This was brought to My attention. Yeah, not a film glitch or paredoila (sp?):
(http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mer/gallery/all/1/m/3720/1M458433044EFFCEQKP2955M2M1.JPG)
Lest any miss it, look for a circle with a four-pointed thing inside. Towards the right, above the center line.
A very clear picture indeed. This is the most clear I have ever seen. Certainly looks like something that was not naturally made IMHO.
There has been some speculation that it's an imprint of one of the testing devices... But no One can find anything that matches that pattern.
I does look like something pressed the sand, but I don't remember seeing any thing looking like the mark on the rover's arm.
It could be something off the tracks/wheels that caused the imprint. It is almost certainly caused by a screw.
(https://img0.fastenal.com/productimages/0149182_Zinc_PhillipsUndercutHead_MachineScrew_Full.jpg)
SOURCE: https://www.fastenal.com/web/products/details/0149179
I think it could have been the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer. :)
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA05113
I disagree, Pim. First, the four arms are not square. They are offset a bit. Second, a screw imprint would not leave a circle that is a rim, even on both sides thereof. In other words, it would leave a depression on the inside but not a flat plateau with a neat depression on the outside.
Quote from: ArMaP on October 14, 2014, 02:18:59 PM
I think it could have been the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer. :)
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA05113
There is nothing in that pic that resembles the configuration We see in the image, and why would that instrument be pressed against the surface (may be a good explanation and I just don't grasp how it functions...).
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 14, 2014, 02:21:59 PM
There is nothing in that pic that resembles the configuration We see in the image, and why would that instrument be pressed against the surface (may be a good explanation and I just don't grasp how it functions...).
So, you don't think that this (I rotated the image 180º)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/PIA05113_1.jpg)
could have made this?
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1M458433044EFFCEQKP2955M2M1_1.jpg)
As for how it functions, you can see it being used on here (http://starryskies.com/solar_system/mars/spirit/xray01.html).
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 14, 2014, 02:19:09 PM
I disagree, Pim. First, the four arms are not square. They are offset a bit.
The offset often happens when you use a screwdriver which slightly deforms the screw. ArMaP is definitely right unless the MArtians also have X Ray Spectrometers. ::)
It looks like the outline of a piston or crank.
looks to be a match, Armap 8)
Quote from: ArMaP on October 15, 2014, 01:47:21 AM
So, you don't think that this (I rotated the image 180º)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/PIA05113_1.jpg)
could have made this?
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/1M458433044EFFCEQKP2955M2M1_1.jpg)
As for how it functions, you can see it being used on here (http://starryskies.com/solar_system/mars/spirit/xray01.html).
Actually... I do. I was looking at the whole setup and did not see that small area with the screw. It even has the offset. (But looks intentional and NOT created by a screwdriver on a squared inset.)
Thanks, ArMaP.
I wanted to have the first screw on Mars but it seems I've been beaten to it. Maybe I'll have to settle for a Clinton.
ETA: Yes Pimander you were right, it is an imprint of a screw, you were right and I was wrong! :P ::)
Technically it was a screw and the backplate. Guess You need a backpat. Good Pim, good Pim. Feel better now?
ArMaPs picture seems to be a 95% match, but I have a problem with the 'ring' imprint around the 'screw bit'.
In the Mars pik, the 'circle rim' has to defined edges, but judging from the photo of the Earth 'screw' thing, it should have only left the one 'rim imprint'
Am I making sense?
Quote from: Sinny on October 15, 2014, 05:30:41 AM
Am I making sense?
Maybe. :)
Could you rephrase that?
Quote from: Amaterasu on October 15, 2014, 04:59:23 AM
Technically it was a screw and the backplate. Guess You need a backpat. Good Pim, good Pim. Feel better now?
Thank you. ;D
From the other place (ssshht)
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/or543dce17.jpg)
?
From: http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/124981/snapshots/420909
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2B2PmRIQAECpV8.jpg:large)
There's a new variety of rock on Mars... It's "blurry schist..." You can find this blurry rock naturally in any area that appears to have the remains of shattered ruins.
As I said on the other forum where I saw this, that panorama was made with photos from several sols. In sol 72 we can see that out focus thing (part of the rover) but not the part of the ground between that area and the rover, so the person that made the panorama used photos from a different sol for that area, but, apparently, there aren't any photos of the area with the out of focus object without the object, which makes sense, seeing that it's part of the rover and always appears in 360º panoramas.
As someone that makes panoramas like that I have seen that happening several times. :)
Edit: you can see the photos with the out of focus object here (http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?s=72&camera=MAST_).
Quote from: Amaterasu on November 09, 2014, 09:27:21 PM
From: http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/124981/snapshots/420909
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2B2PmRIQAECpV8.jpg:large)
There's a new variety of rock on Mars... It's "blurry schist..." You can find this blurry rock naturally in any area that appears to have the remains of shattered ruins.
And once again an object is obscured...what is it they don't want us to see???
Quote from: spacemaverick on November 09, 2014, 10:16:11 PM
And once again an object is obscured...what is it they don't want us to see???
What object was obscured, a piece of the rover? ???
