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A patient was admitted to a North Texas Hospital last night with signs of possible "Ebola Virus Disease" as the article refers to it. The suspicion has been confirmed by the CDC labs as the first U.S. Ebola patient to present from the general population

I suppose...it just got real folks.

QuoteDALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) – Officials with the Centers for Disease Control have confirmed that a person in Dallas definitely has the Ebola virus. Tuesday's official determination makes the Dallas patient the first diagnosed Ebola case in the United States.

Source (http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/cdc-confirms-patient-in-dallas-has-the-ebola-virus/)

Some days I can say I really do wish I hadn't rolled out of bed at all. That hospital is about 475 miles from me.

To add a bit to this. I just caught the tail end of the live feed for the press question/answer with the CDC in Atlanta. Their general message and tone is that the guy was 0 for infectious chance on the flight he arrived on, which was Sept 20th. They aren't releasing flight info on that basis. He was visiting family and they are tracing contact as quickly as possible, as far out as applicable.

The CDC spokesman also confirmed the timeline as the guy having sought treatment on the 26th and gone home, then returned and been admitted.

Quote from: Wrabbit2000 on September 30, 2014, 11:15:48 PM
To add a bit to this. I just caught the tail end of the live feed for the press question/answer with the CDC in Atlanta. Their general message and tone is that the guy was 0 for infectious chance on the flight he arrived on, which was Sept 20th. They aren't releasing flight info on that basis. He was visiting family and they are tracing contact as quickly as possible, as far out as applicable.

The CDC spokesman also confirmed the timeline as the guy having sought treatment on the 26th and gone home, then returned and been admitted.

We shouldn't be taking any flights from the infected areas. This is just plain stupid.

Whom did he infect in that two-day window between hospital visits?

So far, they are claiming no secondary infections have been found. Then again, isolation for incubation on Ebola is usually 21 days minimum and it is not uncommon to read 42 days used in Africa when they shut an area down or otherwise institute a quarantine. Of course, the message from CDC seems to be "Nothing to see here, move along now..."

There is a bit more firming up for information on the basic line of events here though and my initial reading of last night (29th) being when he was admitted was incorrect. It was the 28th. Here is a bit more from another source this evening.

QuoteThe patient left Liberia on September 19 and arrived in the United States on September 20, CDC director, Dr. Tom Frieden told reporters at a press conference Tuesday. It's the first patient to be diagnosed with this particular strain of Ebola outside of Africa.

"[The patient] had no symptoms when departing Liberia or entering this country. But four or five days later on the 24th of September, he began to develop symptoms," said Frieden.

The patient, who was in the U.S. visiting family in Texas, initially sought care on September 26, but was sent home and was not admitted until two days later. He was placed in isolation at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital of Dallas, where he remains critically ill, according to Frieden.

Source (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/09/30/cdc-confirms-first-case-ebola-in-us/)

Headlines tonight are suggesting the Government isn't ready for a large outbreak (hard to believe after the buildup in DHS and Fema from previous scares in recent years) and Airports cannot screen for this (impossible to believe if symptoms show).

The official material from Government agencies and what they give their own people say over and over that the only response to Ebola is barrier tactics and physical isolation. Hopefully they are following everything and err'ing on the side of caution.

I also agree on the need to just say no to flights inbound from *ANY* of those nations known to have active outbreaks. I mean, sheesh... Seems like a no brainer. Sure, people can go to other nations to fly in, but adding that level of complication may well be enough to deter the casual "oops" case that makes for a historic footnote on an epidemic or pandemic outbreak.

An interesting article by Jon Rappaport:

QuoteIs "1st US Ebola patient" a hoax?

by Jon Rappoport

October 1, 2014

NoMoreFakeNews.com

Trumpeted headline news:

An unnamed Ebola patient is isolated at the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas, after arriving from Liberia.

First of all, we have the highly dubious marketing aspect of the whole event, in order to achieve an explosive effect.

Media outlets, taking their cue from the CDC, are using the term, "1st US Ebola patient," when that is obviously false.

Several other Ebola patients have been treated in the US, most notably Dr. Keith Brantly.

It turns out the CDC technically means: first Ebola patient diagnosed here in the US. The others were apparently diagnosed in West Africa.

The difference is hardly significant. It certainly doesn't rate banner headlines. So why is the CDC, and therefore the US government making such a big deal out of this patient?

The CDC wants every American to know the agency is hunting down—and will quarantine—every person they find who had recent contact with the Dallas patient—beginning a new phase in the Ebola scare-campaign.

Not only that, any of those contacts who turn out to be positive for Ebola will, in turn, trigger a yet-wider search for his/her contacts...and so on.

This hunt-and-search dragnet sets the stage for quarantines in designated sectors across the US.—and travel bans.

The dragnet comes at a moment when announcements about releasing a new Ebola vaccine are accelerating—and of course the CDC wants to make sure Americans accept the vaccine, even though tests for its safety have barely begun.

Ramp up the fear of Ebola; release the vaccine; urge, insist, and demand the population take the shot.

On a scientific level, as CDC chief Tom Frieden mentioned in his press conference yesterday, the diagnosis of Ebola in the Dallas patient was done by the use of the PCR test.

Frieden assured the press the test is highly accurate.

Actually, the very sensitive test is prone to a number of errors, the first of which is mistaking the tiny amount of cellular material taken from the patient for an element of the Ebola virus.

More important, since the PCR is based on the idea of amplifying, millions of times, this sample, in order to be able to observe it, it throws into doubt the premise that the patient has enough virus in his body to cause disease.

A person who is purportedly ill as a result of a virus has millions and millions of the active virus in his body. There is no need to run the PCR test in that case.

It is therefore legitimate to ask: why was the PCR done on the Dallas patient?

Instead, why weren't other tests run?

And: why wasn't a test done which directly isolated the Ebola virus in the patient and then measured the quantity and concentration (titer) of it in his body?

Following their own paradigm of disease, that's what researchers and doctors would want: information about how much virus is present in the patient.

The PCR test does not yield reliable data in that regard.

No scientist who owes his job and reputation to the CDC or any other conventional medical organization will press these questions, but there are plenty of independent scientists who can step forward.

Now is the time. The Dallas patient is being used to forward a fear/quarantine/vaccine agenda.

Notice—absolutely nothing is being said about the most important fact in this equation: the strength of a person's immune system and its superior ability to throw off a virus on its own.

Of course not. That would undercut the fact that selling drugs and vaccines is the number-one ambition of the medical industry.

Jon Rappoport

Found here:  http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/10/01/is-1st-us-ebola-patient-a-hoax/

Hmmm.... With all respect to the man and what he seems to have for some knowledge..on something relating to this? He has no earthly clue what he's talking about and his ignorance isn't cute, its dangerous. It's potentially lethal if that one case morphs into more (and a second case is already running headlines in Dallas as a possible, right now).

I refer to the source used...not the person posting it, to be very clear on that. There is no room for peeing matches in this one. This is too serious.

QuoteIt turns out the CDC technically means: first Ebola patient diagnosed here in the US. The others were apparently diagnosed in West Africa.

The difference is hardly significant. It certainly doesn't rate banner headlines. So why is the CDC, and therefore the US government making such a big deal out of this patient?

The difference is how we define an item of interest on the news and the direct threat of infection to our fellow Americans.

This was the first case "IN THE WILD" within the United States. There have been no others, as of yet, and that makes this significant in serious ways. It is a distinction which changes everything, if this doesn't turn out as an isolated one-off incident.

Not least of which is the fact that this man was walking free for at least 48 hours in a symptomatic state between his first appearance to health officials on September 26th and his final admission and isolation to a hospital on the 28th. It's now known, as a given fact and reported all over as we speak, he exposed school age children by contact, among others. Incubation is 21 days. So says all material I can find from official sources on Ebola. So sets the waiting period to see if they are infected or not.

