BRAND NEW BOB LAZAR INTERVIEW on Coast2CoastAM 1/23/14
Bob lazar was on Coast2Coast this past Sunday evening with George Knapp hosting Gene Huff was along also. John Lear was supposed to be on but for health reasons he was not on. John Lear I hope and pray you get better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKnR7IO-ePE
Thanks SID...I've been looking for this... ;D
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on November 29, 2014, 03:49:25 AM
Thanks SID...I've been looking for this... ;D
Yes I was shocked when I logged in last evening and no one had posted this. I had it the morning after the show ran. I fell asleep several times during the interview I'm on the east coast.
Bob could solve this whole story if he would take the piece of E115 he claimed to have and showed it to the world. I dont understand why he doesn't do this? Again I don't want people to hammer me saying you skeptic you . No I want confirmation to me its possible this was a controlled leak. Bob show your E115 and that would end this controversy.
And Sgt RR I really enjoy looking at the excellent job you do on the moon structures that you CAD draw over I am happy to be able to supply you with this link my friend. 8)
Thanks for posting Dan,
I am a bit surprised to see Bob doing another long Interview again...its good to listen to what he says after 25 yrs...
cheers... 8)
Quote from: astr0144 on November 29, 2014, 04:55:23 AM
Thanks for posting Dan,
I am a bit surprised to see Bob doing another long Interview again...its good to listen to what he says after 25 yrs...
cheers... 8)
Hey Pete yes this interview here in my opinion was not the best interview Bob has ever done by far I will let you all be the judge. I wish John Lear could had been involved but as you listen Johns health kept him from calling in.
I hope John Lear gets better Johns a legend and many things john said in the past where people said this mans insane have come true. I hope we can get John Lear to participate in this thread he once offered to let me talk to Lazar a few years back.
I would settle for a Phone call I have some questions I would like to ask Bob Lazar. I was one of Lazar largest supporters at one time especially on the old Openmindsforum. I had changed my opinion about the case because of a number of reasons. In any event this story is partially responsible for my pursuit of UFOs and aliens.
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Zorgon did you hear the interview its lengthy I'm interested to get everyones opinion on the interview. I encourage everyone to listen to the interview. By the way That DVD looks like a good buy in my opinion Thanks for the link Z.
The thing is, after 25 yrs, and Bob being away from the UFO scene for many years, I would not expect him to recall or be able to discuss in the same detail as he was did in the earlier days..
But for those who have studied his story and have a good recall of it, it would be interesting to compare what he says now and if some of his facts may vary..
Yes its a real shame that John Lear was not able to be part of the interview...or that is no longer seem to visit or comment on PRC..
I did not know that John had offered for you to meet up with Bob, that would have been very interesting if you had...and would still be great if John was to persuade Bob to meet some of the keen Bob Lazar PRC members who are keen followers of his story and do an interview with him..
Yes it would be ideal if Bob / John could prove that they have some Element 115...it may help prove beyond doubt !
QuoteHey Pete yes this interview here in my opinion was not the best interview Bob has ever done by far I will let you all be the judge. I wish John Lear could had been involved but as you listen Johns health kept him from calling in.
I hope John Lear gets better Johns a legend and many things john said in the past where people said this mans insane have come true. I hope we can get John Lear to participate in this thread he once offered to let me talk to Lazar a few years back.
I would settle for a Phone call I have some questions I would like to ask Bob Lazar. I was one of Lazar largest supporters at one time especially on the old Openmindsforum. I had changed my opinion about the case because of a number of reasons. In any event this story is partially responsible for my pursuit of UFOs and aliens.
Quote from: astr0144 on November 29, 2014, 05:44:29 AM
The thing is, after 25 yrs, and Bob being away from the UFO scene for many years, I would not expect him to recall or be able to discuss in the same detail as he was did in the earlier days..
But for those who have studied his story and have a good recall of it, it would be interesting to compare what he says now and if some of his facts may vary..
Yes its a real shame that John Lear was not able to be part of the interview...or that is no longer seem to visit or comment on PRC..
I did not know that John had offered for you to meet up with Bob, that would have been very interesting if you had...and would still be great if John was to persuade Bob to meet some of the keen Bob Lazar PRC members who are keen followers of his story and do an interview with him..
Yes it would be ideal if Bob / John could prove that they have some Element 115...it may help prove beyond doubt !
When I was very deep into the Lazar case I was at one time supporting John very much so on The Openmindsforum which can be seen in the Archive. What had happened was I noticed a few things that didn't seem right.
So myself and a guy named NIGHTHAWK from England took a whole summer and both looked over everything you could possibly look at Lazar. And we had both come to the same conclusion that the story didn't add up.
I mean I could give some examples but that is not why I posted this interview. So anyway John Lear had messaged me and I believe it was on The old Openmindsforum and Lear said something to the effect of.
