When I first got into research a few years ago, ufology seemed to be at a peak. Now it seems to have disappeared or is no longer an important subject or at least it's not in the forefront on alternative news or forums. I went back to UFOTV channel to brush up and those things I had forgotten. I look at our technological advancement and wonder how things really have gotten that advanced. I suspect we are probably much further than the general public realizes. Going back to areas on the livingmoon site will be refreshing.
Are there still sightings happening? I guess I need to dig deeper to find where sightings are taking place. My curiosity is still there and I have this need to find out what is going on. It seems UFOLOGY has been cheapened by commercialization and kooks embellishing their stories. Where is the truth I say?
Sorry to ramble but I wonder..............
Quote from: spacemaverick on February 13, 2015, 06:46:58 AM
When I first got into research a few years ago, ufology seemed to be at a peak. Now it seems to have disappeared or is no longer an important subject or at least it's not in the forefront on alternative news or forums.
Well there are several factors to consider..
1) WHO told us that UFO's were Aliens? All the early sightings were of the same general style as the NAZI UFO's At the time 50' and 60's) we hadn't seen all the NAZI UFO material yet, now it's all over the internet
2) Then we get the Visitors George Admaki, Billy Meier, Howard Menger even Lobsang Rampa all tell us of visitors from VENUS All of them are human looking Then there is Valient Thor and his siblings Donn and Jill Again clean cut looking white humans, We also have "The Day the Earth Stood Still: 1951 Again white human from Venus
3) Where did the "Little Green Men" come from? They are in our cartoons "Marvin the Martian", "The Great Gazoo" but where did they come from? No mention in Ancient Aliens Most of those were white gods
4) When did the "Little Green Men" become "The Grays"
5) Then we see the Hanebu saucers disappear and the Triangle come in. At the same time our Military is making triangle craft, again originally from the NAZI
cont.....
QuoteAre there still sightings happening? I guess I need to dig deeper to find where sightings are taking place. My curiosity is still there and I have this need to find out what is going on.
Most sightings today that are not outright hoaxes fall into the orb/glowing balls of light/shapeshifting blob category
Now those have been here all along They called them Foo Fighters in WWII, We call them Critters as they swarmed the STS-75 teather The very term Critter was coined in 1954 by Trevor Constable and backed by Wilhiem Reich
But these are not Alien space craft. They are plasma life forms native to earth. Many scientists are starting to realise this Just google Plasma Life Forms....
They are the ones that appear and disappear, they change shape like an amoeba, and they can flit around like lightning with no inertia effects. They usually are seen just flittering around the skys with no real purpose, near power lines, near thunder storms, near tethers and near nuke plants. Their EM field likely triggered that nuke base shut down in the 60's Our equipment was not EM proof at the time and it would have triggered an automatic shut down.
Why would an Alien come billions of miles in droves just to flit around our skies sucking up some power? If they can do that we are a long way off the beaten track for a fuel stop :P that they could get easier out there.
My estimate is 80%ish are the critter type (Denise Stoner, ex government investiogator now director of MUFOM Florida agrees but she says 50% though she also allows other paranormal events to be explained by critters); 15%ish are our black ops (I include ALL the triangles in this... they are a human develpoment) and 5%ish are the true visitors
I believe we had a huge visitation in the 50's that lasted into the 60's. I have a hunch that Venus was not the home world They just used that as more believable in the day I do have a remote viewing paper at a look on Venus that scared the crap out of the viewers (the team captain was an ex PsiTech employee who started his own co) I will put that up soon
Since then the other true visitors have been few and far between in my opinion. Certainly not in any large numbers,
We HAVE disclosure already but people don't believe it...
1) ALL the government agencies around the world have released their UFO files online. That is PROOF POSITIVE that they did in fact study this phenomena all those years they denied it.
2) Almost all those agencies have closed their files and office because they say "THE UFO's POSE NO THREAT" Well so far no UFO has attacked ANYONE so they are correct. How are they positive? Simple
a) they know that the vast majority are CRITTERS Curious but harmless once we beefed up EM protection and b) they have a deal with the true visitors that they trust
The ONLY other option is c) there are no Aliens :P but no one will believe that
cont...
