Pegasus Research Consortium

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2014/10/unmanned-nasa-rocket-explodes-launch-2014102822268423719.html


An unmanned NASA rocket has exploded seconds after lift-off from a commercial launch pad in the US state of Virginia.

The Antares rocket launched on Tuesday was on a mission to supply the International Space Station when it exploded and crashed back to earth, a NASA TV broadcast showed.

The 14-storey rocket, built and launched by Orbital Sciences Corp, bolted off its seaside launch pad at the Wallops Flight Facility. It exploded seconds later.

The cause of the accident was not immediately known, said NASA mission commentator Dan Huot.

NASA said there were no injuries.

"This has been a lot of hard work to get to this point," Orbital Sciences Executive Vice President Frank Culbertson told the launch team just before liftoff.

The Launch had been delayed one day after a boat sailed into a restricted safety zone beneath the rocket's intended flight path.

Virginia-based Orbital Sciences is one of two companies hired by NASA to fly cargo to the station after the space shuttles were retired. Tuesday's planned flight was to be the third of eight under the company's $1.9 billion contract with NASA.

Antares carried a Cygnus spacecraft packed with 5,055 pounds (2,293 kg) of supplies, science experiments and equipment, a 15 percent increase over previous missions.

Cygnus was to loiter in orbit until November 2, then fly itself to the station so astronauts can use a robotic crane to snare the capsule and attach it to a berthing port. The station, a $100 billion research laboratory owned and operated by 15 nations, flies about 260 miles (418 km) above Earth.

Video footage of the rocket explosion -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHMmMgdcOSU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHMmMgdcOSU

Zero Hedge wonders if Russia may have had a hand?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-28/unmanned-nasa-rocket-explodes-shortly-after-takes

Yeah good old NASA  Seems they have forgotten everything the claim they knew.  And these guys went to the MOON? Really?  Well here is the latest test of a moon lander...

I think it's crying   :o


NASA Morpheus Lander Crash and Explosions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM1wjs5nWXQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM1wjs5nWXQ

I guess that is what happens when you turn NASA into a community outreach and social services agency. They just don't do their real mission very well for long after.

I hope the neglect toward them changes before the experience core hits the doors and leaves. Getting them back may simply not happen. :(

Quote from: zorgon on October 29, 2014, 10:29:46 AM
Well here is the latest test of a moon lander...

That's not the latest test, in fact I think it was the first untethered test, in 2012.

In this case, if the rocket was "built and launched by Orbital Sciences Corp", why are we talking about NASA's failures?

Quote from: ArMaP on October 29, 2014, 01:51:56 PM
why are we talking about NASA's failures?

Probably because this is one of them. I don't say it's a shared thing. They do.

Quote"While NASA is disappointed that Orbital Sciences' third contracted resupply mission to the International Space Station was not successful today, we will continue to move forward toward the next attempt once we fully understand today's mishap. The crew of the International Space Station is in no danger of running out of food or other critical supplies.

Source (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/wallops/home/#.VFD7ffmjNcY)

That statement was made this morning by "NASA's Human Exploration and Operations Directorate" and their Associate Administrator. If they don't want blame, don't assume the place to take it, I'd say.

There is more than one 'we' in that and a very clear statement of shared goals, efforts and in this case? Failure. The launch facility and physical resources are also a NASA property and run in cooperation with and at NASA direction.

QuoteIn partnership with NASA, the Virginia Commercial Space Flight Authority and Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport (MARS) is proud to offer full-service launch facilities for commercial, government, scientific and academic users both foreign and domestic.

Our mission is to provide low-cost, safe, reliable, "schedule friendly" space access. Today, amidst development and expansion to meet tomorrow's needs for our business partners, MARS continues to operate a multi-user spaceport at the NASA Wallops Flight Facility located on the Eastern Shore of Virginia.

Source (http://www.marsspaceport.com/)

The more I read about the facility before posting my first reply, the more it became very clear that any line between NASA and the private operators there becomes very blurry, if a real line exists at all during launch operations. I'm betting it's a distinction without a difference. Especially given that very sensitive location for "oops" events. Florida with a runaway in a bad direction might kill a funny looking rat in Orlando as a worst case. Virginia puts D.C. within very quick downrange impact of a wayward accident (recall how these paranoid people think today). I'll bet the Government is more closely tied into everything happening there than anyone in private industry, for that reason alone, if nothing else.

