Im not much for war doom porn calls but this speach seems relevant to create a record file at PRC.
QuoteMost people in the English-speaking parts of the world missed Putin's speech at the Valdai conference in Sochi a few days ago, and, chances are, those of you who have heard of the speech didn't get a chance to read it, and missed its importance. (For your convenience, I am pasting in the full transcript of his speech below.) Western media did their best to ignore it or to twist its meaning. Regardless of what you think or don't think of Putin (like the sun and the moon, he does not exist for you to cultivate an opinion) this is probably the most important political speech since Churchill's "Iron Curtain" speech of March 5, 1946.
In this speech, Putin abruptly changed the rules of the game. Previously, the game of international politics was played as follows: politicians made public pronouncements, for the sake of maintaining a pleasant fiction of national sovereignty, but they were strictly for show and had nothing to do with the substance of international politics; in the meantime, they engaged in secret back-room negotiations, in which the actual deals were hammered out. Previously, Putin tried to play this game, expecting only that Russia be treated as an equal. But these hopes have been dashed, and at this conference he declared the game to be over, explicitly violating Western taboo by speaking directly to the people over the heads of elite clans and political leaders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH8wOEtxQXs
The Russian blogger chipstone summarized the most salient points from Putin speech as follows:
Quote1. Russia will no longer play games and engage in back-room negotiations over trifles. But Russia is prepared for serious conversations and agreements, if these are conducive to collective security, are based on fairness and take into account the interests of each side.
2. All systems of global collective security now lie in ruins. There are no longer any international security guarantees at all. And the entity that destroyed them has a name: The United States of America.
3. The builders of the New World Order have failed, having built a sand castle. Whether or not a new world order of any sort is to be built is not just Russia's decision, but it is a decision that will not be made without Russia.
4. Russia favors a conservative approach to introducing innovations into the social order, but is not opposed to investigating and discussing such innovations, to see if introducing any of them might be justified.
5. Russia has no intention of going fishing in the murky waters created by America's ever-expanding "empire of chaos," and has no interest in building a new empire of her own (this is unnecessary; Russia's challenges lie in developing her already vast territory). Neither is Russia willing to act as a savior of the world, as she had in the past.
6. Russia will not attempt to reformat the world in her own image, but neither will she allow anyone to reformat her in their image. Russia will not close herself off from the world, but anyone who tries to close her off from the world will be sure to reap a whirlwind.
7. Russia does not wish for the chaos to spread, does not want war, and has no intention of starting one. However, today Russia sees the outbreak of global war as almost inevitable, is prepared for it, and is continuing to prepare for it. Russia does not war—nor does she fear it.
8. Russia does not intend to take an active role in thwarting those who are still attempting to construct their New World Order—until their efforts start to impinge on Russia's key interests. Russia would prefer to stand by and watch them give themselves as many lumps as their poor heads can take. But those who manage to drag Russia into this process, through disregard for her interests, will be taught the true meaning of pain.
9. In her external, and, even more so, internal politics, Russia's power will rely not on the elites and their back-room dealing, but on the will of the people.
To these nine points I would like to add a tenth:
10. There is still a chance to construct a new world order that will avoid a world war. This new world order must of necessity include the United States—but can only do so on the same terms as everyone else: subject to international law and international agreements; refraining from all unilateral action; in full respect of the sovereignty of other nations.
To sum it all up: play-time is over. Children, put away your toys. Now is the time for the adults to make decisions. Russia is ready for this; is the world?
Russia sees the outbreak of global war as almost inevitable, :o
Should we start to save food?
Full transcript here:
http://cluborlov.blogspot.fi/2014/10/putin-to-western-elites-play-time-is.html?m=1 (http://cluborlov.blogspot.fi/2014/10/putin-to-western-elites-play-time-is.html?m=1)
Ps... I thought the New World Order was just a conspiracy theory ::)
It strikes me as the point in this where history will look back to say Russia's preparatory phase ended here. He's been quietly building up and building out his capabilities. So quietly, the very idea he's done it at all has been a point of debate between intelligent folks. Now it looks like all pretense is being dropped and the bear is losing the false limp its been carrying for those looking to find it.