The very fact that NASA has a HUGE critter on their mission control screen is proof enough that they know... and Jim Oberg himself linked me to a paper from NASA in 1966 studying the "Plasma Phenomena that plague their space craft)
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Critter/bb261ab621b502c6.gif)
Even Star Trek told us this back in the 60's
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Critter/b_amoeba.jpg)
Quote from: spacemaverick on February 13, 2015, 06:46:58 AM
I went back to UFOTV channel to brush up and those things I had forgotten. I look at our technological advancement and wonder how things really have gotten that advanced. I suspect we are probably much further than the general public realizes.
They are about 30-50 years ahead of what they show us. We have shown this many times At ATS we told people about a secret space plane. We were called crazy... by the usual cabal of uber debunkers. Well then an amatuer satellite watcher spotted it and NASA published that on Space Weather,,, and suddenly those skeptics are talking about the secret space plane like they had always known
Fvrktards :P
However one of those skeptics. IgnoreTheFacts started out his usual hounding of John and I until I mentioned MISTY He then wrote me letters (he had gotten banned for being so nasty) and we talked. He asked me why I believe in John's BS Well I told him... in detail with documents, Long story short turns out HE applies the stealth coating that Dr Resnick invented to these secret space planes. (Yes I was able to verify he was telling me the truth, he even gave me the coating manufacturer) His dad had worked directly with Reagan on the Star Wars program and yes they HAVE several space stations up there
Now recently the NAVY posted a video on Youtube of a drone being shot down by a LASER on a ship... THIS one....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5qKSKsfUPM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5qKSKsfUPM
That footage looks like its from the 70's :P
Well... turns out that Popular Science published THIS article in 1972
ARCHIVE GALLERY: THE TWENTIETH CENTURY'S BEST-KEPT MILITARY SECRETS(http://www.popsci.com/sites/popsci.com/files/styles/medium_1x_/public/import/2013/images/2010/09/laser2.jpg?itok=ESmifw3_)
Laser Weapons: March 1972Although military applications of lasers were kept largely a secret, we published an article that pieced together bits of information to conclude that laser radiation weapons would soon reach perfection. We reported that military researchers had used a laser beam to shoot down a drone. Additionally, the Air Force thought it possible to build a space-based laser system that would guide missiles into targeted countries. Military planners also cooked up a laser defense system, which would disable incoming missiles in just seconds. Just nine years later, however, President Reagan's controversial Strategic Defense Initiative ("Star Wars") would research lasers as defensive weapons and test concepts for an X-ray laser beam.
Read the full story in "Laser Weapons
They reprinted that September 2006 (the link below)
http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-09/archive-gallery-historys-best-kept-military-secrets/?image=6
QuoteGoing back to areas on the livingmoon site will be refreshing.
Bear in mind I am trying to update and reorganize the site and get the donation buttons workin :D
QuoteIt seems UFOLOGY has been cheapened by commercialization and kooks embellishing their stories. Where is the truth I say?
Sadly it is the believers fault... they WANT to believe so bad they will take any old garbage as real and pay for it. Guys like Greer feed on that and get rich while those of us that bring truth and verifiable research are broke.
When you attack the Charlatans the Believers then turn on you and call you shill, disinfo agent and have the gall to say "Wake up dude, do some research"
I would love to sell seats to invisible space ship watching and tell them to use their inner Chakra to contact Navy Flares... I just can't do it ... so my Ferrets starve :P
The fake Mayan/Aztec stones showing Aliens and star gates that were found in Ecuadaor/Gautamala/Mexico... even National Geo gave Nassim Haramein air time on those. I cannot compete with professional scam artists
These guys have the gift of gab same as Hitler did... Truth alone is irrelevant the believers just lap it up, no matter that there is ZERO dig site/source/provinence on the stones that don't even remotely look like Mayan/Aztec art
It just doesn't matter... "Never let the TRUTH get in the way of a good story" __ Mark Twain
Quote from: zorgon on February 13, 2015, 07:02:40 AM
3) Where did the "Little Green Men" come from? They are in our cartoons "Marvin the Martian", "The Great Gazoo" but where did they come from? No mention in Ancient Aliens Most of those were white gods
I suggest this site (http://caubeck.tripod.com/littlegreenmen/index.html). :)
The craze probably came partly from Ray Palmer's pulp fiction along with a lot of the UFO mythos. Phil Coppens covered some of that.