QuoteCygnus was to loiter in orbit until November 2, then fly itself to the station so astronauts can use a robotic crane to snare the capsule and attach it to a berthing port. The station, a $100 billion research laboratory owned and operated by 15 nations, flies about 260 miles (418 km) above Earth.

The above quote is from Matrix's OP.

I like the use of the term "loiter" in orbit as people like John Lear and Zorgon questioned the whole Loitering aspect of the Shuttle for what now seem's like eon's ago in this sphere!

Anyway for what it's worth for you all who have already probably seen this footage on other site's.  First for me!

Orbital Sciences Explosion at Wallops from 3000ft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zarWT7H9t54

Quote from: zorgon on October 29, 2014, 10:29:46 AM
Yeah good old NASA  Seems they have forgotten everything the claim they knew.  And these guys went to the MOON? Really?  Well here is the latest test of a moon lander...

I think it's crying   :o


NASA Morpheus Lander Crash and Explosions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM1wjs5nWXQ

Someday in the future, some comedian will make a version of this about our time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXT4pgW_UGk

;D

Quote from: Wrabbit2000 on October 29, 2014, 02:48:05 PM
Probably because this is one of them. I don't say it's a shared thing. They do.

I don't see they saying it's a share thing, specially when I read "Orbital Sciences' third contracted resupply mission to the International Space Station was not successful". ???

Quote from: ArMaP on October 29, 2014, 01:51:56 PM
why are we talking about NASA's failures?

Because picking on NASA is our job  :P

Besides NASA is just the front for the real space program.  I so want to get started on that but not sure I want to drag that fellow in here

Awww.. come on Zorg, get him back here just for a little while anyway  ;)

Quote from: ArMaP on October 29, 2014, 07:41:35 PM
I don't see they saying it's a share thing, specially when I read "Orbital Sciences' third contracted resupply mission to the International Space Station was not successful". ???

It's a NASA facility, with NASA resources in what they do say is a joint effort for operating the facility. NASA public relations are handling (at taxpayer expense, in terms of it not being a difference without distinction) the press releases and information management. All the tweets and updates in the period after came quickly and with detail from the official NASA tweet feed, from NASA people.

It may not outright state it's a private company under contract to build what NASA then supervises them launching off government launch pads, but it seems evident by the way the whole public face of it was handled. (updates prior to launch came out from NASA as well, so it's not as though NASA just stepped in when it blew up).

@ Zorgon

I think getting concrete exposure and disclosure to the true level of human activity in Space right now would solve a few problems at once. Major, global problems. First, we'd know where trillions have been going. Somewhere, not that long ago, billions in common speech became trillions for the ease with which politicians use it. It doesn't count for the orders of magnitude in difference for numbers that jumped in a seemingly casual way. People are desensitized to numbers which almost defy logic. Nothing we see accounts for a fraction of what is flowing out now, as we ought to make roads not only free of pot holes, but looking closer to the mythical Cities of Gold.

There are also very few leaders in Military or Politics who would survive with a career intact in the aftermath of anything like true disclosure. People would be stunned into a stupor for a short period, in my opinion, and then turn eyes to their respective Capitals with a rage unparalleled in history. Rightfully so, too.

If it did happen, disclosoure, the vast majority would be ....'yawn'....'who's on dancing with the stars tonight'?

Quote from: Wrabbit2000 on October 30, 2014, 05:03:42 PM
I think getting concrete exposure and disclosure to the true level of human activity in Space right now would solve a few problems at once. Major, global problems. First, we'd know where trillions have been going. Somewhere, not that long ago, billions in common speech became trillions for the ease with which politicians use it. It doesn't count for the orders of magnitude in difference for numbers that jumped in a seemingly casual way. People are desensitized to numbers which almost defy logic. Nothing we see accounts for a fraction of what is flowing out now, as we ought to make roads not only free of pot holes, but looking closer to the mythical Cities of Gold.

From my way of thinking IF we have an active space fleet, revealing that would make our enemies cower in fear right?

