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Russian Scientist: World Facing 'Mini-Ice Age' Rather Than Global Warming
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140919/193093969/Russian-Scientist-World-Facing-Mini-Ice-Age-Rather-Than-Global.html

"ST. PETERSBURG, September 19 (RIA Novosti) - The world will soon witness a "mini-ice age" rather than global warming, as solar output has been declining in recent years, a Russian scientist told RIA Novosti Friday.
"During the past 17 years global temperatures have not been rising, temperatures have stabilized. There has been no warming since 1997. The power of solar irradiance has decreased consistently since 1990 and is still rapidly declining. Since 1990, the Sun has not been warming the Earth as in the past," said Habibullo Abdussamatov, an astrophysicist and head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory.
According to Abdussamatov, our planet may enter what he calls "a mini-ice age" at the beginning of next year."

Habibullo Abdussamatov
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khabibullo_Abdusamatov

I'd like to come in from the cold now.

Sir:

Hope you have a LARGE supply of firewood for this coming winter in America.

Or a Plan B for the usual gas/fuel oil shortage or intentional disruption so as to force the population into 'warming camps.'

Right after Martial Law is declared and they come for the guns.    ;D

Please bring us more, as your stuff is always on the mark.

Signed,

Another rabid fan, following you across the wastelands of SkyNet

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/avatar_909_1386219133.png)

"Welcome Frank.
There are 6 days remaining."
- old Jewish proverb

"But don't call asking what the object of the game is. Figuring that out is the object of the game."
- Daniel Schorr, "The Game", starring Michael Doulglas

hey Thor..is that you ..?     ?

you pulling a hutch on us and going trans..?

Rush Limbaugh been saying for years that global temps are dropping, not increasing; makes you wonder why they did the seed survival vault, eh?

I have also been advocating for years to have supplies for your family members and loved ones to hand along with an up to date "zombie" plan"...

we don't normally get snow here in the part of ga I live in, few and far between yet last year we got blasted twice, once in January and 2 weeks later in Feb;

better to be prepped than found wanting and in need of...


seeker

Yep, that does look familiar, brother Thor  8)

I myself am in squirrel mode, storing for cold weather in case we do have that encounter again...

the problem is most peeps around here don't have a clue as to what preps would be prudent or even where to start...

or how to cook or have fresh drinking water if the power goes out  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cQNkIrg-Tk

seeker

Quote from: noradwopr on September 19, 2014, 05:51:37 PM
Sir:

Hope you have a LARGE supply of firewood for this coming winter in America.

Or a Plan B for the usual gas/fuel oil shortage or intentional disruption so as to force the population into 'warming camps.'

Right after Martial Law is declared and they come for the guns.    ;D

Please bring us more, as your stuff is always on the mark.

Signed,

Another rabid fan, following you across the wastelands of SkyNet

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/avatar_909_1386219133.png)

You have me at a disadvantage, sir.
But I'll do my best to keep up.

PS
- I want answers. But I don't even know the right questions to ask. Sadly.

An ice-age would be a welcome relief from the hellish heat wave I had to endure where I live.

Quote from: the seeker on September 19, 2014, 06:01:24 PM
Rush Limbaugh been saying for years that global temps are dropping, not increasing; makes you wonder why they did the seed survival vault, eh?

Zorgon has been saying for years that global warming will TRIGGER the next ice age...

Zorgon has posted several times the results of the Vostok Ice Core readings

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47brotherthebig/04images/Antarctica/415k-year-temp-graph.jpg)

Watch the move "The Day After Tomorrow"

Yes they exaggerate but the MECHANISM they show is 100% accurate

Global warming, a NATURAL cycle (see graph above)  causes ice melt. This in turn changes the salininity of sea water and that changes ocean current.  That in turn triggers super cell storms that bring down the cold for the next ice age

LOOK at the graph  The change is QUICK  over a 20-50 year sudden change. And the Earth has more cold periods than it does warm spells

That is why I moved to Vegas  well BELOW the last mega ice age maximum reach.  Yes we have food stock, blankets and lots of firewood... but a drop in temp down here would be welcome as we are still seeing 100F during the day

Quote from: onetruekeeper on September 21, 2014, 01:02:34 AM
An ice-age would be a welcome relief from the hellish heat wave I had to endure where I live.

ever seen the movie "the day after tomorrow" or read the coming global superstorm?

