I know there is considerable on-going effort here that is related to the moon and its potential for profitable resources. So, I thought this current article would be of interest to some of you to get a feel for what others are thinking about this, as they discuss the associated possibilities.
Fox News - Space.com By Leonard David Published January 12, 2015
The moon may offer pay dirt with a rewarding mother lode of resources, a celestial gift that is literally up for grabs. But what's really there for the taking, and at what cost?
A new assessment of whether or not there's an economic case for mining the moon has been put forward by Ian Crawford, a professor of planetary science and astrobiology at Birkbeck College, London. His appraisal is to appear in a forthcoming issue of the journal Progress in Physical Geography.
Crawford said it's hard to identify any single lunar resource that will be sufficiently valuable to drive a lunar resource extraction industry on its own. Nonetheless, he said the moon does possess abundant raw materials that are of potential economic interest. [Home On the Moon: How to Build a Lunar Colony (Infographic)]
Lunar resources could be used to help build up an industrial infrastructure in near-Earth space, Crawford said, a view shared by space scientist Paul Spudis of the Lunar Planetary Institute and others.
"If the moon's resources are going to be helpful, they are going to be helpful beyond the surface of the moon itself," Crawford said. Still, the overall case for any future payoff from exploiting the moon's resources has yet to be made, Crawford said.
"It's quite complicated," he told Space.com. "It's not simple at all."
More: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2015/01/12/is-moon-mining-economically-feasible/
Thank you for the post. Go here for the original article on Space.com and other related info.
http://www.space.com/
HE3 3 billion metric tons estimated on the surface
The old space shuttle could hold 25 tons
25 tons would power the ENTIRE USA for ONE YEAR
It has been estimated that helium 3 would have a cash value of $5.7 billion a ton in terms of its current energy equivalent to oil at <$40 per barrel oil.
Thorium, Titanium just lying around on the surface in large amounts
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Who is this "Professor" that FOX interviewed? LOL
"It's quite complicated," he told Space.com. "It's not simple at all."
No it is very simple... if we don't get our ass up there CHINA will
I ask you is this the direction we humans should be heading in ?
We start off raping mother earth of her resources and we take it to the Extreme now our technology has ADVANCED we are looking at our MOON and if it makes economic sense WE WILL START RAPING HER IF WE HAVE NOT ALREADY ....
Eventually we WILL use most of what is available considering the current population size and the rate at which we consume minerals and other stuffs WHAT THEN ?
Do we head in the direction of a NOMADIC SPECIES roaming space forever on the lookout for THINGS TO EXPLOIT !!!
I suggest we find ways to AVOID THIS .....
The commercialization of space is an absolute enivability! The question is are gigantic companies like Weyland Yutani etal corner the action? Or should the average human being get a chance at the action? Humans are animals and the fastest will win. Speed kills.
And I disagree that the Earth has been raped. It is a living entity that is constantly evolving/changing. As long as the sun doesn't go super nova, it will continue to refresh its self. Man thinks to much of himself.
Just because we 'can' get resources from the moon does not mean we 'should'
Also, can the moon revive itself like Mother Earth has been able to do over the thousands of years?
Man is a greedy animal that only thinks of the money aspect (profitability) that he can gain
Strip mine the moon?
Who da thunk that....LOL
All through history man finds out 'after the fact' of doing something the consequences, and not all of it good
Is this something thought out or are they just eyeballing the possibility of uranium and other resources--wanting to beat another country to it
HEY....in the case of more than one country going for this, who claims dibs on the rights to the moon??
Just curious
Quote from: Senona on January 14, 2015, 11:49:36 AM
Just because we 'can' get resources from the moon does not mean we 'should'
Also, can the moon revive itself like Mother Earth has been able to do over the thousands of years?
Man is a greedy animal that only thinks of the money aspect (profitability) that he can gain
Strip mine the moon?
Who da thunk that....LOL
All through history man finds out 'after the fact' of doing something the consequences, and not all of it good
Is this something thought out or are they just eyeballing the possibility of uranium and other resources--wanting to beat another country to it
HEY....in the case of more than one country going for this, who claims dibs on the rights to the moon??
