treetops into Kecksburg's woods.
The fireball was seen across the northeastern United States and was the subject of numerous newscasts that day.
Local residents headed toward the landing site. James Romansky and others trailed the object into the woods by observing the arc-wielding flames and bluish sparklers evident through the trees after the landing.
The object was 12 feet long and 6 to 7 feet in diameter, and shaped like an acorn. It had a ring around the base, just like an acorn, that bore what Romansky described as backward letters, like a backward J or K. Some have described the lettering as resembling Egyptian hieroglyphics - lines, stars, circles and shapes. The craft had no doors or windows. The metal was seamless, with a dent, but bearing no rivets or welds.
The local men soon were chased away by U.S. military officials who announced that the landing site was off-limits to all civilians.
As the writer of the 1991 article, this reporter explored whether the spacecraft could have been the Soviet Venus probe known as Kosmos 96. The U.S. Space Command reported that Kosmos 96 crash-landed in Canada shortly after 3 a.m. - more than 12 hours before the Kecksburg crash at 4:45 p.m.
To this day, Kosmos 96 cannot be discounted as a possibility.
Kosmos 96 was shaped like an acorn and may have had the ability to maneuver to land on Venus. As a Venus probe, it also was equipped with state-of-the-art heat shield technology that could have allowed the craft to survive the long, heated ride through Earth's atmosphere before landing in Kecksburg.
But there are discrepancies. Eyewitnesses, including Romansky, insist the writing on the girth was not Russian. Others claim that while the right shape, it was not the right size, and did not bear the seams and rivets that characterized Soviet and U.S. spacecraft of that era.
In 1991, I obtained the ordinants from the Goddard Space Center for the flight of Kosmos 96. I had James Oberg, an expert on Soviet spacecraft who also is a UFO skeptic, review the ordinants to see if it could have been Kosmos 96. Oberg concluded that, based on the ordinants provided by the Goddard Space Center, it could not be Kosmos 96 - a point that, to Oberg's dismay, buoyed UFO advocates and has continued to be a hot topic on the Internet.
But Oberg amended his theories in an article published in September 1993 on the OMNI service on America On Line. There, he suggested that the Kosmos 96 theory could account for U.S. Space Command's conclusions that it landed in Canada and also in Kecksburg.
Oberg says the failed Soviet probe "whose booster had blown up in parking orbit, would have been a wonderful UFO."
Oberg acknowledges that the ordinants, which have been reviewed by a leading amateur satellite watcher who didn't want his name revealed, seemed to confirm the official Air Force account that Kosmos 96 crashed in Canada more than 12 hours earlier than the Kecksburg crash. But Oberg checked the data further. The released tracking data, he said, couldn't be positively identified with specific pieces of the failed probe.
"It could have been jettisoned rocket stage of a large piece of space junk," he wrote. "The probe itself could have headed off toward Kecksburg."
Oberg proceeds to explain why the U.S. military would lie, or at least decide not to divulge everything it knew about the Kecksburg crash.
"In the 1960s, U.S. military intelligence agencies interested in enemy technology were eagerly collecting all the Soviet missile and space debris they could find. International law required that debris be returned to the country of origin. But hardware from Kosmos 96, with its special missile-warhead shielding, would have been too valuable to give back."
After all, he concluded, what better camouflage than to let people think the fallen object was not a Soviet probe, but a flying saucer?
"The Russians would never suspect, and the Air Force laboratories could examine the specimen at leisure. And if suspicion lingered, UFO buffs would be counted on to maintain the phony cover story, protecting the real truth."
For that reason, Oberg concluded, the Kecksburg scenario produced "delicious irony."
"A famous UFO case may actually involve a real U.S. government cover-up, but UFO buffs are on the wrong side. Instead of exposing the truth, they may be unwitting pawns in deception."
The other unexplored avenue to solve the Kecksburg mystery was to approach Soviet, now Russian, authorities to provide information on what truly happened to Kosmos 96. But in 1991, the Soviet Embassy would only speculate that anything that crash-landed in American turf was probably American technology that the U.S. was too embarrassed to acknowledge.
That's similar to the response that Gordon got from the Russian government when he posed the same question.
In May, during an interview of a Russian Cosmonaut Viktor P. Savinykh, who now serves as rector of Moscow State University of Geodesy and Cartography, I took the opportunity through an interpreter to ask him whether he could help solve the Kecksburg mystery. He, too, suggested rather emphatically, and with some laughter, that whatever plunged into Kecksburg surely was some faulty American technology.