ETA: seems we posted at the same time with the same thought, Z...

Quote from: this_is_who_we_are on September 20, 2014, 04:04:45 PM
- I want answers. But I don't even know the right questions to ask. Sadly.

Well question #1  Is Global warming real?

Answer: Yes it is but its NOT man made. Our puny efforts at climate control are not enough to affect what is happening in the solar system let alone on earth. And no cow farts are not responsible either. One volcano like Krakatoa puts out as much greenhouse gas as all of Washington   errrr mankind  :P for the past 1000 years

People forget the oxygen cycle  More CO2 means more trees grow (and more algae in particular) and they produce oxygen scrubbing the air

People forget that the Ozone Cycle is part of this system and that the holes at the poles are NATURAL because there is no direct sunlight at the poles to create ozone

People forget that sea ice would NOT raise the water level when it melts. (land ice might a little) because ice is BIGGER as a solid than water  Try it at home with ice cubes in a bowl

I would strongly recommend you all watch that Movie "The Day After Tomorrow"

The scientists tries to warn them about the change in the ocean current. They cover the weird weather... and they show exactly HOW a super cell storm is created and causes the ice age in literally a few hours

Anyone that has ever felt the icy cold down draft of a super cell thunderstorm where temps drop in minutes and create hail the size of oranges will know what I mean

Don't forget that they found Mammoth's frozen in the ice still chewing their last meal. THAT is a key point

Watch the movie  you will get a better idea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFLncfCvPeY

Quote from: thorfourwinds on September 19, 2014, 06:32:43 PM
We seem to remember something like that... ;)

I used to love snow  Skiing most every weekend, Ice Sailing on Lake Ontario

Then I got old   :P

Odd thing happened in the 70's  It got WARM  Toronto Harbour used to freeze solid  so solid you could drive an oil tanker over it... then suddenly it got warm  and has never frozen since

You can still see it in the old photos and post cards

(http://torontoist.com/attachments/toronto_kevinp/2010_01_02WinterHarbour_it19456b.jpg)

Quotehttp://www.blogto.com/upload/2012/01/201214-ice-boats-harbour-1920-f1244_it0448d.jpg

As a kid I remember crossing to the Island via ice breaker ferry. The snow was heavy and they had ice melting machines   Then suddenly one Jan it warmed up and has not frozen over since


So I take it you still have your land Thor? Have not had an update since the Carp Slinging started
::)


(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/Amy_Cabin_Snow2014.jpg)

All you have to do is watch the wasp.

Learned this from my country grandma.

If wasp build their nest high in the spring, you'll have a moderate winter.

If they build them low in the spring, you'll have a very cold winter.

Works every time.

This year they've been very low to the ground.

Hence cold winter.

Man ain't got nothing to do with it. And that movie was all about how man failed to act, hence ice age. Baloney!

sarge, throw out the hollyweed tripe about failure to act; mankind cannot do anything about it other than accept that it has happened in the past, and history repeats itself in a cyclic manner that mother nature calls the shots on...

and as Z has stated repeatedly, the records show we are over due...

"All this has happened before. All of it will happen again."
- Pythia

Quote from: this_is_who_we_are on September 21, 2014, 05:04:45 AM
"All this has happened before. All of it will happen again."
- Pythia

In modern terms we call that a

NATURAL CYCLE

::)

I haven't decided if this is too little too late or what..humans.! !





Thousands march in NYC, around globe over climate


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People fill 58th Street between 8th and 9th Avenue in New York before a climate change protest march Sunday, Sept. 21, 2014.