I suppose I'll be a rather unhumorous bunny on this story, because Dallas is entirely too close for comfort. We have, currently, 3 exotic viruses which are new and carry various levels of doom for our citizens. This respiratory virus they keep calling a mystery and which they JUST admitted, last night, was in my immediate area during the time my whole house came down with the symptoms they describe here in Missouri. We have this mosquito born virus coming up from Mexico and Central America, judging by where it is first appearing right now ...and then we have the granddaddy of them all for viral threats currently known to be in the wild and active. Ebola.

For people interested in avoiding the 'Conspiracy speak' on this one and want to simply focus on the facts and actual epidemiology of it, as it's happening? I have a source to refer to that specializes in that very thing. Tracking, recording and displaying outbreaks around the world on a real time or near real time basis for a wide variety of viral and bacterial disease.

Global Incident Outbreaks (http://outbreaks.globalincidentmap.com/home.php)

Those who know that link from my sharing it elsewhere, know I usually couch it with a warning. I don't have the heart or the desire to include that warning, this time. It just doesn't apply as we're watching news of a second Ebola case possible for the Dallas situation.

All I can say is...Don't believe ANYONE on what "is or is not true" about how this bug works, how it spreads and how it kills. Including me. Do your own research and put a few hours into it. This one is a 100% No Drill situation, and if anything ever warranted a couple hours of dry reading for personal enrichment, this one does. It may just be a critical factor at some point for health.

Considering Jon has done decades of study on vaccines, dud "pandemics," and the machinations that sell vaccines...  And has looked into the risks for healthy Humans vs. immune-compromised Humans, rarely does a healthy Human have many issues - the immune system is a marvelous thing.

Ebola may be what They are claiming, but I doubt, barring the spraying of virii on Us, that We will see much in the way of actual ebola happening.  If They spray Us...which I surely don't put past Them...then who knows what We will see.

But I surely suspect that this is more to accomplish widespread vaccination with toxic, sterilizing, hazardous materials with the pretense that it has anything to do with "protection" from ebola, and not part of Agenda 21.

Quote from: Amaterasu on October 01, 2014, 10:12:13 PM
But I surely suspect that this is more to accomplish widespread vaccination with toxic, sterilizing, hazardous materials with the pretense that it has anything to do with "protection" from ebola, and not part of Agenda 21.

In this case, I absolutely and completely mean it when I say I hope you are correct in every assumption you are making and this is a fully man-made, artificial and concocted outbreak to meet some agenda.

That, right now, would be the BEST case scenario we could be looking at for everyone involved. It's also the most unlikely one, in my view, but it would suggest some level of control. Any level of control is a reassuring thing when dealing with exceptionally lethal pathogens that are out in the wild.

In terms of 'experts'? Ebola HAS no "experts" in the sense of other bugs, and your average micro-biologist is probably as expert as anyone else on Earth who isn't directly handling the inside of this outbreak. The reason is how very few times Ebola has been in the open to examine and learn from. Precious few, in fact, over it's near 40 year documented existence. It's as much guesswork as assumption coming out of presumption for those working the crisis.

Now it's a single case in America ....so I suppose the conspiracy stuff is sexy here at the moment. It'll get ratings, sell books, get clicks and make people way out on the fringes of junk science sound special for a very short time. I wouldn't even suggest it under my breath as a joke in the nations who have seen bodies piling in the streets, to read local daily accounts of this thing. The reaction from locals would be......extremely violent, I'm thinking.

I also wish anyone all the power in creation to survive, if they figure good health is enough to face and defeat a viral agent like Ebola. They'll need it. This hasn't just claimed the lives of "civilians" but some of the leading health officials and professionals in the impacted nations. Men who do this for a living and have literally forgotten more about hemorrhagic fevers than you or I will ever know, put together. This outbreak and this strain killed them as dead as the poor beggar in the street to get it from pure bad luck.

BTW... on another aspect... Is anyone in the Military here or affiliated in any way with Northern Command to be aware of movements or mobilizations within that organization? I'd be shocked to see public chatter on it, but maybe someone knows someone else whose conscience would get the better of them to spill some info?

Here is a quick update. I'll skip most of what has happened since I last added to this thread, since most of us are likely following this close enough to be aware of breaking developments in Dallas, among other locations at this stage.

I came across this though and thought it would be of interest for folks to see.

State Of Texas - Communicable Disease Control Order (http://cryptome.org/2014/10/texas-ebola-order-nyt-14-1002.pdf)

It's a quick 2 page PDF but it is the document you would likely be handed today if you were a member of the infected family there or someone to be added to the list in need of 21 day quarantine.

Also, the latest this morning is that a member of the N.B.C. News team covering Liberia has been confirmed positive with Ebola infection and is awaiting med-evac to the United States. The rest of the crew is also self isolating out of caution, by reports still coming.

...and the band plays on.

Amaterasu; No disrespect but that guy is full of it, I gave him the benefit of doubt untill I read this :
"Notice—absolutely nothing is being said about the most important fact in this equation: the strength of a person's immune system and its superior ability to throw off a virus on its own."

Well d'uh, the ebola has a confirmed 90% morality rate ( from the strains we have encountered so far )  So who in their right mind goes telling people, well if you eat you'r fruit and vegetables you should be fine( which is what his basically saying ).

He made a new post 47 questions and answers...  here's one that caught my attention :

QuoteQ: What's killing all those people in West Africa?

A: With the tests being run on them—and many are simply eyeballed and called "Ebola"—there is no proof that any of these people have Ebola.

Q: There are other long-term reasons for death and dying in West Africa?

A: Protein-calorie malnutrition, hunger, starvation, extreme poverty, contaminated water supplies, overall lack of basic sanitation, a decade of horrific war, toxic medical drugs, prior toxic vaccine campaigns, etc.

So all those healthcare workers that died/people laying dead in the street are just dead from the above...

The guy should stop posting this utterly bs, because this is how people die/.

Quote from: Senduko on October 03, 2014, 07:43:49 PM
Amaterasu; No disrespect but that guy is full of it, I gave him the benefit of doubt untill I read this :
"Notice—absolutely nothing is being said about the most important fact in this equation: the strength of a person's immune system and its superior ability to throw off a virus on its own."

Well d'uh, the ebola has a confirmed 90% morality rate ( from the strains we have encountered so far )  So who in their right mind goes telling people, well if you eat you'r fruit and vegetables you should be fine( which is what his basically saying ).

He made a new post 47 questions and answers...  here's one that caught my attention :
So all those healthcare workers that died/people laying dead in the street are just dead from the above...

The guy should stop posting this utterly bs, because this is how people die/.

And Lessee...  That 90% death rate is in areas with overcrowding, poor sanitation, wretched nutrition, minimal care available, and no vitamin C treatment.

But it is just as deadly to People with good nutrition, not overcrowded, with fine sanitation...?   Hmmm.

Frankly, I am not convinced this whole thing isn't a psyop.

EDIT:  And in case You missed it, those health care workers are spending hours in very hot hazmat suits, sweating out the larger part of Their water, taking a break to rehydrate and cleanse with toxic stuff, and returing to sweat out the fluids again.  Do that too much and One can easily become ill.

The tests for ebola They are using are shamefully poor.  And most are "diagnosed" by eyeballing Them, as stated.

QuoteFrankly, I am not convinced this whole thing isn't a psyop.

Far too many stupid mistakes happening for this. Either no one in government  is taking this seriously enough or like you say perhaps a psyop. In my opinion...if this in fact IS a weaponized form of Ebola they would not release it unless there WAS a cure. That being said they may inoculate those whom they deem matter as for the rest of us, a mediocre fix may be in the works with no guarantees and likely a plethora more health risks involved in the treatments if you should survive. There also has been too much going on behind the scenes prior to the onset of this epidemic. Someone knew this was going to happen long before it happened. This is why I am in agreement with the psyop argument.

Team, great thread.

Wrabbit, Ellirium, Amaterasu, Senduko - great thoughts beat by beat.