Quote from: ArMaP on November 09, 2014, 10:22:48 PM
What object was obscured, a piece of the rover? ???
Looking at the picture I do not see where it is attached to the rover. Something is obscured.
Quote from: spacemaverick on November 09, 2014, 10:29:04 PM
Looking at the picture I do not see where it is attached to the rover. Something is obscured.
Did you follow the link
Amaterasu posted above the image? That image is part of a panorama made with several photos from several different days (or sols).
So, although something is missing, it's the part of the rover that the person that made the panorama chose to replace with photos of the ground taken on a different sol.
You can see the individual photos from sol 72 on this page (http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?s=72&camera=MAST_).
PS: I have several panoramas made by me on that Gigapan site. :)
Panoramas are notorious for blurring objects. Nature of the beast!
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on November 09, 2014, 11:05:50 PM
Panoramas are notorious for blurring objects. Nature of the beast!
That never happened to me. ???
At last, disclosure!
ArMaP and Sarge agree that "we" have cameras
that have resolution that can detect a screw head on Mars. :P
However, "we" cannot "see" 'things' on the Moon,
let alone losing the debris field from Fukushima. :P
Thanks for the enlightenment, I think. :P
Quote from: thorfourwinds on November 10, 2014, 12:19:28 AM
ArMaP and Sarge agree that "we" have cameras
that have resolution that can detect a screw head on Mars. :P
Anyone that knows the Curiosity's (in this case) cameras knows that it has the "Mars Hand Lens Imager" (MAHLI), a camera made to make close-up photos, with a resolution of, at most, 13.9 micrometers per pixel, so yes, it can show a screw head on Mars.
QuoteHowever, "we" cannot "see" 'things' on the Moon, let alone losing the debris field from Fukushima. :P
Because we don't have, as far as I know, any camera like that on the Moon. As for your Fukushima fetish, I don't know what debris field you are talking about.
QuoteThanks for the enlightenment, I think. :P
I think that, in this subject, you need much more. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on November 10, 2014, 12:13:40 AM
That never happened to me. ???
What I meant that some portions of the panaoramas have blurred objects in them.
Quote
ArMaP and Sarge agree that "we" have cameras
that have resolution that can detect a screw head on Mars.
I don't remember agreeing to anything :o
Quote
(MAHLI), a camera made to make close-up photos, with a resolution of, at most, 13.9 micrometers per pixel
Aristarchus, Endymion, Tsiolkovsky would look a little different if there was one of these on the Moon.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on November 09, 2014, 11:05:50 PM
Panoramas are notorious for blurring objects. Nature of the beast!
And that's why just that object is blurry, part of it sticks out of the blur, and the right edge is NOT blurred, but clear manipulation... Go zoom in on it in the panorama. This is NOT "nature of the beast." It was deliberately manipulated to obscure something.
and you know that how?....
what part of the rover is blurred?...
maybe and emblem? a serial number? a picture of ET?...
::)
you know, after taking a closer look,,,they are trying to hide something. What I have know idea.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on November 10, 2014, 12:56:27 AM
Aristarchus, Endymion, Tsiolkovsky would look a little different if there was one of these on the Moon.
Seeing that the camera acts as a microscope I suppose all the craters would look the same. :)
Quote from: ArMaP on November 10, 2014, 01:25:11 AM
Seeing that the camera acts as a microscope I suppose all the craters would look the same. :)
My point exactly ;)
Yeah, I can't see any rational explanation for this other than that something is being hidden.
It's almost like They figure that since We bought such things as Sandy Hook and the "ebola" psyop, We would not question that.
Quote from: Amaterasu on November 10, 2014, 01:06:11 AM
And that's why just that object is blurry, part of it sticks out of the blur, and the right edge is NOT blurred, but clear manipulation...
Sure it's manipulation, it's a panorama made from many photos, not a real photo. And the object is blurry because it's out of focus, as it's much closer than the background and the camera is focused on the background.
QuoteIt was deliberately manipulated to obscure something.
Yes, to obscure part of the rover's robotic arm. ::)
Did anyone looked at the original photos on this page (http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?s=72&camera=MAST_)? The panorama is made with those photos (besides photos from other sol(s).
Quote from: Amaterasu on November 10, 2014, 01:29:30 AM
Yeah, I can't see any rational explanation for this other than that something is being hidden.
That's because you are looking for some hidden meaning that isn't there.
If you put a finger 10 cm in front of your face and look at something on the other side of the room the finger appears blurred, in the same way a camera on the rover, while focused on the ground some metres away, will show something some centimetres in front of the camera as blurred, as it will be out of focus.
QuoteIt's almost like They figure that since We bought such things as Sandy Hook and the "ebola" psyop, We would not question that.
You should mostly question your own opinions. ::)
Quote from: ArMaP on November 10, 2014, 01:32:38 AM
Sure it's manipulation, it's a panorama made from many photos, not a real photo. And the object is blurry because it's out of focus, as it's much closer than the background and the camera is focused on the background.
It's been manually manipulated, ArMaP. Zoom in on it in the panorama. Look at the right side.
QuoteYes, to obscure part of the rover's robotic arm. ::)
Uh... No.