AP  1 hr ago | By VERENA DOBNIK and MICHAEL SISAK   of Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) — Accompanied by drumbeats, wearing costumes and carrying signs, thousands of demonstrators filled the streets of Manhattan and other cities around the world on Sunday to urge policy makers to take action on climate change.


The crowds of marchers, which included actors Mark Ruffalo and Evangeline Lilly, wound through midtown Manhattan, joined along the way by United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki Moon, former Vice President Al Gore and New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio.

The march was one of a series of events large and small held around the world —?? organizers said 40,000 marchers took part in an event in London, while a small gathering in Cairo featured 50-foot art piece representing wind and solar energy —?? two days before the United Nations Climate Summit. More than 120 world leaders will convene Tuesday for the meeting aimed at galvanizing political will for a new global climatetreaty by the end of 2015.

The New York march drew people from all over the country. A contingent from Moore, Oklahoma —?? where a massive tornado killed 24 last year — took part, as did hundreds of New Yorkers affected by Superstorm Sandy, which the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the British meteorological office said was made more likely by climate change.

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People gather near Columbus Circle before the People's Climate March in New York Sunday, Sept. 21, 2014.

Myrtle E. Williams, a nurse at a nursing home in the Rockaways, said Sandy was a "real eye opener." The storm nearly two years ago "made people wake up and say this is real devastating," she says.

Williams said Sandy brought home the devastation people usually see on television from far away, like the Asian tsunamis and the hurricanes that hit southern states.

"I think people are becoming more aware when it happens to them," she said. "When it comes to your door, you can equate with other people who are going through something just as devastating."

Now the question she asks: "Can we make a change so that this will never happen again?"

In London, celebrities including actress Emma Thompson and musician Peter Gabriel joined tens of thousands of people in the march through the capital's center.

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British actress Emma Thompson, centre and John Sauven from Greenpeace join an estimated 40,000 thousand people marching from the Embankment via Whitehall to the Houses of Parliament in London, Sunday, Sept. 21, 2014 as part of the People's Climate March, a worldwide mobilisation calling on world leaders to commit to urgent action on climate change and 100% clean energy.

Campaigners marched through the streets chanting "What do we want? Clean energy. When do we want it? Now."

Speaking at the start of the march, Thompson said: "This is important for every single person on the planet, which is why it has to be the greatest grass roots movement of all time.

"This is the battle of our lives. We're fighting for our children," she said.

In Australia, thousands of people marched in cities across the country on Sunday as part of a global day of action on climate change. The largest rally was in Melbourne, where an estimated 10,000 people took to the streets with banners and placards calling on the Australian government to do more to combat global warming.

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott was a particular target of the protesters. Abbott's center-right coalition has removed a carbon tax and has restricted funding for climate change bodies since coming to power last year.

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Associated Press writer Sylvia Hui in London contributed to this report


http://news.msn.com/us/thousands-march-in-nyc-around-globe-over-climate

Sky, I really wonder if anything we hu-mons can or cannot do would make any difference to mother nature; the activists holler about pollution, but Mt. Pinatubo blew several years back and pumped more into the atmosphere in 3 days than hu-mons did in several thousand years...

they going to put a catalytic converter on a volcano?

it is what it is; perhaps they will draw some positive attention towards some change...

but will it make a difference?

seeker

Seeker
I agree with  you guys on  it isn't us and we aren't going to change it now..even if we could..
like Rock said..watch nature for what is happening..the birds and bees  and the bugs know

little note here..
we have had bees for a longggg time maybe 30 or so years.. lost them for a time but in may of 2013 captured a swarm ..very nice docile productive bees...within 4 months  they had brood and a super filled.. hubby added room
well this year we got about 25 pounds of honey and hubby added some more room
when he removed the one super to take the honey the bees were nasty....not like before
he had opened the hive previously with no protection and  didn't get stung
this time they were all over him
it was a very productive hive but something had changed
now
here's the WTF moment
a huge swarm of bees left the hive last week on a warm day..it looked like the entire hive the swarm was huge
they flew about 150 feet to a big limb and are still there..thur 40 degree cool nights and rain..
as they swarmed we watched and hubby started toward them as they were in the air.. they went after him and I can tell you for an old fart ..can he run...