"Next time Bob comes out to Las Vegas you could come here and talk to him in person before you go around talking about him" I was very pro lazar and then changed my mind about believing Lazar.
I had never looked into the parts of Bobs story that had been challenged like his Education Credentials and so forth I had thought it was disinfo and paid no attention to it. But I can't help but having many questions for Lazar. I still have many questions to this day about Bob and many others in Ufology.
I noticed some problems in this interview, seems George Knapp and Gene had to lead Bob to some of his answers like George asked if Bob had any memory problems while working at the base. Bob said no he didn't have any memory problems loss of memory. Then Knapp and Huff had corrected him. Bob had said years back that The last 2 times he went to S-4 he could remember getting on The Plane from McCarran International and could remember coming home on the plane and nothing in between. And for that reason he decided to quit the program.
Then there's the story where Bob took Lear Huff and others to Mailbox Road near Area51 to witness the Weds test flights. And The Wackenhut Security came after them. Bob ran out of the car into the desert saying he could not afford to risk being caught. When Wackenhut left them go they drove up the road a bit and picked Bob up. The the Lincoln county sheriff pulled them over on the highway and said why is there 5 people in the car now and when security had you there was only 4?
Well they took everyones ID and held them for about an hour and the next day Dennis Marini called Lazar and said we are coming to pick you up. They took him to Indian Springs in Bobs own Corvette. Bob said they held a gun to his head and threatened him and told him his wife was having an affair with her Pilot Instructor and said that he was no longer allowed to maintain his majestic Clearance and could no longer work on the program. These are major discrepancies. Thats only a few there are more.
Proof somethings going on at Papoose Lake. The following article about a man named Jerry Freeman who was looking for The Lost 49ers. On page 2 you will see the following is said by Jerry Freeman:
"He also discovered what seemed to be a lighted doorway that appeared and disappeared in the darkness of distant Papoose Lake--thought by conspiracy buffs to be the site of an underground hangar where scientists have tried to reverse-engineer a crashed flying saucer."
Link to article 2 pages enjoy.
Page 1
http://articles.latimes.com/1998/mar/25/local/me-32947
Page 2
http://articles.latimes.com/1998/mar/25/local/me-32947/2
It was a fascinating story about Jerry Freeman's expedition...
I assume that was around 1996...7 to 8 years after Bob Lazar's story came out.
Yes I recall him saying that he observed some lights when he reached Papoose Lake...
Shame he did not have any video or photographic evidence..
Im not sure if he claimed to have done two expeditions..
It would certainly have been quite a challenge at his age of 55 yrs...and if I recall he claims he travelled very light with few facilities...No Tent and maybe not even a sleeping bag..
If I recall he took so much water , but also relied upon finding springs on the journey..
That also would make a good movie...!
Hey astr0144
Yes agree I find this information to be incredible if he made the journey there would be no reason to lie about the garage Door closing being Lit up. Very interesting of some of the new information I have learned.
But one must ask themselves how could he possibly get on such a classified area especially in 1998 thats almost exactly 10 years after what Lazar has said. The story is very interesting if anyone knows or has any links to Jerry Freemans story it would be fantastic to see more information.
Quote from: ShotInTheDark on December 06, 2014, 09:32:35 AM
But one must ask themselves how could he possibly get on such a classified area especially in 1998 thats almost exactly 10 years after what Lazar has said.
Well if the area was heavily guarded anyone could see the security. But a crack of light in a dark desert can be seen a long way away. The human eye can spot a candle flame from 30 miles away
Dan,
Have you only recently learned about Jerry Freeman ?
If so I am very surprised...
I thought that you would have been well aware about the story..
I may have some further info with more info somewhere If I can find it...
I believe back in the 1970s..(maybe between 73 to 76) I think that Greenpeace or some similar organisation..actually entered the NTS area and claimed to have walked onto Papoose Lake...But they said that they never noticed any facility in the area..
BUT it was at least 10 years before Bob Lazar made it known..
Im not sure when the S4 facility was supposed to have been built..maybe it did not exist then.. or maybe it was just too well camouflaged ..also it was not known back then for anyone to want to look for it..
QuoteHey astr0144
Yes agree I find this information to be incredible if he made the journey there would be no reason to lie about the garage Door closing being Lit up. Very interesting of some of the new information I have learned.
It maybe that certain areas surrounding or within the NTS / Area 51 range are not really that well secure or guarded..It maybe that only the main entrances that the public are more aware about have all the specialist security equipment...There maybe some ways to approach parts of the area that are not that well covered as they generally are just seen as highly unlikely to be a threat due to the size of the area, that generally the only way one could enter the area undetected would be on foot with no vehicle...and the chances of anyone trying it in the harsh desert conditions would be very unlikely that anyone would try it..or get very far...
so I bet if one was fit and clever enough to attempt it with some knowledge of desert survival.. that they could get in undetected...and evade being noticed...
there are many ways to approach Papoose with many covered valleys and canyons that one can cut thru...but the terrain in certain parts is difficult to overcome and can be very steep..