Just curious
Do a little more reading here on Pegasus and you'll find out who has dibs on the moon. Search for 'UMLR' and you'll find the rest of the story.
Universal Minerals Leases Registry/ROC/Galactic Resource Management (Ron, John and ME ;D)..
and as a side note you don't need to strip mine the moon for H3. Short answer, you just scrape the regolith down about 3 ft., Heat it, let it fall, scope it up....
I have a video on here somewhere that shows you how to do it. If not Google Galactic Research Mangement website on WIX. I have a video page there that explains it.
Is this not the same as the Anunnaki coming to earth and mining our gold?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv2ckTm2OW4
Hey if it looks expensive to transport metals from the moon, I would suggest listing it on Shipping Wars. Some one will bid next to nothing to do it!
http://www.uship.com/shippingwars/
Looks like China is in the race!!
http://www.inquisitr.com/1754279/helium-3-china-intends-to-strip-mine-the-moon-to-solve-worlds-energy-problems/ (http://www.inquisitr.com/1754279/helium-3-china-intends-to-strip-mine-the-moon-to-solve-worlds-energy-problems/)
Quote from: simon_alex0327 on January 14, 2015, 06:16:45 PM
Looks like China is in the race!!
http://www.inquisitr.com/1754279/helium-3-china-intends-to-strip-mine-the-moon-to-solve-worlds-energy-problems/ (http://www.inquisitr.com/1754279/helium-3-china-intends-to-strip-mine-the-moon-to-solve-worlds-energy-problems/)
You guys really need to read a little more on this site.
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/forum/index.php?topic=7352.0
I commend Sgt RocknRoll
His post is CORRECT in the sense that mother Earth is ever evolving but i ask YOU ALL at the rate at which we are drilling ALL OVER THE WORLD how long do you think oil will LAST ? I have not checked how oil the human race consumes worldwide in 1 day ..... let alone 1 year ... This cannot go on FOREVER surely could there come a DAY when we may need to start converting to another fuel type say Helium 3 ... if that day ARRIVES the moon had BETTER LOOK OUT ..... cause althought there may be mining ops already they could end up being severely accelerated .... im just a simple welder so im not claiming to know exactly what im talking about but here in the oil capital of Europe ever since i was 16 and i start my apprenticeship i was told to male the MOST OF IT because they all said THE OIL WONT LAST 4EVER !!!!!!
I am Glad i am back here the threads are well laid out ......
Zorgon is doing a FINE JOB ......
I work for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. We currently have 728 million barrels of crude in the ground. There are other reserves around the world. Ours can run the U.S. Gov. For 3 days. 3 DAYS! There are vast oil deposits that are still available and will last for a very long time. BUT Oil will not last forever. We need and unlimited source of clean energy. H3 fusion should be the answer and its waiting for us to take it!
Quote from: Senona on January 14, 2015, 11:49:36 AM
Just because we 'can' get resources from the moon does not mean we 'should'
Well lets look at your 'logic' :P
Everyone here on Earth is screaming at the Oil Barons to stop frcking up the planet. I hear constant whining about 'alternatibe energy" "green energy" "free energy" thta da gubment is withholding from us On and on it goes
Then when we discover materials on the Moon that could solve all of mankinds energy needs for the next 10,000 years with an efficient clean burning fuel that produces NO WASTE along comes those same people screaming
LEAVE THE MOON ALONE
LOL
Thorium is all over the surface of the moon in the dust, so is Titanium. But there is HE3 by the million tons. 25 tons a mere single shuttle load can power the entire USA for 1 year. HE3 fusion requires a piece of cardboard for shielding and leaves no radioactive waste
HE3 fusion confinement units are small and portable and would be pretty close to those Mr Fusion things you see in Back to the Future
Your welcome to your opinion but your barking up the wrong tree here :P
Quote from: micjer on January 14, 2015, 01:24:33 PM
Hey if it looks expensive to transport metals from the moon, I would suggest listing it on Shipping Wars. Some one will bid next to nothing to do it!