we have never ever had this happen...I looked it up it is called abscond
http://www.honeybeesuite.com/why-do-honey-bees-abscond-in-the-fall/

he has talked to a few other bee keepers since and three others have had it happen or witnesses it happening....different size groups of bees in each case....none of these guys had ever heard of it either

now read the link and it says
Absconding is another of those honey bee behaviors that isn't completely understood, but we can draw some conclusions based on repeated observations. Usually at least one of the following conditions exists in a hive before a colony absconds in the fall:
•There is a severe nectar dearth resulting in a shortage of stored food
•The hive has been heavily invaded by predators such as ants, yellow jackets, wax moths, or small hive beetles
•There has been excessive disturbance from interlopers such as skunks or beekeepers
•The hive is extremely hot due to the weather or severe overcrowding

In general, the environmental conditions in the hive became too stressful for the bees. Somehow they sensed they had little chance of surviving in the present circumstances and decided to leave.


none of the above fits unless you take into account that a month or so ago we got the honey..
I don't know about the other beekeeper guys

so just what are the bees telling us when so many just go out and commit a mass suicide?  ?  ?
they weren't overcrowded and the weather hasn't been extreme and no  critters have bothered where they are

this is scary... I'm going to go put some more food up..still have some canning to do




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The affects of the seasons are more localised than most realise. Even a few 100 Km/miles even makes
a difference, in Oceanic located Countries like NZ.

Droughts are very localised and occur in different areas of NZ from year to year.

Perhaps such changes are more wide spread in Continental countries ?

Where I live now in NZ, has been warmer this last winter.

We're now into 'Spring' and never had to use heating this year, while other areas in NZ have been colder.   :)

A few years back, we had huge losses in bees (Due to an imported disease) and was a huge concern to our Agriculture export markets.

Now we are seeing a rapid recovery in bee populations around the country ....

Sky, could have been from robbing the honey; you didn't take all of it, did you? sounds like they decided they aren't going to make it...

winter is preying on my mind this year, squirrel nests are very high, wasps are low to the ground, wooly worms look like werewolves...

with you on the thinking of winter, seeker

nut trees are so heavy  the limbs are very low
as far as taking to much honey they had a broad and a super and a half  besides what we removed and hubby put the supper with the comb back so they should have been good

what doesn't make any sense is that they left a place with supplies to a tree branch with nothing almost next door....if they would have kept on going  I might have felt better
if for no better reason than I could think they found a good tree to live in...this way at about 25+ feet in the air , clustered on top of each other..probably trying like hell to make comb
we can only count the dead as they drop

sad and disturbing
:(

Quote from: the seeker on September 21, 2014, 09:37:09 PM
Sky, I really wonder if anything we hu-mons can or cannot do would make any difference to mother nature; the activists holler about pollution, but Mt. Pinatubo blew several years back and pumped more into the atmosphere in 3 days than hu-mons did in several thousand years..

The problem is Activists rarely have the real facts to deal with. So they protest the WRONG things for the WRONG reasons... and thus get ZERO results

Stop poluution? Great idea... the less crap in our environment the better for our health, but global climate changes? Not so easy

First you have to know who to blame  and in this case Ma Nature is the main culprit. Yet slimy politicians use any old cause to confuddle the voters... like THIS photo of a Polar Bear on ice that was used to push the agenda that global warming is melting the ice caps so the poor bears will die.

Never mind the truth that the bears can easily swim a hundred miles with no effort

(http://biodilloversity.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/polar-bear-clinging-onto-cracking-ice.jpeg)

Quotethey going to put a catalytic converter on a volcano?

Can we patent that idea?

::)

Quotebut will it make a difference?