But extraterrestrial claims cannot be entertained until the Kosmos 96 theory is put to rest.
In 1962, the United States and Soviet Union forged a gentleman's agreement that any spacecraft that landed within the other's borders would be returned. However, the United States had fast-acting military units that traveled the globe at moment's notice to recover American and Soviet space hardware wherever it fell.
The Kecksburg crash occurred in the middle of the Cold War and the space race, and America was especially interested in heat-shield technology. So, if Kosmos 96 had landed in Kecksburg, there's no doubt that the U.S. military would have been interested in finding it.
Gordon's video provides plenty of evidence that the military would not have responded so quickly, and declared what could only be described as martial law in Kecksburg, if it was responding only to a meteorite.
Whether you adhere to theories of a hoax, Kosmos 96 or extraterrestrial spacecraft, Gordon's video provides a thorough account of the crash-landing, and the many explanations of what happened.
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http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/earthly.htm
A replica of the Venera 7 landing capsule. Kosmos 96 is rumored to have had a similar capsule. (courtesy of nationmaster.com)
An earthly source?
©Tim Printy July 2006
In 1993, skeptic James Oberg suggested that what happened at Kecksburg was not a UFO crash and was not a meteor. Instead, Oberg reported that it could have been the capsule from Kosmos-96, a Venus space probe, which had failed shortly after launch. It was shaped something like an acorn, which fit the shape reported by Bulebush and Romansky. In his 1993 article for Omni magazine, Oberg notes that the orbital data did not support it but he also noted that data could have been for the booster rocket and not the capsule:
The released tracking data couldn't be positively identified with specific pieces of the failed probe. It could have been the jettisoned rocket stage or a large piece of space junk. The probe itself could have been headed off toward Kecksburg. (Oberg UFO)
This meant that the capsule may have come to earth at a later time. According to the USAF, Kosmos-96 had crashed to earth twelve hours earlier but Oberg suggests that it could have been a ruse by the United States so the Soviets did not know we had recovered some of their spacecraft. The data could have been faulty or the it could have been altered as a form of cover-up. The reasons were obvious according to Oberg:
In the 1960s, U.S military intelligence agencies interested in enemy technology were eagerly collecting all the Soviet missile and space debris they could find. International law required that debris be returned to the country of origin. But hardware from Kosmos-96, with its special missile-warhead shielding, would have been too valuable to give back. (Oberg UFO)
Needless to say, Oberg's suggestion was dismissed because the USAF data pointed towards a return to earth twelve hours before. Some of those people who want to accept this data also reject the information that the USAF recovered nothing that evening at Kecksburg. This is a good example of saucer logic:
The USAF/NASA lie about UFO reports and recoveries
The USAF/NASA do not lie about their orbital data when it eliminates a conventional explanation.
Since conspiracies expect the government to lie, why do they suddenly feel that the government is telling the truth in this case? This was the argument put forth by Oberg and he put forth a logical reason for this being done. This Kosmos-96 connection stayed pretty much in limbo until the late 1990's when more data was released regarding the orbital elements.
In December of 1998, James Easton released his Pulsar Newsletter No. 2. In it he described his research into the Kosmos-96 connection. Most importantly, James reported the following exchange between himself and Dr. David Williams of the National Space science data center:
I wrote to Dr. David Williams, the mission's contact at the National Space Science Data Center and asked if he might be able to shed any further light on a possible connection with the Kecksburg events. Dr. Willliams was most helpful and replied, "Unfortunately we don't have much information on the Cosmos 96 mission here at the data center, but I have at least something I can add to our record... According to the 'Handbook of Soviet Lunar and Planetary Exploration' by N.L. Johnson, the Cosmos 96 may have exploded during an orbital restart into 8 large pieces which entered the atmosphere around December 9. There is apparently information on this in Science News of 22 July 1967 and 'Soviet Space Exploration, the first decade' by W. Shelton (1968, p. 231)"..."I still haven't found much on Cosmos 96, even after contacting the U.S. Space Command, but I've put a mention of the Kecksburg incident in the record at: http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/database/www-nmc?65-094A (note: this is now found at http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/database/MasterCatalog?sc=1965-094A)'This mission was intended as a Venus lander, presumably similar in design to the Venera 3 which had launched a week earlier. The spacecraft attained Earth orbit and the main rocket body (65-094B) separated from the orbiting launch platform. It is believed an explosion (perhaps during ignition for insertion of the spacecraft into a Venus transfer orbit) damaged the platform, resulting in at least six additional fragments (designated 65-094C - H). The damaged spacecraft remained in orbit for 16 days and reentered the Earth's atmosphere on 9 December 1965. There is some speculation that the reentry of the Cosmos 96/Venera-type spacecraft was responsible for a fireball which was seen over southwestern Ontario, Canada and nine states from Michigan to New York and purported to have subsequently landed in Pennsylvania southeast of Pittsburgh near the town of Kecksburg (40.2 N, 79.5 W) on 9 December 1965 at 4:46 p.m. EST local time (21:46 UT). Uncertainties in the orbital information and reentry coordinates and time make it difficult to determine if this could have been the Cosmos 96 spacecraft". (Easton)