QuoteWell if the area was heavily guarded anyone could see the security. But a crack of light in a dark desert can be seen a long way away. The human eye can spot a candle flame from 30 miles away
Well lets have a look...
What people forget is that Area 51 is a VERY SMALL section of NTS/Nellis Range
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Wfm_area51_map_en.png/1024px-Wfm_area51_map_en.png)
If you look at the top left of that map you will see Tonopah Test Range. That is unofficially Area 52. Now security? See below the high fence around the entry sign and also notice the bullet holes in that sign. There is very little out here in the Desert that doesn't have bullet holes :P
So security is so tight that you can shoot up their sign :P
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You can also drive out there and watch the Red Flag up close and personal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC6mFlykjmk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC6mFlykjmk
Meanwhile back in Vegas you can go and watch the takeoffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlNuEbZvd8I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlNuEbZvd8I
Might even catch a B-2 landing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyq-E-WA8jI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyq-E-WA8jI
Its not that I didn't know about The Jerry Freeman story its the first I had seen where he had seen what looked like a lit up door close that is very interesting to say the least. I would agree 100% with Zorgon in the darkness of The Desert a light can be seen from miles away.
On April 18, 1983:
Four Greenpeace protesters trespassed on to Papoose Dry Lake.
From what I have learned recently. I would think S-4 was built in either the very late 60s or early 70s.
By the way tonight on The National Geographic channel a new Are51 special will be on. This special was shown months ago in Europe and was controversial to someone enough to postpone the show a number of times which suggests to me something was edited out of the show. And even though it was shown months ago over seas, I cant find it on video anywhere which is very unusual.
Was the show edited for The USA ??
Link to show on Dec 7 2014:
http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/galleries/area-51-the-cia-secret/at/tight-security-2088796/
That maybe another trespass that occurred since the one in the 1970s that I am unaware about..
Again before Bob Lazar made S4 known...
It maybe back then security was much less..
But its another eg where someone entered and claims to have reached Papoose Lake undected..
I wonder how many more may have done so.
There is still the question of the rumour was or is Papoose radiated..and S4 could not exist due to that !.. and in theory..if they had reached it...How may it have effected them..
QuoteOn April 18, 1983:
Four Greenpeace protesters trespassed on to Papoose Dry Lake.
Quote from: astr0144 on December 07, 2014, 05:05:58 PM
There is still the question of the rumour was or is Papoose radiated..and S4 could not exist due to that !.. and in theory..if they had reached it...How may it have effected them..
Well the radiation is mostly below ground. Have a look at this sign on a road into the NTS... see all the security fences?
(http://www.chrispeters.com/images/nts2.jpg)
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Here is the main gate... really high security eh?
(http://www.dreamlandresort.com/trip_reports/p6270_s.jpg)
Take a tour of NTS
http://www.dreamlandresort.com/trip_reports/trip_004.html
Sedan Crater tourist viewing platform
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One of the old bunkers
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It's really not that hard to get onto that area :P
Very hard to fence off miles and miles of desert.
Here is one filed of bomb craters. Yet look at all the buildings around it.
(http://www.microlith.com/FReep/NTS_Craters.jpg)
Also this area is laced with tunnels
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/NTS_-_Big_Explosives_Experimental_Facility.jpg)
Last time I visited Las vegas, I spent a few days exploring around the borders of Area 51 and later touring the main roads around the NTS range and during a visit between Indian Springs upto Mercury.
During my time around Area 51 I did not see anyone obviously with any weapons, guns etc..
But when I was going along the Road upto Indian Springs, I found some small track that I decided to investigate and went down it so far to find a couple of Soldiers at a small barrick like hut with Rifles guarding that particular entrance...
so some parts are guarded were maybe you don't expect it..
BUt there maybe are not that many entrance roads that lead towards Papoose or Area 51 from the southern area...Some parts are the airbase near Indian Springs or further west more the NTS sites where the Mercury entrance is..
Otherwise one may have to hike over some of the mountain terrain to get in undected...as I think most obvious entrances that I noted were either to the Inidian Springs airbase or the lower western NTS range...and many did have cameras at the main entrances...but there is a LOT of land between various entrances or tracks...that Id doubt were monitored..and one would have to travel many miles to get towards Papoose....in difficult terrain.
well, however Papoose Lake/S4 and "Area 51" do not matter anymore, as the really important stuff (and R&D) has been moved elsewhere, since the early-mid 90's
Quote from: HeywoodFloyd on December 07, 2014, 10:28:40 PM
well, however Papoose Lake/S4 and "Area 51" do not matter anymore, as the really important stuff (and R&D) has been moved elsewhere, since the early-mid 90's
Thats exactly what They want you to believe. If that was the case Groom would be closed. It costs an absolute fortune in logistics to keep Groom going and the surrounding secret bases.
