Posted a few weeks ago (September 12th) thought this was an important article from researcher Alejandro Rojas about the ongoing disclosure of contents from the hundreds of redacted National Security Agency UFO documents accessed by researchers in the 1990's.
Thing is, now it seems the N.S.A has lost them all. :(
It's a bit of a long article but there's also some interesting reading about the mysterious 'Yeates affidavit' and John Greenwald Junior's attempts at a Mandatory Declassification Review.. as well as related info concerning 'UFO lawyer' Peter Gersten's CAUS organisation suing the National Security Agency back in 1980 because it 'refused' to release its UFO files (according to a U.S. District Court Judge who wasn't even allowed to read the files 'The continued need for secrecy far out weighed the public's right to know').
QuoteNSA says it has lost its non-redacted UFO files
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UFO and government secrecy researcher John Greenewald has been petitioning to get the National Security Agency (NSA) UFO files that were released in the 90s further declassified. When they were released, after a legal battle, much of the information was redacted. There are large swaths of information that have been blacked out or covered with white out. However, the NSA recently told Greenewald they could not find even one original of the hundreds of pages UFO files.
Greenewald received this information in response to a request for a Mandatory Declassification Review (MDR) of the NSA's UFO files. MDRs require that the agency re-review previously released redacted files to unredact information that is now declassified. This is a similar process that was used to reveal the name of Area 51 in CIA documents last year.
The MDR was fulfilled for an affidavit related to the lawsuit asking the NSA to release its UFO files in 1980, called the Yeates affidavit. As for the rest, the NSA writes, "With the exception of the enclosed document, we cannot locate unredacted copies or the original documents that were previously reviewed and released to the public."
In the late 70s, the Citizens Against UFO Secrecy (CAUS), headed by lawyer Peter Gersten, sought to get UFO files from several government agencies released using the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The NSA refused to release their files, so CAUS sued.
The NSA had a large amount of UFO files, not necessarily because they were investigating UFOs, but because they monitor communications worldwide as part of their regular duties. These files are called communications intelligence (COMINT). Among this large amount of data, there were hundreds of files referring to UFOs. However, the NSA felt they should remain classified.
In 1980, Eugene F. Yeates, chief of the Office of Policy for the NSA, submitted a 21 page document to the judge overseeing the case, Federal Judge Gerhart A. Gesell, as to why these files should remain classified. This is the Yeates affidavit. However, this document was also classified.
Although Gesell did not have the clearance to read the documents in question, the Yeates affidavit convinced him that the NSA files should stay classified. He wrote, "The public interest in disclosure is far outweighed by the sensitive nature of the materials and the obvious effect on national security their release may well entail."
When the Yeates affidavit was released, it was heavily redacted. UFO researcher Stanton Friedman shows a page from the document to demonstrate government UFO secrecy, and as he says, this goes over well on television where a simple image can be very effective when making a point.
Eventually, in 1997, due to laws making it more difficult to keep files over 25 years old classified, the NSA released a less redacted Yeates affidavit, and 156 UFO documents. As Friedman puts it, the affidavit was originally about 75% blacked out, the second version was only about 20% blacked out. However, the UFO documents are heavily redacted.
The NSA must have seen Friedman's talks or television interviews, because instead of mostly blacking out the text, this time they largely whited it out, making it much less visually poignant..
Greenewald writes, "In essence, the 'originals' were destroyed or lost when they blacked out the records many years ago — and now in 2014 — they are missing and can not be further reviewed for declassification and release. The history, whatever it may be, is lost forever."
Link (http://www.journal.com.ph/editorial/mysteries/nsa-says-it-has-lost-its-non-redacted-ufo-files)
Video:
See
7:10Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V_YOV6HXog
QuoteThe NSA claims that it cannot locate the non-redacted versions of its UFO files.
Also, for folks who may not have heard of him, John Greenewald Junior mentioned in the article above gave a presentation quite a few years back which is well worth a watch as he basically proves the contents of the 'USAF UFO Fact Sheet' are completely untrue just by citing the U.S. Government's own documents (he also makes some very good points about NORAD CIRVIS UFO reports).
Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKN4eHgIMv4
QuoteFor nearly 9 years, John Greenewald, Jr. has been exploring the archives of the U.S. Government for undeniable proof of the UFO Phenomenon. In those nine years, he has created the largest online archive anywhere in the world.
Likewise Peter Gerstein has been quite a persistent chap over the years and here he is with Project Bluebook's Dr Hynek discussing UFO documents which are not meant to exist (particularly ones from the Defense Intelligence Agency (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=3245.msg45727#msg45727)).
