Star child Skull- DNA tests
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One of the topics I like to research is the Elongated Skulls found now in many places. But this thread is not about them. I mention them because supposed DNA tests were done proving they were not human
So on FB i got into it with someone on the point that we NEVER see these DNA reports,,, and we rarely ever get the name of the labs and when we do it's always back to in house, not an independent lab.
So the star child skull was prought up
A: "AND always keep in mind the Star child skull."
B: "My jury is out... I won't get too excited until we get confirmation from more sources that these are truly "nonhuman." And yes, always keep in mind the Starchild skull DNA analysis, and the late Lloyd Pye."
ME: "Okay so the Star Child... I just now went to the Starchild Project page to look for that DNA report and at the top of the page I see THIS "
The implication was that DNA testing had already been done on this skull proving it was Alien...
So I went to the Project Star Child page. (I haven't really looked at this skull since I saw it life in 2007 San Jose UFO Conference.)
Well before I post it... regarding DNA testing. We all see it on TV shows how easy it is today. CSI forensic labs have it down to an art
It only takes a few days (when they re not busy) to run a test.
Paternity testing usually takes 2 business days from the time that all samples arrive at the laboratory
For detailed forensic tests we get this;
Six months!! But CSI does it in an hour! Why does DNA testing in the real world take so long?
Mostly, because of backlogs and reviews. A given DNA lab can only take in so much work at a time. The biggest limitations are staff, space, and machines. How long does it take to actually process a DNA case after it's been started?
A lab that can do it in 30 days is doing a great job. 60 days is acceptable. This still seems like a long time for one test, doesn't it? Except that it's not one test - it's several tests. And it's not one piece of evidence.
I checked costs here in Vegas
Legal Paternity DNA Tests $190 To $250/ New: Most Accurate 26 Marker Tests
A standard DNA tesy in Vegas runs from $79 to $2,000
You can BUILD a complete lab that can handle both Houston and Harris County cases DNA lab would cost at least $4.8 million
Okay so lets look at the progress on the Star Child DNA testing shall we?
1999, BOLD, British Columbia, Canada:
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The first DNA test conducted on the Starchild Skull was done at a lab that was not equipped to test 900 year old DNA, but as it was not possible to access an ancient DNA lab at the time, the Starchild Project hoped that we may get some useful result from a forensic DNA lab. After multiple contaminations, the BOLD lab recovered a tiny amount of nuclear DNA, 10% of the usual minimum amount of DNA required to give an accurate result. This DNA was from a human male Y chromosome. As no subsequent testing with more advanced equipment has been able to duplicate this result, and as the main difference between a forensic and ancient DNA testing lab is that forensic labs are not capable of removing as much contamination as an ancient DNA lab, the Starchild Project supports the belief of many experts that this result was not accurate, and was likely the result of contamination of the bone.
2003, Trace Genetics, California USA:
The first ancient DNA test done on the Starchild Skull, conducted using polymerase chain reaction (PCR) technology commonly used in forensic DNA analysis. This method is designed to only recover human DNA and ignore all other DNA in a sample. The test recovered a small amount of the Starchild Skull mitochondrial DNA (DNA passed down the maternal line, from the mother), demonstrating that part of the Skull's DNA matches that of a human. A control sample from the companion human skull easily yielded large amounts of both mitochondrial and nuclear DNA, which led to speculation that there was likely to be more DNA in the Starchild sample, but that the "human only primers" were not capable of extracting it. Trace Genetics advised the Starchild Project that new technology was being developed that would be able to analyze any DNA in the sample, irrespective of its species origins.
At the time, some speculated that this result may mean the Starchild Skull had a human mother and alien father, but subsequent tests have found unusual DNA from both parents. This means that it is almost certainly not a human-alien hybrid.
Full report here:
http://www.starchildproject.com/dna-testing/2003-trace-genetics-dna-report
2010-2011, Undisclosed Lab, Key Finding is DNA not previously seen on Earth:
A US based genetics lab (name withheld for security reasons) conducted preliminary testing on samples of the Starchild Skull using advanced DNA testing technology. The result is partial and needs to be reproduced, verified, and extended. Both mitochondrial DNA (from the mother) and nuclear DNA (from both parents) was recovered from the Starchild Skull for the first time.