I'd also say Obama had better learn the serious points of Cold War rules VERY quickly. That is what this basically outlines. Agreements are big ones like treaties and summit results, but he sounds like he got burned on taking us at face value behind the scenes once too often. Iran's Presidential office just had someone basically calling us out as liars in public too. Bad time for anything like diplomacy and it seems the world almost wants to get to the main event at this point, seeing it coming.
It is obvious too. Looking back at the lead up to both World War I and World War II? Yea....I see no problem with future generations drawing the very same patterns of bad judgments, estimations and assumptions for this period of time.
Quote from: RUSSO on October 31, 2014, 04:04:39 AM
Russia sees the outbreak of global war as almost inevitable, :o
KEWL!!! Ra Ra Ras Putin
QuoteShould we start to save food?
I have a years supply in now, probably longer if we had to stretch it, Desert is full of Yucca Root (like potatotoes) and Prickly Pear cactus (leaves are a vegetable and the pears taste like citrus. Also thousands of quail and rabbits out there
QuotePs... I thought the New World Order was just a conspiracy theory ::)
It is 8)
My Grandfather is in this He is the high pitched tenor. Ivan Stanislavitch (wouldn't do to have a German name on the Choir :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_2uFCW_z1c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_2uFCW_z1c
Russia Alerted U.S. to ICBM Launch
(http://images.defensetech.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Topol_RS-12M.jpg)
http://defensetech.org/2014/03/04/russian-missile-test-was-planned-u-s-says/
Quote from: zorgon on October 31, 2014, 10:19:53 AM
It is 8)
I think we can strip Theory from it then :P
Quote from: zorgon on October 31, 2014, 10:52:57 AM
Russia Alerted U.S. to ICBM Launch
http://defensetech.org/2014/03/04/russian-missile-test-was-planned-u-s-says/
Hey Z... i think that is old news... I mean before the speach. Relevant to say they are flexing muscles the entire year.
This one happened this week:
QuoteNATO Intercepted 19 Russian Military Aircraft Today
QuoteNATO detected and monitored four groups of Russian military aircraft conducting significant military manoeuvers in European airspace over the Baltic Sea, North Sea/Atlantic Ocean, and Black Sea on 28 and 29 October 2014. These sizable Russian flights represent an unusual level of air activity over European airspace.
http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/nato-intercepted-19-russian-military-aircraft-today (http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/natosource/nato-intercepted-19-russian-military-aircraft-today)
Just a couple thoughts to this in a historic perspective. If this all goes the distance, and it goes to war at some point? Well, I think its a whole different bag of tricks we have to consider. Russia has been our ally in the last 2 World Wars. They know why and how those were won, and how they could have been lost. God knows, Russia came close enough to losing it in the second one during one period.
The Allies won, both times, because of American intervention and involvement. That isn't to say Americans as a people or Americans as a culture saved the day with anything like what makes us American. No... It was far far simpler than all that nationalist nonsense. America was beyond reach and thereby 100% immune to the ravages of war for unlimited and unrestricted production to fight forever. No other nation in the world had such an advantage, and geography is ALL that gave it to us. (Germany recognized this when they tried to talk Mexico into starting war with the U.S. on a second front going into World War I...but bad application of figuring it out).
I think Russians are equal to us in any way which matters for intelligence, despite the suggestions I see in media that rings in the flow of propaganda that may come. I also think Putin will address our greatest strength and, also, our greatest weakness in the opening hours of any such war. Our domestic production and civilian mobilization capabilities. He can ..and I believe would/will, do that with nuclear weapons, but without killing a soul directly. Its literally the only way to knock the US out of a fight, overnight, and it'd only have one opportunity to work or fail.
The 1950's showed low orbital detonation of nuclear weapons could knock out municipal infrastructure over 900 miles away. The test shot which achieved that by knocking out the traffic lights and other systems in Hawaii, detonated directly over Johnston Atoll by accident, as I recall. It had been meant to be offset, and not right overhead. It showed the hard way tho....it doesn't kill what is on the ground. So, oddly enough? The WORLD may not even support an outright military attack in response. That WOULD kill people...and we just have power problems...I could hear nations which don't like us much anymore, stating.