Easton also exchanged information with James Oberg. At the time, Oberg continued to point out that part of Kosmos-96 could have been responsible for the Kecksburg controversy:
The Soyuz-1 impact was at about 300-400 mph but the most damage was the explosion of the soft-landing engine post-impact. A Kosmos-96 type vehicle would have impacted somewhat slower because it would have been smaller. But orbital elements released by NORAD showed that at the time of the reported impact, K-96 was not passing anywhere near Kecksburg. The only way to reconcile the tracking data is to:
1. Either assume the tracking data was generated as camouflage for the true flight path which crossed PA at the right time, or
2. Assume there were other fragments in higher orbits (quite plausible considering how the vehicle originally exploded weeks earlier) that underwent different orbital evolution before decaying at the "matching" time of day and location. (Easton)
This argument began to fail simply because there was no evidence that an actual recovery had occurred and nothing could be found to suggest that the capsule had come down in Pennsylvania.
By 2003, it became apparent to Oberg that the Kosmos-96 connection was unlikely but had not been completely eliminated. Oberg still maintains that Kosmos-96 could still have something to do with the events in question but he now felt the meteor explanation was most likely:
I will not _mislead_ anyone by arguing that _I_ happen to want people to believe that the Kosmos-96 prosaic explanation is credible and consistent with all trustworthy evidence. The least unlikely explanation in my view is that the natural fireball meteor - and it was so well observed and recorded that it looks exactly like thousands of other natural bolides and it's pre-impact trajectory could be computed and found to be 'natural-meteoroid-like' - led to somebody's suspicion that it was connected with the imminent entry of a very high-priority space object (Kosmos-96) so when the meteor was seen and reported, some low-level DoD pawns drove over to nose around. (Oberg Re: Kecksburg)
This could have been the reason that Bluebook had sent the AF personnel from Oakdale to look into the case in the first place. How many times during bluebook did the USAF immediately send personnel chasing a crashed spaceship report? Not often as far as I can tell. If the USAF had thought that a piece of Soviet hardware had fallen into the US, it would need to be identified and recovered rapidly. However, it seems unlikely that a piece of Kosmos-96 actually made it to that remote Pennsylvania area and the records show that nothing at all was found.
With the Kosmos-96 spacecraft becoming an ever increasing unlikely source of the stories being told, one now questions if anything really crashed that evening and the new Kecksburg legend is simply wild tales being told by publicity seekers. In 2003, the Sci-Fi channel stepped in and "tried" to set the record straight.
Works Cited
Easton, James. "The "Kecksburg" Incident:Update on Recent Developments. " Pulsar Newsletter No.2. Available WWW:http://www.parascope.com/nb/articles/pulsar02.htm
Oberg, James. "UFO update - alleged crash of a UFO in western Pennsylvania on Dec 9, 1965". Omni Magazine. September 1993. Available WWW: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1430/is_n11_v15/ai_14086519
-."Re: Kecksburg on Sci-Fi channel" 25 October 2003.UFO Updates Mailing list. On line posting. Available WWW: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/2003/oct/m26-001.shtml
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oh yeah ..edit to add
kecksburg has a ufo festival every year in july..one of these years I will go just for the heck of it..
here ya go.. it's newly on line but a very young Stan
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Quoteah norval you must have heard the one about the Nazi bell ;)
these stories seem to run on some type of repeat cycle
Yes I have, and yes they do Otter;
Research has shown me that there seems to have been a pattern of small craft crashes all around our planet.
Old stories in print from the 1000 ad up till about 1700 ad were actual air battles.
Then many crashes of small craft (escape pods?) during the 1800s and early 1900s.
Since about the 1950s these crashes have tapered off to all most none now days.
I try to keep the "Big Picture" or the overall picture in view when doing this kind of research so as not to get side tracked into infinite possibilities of why. :)
Quote from: Pimander on September 04, 2014, 02:34:39 AM
Are there any photographs of the markings? I'd like to see them.