Geo engineering is an HONEST attempt by scientists to try to change the climate. NASA's idea to use asteroid dust would work but is a stupid idea because it would be impossible to remove it when the cycle reverses (as it will) and we would become a permanent Ice World

THIS idea however is both simple and WOULD work. Just position it at the right distance from earth ( like holding a dime over the moon)  and voila  you can block as much or as little sun as you want

(http://files.idnworld.com/creators/files/15/PandaPanther/defenseShield_02.jpg)

If you want more close the umbrella. If it fails you can blast it with a missile

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on September 21, 2014, 09:56:17 PM
The affects of the seasons are more localised than most realise. Even a few 100 Km/miles even makes
a difference, in Oceanic located Countries like NZ.

The main driving force of weather are the jet streams. Watch the maps on TV of the jet stream fluctuations. When the trough of a wave dips to the equator everything in that trough will get unusual cold spells while the crest of the trough will have record highs. 

Mostly the jet streams are stable but last few years they have been 'wavy'

(http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a010000/a010900/a010902/STILL1_1024x576.jpg)

You can see in the above image where the abnormal warm spells and cold spells will sit. As long as the stream is in that position it will stay the same. The one below is the more "normal" stream for the US and the reason the southwest is hot and dry and the north east cold and wet

(http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/guides/mtr/cyc/upa/gifs/jet1.gif)

QuoteDroughts are very localised and occur in different areas of NZ from year to year.

We had heavy drizzle yesterday... half my yard is soaking wet... the other half is bone dry. Seems my house was exactly on the cold from line (happens a lot where we sit in the middle of the valley) Makes for interesting clouds that swirl, form from nothing or dissipate in seconds

QuoteWhere I live now in NZ, has been warmer this last winter.

Because your jet stream is in a trough (opposite from ours as your on the bottom  :P

(http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/sailcharts/gfs/2014/09/21/jeps_ozea_00-2014092100.gif)

You can watch it here
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/marine/weather?LEVEL=3&MENU=0&MODELLTYP=jeps&MN=gfs&KUST=c0351

I understand that the scientific community is making an effort to find some sort of solution; but Ma Nature is fickle and me thinks cares not about the pests[us] crawling around on her skin...

from my perspective, hu-mons need to wake up and learn to think again; forget about all the toys and focus on living, or rather they are going to if Ma Nature throws us another major curve ball... and she will...

Quote from: sky otter on September 21, 2014, 09:50:21 PMr
when he removed the one super to take the honey the bees were nasty....not like before

Killer bees have been infiltrating regular bee colonies. They are agressive

Quoteso just what are the bees telling us when so many just go out and commit a mass suicide?  ?  ?

Is it suicide? or do they go elsewhere to make a new hive?

I think the climate will take care of overpopulation before wars do..imo


and as I age I wonder why I even want to stay....sigh
guess if I had a better handle on the options it would be easy... ;)

sorry Z..did see your question but they did not leave to make a new hive..they are in the tree just hangin..
and we have thought of the killer bee thing but I can't find where they are  as high as this lat..but I'm still looking


http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/nonnative-bee-invasion-in-us-l/16239881

Africanized bees are unable to survive in cold climates. Once the temperature begins to change, they migrate south or die off.

Researchers are now questioning whether humid air causes bees to be more defensive. Dr. Eric Mussen, extension apiculturist in the entomology department at the University of California-Davis, said that this question has not yet been answered.

this is already know..humid muggy weather in the spring is when they normally swarm

btw..when these flew.. it was a dry sunny day..very nice

Quote from: the seeker on September 21, 2014, 10:34:33 PM
I understand that the scientific community is making an effort to find some sort of solution; but Ma Nature is fickle and me thinks cares not about the pests[us] crawling around on her skin...

LOL  True enough  Man says: "We have not seen a tsunami higher that 25 feet, so lets build a wall 30 feet tall"

Ma Nature says: " Oh yeah?" and tosses a 40 foot tsunami obliterating that wall

::)

Quotefrom my perspective, hu-mons need to wake up and learn to think again; forget about all the toys and focus on living, or rather they are going to if Ma Nature throws us another major curve ball... and she will...