The Man Who Invented Flying Saucers By John A. Keel (http://www.thejinn.net/man_who_invented_flying_saucers.htm)
QuoteBut the man responsible for the most well-known of all such modern myths - flying saucers - has somehow been forgotten. Before the first flying saucer was sighted in 1947, he suggested the idea to the American public. Then he converted UFO reports from what might have been a Silly Season phenomenon into a subject, and kept that subject alive during periods of total public disinterest. His name was Raymond A. Palmer.
http://www.thejinn.net/man_who_invented_flying_saucers.htm
(http://www.thejinn.net/images/fate1.jpg)
(http://www.thejinn.net/images/amzsep61.jpg)
My opinion? Well I have seen a craft that is not conventionally powered and it wasn't a saucer. Saucer sightings are something I have almost never come across speaking to witnesses in the UK in modern times. The question is what were all the sightings during the 1947 wave if they were not saucers?
QuoteIn June, 1956, a major four-day symposium on UFOs was held in Washington, D.C. It was unquestionably the most important UFO affair of the 1950s and was attended by leading military men, government officials and industrialists. Men like William Lear, inventor of the Lear Jet, and assorted generals, admirals and former CIA heads freely discussed the UFO "problem" with the press. Notably absent were Ray Palmer and Donal Keyhoe [sic]. One of the results of the meetings was the founding of the National Investigation Committee on Aerial Phenomena (NICAP) by a physicist named Townsend Brown. Although the symposium received extensive press coverage at the time, it was subsequently censored out of UFO history by the UFO cultists themselves - primarily because they had not participated in it.
http://www.thejinn.net/man_who_invented_flying_saucers.htm
Interestingly....
QuoteWhen David Michael Jacobs wrote The UFO Controversy in America, a book generally regarded as the most complete history of the UFO maze, he chose to completely revise the history of the 1940s and 50s, carefully excising any mention of Palmer, the 1956 symposium, and many of the other important developments during that period
http://www.thejinn.net/man_who_invented_flying_saucers.htm
I sense that Palmer's influence on UFOlogy is an embarrassment to the "party line" in certain circles. Read the article Astro. ;)
Quote from: ArMaP on February 13, 2015, 12:17:01 PM
I suggest this site (http://caubeck.tripod.com/littlegreenmen/index.html). :)
Wow what a mess that site is but yeah good info I will snag some of that.
Yes I have all the Edgar Rice series.. and the Gor novels :D but this one is the clincher
(http://caubeck.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/1908lgmmartians.jpg)
Sure we had the Little Leprichauns of Earth but they only wore green :D and we had Osiris the green God (and likely alien :P ) of Egypt
So now when did they turn from GREEN to GRAY
Quote from: zorgon on February 13, 2015, 07:42:24 PM
So now when did they turn from GREEN to GRAY
With colour TV? They probably thought they didn't look good in green. ;D
I think its important to trace the connections of how we came to our current views and terminology of UFO's It makes it easier to study what we see
As example in religion, today Cherubim are fat little babies with angel wings, but back in Solomon's time they were huge Sphinx like creatures.
So anyone that is just an average person with no real research background or desire to look, will assume Cherubs have always been cute fat baby angels and thus miss the correlation between Cherubs and the GP Sphinx
Same with the UFO mythos... Our perception of what a Martian looks like from the early Sci Fi greats influences us to see Little Green Men from Mars... so the cartoon artists passed that along to our kids even though Marvin is black and only wears green like the Leprechauns :D
Little Green Men was always the focus of ridicule by debunkers and they still make blow up aliens in green
The saucer designs same thing Did the aliens really have ships like that or were we seeing old Nazi tech? There was a base on the Canada US border in the direction those first flying saucers came from where they later showed us that joke that was the Avrocar :D But at the time in Canada people were convinced we were working on secret NAZI craft out there
I traced all that before the internet but a lot of my old notes are gone.