QuoteDid anyone looked at the original photos on this page (http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/?s=72&camera=MAST_)? The panorama is made with those photos (besides photos from other sol(s).
I did. And yes I see the blurry thing... Question is...WHY the blocky manipulation to the right?
Quote from: ArMaP on November 10, 2014, 01:39:07 AM
That's because you are looking for some hidden meaning that isn't there.
Yup. You're right. ::)
QuoteIf you put a finger 10 cm in front of your face and look at something on the other side of the room the finger appears blurred, in the same way a camera on the rover, while focused on the ground some metres away, will show something some centimetres in front of the camera as blurred, as it will be out of focus.
You should mostly question your own opinions. ::)
ArMaP, I grasp that principle. But this has CLEAR evidence of sloppy coverup on the right side especially. WHY?
Quote from: Amaterasu on November 10, 2014, 01:49:25 AM
It's been manually manipulated, ArMaP. Zoom in on it in the panorama. Look at the right side.
Probably because the idea of the panorama was to show the ground, not the rover.
QuoteUh... No.
The out of focus object is part of the rover's robotic arm.
QuoteI did. And yes I see the blurry thing... Question is...WHY the blocky manipulation to the right?
On the original photo?
QuoteYup. You're right. ::)
I think I am. ;D
QuoteArMaP, I grasp that principle. But this has CLEAR evidence of sloppy coverup on the right side especially. WHY?
On the original photos?
Maybe this panorama will help.
http://www.gigapan.com/gigapans/163589
Quote from: ArMaP on November 10, 2014, 02:03:14 AM
On the original photos?
I could not find the image on the right. Perhaps You can?
Quote from: Amaterasu on November 10, 2014, 03:11:13 AM
I could not find the image on the right. Perhaps You can?
The out of focus object is made from two photos, this one (http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00072/mcam/0072MR0005610180103643E01_DXXX.jpg) on the left and this one (http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00072/mcam/0072MR0005610190103644E01_DXXX.jpg) on the right.
As you can see parts of the right side photo were replaced with parts from the ground, from photos taken in a different sol.
I may try to make my own version of that panorama. :)
Quote from: thorfourwinds on November 10, 2014, 12:19:28 AM
ArMaP and Sarge agree that "we" have cameras
that have resolution that can detect a screw head on Mars. :P
Well Zorgon had the first Spring on Mars years ago :P
While most people see pictures like THIS
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Opportunity_Sol_115/1N138388241EFF2700P1994L0M1.JPG)
We get to see pictures like THIS
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45keith_laney/04images/Mars/Opportunity/1P156949170RAD4075P2357L257C1.JPG)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45keith_laney/04images/Mars/Opportunity/1P158365677RAD40CLP2582L257C1.JPG)
So my Spring trumps your screw inpression :P
QuoteHowever, "we" cannot "see" 'things' on the Moon,
Well there is THIS one 8)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS16_116_18603/Gears001c.png)
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Moon_Images_A15.html
Quotelet alone losing the debris field from Fukushima. :P
Don't worry about that... that is how we evolve into the Grays ;D
Quote from: zorgon on November 10, 2014, 10:51:39 AM
Well Zorgon had the first Spring on Mars years ago :P
We get to see pictures like THIS
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45keith_laney/04images/Mars/Opportunity/1P156949170RAD4075P2357L257C1.JPG)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45keith_laney/04images/Mars/Opportunity/1P158365677RAD40CLP2582L257C1.JPG)
What is this?
Quote from: Sinny on November 10, 2014, 12:37:36 PM
What is this?
The heat-shield that protected the craft during descent.
Quote from: ArMaP on November 10, 2014, 09:25:07 AM
The out of focus object is made from two photos, this one (http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00072/mcam/0072MR0005610180103643E01_DXXX.jpg) on the left and this one (http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/00072/mcam/0072MR0005610190103644E01_DXXX.jpg) on the right.
As you can see parts of the right side photo were replaced with parts from the ground, from photos taken in a different sol.
I may try to make my own version of that panorama. :)
The image of the whole is made of three images. I could easily see the first two. The third is the image that would have the obvious editing unblurred in the right.
Quote from: Amaterasu on November 11, 2014, 01:14:22 AM
The image of the whole is made of three images. I could easily see the first two. The third is the image that would have the obvious editing unblurred in the right.
Sorry, I'm not sure if I understand what you mean.
Do you mean that the blurred object in the panorama is made of three images?
If that's what you're saying then you are wrong, as the object is made from the two images I posted, as you can see below.
The first frame of the animation shows the first photo, the leftmost part of the blurred object; the second frame shows the second photo (manually) superimposed on the first one, and you can see that the rightmost part of the first photo was replaced with the leftmost part of the second photo; the third frame shows part of the blurred object superimposed (manually) on the second photo, and you can see that the blurred object is made of those two original photos I posted some posts back.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/armap/ma54616af2.gif)
PS: if you were not saying that the blurred object is made by three photos then ignore the above. ;D
PPS: I sent a Gigapan message to the person that made the panorama, and he/she answered that what he/she uses is Photoshop, including for the colour adjustments.
Ok, You've clarified. Thanks.