Move south  8)

We have a LOT of room in the four corner states here. Sure a lot is desert but there are vacant houses all over the states I have many here in my area.

If you look back in history, this region has been stable since the Dinosaurs roamed here. That is why we find the bones of dinos here. We also find mammoth skeletons. That is significant because that means when the ice moved south last time, the mammoth moved to Nevada to escape it

Remember the Sumatra Tsunami? The elephants broke free leaving their keepers scratching there heads. NO animals died (save one trapped rabbit) during that tsunami.  200 zoo keepers did.  The natives? They said "No fishing today boys, we are going to the shrine to worship" Shrine was a the top of a mountain. No natives died in that Tsunami.  Tourists say" "oh look tide gone out  Lets collect all the pretty seashells!"  200,000 tourists died.

Moral of the story? "Ice age a commin, follow the Mammoths south!"

When the seas last rose....

Can you find YOUR home?

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/jurassic_seaway_900.jpg)

The extent of the ice last time...

(http://home.onemain.com/~gplains/glaciers/gif/stagnant.gif)

Follow the Wooly Mammoth!

(http://cdn.phys.org/newman/gfx/news/hires/2014/willerslevcoverimage_c.jpg)

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on September 21, 2014, 10:00:11 PM
A few years back, we had huge losses in bees (Due to an imported disease) and was a huge concern to our Agriculture export markets.

Now we are seeing a rapid recovery in bee populations around the country ....

Great that it is better now, I read that at some point U.S. farmers were
importing Aussie bees for pollination.

Grow anything and one would realize the importance of bees.
Pollination is something we take for granted, I'll say. I had to resort to
using the paintbrush on my veggies this year, however it works to some
degree its not anywhere close to efficient as bees.

Quote from: zorgon on September 21, 2014, 10:54:35 PM
Can you find YOUR home?

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/jurassic_seaway_900.jpg)

Not on that map, but I can see it in this one, Portugal was in the forests area. :)

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/europeiceage.png)

Quote from: the seeker on September 21, 2014, 03:53:15 AM
ever seen the movie "the day after tomorrow" or read the coming global superstorm?

ETA: seems we posted at the same time with the same thought, Z...

I saw that movie too. But was kinda sad that only the northern hemisphere of the planet was affected. I wanted to see the WHOLE planet socked with ice...LOL.

Quote from: onetruekeeper on September 22, 2014, 12:33:04 AM
I saw that movie too. But was kinda sad that only the northern hemisphere of the planet was affected. I wanted to see the WHOLE planet socked with ice...LOL.

Americans and Europeans tend to forget that the South Pole is not a tropical paradice but that said the Northern Hemisphere did get more ice coverage

Glaciation of the Southern Hemisphere was less extensive because of current configuration of continents. Ice sheets existed in the Andes (Patagonian Ice Sheet), where six glacier advances between 31,500 and 11,900 BCE in the Chilean Andes have been reported. Antarctica was entirely glaciated, much like today, but the ice sheet left no uncovered area. In mainland Australia only a very small area in the vicinity of Mount Kosciuszko was glaciated, whereas in Tasmania glaciation was more widespread. An ice sheet formed in New Zealand, covering all of the Southern Alps, where at least three glacial advances can be distinguished. Local ice caps existed in Irian Jaya, Indonesia, where in three ice areas remnants of the Pleistocene glaciers are still preserved today

(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110209045714/althistory/images/1/13/Ice_Age_S._Hemisphere_(SE).png)

I would image that as things cool down we here in Vegas would see snow in winters and the Desert converted back to lush vegetation... I can deal with that  LOL

Yawl stay up north and build Igloos 

(http://images3.alphacoders.com/245/24545.jpg)

Seems Igloos have come a long way  LOL

Sorrisniva Igloo Hotel Alta Norway



(http://www.alaska-in-pictures.com/data/media/12/modern-igloo_4278.jpg)

(http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/9d/6a/87/sorrisniva-igloo-hotel.jpg)

(http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/9d/6a/85/sorrisniva-igloo-hotel.jpg)

(http://www.golocaltours.com.au/i/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Sorrisniva-Igloo-Hotel-Alta-Norway-740.jpg)

According to your water map here  (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/jurassic_seaway_900.jpg)  I would be a 100 miles or so from the water and a couple hundred from the ice sheets; if it starts to look like this again I will be loaded up and waddling towards the southwest  8)

save all the ferret poop, we may need it for fertilizer...

Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Sept 15 2014 – Another All-Time Record
http://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2014/09/15/antarctic-sea-ice-extent-sept-15-2014-another-all-time-record/

(http://sunshinehours.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/antarctic_sea_ice_extent_zoomed_2014_day_257_1981-2010.png)

Quote from: zorgon on September 21, 2014, 03:44:42 AM
Zorgon has been saying for years that global warming will TRIGGER the next ice age...

Zorgon has posted several times the results of the Vostok Ice Core readings

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47brotherthebig/04images/Antarctica/415k-year-temp-graph.jpg)

Watch the move "The Day After Tomorrow"

Yes they exaggerate but the MECHANISM they show is 100% accurate

Global warming, a NATURAL cycle (see graph above)  causes ice melt. This in turn changes the salininity of sea water and that changes ocean current.  That in turn triggers super cell storms that bring down the cold for the next ice age

LOOK at the graph  The change is QUICK  over a 20-50 year sudden change. And the Earth has more cold periods than it does warm spells

That is why I moved to Vegas  well BELOW the last mega ice age maximum reach.  Yes we have food stock, blankets and lots of firewood... but a drop in temp down here would be welcome as we are still seeing 100F during the day

I tweeted this image and was asked for a source...   The server here is not the best.  [grin]  Where did this graphic come from?  I did a search but found nothing.

Quote from: Amaterasu on September 22, 2014, 06:29:02 PM
I tweeted this image and was asked for a source...   The server here is not the best.  [grin]  Where did this graphic come from?  I did a search but found nothing.

I did a search and it brought me to The Living Moon as the first hit on google.
:)

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/02files/Global_Warming_003.html

QuoteThis graph and the graphs below are drawn from the data gathered from the Vostok ice core samples and, unlike the tree ring data, is scientifically sound and uncontroversial. Looking at the above graph, there have been six periods in the last 415,000 years when global temperature exceeded today's temperature by as much as nine degrees. 10,000 years ago, the global temperature was five degrees higher than today. Hey, wait a minute, polar bears have been around longer than 10,000 years, haven't they? Yeah, they've been around for about 200,000 years. Which means that in the world according to Gore, they should have gone extinct twice by now.

Well, yeah, but who created the graph?  Was it created by z?  Linking here just shows We have the graphic attached.  I want the source of the image, not TLM.  [smile]

Quote from: zorgon on September 21, 2014, 03:44:42 AM
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47brotherthebig/04images/Antarctica/415k-year-temp-graph.jpg)

LOOK at the graph  The change is QUICK  over a 20-50 year sudden change. And the Earth has more cold periods than it does warm spells

"20-50 year sudden change"? That graph's axis is in thousands of years. ???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhyLKJgd8Zw

More seriously, from an astrological point of view I would be expecting global cooling more than warming.  Aquarius astrologically is the last of the three Winter signs, and therefore the coldest.  Uranus is a frozen planet.

So yes; my guess is that this coming cold snap won't be the last one.  Come to think of it, that's probably also why we've had what seems like warming.  We will go to the warm extreme first, and then the system will swing back to cold in an attempt to rebalance itself.

Unfortunately I have no firewood. Or fireplace for that matter. Apartment dweller here. Suppose the old "adapt, improvise, overcome" paradigm will have to be dusted off. "And right quick.", as the saying goes.

some times it is best to have some friends or a group to help each other...makes thoughts if impending doom much less stressful

I think we will all be tested

Quote from: ArMaP on September 22, 2014, 09:15:04 PM
"20-50 year sudden change"? That graph's axis is in thousands of years. ???