The simultaneous appearance of the schoolyard Entero Virus (sounds like a Metallica song) is odd. Seems similar to the K-Mart group that was on the news *the other day/today*. Arbitrary "he was unarmed, and only made it in 'a little ways'" stuff.

The next 10 - 14 days are going to tell the tale domestically, as obviously, the African death-toll has been, surely, frighteningly under-reported.

This is about the hottest item on the blotter, especially if the transmission parameters are being dumbed down in the press

Paulie

Quote from: Ellirium113 on October 04, 2014, 01:07:19 AM
Far too many stupid mistakes happening for this. Either no one in government  is taking this seriously enough or like you say perhaps a psyop. In my opinion...if this in fact IS a weaponized form of Ebola they would not release it unless there WAS a cure. That being said they may inoculate those whom they deem matter as for the rest of us, a mediocre fix may be in the works with no guarantees and likely a plethora more health risks involved in the treatments if you should survive. There also has been too much going on behind the scenes prior to the onset of this epidemic. Someone knew this was going to happen long before it happened. This is why I am in agreement with the psyop argument.

I have heard rumors that there is indeed a cure.  But that it is not in production...  Given the psyoppish nature of the whole affair, the sloppiness, the sending troops INTO the zone (huh?  Did I miss something?), the lack of concern by so many "in charge..."  I have to give fair probability that indeed, They have a cure and are not really letting anyOne know.

Quote from: pschrier on October 04, 2014, 06:40:08 AM
The next 10 - 14 days are going to tell the tale domestically, as obviously, the African death-toll has been, surely, frighteningly under-reported.

I couldn't agree more with that. I've slowed a bit in posting more about this because the private sector began moving against Government suggestions. That gave me a fresh feeling of hope. Specifically, the airlines told them where to stick their "nothing to see...no need to know flight info" and realized their corporate future would hang in the balance if one person from one plane connected to this were to be sick. Fear of liability......it may not be a perfect motivator, but it comes to be enough to give me some hope of things being done with purpose.

Like you say though....The timer isn't up to us and no human is really setting the deadline to see what there is to see here. That is entirely up to this little beastie and its incubation period. If we can pass October 19th (or so)..without another case? Well, then we dodged a bullet yet again, eh? If not? I hope they have their plastic beakers and bunny suits handy for the next wave.

I did find a few articles which may help for perspective. The first one is hopeful and it's important in sharing to see how and why Ebola has been different in Nigeria.

Nigeria's Actions Seem to Contain Ebola Outbreak (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/01/health/ebola-outbreak-in-nigeria-appears-to-be-over.html)

The second one isn't as hopeful. In fact, it's not terribly positive at all. Then again, very little about Ebola is. I've lost track of mortality rate on this. Some suggest as low as 40% death rate among those treated in a 1st world medical setting, and that sounds very good. The 75%(ish) comes where the systems aren't good to begin with or they lost initial containment and ...even our hostpitals could be overwhelmed and overloaded with enough at once.

A Hospital From Hell, in a City Swamped by Ebola (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/world/africa/ebola-spreading-in-west-africa.html)

Finally, this is coming a tad late, as the bio on Duncan is widely known at this point. Still, I'm keeping this with the dozens of other bookmarks I'm adding to for the Ebola story because it's a very solid piece written to cover just about all of his issues in one story.

U.S. Patient Aided Pregnant Liberian, Then Took Ill (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/world/africa/ebola-victim-texas-thomas-eric-duncan.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0)

The fact of the matter is, he left a trail of bodies behind him and where the mini-outbreak he was infected by had been centered. One after another got sick and went down, until he left to come here. What a guy.....and I'm leaning hard to supporting a shut down of air travel out of the infected nations as a result of cases like this. The more people who get the idea 'hope of survival lay in reaching the US'? The more likely we start seeing our limited resources for this become overwhelmed in short order.

That..and not a single case spreading by mistakes at this stage, is my greatest concern. If word spreads that hope is here? Those with no hope will flood us. After all, who here wouldn't do the same in reverse if that were the impression you had while sitting with a viral exposure or early infection with HIGH odds of it killing you, otherwise?

Interesting.

QuoteHuman ebola virus species and compositions and methods thereof
CA 2741523 A1


Abstract


Compositions and methods including and related to the Ebola Bundibugyo virus (EboBun) are provided.
Compositions are provided that are operable as immunogens to elicit and immune response or protection from EboBun challenge in a subject such as a primate. Inventive methods are directed to detection and treatment of EboBun infection.

http://www.google.com/patents/CA2741523A1?cl=en (http://www.google.com/patents/CA2741523A1?cl=en)

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According to the Center for Aerobiological Sciences, U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, Maryland:

(1) Ebola has an aerosol stability that is comparable to Influenza-A

(2) Much like Flu, Airborne Ebola transmissions need Winter type conditions to maximize Aerosol infection

"Filoviruses, which are classified as Category A Bioterrorism Agents by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (Atlanta, GA), have stability in aerosol form comparable to other lipid containing viruses such as influenza A virus, a low infectious dose by the aerosol route (less than 10 PFU) in NHPs, and case fatality rates as high as ~90% ."

"The mode of acquisition of viral infection in index cases is usually unknown. Secondary transmission of filovirus infection is typically thought to occur by direct contact with infected persons or infected blood or tissues.

There is no strong evidence of secondary transmission by the aerosol route in African filovirus outbreaks. However, aerosol transmission is thought to be possible and may occur in conditions of lower temperature and humidity which may not have been factors in outbreaks in warmer climates.

At the very least, the potential exists for aerosol transmission, given that virus is detected in bodily secretions, the pulmonary alveolar interstitial cells, and within lung spaces".


Analysis:

It's clear that when Ebola is in the air it is at least as hardy as Influenza.

It's also clear that coughing and sneezing is what makes Influenza airborne; the same should be expected of Ebola.

Moreover, just as sun, heat, and humidity along the Earths' Equatorial regions serve to 'burn' Influenza out of the air, the same should be expected of Ebola.

The difference with Ebola is that physical contact with even the tiniest amounts of infected bodily fluid can cause infection, hence unlike flu it also readily spreads in equatorial regions.

When Ebola spreads to the regions of the Earth which experience Fall and Winter Flu seasons, airborne Ebola infectious routes are to be expected in conjunction with direct contact infection.

Ebola has the capability to infect pretty much every cell in the entire human respiratory tract.

Similarly, our skin offers little resistance to even the smallest amounts of Ebola.

How much airborne transmission will occur will be a function of how well Ebola induces coughing and sneezing in its victims in cold weather climates. Coughing and nasal bleeding are both reported symptoms in Africa, so the worst should be expected.

In that regard, co-infections with Flu, Cold, or even seasonal Allergies will readily transform Ebola victims into biowarfare factories.

Unlike Flu, a person need not inhale airborne Ebola to be infected via airborne transmission. Merely walking through an airspace (or touching the objects therein) where an Ebola victim has coughed or sneezed is potentially enough for a cold weather infection to occur.

As such, all indicators are that Ebola's potential rate of infectious spread in cold weather climates is EXPLOSIVELY greater than what is occurring in Equatorial Africa.


Mutation:

Given that the experts are keenly aware that most mutations lead to viral dead ends and given the ARMY's public research documents make such a clear case that the Ebola airborne risk is here and now, the question remains: why are the experts pushing a "future mutation" fear on the public?


The primary benefits of the media mutation gambit are:

1) When the public becomes aware Ebola is airborne, the public will default to blaming a mutation rather blaming the experts for having prior knowledge of Ebola's transmission ability

2) A scary future fear makes for great immediate fund raising from a public seeking to avoid it.

3) The expert clique comes down hard on experts that do anything which is perceived to immediately raise public fear, an accurate warning to the public can immediately negatively affect a forthright expert's budget and prestige.

4) Public knowledge of imminent Public Health threats negatively affects supply chains and the logistics planned responses.