I suppose it doesn't help that the NAZI supposedly got their ideas from aliens on Alderan by channeling :D and Tesla supposedly had alien contact at some point
Quote from: ArMaP on February 13, 2015, 07:47:34 PM
With colour TV? They probably thought they didn't look good in green. ;D
Ha ha :P
Gray aliensGray aliens or grays are a race of alleged extraterrestrials common in the folklore of ufology. In recent decades grays have become ubiquitous in popular culture, and are probably the single most widely-recognized visualization of an alien life form.
Grays are particularly popular in the USA, and to a lesser extent other English-speaking countries. In other parts of the world, such as Latin America, ET sightings often take a different guise. However, with globalisation, grays have begun to spread.
So Grays are and American invention :P
Development of the gray image
(http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/thumb/8/8c/Ufoincident.jpg/250px-Ufoincident.jpg)
One of the aliens depicted in The UFO Incident, based on the alleged abduction experience of Betty and Barney Hill.
Amongst the possible ancestors of the grays in the annals of alleged alien sightings are the two green-skinned beings that Professor R.L. Johannis claimed to have seen in August 14, 1947 - although it is important to note that the earliest known documentation of this incident is from 1964. The creatures described by Johannis had green skin, perfectly round eyes and caps which made it unclear as to whether or not they had hair, but the large heads, blank, bulging eyes and squat, skinny frames clearly suggest the gray image.
The Roswell incident from shortly beforehand has since become firmly entangled with the image of the gray - indeed, some people refer to grays as "Roswell aliens". This connection appears to date from 1950, when Ray L. Dimmick reportedly claimed to have seen the inhabitant of the Roswell saucer, a man of about 25 inches tall with a disproportionately large head (he later denied seeing it and said that he'd been misquoted). Shortly after Dimmick's story was first reported, the German paper Wiesbadener Tageblatt ran an April fool's joke involving a faked photo of two men in military uniforms alongside a small, bulbous-headed alien. The UFO magazine Magonia has cited this as the first visual portrayal of a gray, but stresses that it is unlikely to have been a major influence on the American public's imagination as it appears to have been unknown in the US until it was reprinted in a 1980 book, The Roswell Incident.
The next key stage in the development of the gray appears to have been the alleged alien abduction of Betty and Barney Hill; this supposedly occured in 1961, although the Hills did not begin giving details of their captors until they began undergoing hypnosis in 1963. Their account was self-contradictory - for example, Barney mentioned one of the aliens grinning at him, but later claimed that none of them had mouths - but a general picture emerged of bald creatures with rudimentary facial features. In 1967 artist David Baker collaborated with Barney to create some images of the aliens; the resulting pictures clearly depict the popular image of the gray, with the notable exception of the eyes. Instead of being large and opaque, the eyes of the Hill aliens are narrow, with visible pupils, and wrap around to the sides of the head. Skeptics have noted that the Hills' aliens bear a noticable resemblence to the "Bifrost", a fictional alien from an episode of The Outer Limits that aired during the period that the Hills were undergoing hypnosis; indeed, it could be argued that the Hill aliens mark a transitional phase between the Outer Limits alien (which is rather obviously a man in a mask) and the modern image of the gray.
In 1975 NBC aired a TV movie about the Hills, entitled The UFO Incident. In this portrayal, the aliens were, unmistakably, ancestors of the grays of popular imagination today, complete with dark, almond-shaped eyes - albeit a little smaller than in more recent depictions. Two years later Steven Spielberg's blockbuster Close Encounters of the Third Kind was released; this film went for a similar look with its childlike aliens, only with more convincing special effects.
1987 saw the publication of Whitley Strieber's book Communion, an account of his alleged alien encounter two years previously. The cover depicted a fully-formed example of a gray: the enormous, slanted black eyes are now firmly in place. The book was filmed in 1989.