One thing I have noticed is that although people seek the answers rarely do they look :P
The transport system is ALREADY in place.
Remember my test? Remember the heavy lifters that were mentioned? Remember the Aquila Cargo Transport?
Remember the LIQUID version of that Cargo Ship?
Method of Delivering Lunar Generated Fluid
to Earth Orbit Using an External TankUS PATENT 5,092,545
Publication number: US5092545
Publication date: 1992-03-03
Inventor: BUTTERFIELD ANSEL J (US); GOSLEE JOHN W (US)
Applicant: NASA (US)
ABSTRACT
A method and apparatus are provided for delivering lunar generated fluid to Earth orbit from lunar orbit. Transport takes place in an external tank of a shuttle which has been suitably outfitted in Earth orbit for reusable travel between Earth orbit and a lunar orbit. The outfitting of the external tank includes the adding of an engine, an electrical system, a communication system, a guidance system, an aerobraking device, and a plurality of interconnected fluid storage tanks to the hydrogen and oxygen tanks of the external tank. The external tank is then propelled to lunar orbit the first time using Earth based propellant. In lunar orbit, the storage tanks are filled with the lunar generated fluid with the remainder tank volumes filled with lunar generated liquid oxygen and hydrogen which serve as propellants for returning the tank to Earth orbit where the fluid is off-loaded. The remaining lunar generated oxygen and hydrogen is then sufficient to return the external tank to lunar orbit so that a subsequent cycle of fluid delivery is repeated. A space station in a higher Earth orbit is preferably used to outfit the external tank, and a lunar node in lunar orbit is used to store and transfer the fluid and liquid oxygen and hydrogen to the external tank. The lunar generated fluid is preferably 3He.
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Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on January 14, 2015, 12:37:52 PM
Do a little more reading here on Pegasus and you'll find out who has dibs on the moon. Search for 'UMLR' and you'll find the rest of the story.
My apologies...just joined last night and haven't made my way through all the threads
Will make time to read up on it
No need for apology. Didn't mean to sound harsh, not my intention. Sometimes I come across like a hard azz, but everyone here will tell you I'm a lovable puddy cat. ;D
Quote from: zorgon on January 15, 2015, 01:33:17 AM
Well lets look at your 'logic' :P
Everyone here on Earth is screaming at the Oil Barons to stop frcking up the planet. I hear constant whining about 'alternatibe energy" "green energy" "free energy" thta da gubment is withholding from us On and on it goes
Then when we discover materials on the Moon that could solve all of mankinds energy needs for the next 10,000 years with an efficient clean burning fuel that produces NO WASTE along comes those same people screaming
LEAVE THE MOON ALONE
LOL
Thorium is all over the surface of the moon in the dust, so is Titanium. But there is HE3 by the million tons. 25 tons a mere single shuttle load can power the entire USA for 1 year. HE3 fusion requires a piece of cardboard for shielding and leaves no radioactive waste
HE3 fusion confinement units are small and portable and would be pretty close to those Mr Fusion things you see in Back to the Future
Your welcome to your opinion but your barking up the wrong tree here :P
I never said leave the moon alone
And the HE3 being like coal, once it's gone, that's it
Of course, if there's a chance of uranium being there, well they won't hesitate to acquire that
I was merely inquiring if all possibilities have been looked into regarding messing with the moon (pros vs. con)
Also was wondering if anyone thought of any kind of negative problems that may occur later on down the road in the future
Not in our life time but for those to come after us
Sorry if I'm 'barking up the wrong tree'
These thoughts, as stupid as they may sound, are just that....thoughts
Quote from: Sgt.Rocknroll on January 15, 2015, 02:50:15 AM
No need for apology. Didn't mean to sound harsh, not my intention. Sometimes I come across like a hard azz, but everyone here will tell you I'm a lovable puddy cat. ;D
No, you weren't harsh ...just letting me know where I can find more info on the topic
Which I do appreciate :)
The truth is that we are most likely already MINING ......
These threads sure are interesting ;D
Moon for sale? US government says Bigelow Aerospace could set up lunar base with land rights
The United States government has taken a tentative step towards allowing commercial development of the moon (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/us-government-encouraging-commercial-development-moon-1486457) by private companies.