::)

Your right though. I have pointed out the shear volume of dollars spent vs the number of tax payers (approx 120 million people  after taking out kids, elderly, illegals and those unemployed  and that is likely a higher number than reality)

The math does not work... the 9 TRILLION missing in the Federal Reserve in one year alone (2009) translated to 35,000 per every man woman and child in the US and that is not counting the day to day operation

So yeah our streets should be paved with gold by now



and then turn eyes to their respective Capitals with a rage unparalleled in history.  =  No Disclosure

Shortly after WWII they started lying. The first lie was the NAZI scientists

Intelligence and government officials faced a delicate moral quandary in 1945 - whether it was worth it to give American homes to men who had invented weapons to kill American soldiers, men who in some cases subscribed to beliefs that hundreds of thousands Americans had died to eradicate. In the end they decided it was, if these men could help the United States defeat the Soviets.

—Christine Gibson is a former editor at American Heritage magazine.

And so it begins...

The second lie was Roswell...

(http://ettracker.com/1jpg/1947f.jpg)


Gordon Coopr Concerning UFOs

In his post-NASA career, Cooper became known as an outspoken believer in UFOs and charged that the government was covering up its knowledge of extraterrestrial activity.

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets, which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth," he told a United Nations panel in 1985.

"I feel that we need to have a top-level, coordinated program to scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the Earth concerning any type of encounter, and to determine how best to interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion."

He added, "For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us."

"Each administration has probably tried to figure out how, with the least embarrassment, they could confess to this whole thing," he said at a recent appearance in Washington to promote his new book, Leap of Faith: An Astronaut's Journey in the Unknown

"There certainly have been too many people, very qualified people and qualified groups of people, that have had interface of one type or another with extraterrestrial craft or beings," Cooper said. "To really deny that something is going on and deny that they definitely exist...we need a little more explanation."

In his book, written with Bruce Henderson, Cooper tells how he saw his first UFO over Europe in 1951. An Air Force pilot in West Germany, Cooper and his squadron mates were scrambled in their F-86 Sabre jets to intercept what appeared to be several metallic silver and saucer-shaped craft.

Cooper also describes an incident at Edwards Air Force Base, California, in which he once looked at film of a crashed UFO in the American Southwest taken in the late 1950s. That film, he writes, was whisked away to the Pentagon never to be seen or heard of again.

Throughout the book, the former astronaut argues for the government to open up its files and come clean about alien visitations.

So convinced is Cooper that UFOs deserve serious study that he once testified before the United Nations in 1978 on the topic. His hope was that the U.N. would become a central repository for accounts of UFO sightings.

"I made the effort to get the U.N. to pick up the ball," Cooper said at the book signing. "They thought it was a great idea, but they never did anything about it."

Colonel L. Gordon Cooper, Mercury-9, Gemini-5 Astronaut, Addressing a United Nations Panel Discussion on UFOs and ETs in New York in 1985. The panel was chaired by then Secretary-General Kurt Waldheim.

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth. I feel that we need to have a top level, coordinated program to scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the earth concerning any type of encounter, and to determine how best to interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion. We may first have to show them that we have learned to resolve our problems by peaceful means, rather than warfare, before we are accepted as fully qualified universal team members. This acceptance would have tremendous possibilities of advancing our world in all areas. Certainly then it would seem that the UN has a vested interest in handling this subject properly and expeditiously.

For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us.

And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public.

Why? Because the authorities are afraid that people may think of some kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means."


UFO Conversations - Dr. Robert Wood

Why the secrecy? Go to 2:44

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8xOyGBeUls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8xOyGBeUls


End result?

NO DISCLOSURE

8)

Many want DISCLOSURE, but as has been said, there CAN'T BE DISCLOSURE !

And there won't be, if a lid can be kept on it !

I might not agree with the situation, but I understand WHY !

Sometimes we have to be realistic ....   instead of Idealistic.   :)



It's too complex, (too many different things going on) at this point in time, and nothing
will be gained by DISCLOSURE, except public chaos.   :(

What is seen in our skies involves many different subjects, some natural, some not, some of our tech.
some Not, some activity is friendly, some is not, some cooperation, and in other areas all out war.

We are like meat in the sandwich ...

It's a b^$%$ mess .

I have to say, I am personally torn on the nature of UFO's and what we're calling Aliens for lack of a better name. Has a human been to an Alien home world or even seen one? Have we confirmed one to exist with any sign it is what it would be claimed as, at a point given? Surely that's been asked at some point. Truman was a curious little man, having hailed from the Show Me state and all, and I could see him being downright demanding about that detail from first contact he was a part of. (As I understand the chain of events people have best come to put together).