Pi, I do not know whether there are any actual pics or not - I suspect maybe not simply because in the accounts presented, I've not heard camera/pictures mentioned. However, still living eye witnesses do refer to "ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics" type markings" (@ 9:31min of the OP video).
So, if we can assume the eyewitness account is accurate, then that likely limits the possibilities for it being a terrestrial object, IMO!
I wasn't sure if I wanted to put this here or not and then figured..what the hell ::)
this story is 'local' and Stan is 'local' and does speaking engagements so I have heard the whole thing more than once.
and after listening to it I always start playing the what if game and for that you need to start with what I like to call assumed truth.
.yep..gotta start somewhere :)
totally ignoring trying to figure the gov angle, which to me is a waste of time
I head down a different path
my assumed truth:
> the acorn was piloted and made a controlled landing as opposed to a crash landing
> the pilot was approx 4 feet tall with three fingers and it skin was brown/green lizard like
? reptile or amphibian ?
> the russian capsule and the acorn wrecked and one fell in canada and one in kecksburg
now when I first started playing my what if game I didn't have access to computer info and even if I did I don't have the math skills to figure to trajectory of this.
.maybe one of you guys can play along and figure it out
questions arising from the assumed truth
> was the acorn coming from earth.
say out of a body of water.(amphibian ?).. lake ontario or the atlantic ocean
....... (devils triangle /atlantis goes to yet another path)
where did it collide with the russian capsule?....where was it heading
> was the acorn coming into the earth's area from a portal?...again where did they collide?
> maybe it (the acorn) was just advanced air traffic and the pilot was on a learners permit
so then you can jump to other conjectures
thoughts of the nazi's having out side help.. with their space development
their human experiments..and the nazi bell of a similar shape as the acorn
so is there a connection here to the pilot of the acorn?
how about some of the dulce stories (lizard)..again any connections here?
and on you go to trying to figure if the pilot was one of us
or if
we are one of them...is evolutionary or other combinations
join in any time..
Well sky, that is a lot of other points of consideration!
In thinking about some of what you say, I have had another thought of why I believe the Kecksburg UFO to be extraterrestrial, which is.......................with it burning as it streaked through sky, and with its crashing into the earth..................with all of the eyewitness accounts of the OP video, no one has mentioned any evidence or signs of burning or crash damage on the UFO. That would be almost inconceivable if it were anything of terrestrial origin.
Another thought...........we do know at least part of the Kecksburg story is real! The military does admit going out there, so their presence at the crash site is fact! Of course, they say, "We found nothing"!! But they were there! AND, cannot we know the local people were there too, because they say they were?? But, the stories of the military and the people are different ------ who should we believe?? With all we know today about the strong penchant for governments to lie, who should we believe??
Regardless of the fact that right now we cannot know the "rest of the story", I believe the military has directly lied to we the people "again" with this incident. And I tend to believe that the people who were living in Kecksburg at the time this happened, are telling us the facts as they saw them occur. These are just common people who tell us they went out there and saw what they saw, until forced by the military to move away from the area. They say they saw the military trucks haul away two different things, a large box container, and then the UFO, which was covered. Yet the military says, they found nothing!! :((
well rdunk
you took the path I wasn't heading down ;D
I was looking at what and where the acorn was coming from..
the gov stuff is a maze of lies on a good day so why bother..is my opinion
if you listen to Stan's production on reply #11 that was done in '98.. you will get a few more gov things going on.. the reporter silenced and then possibly killed and the copy to stan gone missing will go to the gov bs
but that isn't what I was interested in ;D
Quote from: sky otter on September 05, 2014, 04:56:55 PM
well rdunk
you took the path I wasn't heading down ;D
I was looking at what and where the acorn was coming from..
the gov stuff is a maze of lies on a good day so why bother..is my opinion
if you listen to Stan's production on reply #11 that was done in '98.. you will get a few more gov things going on.. the reporter silenced and then possibly killed and the copy to stan gone missing will go to the gov bs
but that isn't what I was interested in ;D
Well sky, I thought you were raising questions about where the "acorn" came from, and that was my direction of comment - more reasons for it being factual, and more reason for being extraterrestrial. :o
I thought you were raising questions about where the "acorn" came from, and that was my direction of comment
I was..and I was going more for where it came from literally ;D
like from under some body of water here on earth or from somewhere in the universe
et as in non-human
and I am more interested in the beginning of the story..than what happened after the crash
sorry to not be more clear
;D
edit to add..maybe the gov was upholding the treaty to return space stuff to it's owners or place of origin.. ;)