The image of the gray appears to have become cemented in popular culture in the nineties. The X-Files, which began in 1993, used grays, and by the end of the decade grays were familiar enough to be parodied in the first episode of South Park, which aired in 1997.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gray_aliens
I look at Vimanas...some of the history in India...evidence it seems of a civilization right here on earth that was advanced as far as air transportation..weaponry and the like and wonder. There is so much here on earth but not having the expertise in the area of archaeology, possible early aliens etc...I see things that I believe are not made up. It's like it is right in your face...hidden in plain sight so to speak. Even reading the Bible along with other texts you find chariots of fire etc...mentioned. Of course different eras of people would describe what they see in their own vernacular.
Maybe in order to understand what is going on I need to look at the past to a greater extent.
This is the video that got me started again....I can provide the link....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI7g6XUq8hk
Video by UFOTV
Quote from: spacemaverick on February 13, 2015, 09:04:41 PM
I look at Vimanas...some of the history in India...evidence it seems of a civilization right here on earth that was advanced as far as air transportation..weaponry and the like and wonder. There is so much here on earth but not having the expertise in the area of archaeology, possible early aliens etc...I see things that I believe are not made up.
My research started with Ancient Aliens and over the years I saw the evidence pointing more towards Lost civilizations of Earth From the Rosicrucian and Tibetan thinking we are the 5th civilization The 1st was a race of giants. I still need to get all that posted I wish I had an assistant here
But all along I keep getting pointed back to the stars and particularly the star gates. (Ladder to Heaven Rainbow Bridge to Valhalla, Gateway to the Gods Etc) Over and over the ancient mtyhs and religions point the way to PORTALS
So those we called gods in the old days came from SOMEWHERE likely by portal and built ships locally. Then came the wars
Now here is the problem. If we are the 5th civilization, where is all the EVIDENCE? Surely something would have survived?
When you really look round you DO find such evidence... things like surgical steel scalpels found in a 5000 year old grave... a cube of stainless steel found in a bed of coal... etc
Modern Archaeologist will hide artifacts that don't fit their theory (like the Baghdad batteries that have no been stolen again) Some were caught destroying footprints in Paluxy while these prints were revealed at a symposium. Who knows what they have hidden in that big warehouse we saw in Indiana Jones (Yes it is real and owned by the Smithsonian) Who knows what has been destroyed to cover the true history? Since we (amateurs) are forbidden by law to dig at most sites (even fossils of dinosaurs) there is no way to know
We see Ancient Megaliths all around the world that we now date Pre Inca yet the construction (the interlocking puzzle blocks of huge stones that form the foundations of many sites) all over the world
Until recently NO ONE looked for that Brien Forster is going around the world specifically seeking these out, It didn't fit with main stream archaeology so they didn't present it Same with the elongated skulls... we only saw a few examples and were told it was head binding
Well now there are thousands of these skulls associated with these ancient puzzle blocks. Yes some were from head binding. likely because the natives wanted to look like the gods(ancient ones) but the new finds are showing that the real elongated skulls have TWO bones not the THREE that is the standard human skull
The other factor is TIME We are getting more and more discoveries that push the clock back like Goebeki Tepi (12,000 years)
Its been 400 million or so years since the Dinosaurs Lots of time for many civilizations to have come and gone
Lets look at our cities. Lets say we all died off suddenly or left earth,,, left our cities vacant
How long before its all gone? The GP was a solid mountain of rock so it survived but even it was stripped of stone for new houses. Our building of wood and plaster left unattended would not last long. Same with our towers of glass and steel. As the windows break the water gets in and rusts the steel dissolves the concrete a 1000 years? what will be left?
If there are any survivors they would use every scrap of metal and any other item they can scrounge until it was gone, used up, worn to nothing 10,000 years what is now left? Maybe some new chief gets buried with his prize possession, a set of scalpels found in a hospital he has coveted and protected
The buildings crumble the wood is long rotted away, the drywall is gone in years as it is water degradable. Concrete and cement 50-100 years some of the modern polymers a bit longer The glass fragments to small bits or melts into blobs in the hot sand All over the Nevada desert the country side sparkles with bits of glass from only 100 years ago 100,000 years what is left?