See
0:40Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tuX36wXnTw
QuoteOn June 24,1980 Gersten brought suit in the same District Court against the National Security Agency but this time on behalf of his own recently formed organization, Citizens Against UFO Secrecy (CAUS). His objective was 135 UFO related documents the NCI had refused to release. On November 18, 1980, based upon a NSA top secret affidavit which Gersten was not allowed to see, US District Court Judge Gerhard A. Gesell dismissed the lawsuit stating that 'the continued need for secrecy far out weighed the public's right to know.'
Cheers.
"Please look at the little red light for a second..." ~ Col. John Alexander
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/as524b372b.jpg)
First the IRS, now NASA? Well, this 'Dog ate my homework' nonsense is becoming epidemic!
Perhaps the Government needs help with basic backup and storage procedure. I hear every community college offers Computer 101 courses. I wouldn't mind paying for these simpletons to get a basic primer on how to save a file like they mean it. (grin)
1) They're lying. Just another move in the shell and pea game.
2) They actually did lose the untouched papers.
I would actually prefer #1. The status quo is unchanged. #2 would be a sad loss of documentation history.
This makes me remember that Apollo "tuna can" episode where NASA said they lost all the originals and it "appeared" in a abandoned mcdonalds.
(http://images.spaceref.com/news/2008/IMG_3092.m.jpg)
:-\
Maybe we will find the files in some abandoned burger king this time :P
Quote from: RUSSO on November 25, 2014, 08:41:57 PM
This makes me remember that Apollo "tuna can" episode where NASA said they lost all the originals and it "appeared" in a abandoned mcdonalds.
Weren't those from the Lunar Orbiter?
Yes those are the Lunar Orbiter tapes... they have not found the Apollo tapes yet
We had the scoop on those LO tapes ;D
Quote from: ArMaP on November 25, 2014, 08:59:12 PM
Weren't those from the Lunar Orbiter?
Oh... my bad... so long ago.. I should have google it first :P
Quote from: zorgon on November 25, 2014, 09:02:56 PM
We had the scoop on those LO tapes ;D
(http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/future_tense/2013/09/09/exclusive_scoop_or_false_rumor_in_journalism_getting_it_wrong_could_be_good/shutterstock_extra_1.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg)
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Quote from: Wrabbit2000 on November 25, 2014, 04:39:03 PM
First the IRS, now NASA? Well, this 'Dog ate my homework' nonsense is becoming epidemic!
Sure is Wrabbit and there are plenty of other examples of Government UFO files, sensitive military UFO reports, official UFO footage, gun camera photographs, radar tapes, satellite data, Military pilot transcripts, Control Tower tapes, Naval log books, official UFO meeting minutes, security footage, physical trace evidence samples and official UFO investigation records being withheld, stolen, destroyed, confiscated or 'lost' as well - seems it goes on quite a bit.
Quote from: WarToad on November 25, 2014, 05:00:53 PM
1) They're lying. Just another move in the shell and pea game.
Yes I think it's number one - if it wasn't then considering these NSA UFO documents were so important that a Federal Court Judge wasn't even allowed to read them then you'd think they'd be a little more careful when it came to remembering where they put them.
Quote from: zorgon on November 24, 2014, 09:01:35 AM
"Please look at the little red light for a second..." ~ Col. John Alexander
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/as524b372b.jpg)
Never trusted that guy mate - always came across as a bit shifty to me. :)
Also thought this quote from good old Jacques was a relevant one.
Quote "Governments took notice, organizing task forces, encouraging secret briefings and study groups, funding classified research and all the time denying before the public that any of the phenomena might be real. The major revelation of these Diaries may be the demonstration of how the scientific community was misled by the government, how the best data were kept hidden, and how the public record was shamelessly manipulated."
Dr. Jacques Vallee, astrophysicist, computer scientist 1992
link (http://books.google.es/books?id=4doRQlCxLa0C&pg=PR8&lpg=PR8&dq=Governments+took+notice,+organizing+task+forces,+encouraging+secret+briefings+and+study+groups,+funding+classified+research+and+all+the+time+denying+before+the+public+that+any+of+the+phenomena+might+be+real.+The+major&source=bl&ots=D5pjhtT2Li&sig=coXZMK07qaB0qedazxoDZ1eIT30&hl=en&ei=n6B2TbbiDoGaOsWXiZgG&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Governments%20took%20notice%2C%20organizing%20task%20forces%2C%20encouraging%20secret%20briefings%20and%20study%20groups%2C%20funding%20classified%20research%20and%20all%20the%20time%20denying%20before%20the%20public%20that%20any%20of%20the%20phenomena%20might%20be%20real.%20The%20major&f=false)
Cheers.