The next time some expert pushes the Ebola mutation risk ask them to specify exactly what mutations would be required to do as they claim.

When they refuse, ask why experts spelled out the mutation steps of Avian Influenza and why they won't for Ebola.

The answer is: Ebola can already infect pretty much every cell in the human respiratory system.

Wow.  I started running a fever today - low at 99° which is a bout a degree above My normal (yes, I tend to run at about 98°) - and scratchy throat - but no nausea.  Hope They haven't sprayed Us with the virus yet...

Quote from: Amaterasu on October 05, 2014, 04:48:19 AM
Hope They haven't sprayed Us with the virus yet...

Why would "they" spray that particular area?  ::)

Quote from: ArMaP on October 05, 2014, 09:29:38 AM
Why would "they" spray that particular area?  ::)

I'm still back on the question of why authority would spray any area with a lethal viral agent. Eventually, it's not brilliant population control, eh? It's why stockpiles were made during the last 40-50 years...but as far as I know, never once used. Even the world powers understand that Bio agents can't be turned off, and can't be controlled, once let loose to run.

Eventually, the reaper comes to knock on the door of the ones who released it, IMO. Viruses even morph just often enough so authority would understand, cures existing the day it breaks out may well be worthless by the time it comes calling. So, I'm not anywhere close to sold on this being artificial. If it is, getting to the people who would think it up for the criminal insanity this would suggest they've fallen into is more important than the bug itself.

To add the latest for keeping up with.....It seems one of the Docs brought back and recovered in the US is back in the Hospital.

Quote(CNN) -- An American patient treated for Ebola in Nebraska then released is now in isolation in a hospital in Massachusetts. And an Ebola patient in Dallas has slipped into critical condition.

Dr. Richard Sacra, who had been previously treated for Ebola, went to an emergency room early Saturday in Boston with a cough and fever, said missionary organization Serving in Mission. He was afraid he might have pneumonia.

Because of his previous infection, he was transferred to the UMass Memorial Medical Center in Worcester, the center said in a statement.

Source (http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/05/health/ebola-us/index.html)

The medical data out there states that the Ebola virus can be found in bodily fluid (Semen in particular, as being documented) for as much as 7 weeks following clinical recovery.

This would be a real bad time to find it can also relapse...wouldn't it? Errr.... I sure wish this Virus had appeared more than it has in the past. They'd know more about it.

Where Ebola and similar topics are concerned, there is one very important thing to keep in mind, kids.

They want you to be constantly afraid.

Fear serves the cabal's purposes in two ways.

a}  When you are afraid, you do not want freedom.  You are more likely to be attracted to authoritarian governments which seem to have all the answers, and which can tell you how to think, where to go, and what to do, without you needing to go to the trouble of having to figure all of that out yourself.  In a state of extreme fear, you are generally also going to be feeling extremely non-sovereign, which will in turn mean that you will think that you don't even have the ability to make those sorts of decisions for yourself in the first place.

b}  The principle of sympathetic resonance is what determines which astral construct or physical timeline we go to next.  You go from one timeline to the next, about once every billionth of a second or so.  If the cabal can keep you constantly thinking about war, disease, terrorism, and fascism, then they will ensure that the thoughts (and more importantly, emotions) that you are broadcasting, will cause you to continually be attracted to timelines which contain more and more of those things.

I am not suggesting not to be informed; or even to avoid this topic if it's something you want to talk about.  Just be aware of the game that is being played against you, and the reasons for it.

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On April 8th Congress was informed by the the Department of Defense [DoD] that because of emerging threats JBAIDS hemorrhagic fever assays have been deployed to National Guard units of all 50 States.

"By partnering with the U.S. Army Medical Research and Materiel Command and the Food and Drug Administration, we have made accessible additional diagnostic assays for high consequence, low probability biological threat agents for use during declared public health emergencies.

This collaboration has facilitated the availability of viral hemorrhagic fever diagnostic assays for use during a declared emergency and adds previously unavailable preparedness capabilities to this fielded system...

...To address the need for a near term capability to combat emerging threat materials, we have already provided Domestic Response Capability kits to the National Guard weapons of mass destruction civil support teams resident in all 50 states.

These kits provide emerging threat mitigation capability that includes detection, personnel protection, and decontamination."




It is unclear how real or imminent the threat may be, but it is clear that a massive surge of Governmental spending and preparedness has occurred since Hemorrhagic H7N9 Bird Flu came on the scene in 2013 and those preparedness activities are accelerating as EBOLA has started to gain momentum in Africa.

There are multiple vignettes one could put forth for these governmental activities ranging from simple wasteful defense spending to airborne mutated EBOLA, or an expected biological first strike prelude to WW3. The preparations seem to lean towards the latter.

Rather than worry about the situation, the best course of action is be aware of the unusual military equipment which would be utilized in a defense situation, as such information will provide leading edge risk mitigation actionable information to threats that may result in mass panic or mass quarantine.

In that regard, spotting the field use of the biomedical equipment shown below is an extremely strong indicator that a Biodefense operation is underway.

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The JBAIDS instrument evolved from the R.A.P.I.D. System for this contract as a reusable, portable, and modifiable system capable of simultaneous, reliable identification of multiple biological warfare agents and pathogens of operational concern and clinical significance.

This instrument is configured to support reliable, quick, and specific identification of biological agents from various clinical specimens and environmental samples. It also enhances force protection by providing medical personnel and commanders an expedient means to reliably and quickly identify naturally occurring or intentional biological threats. BioFire Diagnostics' R.A.P.I.D.® System (http://biofiredefense.com/rapid/rapid-water/) (the predecessor to the JBAIDS System) outperformed eight other competitors for the contract.

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Quote from: petrus4 on October 05, 2014, 01:58:10 PM
Where Ebola and similar topics are concerned, there is one very important thing to keep in mind, kids.

They want you to be constantly afraid.

You are more likely to get run over crossing the road folks.

This is the new Doom Porn, fear inducing non-crisis.  It is not pleasant but it is not the apocalypse really. ::)

I'm wish I could avoid being notified about this topic but it is in breaking news. :)

Quote from: Pimander on October 05, 2014, 05:21:25 PM
You are more likely to get run over crossing the road folks.

This is the new Doom Porn, fear inducing non-crisis.  It is not pleasant but it is not the apocalypse really. ::)

I'm wish I could avoid being notified about this topic but it is in breaking news. :)

I believe you are correct...problem...reaction...solution...and they come up with the solution which will favor big government.  It's nice to have the system in place just in case.

Quote from: Pimander on October 05, 2014, 05:21:25 PM
You are more likely to get run over crossing the road folks.

This is the new Doom Porn, fear inducing non-crisis.  It is not pleasant but it is not the apocalypse really. ::)

I'm wish I could avoid being notified about this topic but it is in breaking news. :)

I hear ya and I'm seeing the same thing. The discussion here is limited, about what is actually changing and as it changes, and really not much in the 'OMG! The SKY is raining bodies!". I looked around the net a bit at lines of discussion in other places and ... uhhh... I thought Y2k or the Elenin scare had been something. The reaction IS getting totally out of hand to the actual threat. The word hysteria comes to mind as close, if not quite appropriate yet.

Of course, I hate to see people with little more than MSM news to know anything about this, think it's as much a non-event as some there make it sound. Its no joke of course. It's just not more than potential threat. Especially while there is no uncontrolled transmission with new cases here, it's still all potentials and no realities. Who knows.. It may even remain that way.

On the scale of potential threats? I believe I recall the absurdity of living in a place as a child where we grew up knowing our deaths in a couple of nano seconds would be precisely 7-14 minutes from launch to eternity...and it wouldn't even end there, since Southern California was among the target areas the Soviets were going to drill with warheads for the underground stuff. Ebola ranks about a 3 with the end years of the Cold War being the 10 to scale it with. It has a long way to go yet, to become immediate.