Now new civilizations start to form They collect all bits of metal and reform them into tools etc Soon nothing much is left save the odd items that get missed or buried. But the land is ever changing, The top of Mt Everest once was a seaside resort... there are seashells at the top of the Himalayan Mountains... once beach front property until tectonic plates pushed them to their current height
Volcanoes, weather, floods, earthquakes, mudslides the Earth buries its past leaving only rare and hard to find traces. Even plastic eventually breaks down Here in the desert sun plastic exposed to the sun goes brittle and falls apart in a very short time 1,000,000 years what is left?
So we have a lot of room for many past civilizations either ancients that crew up here or visitors from other world by ship or portal
You have seen mine and Beth's collection of gate material There is still more I haven't posted yet I gave up really because it takes me a lot of time to collect and process this and present it in an orderly fashion
It is almost impossible to compete with the charlatans these days let alone the skeptics and I find I waste a lot of time following up on a good story that turns out to be a hoax
QuoteIt's like it is right in your face...hidden in plain sight so to speak. Even reading the Bible along with other texts you find chariots of fire etc...mentioned. Of course different eras of people would describe what they see in their own vernacular.
Yes a Gray Alien is not very different from a Wiccan Imp or a Catholic Demon... a God is not of this earth so by definition is a true ET, same goes for Angels who were alwats depected as part animal part human in the past. It is only our modern interpretation that makes cherubim cute little chubby babies and angels to be pretty men and women. The Christians have no FEMALE angels A fact that modern Christians tend to ignore
The "Glory" in Christianity is the Portal through which Jesus will return with that army of Angels The Abysss is a water portal both in Christian and Sumerian writings. The Qua'ran says Gog and Magog were sent through a portal whose gates were sealed at both ends (doesn't say WHO locked them up that I have found yet)
So yes hidden in plain site in all our myths, our religious texts, our scifi writers minds... all the same different names:
Abyss Abzul Abdu Abydos Portal Gateway Stargate
Flaming Chariot Valkyries in the Sky, UFO, Flying Saucer
Demon, Imp, Alien
QuoteMaybe in order to understand what is going on I need to look at the past to a greater extent.
Yes because the past you only need to deal with interpretation Today the hoaxers have so buried any good infornmation they don't need to pay disinfo agents :P
There is one main problem in all this
It is the REASON I started Pegasus in the first place.
There is so much information out there... it is IMPOSSIBLE to go through it all even with a dedicated team
The purpose of Pegasus was to gather a group of like minded people to research these topics and present the data in order so it makes sense
You can look at any ONE item that pops up... If you look at that item by itself, it can a lot of time be easily dismissed or debunked. This is what most skeptics do they count on this Attack the item ignore the connections
My 'claim to fame' as it were comes from the ability to collect all the small pieces and assemble the puzzle to see the big picture. If an item is false or plain BS it will not fit into the puzzle, There will always be some point that won't fit no matter how much you force it. These items usually trace to a single dead end source yet are cloned all over the net
But when you do get a piece that fits, then the problem starts In the process of verifying that piece it leads you to ever more pieces In the end you can get lost and lose the tree in the jungle.
This has happened many times with people that have volunteered They start down a path and get lost literally They become boggled and when they start getting to dot mil doors they suddenly realize "OMG this is real!" At this point many are scared off Not so much from the dot mil site but from their own realization that what they only though might be a possibility is now a cold hard fact
So the ONLY way to reseaerch is take ONE target and focus on it and follow the trail of crumbs
The reason Living Moon is such a jumble is because the data came in so much faster than I alone could process it. Jack Arneson passed away in October I didn't know till January yet I was chatting with him on FB before the holidays I still have over 800 emails from him with data not yet processed
JKROG08 was going to be our UFO guy He too passed away and now Karl12 has stepped into those shoes. While that info is all here in the forum, I have yet to find the time to move it to the website where people can see it
Russ Hamerly Boeing senior exec several hundred emails not processed
Get the picture?
