While the event happened a few weeks ago, it is just now being reported. Please remove or move if necessary.
ITEM:Pharmaceutical firm dumps polio virus into Belgium riverhttp://www.digitaljournal.com/life/health/pharmaceutical-firm-dumps-polio-virus-into-belgium-river/article/404910
BY TIM SANDLE 15 HOURS AGO IN HEALTH
QuoteRixensart - Staff working at a GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) facility dumped more than 45 liters of concentrated live polio into the water at a Belgian treatment plant earlier this month.
The incident happened on September 2, although news of the event has only recently been reported. According to a statement from the Federal Public Service (FPS) Health, Food Chain Safety and Environment in Belgium "human error" resulted in the live virus making its way into the Lasne and Dyle rivers in Rixensart.
As if Ebola wasn't enough.
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In a world where dumping a few gallons of Round-Up or the remains of a home vehicle oil change into the open environment will get someone jammed up hard, and rightfully so, they do this?
Given this and other examples like the accidental shipment of live and dangerous anthrax spores, I wonder if it's well past time to catalog and regulate every location in the world that handles the most lethal material? Polio, Ebola, Pox variants and more, for example. Lab and security protocols seem so loose, they flap in the breeze these days. (or run the river without the proverbial paddle)
Quote from: Wrabbit2000 on September 24, 2014, 03:45:37 PM
In a world where dumping a few gallons of Round-Up or the remains of a home vehicle oil change into the open environment will get someone jammed up hard, and rightfully so, they do this?
Given this and other examples like the accidental shipment of live and dangerous anthrax spores, I wonder if it's well past time to catalog and regulate every location in the world that handles the most lethal material? Polio, Ebola, Pox variants and more, for example. Lab and security protocols seem so loose, they flap in the breeze these days. (or run the river without the proverbial paddle)
Given Agenda 21... And ebola, AIDS, and no doubt other beasties, have been deliberately created for Us, I sure this was an "accident." ::)
I was just informed that Enterovirus used to be classified as Polio. perhaps the recent Enterovirus 68 outbreak and this Polio thing are more than coincidence.
I'm also sure someone already thought of this. Just thought I'd mention it.
I know this tends to make me a bit of an oddball, but I just can't get onboard with the concept of Ebola having been a man made virus in any way. I suppose in the age of buck rogers, that we live in now, it's easier to imagine such a thing being achieved and so well on the first go around, no less.
The thing is...Ebola is thought to have first popped up in the early 70's and is confirmed as having made its appearance by the mid 70's, either way. I was a wee young in the year Ebola was first documented, but I do vaguely recall the quaint level of what is commonly called "technology". By the standards of today? Well... Everything had to start somewhere, right? (chuckle)
Ebola hasn't fundamentally changed, aside from finding a few variant strains from that first confirmed case. So, as an engineered bug, we'd be giving them credit for making a near perfect lab virus in terms of having already been adapted to exist within it's own equilibrium or balance among nature. I.E....Nothing significant appeared to push mutation for what differed between the lab environment and the wild, inside an endless variation of host bodies.
I credit nature with that level of infinite complexity and we sit back to invent entire fields of study to simply explain how that can happen at all. I don't credit man, and especially 1970's man with having anything close to the expertise needed for creating a thing like Ebola, with it's observed behavior.
Quote from: Wrabbit2000 on September 27, 2014, 03:14:56 PM
I know this tends to make me a bit of an oddball, but I just can't get onboard with the concept of Ebola having been a man made virus in any way. I suppose in the age of buck rogers, that we live in now, it's easier to imagine such a thing being achieved and so well on the first go around, no less.
The thing is...Ebola is thought to have first popped up in the early 70's and is confirmed as having made its appearance by the mid 70's, either way. I was a wee young in the year Ebola was first documented, but I do vaguely recall the quaint level of what is commonly called "technology". By the standards of today? Well... Everything had to start somewhere, right? (chuckle)
Ebola hasn't fundamentally changed, aside from finding a few variant strains from that first confirmed case. So, as an engineered bug, we'd be giving them credit for making a near perfect lab virus in terms of having already been adapted to exist within it's own equilibrium or balance among nature. I.E....Nothing significant appeared to push mutation for what differed between the lab environment and the wild, inside an endless variation of host bodies.
I credit nature with that level of infinite complexity and we sit back to invent entire fields of study to simply explain how that can happen at all. I don't credit man, and especially 1970's man with having anything close to the expertise needed for creating a thing like Ebola, with it's observed behavior.
Ebola was traced to green monkeys and bats in the Congo and Sudan. This all started with "bush meat".
It has been interesting to find that the Bats and Primates as a reservoir for Ebola have represented best guess and deduction as opposed to fact by observation and confirmed science.
I've found the material from USAMRIID, WHO, CDC and others to be very interesting and disturbing in that way. What is on the visibly public side of their websites and largely created since this outbreak began is one thing and presents one impression. A very different impression in some ways can be found deeper, and based on field work and/or studies which tend to show less than solid support for those public pronouncements.
What we seem to know for certain about Ebola and from a medical standpoint is that we don't know near enough to be effective. At least Polio, to work back to the topic here, is one that is largely under control. At least it was until some in the NW Tribal zone of Pakistan started killing aid workers carrying vaccine for it. Then Polio made it's come back and largely spawned from the place to reject the method to prevent it.