In a letter to Bigelow Aerospace (http://bigelowaerospace.com/), the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) said the company could set up one of its proposed inflatable habitats on the moon, and expect to have exclusive rights to that territory - as well as related areas that might be tapped for mining, exploration and other
However, the letter did note that "the national regulatory framework, in its present form, is ill-equipped to enable the US government to fulfill its obligations" under the 1967 United Nations Outer Space treaty, which, in part, governs activities on the moon.
The UN treaty requires countries to authorise and supervise activities of non-government entities that are operating in space, including the moon. It also bans nuclear weapons in space, prohibits national claims to celestial bodies and stipulates that space exploration and development should benefit all countries.
The FAA letter's author George Nield said: "We didn't give [Bigelow Aerospace] a licence to land on the moon. We're talking about a payload review that would potentially be part of a future launch license request. But it served a purpose of documenting a serious proposal for a US company to engage in this activity that has high-level policy implications."
read on: :arrow: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/moon-sale-us-government-says-bigelow-aerospace-could-set-lunar-base-land-rights-1486458 (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/moon-sale-us-government-says-bigelow-aerospace-could-set-lunar-base-land-rights-1486458)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94rEqHP9dOQ
Moon opens for business with new U.S. process
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The United States government has taken a new, though preliminary, step to encourage commercial development of the moon.
According to documents obtained by Reuters, U.S. companies can stake claims to lunar territory through an existing licensing process for space launches.
Mars, the moon and other off-Earth spots for space tourists
The Federal Aviation Administration, in a previously undisclosed late-December letter to Bigelow Aerospace, said the agency intends to "leverage the FAA's existing launch licensing authority to encourage private sector investments in space systems by ensuring that commercial activities can be conducted on a non-interference basis."
'We recognize the private sector's need to protect its assets and personnel on the moon or on other celestial bodies.'
- FAA letter to Bigelow Aerospace
In other words, experts said, Bigelow could set up one of its proposed inflatable habitats on the moon, and expect to have exclusive rights to that territory - as well as related areas that might be tapped for mining, exploration and other activities.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/moon-opens-for-business-with-new-u-s-process-1.2942920
In otherworrds
The FAA has officially said they have no jurisdiction and that if you can stake the claim it is YOURS
Only problem is Bigelow already has spaceships we don't yet
George Knapp posted on my Facebook timeline yesterday...
A few months ago, Bob allowed me the first look at some things he has cooking at his aerospace plant here. My jaw dropped. This news is only part of what he's got in the works.
We will know a lot more in the very near future about Bob's plans. That's all I'm going to say right now.
U.S. Encourages Commercial Development of the Moon
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The U.S. government said it has taken a new, though preliminary step to encourage commercial development of the moon.
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) said on Wednesday in Washington that U.S. companies can stake claims to lunar territory through an existing licensing process for space launches.
It said in a letter to Bigelow Aerospace, that the agency intends to "leverage the FAA's existing launch licensing authority to encourage private sector investments in space systems by ensuring that commercial activities can be conducted on a non-interference basis."
Experts say, Bigelow could set up one of its proposed inflatable habitats on the moon, and expect to have exclusive rights to that territory as well as related areas that might be tapped for mining, exploration and other activities.
However, the FAA letter noted a concern flagged by the U.S. State Department that "the national regulatory framework, in its present form, was ill-equipped to enable the U.S. government to fulfill its obligations" under a 1967 UN treaty, which, in part, governs activities on the moon.
The UN Outer Space treaty, in part, requires countries to authorise and supervise activities of non-government entities that are operating in space, including the moon.
It also bans nuclear weapons in space, prohibits national claims to celestial bodies and stipulates that space exploration and development should benefit all countries.
George Nield, Associate Administrator for the FAA's Office of Commercial Transportation, has denied giving Bigelow Aerospace, a license to land on the moon.
He said government was only considering a payload review that would potentially be part of a future launch license request.
http://www.bellanaija.com/2015/02/04/u-s-encourages-commercial-development-of-the-moon/