Our geography even means we could be impacted with EMP blasts in an isolated way, so other nations (Oh...sorry Canada) wouldn't be touched.
I say all this just to note why planning for very extended periods without power, as something we just aren't used to considering in the Western world, may be the best place to start for prep. If THIS is what the prep is for? That is where I start, anyway.
Nah...
...all the prep and mustering is getting ready for part four of Von Braun's prediction...
FALSE FLAG ALIEN INVASION
THAT will be your DISCLOSURE
8)
One question: did anyone read the transcript instead of relying on that bloger's version 9 points?
Quote from: ArMaP on October 31, 2014, 07:08:25 PM
One question: did anyone read the transcript instead of relying on that bloger's version 9 points?
No because the blogger report is more fear mongering. Reading the original would give you truth
8)
Quote from: ArMaP on October 31, 2014, 07:08:25 PM
One question: did anyone read the transcript instead of relying on that bloger's version 9 points?
Yes. It must be a HOAX. If truth, this would be everywhere by now. MSM would never waste a speach like this.
I heard the speach, there is a tension in the air and Putin do seems "concerned" about future.
Quote"Russia has made its choice – we want to develop our economy and develop democratic values. We work with our counterparts in the Shanghai Cooperation, the BRICS union for example. We want our opinions to be respected likewise. We all need to be cautious to not make hasty and dangerous steps. Some of the players on the global front have forgotten about the need for this," he said in another barb directed at Washington.
Quote"The USA, which has implemented sanctions against Russia, is sawing at the branches, upon which they are sitting," President Putin added.
http://rt.com/news/198924-putin-valdai-speech-president/ (http://rt.com/news/198924-putin-valdai-speech-president/)
But again.. I doubt a nuclear war will be the case. In my oppinion they would never destry their "haven" here on earth to live in caves for a long time.
Fear mongering it is.
Quote from: zorgon on October 31, 2014, 07:16:39 PM
No because the blogger report is more fear mongering. Reading the original would give you truth
The truth? You couldn't handle the truth! :P
Quote from: RUSSO on October 31, 2014, 10:44:16 PM
But again.. I doubt a nuclear war will be the case. In my oppinion they would never destry their "haven" here on earth to live in caves for a long time.
It looks like Putin also doubts it, as he said (according to the transcript):
QuoteWhat do I mean? Today, many types of high-precision weaponry are already close to mass-destruction weapons in terms of their capabilities, and in the event of full renunciation of nuclear weapons or radical reduction of nuclear potential, nations that are leaders in creating and producing high-precision systems will have a clear military advantage. Strategic parity will be disrupted, and this is likely to bring destabilization. The use of a so-called first global pre-emptive strike may become tempting. In short, the risks do not decrease, but intensify.
Quote from: ArMaP on October 31, 2014, 11:18:29 PM
It looks like Putin also doubts it, as he said (according to the transcript):
The problem is... What would happen to the side that would being loosing a non nuclear war, but destrutive enought to be massive?
Would they let the enemy have the spoils? Or they would, as the last alternative, also destroy the way of life of the enemy irradiating the planet?
Is it possible a winner in a USA/Russia war? At what cost?
I feel it to be very unlikely to happen, And if it happen someday, and nuclear weapons are not used, i will take it as problably staged. Just my oppinion.
Quote from: RUSSO on November 01, 2014, 12:26:30 AM
Is it possible a winner in a USA/Russia war?
Yeah China 8)
Quote from: zorgon on November 01, 2014, 12:30:20 AM
Yeah China 8)
Well at least the world will not lack of people :-X
The generation that fought and won WWII doesn't exist anymore. They were willing to make any sacrifice, use any weapon to WIN. Sadly that resolve doesn't exist anymore.
Rock
Putin says: ", nations that are leaders in creating and producing high-precision systems will have a clear military advantage. "
Hmmm
Back about a decade ago, Russian were upset about American kids and video games... because they felt they were being trained to be the warriors of the future and since Russia did not have the money or the tech, they would be at a disadvantage...
Time slip to today....