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The CDC says that in the event of an Ebola outbreak in the U.S., bodies of the deceased would be required to be buried within "hermetically sealed caskets", which would prevent the escape of microbes during funerals. An administrator of the Dallas Institute of Funeral Service interviewed in the article states that he has never come across any such caskets in the industry, meaning, hermetically sealed coffins are NOT common. The CDC coffins in Madison, Georgia, though, ARE designed to prevent the spread of infection. In fact, the patent for these coffins confirms this!


This would suggest that the CDC has stockpiled such coffins...specifically in preparation for a viral outbreak.

Meaning the CDC has been expecting the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans due to infection for at least the past SIX YEARS!
A lot of preparation generally requires certainty...

- Illuminati Killers Facebook.

http://news.yahoo.com/feds-publish-guidelines-for-burying-us-ebola-patients-170101294.html

For your inspection.

Well, I hate to say it, but there is a big piece to add for the domestic march of this little beastie. A second nurse is symptomatic, as we all have likely heard by now, and connected to the original U.S. patient.

2nd Texas health worker tests positive for Ebola (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-confirmed-in-2nd-texas-health-worker/)

The above story came first, and before the real orgy of hype got running. The hype has been interesting to watch build by headline summaries over the last few hours, and as detail of how this happened has come to be known. I think one of the key points I first wondered was how this woman could possibly have gotten on an aircraft to fly to Cleveland and back? I mean, really? She's a health professional. Surely she had been advised to stay home for a bit and watch for symptoms?

Well... Not really, and it is part of the building record of how this is unfolding.

QuoteCBS News Medical Correspondent Dr. John LaPook reports that Vinson called the CDC several times before boarding the plane concerned about her fever.

"This nurse, Nurse Vinson,  did in fact call the CDC several times before taking that flight and said she has a temperature, a fever of 99.5, and the person at the CDC looked at a chart and because her temperature wasn't 100.4 or higher she didn't officially fall into the category of high risk."

Source (http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis/)

Now the authorities are stating that odds of infection from her and the air travel is minimal. I hope they are correct. To avoid adding to the hype out there at the moment (and wow.....this one is beyond much else I've seen in my life for that aspect of things) it is probably enough to say the CDC is running a full effort for tracking contacts related to the flight to Ohio and back.

I suppose there isn't too much else to say but that time will tell, and for better or worse, it shouldn't take long to know.

Published on Oct 4, 2014
America is going to be on lockdown soon so you must prepare yourself for civil unrest and violence and control on a level that no one has ever seen.

As we are coming into Flu Season while Ebola is running rampant in Africa and showing sure signs of a Major outbreak here in the United States.

We need to ask ourselves: When is the time to shelter in place?
The powers that be have been preparing for this for a long time.
They have their plan.
Now is the time.
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Connecticut declared in state of 'public health emergency,' prepares for quarantine
from Peak Crackers (http://www.zengardner.com/outbreak-medical-martial-law-starts-connecticut/)

10 October 2014
We warned a week ago of the various possibilities surrounding an Ebola outbreak in America, and today we get some degree of confirmation of a medical-based martial-law coming to the US.

Governor Dan Malloy has declared a Public Health Emergency in Connecticut, authorizing the "isolation of any individual reasonably believed to have been exposed to the Ebola virus."

Simply put, as we noted previously (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-03/during-ebola-pandemic-all-your-rights-would-essentially-be-meaningless), the State of Public Health Emergency allows bureaucrats to detain and force-vaccinate people without due process – despite not one single case being found in CT.

If there is a major Ebola pandemic in America, all of the liberties and the freedoms that you currently enjoy would be gone.




"I hereby declare a public health emergency for the State, pursuant to the Connecticut General Statutes Section 19a-131a, for the duration of the epidemic. Specifically, in accordance with Connecticut General Statutes Section 19a-131b, I authorize the Commissioner of Public Health to Order the isolation or quarantine, under conditions prescribed by the Commissioner of Public Health, of any individual or group of individuals whom the Commissioner reasonably believes to have been exposed to, infected with, or otherwise at risk of passing the Ebola virus."

Which he defended as a precautionary and preparatory measure in the event that the state has either a confirmed infection or has confirmed that someone at risk of developing the infection is residing in the state.

"We are taking this action today to ensure that we are prepared, in advance, to deal with any identified cases in which someone has been exposed to the virus or, worst case, infected,"[/i] said Governor Malloy.  "Our state's hospitals have been preparing for it, and public health officials from the state are working around the clock to monitor the situation.  Right now, we have no reason to think that anyone in the state is infected or at risk of infection.

But it is essential to be prepared and we need to have the authorities in place that will allow us to move quickly to protect public health, if and when that becomes necessary.  Signing this order will allow us to do that."


Translated... as we previously noted:

If there is a major Ebola pandemic in America, all of the liberties and the freedoms that you currently enjoy would be gone.

If government officials believe that you have the virus, federal law allows them to round you up and detain you "for such time and in such manner as may be reasonably necessary."

In addition, the CDC already has the authority to quarantine healthy Americans if they reasonably believe that they may become sick.

During an outbreak, the government can force you to remain isolated in your own home, or the government may forcibly take you to a treatment facility, a tent city, a sports stadium, an old military base or a camp.

You would not have any choice in the matter.

And you would be forced to endure any medical procedure mandated by the government.

That includes shots, vaccines and the drawing of blood.

During such a scenario, you can scream about your "rights" all that you want, but it won't do any good.

In case you are tempted to think that I am making this up, I want you to read what federal law actually says.  The following is 42 U.S.C. 264(d).  I have added bold for emphasis...


(1) Regulations prescribed under this section may provide for the apprehension and examination of any individual reasonably believed to be infected with a communicable disease in a qualifying stage and (A) to be moving or about to move from a State to another State; or (B) to be a probable source of infection to individuals who, while infected with such disease in a qualifying stage, will be moving from a State to another State. Such regulations may provide that if upon examination any such individual is found to be infected, he may be detained for such time and in such manner as may be reasonably necessary. For purposes of this subsection, the term "State" includes, in addition to the several States, only the District of Columbia.
(2) For purposes of this subsection, the term "qualifying stage", with respect to a communicable disease, means that such disease—
(A) is in a communicable stage; or
(B) is in a pre-communicable stage, if the disease would be likely to cause a public health emergency if transmitted to other individuals.

In addition, as I discussed above, the CDC already has the authority to isolate people that are not sick to see if they do become sick.  The following is what the CDC website says about this...

Quarantine is used to separate and restrict the movement of well persons who may have been exposed to a communicable disease to see if they become ill. These people may have been exposed to a disease and do not know it, or they may have the disease but do not show symptoms. Quarantine can also help limit the spread of communicable disease.
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And as Police State USA summarizes (http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/connecticut-state-of-public-health-emergency/).
Governor Dannel Malloy has declared Connecticut to be in a state of public health emergency, enabling the indefinite suspension of certain civil rights. State bureaucrats have been granted the broad authority to forcibly detain suspected sick people without due process. The declaration came preemptively, as Connecticut has not yet seen a single case of the virus it purports to stop.

Rationalizing his actions, the governor said in a statement: "We need to have the authorities in place that will allow us to move quickly to protect public health, if and when that becomes necessary. Signing this order will allow us to do that."

The recipient of most of the newly-imparted power is Jewel Mullen, Connecticut's Commissioner of the Department of Public Health (DPH). By having this measure in place, Commissioner Mullen explained, "we don't have to scramble in the event I need to take action."

The actions that authorities might want to "scramble" to use is the forcible quarantine of citizens — without charges or trial.

Connecticut General Statutes Section 19a-131a spells out the powers that may be used during the state of public health emergency:

"[While] the emergency exists [the state] may do any of the following: (1) Order the commissioner to implement all or a portion of the public health emergency response plan developed pursuant to section 19a-131g; (2) authorize the commissioner to isolate or quarantine persons in accordance with section 19a-131b; (3) order the commissioner to vaccinate persons in accordance with section 19a-131e; or (4) apply for and receive federal assistance."