If not, and I'm not aware of any independent verification of any kind whatsoever having happened, then how do we know these are Aliens from a chain of evolution removed from our corner of the galaxy at all? World War II wasn't the first time they seem to have shown up in numbers to observe before the event that would later become obvious for the main focus, even occurred. It makes ya wonder...

In World War II, it was the Atomic blast that later years would show a real pronounced focus from UFO's toward, which I believe they had been gathering to see and record the lead up to. I think that blast at Trinity had more meaning than we've still come to understand, and it likely sent out shock waves on levels our physics don't account for yet. World War I was bigger, with more open death in fighting and wholesale numbers than World War II. Where are the massive UFO reports (which would have stood out more back then) if mere fighting and war had been the draw?

However..again..the gathering and concentration of sightings with the 'foo fighters', as one example, came before anyone could know the main event was even coming.....unless... these aren't Aliens at all. It's not hard to see why we'd assume it, and perhaps even prefer it. The alternative is a shocking one and a real unsettling one, if it hasn't been disclosed to our people in the modern times.


There are two radically different directions on the timeline they could also be coming from. Our OWN timeline. Some believe a very advanced civilization did exist a very very long time ago. Long before Homer or Plato or any dreams of a thing called Atlantis. Long before the last Ice Age began, let alone ended. If there is any truth to that, then they may well have expanded off-world during their era, and those off-world when whatever changed the reality here to end that civilization came, may have found ways to go on.

---

To really cook your noodle in considering though, is the other one I think gets short shrift. If time travel is possible, as Einstein's numbers apparently say it is in the world of theory, then it not only has happened, but IS happening and has always BEEN happening around us. Likely only at key points and moments of our history, and to observe more than alter. I'd tend to accept the premise of paradox as coming with time shifting something near as it has been presented in popular culture.

This thing is though...Time and space are simple things on one level. It's all just math, once you learn how to properly use it in a certain way. So, if it takes another 100, 1000 or 100,000 years on Earth to discover? In our reality now, that's all academic to the extreme. It would still be happening around us now, by our perception...not in the past by those traveling it.

It's the most disturbing possibility because if that has ANY merit? Then there is a real big and real nasty change of some sort between what we are today and what we're seeing ourselves having become in the distant (I'd hope very distant) future.

(hops off to let the noodles boil) :)

Quote from: zorgon on October 30, 2014, 07:35:37 PM

End result?

NO DISCLOSURE

But there has been disclosure.  There is loads of it all over the place.  What you guys mean is the President making a live broadcast.

In the Past; Disclosure or Propaganda ?

Quote from: The Matrix Traveller on October 31, 2014, 11:33:34 PM
In the Past; Disclosure or Propaganda ?

Both.

We've had everything bar a handshake live on TV.

Quote from: Pimander on October 31, 2014, 10:58:27 PM
But there has been disclosure.  There is loads of it all over the place.  What you guys mean is the President making a live broadcast.

"disclosure" in this context is really nothing short of a real alien appearing on CNN 

::)

You say there is 'loads' of it all over the place? Well I have been searching since 1968... To this date all I have is a bunch of redacted papers that are very vague about what some people think they saw. I have heard a gadzillion stories from 'eye witnesses'. I have heard from the head of the Avery that "We track them on satellite" I have heard stories from John Lear first hand. I have heard symposiums ob the myriad of supposed crashed saucer recovery teams... etc  etc  etc

I have NOT seen a real Alien, I have NOT seen an Alien body, I have NOT seen an Alien or reversed engineered space craft. (yes I have seen odd glowing objects in the distance and 'critters' with generation # night goggles). I have NOT seen or touched even a tiny scrap of anything off of any one of these thousands of crashed saucers

The government is so precise about covering all this up all these years? The recover teams never miss a small piece of debris? (the top military trams that recover secret aircraft leave LOTS of bits behind)

Nope... we have circumstantial evidence by the truck load but disclosure?

Not gonna happen

::)

Quote from: zorgon on November 01, 2014, 12:41:51 AM
"disclosure" in this context is really nothing short of a real alien appearing on CNN 

::)

But they do Z.

go to 1:49 and see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGXh465F6u0

another example of how they ridicule things.

But is this 'Phenomena', understood by the general public in its true context ?   :)

And just how many different types are thought to be of the same, when in fact
they may NOT all be the same Phenomena.

How much do people assume, and is their understanding correct ?

When we see our own Tech. failing so often, how advanced are we really ?