And the other problem is NO NEW INFORMATION on UFO landings sightings etc that cannot be easily debunked or explained as critters, Si did the aliens just stop visiting right now? or was it all in our heads? :P
My research started with Ancient Aliens and over the years I saw the evidence pointing more towards Lost civilizations of Earth From the Rosicrucian and Tibetan thinking we are the 5th civilization The 1st was a race of giants. I still need to get all that posted I wish I had an assistant here
Wish I had the time to help you....my job keeps me busy even though I am retired from my main job...still working full time. Past civilizations fascinate me because they have had a profound influence on us!
Zorgon said, "Now here is the problem. If we are the 5th civilization, where is all the EVIDENCE? Surely something would have survived"?
For sure, if there is any evidence, it could be anywhere! But, with the Earth's surface covered about 70% water don't you imagine there could just be a lot of undiscovered "evidence" out there?? And that would be more the case, if much of what surface is covered by water was in earlier times "dry land!! We did just recently see here evidence of new discoveries of marble statues/civilization artifacts being brought up from under the surface waters.
It started with Ray Palmer! >:( ::)
Quote from: rdunk on February 14, 2015, 02:45:59 AM
For sure, if there is any evidence, it could be anywhere! But, with the Earth's surface covered about 70% water don't you imagine there could just be a lot of undiscovered "evidence" out there?
Most certainly. That was my point that we are pushing it further back in time Now I know some religions don't want to 'go there' but Goebeki Tepi was a very recent find And the detail of the carvings is PRE pottery PRE tools so SOMETHING is wrong It was also completely cleaned out and deliberately buried 9000 years ago. No sign of any inhabitants or worker buildings nothing just intricate carvings...
QuoteAnd that would be more the case, if much of what surface is covered by water was in earlier times "dry land!! We did just recently see here evidence of new discoveries of marble statues/civilization artifacts being brought up from under the surface waters.
Dwarka in India uncovered from the sea floor after the Tsunami in Sumatra 2004
Neopolis Lost Greek city that may have inspired Atlantis myth gives up secrets
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/oct/16/lost-greek-city-atlantis-myth
Heracleion Sunken city gives up its treasure: Ancient Egyptian metropolis lost for 1,200 years below Mediterranean sea set to go on display
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2336723/Ancient-Egyptian-city-lost-1-200-years-begins-reveal-secrets.html
Like I said TOO MUCH DATA :P
Quote from: zorgon on February 13, 2015, 07:22:50 AM
But these are not Alien space craft. They are plasma life forms native to earth. Many scientists are starting to realise this Just google Plasma Life Forms....
I would be more likely to consider them sylphs or electrical elementals, personally. Sounds crazy, perhaps; but as far as I'm concerned it's no more crazy than the idea of a being that is pure lightning or plasma, and it also fits into an established framework of belief and experience about such beings.
Quote15%ish are our black ops (I include ALL the triangles in this... they are a human develpoment)
I don't. Bashar's ships are triangular, and while not often, he has arranged scheduled sightings for people before.
QuoteI have a hunch that Venus was not the home world
This is another element where ceremonial magick can provide an explanation. All of the planets in our solar system have associated humanoid planetary intelligences. They just aren't corporeal, or physically based. If you know what you're doing, you can call them up and talk to them.
Quote1) ALL the government agencies around the world have released their UFO files online. That is PROOF POSITIVE that they did in fact study this phenomena all those years they denied it.
The reason why they want people to believe in ET life now, is because ET is going to be the next primary campaign antagonist after Islam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWKio0_jQgE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fm39tj27Vo
It is clear that they are biological. The universe is huge and really know very little, maybe NASA knows much more ....
Quote from: petrus4 on February 14, 2015, 05:51:54 AM
I would be more likely to consider them sylphs or electrical elementals, personally.
Well many UFO;ogists and scientists have come to the same conclusion that a lot of what we saw as ghosts, paranoral entities and electric elementals are simply plasma life forms. Main stream science has shown that plasma exhibits life like tendenacies and the Russians found that plasma in space forms a double helix In effect there is more evidence and hard data for the Critter hypothesis than Alien craft
As for the sylphs Those are different in my opinion Since they can be summoned and appear as Dragons more often than not I class sylphs as Nature Spirits in the realm of Elves Fairies and Dragons... I am sure these sylphs are responsible for many ancients gods :D
The sy;plhs have form they have eyes that look back at you... The plasma critters are glowing orbs.