As noted above, the Commissioner may issue an order of mass vaccination at his or her own discretion.
MORE>> (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-10/public-health-emergency-declared-connecticut-over-ebola-civil-rights-suspended-indef)

Okay folks. I have a BIG bee in my little bunny bonnet. In fact, it's not even a bumble bee. It's a B-52 class bomber bee the size of Mothman!

I do here something I very rarely ever do. I am largely retyping a commentary I shared on a site I work at this morning. However, try as I might, I really couldn't come up with a better way to say this...and said, it must be. Oh yes... it must be said.

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As you might have gathered by my initial posts about Ebola. It's a topic I have interest in and have for a few years. Its something I absolutely do NOT take lightly or easily for being present and in the wild across America. Even to a small degree. This bug IS one of the most deadly, vicious and unforgiving little bastards man has ever had the fatal misfortune of encountering.

Having said that? When, for the love of all that is common sense, is ENOUGH ENOUGH?!? I've had Fox running in the background at times this weekend and it's absurd! CNN got slammed on MH370 coverage and by goodness, they got off EASY from that obscenity, if anything. Fox and the others are WORSE about Ebola and this is totally out of hand.

We have had one. ONE imported case. We have had TWO ...TWO...contact cases from that index. Nothing more (yet) and no other import sources thus far. That MAY change...but then Russia MAY launch missiles on Mainland America tomorrow and monkeys MAY take flight out of my posterior at or around the same time. MAY is a MONTH, not a probability factor to make plans on or panic a nation over.

THIS IS ABSURD!

24/7 coverage..or very near it...and not a fact in sight!! That is what most of this amounts to by what I see at this point. Endless speculation, drawn from assumptions, built on presumption and all coming to supposition. In other words.....B.S. shoveled onto B.S. until it sits high enough to clear the table and be a News anchor. (sigh)

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On the other hand...Who remembers the fact the Fast and Furious docs so serious, an Attorney General announced his resignation ahead of, are due to be released by court order within a couple days? Golly......you'd almost have forgotten that entirely, huh? Then again..That was almost certainly the point of the exercise. Those documents, as ordered to be released by near force at this stage, likely have VERY damaging legal facts against some serving officials of this Government. Not that we'll be focused enough to notice...(cough...err..)

No No No..I don't suggest anything about Ebola being artificial or a conspiracy (Enough people are babbling that nonsense to fill books and asylums to overflowing). I'm simply noting that 'No crisis shall go to waste' and they are running THIS one so far BEYOND decent, that it has properly crossed into outright obscene. Truly obscene. Doom Porn and Panic Parties rolled into one.

Happy Halloween and oh...Yeah....like we've seen every year since this man took office (No kidding, look back..I'm dead serious) Our Holidays are ruined again, and there shall be NO permission from those who determine what we think now, to enjoy them on ANY level. Christmas must offend these people. They make DAMN sure America hasn't had a decent one since day 2008 (And Bush trashed that one pretty well with his Tarp garbage amid the bursting bubble).

Welcome to the new America, where we are always scared to death of something. If we don't have something? Media will helpfully supply a new item to fear without delay. After all, fear seems the only constant we can count on anymore.

Anyone else notice that forming as something of a pattern (secondary to events themselves) these days?

I have another story to share today, and it runs close to the lines of the above half-rant about the extreme tabloid coverage the media has been engaged in for Ebola since almost day 1. NBC has some problems.

QuoteSnyderman, a surgeon who spent 17 years as a medical correspondent for ABC News and has been at NBC since 2006, covered the Ebola outbreak in West Africa and worked briefly with Ashoka Mukpo, the cameraman who caught the virus and is now being treated in Nebraska. Upon returning to the United States, Snyderman and her crew voluntarily agreed to quarantine themselves for 21 days, the longest known incubation period for the disease. They have shown no symptoms.

Everyone may recall the NBC photographer/camera operator who contracted Ebola while covering the story in Africa. Well, then you may also recall the crew to be immediately around him (and possibly in contact with the same source he was) was to be in voluntary quarantine.

Dr. Nancy Snyderman was a member of that crew when the Cameraman was infected. The good Doctor is one of the talking head pieces at NBC to bark their stories on que and with the proper tone. I have a dim view of the "experts" hired by media to begin with, having known a couple that do that contract work, to view what gets hired for it (I wouldn't hire who I've known to lecture a grade school class on tying one's shoes). However, Doctor Ebola took this a step too far, IMO.

'Quarantine for thee but none for me! ! '

QuoteYet New Jersey health officials ruled that her quarantine should be mandatory after Snyderman and her crew were spotted getting takeout food from a New Jersey restaurant.

NBC won't give details about who actually went into the restaurant, or even how many of its employees are being quarantined. Snyderman issued a statement saying "members of our group" violated their pledge.

Source (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6cc3153185b7428f9beed404a3f4a0e2/nbcs-snyderman-faces-credibility-issues)

Oh golly... they "violated their pledge". I see... Is that how they see it? Okay...then I suppose we'll say an AIDS infected person knowingly having unprotected sex with another just 'dodged their social responsibility'. Err..wait..too late. That can already be termed a proper crime (http://www.aidsmap.com/HIV-transmission-and-the-criminal-law/page/1255092/) and prosecuted that way.

I don't suggest this arrogant excuse for "The Media Elite" be simply fired. How do the employees who simply showed up to work their shift and go home that night feel? How do they view this woman putting her own need for a hamburger above their right to live another day, week or month? Is it fair that someone with an outsized view of their own importance, willfully endanger the lives of other people over a matter of a few days difference for isolation? They SOUND clean....not being symptomatic yet. SOUNDS...isn't CONFIRMED tho and when DEATH is the price of "oops?", I think this good Doctor needs to become a good INMATE at the local jail, in isolation and for the remainder of her 21 days.

IF....ONE PERSON she and her crew exposed becomes ill and confirmed with Ebola? She should stand charges with her crew for 1st degree negligent homicide (or attempted, if they survive). Period. No Questions. This 'Worship thyself' to the point of reckless disregard to the very lives of anyone else is over the top.

Just my two cents...and to see this happen from the very media working to scare everyone into a tizzy is just too much.

NBC = Never Been Correct ....and they proved it for the ages, with this one.

Quote from: Wrabbit2000 on October 20, 2014, 04:56:19 PM
Having said that? When, for the love of all that is common sense, is ENOUGH ENOUGH?!? I've had Fox running in the background at times this weekend and it's absurd! CNN got slammed on MH370 coverage and by goodness, they got off EASY from that obscenity, if anything. Fox and the others are WORSE about Ebola and this is totally out of hand.

Ebola is doom porn.  It's pretty much a complete non-event.  It's the usual apocalyptic "happening," being promoted by the bored, the nihilistic, and the otherwise malevolent, for the purposes of stirring the uncritical sheep up into a lather of hysteria.

We're talking about a virus which is non-airborne, and only spreads via personal contact.  Comparitively speaking, this is not a highly contagious disease.  The bubonic plague was airborne, and went through entire villages and cities.  Granted, the mortality rate is a bit scary, but that's pretty much the only thing about it that is.  You've got to get it before it can kill you, and you've got better odds of winning next week's $20 million lottery than getting a visit from Ebola-Chan.

So, yeah.  Doom on if you want, but recognise that you're only doing that because you enjoy it.  Ebola doesn't legitimately represent the apocalypse, or anything remotely close.  About the worst I can see it doing, is maybe helping to alleviate America's homeless problem slightly, (and when I say slightly, I mean it; as in, well under 5,000 total domestic cases in the US, and probably under 1,000) and also providing virologists with a stimulating intellectual puzzle; but that's about it.

Quote from: petrus4 on October 20, 2014, 08:47:04 PM
It's pretty much a complete non-event.