Quote from: RUSSO on November 25, 2014, 08:41:57 PM
Maybe we will find the files in some abandoned burger king this time :P
Let's bloody hope so mate - would like to have a good rummage through those. :)
There
are some existing NSA UFO documents in this (http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/ufos/nsa/nsaaffidavit-aftermdr-july2014.pdf) pdf file and I don't think Xtraeme over on ATS would mind me mentioning his mighty fine research into this partly blacked out document:
(http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/ca543d4e2d.png)
Seems it was in actual reference to this incident where 35 UFOs were tracked on air/ground radar over Sopley in 1971 - also looks like Britain's RAF and GCHQ were sharing UFO documents with the NSA event though they claim 'no government agency has ever taken an interest in UFOs since the closure of Project Bluebook'.
Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnAZYXe6klE
"What I saw defied all logic and was, quite frankly, extraordinary. It wasn't just me, more than 30 pairs of eyes of RAF staff and radar operators at Heathrow Airport witnessed the same thing. I instantly knew this wasn't a convoy of military planes -the only craft with that rate of climb were supersonic lightning aircraft but they wouldn't have been able to hold such a perfect formation".
RAF Wing Commander Alan Turner (MBE).
Cheers.
Quote from: karl 12 on November 29, 2014, 06:16:47 AM
Never trusted that guy mate - always came across as a bit shifty to me. :)
Well DUH!!! He was the Head Shifty of the Aviary and likely MJ-01
Col John Alexander,- "Penguin" Aviary
But he DID say "BTW we track them [UFO's] on satellite" 8)
QuoteAlso thought this quote from good old Jacques was a relevant one.
Jacques Vallee Ph.D. - "Partridge" Aviary
Jacque Vallee was also MJ-07 8)
Just chuck this into the Somamech Delete Pile and burn it as Russo posted this comment in this thread:
QuoteThis makes me remember that Apollo "tuna can" episode where NASA said they lost all the originals and it "appeared" in a abandoned mcdonalds.
Zorgon Posted this:
QuoteYes those are the Lunar Orbiter tapes... they have not found the Apollo tapes yet
We had the scoop on those LO tapes
Recall those times :)
Now with Russo's search term's I got thinking about how Monsanto want to control the food chain and plugged this into google:
QuoteMonsanto aquires lunar tapes pdf
I pulled this PDF up with screenshot below:
(http://aciai.me/i/sQAr.png)
SOURCE:
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ba-1965-0047.ch001
Here is also the screenshot I got from that Search using the word's "Monsanto aquires lunar tapes pdf" :P
(http://aciai.me/i/EkWmD.png)
http://web.anl.gov/PCS/acsfuel/preprint%20archive/Files/07_4_NEW%20YORK_09-63_0001.pdf
Notice the Bacon Fuel LOL
It may seem Monsanto were Farming Pig's for Fuel Cell's at that period of time :o
BTW Karl I love reading your UFO report's mate! :)
Karl and other's I'm sorry about posting this in regards to Monsanto...
But it's kinda interesting that if one PLug's He3 into a search one pull's up Zorgon's thread about on ATS :O
Sorry for segwaying this thread... Truly it was not my intention.
Monsanto The HE3 Connection - Mounds Lab
SOURCE:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread669013/pg1&mem=
Quote from: zorgon on November 29, 2014, 10:23:05 AM
Well DUH!!! He was the Head Shifty of the Aviary and likely MJ-01
Col John Alexander,- "Penguin" Aviary
Ah yes Mr Penguin face -definitely a shifty character mate and The Gut has also done some mighty fine research into Aviary shenanigans on another thread, he also put me on to this (http://ufotrail.blogspot.com.es/2012/05/john-alexander-contradictions-and.html) article which asks quite a few pertinent questions about the chap (also have an extremely hard time swallowing his claims that 'the U.S. Government hasn't been covering anything up when it comes to UFOs' or that there's no official group collecting and studying UFO reports).
Quote from: zorgon on November 29, 2014, 10:23:05 AM
But he DID say "BTW we track them [UFO's] on satellite" 8)
Well would love to see the hard data for that (and I'm sure we do) -he also made this statement which is a very interesting one so maybe he's muddying the waters on purpose - I don't know what's going on really.