I have a hughe collection on the website of the sylphs and other nature spirits but here is one looking at you... The photographer didn't notice till I pointed it out :D
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Eyes/Eyes_000.jpg)
HERE THERE BE DRAGONS(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--meyR5HHy--/18lqjlmvgqq3djpg.jpg)
On another forum many Moons ago a person by the name of DiverDown, after seeing my info, went out that same day to summon a dragon....
THIS is what appeared
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Eyes/Diverdown_2ikb19y.jpg)
For those who cannot see it instantly here is the closeup with a little contrast
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Eyes/Diverdown_2ikb19y_02.jpg)
Skeptics will say "Pareidolia!!!" and puff their chest with how smart they are :P but these are real They are THERE They can be summoned and even my uber skeptic wife came outside one day while my daughter and I were photographing one... she looked up and said "OMG that's a dragon!" :D
Well THIS one won international awards and there was no doubt to anyone seeing it what it was
(http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Eyes/MonumentRocks_KSa.jpg)
To me this cartoon represents the failed miserable boring life of NAYSAYERS :P
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10993495_644909982304439_9017755948134932950_n.jpg?oh=031b1e34437aa6bb4950ade554171af2&oe=5593C329&__gda__=1432356853_13d9fc2c1ecb6006d07d61e9a6adc8eb)
QuoteSounds crazy, perhaps; but as far as I'm concerned it's no more crazy than the idea of a being that is pure lightning or plasma, and it also fits into an established framework of belief and experience about such beings.
Ghosts etc have always been identified with a type of plasma - Exoplasma (Ectoplasm) so it is likely that the old "established framework of belief" is merely not in possession of all the facts. Ghost Busters used Plasma Weapons :P
In either case they are not Alien Space craft Jacque Vallee, Robert Bigelow, NIDS The Aviary group some of the many that were considering the plasma/ interdimensional viewpoint
QuoteI don't. Bashar's ships are triangular, and while not often, he has arranged scheduled sightings for people before.
Well call up this Bashar and arrange for a scheduled sighting. Maybe we can sell some seats to a real appearance and blow Greer out og the water :P Until then... the triangles are human ingenuity :D
QuoteThis is another element where ceremonial magick can provide an explanation. All of the planets in our solar system have associated humanoid planetary intelligences. They just aren't corporeal, or physically based. If you know what you're doing, you can call them up and talk to them.
OR as Lobsang Rampa and other Tibetans will tell you you could be talking to Mischievous Imps that tell you what you want to hear. This has happened so many times with Channelers getting promises only to be left holding the bag. You have NO WAY to verify that the entity you are speaking to isn't a trikster like LOKI
On Criminal minds they had a serial killer that was talking to God... Rossi looked at him and said "Does it make sense that God is telling you to kill? Could it not be the Deceiver?" At this the perp broke down and cried.... Christians believe that God speaks to certain people, they make them Saints but is someone said "I spoke to God yesterday.." The mock that person and call him Lunatic... Go figure :P
But again... you have no way to verify that the one you channeled is who or what they claim
QuoteThe reason why they want people to believe in ET life now, is because ET is going to be the next primary campaign antagonist after Islam.
The CIA has ALWAYS maintained that the UFO-Alien belief phenomena is a great cover story if anyone gets into their black op programs. This is in official CIA documents kept in public at the DTIC.MIL library and taught at the AF War College. Perhaps this is why they can say "UFO's pose no threat" and close the cases.
Will be interesting to see how they reverse that for a false flag alien invasion :P
Obama adviser John Podesta's biggest regret: Keeping America in dark about UFOs
http://news.yahoo.com/outgoing-obama-adviser-john-podesta-s-biggest-regret-of-2014--keeping-america-in-the-dark-about-ufos-234149498.html
"It's time to find out what the truth really is that's out there," he said. "We ought to do it, really, because it's right. We ought to do it, quite frankly, because the American people can handle the truth. And we ought to do it because it's the law."
Since when has any administration followed the law.....