There are many thousands of people who have lost love ones in the past few months that would take very serious issue with that description of this disease.  A virus can mutate to a LESS dangerous form as easily as MORE dangerous though. I do wonder at this stage if this hasn't subtly shifted in it's makeup to being a bit less than it has been, elsewhere.

QuoteWe're talking about a virus which is non-airborne, and only spreads via personal contact.

As long as you're not within 3 physical feet of someone showing symptoms and coughing, sneezing or otherwise spewing their fluids into the air in short bursts.

It can be carried by the air. It simply doesn't live or sustain itself there, like the flu. By contrast, HIV/AIDS is contagious too, but neither airborne or carried sufficiently to cross the air and infect, even in that short distance. That distinction always seems to get lost somewhere.

QuoteComparitively speaking, this is not a highly contagious disease.  The bubonic plague was airborne, and went through entire villages and cities.

Airborne redefines it entirely and so plague has zero relevant comparison to this. Ebola contagion factor seems to vary significantly by outbreak instance, too

If you spend time reading the summary field reports and overall data on each outbreak (there are not so many that this can't be done in an evening, BTW) it becomes clear that Ebola in general is a tricky little sucker for how it isn't the same behavior every time and then vanishes before anyone gets a good look at it in action (until now).

QuoteEbola doesn't legitimately represent the apocalypse, or anything remotely close.

I never suggested it did, here or anywhere else for the couple years I have been writing about Ebola for different stories (Usually Kenya related). Even at average mortality rates for Ebola and following a mutation to airborne form.....we'd be looking at around 70% attrition of the population. 30% would remain....or in this nation? Roughly 100 million survivors. Hardly an apocalypse, from even worst case and wild scenarios, eh? 

QuoteAbout the worst I can see it doing, is maybe helping to alleviate America's homeless problem slightly

Ouch... I'm somewhat surprised anyone even went there for suggesting what segments wouldn't be so bad to see die in one of the hardest ways to go, short of burning alive.


It seems this isn't (at this stage) anything like potential suggested it could have been. it's not over..but I will agree this isn't the thing it was prudent to first consider possible. Thank goodness for it, and it's a thing to be happy about. Perhaps the only thing in this.

Quote from: Wrabbit2000 on October 21, 2014, 12:38:32 AM
It seems this isn't (at this stage) anything like potential suggested it could have been.

And there in lies the apathy...

Legionaires Disease, SARS, H1N1, Bird Flu, Spanish Flu. Asian Flu, Swine Flu, Russian Flu.... one pandemic scare after another... yet not one of them ever comes close to even a percentage of what we were told to expect...

Heck even Bubonic Plague is making a comeback  just google   "The Return of the Black Death"

Quote from: zorgon on October 21, 2014, 01:09:53 AM
Heck even Bubonic Plague is making a comeback  just google   "The Return of the Black Death"

lol... No kidding on that. The media go absolutely bananas about almost anything, anymore. It really has gone beyond silly and into the counterproductive or outright harmful. Of course, Ebola has been a bit unique. This was the first time in it's history that it got into an urban population of any kind, anywhere. Then, the first time it crossed into the U.S. in our history. Some big things there to give attention to, initially anyway. At least I have.

I keep the global incident outbreak tracker (http://outbreaks.globalincidentmap.com/home.php) around and have checked it about once a week for the last couple years now, for that reason. It tends to show what is actually happening, while MSM just screams about skies falling and doom coming in the next 24hr news cycle (So stay tuned!!).

After all, you mention the  Plague? Why....there is an potential outbreak of that, by some standards anyway, in Flagstaff, Arizona. As we speak! (hops around excitedly)

QuoteWhen a number of fleas infected with the plague was found in northern Flagstaff, it warranted some concern.

The disease is the same one that wiped out an estimated 60 percent of Europe's population in the last millennium and barely left enough people alive to bury the dead. But scientists and public-health officials say modern amenities and advances have left the bug that carries the plague a minor threat to most Americans.

The bacterium, Yersinia pestis, persisted for centuries, causing three major outbreaks: the Justinian plague, the Great Plague and the Modern Plague. The last one began in China in the 1860s and spread to port cities around the world, including in the United States. It's still present in today's rodent populations.

Source (http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona/2014/09/25/plague-positive-flea-test-northern-arizona-abrk/16200337/)

Heck of a world, isn't it? (I swear, if someone picks up the Flagstaff story for a real threat, I'll beat 'em with a carrot! It happens regularly enough. lol...)

Quote from: Wrabbit2000 on October 21, 2014, 12:38:32 AM
Ouch... I'm somewhat surprised anyone even went there for suggesting what segments wouldn't be so bad to see die in one of the hardest ways to go, short of burning alive.

It wasn't a statement that was intended seriously.

It's a miracle I tell ya! A true miracle! The 2nd nurse lives! In fact, she is declared free of the Ebola virus!

QuoteCOLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — The family of a Texas nurse who flew to Ohio and was diagnosed with Ebola says doctors no longer detect the virus in her body.

A family statement released Wednesday through a media consultant says officials at Emory University Hospital and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention couldn't detect Ebola in Amber Vinson as of Tuesday evening. Doctors usually do two tests a day apart before saying they can't detect the virus. It's unclear how many tests Vinson has had.

Source (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a27ea3a320374fd0a217736d2b3781a1/family-doctors-dont-detect-ebola-nurses-body)

Now why is it I'm not happy? This should be GOOD news right? Err..... HOW long as she had any form of primary care? HOW long has she had the intensive care at Emory? So...HOW long did it take from being a deadly infection threat to being free to walk out of isolation a cured person?

I'm starting to wonder about their test accuracy, to be honest here. This doesn' t track with the Africa outbreak of the "same" bug. Not well at all. Africans are dropping dead and spreading it like a good rumor while Americans are, thus far, 100% cured to the last case handled. No exception. No bad outcomes. The only one to die came here from elsewhere and caught it elsewhere.

I smell a rat the size of a friggen poodle in this woodpile. 0% mortality rate vs. well north of 50% documented in this specific outbreak elsewhere? 0....50? Hey...wait a minute here, I say... What gives?? We have medicine. Yes. Indeed we do. We aren't Buck Rogers to Africa's mud hut hospitals. There is a big difference....but it isn't a difference worthy of taking a world class killer down to something with no terminal concern whatever.

......and if, by some chance we DO have medical technology *THAT* superior to Africa? God help us when that fact occurs to THEM on a large scale. Their next thought may well be that we didn't JUST invent all this technology, nor did we JUST have a thought to using it for hemorrhagic fever. In other words......If our tech is that good, then there are legion of bodies piled on another continent which never needed to be, but for sharing the tech we somehow have in this. They MIGHT even be a tad pissed off when that full realization sinks in .... assuming that is how we explain a 100% total success rate, where American medicine hasn't even held a candle to it when taken over THERE to use.

Again...a rat the size of poodle I do declare. That is what I think we smell here. We're not THAT "God-Like" compared to other nations. This is getting silly in that way.

All the details aren't out yet, but I imagine they will be in short order....

A doctor in New York City has been confirmed with Ebola. He's been back in the US from working in Guinea for 10 or so days and is described as 'very sick' at Bellevue Hospital, where he checked in at 103 degree fever. He'd just been out across taxis, a subway and doing something at a bowling alley.

(throws papers into air)

There goes containment. He's basically the bad version of symptomatic, in the worst place that could happen, right across mass transit. Now we'll really see if this bug is as contagious as the books say it can be, or not. Obviously the hope is not but I'd say the panic will spread with NO problem at all. The headline panic seems to have already begun.

QuoteEven as the authorities worked to confirm that Mr. Spencer was infected with Ebola, it emerged that he traveled from Manhattan to Brooklyn on the subway on Wednesday night, when he went to a bowling alley and then took a taxi home.

The next morning, he reported having a temperature of 103 degrees, raising questions about his health while he was out in public.