Just look at your transport; The average petrol 'Internal combustion engine' is only
about 20% thermally efficient !   :(

Not so technically advanced as one is lead to believe.

And is our understanding of what we are taught re. this universe Correct, or is it as far away
as one can get ?   :)

Think really hard.  There has been disclosure by the USAF and RAF.

I agreed with 'Z'. There's too much money, too much POWER envolved, to have real disclosures unless they land on the White House lawn, jump out and do the Macarena in front of the nightly news.

Rock

Quote from: Pimander on October 31, 2014, 10:58:27 PM
But there has been disclosure.  There is loads of it all over the place.  What you guys mean is the President making a live broadcast.

In all honesty, magick for me is starting to reduce down to the fun stuff I see inside my head, on the occasions where I smoke some unusually good weed during my nightly session.  I say, "magick," because that is also the mental bucket in which ET contact and related fecal matter belongs, at this point. 

If you guys want your own First Contact, however, then drop anywhere north of 75 ug of LSD, mentally open hailing frequencies, and the Greys (and/or various other somewhat more enlightened or positive groups, depending on where your own level of development is) will come running.  It's really not that hard.  To quote the saying, their operators are standing by. ;)

(http://www.thejinn.net/images/Ashtar3.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwOU3bnuU0k

(Free hint concerning eldritch Prince Charming up there, too; if you want to know whether he specifically is someone you should be listening to, take note of the phrase, "Ashtar Command.")

Before Pimander or anyone else says it, however, yes, I'm well aware of the fact that the CIA are probably salivating over the idea of everyone doing the above, given MK-ULTRA and other such things.  Something I figured out on perhaps my own second acid trip however, is that there probably isn't a single conceptual primitive inside my head that was not put there by the cabal, at least at this point.  If I'm going to free myself at all, it is going to be by subverting said ideas or putting them to an unintended use, not by replacing them.  If you think you aren't already brainwashed, you're fooling yourself.  We all are.

As I've said before though, I also know why a lot of people want "Disclosure," to mean a landing on the White House lawn, and the proverbial Presidential handshake.  It's because far too many of you (the universal "you," here) still suffer from the tragic disease of viewing the President as some sort of genuinely credible authority figure; and therefore, contact is not going to be real for you until he says it's real.

Quote from: RUSSO on November 01, 2014, 12:48:24 AM
another example of how they ridicule things.

That is my point  sure people see UFO's and odd lights in the sky but UFO does not translate into Alien Spacecraft

I thought the Phoenix lights were identified anyway?

Phoenix lights 2007 attributed to military flares dropped by fighter aircraft at Luke Air Force Base

Phoenix lights 2008  flares attached to helium balloons released by a civilian

Okay so one possible sighting of unknown lights moving in the sky in 1997  then two more incidents that were hoaxes...  Governor says he saw UFO, then makes fun with fake aliens... way to go

As I said  NO DISCLOSURE  just BUFFOONERY

Quote from: petrus4 on November 01, 2014, 09:33:34 AMIt's really not that hard.  To quote the saying, their operators are standing by. ;)

Channeling  Ah yes!

And how do you know that the entity you are channeling is benevolent?

Take the Case of Blossum Goodchild a few years back. She was 100% certain she was channeling the GFL/Ashtar Command. They promised her a major appearance. This went on for months. All the New Age Crowds were prepping for Mass Ascension... aided by the good little aliens in the GFL...

Then what happened?  They were a major NO SHOW. This litterally destroyed Blossum who went into a meltdown trying to understand why they hung her out to dry...  Since then every skeptic on the planet uses that incidence as proof of BS  No other channneler will EVER be taken seriously

So WHAT IF  the 'entities' people are channeling are the IMPS that Tibetan's speak of?  Lobsang Rampa says if you use a Ouija Board you are not communicating with the deand dearly departed, but trickster imps that once called are hard to get rid of.

These imps exist between the two worlds and will pray on anyone that is weak.  They are easy to banish with a strong will... but taking drugs will weaken your will and allow them a way in.

Also people dabbling in 'magick' without proper training and SAFEGUARDS are also opening themselves up to these imps.

I suppose religious people might call them Demons... though the classic concept of Demons doesn't quite fit. Perhaps a hoard of little LOKI's might be better

The same goes for this Ouija Board stuff. People will get a Ouija Board and play about with it, and some Elemental who is always dashing about like a mischievous monkey, will see what is being done, and he will definitely influence the reading. Now you might think there is no harm in that, but there is no good in it either, and definitely there is great harm in these Ouija Board readings if an Elemental causes the message to be given to sound highly plausible but which is just something extracted from the victim's own sub-conscious. A person's whole life can be affected for the worse by believing in this Ouija Board messages.