...somewhere near Area 51... a bunch of kids sit in really comfy chairs in front of video game screens and joy sticks
(http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/drone-pilots-distraction-121127-679223-.jpg)
This is Creech AFB at Indian Springs just outside Vegas on the edge of Area 51. These kids are playing war games using live and armed DRONES. These drones are "high-precision systems that have a clear military advantage"
Seems Putin is correct 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unv9C2t7f5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unv9C2t7f5c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It9x2o9b8cE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It9x2o9b8cE
And you though kids playing video games all day was a waste of time...
::)
Some serious protesting out here at the base
::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzHme4PP5so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzHme4PP5so
Quote from: zorgon on November 01, 2014, 10:47:36 AM
And you though kids playing video games all day was a waste of time...
We used to play soccer and ride bikes. Kids do it sat in a chair now. Bad news for your heart and lungs.
The habit of exercising is so important. I don't dream of driving anywhere if I don't have to and cycle every day. How many in the following generations will?
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on November 01, 2014, 02:37:09 AM
The generation that fought and won WWII doesn't exist anymore. They were willing to make any sacrifice, use any weapon to WIN. Sadly that resolve doesn't exist anymore.
Putin also talks about something else that existed back then, respect, probably because they saw the other countries as people like their own instead of faceless adversaries or enemies or even "friends":
QuoteYes, many of the mechanisms we have for ensuring the world order were created quite a long time ago now, including and above all in the period immediately following World War II. Let me stress that the solidity of the system created back then rested not only on the balance of power and the rights of the victor countries, but on the fact that this system's 'founding fathers' had respect for each other, did not try to put the squeeze on others, but attempted to reach agreements.
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on November 01, 2014, 02:37:09 AM
The generation that fought and won WWII doesn't exist anymore. They were willing to make any sacrifice, use any weapon to WIN. Sadly that resolve doesn't exist anymore.
Rock
If you are talking about the use of nuclear weapons, (specifically at the end of WW2) this is incorrect. Truman wanted to bomb Japan as an act of revenge for Pearl Harbour; but neither MacArthur nor Eisenhower advocated its' use.
During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude... -- Dwight Eisenhower,
Mandate for Change, 1953-1956: The White House Years, A Personal Account. (http://www.amazon.com/Mandate-Change-1953-1956-Personal-Account/dp/B000OLC3HI)MacArthur once spoke to me very eloquently about it, pacing the floor of his apartment in the Waldorf. He thought it a tragedy the bomb was ever exploded. MacArthur believed that the same restrictions ought to apply to atomic weapons as to conventional weapons, that the military objective should always be limited damage to noncombatants... MacArthur, you see, was a soldier. He believed in using force only against military targets, and that is why the nuclear thing turned him off, which I think speaks well of him. -- Richard Nixon,
The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb and the Architecture of an American Myth.
Quote from: petrus4 on November 01, 2014, 05:12:30 PM
If you are talking about the use of nuclear weapons, (specifically at the end of WW2) this is incorrect. Truman wanted to bomb Japan as an act of revenge for Pearl Harbour; but neither MacArthur nor Eisenhower advocated its' use.
Was not Pearl Harbour tragedy used by USA as their own "Reichstag fire" excuse?
(http://pnacattack.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/november-30-1941.jpg?w=576&h=239)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8932197/Pearl-Harbour-memo-shows-US-warned-of-Japanese-attack.html# (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8932197/Pearl-Harbour-memo-shows-US-warned-of-Japanese-attack.html#)
(http://www.vinmag.com/online/media/gbu0/prodlg/AP815H-avenge-pearl-harbour-war-poster.jpg)
QuoteThis BBC documentary details U.S. foreknowledge of Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. Much more evidence has come to light since the 1989 - when this film was put together
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p1TOA99S88
Quote from: RUSSO on November 01, 2014, 07:21:06 PM
Was not Pearl Harbour tragedy used by USA as their own "Reichstag fire" excuse?
While I'm sure Pearl Harbour was pretext, I would question whether or not it was specifically engineered by the American government, in that particular case. I would more likely call the attack a happy coincidence for those who wanted to enter the war; and certainly not one which they would have discouraged.