This DNA was submitted to the US National Institutes of Health for comparison to all other DNA in their database. Some of the DNA was similar to that of a human. However, large amounts of it were not similar enough to anything in the extensive database to be matched to any known species on Earth. The database includes genetic code from many bacteria and other common contaminants. The fact that the DNA recovered from the Starchild could not be matched within the database shows that the strange DNA is unlikely to be the result of bacterial or other contamination.
If these results can be reproduced and verified, it will show that the Skull is a previously undiscovered humanoid species with DNA very different from human.
Full Report
2011 DNA Report in Laymans Terms
DNA PROOF THAT THE STARCHILD SKULL IS ALIEN: A Layman's Explanation by Lloyd Pye
http://www.starchildproject.com/dna-testing/2011-dna-report-in-laymans-terms
2012, Undisclosed Lab, Key Finding is FOXP2 fragment:
Preliminary testing recovered what appears to be a fragment of the Starchild Skull's FOXP2 gene. This fragment differs from the corresponding human gene fragment in 56 positions along the DNA strand. This gene is highly conserved between species and is essential to human development. In humans, it is linked to speech and cognitive function. This particular gene fragment is absolutely identical in every human and apes and has only ONE difference in monkeys, lending weight to the hypothesis that the Skull, with 56 differences, is not a human being. This finding, if proven, will raise many questions about how it developed and what abilities it may or may not have had. The results obtained need to be reproduced, verified, and extended.
Detailed Report
2012 FOXP2 DNA Report
For 13 years we at the Starchild Project have known the Starchild Skull came from a being that was not entirely human
http://www.starchildproject.com/dna-testing/2012-foxp2-dna-report
DNA Testing Summary
Current Status: Testing is currently on hold awaiting funding. You can support our genetic research by making a purchase from our website or by making a donation. The lab estimates that the work will cost approximately $250,000 per year for a minimum of two years. This is dramatically less than the minimum $3 Million previously estimated, and has been achieved through a combination of strenuous negotiation with the lab, and the natural reduction in the cost of the technology over time. We will post any updates as soon as new information is available.
Source
DNA Testing Summary
http://www.starchildproject.com/dna-testing#
Okay so they estimated it would cost $3 MILLON do do a test when you can buy an entire Lab for $4.8 Million?
I smell a RAT
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Starchild is inconclusive. But my feeling says there is something here.
Loyd Pey was not a stupid man. However he had is bluff to make his point. Sometimes concluding things to fast.
His lectures about bigfoot and his alternative view of our origins are highly interesting. IMO you cant just ignore that. (Maybe) not entirely correct though. 8)
So what to make of this? Every time money gets involved problems raise. Logic versus the real world versus people to far away to have a good opinion about it.
And now a rat! from you...
I stick to the elongated skulls. They are real! ;)
It does look like a scam Zorgon. There is an attempt to pseudo science me elsewhere on this forum on the same topic.
The obvious pseudo-science part of the claims is the claim that:
QuoteThis DNA was submitted to the US National Institutes of Health for comparison to all other DNA in their database. Some of the DNA was similar to that of a human. However, large amounts of it were not similar enough to anything in the extensive database to be matched to any known species on Earth.
The people behind the scam try to use the above information to imply that the skulls are ET. It is absurd to try to claim that DNA not on the database is extraterrestrial. Why? I'll explain.
QuoteIn spite of 250 years of taxonomic classification and over 1.2 million species already catalogued in a central database, our results suggest that some 86% of existing species on Earth and 91% of species in the ocean still await description.
http://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001127
So most species on Earth have only just been described. An even tinier fraction of species have been sequenced and there is variation within species so there are many DNA sequences that are not on biological databases. Bioinformatics is not a guide to whether a species is alien.
It is quite possible that this is a novel species. There is no evidence whatsoever that it is alien. It looks like a scam to me.
Quote from: Lunica on March 04, 2015, 01:00:16 PM
Starchild is inconclusive. But my feeling says there is something here.
Yes, a scam.