Another great source of misinformation is when the Ouija-Board is moved in accordance with the collective thought of the people who are gathered around. Often it will be impelled by wishful thinking and, again, will give a message which can be positively harmful by being misleading. The safest thing is - have nothing whatever to do with Ouija Boards and nothing whatever to do with seances. Remember, you came to this Earth deliberately not knowing the exact purpose of your visit, and if you try to find out too much without very, very exceptional cause, then you are like the student going to the examination room who manages to steal a copy of the examination papers first. That is just plain cheating, and it doesn't help at all.
~ T.L Rampa

Quote from: Pimander on November 01, 2014, 02:49:55 AM
Think really hard.

Brain is hurting... give me an example...

QuoteThere has been disclosure by the USAF

Yes ROSWELL DIDN'T HAPPEN  LOL It was a weather balloon according to all official FINAL reports. Go look at the FBI reading room(Vault) and the NSA UFO files... and the NAVT says P.E. never happened   ::)

Quoteand RAF.

THIS GUY...

(http://www.ozufo.net/images/speakers-charles-halt.jpg)

Gave a really awesome presentation on the Bentwaters case. He added a LOT of details I had never heard before...

Then Nick Pope gets up and shoots it down.  John Alexander also shoots it down though he did squirm a little at times... and then on the way off the podium he says "Oh BTW we track them form satellite"  No one caught it, not even George Knapp

I guess I can buy the CD by now  Wonder if that comment was in there

So the best case from RAP  talked up by Halt Shot down by Pope and Alexander... The Blue Book guy (Col Robert Friend, Director) gave the same old pat answers and the other guy Col William  Coleman gave his same old story... then said I have some good stuff but not going to bother because no one has ever asked me about it"

So  This was supposedly a disclosure press release to people interested in UFO's held in the Area 51/Atomic Museum in Vegas with George Knapp and John Lear present...  under the label Area 51 secrets revealed"

And in the end  same old same ols  NADA ZIP ZILCH to take home

Quote from: petrus4 on November 01, 2014, 09:33:34 AM
It's really not that hard.  To quote the saying, their operators are standing by. ;)

(http://www.thejinn.net/images/Ashtar3.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwOU3bnuU0k

(Free hint concerning eldritch Prince Charming up there, too; if you want to know whether he specifically is someone you should be listening to, take note of the phrase, "Ashtar Command.")

Why is it an anagram of BS central LOL.

You use of the word operator needs changing to operatives.  The whole thing was an intelligence operation. ::)

Quote from: zorgon on November 01, 2014, 09:43:18 AM
Okay so one possible sighting of unknown lights moving in the sky in 1997  then two more incidents that were hoaxes...  Governor says he saw UFO, then makes fun with fake aliens... way to go

Well... i think was not the govenor that planned that fake alien presentation.... i think was a TRAP for him.

Quote from: RUSSO on November 01, 2014, 07:33:01 PM
...i think was a TRAP for him.

...or a way out   8)

And then we have this failure ...




And the human species still struggles to venter into his experience.


Rocket engines are Thermal Converters. They rely on expanding gasses being spewed out the rear end.

Like a huge fart.

Hell we can date such technology back to



Oh and by the way you .... just a point of interest .... one is NOT 'Weightless' in space.

What is said to be 'Weightlessness' is produced by a curved trajectory i.e. at the Crest of the climb
then into a dive or when in Orbit. Something in the field of 'Dynamics', they (Engineers) tell me.  LOL.

Which I can accept ....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reduced_gravity_aircraft


Is our Earth or any other planet weightless in space ?

If so then nothing at all would be in their orbits now would they ?

Stop a satellite in its orbit and it will soon come crashing back to Earth !  LOL.

I guess that satellite does weigh something in space after all.

Too much B.S. being fed to a gullible public.    :(



The technical/engineering input lays in; The 'steering mechanisms' ('Thrust vectoring') of the Engines.  (now Computer Controlled).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thrust_vectoring













No matter WHAT the 'fuel'.....  rocket engines are just 'Thermal Converters' !   :)


You Ant going to cross Galaxies by farting...  LOL.