Questions indeed.... Was he trying to replay scenes from 12 Monkeys or something? Talk about dense population to be coughing and being sick in.

QuoteA health care worker at the hospital said that Dr. Spencer seemed very sick and it was unclear to the medical staff why he had not gone to the hospital earlier, since his fever was high, at 103.

Dr. Spencer is a fellow of international emergency medicine at NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital/Columbia University Medical Center, and an instructor in clinical medicine at Columbia University.

Source (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/nyregion/craig-spencer-is-tested-for-ebola-virus-at-bellevue-hospital-in-new-york-city.html)

An instructor of what, precisely? What not to do? The article mentions this was another who said he'd self quarantine. So much for that whole honor system B.S..

New York could use a cleansing   :P

Quote from: zorgon on October 24, 2014, 03:29:43 AM
New York could use a cleansing   :P

I don't know about a cleansing, but I can be certain New York City will suffer a full blown outbreak. Oh..not Ebola, perhaps. Time will tell on that, and the other line of cases doesn't look strong for it happening here. 'Fear-Bola' will spread like the wind and infect a large % of the city tho, I am sure.  ;)

I did just notice this cross the wires though...

QuoteCDC Director Tom Frieden on NYC Ebola patient: 'Dr. Craig Spencer is one of many heroes, protecting the US and Africa. Our thoughts and all support are with him and his care team' - @DrFriedenCDC

It doesn't have more source yet, as it's a quote coming off a statement being given somewhere (how that usually appears). A hero eh? The guy to spend his last symptomatic evenings painting the town and having a blast around people with no clue ..after he apparently said he'd self quarantine?

I wouldn't call the guy a hero. He's the example of self absorbed, self centered excess where killing others by sheer negligence and reckless action doesn't seem to matter...as long as the 'self' is happy. :(

Maybe our nation does deserve a cleansing when those held as leaders and kept in place to lead have statements like that to share with a public reacting to the news.

I guess Typhoid Mary must have had some supporters..somewhere too? She was released once to spread more before being locked away forever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKofnVkUwBA

  Have a question..Have heard that the ebola virus can be spread by sexual contact well past the 21 day
limit.Has anyone heard of babies being born with the
virus? Would they be immune? Could they be carriers? Thanks, in advance..
    Rubicon

Now why is it I'm not happy? This should be GOOD news right? Err..... HOW long as she had any form of primary care? HOW long has she had the intensive care at Emory? So...HOW long did it take from being a deadly infection threat to being free to walk out of isolation a cured person?






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Quote from: 08rubicon on October 24, 2014, 08:35:48 PM
  Have a question..Have heard that the ebola virus can be spread by sexual contact well past the 21 day
limit.

What I read was that the virus has been detected in sperm more than 40 (I think) days, but that was in a sample stored in a refrigerator.

Quote from: Wrabbit2000 on October 24, 2014, 03:57:04 PM
I don't know about a cleansing, but I can be certain New York City will suffer a full blown outbreak.

Ah yes  New York....

Operation: Big City
U.S Army Tests Bio-Weapons on U.S. Citizens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciR6BWXjmrA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciR6BWXjmrA

Sierra Leone shuts down US Bioweapons Lab:

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/2014/07/24/sierra-leone-orders-us-bioweapons-lab-at-centre-of-ebola-outbreak-to-be-relocated-tulane-university-to-stop-ebola-testing/

In a sign that the Sierra Leone goverment has begun to fight back against the orchestrated ebola outbreak, The Ministry of Health and Sanitation announced yesterday it had ordered Tulane University to stop ebola testing and the US bioweapons laboratory at Kenema to be relocated in response to growing anger from locals.

The sensational announcement — posted on the health ministry's facebook page — strongly suggests the notion that the diagnosis of Ebola using Tulane University kits at Kenema have been found to be  false or faked.

The Kenema bioweapons lab is the only testing centre for ebola in Sierra Leona and holds the highest number of victims. Tulane University conducts bioweapons research on behalf of the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID).

The Sierra Leone government said the US bioweapons lab in Kenema hospital is to be  moved another location "as requested by health workers and the people of Kenema." In addition, all new confirmed cases are be admitted to Kailahun hospital, which means that the US bioweapons lab at Kenema has been effectively closed down.

See link for whole article....

Ministry of Health Facebook entry:

This is the full text posted on facebook:

Ministry of Health and Sanitation, Sierra Leone


16 hours ago

Ebola outbreak update: As of today, 23rd July 2014, we have 108 cumulative number of survivors, 427 confirmed Ebola cases and 144 Ebola confirmed deaths. 65 patients are currently admitted at the Ebola treatment centers in Kenema and Kailahun. The Ministry of Health & Sanitization and the World Health Organization have established a dedicated Ebola Emergency Operations Center (EOC) at the WHO... Country Office in Freetown. The EOC is co-Directed by the Minister of Health, Ms. Miata Kargbo and the WHO Representative for Sierra Leone, Dr. Jacob Mufunda and consists of leaders and partners involved in our fight against Ebola. The EOC will serve as the Sierra Leone National Central Command and Control Center for Outbreak Response activities and meets every day. The EOC members under the leadership of the Honourable Minister of Health and Sanitation unanimously decided at the July 22nd 2014 meeting that the following actions be effected immediately: • That all new confirmed cases be admitted at the Treatment Center in Kailahun whiles the Ministry and its partners work on relocating the Treatment Center in Kenema out of the Kenema Government Hospital Premise to another location as requested by health workers and the people of Kenema • The existing patients at the treatment center in Kenema continue to be cared for at that center with enhanced Infection Prevention Control and nursing care • More health personnel be trained in Infection Prevention Control and nursing care • Tulane University to stop Ebola testing during the current Ebola outbreak • Center for Disease Control (CDC) to officially send their findings and recommendations from the assessment of the laboratory and treatment center in Kenema • The Ministry of Health and Sanitation to proceed with the procurement of three vehicles currently in country for contact tracing and surveillance The EOC wishes the general public and all partners working in the healthcare sector to know that Dr. Shiekh Umar Khan is still alive and responding to treatment contrary to social media report of his demise.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ministry-of-Health-and-Sanitation-Sierra-Leone/281064805403702?hc_location=timeline

Quote from: spacemaverick on October 24, 2014, 10:23:48 PM
Sierra Leone shuts down US Bioweapons Lab:

QuoteThe Sierra Leone government said the US bioweapons lab in Kenema hospital is to be  moved another location "as requested by health workers and the people of Kenema."

Hmmm so MOVED not actually SHUT DOWN

Interesting

Quote from: spacemaverick on October 24, 2014, 10:26:40 PMThe EOC wishes the general public and all partners working in the healthcare sector to know that Dr. Shiekh Umar Khan is still alive and responding to treatment contrary to social media report of his demise.

So social media LIES?   :o

Say it ain't so?

::)

Why would the USA have a bioweapons lab in Sierra Leone? ::)

Quote from: ArMaP on October 24, 2014, 09:01:23 PM
What I read was that the virus has been detected in sperm more than 40 (I think) days, but that was in a sample stored in a refrigerator.

I found that here with lab data and details supporting it. This was the result for a quick summary though.

QuoteAs indicated by RT-PCR and ELISA antigen results from blood (data not shown), the shedding of EBOV in saliva corresponded almost exactly to the period of viremia, with the last positive saliva specimen noted at day 8 after disease onset. In contrast, specimens of breast milk and semen were found to be culture positive and RT-PCR positive at days 15 and 40 after disease onset, respectively, when EBOV was already cleared from the blood.

Source: Journal of Infectious Diseases (http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S142.full)

QuotePeople remain infectious as long as their blood and body fluids, including semen and breast milk, contain the virus. Men who have recovered from the disease can still transmit the virus through their semen for up to 7 weeks after recovery from illness.

Source: World Health Organization (http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/)

That gives a bit of context. This is a resilient sucker, even on the way out.