Quote"The undeniable reality is that there are a substantial number of multi-sensor UFO cases backed by thousands of credible witnesses. In the physical domain there are many photos, videos, radar tracking, satellite sensor reports, landing traces including depressions and anomalous residual radiation, electromagnetic interference, and confirmed physiological effects. Personal observations have been made both day and night, often under excellent visibility with some at close range. Included are reports from multiple independent witnesses to the same event. Psychological testing of some observers has confirmed their mentally competence. Why is none of this considered evidence?
There are over 3000 cases reported by pilots, some of which include interference with flight controls. On numerous occasions air traffic controllers and other radar operators have noted unexplained objects on their scopes. So too have several astronomers and other competent scientists reported their personal observations. Many military officials from several countries have confirmed multi-sensor observations of UFOs. The most senior air defense officers of Russia, Brazil, Belgium and recently a former Chief of Naval Operations in Chile all have stated that UFOs are real. These cases and comments are a miniscule fraction of the total body of evidence.
Of course they do not constitute irrefutable proof. However, to state there is no evidence suggestive of intelligent extraterrestrial life simply belies the facts. Decades in duration and global in nature, there are too many hard sensor data-points and millions of eyewitnesses to ignore. We certainly can debate the significance of specific data and question whether or not it establishes a causal relationship between the observations and extraterrestrial life. However, it is only through ignorance or pomposity that one can say no evidence exists."
John B. Alexander,Ph.D.
Advisory board for the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS)
Quote from: zorgon on November 29, 2014, 10:23:05 AM
Jacques Vallee Ph.D. - "Partridge" Aviary
Jacque Vallee was also MJ-07 8)
Yes remember your posts on ATS about that Z (Hal Puthoff too) -do you think they're all full of it then? WTF is going on?
* Jacques also says in this vid that satellites tracked UFOs at a Paris observatory but the data was then confiscated and destroyed. :(
See
0:20http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApOIjk8nxcY
Cheers!
Quote from: Somamech on November 29, 2014, 05:06:34 PM
BTW Karl I love reading your UFO report's mate! :)
Ha thanks very much mate - always thought this was a freaky one and as it happened at 'the home to the National Security Agency in Australia' I wonder if some of the lost non-redacted files mentioned it (seems the RAAF Department of Defence were very interested in it).
UFO Hovers Over NSA Base - Australia, October, 1973. (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5132.0)
Also, when it comes to telling porkies the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency did send the NSA a copy of the Tehran UFO documents in 1976 which described the case as "an outstanding report. This case is a classic which meets all the criteria necessary for a valid study of the UFO phenomenon" .. even though the US Government completely denies having any interest whatsoever in the UFO subject since 1969.
Likewise the NSA also received UFO documents from the US Department of Defense in 1980 concerning the Peruvian Air Force trying to intercept and destroy a UFO ('but the vehicle's origin remains unknown' link (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5582.0)) ..even though the US Government completely denies having any interest whatsoever in the UFO subject since 1969.
I suppose if this kind of blatant misrepresentation was about any other subject then everyone would be up in arms about it.
Cheers.
Relevant thread:
NSA UFO Documents Index (http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=5302.0)
What we NEED is a copy of the DoD dictionary...
CANCELLED due to lack of funds = Went black ops
Lost = buried
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Funny thing the other day watching NCIS Gibbs was looking at a Top Secret files of an active case... it was heavily reacted...
It seems the story writers FORGOT that the people at the TOP would see those files UNREDACTED
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Quote from: zorgon on November 30, 2014, 02:45:32 AM
What we NEED is a copy of the DoD dictionary...
CANCELLED due to lack of funds = Went black ops
Lost = buried
8)
Funny thing the other day watching NCIS Gibbs was looking at a Top Secret files of an active case... it was heavily reacted...
It seems the story writers FORGOT that the people at the TOP would see those files UNREDACTED
8)
Having actually generated/handled DIA docs, it all depends on ACCESS & Need to Know. My clearance was pretty damn high and I know there were things that I didn't see.
Not much mind you because I had to proof read and edit docs for the higher ups to read.
Quote from: zorgon on November 30, 2014, 02:45:32 AM
Funny thing the other day watching NCIS Gibbs was looking at a Top Secret files of an active case... it was heavily reacted...
It seems the story writers FORGOT that the people at the TOP would see those files UNREDACTED
8)
Gibbs is not at the TOP. :)