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His lectures about bigfoot and his alternative view of our origins are highly interesting. IMO you cant just ignore that.
That is irrelevant to the skulls.
QuoteI stick to the elongated skulls. They are real! ;)
Yes, the skulls are real. They look pretty standard mammalian skull though and most of the DNA looks human. Go figure. ::)
Quote from: Pimander on March 04, 2015, 01:29:26 PM
His lectures about bigfoot and his alternative view of our origins are highly interesting. IMO you cant just ignore that.
That is irrelevant to the skulls.
Of course it is not relevant to the skulls directly. It was relevant to the fact his lectures are highly interesting. But since Loyd Pey second name is "star chilld" its very interesting why he holded so to the alien starchild story.
Despite the fact it is after 13 years still inconclusive.
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Yes, the skulls are real. They look pretty standard mammalian skull though and most of the DNA looks human. Go figure.
Lol. I did go figure something. And "standard mammalian" was not the conclusion I had. Maybe "abnormal mammalian" would suit the skulls better... ;)
Quote from: Lunica on March 04, 2015, 02:06:57 PM
Lol. I did go figure something. And "standard mammalian" was not the conclusion I had. Maybe "abnormal mammalian" would suit the skulls better... ;)
I'd agree with the conclusion "unusual human" or possibly "novel hominid".
Quote from: Pimander on March 04, 2015, 02:29:36 PM
I'd agree with the conclusion "unusual human" or possibly "novel hominid".
Novel hominid. Nice defenition. :)
Quote from: zorgon on March 04, 2015, 05:58:49 AM
Star child Skull- DNA tests
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Looking at that star child skull and then the Alien in this video.....they sure look similar to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z2327rb7w4
I remember telling a friend, when I was about eight years old, that I felt like we originally came from somewhere "out there." There could be some truth to my feeling, or I could have just overdosed on sci-fi movies at the time. I figure that what we don't know, still surpasses what we do know. With the exception of teenagers. They know everything.
Shasta
Quote from: Shasta56 on March 05, 2015, 02:02:36 PM
I remember telling a friend, when I was about eight years old, that I felt like we originally came from somewhere "out there." There could be some truth to my feeling, or I could have just overdosed on sci-fi movies at the time. I figure that what we don't know, still surpasses what we do know. With the exception of teenagers. They know everything.
Shasta
lol, those teenagers 8)
My takeThere are humanoids (like neanderthaler) on earth for millions of years.
There are different humanoid species on earth for 1000 of years. Like Bigfoot (different species of them also)
(Part of?) our origins/ancesters come from mars. Our species, or another humanoid specie, have lived over there.
Most likely there have been interaction from species out of our solar system in the past and the current. Humanoid like, and other like (greys etc...)
One of the old species where giants, like 6/7 meters or 20/25 feet. They could have build the pyramids for instance.
I dont have DNA proof. ;)
I am older then 16 years old. :P
Most probably I am wrong in one of my assumptions. The real deal would be much more complicated 8)
And of course: The Starchilld. She/he/it does not exist ;D ;D
Quote from: micjer on March 05, 2015, 01:49:10 PM
Looking at that star child skull and then the Alien in this video.....they sure look similar to me.
The eye sockets are far smaller in the skull. The skull is also real whereas the alien video is very likely a fake.
Sounds like Those who have control of the skull are scheming. They're using it to garner donations. Thinking $10,000 would cover all the best of tests.
Quote from: Amaterasu on March 05, 2015, 07:25:55 PM
Sounds like Those who have control of the skull are scheming. They're using it to garner donations. Thinking $10,000 would cover all the best of tests.
If you already have a standard molecular biology lab and PCR equipment it could be done for significantly less than that. The point is it would not provide evidence for an ET origin anyway as DNA sequencing can't. We don't have ET DNA to prove it (officially anyway).
What if Alien DNA is not any difference than our DNA?
::)
The skull is real enough I have handled it back in 2007 so I know it is real bone, not a replica..
I am just tired of these 'artifacts' in the hands of people who are even more secretive than the government and usually have an agenda to make money
$250K for a DNA test? Really? No one is that stupid to fall for that surely?
ummm well