::)  Okay I exaggerated a tad

Here is one of more relevance to us  showing the mini ice ages

(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Seas/2065311545_2abdf79551.jpg)

Quote from: Amaterasu on September 22, 2014, 06:29:02 PM
The server here is not the best.  [grin]

What does that mean?

QuoteWhere did this graphic come from?  I did a search but found nothing.

Some paper somewhere LOL I forget which  but the data is here:

DOE - Oak Ridge National Laboratory/Battell Inc

Historical Carbon Dioxide Record from the Vostok Ice Core
Period of Record 417,160 - 2,342 years BP
http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/vostok.html

That is an abstract  I have the original paper here somewhere

Here is another graphic of trapped CO2  It roughly corresponds to the other chart

(http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/graphics/vostok.co2.gif)

NOAA
Vostok Ice Core
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/icecore/antarctica/vostok/vostok.html

NASA
Paleoclimatology: The Ice Core Record
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Paleoclimatology_IceCores/

Ice Core Data Help Solve a Global Warming Mystery
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ice-core-data-help-solve/

National Ice Core Laboratory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Ice_Core_Laboratory

European Project for Ice Coring in Antarctica (EPICA)
http://www.awi.de/de/forschung/fachbereiche/geowissenschaften/glaciology/projects/epica/

Hope that helps [grin]

Quote from: Amaterasu on September 22, 2014, 07:28:10 PM
Well, yeah, but who created the graph?  Was it created by z?  Linking here just shows We have the graphic attached.  I want the source of the image, not TLM.  [smile]

Say please next time...

Quote from: petrus4 on September 22, 2014, 09:30:10 PM
Come to think of it, that's probably also why we've had what seems like warming.  We will go to the warm extreme first, and then the system will swing back to cold in an attempt to rebalance itself.

Yes increases solar activity causes what we are calling global warming. That warming causes changes to weather patterns and ocean currents that in turn trigger the next ice age  add to that a decline in solar output and there ya go...

Time to chop firewood and stock up  just in case. Don't forget that IF it happens the food growing areas will be under water or under ice sheets

8)

OH an the shifting weather patterns and shifting continents as weight is removed by melting ice is also a factor.  Means more sever earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanos

Not that we have seen any of that right? It's all HAARP's fault

::)

Thanks for the data, z.

Why should I say "please" to someOne that I am not asking for the info from?

Quote from: this_is_who_we_are on September 22, 2014, 09:42:22 PM
Unfortunately I have no firewood. Or fireplace for that matter. Apartment dweller here. Suppose the old "adapt, improvise, overcome" paradigm will have to be dusted off. "And right quick.", as the saying goes.

I don't think "right quick" is necessary  I would simply have a PLAN B ready

Mormons have a sound answer.  It is REQUIRED of every Mormon to have a BUG OUT BAG

This bug out bag consists of everything you will need immediately for a 72 hour period for EACH family member

Most emergencies like weather, earthquakes's etc  it is the first 48 hours that is critical.  Once that goes buy emergency services are starting to get to the problem

I made a thread here at the beginning  Had it all laid out, but it got deleted in the first attack we had and a subsequent error in restoring

I will do that thread again (or more likely on a webpage)

The biggest issue is MOBILITY  A human can go several days without food and water and you can find stuff along the way if need be

But IF you had to move south to escape the ice flows, be prepared for grid lock   8)  Not that the ice will come that fats  but once everyone know the sh!t is coming down the pipes the roads outta town will soon be a jam

Lotta open space down here. Yes its a dessert but when the temps drop that will change rapidly. You should see the desert after a single rain... see how fast it blooms to life

Food?  Prickley Pears, Yucca Root all over the place. Wild Melons Jack Rabbits Quails and Lizard (taste like chicken) No need to eat bugs  (yech)

All that matters really is to be READY for ANY emergency and have a route out of town, even if that means a knapsack and good hiking boots