Whats been developed out there over the past 20 years you can't see its invisible to the naked eye. The rumour that was started that everything went to Dugway Proving Ground I don't believe for one second.
The only place to view Groom is from Tikaboo and they have put a massive False weather observatory with cameras looking right down on y9ou. They make one feel very uncomfortable especially when they have F15s and F16s buzzing by fully armed.
Check the following video out at starting at around 4:40 you will see the false weather station at Tikaboo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjhDcnDn-Xo
Quote from: astr0144 on December 07, 2014, 08:24:37 PM
Otherwise one may have to hike over some of the mountain terrain to get in undected...as I think most obvious entrances that I noted were either to the Inidian Springs airbase or the lower western NTS range...and many did have cameras at the main entrances...but there is a LOT of land between various entrances or tracks...that Id doubt were monitored..and one would have to travel many miles to get towards Papoose....in difficult terrain.
Well that is the point
99% of looky loos drive up main roads in their car and even Jesse Ventura didn't dare tread past that A51 entry sign A few will try the smaller trails. But any serious desert rat has no problem hiking several miles. Don't forget it IS a desert... hotter than hell during most of the year, scorpions, tarantulas and brown recluse under every rock :P and just about every plant in the desert has spines that will go through your boots
Not a place for the average wanna be UFO funter
Yet with all the hype can you find me ONE case of where anyone was shot for trespassing there?
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Quote from: HeywoodFloyd on December 07, 2014, 10:28:40 PM
well, however Papoose Lake/S4 and "Area 51" do not matter anymore, as the really important stuff (and R&D) has been moved elsewhere, since the early-mid 90's
If that was true they would not have built that GIANT new hanger a few years ago
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Quote from: ShotInTheDark on December 08, 2014, 10:00:52 AMThey make one feel very uncomfortable especially when they have F15s and F16s buzzing by fully armed.
Yes BUT how many have been hauled away, shot or blasted into dust by those jets?
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Revealed: Pentagon's new superspy plane hiding in secret Area 51 hangar(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--UUk3wnTC--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/198kt8ckjraynjpg.jpg)
This is the RQ-180, the Pentagon's new super-spy plane, which has been secretly developed for years. Unlike Lockheed Martin's SR-72 Son of Blackbird, Aviation Week & Space Technology reports that this stealth beast is already flying across the restricted airspace over Area 51. This seems to be its home at the not-so-secret base:
http://sploid.gizmodo.com/revealed-us-new-super-spy-plane-hiding-in-this-secret-1478040067
This is the amazing Lockheed Martin SR-72—the space Blackbird
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Yes, the terrain is quite concerning of the main trails...
I went down one trail in a 4 wheel drive vehicle and ran over a snake that was passing over the track....I noticed it on the last few seconds, but was unable to stop in time...
when I stopped and looked back, to my amazement, I had ran over it but between the wheels...I just missed catching it..and the snake had been at its full length....it was between the tyre tracks ! :) one very lucky snake :D
I have seen scorpions and a tarantula only once before in the USA when I went on a trip down to the bottom of the Grand canyon and was returning towards dark... towards the evening when it starts to cool they come out... that was very scary..
I had a scorpion almost crawl up my shoe... then later I put my rucksack down to get a drink.. and next thing I know, I have a tarantula spider on my rucksack..at this time it was completely dark and I was travelling by flashlight..
...but I had never seen any snakes before which had surprised me..(and id never seen any critters at all on previous trips around Area 51, until that trip on the trail..).
But I would not like to chance being out in the terrain on foot after dark around Area 51... that would be very creepy, especially all alone.
One could travel in twilight, but would have to camp down somewhere as it went completely dark...somewhere in the valleys or canyons..if one could find any sort of cave like covering..
yes you would need some sturdy boots and good clothing with some sort of covering to bed down onto at night..if you did not risk taking a proper tent and sleeping bag...
Quote99% of looky loos drive up main roads in their car and even Jesse Ventura didn't dare tread past that A51 entry sign A few will try the smaller trails. But any serious desert rat has no problem hiking several miles. Don't forget it IS a desert... hotter than hell during most of the year, scorpions, tarantulas and brown recluse under every rock :P and just about every plant in the desert has spines that will go through your boots
No ! Not anything that I am aware of !..
The only thing that I ever recall was seeing a youtube video of two old ladies who drove down the main 13 mile trail of the 375 HW..and they went straight thru the no pass point... then a cameo dude went after them...but I don't know what the outcome was ! Its the only incident that I have been made aware about of anyone deliberately breaking the no go zone !
QuoteYet with all the hype can you find me ONE case of where anyone was shot for trespassing there?
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